The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Joel Anderson on How The Brendan Sorsby Case EXPOSES College Football’s Biggest Problem | 06.18

Episode Date: June 18, 2026

Bomani Jones is joined by Joel Anderson for a wide-ranging conversation about the Brendan Sorsby gambling case, the NCAA’s response, and what it says about the future of college sports. Bomani and Joel break down why college football’s reaction to Sorsby felt so extreme, how the NCAA continues to struggle in court, and why the Protect College Sports Act could be a major problem for athletes. They also discuss whether Sorsby could end up in the NFL Supplemental Draft, how teams might evaluate him, and why gambling addiction should be treated more seriously as sports betting becomes impossible to avoid.Later, Bomani and Joel get into  the hypocrisy around punishing young athletes, and Joel’s ongoing battle with arguing on the internet. . . . Subscribe to Supercast for Ad-Free Episodes: https://righttime.supercast.com/ Buy 'The Right Time' merch: http://therighttimebomani.com/ Subscribe to The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Spotify, Apple or wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok for all the best moments from the show. Download Full Podcast Here: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6N7fDvgNz2EPDIOm49aj7M?si=FCb5EzTyTYuIy9-fWs4rQA&nd=1&utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-right-time-with-bomani-jones/id982639043?utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Follow The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Social Media: http://lnk.to/therighttime Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. He only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. Speaking of which, it's a Joel Anderson Thursday. Yeah, raise your roof, beau. I love how you tried to be mad, but then you got so excited raising the roof.

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Okay. We got a lot to get to with Joel. But I want to start with this Brendan Soresby situation. And you and I actually have not talked this much about this. And so I am curious what you think. Because for those who don't know, Brendan Sorsby, and we talked about this on the pod before, but Brenda Sorsby was quarterback at the University of Cincinnati. He got caught gambling.

He gambled a lot. It appears, though, that Cincinnati knew about his gambling two years before they did anything about it. He got caught. He went. He got treatment. He transfers to Texas Tech. They gave him a boatload of cash to play there. The NCAA tried to ban him permanently.

A court in Texas said, ah, not today. And they gave him a temporary injunction. and basically college football in some total revolted against Texas Tech. He had teams saying that they would not play against them. The entire Big 12 basically tried to kick them out and boycott the idea of playing against them. It's a long story, but the attorney general of the state of Texas named Kim Paxson, and the dude does running for Senate. He basically made some kind of low-key threat that then gave the grounds for the Big 12 to take this into federal court.

and get the injunction overturned, and the filing apparently was so overwhelming that Texas Tech said, never mind, he's not, we'll give the kid his money, because they have to, they got a contract. He's eligible to play. So they'll give him his money, but he's not going to play there, but now he's going to drop his lawsuit because that will make him

ineligible again. And if he's ineligible again, he then perhaps qualifies for the supplemental draft in the NFL. And that's where this is going. Yes, it is so much. much that is going on there. I personally felt like maybe we need to reevaluate the idea that someone of that age getting caught doing what he did, which involved gambling on his own team, just to be clear. But I didn't see anywhere where anybody thought that he himself was a true

integrity threat, which I think is a big deal. I am not comfortable with the idea of the colleges doing the you got to go forever sort of thing. Right. Like I see that a little more with the NFL because we're dealing with full-on professionals and full-on adults with somebody like Soresby. I am a little less comfortable with it, but I am amazed that there have been many, many times for all these colleges to gang up on the side of right of something.

And this is the only time they ever did. The only time I've ever seen colleges make this particular sort of stand where it's like, we're not playing y'all is when they were holding the color line. Yes. It's like, y'all had a Negro on your team. We're not doing that. But not all the college did that. You know what I'm saying?

That was just regional. Right. Right. They couldn't get a consensus on that. And like a few schools didn't want to play San Jose State in the last couple years. They had a trans woman play on their team and say it's a lot of schools in women. But other than that, I was not aware that colleges could make this sort of a stand on something. Every single one of them.

Yeah. I was like, oh, man, this is the thing that is outraged the most. Have we ever seen a level of outreach? I feel like it was me and Stephen Godfrey all want. Me, Stephen Godfrey and Cody Campbell. County Campbell is the benefactor of Texas Tech Athletics. It was us three over here. And it was the world.

It's the mean where the dude pull out the sword and all the horses are coming out. Yeah, no. You know, so on my show, Ringgo Telgate comes out on Wednesday. You know, I talked about this last week. And a lot of people got mad at me because I think we, we align on this basically. But the one thing about it is that yes,

like if college sports are going to engage in gambling, like they, just in the last year, they had reduced the penalty against athletes for like, they allowed it so that they could a bet on other sports. Yes, right. Like, they're the ones they're saying like, it's kind of cool.

You can, if you're going to bet, like, you can do it, you want to bet on Australian rules football, cricket, whatever else. We'll loosen up the penalties on that. So go ahead and do it. if you want to. And these are the guy, like, the thing about Brendan Soresby is he is right in the middle of the demographic that is most vulnerable to gambling addiction. Yes. Right? Like, I wrote about this a couple years ago when I was at Slate about, like,

the danger of gambling and it was taken. It's like, you've got basically a casino in your phone. And these kids don't know, you know, like this is a totally different. They're, they could be addicted to social media. So imagine the ability to play games of chance. was something that they're really interested in. Well, this is I was saying. I don't mean to cut you off and you don't say this right fast. We're putting the most addictive thing

inside of the most addictive thing. Yeah, man. Yeah. Yeah, it just doesn't... So I thought that was a little bit hypocritical. But the other thing about it that I really thought is that Brendan Soresby was not accused

to throw in games. Brendan Sorsby was not accused of betting against his team. Maybe there were two occasions, but they did not... impact the outcome and they were not based on things that would have impacted the outcome of the game, right? And so people were saying, oh, man, this is really going to, this is a precedent that is going to challenge the integrity of the games. I was like, you do not actually believe that. You cannot. There's no way that anybody thinks it because a judge and Fort Worth issued a temporary injunction saying, hey, maybe the NCAA, maybe Brenda Sorsby has a point here and I want to know more about it.

and that you thought that, oh, man, there's going to be a whole bunch of other players that are going to decide well, shit, maybe I'll bet on my team and all these other games are going to be in question. People do not actually believe that. That is stupid. And if anybody sits down and think about it for one second, you would not, you would know that you don't believe that because there's no way that you're going to look at a football game in October and be like, oh, man, but Brendan Soresby played in it. How can I be sure that this game was on the level? I just don't believe that people actually think like that. Because if they did, look, just this year, earlier this year,

there was a huge federal investigation into basketball players literally throwing games. Yep. Literally throwing games. Like almost 20 schools over like 30 games or something like that. And so like they had evidence, really strong evidence that these guys were actually impacting the outcomes of games. Two months later, we had the NCAA tournament. Nobody was like, well, shit, how can I be sure that these games are on the level? Nobody said anything about that.

That's what I thought. Like, I just thought the outrage was just sort of ridiculous to me because no people don't actually believe that stuff. Well, I would also make this point about the throwing games because that's the thing about betting on your own team in large part. Like Pete Rose's thing about him betting on his own team was like, but always bet on us to win. Right.

I see what you're saying. But the thing about the idea of betting on your own team or just the idea of the integrity threat, right? Let me tell you who cannot get away with throwing no game ever. Brendan Sorsby. Yo, man, yeah, absolutely. Okay, because let me tell you something. Here's the thing about people throwing games.

When you found out that somebody was throwing a game, you knew exactly what it was when you watched it. Yep. Okay? You get away with throwing games when people don't think that you would do such a thing. Right, right. He's not on the, he, we, we got questions.

You understand what I'm saying? Like they're going to be all of anything ever comes up of IG. I wonder British Source if you're throwing a game. Just put on the videotape. And then it goes from there. Now, look, I am, I don't say it on the air. I can be a little,

I don't want to say reckless. I want to say bold with my belief when I am watching a fix. Or I believe that I am watching a fix. I have a tendency to look and be like, oh, that's a fix, but I see it in refs. Oh, yep, yep, that's right. That's right. Like, I have two games in particular that I'll always remember that I looked at and thought,

oh, man, I feel like there's a fix involved. One time I was doing Jim Rome's show. Jim Rome is burning. And so we would do that show. It was in March, and the conference tournaments would always come on right before. So it would always be some conference tournament that cuts into our time and leads in, whatever it is. Okay, cool.

It was the big East tournament, and I ain't never seen a more obvious fix in my life where, like, the game was ending, and the dude had the ball and was jumping up and down like he was in the pocket, like, waiting, like bouncing. Oh. The refs ain't called nothing. They let that clock ran out, and then reps ran out of air faster than anything I had ever seen. And it was like so crazy that once it was done, and we come to Jim, Jim, like, yo, what was that? And I'm like, I don't know. You know what I mean? Wow.

Like all I'm saying is, when cats are really out here shaving points or throwing, it's not that subtle. Right, right. That's kind of how they get caught. Right. This guy can't get away with anything. Like, I feel like with him,

if they wanted to, they could have turned this into a for real, like cautionary tales situation. You've seen him out to all the high schools, you know, to explain the whole thing or all it was. but I think to me, rather than reckon with what we have and engage in some nuanced thought and maybe a shifting paradigm in terms of how we handle these things,

everybody's like, you know, it would make it a lot easier? We just kick this motherfucker out of here. Yeah, see, I just think that is a very, I shouldn't say it's an American thing because I can't speak to, like, you know, what other countries are like, but we believe in two things. We believe in punishing the fuck out of people.

Yes. And we still believe that, like, deterrence works. And like there's been reams of research that have shown over the years that like the idea that if somebody is bound and determined to do something like that, the scale of the punishment does not really matter. What matters is if they think they're going to get caught, not if not what the punishment is going to be. And so I'm just like banishing Brendan Sorsby does nothing to protect your games from the punit from integrity threats because the guys that are doing it don't think they're going to get caught. They,

They don't believe that like anybody's watching them. They think they can do it sort of in secrecy and it'll be fine. And but for me, like when I played or whatever, I was like, and I didn't play in college, real for real, but you know what I was. But I would have been like. Are you on the team? Let's be clear so people understand. Yeah, but I was on team.

But I would have never thought that I would be able to get away with it. I'll be like, oh, I'll be the motherfucker that I'll get caught. Right. And so I just don't, the idea that Brendan Sorris, again, I, if you think Brendan Sorosby needed to miss some games, I totally. I understand it, and I could be down with that. But I also thought that it would have been more useful if he had been able to be at Texas Tech, advocate, talk to these kids and people in his cohort that are vulnerable to this sort of thing

and then try to come back from it because people were like, Brendan Sorsby didn't get punished, nothing happened to him. Bro, do you really want to be Brendan Sorsby? Do you want to have his name for the rest of his life right now? This is what people are going to remember him for for a very long time. Well, let me ask you this question. And I was wondering if you were curious about this like I was. You ain't have to wait until this court decision

to have a problem with him going to Texas Tech. Like, was it simply that, like, we'd know he was going to be there for a while. Yeah, right, right. His girlfriend is on a, is down there at Texas Tech. That was what it is. That was allegedly, uh-huh, yeah. Interesting decision-making process. And they gave millions of dollars, just to be clear.

Oh, yeah, the $5 million plus or whatever probably helps you. supposedly, religiously. But like, you could have put this fight up immediately. Mm-hmm. Like, you didn't, I don't know. It was, I don't know, it just felt so reactionary. I think that was the thing about it in the moment is it felt so reactionary. And I just couldn't believe that in no moment did anybody stop and take a breath and be like,

all right, well, let's think about what we got going on here. And that didn't happen. Like, you did an interview with Jeffrey Kessler, his attorney, right? Yeah, yeah, we talked to him for tailgate. That's right. What was he, what do you have to say? Well, I mean, I think his big thing was that a lot of people don't know the facts of the case. And I heard you talk about it on the show last week is that the judge in this case found that the NCAA is not following its own rules. Like, first of all, that they're like haphazardly-by.

Which is, by the way, the same thing in the Trinidad Chambliss case was the same argument. Absolutely. Yeah. The precedent here is not Brendan Soresby. The president is Diego Pavia about how like they're just. They're very, you know, they're sort of loose and half and half baked with how they go about imposing their eligibility rules. And so people can find ways to challenge them. This was a part of that. But also to your point, like he said, it's like, oh, the NCAA says we care about athletes. Part of your mission is taking care of them. Well, this is not taking care.

The judge was saying, no, like, this is, you have a duty to protect and take care of your athletes. This does not align with that. And again, it was not a settled matter. Like, it was just like the judge wanted more time to think about this and to talk about it. And then they were going to hold the trial later. So it wasn't like a decision had been made. But obviously, I think what people were most upset about was that the trial was set strategically in a way that would have allowed Brendan Sorosby to play. But is it even be, but is it strategically or is it just that's how long it takes for something to happen?

With that's also, yeah, it's a legal process. It takes a while, right? Like, they wouldn't ever go to rush through it. So that is that part of it as well. But yeah, Jeffrey Custler thinks that most people just did not know the facts of the case and that they were mad and that they were opining without having read much about the case or knowing much about what the NCAA's obligations are to its athletes. Well, he's right about that.

Yeah, I agree. And I also, I don't want to pretend like I don't understand people being like, hey, man, some things are simple. Bet on your own team is a rap for you. Right. And that's just where it starts, right? Like, they think we talk about shoot as Joe. Right.

Yeah, right. You know, so they're like, they're like, what else is there for us to talk about here? But something that's interesting. I learned this when I did, I did something for Vanity Fair in 2020, when the players united movements and everything were going on. And Bob Orr, who's the former Chief Justice of Supreme Court of North Carolina, who became very interested in NCAA issues when Carolina got hemmed up. And what happens very often is,

these lawyers who never really paid any attention to this stuff, get into it. And they're like, wait a minute. This is crazy town. Right. Right. Like the idea, what's dooming the NCAA is they had an internal policy that precedent didn't matter.

Right. Like that, how many times that we heard them say that, that precedent didn't matter? Every case was its own snowflake, right? That they dealt with. And that's part of why they keep losing in court. But Orr said that he was talking to an investigator for the NCAA. And he was like, look, I got your book of regulation.

or whatever it is, and I've read everything about da-da-da and everything else, and he says, where is the part about the rights of the athlete? And the woman responded, and I quote, that's a good question. That's good. Right. So the NCAA has in its mission statement about protecting athletes, but had actually nothing written on the books about their protection.

And so what I think part of it is is that we have a media corps that has grown up and has been conditioned in an throughout their whole lives where the NCAA's only job is to meet out punishment right that's all it does and wild punishments for things that now will make you laugh when you think about what they've done to people over two thousand dollars absolutely right like like over five hundred dollars oh signing autographs signing autographs yeah for like you know two hundred dollars or something like that yeah shutting everybody down so oh about 15 years ago It was really kind of with the Cam Newton story that it really kind of, and actually, what really

happened was, when it happened with Cam, it was one thing, is when it happened with Johnny Mansell. Oh, yeah. And that, and that Dup, P popped up. People were like, well, wait a minute. Why can he sign some autographs? Yeah. You know? But what's that happened?

Then people started asking the questions, but I think that people are so accustomed to the purpose of these nobody's job is to look out for the players. Right. And when somebody does, nobody really knows what to do. As Kessler points out, I mean, the NCAA was initially started as a way, like, Teddy Roosevelt wanted an organization that looked out for the safety of the players.

Like, that was like the NCAA's original core mission. And everything that's happened since then doesn't really seem to have much to do with that. And they've really outgrown that initial purpose. And again, because this is all about competition. Like, really, I argue now that the NCAA is about, like, the big schools, trying to restrict competition. Like they want to make sure, you don't cheat over here. I'm saying?

Like, hey, Cleveland State over there. They might be cheating. You know, like, was it, what was it? Jerry Tarkhanian that said? They're so mad at Kentucky. They're going to put Kentucky, they put Kentucky Cleveland State on probation for two more years. Yeah, yeah.

And so, like, I think that that's what people think that the NCAA is supposed to do, right? Like, just manage the competition factor, but really the original goal was to take care of these athletes to make sure that the safety protocols there, make sure that it was part. it align with the academic mission of the college. And nobody is ever talking about any of that shit anymore.

And the NCAA is dabbling and all this other stuff. And it has nothing. Very rarely does it touch on any of that stuff. So I think that like the NCAA, that's kind of, I think when you talk about when you talk to Tom Mars and all these other guys, it's just like the NCAA is sort of an old organization

that is sort of outlived its usefulness and it's trying to enforce these rules that really everybody is looking at them is like, this doesn't make any sense. Well, I thought it was interesting that people, I felt like after the injunction were like, well, what's the NCAA good for then? I was like, yeah, keep going. Keep going.

You're right there. Exactly. You're right on the precipice. Absolutely. And, you know, the thing that made me feel good about the Sorsby thing, because, again, I think it's like you said, you mean, Stephen Godfrey, maybe a few other people on this, is that the sports attorneys agree with us on this. Like, they may differ on like what should have.

happened with Brendan Soresby, like, you know, whether how many games he should serve, if he should play in college football again or whatever. But on the whole, they look at this case and they say, oh, this doesn't set any sort of precedent. Like, you do not need to worry about that. And that's, I feel, because of the people that are familiar with this case and familiar with the NCAA bylaws feel that way, I feel comfortable with where I sit on it. The point that Mars is made on Twitter about it, though, is this is the thing that could drive that Protect College Sports Act through because it gives the,

full impression of chaos that the congresspeople need in order to push this this bill and this bill is bad. I know that you probably have seen, and not you, Joe, but like the people listening, may have seen that the NFLPA and the National Basketball Players Association

support this bill. This bill is awful for players. I am floored by the idea that that guy was mortified that the CBC had members that co-sponsored the score at, which was the predecessor to this one. Shocked. And this bill is not terribly different from that one.

This is really, really, really bad. And I understand the argument that Sorsby, even if you argue that Sorsby was in the right, it could tip public and political opinion in such a way that leads to something that I believe might be worst case scenario, which is this bill. Right. Well, and again, given the people that I've talked to about this, about what might happen with this score bill or the Protect College Sports Act,

that won't do much to address what happens with SORSbee anyway. Like, attorneys are still going to be able to light that shit up. Like, they just waiting. Like, this act, the Protect College Sports Act, is really about limiting the money that they got to pay to these mostly black athletes. Bottom line, that is basically what this thing is all about. and like I guess that for a lot of people that is what is saving college sports because the argument is that well they're spending all these money on football and basketball some of these schools can't afford to do that so they may have to cut their fencing team or they may have to cut their volleyball team or whatever and stuff like that and my argument is I'm sure it is with yours is that that's first of all that's a you problem like you know if you're a college if you're a college they can't afford to do that then you need to find you

the level that you can play at, you know? Once upon a time, when we were alive, but were barely alive, Ivy League was a major college football league. Like they all, they, you know, they played at basically the top level. And then around the late 70s, early 80s, they looked around and they said, we don't want to have to build a bigger stadium. We don't want to have to pay for all these scholarships. We don't want to do that. And so they dropped down to a level. So those colleges should do that. Like, they're free to do that, right? And again, the money you give to these coaches, the money that you spend on buyouts, the money that you spend trying to lure a coach and paying them $13 million, $13 million,

you could use that money to pay for those non-revenue sports. They just choose not to. Yeah, I mean, I would make, I just want to make this point. And I think it's important because, yes, it is these mostly black athletes that we talk about right now. They was doing this when it was all white boys to. That's true. That's true. Like this is where I think there are profound effects that we could argue that are skewed.

And especially since the non-revenue sports are so primarily white and so it has been an idea that these black athletes have been funding the existences of these other sports. But I think we see enough in the world to tell us they do this same thing to a bunch of white boys to. Like this is about this is about class and labor as much as anything else with some interesting noteworthy overlaps into the race part. But back when they had all the spots, they were still keeping them boys broke. Hey, look, man, one of the guys that initiated, that is the reason for the term student athlete is a former TCU guy named Kent Waldrop. He got paralyzed at a game at the University of Alabama, I think it was like 1976. And he sued for, you know, he wanted the school to take care of him, everything. And what TCU and the NCAA did was that came up with this term student athlete.

as a Dodge. It was a term of art so that they did not have to pay a workers' compensation claim. Right? And so that was a white guy. So to your point, Bo, they've been trying to take advantage of these guys and treat them not as laborers, the laborers that they are since the beginning of time. And it's been

enriching a whole bunch of other people. Like, there was some account I follow on Twitter, and I can't remember what it is, but they're just like, they listed out the number of staff that all these schools have in the athletic departments. And it's like, yo, these are patronage jobs. man. These are jobs that help pay for people that, you know, whatever administrator,

booster, whatever, so their kids can work into athletic department and make a pretty decent salary doing it. So I just don't have a lot of sympathy for these schools that find themselves in financial trouble because they've known that they've been doing wrong by these young boys and young women now in college women's basketball for a very long time. And they're like, you know, the bill's come and do now. Hey, brother, I can't afford. a Ferrari. Like, I kind of can. Right. I can scrape, if I want to have a Ferrari, I could make some changes and scrape some things around to do whatever and have the Ferrari, man, the insurance is going to cost a lot of money, all that stuff. But I could get a Ferrari. Right. But I can't

really get a Ferrari. So I just ain't going to have no Ferrari. Exactly. Right. If you ain't no baller, you know what I'm saying? Like, like if you can't ball, then you can't ball. Bo, look, man, I make a decent salary, but I can't afford all of the house and space that I would like, bro. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Like, I would like to move my whole family down. I have my in-laws and my parents live around me.

I love to be afforded a nice big house in Southern California or Northern California where I could live someplace where the weather is nice, whatever. I can't do it, bro. I got to live but within my means. And I don't understand why the colleges can't do that same shit. Yeah, man. But hey, coming up, Dax, there's another. Sources question that is really fascinating.

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Right. Now he goes into the supplemental draft. So for people who don't know how it works, the supplemental draft is a silent single bid auction. Okay. If they decide to have it, right, because they don't have to have the supplemental draft. If they decide to have the supplemental draft and he is in it, every team gets to put in a bid for what pick they would use.

on him first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh round, right? And it would be the pick in the 2027 draft. You actually get the player at a discount because there's a time discounting on the pick when you think about it. So you can put in whatever your bid is and ties are broken by the previous year's draft order. Okay. He going to have a pro day and there's going to be him and and in Holland and they're going going to go down there and they're going to watch.

And I am very curious to see how it goes. if slash win somebody takes him. Yeah, I mean, so my initial thought on this, though, was that I was like, man, it's not like he lit it up when he was at Cincinnati, right? Like, he was good. He was good. But nobody was talking about Brendan Sorosby,

like he was Cam Newton or like Caleb Williams. Right. Like he wasn't, nobody, you know, like I didn't, nobody thought that he was the first, And so I was just like, then he's got this specter gambling over him and all the things that he put in his court filings about having anxiety issues and things like that. I was like, man, I don't, what NFL team would want to put up with that. But then the dude Quincy Avery, who works with, you know, a lot of professional quarterbacks and college quarterbacks of note, he's been saying for the beginning, he's like, no, like, if he had come out last year, he might have been the second quarterback picked in this most recent draft. and that he calls him a little slower Kyler Murray, but bigger.

And I was like, huh, he's pretty adamant about the fact that he thinks teams might be willing to drop a second, a third on them. I'm curious enough. I'm interested to see if that's actually true, but. But here's where I think he's interesting for a team that needs to think about having a quarterback, right? So I am pulling up the list of teams in the league. in front of me and I'm going to go through the ones that I think like need to think about even if they went and got a little short term situation

right? Miami. They got Malik Willis but clearly they don't believe in that shit right? I kind of feel bad for him when they're doing him. The Jets, they still ain't got no quarterback right? They always need, yeah. They could use somebody, yes.

Yeah, yeah, they still don't have one. Cleveland, obviously, still doesn't have. But don't, wait, hold on, man. They got like a million quarterbacks. Yes, they do. and they don't have one. It's amazing. It's amazing.

You think the show Watson can't be good again? Pittsburgh. Okay, all right. Yeah, yeah. Pittsburgh. Aaron Rodder. Yeah.

They're a little, their quarterback short. Who else we got here? Minnesota? Oh, they got Kyle Murray. I think they have a starting quarterback. Okay. Well, at the very least,

they got enough to think about right now. New Orleans feels like they have a quarterback. Tampa Bay is a little weird because they have a quarterback, but they are, I would not want to get into a pro-tracted argument with Baker Mayfield because he don't let nothing slide. He looked like, he was like, look, if they ain't done by now, we ain't talking about that shit again, and I believe him. He used to him in his word.

Look, man, his parents named him after Ronald Reagan. You know what type that is. Hey, look, man. Resolute. Yes, resolute. That's a great way to put it. I'm in Arizona. Arizona, man.

Arizona. They need somebody. All right, so I'm hitting you with like, that's five quarterbacks there. I think Seattle will need a quarterback at some point, but neither here nor there, right? So let's say we got those five teams. Yeah. Let's say that you can put down a third round pick, maybe even a second round pick. And not only do you get this quarterback, you get a year to look at him in whatever way,

and then decide if you want to use a pick in next year's draft on an actual factual quarterback. Right. Right. It's an interesting situation when you put it in those terms for these teams that know they need a quarterback next year, they can do a little research on a quarterback right now. They can get a head start on a guy that would have been, you know, number two, number three in this recent draft. Yeah. And also, and keep in mind, you never know who accidentally might win seven games. You know what I'm saying? Like, you think you might to be at the top of the draft. The next thing, you know, you remember when the Texas made that trade for Will Anderson? And we were like, this is crazy because that's going to be a top five pick next year too.

And it wasn't. Man, we had no idea. We everybody was, who was old boy? It was it not Nick Casario. That's not. That's him. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, I was like, I thought he made a mistake. But yet, Anderson showing out in Houston. Yeah, they turned out to be. He turned out to be good, but also the pick didn't turn out to be the pick that we thought that the pick was going to be. Right. Any of those teams that are like, I mean, I don't see a world where Cleveland doesn't stink, but they might mess around and win five games.

Yeah, you can just never tell in the NFL, man. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And I mean, Pittsburgh is not going to be great. Do you think Cincinnati's going to be that good? No, they'll find a way not to be. Yeah. So, I mean, like Cleveland could pick up a couple wins there.

And, you know, the NFL is the NFL, man. Bottom line, it was the great quote the dude had. If Haddell Electric Corrata 4-3, we call the eating disorder. Right? And look, Calvin Ridley got caught betting. Oh, Jamo for the Lions got caught betting at the, at the building, in the building. Yeah, man. Like, this stuff be happening is all I'm saying.

And if you're good, they'll find a way to deal with it. We're just going to find out if they think he's good. Right, right. Yeah, because again, nobody has alleged that he, like, tried to, he was a corrupt actor in the games, right? And the important thing that Kessler talks about is that these bets were made when he was not really on the active roster at any end. So it was not like when he was ever really, so, like, people will be able to rationalize this. And yeah, I could, I could definitely see a world in which, you know, they take a little look at them. They get to look at him in camp, see what they got.

maybe they throw them out there a little bit this year and then if it doesn't work out it don't work out. But you know what else I think it is and I'm curious what you think about this. I think that also what we're hearing a bit about is a rejection of the language of addiction as a medical term.

So here's what I mean by that. We've come a long way in terms of how we view people on drugs. Right. Like look, after 2020, ain't really no, there are no drug, the war on drugs and sports is over. Right.

They're not punishing people behind drug stuff anymore. Right. It is much more a count, look, my favorite thing ever in the NHL was, used to be, it's how you knew it was all white boys. If you failed a drug test, they just called and talked to you.

Just, just what James wanted to make sure everything was okay. Right, right, right. That's all it took. But they stopped doing this. It's now, it's now a treatment-based thing that we do with drugs. But now we treat that, as a medical situation where previously we strictly, we totally just treated that as a matter of will, right?

Right, right. I don't know if people are prepared to treat gambling that same way, despite all the evidence around us, right? Despite how we've seen gambling destroy people, but if you think of this in medical terms, then as a team, you got a staff that you feel like can help handle these things. Instead, we're going back to the old adage,

once a crack head, always a crack head. Which, by the way, it's not wrong. If you were an addict, you are an addict, you will be an addict, but you learn how to manage what it is. Addicts say it themselves, that's right. But it tells you a lot about how people truly feel about the gambling bug that they like, man, he ain't going to be able to beat that. The thing that is crazy to me is that people feel that way

because gambling is all around us, bro. You know, like, again, we talk about it is in your phone. I'm really grateful. I don't have very many vices. Like, mine is like sugar. You know what I'm saying? Right. But yeah, like that's my big thing.

But like alcohol, all, you know, drugs, not like that. But, like, people that, like, can't help but do the fantasy football joint, that can't help but do all these other things. I'm just surprised that people don't look at the people within their life. And they can't, they can see that there's a generation of, like, teenage boys coming up that are steeped in this and are kind of getting hooked on it. And if they don't, I feel like if they don't respect it as an addiction, now that they will be forced to eventually

because eventually it's going to start coming for people, man. By the way, you do have another vice. What's that? Fighting people on the internet. Come on, man. Come on, Doug. You know what? I will say, it got out of control yesterday.

I felt that yesterday... Yesterday, it was the... I called you in the morning yesterday and you sent a tweet about how you needed to get offline. Yeah. And then you didn't. It got worse, man. Can you, Blue Sky unnerved me yesterday.

I was whaling out on Blue Sky, man. And I just, I remember, I was like, this does not feel good. And do you know what the Blue Sky fight was about while I was still on Twitter? Which was definitely just, just a very made argument. But yeah, man, I do. You know, there's a meme going around right now on the internet. With something to say, ever since I was a little kid, I knew I wanted people to watch how the fuck they talked to me.

It's okay. And that was me, like as a kid. Like, I've always felt that we have a very strict sense of, like, dignity and self. And if people talk to me any kind of way, it really sets me off. When they talk to you any kind of way, it sets you off. And sometimes when they just talk to you, it sets you off. I think I'm a nice person. I think you're a nice person too, but you're any kind of way.

is not like, now, I mean, I think as you might imagine, I'm not so inclined to let people talk to me any sort of way. But you know what? You can let some people talk to any sort of way. If you're not listening to them, they only talking to you

because you put your face out there for them to do it and half the time they're not even people. You're right. You're right. I know. So yes, Joe, you have advice and your advice is arguable with people on the internet.

It's true. I need to get past it. I really would like to, you know, the thing is, I've been really proud of myself, man, because there was a whole conversation around my appearance on rewatchables. And I may have mentioned it the last time I was here. And I totally avoided it. I just like, I don't, because I know that if I see what people are saying about it, I will never be able to get over it. And actually Bill, Bill Simmons, for people who reached out to me and he was like, don't, he's like, please don't look it up. Don't bother because I, from personal experience, you will not be happy. Like, those people are crazy. Like, let it go. And I was like, you know what? All right, I trust you on that. And I trust you. I know that you're saying this in friendship that I need to stop this. Dude, I had to say the same thing to Vinny yesterday.

Because they was fired him up about a bit of a touch of inartful phrasing. Hey, man. And hold on, hold on, hold on. I want people to understand this. Joel Anderson had the nerve to jump in this group chat and say, say, oh, I know you hot to somebody else about what was saying on the internet. And it said, and I quote, I just add folks and get it out the way. Meanwhile, he just came on here able to recall the exact arguments that he had yesterday.

It's true. With people. Look, man, I look. People can quibble with Vinny on what he said. And I didn't I understood his point And for people who don't get it He said basically

What he was trying to say was that When it's a new champion Every year it starts to feel like a participation trophy Right And so somebody's like are you going to championship Participation trophy And his response was if everybody wins one yes But it didn't

The internet did not receive it or clip it That way It been on TV that long You know what I'm saying And they've been on TV, but not on this scale. But the thing is about, and I get why he's upset, because the thing is, is that people, it's not enough for people to disagree and say,

I don't like that opinion. Yes. I don't agree with that. It's just like, how did you even get your job? You clown. You know, people just start talking, they start disrespecting you and trying to malign you in a way

that I think is not commensurate with what the offense was. Right. And so, like, and again, so, yeah, I saw Vinny going back and forth with people on the internet, and he's sending tweets to us, you know, from people that we know that went at him. And I was like, Vinnie, man, I get it, man. If anybody understands what's going on, I get it.

Well, anybody understands it's me. I just don't understand why it is that this is where I cannot influence y'all. I have completely opted out. You, because you are, you are a made man. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but y'all are. You know, we're not made.

You know what I'm saying? Our reputations and our careers are still sort of in, You know, like it could go either way, you know. Yeah, but I tell you this, it ain't going nowhere good with y'all out here fighting. Yeah, it looks crazy. Look, you are an embodiment of what I say is why you can't respond to people. Social media is just where people go to be unhappy. It's fair.

That you go do that. Joel not having a good day. Don't you worry. We'll be tweeting shortly. You might not be tweeting about the bad day, but that's where you do it. I told people yesterday on Blue Sky, I was like, look, man, I was like, I'm having one of those days where you know, they talk about you don't know what's going on in somebody's life. And I was like, I'm having one of those days today. And I was like, so please don't argue with me about this.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was going to do it. Yeah, I know. I know. And then I kept on going. But it was tough. So, yeah. Anyway, do you all, do you know how good of a friend Bo is, man?

both sent me a Kindle. He sent me a Kindle so that I could read. And actually, I'm reading the Dick Gregory Autobiography on here right now. Yeah, I sent you that Kindle because it sounded like you were doing your e-reading either on your phone or your iPad, which was tied to all the other devices. And so I sent you a Kindle so you would not have to go into the cauldron in order to read. I know. I was hoping that it could be a replacement.

And look, I do this for myself. I'm all in a little too much too, but I've just decided I don't be talking to nobody about it. You know, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I, I don't be talking to it is a vice. It is a vice. My wife has been on me about talking crazy to people on the internet since the very beginning. Like, early on, she's like, why don't you just put that down, whatever? We were on the honeymoon and And I was fighting, I was fighting with people on Twitter, you know? And I was sitting on the beach in Mexico fighting with people. I can't believe that.

I would be so offended if I was her. I know. And I was like, I just, I didn't just, I still had a great time. You know what I'm saying? But, but, you know, it's just very tough for me to let things go. And I hold a grudge. You know, I will hold a grudge. I will hold a grudge.

If you said something about me and you don't think I know, I know. You know what I'm saying? I know. And, yeah. The only thing you like more than Hold on Grudge is talking about Hold on the Grudge. Yeah, man. Some people, man, you know, I... And all of this is to say, on the same device that Joel can't put down in the name of his own blood pressure.

Mm-hmm. They got the casino in there. I know, man. And they're going to try to shut these boys down because they got caught up in the wheel. I just... Yeah, man. It's tough, man. Like I said, having it on the phone takes it to a whole new level.

So let me ask this, now that I think about it. I have always felt that a big part of why people are so harsh toward drunk drivers is not simply the recklessness in the pain and everything else. But the fact that every society has what I would term as an unhealthy relationship with alcohol. Yeah. And punishing those who drink too much allow you to morally justify whatever it is that you do because you stay within the confines

as these irresponsible people that are the issue. And I'm wondering if part of what we're going to see attitude-wise when it comes to the gambling is going to be very similar to that as more and more people gambling. They're like, nothing wrong with gambling. I do it. It's just fine.

What do you mean? You know, I say, okay, it's just those people that don't know how to die-da-da-da. Like they're Brendan Soresby, right? And so that allows, it becomes necessary to be the one. If you engage in gambling, then you got to come down extra hard on a dude that makes a gambling mistake.

in order to justify the behavior that you engage in. I mean, think about how long, like people don't remember this because they're not, you know, they're not older. It was really hard to convince people that drunk driving was a big deal. In the early part of my life, like this was a long campaign to convince people that drunk driving was actually a public threat.

Like they're like between mothers against drunk driver, whoever, and people like, I just have a few drinks. Yeah, that's a great point that we had to have all these commercials at PSA. Oh, it was, bro, like, do you remember the fight over seatbelts, for instance? Yeah. Like, people are wearing helmets on a motorcycle. Like, it was very difficult because it's like, well, you know, you get what you get. But no, but people were like, you know, that's not, don't really affect me.

That's not a really big deal. But it took, like, a long, sustained public campaign to be like, actually, this is fucked up. Like, you should not do that. And I think that's what's going to take with gambling. And as more of these kids get peeled off and they end up owning tens of thousands of dollars and they get in financial trouble or, you know, ruin their lives, skipping school and all that stuff,

and it affects people in their lives, they're going to see. I mean, look, man, I have a son. He's four, and, you know, I can only imagine, like, the things that are going to be out there for him. And, like, it's not a concern I have right now, but I'm like, the way things are going,

I'm like, oh, that's something I'm just going to have to build into the many talks I'm going to have to have with him about, hey, man, you don't want to get caught up in this shit because it can really take you, take you down a dark path. And you're not You're not going to win Not talking about you I'm talking about like

Oh The the The casino Does not look the way it looks Because all these winners Have you ever Of course you have Have you ever been to

I think what really helps people Is if you live in a city with casinos Because I lived in Shreveport for two years And going into a casino for a lot of people, man. It's just like all they got, bro. Oh, buddy, let me tell you something. I went to the Hammond Horseshoe in Hammond, Indiana.

Oh, man. And I played Blackjack in there. The saddest place I've ever been in my life. If that casino is not in Las Vegas, Or it's not in the Bahamas or maybe China. I ain't never played over there, right? It's sad. Sad, sad, sad.

There's nothing fun about it. It is only fun in Las Vegas. Bro, look, man, I saw people in there with oxygen tanks, bro. Like, pulling up to, you know, with the machine, the slot machine joint. And I'm just like, yo, like, what is it about this place? But sports gambling is different because sports gambling gives you. you the idea that you can outsmart the game. Right.

And if there's anything we know about our society, self-awareness about one's intelligence is not an American birthright. It is that I was read through the Constitution, and it does not require you to be as smart as you think. There's no rule that says you have to do that. I mean, the thing is, the thing is, And this is how I know it must be addiction, sports gambling, because knowing what we know about sports, just how, like, random they are, like, just the ridiculous shit that can happen in any game,

the surprises that the way we get surprised over and over and over again. And yet people still think, you know, but I think I got a line on this one. I think I can do it. You know, I just, it must be bad because there's no way that you could know, you could know sports, love sports, and think that you could ever truly figure it out. I have never once heard of a betting house putting out a report being like, we're not making money. How come? Because they just keep beating us.

Right. Right. Like they got all kinds of reasons why they shut down. But they just keep beating us. It's not like, nobody has to, they ain't never got to be like, yo, man, we got to go in the draft. We got to go pick up some new, some new, some new mathematicians. to help us cook up these lides.

Right, right. We got to mix things up a little bit, you know what I'm saying? Make the odds more difficult. No, no, no. They get out there losing. They know exactly what that is. Somebody out here fixing games. Oh, yeah, man.

That's what they go do. They're like, hey, hey, hey, go see who put money on that shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, go give it a look. They're like, ain't nobody that good. No, ain't nobody that good. Nah, they know exactly what time it is on that bad. But, hey, Joel Addison, check out Rangertailgate. check out the press box also on the Rangor,

and don't follow him on social media because we have to stop encouraging. Oh, well, I don't know if I would go that far. I would say you could follow me and maybe I can find a way to just share my work. Or you could assure these people that if they follow you, you're not going to just bombard them

with all that negative energy. Because my thing that worries me is it'll never be no jokes. You just be mad. Like, in somebody, I used to have all the jokes at the people when they would come at me. You just call them hobs. And mean it, by the way.

Well, I mean, I take issue with that. Sometimes I do be funny on social media. You know what I'm saying? I didn't say you're never funny. But to the people who say stuff to you, no, you have no jokes. I don't know about that one. I think about it. Joe, Joe, it's if you think those are jokes, I am here to tell you.

They are landing with a force that does not come with a chance. Hey, some people be like, oh shit. You know what I'm saying? Joel got them, got them again, you know? Those people are also miserable. I don't, I don't, well, first of all, I'm not a miserable person. I think that's really the misnomer here. In addition to me being a hater, is that I'm a miserable person.

I have a very fun, happy, love-filled life. I really do. I have good friends like you, family that loves me. I'm doing what I'm exactly what I want to do. And if it's not coming through on social media, then that's too bad. But, you know, if you think that I'm miserable via social media, let me assure you that you are wrong. I'm rooting for you, brother.

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