The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Joel Anderson Breaks Down the Diddy Trial, Kirk Cousins Complaints, James Harden vs. Jimmy Butler | 7.9

Episode Date: July 9, 2025

On today's episode of The Right Time, Joel Anderson of The Ringer joins Bomani Jones to discuss the Diddy Trial, Kirk Cousins and James Harden. The show starts off with Bo joking about Joel being a hater as always (0:58) before diving into the Diddy trial including how he can still be put in prison for 20+ years (9:36) and why he may not have as much money currently as people think (24:43). Moving on to sports, Bo and Joel react to Kirk Cousins' comments about the Atlanta Falcons deceiving him (42:49) and why Michael Penix Jr. sitting for most of the season was a good thing for him (46:03). The show rounds out with a debate centered around James Harden and if the Houston Rockets would have beaten the 2020 Miami Heat led by Jimmy Butler. (1:00:14) . . . Subscribe to Supercast for Ad-Free Episodes: https://righttime.supercast.com/ Subscribe to The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Spotify, Apple or wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok for all the best moments from the show. Download Full Podcast Here: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6N7fDvgNz2EPDIOm49aj7M?si=FCb5EzTyTYuIy9-fWs4rQA&nd=1&utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-right-time-with-bomani-jones/id982639043?utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Follow The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Social Media: http://lnk.to/therighttime Support the Show: Download the DraftKings Pick Six app NOW and use code BOMANI. Better payouts. Bigger wins. Only with Pick6 from DraftKings. The Crown is yours. Go to zbiotics.com/BOMANI to learn more and get 15% off your first order when you use BOMANI at checkout. Celebrate the progress you’ve already made. Visit ⁠BetterHelp.com/BOMANI⁠ today to get 10% off your first month. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original. My name is Beaumani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. It is that time of week where we have a hat.

I mean, a guest join us coming to us live from Ringer from D.C. One time America's fastest 10-year-old, Joe Anderson. What's going on? Well, I got to be a hater, man. Last time I saw you all was New York. Why do you got to be a hater, Joe? Why do you got to be a hater, Joe? Last time I saw you, I was in New York.

I thought we had a great time. You know, we've fellowshiped, had some good people in the room. Not all great people, but good people, but some good, mostly good people. And then here you go being like that. Man, I put a picture of myself on the internet this weekend, which I never do because I was wearing my fly suit I got from Vietnam.

And hey, somebody's laughing because he knows he immediately just showed up to hate. That's all he showed up to do. The thing is, is that the side of the building looked like a church. You know what I'm saying? So, so, so, so that means that, okay, okay. So it looked very much like new pastor. It was like, hey, I'm going to look like,

I'm Reverend Jones. I'm going to be your new pastor. I hope to see you the service on Sunday. You don't know the last time you went to a goddamn church. You don't know what a pastor looks like, number one. Number two, I was in a little bit of a trick bag because it's a wedding that they didn't want to put on the internet. You know what I'm saying?

And you know me? I fully respect not putting your shit on the internet, right? So, you know, got a picture of my brother. Nobody say all that. So then once Joel come in, hate and talk about past, and now everybody else, does everybody be waiting for any chance to get at me? They just be scared.

You know what I'm saying? And they're like, well, if a dude like Joel has room to hate, we all have room to hate. People respect that I'm not scared, you know, and I think that that opens up the fight. It was a nice suit. I mean, pastors wear nice suits. You're going to tell Raphael, Warnock, he ain't got a nice suit game?

See, it's funny. You said you wasn't scared. I think that you operate on the scared to speak, speak because you scared kind of programmed. You know what I'm saying? No way. It's cool. It's cool.

It's cool. It's cool. It was a very nice suit. I agreed with you everybody. But again, I mean, don't people want their pastor to look nice? That's what the past say. Don't you want your pastor to have nice things? And you know, and you know, they'd be throwing it at the pastor.

But I did realize, and it was actually a dilemma for me where I was like, I don't know. I'm afraid that I don't think about colors like that. But I know like the whole like red type. power tie stuff. My brain don't think that deep. But the other tie I had didn't work. I thought it would. And so I was like, cool, I'd go with this. And I figured my brother would say something to me if it was a matter of thing. But he was like, nah, but see, we don't go to church. So we don't think about these sorts of things. You know what I'm saying? But all you hypocritical heathens that have been every now and then, how you know what was you?

I went to, that's you. I went to Catholic school. So I know a little something about a suit, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I hear you don't know nothing about the past are wearing a suit. They got a uniform. Oh, that's true. That's fair. I mean, I went to church, you know, semi-regularly in my youth. I have a, I have- When last time you went to church?

I have multiple uncles who are pastors. When last time you went to church? I mean, so are we talking about just to go to church, not for a funeral or something like that? Yes, yes. Not to a church. Okay. Church. So I'll tell you a funny story.

My grandmother, God rest of the soul. I find it very interesting that you can't just answer the question. I asked you when you went to church. you were like, I got a funny story. She was 95 years old at the time. She asked me and my wife, she was like, so, well, what church do y'all go to out there in Palo Alto? And I could not think of one. And my wife, my beloved wife, Janais, says, Palo Alto Baptist.

And my grandmother, Paul, she says, oh, yeah, the Baptist do nice church. And I was like, yeah, so, you know, I don't, yeah, it probably has been a few years. You know, because, I mean, it's definitely one of those youthful. It clearly hasn't been a few years. you would remember the last time you went. I know the last time I went definitely had to be the year 2007 because the only time I can think that I was going to church is when I was dating that woman. Wow. Okay. Well, you know what? I went out. People will be shocked about this maybe. I don't know. Maybe they won't be. I went to Joel Osteen's church regularly for a little bit in 2005 when I was looking for anything.

You know what I said? I was looking for something. When you say you were looking for anything, which anything. I was looking for hope. I was in a I was in a what I considered. to be hope hope yeah hope not a not a not a woman named hope you know what i thought i'd look i thought she was going to church looking for hope yeah no silent you know lesser pee no quiet or p no no um i was going back and forth between people in houston when they found the praise and lakewood church and uh for a little bit i was having i was up the ruff time you know everybody you could be 27 years old things why didn't you go to the temple wasn't you trying to pledge muslim in the 90s? Well, I mean, it's funny you say that. But you know what? I did. I tried that a little bit,

but I, you know, I kind of outgrew that. I grew that phase in my life, which isn't to say that I don't have a lot of respect for some of the tenants of them. You wanted bacon again, didn't you? You wanted to go back to bacon, did you? Or did you never get that far down the road? You know what? I will say this. I have basically given up pork over the last 30-some odd years. Every night and again, people will sneak pork into my food, my mom. And I'll eat it. But in I won't trip about it, but I've given up pork. There's some of the other things. Okay.

So you didn't want to give up hope? Come on, man. You didn't want to give up hope? What's you doing, man? I mean, I think it's a reasonable point if you didn't want to give up hope. What's you doing, bro? What's you doing? If you didn't want to give up hope?

I think that's a big hold of. You saw Malcolm X's short. He was like, yo, he did not want to give up the Great White Hope in the Pigs Feet. Look, man. I just said hope. I didn't even put you in the bag. I'm trying to think by that time I, you know what, I think I moved on to the, I'm a, I'm a married man now. I don't even, it don't even matter. I know, I know. I know. And it's a good thing. And if you, and if you had given up hope, you wouldn't be married because she wasn't going to marry nobody in the nation. Hey, I'm a, I'm going to switch gears to save you. You know what I'm saying. You know, you need a little saving right now. I got you what you want to do. I want to say so real quick. Just a real quick shout out to my people in Curveville, Texas. Because people know, I'm, I'm, I'm my father's family. I'm pinning that. Pinning that. I'm going to get to it.

Let me get to it. Okay. Okay. This is why you let me host my own show. You know what I'm saying? Okay, my bad. Well, you let old boy come on here and ask you questions all the time, you know what I'm saying? So I can't do that?

That's because I let him produce. We talked about that in advance. Okay. All right. Thank you very much. I'll see. There come to Joel. Hey, you let somebody else do it.

Right? It all pop up right there. So for people who don't know, Joel Anderson hosted an award-winning season of Slow Burn when he worked at Slate and there the podcast series about the Tupac and Biggie situation. and therefore he is a foremost authority on Diddle. And Diddle was acquitted of many charges. Well, it was five charges. He got busted on two, but the three big ones,

Dill got acquitted on. Like Dave Chappelle, he is in enormous trouble. He is on a RICO by himself, which apparently a line that rang true with the jury because he managed to beat that one. I didn't pay that much attention to the actual trial, right? But I did notice all the salacious details were coming. out, but I didn't feel like they were making what seemed to be their biggest point.

And you tell me if I'm wrong here, but the biggest point seemed to be that they were trying to ledge that bad boy records or whatever his company is actually was simply a front for freak off LLC. Right. Like that's the whole idea of racketeering is that your business presents is one thing. The Jinko Olive Oil Company from the Godfather, right? You present your business is one thing when you're actually doing something else. And now that I look back on it, I think we got a little caught up at the time, but I'm like,

yeah, you know, that was a pretty ambitious legal attempt that they made there. I mean, who else did they, I mean, the thing is, they didn't bring anybody else up to sustain that, okay, what, I was running this other business. We were doing this instead of, you know, we were, you know, we had our hands in all these other businesses and doing all these other things. Like, that's not something that ever was sustained in court. And I heard one of the jurors came out and talked about that. And they were always, they walked in skeptical of that as a claim, like one of the alternate jurors has been talking in the last few days. And he said they walked in skeptical of that charge in and of itself.

And the prosecution never really proved that. And so that's one piece of it. But also, I think the thing is that, and this actually kind of surprised me, that same juror said that they actually got to watch some of the footage of these freakoffs. Yeah. He said it's very tame. A lot of people rubbing each other. and baby oil. It's not like you got, it wasn't like hardcore action or anything like that allegedly. And so that was another thing. They're like, well, this is a very tame bit of theater here. And so when you bring all that all together, it's like you didn't really have ditty with his fingers doing all this other stuff sort of trying to wash his money or doing anything else. And you don't, you have the actual footage of the stuff that it's allegedly so bad and it seems fairly tame. And maybe that's because, you know, we live in a world where you can see hardcore action pretty much at any time.

It didn't seem like the prosecution was able really, they overreached a little bit. And I think everybody has said that. I mean, they still got him. I mean, he still could face up to 20 years in prison. Oh, I didn't know he, I didn't know he'd get that much time. Oh, yeah. He could still get 20. He could still face 20 years.

But it's just in terms of like the big overarching charges, the racketeering and all that other stuff. Like that kind of fell by the way side. Yeah, the traffic. That didn't, that didn't hold water once. Yeah, I think it's a trick bag on these things where, and I understand people who they took the verdict as people don't believe the victims. And I didn't get that feeling from what I was checking out, right? It seemed to me to be a little bit more of a question of, but is this what you say it is in terms of the law? Right. And if I'm wrong, somebody can feel free to correct me because

I don't want to invalidate anybody's experience or anything like that. But I didn't, I did not take that as people don't believe that did he did the things that they said he did. I think they wound up with stuff where like you got text messages and stuff where an alleged victim seems to be organizing the event, then it's hard to convince 12 people that this is a Stockholm syndrome sort of thing, which seemed to me to be what they were trying to go for. Right. And I mean, I think that's the thing. It's like some people can take things, especially when it comes to like the law. You can take things too literally or you can just not be disabused of your priors. And so like, yeah, it's like difficult to explain to people in court that sometimes victims,

might fall in love with the people that abuse them, right? And they may want to do things to make them happy and to keep them, you know, to keep them docile so they free themselves of abuse or whatever. But that doesn't mean that they weren't abused. But in terms of the law, you can understand how that could be very complicated in convincing a jury of 12 people, eight of the men. You could understand how they might look at that and be like, well, I mean, he's clearly a bad person, a bad partner, an abusive partner, but that's not what he's on trial for, really. And that was interesting that his lawyers were like, yeah, I mean, he's a domestic abuser. He's a violent man. You are in deep doo-doo, but you start by specifying that. We're like, look, there's no point in lying about that. You saw it. Right. He'd be swangy.

Yeah, right. He's definitely, oh, yeah. I mean, that's the thing. And actually, both, this is because I think a lot of people, like, as we get to the end of this, like, whatever his sentencing is going to be is going to be. but sort of like the reimagining of the ditty image. Like if you look back 30 years ago, like nobody was really talking about Puffy as a violent or bad person, right? Like they were saying he was maybe a shady businessman or whatever.

He had not done right by his artist. But the idea that he was sort of a guy that, you know, was cruel and mean to people and everything else. Like even the first time that he popped up in the news with the city college party, ended up with nine people getting killed there. Like it was so like, oh, it was an accident. Like, how could I have known, you know, we had that party and, you know, unfortunately we didn't go by the whatever the standards were and people got hurt

and killed, but like it was a mistake. The shooting that involves Sean and J-Lo was like, oh, you know, that's not, you know, I wasn't really involved of that. I didn't fire the gun, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but nobody thought of him as a violent person. But like, when you think about the total, when you add up all these incidents over the years, it's like, oh, like this dude is actually a bad. that person though, right? I feel comfortable saying that. Like, he's not a good dude.

And so, yeah. I'm sorry. In line with that, there is a, the best example of this is Hammer, right? There is a joy, and I'm not saying, let me, let me get to what I am saying. I don't want anybody to aggregate this. So we'd be very clear about what I'm talking about. There is a certain joy that we get and talking about cats that you might not have known is a little big gangster with theirs. and MC Hammer is at the top of the list, right? We're like, Red Man talked about that. MC Search talked about how they had to sit him next to Michael Jackson at the American Music Awards because Hamel was trying to have him touched

in the only place that he could be safe was in the seat by Michael Jackson. And we were like, yo, Hammer, a gangster. People didn't know it now. But Katz in the game knew he was a gangster. And they kind of talk about it like with a chuckle. Like, oh, yeah, y'all ain't know. Y'all don't want him with Hammer. Nobody talks about Puff like that or even talk really about him like that then,

but they all knew. Like it wasn't like the cats in the game saw him as, hey, you need to leave him alone because you might have to fight. It seemed like, like Cam and Mace, when they talked about it on their show when it first came out. And Cam talks about how Mace did not walk him up to bad boy. And Mace is saying, you know, basically, I can't remember which one of them said it,

but the two of them are saying he wanted to take him by somebody who would do right by him, right? Like that tenor was there. But even then, nobody was like, man, I told y'all puff ain't nobody to mess with or nothing like that. that nobody's saying it. No one, that's not the, the tenor that it comes up when people talk about him. Yeah, it's interesting because Shug kind of like hinted at the fact, like, I know that there's

this perception of me of the big bad guy and that I'm the gangster or whatever, but like Puff does bad stuff too, right? But like nobody kind of thought of it in that way. And also the thing is, it's like the dudes that really give off gangster and hip hop never really talked about, like, Shug and 50 kind of like clown him, man, like this whole time. Like they were not really afraid of him. But for people that did not have it.

an equivalent amount of power influence in the game. Puffy was somebody that they had, like, man, like Mark Curry, man, like Mark Curry, who was on his label, right? Like, talking about the things that he did and the way that he treated people. Eugene Deal, who would talk to anybody, man, you know, who his former bodyguard, has talked about the ways that Puffy did and treated people, but it was like he was really good at taking advantage and hurting people who could not hurt him back. And so that's the thing, I think. What was the Mark Curry book type? Was it called Dance with the Devil? Dance with the Devil, yeah. It is worth a read.

Like, I read it. It goes off the rails at the very end of the book. But especially now, because I read it before all this kind of had gotten out there, it's a really interesting read because the point that he makes and that other people make is everybody that was on bad boy either ended up dead in jail or in church. Bro. I mean, just, I mean, Craig Matt Biggie. Yes.

Black Rob, who died strung out. I mean, just think about all. these folks, man. G. Depp went and walked to the police station and told him about a 10 or 15 year old murder just because the guilt was eating. Yeah, man. I mean, but man, people don't, I mean, people see Mace up there alongside Cameron and they may not, you know, they don't, they weren't there in 97 to 98. I mean, that dude was a huge star and he walked away from it all. I mean, that's how much of a toll being in Ditties, being under Dindy's employed did to him, man. I mean, Day 26, Danny became, like all these other folks, man,

like they were really scarred by having an affiliation with this dude. So this is, you know, there's not so much legal analysis to get in, right? Like it goes like, it's more about where it goes forward. Now, he need to watch out because the judge can do whatever it is they want to them at this point, right? Like, you know, is he probably going to get the 20? Maybe not. But there's nothing stopping from giving them, let's call it five. And five years in federal Penn at that man's age, he may,

might need to get up on his dean. You know what I'm saying? Like, they give him a little bit too long. He's going, you know, Salama like him, brother. Like, you're going to need to, you know, he's going to come out that motherfucker looking like Frederick Douglass with all that gray hair,

you know, and all that, you know, however it goes. But I have heard people, let's say he doesn't go to jail, right? Let's just throw it out there as a hypothetical. Let's say they give him time served. Yeah. And he walks out.

Mm-hmm. I have seen people make the argument that, and I think that there's a certain resignation and cynicism. It is the idea that he could do that. And then, no, there'll still be people that are staying next to him. I don't know about that. Like, I don't, I think that the idea of cancellation, people think of that in such absolute terms. And there will be some places that he can go. But he ain't coming back to where he used to be, right?

He's not just going, like, he's going to be like, remember, OJ got to quit it. And OJ thought he was just about to pull up on the white folks in Brentwood. like nothing ever happened and they were like, hey, hey. Not our bad, brother. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny. You said, OJ, because that's exactly who sort of comes to mind. And I mean, at this point, I mean, what are you going to stand next to Diddy to do? Right? Like, I mean, like, I mean, so in terms of, like, his influence and music, I mean, we're talking about the last time he was, this, you remember people when you were a kid, people talk about Barry Gordy? Right. And it was like, man, Barry Gore was a big deal in 1960, 1968.

I mean, that's Puffy to a lot of these kids today. So even if he gets welcome back into polite society. Hold on, no. If Barry Gordy pull up to the Source Awards, they was going to let Barry Gordy into the Source Awards. That's fair point. That's fair point, yeah. And let us be very clear.

He, Puffy, is not in OT, Barry Gordy. Like, let's get to the bottom of this. right but I'm not even thinking about the kids I'm thinking about his contemporary so let's take it to a different event right okay you think he's gonna get to come back to the rock nation brunch oh that's not no way I mean jZ is like pretty I mean people that have not done anything remotely close to what puffy has been alleged to have done so yeah no way he's getting invited to that you also got to remember this part right like when it comes down to the application of his re-entry into whatever form of society that you wish to discuss, there is all the

terribleness that he engaged in, right? Certainly. There's also the story that he would be watching the freak-offs in another room, right? And so the freak-offs would come to their conclusion, and he would have Cassie take some of the fluids and bring them to him so that he could rub them on his nipples in the other room. And I'm telling you right now, they ain't letting that back into crew. Like, I think it is a fair point to make that men are far too tolerant of violence against women, right?

They don't stand up on these things. And I can see why people would think, oh, they're going to let the cat back in. But that man was exposed as a deviant in ways that I think. think will make it very, very difficult for him to come anywhere else. What did you say? Come to where? You didn't have to do that. Okay.

Anyway, so I agree that that kind of, but the thing is, man, a lot of these cats kind of seem to know, right? Like maybe they didn't know to the extent of that. I don't think they knew that one. Right? Because, I mean, the thing, so you've seen that video of, because 50% points this out all the time. There's this video. It's puffy at the table. It's like Noriega and some other dudes and Fabulous is there. And Fabulous is talking to Diddy is like, hey man, so when we're going

party, when we're going to hang out. And if you could just see Fabless like tense up, get real, you know, like, yeah, man, I'll hug out with you for one of my birthday. He's like, no, man, I'm talking about when you go party with me. When you go party with me? And like Fab is like, all tits up. And I was like, I kind of feel like these, the rumors of this stuff has always been out there. And you know what I mean? So like I, well, hold on. Well, that raises another question. Yeah. How many cats was really who were not under his employ was out there running with him in the first place? That's a great point. Right. Like, like, like who's after big died? Who was Jay Z to his dame dash or

whatever? I mean, I guess maybe after shine like hanging out with Puffy, you might go to jail. Right. Yeah. But like he, there wasn't no freaking frack out here just out here like cats, I guess would just go into the parties? Yeah, I think that's the thing. I mean, a lot of people went to those parties. And I mean, it's funny because the only people that I've ever, that I've seen say, hey, I want to go to a freak off again, a chopper. You remember chopper from the band? Oh, yeah, I do remember chopper. Yeah, chopper was like, I would love to go to a freak off again, you know. Now, maybe he wasn't there for all of the, you know, maybe he missed that part. He wasn't in that room where that exchange was going on with Cassie or whatever. But a lot of these cats that are in the business,

I kind of feel like they, some of them were in those rooms already and they just didn't want to talk about it. So, but to your point, he ain't never going to get welcome to the Grammys again. He ain't never, you know, whatever this new 106 and Park are going to be or whatever, he ain't going to get invited on that. Like maybe, but the thing is, you can kind of carve out a lane for yourself if you're shameless enough on the internet. Like anybody can just kind of start up their own thing. And people will want to hear, I do think people will want to hear for him. And there are enough people that hate women and resent this dude, this powerful black man being held to account. I think that depending on how Puff wants to play it, there may be an audience for him.

It won't be what it was, but it could be something. But I think he has one problem. He's not very interesting. Remember that time he said something interesting? Man, that's a good question. Man. You know, so like, for example, and obviously I'm not saying they are similar in the context which we're discussing. But like that 50 cent is an interesting guy who says interesting things.

He's very smart, dude. He could tell you you're a smart guy too. Yes. Yes. Shug Knight even used to say somewhat interesting things, but I ain't listening to his podcast from the jail phone. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm not doing that.

Like so I guess you're right, but I don't know. I think Diddy. Okay. So let's think about it this way, right? After what happened with Rihanna, Chris Brown immediately tried to like roll into the I'm still a fresh-faced kid, right? He's showing up doing interviews, looking like Orvore Red and Bacher, like, all that to try to sell.

And then we're like, partner, not working. And so he turned into the Chris Brown that he is now. He got on his black mombu. Yeah, yeah, when a rich brother wants you and your man can't do nothing for you, right? Like, he became that guy. I don't think that Diddy can slash will make that turn, which is kind of what you have to do to lean into the idea that you're talking about. What Diddy aspires to be.

is completely different. Like I think Chris Brown deep down in his heart always wanted to be like a gangster type dude in L.A. Did he when everybody, like when he was putting his people in, uh, in Tim's and all that stuff, he was putting himself in suits. Right. Right. Right?

Like he and Jay Z aspired to be something else and wanted to go to that place. So like when people like, let's just say he gets top serve and he gets back up, they're like, nothing happened to him. No, don't you worry. He's feeling some pain. It ain't the pain that in our carceral society that we think you're supposed to have, but 80 ain't got no money, as I recall. Right.

I mean, that's the other thing. Like a lot of those brand sponsorships and things like that. Like, it ain't like he owned that tequila company. Like, he was just the face of it. Yeah. Right. And so, yeah, I don't, I'll be curious to know how he's able to make money like going forward. Like that I don't think he's going to be broke.

But like, you know how Dame Dash is kind of like, well. Hold on. Hold on. But he is broke. Who? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't, like, didn't he, or did he, he stacked up all that money. What was it for bail or whatever? But remember, his money was not great.

Right. It's not as, when this came up. It's not what people think it is. And he's going to be further. So, yes, what will did he do? That's the thing, though, bro. Like, he really cares about money, though. I mean, so you did talk about the point.

He wanted to be seen as a businessman, but all of it was an end to getting paid. and like money was really important to him. And I feel like if that's an ethos, and this is something the judge even said, like, he comes up here and he's still not, like he was reaching out the witnesses while he was detained, like he was breaking the law while he was under investigation doing stuff.

So like he's got some sort of an edge. He still likes that sort of life. And so I'm just wondering somebody that is that addicted to the lifestyle, somebody that is only known comfort for like the last 30 years of his life, I feel like that kind of cat will be willing to maneuver to do whatever it takes to still have some sort of income company. And I just don't know what that is. Yeah, I. It ain't like white people want to see,

diddy. You know what I mean? Right. We'll see. He don't mean none to them. Right. So that's just the thing. And to be clear, I think this is something that gets lost and it is somewhat fascinating to me. White people don't stick with their black favorites past. Like, it's just some shit they do when they teenagers. Like there's some exceptions, certainly. But the people, who could sell 10 million copies. So MC Hammer as a great example. MC Hammer was selling records like Insink was selling records.

Like Justin Timberlake was selling records. And no matter how much clowning people did, people love those records, right? MC Hammer came doing an arena tour around America. And look, he got three albums, three albums and more worth a hits. He could put together, it wasn't my jam, but I saw y'all wearing them pants.

You know what I'm saying? I went to the MC Hammer concert in 1990, man. You know, it was dumb. But MC Hammer play half-time at basketball games. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, they don't come with us on this. There are a couple of exceptions, maybe,

but, like, it doesn't, it isn't a lasting thing for white people with their black acts. And so somebody like puppy, so when it's time to do the Bad Boy reunion tour like they did or whatever, and Bad Boy was a big, giant deal in all those people, so lots of records, that is a BETT Awards. affair. Man, yeah, that's real, man. Because I'm trying to think, I mean, man, you know what the right

level of fame I thought about this, because my wife is a huge fan of his and I've had to go to his concerts is like Maxwell. You know what I mean? Like Maxwell can always go. He always got his fans. He can go someplace and play and like he, you know. He can play a Civic Center. He can play a Civic Center. He can play a concert hall. And by the way, I just saw he parlayed his fame into a dream. Did you see that? Uh-uh, what? He pulled up somewhere with Janet Jackson. Did he really? Did he? Yes he did he. Yes, he did. Okay. All right, did he? Man, I like that. I mean, I didn't, that's... Sometimes it takes 30 years to make you happy. You know what I'm saying? That's an interesting combination, but good for him, man, living out that dream.

And you know what happened. You know what happened. It took a long time, but he saw it with Germain DuPree and he was like, hey, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Like Chris Rock had that routine to see a Janet Jackson with Jermaine Dupree was like finding out of sale the day after. I always go back to is the wood. Oh, boy, it was like, you look that Nick of Terry bone and I know I look better than him. That is such a like horrible way to look at things. But men and women both do that. Oh, absolutely. It's like, man, I had a chance this whole time. Brother, brother, Jumain Dupree had Janet Jackson walk around with a belly button ring that said J.D.'s girl.

Yeah, man. That's something out of J.D.'s revenge. Are you serious? He's five foot three. Nobody saw it, man. I mean, it's the black version of Julia Robertson, Lyle Lovett, man. That is, that is, but Lyle Lovic could sing. Yeah, right.

Right? Like, that was, I've told you what my thought, what Jermudeau pre-understood it, though, was he understood being a child star. He understood growing up in the industry, right? And so that was always my take on what his Janet Jackson angle was. but at the same time, everybody's got a chance.

Or like who she might like, it might be anybody. It won't be everybody, but it might be anybody. There's only one way to find out and normally security is going to stop it from happening. Like the Alisa Dik's story

about when he pulled up our little kid and said, Biggie Dead, what we do it? What? I'm not heard of it. You haven't seen that one? No. Alisa Dink said he was super drunk one night at a club and he saw a little Kim and he had the biggest crush on Lil Kim. And look, if you describe how you feel about Lil Kim as a crush, you are a very particular type of person. Right?

Not to say that if you are attracted to Lil' Kim, that there's anything wrong with you, right with you, whatever. But if you were like, I had the biggest crush on Lil' Kim, you are a certain kind of dude, right? So he said he maneuvered around security somehow, pulled up all it was like, big and dead, what we do. Wow. Did it work? Oh, okay, my bad. Well, I don't know, man. She got a different, you know what I'm saying?

It's a different kind of. I have to say this, though. It's an icebreaker. Look, man, get, some women will just, look, you just never know. One person I think about is Hallie Berry, for instance. Because, first of all, Cameron talked about trying to spit out of one time when he was coming up as a rapper. And it was just like, it felt like she.

talked to him, but like, she had Lorenz Tate in the car. But did, so you ever heard that line from the Nas song, you know, Halliberry blew a kiss at the Barber Strice in a concert? And I'm just like, Hallibary ain't blown no kiss at Nause. You know what I'm saying? Hallibar is a Hollywood act. She's a celebrity. I'm not thinking, I'm like, Noss is famous to me, but is he famous to her? But they asked her and she was like, oh yeah, I did blow a kiss and nod at the Barber Strice and concert. I was like, damn, man. Brother, Megan Good hit on me on a television show one time. Like, you never know, dog.

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but I was just thinking about saying. I was not going to say. Okay. No, no, I'm not going to say. All I'm going to say is it was connected to our previous topic, and it made me start thinking about what was my favorite song by KRS One. Oh, man. Come on, Doug.

Come on, man. Come on, bro. Love's going to get you as in jail, boy. I mean, man. It's exactly like they don't know. You got to know what I'm saying. Hey, man. Right fast.

I'm going to tell the great KROs one story and they get in the sport. So, you are, right. familiar with the time that KRS 1 ran up on PM Dawn at a I forget what club it was. I think it was the tunnel in New York. I've heard about this. Yes. Okay. So this is a legendary story for you youngsters. Hip-hop was a different thing, right? And so KRS1 was doing a show. I mean, PM Dawn, which was kind of like proto Drake in some ways, right? Like a little singy rapy. I'm trying to think of what they would be. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Like alternative rap is kind of where they were. Yeah, yeah. It was kind of in between, right? So anyway, Prince B, the Eternal, did an interview or something.

I can't remember where he said this. But he said, if K.R.1, K.S.1 is a teacher. He is a teacher of what, which is something that KRS1 took personally. Okay. So. Understandably. PM Dawn was playing a show at whatever. I think it was the tunnel in New York City.

Buggy Down Productions. Storms the Club. Bum brushes. I don't know if they bum brush the door or they got in because they were boogeed out productions. But anyway, bum rest the spot, ran up on stage, through PM Dawn off, right? And so, of course, as this is going on, there is chaos and people are running out of the club. There are two details that are fast, that's hilarious to me because Kit Capri tells the story, right? Detail one, it was not a PM Dawn show. PM Dawn was opening for Super Cat. Oh, man. And so Supercat had to do

the show for an empty club because KRS 1 cleared it out. Number two, which is by far the best part of this story. After running PM Dawn offstage, BDP also took over the DJ boot and KRS

1 stood on stage as one of his partners put South Bronx on the turn tank. I cannot imagine how good it felt to toss somebody off stage while your theme song plays after you have vanquished your foe. They have taken, I mean, they took over the tunnel, man. That's beautiful, man.

I bet he'd think about that all the time, too. He was like, man, you remember when we ran up on them dudes in the tunnel, done? Right. They probably remember their name. He's like, who was that again? Have you, I don't know if you remember the book, The Ego Trip, Bookeraplist. Rest of Peace of Sasha Jenkins, by the way. But if you have never seen it, check it out.

This book came out about 25, 30 years ago. but it's just a collection of fascinating list. And one of them is the 10 most arrogant things that KRS1 has ever said. And the best, well, one, he said that, like, hip hop was like his pet. It was like a little dog that just followed him around. Right. But the best one is he said about rap that, you know, in the sky and the solar system, there are many stars.

I am the son. I love that. That's like the old Walt Harris line. People don't remember Walt Harris who played cornerback at Mississippi State. And it was just like water covers like three-fourths of the earth's surface. Yeah.

I cover the rest of it. I cover the rest. I don't say that. Well, yeah, well, the first one I heard it said about was Diaz Sanders. He just decided to appropriate it for himself.

But no, I am the son. And KRS won. I still say he's the greatest rapper of all. all the time and my argument is very simple. Get rid of the beats. Get rid of everything else. No microphone even. Stand two dudes up in front of each other and say rap. Yeah. He's winning every single time. You think he would do that against Black Thought? He's winning every single time. He has the most commanding presence that anybody, I'm saying, there's nothing else there, right? You don't even have a

microphone. You just got that booming ass voice. Man, that's a, man. Yeah. I mean, you just also just the energy he gives the radiates off of him. It's like it's infectious. Yeah. Like people it's hard to, because emcees just aren't quite like that anymore. And

like you could just see him walk into a room and the energy shift. So you can dress them up in so much other stuff. Right? Yeah. But no, Chris. Chris, Chris, Chris that guy. The music is hard to play and make somebody younger understand. what the big deal is, right?

Like, I think that's the case with a lot of 80 stuff, even though that stuff really knocks, but it's like it's, the paradigm is so different. I think it's difficult to explain to people what exactly it is that they got in front of them. But yeah, you stay, you go see that dude all by himself,

and I guarantee you, you will, uh, you will get it. I would, I would go watch him lecture. I bet he does lectures too. Yes. He likes that stuff.

So like, I bet he's an interesting. It's a guy that, I really, I want to, man, I wish I ran like, a TV network or something, so I could just interview all my old favorite black celebrities, man, so I could just make them talking about stuff. Anyway, man, get you a podcast.

You got to get you a different kind of podcast. You know what you need to be? You need to be an athlete. They get them all. Oh, they can have anybody on, man. It's not just they can get them on. They can get them on and then get people to listen because I can get them on at a point. But I'm not, I can get as much of my base to come over there, right? Like, they can do it in a different way. I always find that to be really interesting because sometimes I'm like, them in those I can't I'm trying to think of like I'm I'm making a podcast for me when I say that but like who do you want to hear that you want to talk to so bad that like you that you would stop what you doing and go listen to it well part of it also oh wow it's a good question like I think

part of it in terms of the production on it is that you have to be I don't even know if it worked truly for like a Mark Marron or something like that where your audience doesn't care who you're interviewing they'll just go because you're there right that's not that's that's not that's not really how it works like I've told people when we started change the way we did interviews was like oh Joel does better numbers than big crit like you know what I mean you know I told Joel that too because I knew he would love it at you know I don't take because I'm a big fan of big crit man so yeah that's the homie that's the homie but you know I know you well enough to know what work for you um speaking of working

have you seen this story it has nothing to do with working that was a horrible second um the boy Kurt Cud's Apparently on the quarterback show talks about how he felt misled by the Falcons. Because the Falcons went and drafted Michael Pennix after they signed him. And that he felt like if he knew that they was going to draft Michael Pennix, he would have stayed in Minnesota. Now, Joel, I feel like some of the poor logic of that is if he had stayed in Minnesota, they would have drafted JJ McCarthy. Like, I don't think this movie goes any differently for him necessarily.

But this was my thought. And this is what I want to know if you had the same thought as me. because I get on one hand why he would feel that way, but he had what I call the Drew Breeze option. How about you win your job? How about you play so well that they can't put the other guy in the game? Man, but I mean, you know, I hear you on that, but you know how hard that is in the NFL, man?

I mean, you know what I mean? It's kind of like your argument that like if they want to fire you, they can find a reason to fire you, they can find a reason to play that rookie quarterback. especially if you Kirk Cousins. Right. But I would contend on the other end, they did not put their rookie quarterback in there until they really had no other choice.

Right. Right. Like they gave it time. If he, you know, granted, he was coming off the Achilles, but if he played well enough to keep his job, he would have kept his job at the very least in that year. And number two, you're keeping your bread. Yeah. I mean, that's what the money is for.

Right. That is what the money is for. I said this from the very beginning. when they drafted him. I don't know how good Michael Pennix is going to be. Okay? But let's say you thought that he was Patrick Mahomes. You know, Patrick Mahomes went with the number 10 picking the draft, right?

Like, we're in that zone, right? Let's just say you thought he was him. I'm not saying he's him. But let's say you were super wild about him or in some fashion as the GM of the Falcons. You do not pass on. I see our quarterback of the future because we got some Kirk in the refrigerator at home. I mean, bro, I mean, that's the thing. Like, if he's as good, if you're going to take a quarterback that early in the first round,

like you've got to think he's going to be good. And nothing should get in the way of him eventually getting on the field. Unless, again, unless you've got, you know, you go out there. And all I'm saying is go out there and ball. Like, you have the option of going out there and playing well. Kirk Cousin has been enough quarterback competitions and played enough ball to know. that that ain't, you know. No, no, no, no.

I think it may be, maybe this is one of those that it's informed by his own experience. But at the same time, he got the job over Robert Griffin, right? And by the way, that second time he got it was not the first time he really got the chance. He was giving chances and it didn't work or whatever. I'm just saying, you can win the job by playing well and he did not play well.

And it's interesting that you say it this way because in spite of the things that I've said, I remember when Michael Pennix got drafted and I was mad. I was mad for Michael Penix. I'm like, the brother, boy already 34 years old, like, why should he have to wait? I just didn't want him to have to sit any more time. I thought that's

like when you're like, okay, that's why I hate the draft because that's not fair to a young guy's career. Oh, no, no. I thought, I disagreed. I thought that was perfect for him. He clearly needed the time because he wasn't really ready to play when they got him out there. He may be a hundred years old, but he was not ready to play.

Yeah, I just was like, look, man, motherfucker almost ready for it. He's pension age. Yeah, I hear. Look here. Look here. Look here. I think better for him is to make money without getting hit. That's the thing.

The way that I think about it, and maybe this is just like, you only get so many falls in your life as a football player. Like, if you watch a fall go by, that's a football in your life, you will never get back. Like, and sitting on the bench is sort of like a form of death for an athlete, man. You know what I mean? If you're not going to play, you know, like, you only get so many years. And so I was like, well, man, he's going to have to sit. out this year of Kirk Cousins probably

and then, you know, maybe the next year of Kirk Cousins really good because I got to pay him all this money. But the thing that I did not think about through all this, I'm like, oh, but that's Kirk Cousins though. Like, you know what I'm saying? That's Kirk Cousins. I was like, oh, okay, he don't play eventually. My bad.

Yeah, I don't, I don't, I've not seen any argument that says that playing early is better for the long term, healthier career. To be fair, I don't see, I don't know how many arguments there are that not playing early is good for your long term for either. Like, I think it's a trick bag, but, I think that so much goes into being an NFL quarterback that having one year where all you have to do is study and watch what's going on and learn with all the rhythms and machinations are being a quarterback. I think that's probably good. Like, I think he was better off not playing than he was playing.

I mean, for everybody but Kirk Cousins, it seemed it worked out. Like, that was an ideal situation. I got a question for you. You think her cousin is going to be good enough to start for anybody this year? That, like, if he had gone somewhere else playing like he played, because after the middle of the year, he didn't have it. It started off early, and my brothers and sisters in Atlanta were embarrassing themselves. Remember that Kirk-O-Chains and all of that stuff?

Like, you all were making fools of yourselves. Making fools of yourselves and the rest of us. It was terrible, right? My culture is not a costume, you know? No. And it was putting it all for them. I was just like, you got to be kidding me. But anyway, that man is, what, 36 years old or something like that?

Coming off in Achilles' tear? Come on, man, it's a rap for that. Well, I just kind of like, I mean, again, who am I to tell somebody to retire? Right? Like, I mean, again, as I've said, you only get so many falls. You only get so many Sundays. But, like, what else? You know, if you just like being in the locker room, bro, which I totally understand,

he can do that. But if he's, like, if his hope is to play, like, he may not even want that because I would feel like he would get hurt. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like like he no longer can get away from the rush. He's not good. I mean, like, the only thing left for him is to get, to get carried off the field. Right.

Look, Alex Smith kept playing. Man, I just. Hashtag never forget. I mean, man, look, man, I mean, the thing is, you know, you learn pretty quickly when you move up levels and football. I was like, man, some people would die for this shit, man. You know what I mean? Some people really, they really need this or they really want this in a way

that it's beyond sort of like my, you know, my ability to think about it. And so like, when you get to that level and, I mean, Kirk Cousness, man, I mean, he's had his success. So I totally get like why he would want to keep doing it. But I also would just be like, hey, man, you made a lot of money, bro. Why don't you just like, you know, be an assistant coach or something? Yeah, man, before we get out of here, because I don't want you to feel like I was silencing you, you and I were talking about yesterday.

And you mentioned the fact that your people are from down there around Curbville, Texas, where the flooding has taken place. What's it been for you? Yeah, well, so actually, yeah, my family, like, literally, like, we were right in Currville. I would go there, you know, several times a year growing up until I was, you know, 12 when my great grandmother passed. That was, she was sort of the matriarch. And so, man, yeah, it's, so I have vague memories of the Guadalupe flood in Currville in 87.

Like, I, like, just, like, I have, like, just, you know, just a few shots in my head of, like, us sitting around the TV and watching weather reports at that time. But yeah, man, first of all, like, obviously my heart goes out to all those folks. It's devastating to see that. And it's just like, because man, it's just such a, it's just like from a land that Tom forgot. Like, it's just the hill country, if you've not been to that part of Texas, it's kind of hard to believe that it's in Texas. But it is also very of Texas. And like, I mean, it's a very like, I mean, it's a politically confusing area. Like, I mean, you know, like, I mean, like right now, you know, Texas is sort of the grip of like Republican

mania. But for many times, it was a very sort of liberal and progressive place. My father, who was born and went to school in Hot Springs, Arkansas, when he would go visit his grandmother in Currville, Texas, the coaches at Curville-Tivey high school, they were integrated. Curville-Tivey was integrated at that time. And they asked him, hey, man, you want to come on down here, transfer and play for the Tyvee? And he was like, I'm going to go back. And, you know, he knew his people back up in Arkansas. So it's just a very unique, very different place. My great-grandmother was friends with the iconic jeweler James Avery. My grandmother was just a black woman who owned a bar on the black side of town. You know what I mean? But like it's just

like in that way that like it was a very small, very close-knit. My, my beloved cousin, man, I'm going to get emotional here. My cousin Michelle, man, who helped me run through those streets in Doyle, the Doyle side of town in Curville and help me get Kool-A, cool cups and all that good stuff, man. Like, she, I think what people would probably say today is that, like, she had down syndrome. But, like, back then it was just like, oh, Michelle is slow. Anyway, she passed a couple years ago. And she just kind of, like, lived off the generosity of the people at her church, man.

Like, she never, they took care of her before she passed. And, you know, it's just, yeah, man, I just like, so I, that part of small town America sort of makes me emotional to see that that area got washed away. and I really hope that it gets built back up because there's just not a lot of places like that anymore. And I wish it was something that I could give my kids that I could give them the experience I had in Curvill. And with any luck, maybe someday I can.

And two things that strike me with the stories. One, just kind of the, and maybe it's because it's so easily or readily associated with, like, biblical stuff, but like the idea of flooding. Yeah, man. Right, like just watching, like my brother and sister lived in Iowa. We remember about 30 years ago when the Mississippi River flooded.

And like I remember my sister's car got covered, like checked out underwater. Right. And it was almost like a gradual kind of process. Like it just rained it rained and rained. And then one day you look out there and your car is underwater. But there's just something like crate. Like the power of water is one thing. Water that ain't supposed to be there.

Man, yeah, man. Is another, right? The thing they hit me when you said hopefully they build it back up. And that hopefully is important because there is no promise of guarantee. when something goes away that people find it economically viable to bring it back. Like, especially in an area that's small where you don't have, like, the advantages of urbanization to guarantee that it proves to be profitable for people. Well, look, bro, I mean, already in Texas, insurance companies are sort of pulling back on these homes.

They're saying, that's a flood risk. This is a storm risk, and they're not either meeting their obligations or they stop issuing policies for these homes in the first place. I mean, are we sure that people are going to issue policies for them homes and Curvill again, you know, the way that these, you know, climate, these climate events keep happening. So, yeah, I don't, I don't think it's a given at all that, like, this ain't New Orleans. You know what I mean? Like, that wasn't a given either. Right. Absolutely. Absolutely. And so there's no reason that we have to have people living in Currville, but I hope that we can. But it's, yeah, it's just, it's just shocking. I mean, I saw the videos of the water rising like that, man. And I was just like, like, bro, like, over 100 people have died. Like, like, that's, like, over 100 people have died. Like, like, that's. Like, What is a shocking number of people to die in what event, man? It took that that camp is the one that, you know, that, that drives it like really home. And then the idea that like people floating on the river was supposed to be like a system,

basically, that you kind of like shout it out down river that the water's coming, which seems to me it may have worked the whole way, but that sure sounds primitive. Yeah, very, you know. It's insufficient. Yeah, from where I am. And so it was just like, man, this is a, it, it feels. And I can't tell if it's just because we have so much more access to more news, but it just feels like a natural disaster is around the corner at every turn.

And now, look, man, Texas has decided to hitch its wagon to this notion of individualism and you're on your own. That state government ain't going to help you. And this federal government probably ain't going to help you either. And that's the next level of tragedy. I don't care. I don't really care who you vote for. That is a clear ethos that is reflected by the laws in that place in particular and the laws that come up, you know, and the people who make decisions above them. That's just the bottom line. They are probably on their own. Right. Well, so, you know, I had to make this decision a few months ago about like if I was going to move to Texas, if I was going to move to Maryland. Texas is great if you don't need nothing. If you don't need no services, if you don't care about public services, if you don't need schools, if you don't need public transit and all any of that stuff, Texas will probably be fine for you.

But God forbid you need something, man. Like, if you lose your job and you want your child to have health insurance. Like that stupid-ass power grid, that's what keep me away. Bro, man, look, man, my mama and my grandmother, who was alive at the time, was sitting in their house freezing. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, why would I want to move my family? Why would I want to put my new family through that?

You know what I mean? So. Shout out to El Paso, who was like, nah. We're good over here. We'll just hollet these people right next door. They were like, we would rather have some of this Mexican insurer, Mexican electricity. La Luce. El Poir, la Ectrisida.

Oh, boy, I see your lesson is coming along. Okay. Tell you, man. Hey, look, man. Like, la, uh, El Poder in Mexico is more secure that electricity, electricity in Texas in particular,

like this. And for those you who don't know, America has three power grid. Right. The east part of the country, the west part of the country, and Texas. In Texas. Texas is the people that have their own generator,

except when you got your own generator, it's different because there's also electricity on top of it. Texas just got that generator. I just, I mean, just think about when you move in someplace. Do you want to have to have a generator? You know what I mean? I was like, do I want to have to buy a generator?

Is this something that I actually want to have a part of my life? No, not really, bro. Not really. I associate having your old generator. That's up there with the deep freeze in the bat to keep your deer. You know what I'm saying? Like, that is a country move. I say that with no judgment.

But I got my own generator. You also have a satellite dish because the cable bed don't come out to where you stay. Yeah, man. I mean, that's some. that's some living that everybody's not really cut out for. And I know some people that have moved down there and moved down there from California. And again, I don't want to hate on Texas.

I love Texas. I'm a, you know, I mean, I want it to be better. But people that go down there, man, and they're just like, bro, I, would it, you know, it's God forbid you lose your job or something like that. It ain't quite the same thing. So, yeah, man, I hope that they build it back. And I know that they've, you know,

the state officials and everybody else have promised to do what they can, but like let's just check back on that in a year you know what i know yeah man another point we'll get you back talk a bit about uh the houston rockets they got kevin durant um you know oh you you ready you already there you already man you know just i've been really fortunate in my life man when i grew up when i grew up moses malone was on the team you know like the rockets always just keep a good player you know i mean like they've never been really bad in my life and that just i just i appreciate them not being bad. They was just bad, a little while ago.

Just for a little bit, but it was in service of something and letting out look at us. Yeah, but now the biggest James Hardin Apologies in the world says before us. I mean, are you, are you gonna take this back when he goes to the Hall of Fame? Are you gonna, like, you know what I mean? He's a Hall of Fame.

He's going to the Hall of Fame. All right. Yeah, I just don't understand, like, people in the... Is Jimmy Butler going to the Hall of Fame? I think it's plausible. Joel. It's plausible. Why are you saying?

The answer is an unequivocal yes. I think the thing is that it's crazy because, again, like, because you're such a hater that you can't concede in the truth. But these are not equivalent players, though. You know what I mean? I didn't say, well, first of all, I didn't say if they were the same player. I said if he was going to the Hall of Fame. I know this one.

Tell me which one of them can get you to the finals. I tell you which one can't. I mean, look, if that team, the Rockets from 2018 had played in the East, they would have been in the finals too. No, because Jimmy Butler, I mean, Jimmy, not Jimmy Butler, I'm sorry, James Hardin would have found some way to choke out the last game of the season as he has done year after year after year after year, including the year you described. Any of the United States that Jimmy Butler took to the team to the finals, any of them Hardin teams. Hold on. So you're telling me that James Harden teams would have gone to the East and took out LeBron? No, well, I think that would... Because that's what you're saying.

You're saying that in 2018, if we put them in the East, they win the East. So you're saying that James Hardin would have taken out abroad. I do think the 2018 Rockets would have beat the Cavs and the finals. If they had made it, I think they would have beat them. Yeah. So I guess I am saying that. But I'm definitely saying that if those 2018 rockets had played in the 2020 bubble finals, I definitely think they would have rocked the Jimmy Butler in the heat then too.

Yeah. So which game would James Harden have had the 10 turn over? It wouldn't matter because we had CP3, you know what I'm saying, dishing it out bad. No, because James Harden got him out of there. I mean, remember that? Remember that? Yeah, man. I mean, he liked to play the way he wanted to play it.

I mean, I'm not saying he's a perfect guy. But what's, I mean, people should have some appreciation of like the flawed great player. And I have an appreciation for it. And again, that dude played hard for my team, man. You know what I mean? Like, I respect that. He played hard for the Rockets. He played a lot of games until he took on.

Until he didn't. He took on the burden of being a superstar every night. And I think people should have more respect for that. And then wilted under it with 10 turnovers against the Warriors. That just gives the story path up. 27, 27 missed three-pointers in 2018. You remember when they missed 27, three-pointers in a row? I'm familiar.

I'm familiar with that. I wasn't sure if you was watching that game. It don't sound like you watched that game. I saw it. I saw it. But, look, again, I appreciate what he did for my franchise. I appreciate him coming hard. And in that way,

I'm kind of like, I'm excited for KD to get to sort of like rebuild his name or whatever because for whatever reason, Golden State Friends didn't appreciate him properly and he didn't get credit for being a two-time finals MVP. Well, come on down here to Houston and we're going to do something now. You know what I'm saying? Like, we can rebuild that resume. And also just on the low about the KD thing, people don't give him enough respect for the 2021 Olympics thing.

Like, that should do more for his resume than it actually has. Well, I definitely feel confident that you will give him the respect because if you'll give that much respect to Jim Hardin. You will definitely. I ride with the hometown. I ride with the hometown. I understand why you can't because you didn't live in a big town. He don't even play for the hometown no more and you still be out here trying to defend him.

I mean, I'm, look, Warren Moon, Lorenzo White. I mean, if you play for him, Vernon Maxwell, I think of Vernon Maxwell. Did you just compare James Hardin to War him? I mean, bro. I mean, the thing about War Moon that people would say is that like, are you not, People would make the argument in the playoffs for War Moon that they probably would make for James Harder. Did you just compare real live black history to Jim Harden? I see the thinking you'd just be disrespectful to that term of the Rockets.

I mean, Jim is going to be, is a top two rocket? Top two, top three? He is number three. So you got him behind, obviously, Dream and... Two-time MVP, Moses Malone. Mosem-Malo. We went to the NBA finals. Okay.

That's fair. I mean, it's just kind of weird because I think of Moses, bullets, sixers, whatever, you know, whatever. But yeah, I'll give you that. MVP with the Rockets. Okay. I give you that. Okay, number three is fine. I mean, well, that doesn't get you on the Mount Rushmore, though, in all fairness.

So, you're right. But, I mean, I think to me, if you're a Houstonian. Joe, how many people are Mount Rushmore? Four, right? Yes. When you asked it to me, I was just like, hold on. What did you get about that? I'm like, damn, what about Rushmore?

I'm like, damn, what about Rushmore? Did they show Joe? Yeah, no, right. Yeah, my bad. Yeah, I mean, because you got it's dream, it's warm moon. Is it Nolan Ryan? I probably is no one. I don't think Nolan Ryan should make it on there.

Damn. Okay. I mean, he played for the, he played for the actual shows for like those nine years. He's a local legend, but not to me. I don't think of him as a local professional. Yeah, I don't think of him as a local professional. Yeah, I don't think of him as a local. professional sports legend.

Okay. Man, who makes so? Is it like Jeff Bagwell? Or is it, it's probably going to be Al Tuve? I think Biggio and Bagwell have a better case than Nolan Ryan. Okay. Al-Tube probably is going to supplant both of them.

Now, I mean, he's got World Series. Yeah, because Houston don't care about that one thing. Oh. Al-Tube is like Houston's Barry Bonds. Like, so? I mean. So. And I'm like that, too.

You know what I'm saying? They ain't given a trophy. bet you know. Ed? Deal with. Yeah, right. What we're talking about? Ladies and gentlemen, that is Joe Anderson.

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