The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Joel Anderson on Lane Kiffin's Ole Miss Problem, Ohio State MUST-WIN vs. Michigan, Texas vs. Texas A&M | 11.25

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

The Ringer's Joel Anderson joins Bomani Jones. First, they break down Lane Kiffin's continued flirtation with LSU & Florida and discuss the real reason he might be looking to leave Ole Miss. Later, they break down Ryan Day's chances of breaking his 4-game losing streak to Michigan and debate whether Ohio State fans would rather beat Michigan or repeat as National Champions. Finally, they discuss the Texas-Texas A&M Rivalry, the Ryan Lizza-Olivia Nuzzi drama and Bill Belichick & Jordon Hudson's love story. 03:15 - Lane Kiffin's Ole Miss problem 33:30 - Ohio State HAS to beat Michiagn 41:30 - Texas vs. Texas A&M 51:30 - Falling in and out of Love Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Joel Anderson, what's going all, Big Dog? Man, I'm glad to be here, man. How are you doing? You hang in here? Look at you accepting the reality of the situation. I'm not going to be abated. Well, actually, you know what? So I got two things.

I'm trying to figure out the direction I want to go right now. You got to figure out how you want to be a hater. Yeah, well, I'm just kind of figure out of the kind of show I want to have today, man. I was actually, because I came in here actually empathetic for you, man. I was thinking about Bumani when he was like 21, 20, 20. two years old. And he really wanted to go see one of his favorite artists.

James Brown. James Brown's in town, man. He's really looking forward to going. He ain't had nobody in his roster, so he couldn't go. He missed out, and then James Brown didn't live to make it too much longer.

And he never got to see James Brown. It's just sad that you didn't have nobody you could take to the James Brown show, man. What are you talking about? Yeah, man, you tweeted it other day. Yeah, yeah. No, I said, I didn't know.

nobody wanted to roll with me. That was a little less about the roster than going to see Jay's Brown. It's just like anybody want to go see Jay's Brown. Like that was a stretch. That was wild. It was just sad. I just felt sad.

You didn't have nobody do want to go with you. Let me tell you how dedicated this motherfucker is to be in a hater. You had, you realize what a stretch and how difficult it was. No, no, no.

You realize how difficult it was to try to turn to that story about something literally over half my life ago. I was just thinking about it. Sometimes that's a part of life. you just, I was just like, man, I was just, you know, I was thinking about the missed opportunities and, you know, you being in your room.

But if I was living like you was living, when I was living like you was living when you was in Oklahoma, you'd have had somebody to roll with you to the James Brown concert who, you know, might even look like you married James Brown. All right.

So I also want to say something about it. You might want to go to the happy places. I was just going to say, also, I was going to say, man, are you cheating? Are you cheating? You're not cheating? You sure?

You're over two, Joel. Okay, let's make a shit. All right. You're off, you're offered. All right. Well, I mean, you don't get to decide. The people will decide, not you. But anyway, I just think it's just sad that I have to come here

coming up with material to kind of keep you off of me because I just know how that's you were going to be. You didn't even, I mean, my name, my name. That material is not keeping me off of you. That material is telling everybody how correct. correct I am. But rather than talking to my good friend who simply is a hater, let's talk about somebody that I actually fucking hate. Man. Right? Like, like, like it's, okay, I need to stop saying that I hate this dude

because I don't know him and it's Lane Kiffin. And I was going to say I've never spoken to Lane Kiffin. But I have spoken with Lane Kiffin before because we had Lane Kiffin on HQ that same year he got fired on the tarmac. We had him because we used to get like the coaches from all the conferences used to go up to Bristol and they would do the car wash and they would go through and do all the shows. And so the pack 10 coaches up there one day, they'd all pull up in their polos, you know what I'm saying?

And so Lane Kiffickick-it comes on and we do the interview with that jerk. And then we get to the place where it's time to, you know, for Poppy to ask a question. And so we reset and I forget what question Poppy asked, but you know Poppy has this very thick accent and he asked the question of Elaine

Kiff Kiffin stops and goes, hey, speak English. Oh my God. Yes. So anyway, I have spoken to Lane Kiffin, and that is what happened. Wow. Yeah, anyway, now Lane Kiffin coach at the Ole Miss. At least I think he'll still be coaching at the Ole Miss by the time you guys hear this.

They say they're going to make an announcement after the Egg Bowl about what's going going to happen with Lane Kiffin's future. And the only thing that I can conclude thus far is, Lane Kiffin just messy, right? That's the only way to put this. He's just messy. word out that LSU has said they go off for $25 million of NIL on top of a $90 million contract, which is the kind of thing that your agent puts out there to tell Florida that they own the clock, because this is exactly what Trace Harbstrall and did with Tom Herman in 2016,

with LSU as the bait to get the number up, you know, to get to Texas, they wouldn't even about get the number up. It was hurry up and fire Charlie Strong because y'all ain't even did that yet, right? but this is this is the game that gets played and so either lane goes to florida or lane goes to ls u or lane stays at old miss to me the messiest thing that his little messy ass could ever do was go to old i mean go to um lsu because of how messy lsu is as a top to bottom situation like he's a fool if anything is at all close and he chooses to walk into the madness that is lSU in this moment man you know Well, first of all, I just, for a second, that situation that you described on the Lebertar show, man, what was it called?

What was it called? Highly questionable. Highly questionable. Yeah, okay. My bad was highly questionable with damn Lebertar, you know. But anyway. Hey, what? What are you doing?

Okay, just slow down. Let me just get, make the point here, okay? Let me slow down. I'll ask you what were you doing. And now you're telling me to slow down. You need to slow down. Wow. I was thinking of the Tana Hasi clip when they replayed.

Wow, that's really racist. That's really racist. Yeah, that's moving going through my head. I was like, wow, that's really racist. I was hot. Did y'all run that? Yes, we did. Yes, we did.

Oh, my God. I don't remember that. Yeah, we read that. And it was one of those things where like, like I guess this happened to white people sometimes when people say some wild shit to black people and the black person would be like, oh, man, that happens every day, dog. Dad seemed to take it in stride.

And I was like, yeah. You know, like, I'm new here. You know what I'm saying? I'm about ready to ride for the homie in this moment. Yeah. I just, anyway, why just, man, well, no wonder you feel that way about him. I mean, he's not a lot of people person. No, no, no, no, no.

That's a, that's, that's on the list. Part and parcel. I feel this way about him because he's, he's, he's, he's him. I hate the way that he walk, the way to he talk. I hate everything about Lane Kim. It's kind of crazy because, man, the thing is, if he could stay at old, and you can just kind of keep the hate distilled in one place. I don't have to be.

Right, right, right. I don't have to read the shoot. Yeah, right. It could be. I don't hate LSU. Right now, I don't hate LSU. I don't hate Florida, right? Right.

But, oh, so before we get back to Lake Kim, and I want to talk about this part right fast, because you're a great person to talk about this way. And I don't know if you saw this. But Stephen A made the point on first take that the brothers don't want to go in Oxford, Mississippi, that they would rather go to Baton Rouge. or they would rather go to Gainesville.

Paul Feinbaum took offense to that with the whole, you know, the South is different argument and so forth and so on. Raoul, I will say this. Have you ever been to Oxford? I've been through it. I've not stayed in a very long. Okay. So I have not been to Oxford.

Okay. But the Oxford, as I am told, is not so bad. Yeah. Right, like Oxford, the town. Stephen A. putting that in the context of the town, right? It's kind of like, but for white people, like white people are like Baton Rouge, looking at Baton Rouge kind of like yuck, but young black person. Yeah.

Baton Rouge sounds right on top. I got this right here. I got that over there on the other side of town. Oh, okay. So I got Southern and I got LSU. And New Orleans ain't that far away. Right, right, right, right, right, right, right. Right, right.

But I could understand somebody making the argument that Oxford is a place they would rather be than Baton Rouge or. or saying that they don't believe that Oxford is a town, racially speaking, is necessarily that much different, like in terms of animus or whatever, than bad roots. I would get that point.

However, I think what Stephen A was saying is reflective of men of a certain age, and I would say in this category, while Stephen A is older than you or I, we are men of the same age, and that's the age that remember. Oh, we remember. That's the age that remember that.

There's no circumstance under which I would, you're not going to fool me. You know what I mean? Like, there's no circumstance under which I would ever, if I was a father, approve of my kid going to play at Ole Miss, right? As long as they insist upon being called Old Miss, right? There's no way that that would ever happen. There's no way that I would ever go for that. I could understand if people disputed whether or not this was a generational thing, because I do wonder, like, how, you know, black kids grown up in this generation feel about old Miss.

because they weren't confronted with the signs that we saw. Like the first thing that I remember about an old Miss game was seeing Confederate flags flying in the stands. And how wild it is that they would even put that on TV. Yeah, man, that was a big part of the pageantry of the stadium in those days, right? And I mean, just from the colors to the iconography to the mascot itself, it is a real hard sell for black people of a certain age. And those people are parents now, parents and young grandparents.

And so when their kids are going to school there, they probably are those people are saying, hey, man, you sure that's something you really want to do? Well, and schools have to deal with that long legacy. Like the back and forth that we have about Texas football is in line with this, right? That if you are of a certain range, you know, and differences, like I say, my people did not grow up in Texas. Yours did, right?

So, like, they mean something different in that regard. But for those people who are of a certain age, University of Texas is not a place. It took a long time for them to overcome that. And as bad as Texas was on race, they might as well have been goddamn University of Houston compared to being Ole Miss. I mean, yeah, because the funny thing about it is that Texas in terms of like policy or whatever, it may actually been a little bit worse because they're the ones that came up

with the LSAT. Like they're the one, like, you know, they came away and they were the, I mean, again, I mean, this is sort of a victim of circumstance, but they had the last all white national champion in college football, right? But, I mean, I don't think it was probably the most racist place. But the thing about Ole Miss is not only the, it had that legacy of segregation and the fight over desegregation, but they just held on to the fight for so long.

Into the 21st century. That even Tommy Tuberville had to tell them, can you guys please put those flags down because it is hard to get people here? Right? It is hard to recruit here. They had to trick them into getting rid of the flags. And for people who don't know, the only reason they stopped waving those Confederate flags,

and it wasn't really big Confederate flags, it was little ones. and what they outlawed were the sticks. Yep. And they deemed that the sticks were a safety hazard. And that's how they were able to get people to stop waving the Confederate flag at games. But this is the part where I feel like people are dishonest and disingenuous on this matter. So why do you think Ole Miss isn't as good as the schools around them? You see what I'm saying?

Like, because look, on its face, Florida obviously is a great job. but Florida is a weird job because Florida is really three states in one. North Florida, Central Florida, and South Florida. You still have to recruit nationally to win at Florida, right? LSU even, you still have to recruit nationally to get it done. But with Florida, Florida has the advantage of being in the middle where like in Miami, for example, Miami and Tallahassee, that's not a drive. No, not at all.

It's like six hours, but like it's, you know, but it's, you know, but it's, yeah, they're in totally different places. you're not going to have that much luck getting North Florida kids to come down to play at Miami and vice versa. Right? I mean, there are obviously examples like Devante Freeman and Dalvin Cook going from Miami in this Florida state. But you get what I'm saying is that it's geographically a funny, you're not just getting every player you want out of the state of Florida. Absolutely. You know, just to go to the University of Florida.

It's not really how it works. Ole Miss, you got access to Memphis, right? Mississippi has a lot of football players. Isn't it shocking? Would you shock at how close Memphis is? to Ole Miss. 45 minutes away. I'm thinking it makes it even worse in my eyes

because I'm like, oh, they've always been close to Memphis. They could have been able to tap into that, but why do they think they've not been able to tap into Memphis all this year? Well, it's so funny. No, they know why they have it. First of all, they wouldn't try in that hard. You're right. Like somebody was made to point to me about the state of Mississippi

that the greatest running back in the history of the state of Mississippi. Probably the second, most of the greatest quarterback in the history of the state of Mississippi, and the second greatest quarterback in the history of the state of Mississippi, and the greatest wide receiver in the history of the state of Mississippi, none of them went to Old Mississippi State. And I am talking about Walter Payton, Brett Farr, Steve McNair, and Jerry Rice. Yeah, man.

Now, I've been told that Jerry Rice got an offer from Mississippi State, but they were running the bone. I'm not exactly sure. I think Emery Ballard was coaching then, so I'm not exactly sure. But none of those other guys got offers from the big schools. Like, Old Miss was so racist that you didn't offer Walter Payton. I mean, isn't it still not true that Jackson State has more Hall of Famers than Ole Miss and Mississippi State combined? It's got to be because they got five.

Yeah, right. So it was like, I mean, if you just want to know, like, for those people, that's also the thing. I'm like, hold on. I think Mississippi, I think Mississippi Valley might have more. They might. Because Mississippi Valley got two. See, yeah. I mean.

By the way. And the two are Deacon. Jones and Jerry Rice. I mean, that's some, I mean, just think about, I mean, things have really changed culturally in our country, but think about how racist you are to have not gotten any of, got in on any of those people, man. Think about how racist you, think about how races you are that Alabama was like, nah, dog.

Y'all better get with Dwayne. Right. Yeah. Yeah, I was like, man, can y'all please cool out some of that stuff? South Carolina got in line a little bit before Ole Miss on that front, right? By the way, Ole Miss with Patrick Willis just got their third. Okay. But they have three.

One's name is Bruiser-Kinnard. I mean, all players that I assume they went into Hall of Fame before, you know, the New World Order came into effect. Deakin Jones, I think, is like a duel. Like he went to South Carolina State and he went to Valley. I believe that's what the story is with him. South Carolina State, by the way, has four. Damn.

Yeah. Tic Carolina State has four. Jackson State has four. Four, right. Grambling has, I want to say, sick. No, gross, surprisingly. Grambling has four. Grambling only has four.

Okay. I thought it was more than ever. Grambling has four. Southern has three. Texas Southern has two. Mm-hmm. We can go on and on this. But anyway, people are not honest about this when it comes to Ole Miss.

like Stephen Gaffrey had the line once. Basically, it was something to the effect of Ole Miss wonders why it's not as good as Alabama, just like Texas wonders why it's not as good as Oklahoma, as if the answer isn't staring you directly in the face. Y'all was late to the game. And so to me, this, Ole Miss should not be a job that you feel like you have to leave

to go to LSU for or Florida. It shouldn't be. Like, to me, if Laine really got, the blackest state in the union. Right, right. Now that the money in the SEC is what it is, I do think that they have a younger alumni base that's got some bread that they can throw around.

You're no longer fighting off in large part what you and I have just been talking about in terms of historical legacy, except for the fact that's the only reason why you wouldn't be as good. Right. You know what I mean? So I see why like a cat like fireball would sound the way he does. For example, Ole Miss has had a black quarterback in the last 20 years.

which I cannot say about Georgia. Mm-hmm. Man, I guess, yeah, since Shockley. And look what it took for him to play. Yeah, man, damn. Justin Fields couldn't get on the field. Did DeWan Mathis go there? Am I making that up?

Is DeWan Mathis a kid that went to Georgia? Yeah, he did, but I have to say, I watched that young man play. He was wild up. He was real wild up. Like I understood what had gone down there. But, but yeah, so Ole Miss is a weird, old Miss is, it's an interesting discussion about Ole Miss, but Ole Miss should be a job that's good enough to stay at.

Like you've demonstrated that you can win a living, you've demonstrated that right now you can win 11 games at Ole Miss. You've shown that. You should not have to leave that to go to LSU or to Florida, neither of which I would argue in the last five years has been as good as Old Miss. No, not really, no. Right? And look, and I also say this about Lane. I think Lane's overrated. I think that we still treat Lane like he's a child, like he's not 50 years old. Like Lane just needs to turn the quarter. How many chances is Lane going to get? He's, he's had so many good jobs, whichever one of these jobs that Lane gets will be the third best job that he's ever had. Damn, that's right, because he had USC and he had, uh, the Oakland Raiders. Yeah, I mean, we're in a job. And by the way, Al Davis was right about that boy.

Yeah, that's true. Everything. He's an embarrassment. He is consistently in... Tennessee was a good job. And he embarrassed him. And he embarrassed him. And he embarrassed him just like Al said he would.

Embarrassed USC so bad, they fired him on the sideline. Well, they made the decision on the sideline. They fired him on the tarmac. I see, man, you really be driving in with the tarmac shit because you love to talk about how you got fired on the tarmac. That's the second time you about that tarmac. I love it. I love it.

Well, you have to remember. And for those who don't know in the year, 2013, they're standing on the side. Like, they are getting boat raced by Arizona State. I want to say they gave up something like 600 yards. They made it give it up like 60 points. Like it was, it was really bad. And so as the game is going on,

they're showing these clips of the athletic director on the sideline huddling up with somebody. And it's like, hey, guys, I think he's going to get fired after this game. It stops today. But we didn't. But we didn't have to say it stops now. It stops now. But they didn't even wait till the next day. They fired him.

The plane landed and they fired him right then and there. He has also gotten fired preparing for a bold game, not just any bold game, the national championship game, because Nick Saban felt like this guy was acting like too much of a cloud and not preparing for the game and focused on his next job. Well, fired him. How much of this is you bringing up old shit? because I mean look man I'm just going to I'm going to be open to the idea that I don't think lane Kiffin isn't a league coach right but I do think there is an argument to be made that it was really

tough to win at FAU he seems to be in the only person that has done that in recent memory yeah oh miss is for whatever people say about it now nobody thought about it the way that they think about it right now before he got there he's shown proof of concept those are places that are not really easy to win. But I also think that he's gotten some breaks, right, in those places that, like, he got the tail end of Alabama. LSU has not been operating the way that it should be operating, right? Arkansas is not really a threat to them. So, you know, he had an opportunity to feast in a way that a lot of other guys are. And then now he's going to have to compete against Texas and Oklahoma and Georgia is good. Now, so I think that that job is going to look in three years.

If he's not there, it's going to look a lot different. I think that he could continue to be nine to 10 win year coach at Ole Miss. To your point, I don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure if the lane thing works at LSU for all the reasons you said, like LSU appears to be a mess. They just, and they just had a coach that people don't like. Right, right. That's right.

Right. Well, I mean, that's the thing. Because, you know, my co-host, Van is an LSU fan. And he talks about, you know, men win at LSU. Not just coaches, men win there. And I'm like, so what about Lane Kiffin do you all like? then. Like, does he fit the archetype of the guy that you want to have is the face of your program? I just don't feel like, I mean, to the extent that people worry about culture fit, that's the thing.

I'm like, does he really fit there? I feel like the Florida feels like Florida feels like it's in third place right now, but it feels like that would be the best fit. Yeah, it feels like that would be the best fit for well, hold on. When did they get in third place? Because when this all started, he was in, they were in first place. He is the spiritual successor to Steve Sparrier. And I do think, though, that, this is something that is important that different places want different styles of play. Yes. And simply winning is not enough, right? LSU, they want to run the ball.

They don't necessarily want to run the ball every play. Like, obviously they were pretty happy with Jordan Jefferson, Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, and Joe Burrow, right? Right. But they got to look like that. But they want to run the ball. They had the first round pick at running back. Like, they want to run the ball, right?

Kevin Falk. Kendall Cleveland. Yes. Cecil the diesel. Seasel the Diesel Collins. Just, Vincent. Like, just evasive.

Yeah, don't kill you if you want to go back. Yeah, man. They run it for Nett, who is the quintessential LSU, you know, running back, right? Like, yeah, that's what they want.

They want to run the ball. Florida wants to play Lane Kiffin football. Yeah, man. Lane Kippin football with no Nick Sabin to tell him to run the ball can go off the rails at LSU fast. The other thing is I don't feel like Lanes demonstrated himself to be a guy

that go get the defense right. He might get the defense right, but you got to, you're going to need to, you're going to need to cut a big check and like hope that, and too bad for them, Dave Miranda did not get fired, right? Like, hope that Dave Miranda gets fired and moves comfortably into a world that I guess if it doesn't exist now, it will exist soon of the $6 million top flight defensive coordinator, right? Right.

That gets to be head coach of the defense. Allegedly, according to report, and he, he's shown a willingness to have Coach O on his staff, even if he go back to LSU, allegedly. Look, people think I'm joking. Ryan is tired of me saying this. The best coach for LSU to hire, just why y'all get this shit settled down and figure it out. Without question, is Ed O's Ryan.

You said, just get them back in the room together. It's like, hey, man, just look, they're going to be over for the house. Look, it's only going to be about three years, right? Like, get Ed, Ed, it'll get you the players that you want. Ed will get it done, right? You got to give, what happened to Ed was, and he's right about this, Ed had the brain drain happened to him. right, lost Joe Brady, lost Dave Miranda,

and of course, Ed lost his wife and was trying to hollet the ladies at practice by bringing their sons in. He told old girl at the gas station, apparently, what that got to do with me? She said she was married. He's like, what's the other thing? But his thing was not, I talked to somebody,

no, no, it was what it was. What's that matter is what he said. And I talked to somebody who made a very good point in defense of Ed Ogeron and that is. And O'Iron is such a maniac that he really might have wanted to work out with her. Like, like, that, he really, like, it is possible. But he's like, well, maybe he want to work out too. Like, this is, you know, this is, this is what it could be. But you said, so you'd say before the show you had a defensive lane. Was that a little meager

bit that you just offered the defensive lane? The defensive lane is that there's no good way to do this. And part of the problem is that the schools are being extremely stupid by, and I was just thinking about this, why are they fire their coaches so early in the year? You've, like, because Florida falls apart now. Like, Florida, the thing that I always said about Billy Napier and that staff, I was like, man, them boys play hard for him. They may not play well, but they play hard. And it looks like they've just kind of given up.

And LSU last night was struggling with Western Kentucky, you know, barely could put up, they couldn't even put up 20 points against Western Kentucky, man. So I'm like, why are they firing coaches so early? Why are they punting on the year? But you know why they are? It's early signing day. The early signing day was a useless, terrible decision. Yeah, because you're not going to be able to take advantage of it anyway under these circumstances.

Right. But you got to, but you can't. That we started seeing this move to these early fires. That is when we saw it happen. Who was it like Willie Taggart? He was one of the first. The Willie Taggart, Chad Morris year. Yeah.

Was a year of that. But it got to be like, we need. need to be able to start like clearing this out for whatever the future is going to be on that. And I, I agree with you that firing these coaches a month into a football season is preposterous. Yeah. You told the kids, you told the kids that the season doesn't matter anymore. You've given up. That is exactly what she said.

What are they supposed to think their coach isn't there anymore? They got a subject to teacher for the rest of the year. Yes. And they're not just doing it. They're doing it and they don't even know where they're going to get the money from. Bro, they don't know where they're going to get the money from. Okay, here's the thing. You fired Billy Napier, and we've known you were going to file a Billy Napier all this time.

Why can't you be like Virginia Tech and I already have your coach by now then? If it was going to be this anyway, like you were going to be coming down to the stretch and if that guy turns you down, you're going to have to go to plan B. Why didn't you just wait? But to be fair, Virginia Tech did not think that they were going to be lucky enough to see James Franklin get fired. And while there are many legitimate criticisms of James Franklin to be made, they, I mean, the difference between James Franklin and Lane Kiffin?

I would rather have James. I feel like James is going to be straight no matter way. Well, I will say this, though. There are more criticisms of James Franklin as a game day coach than there are of Lane Kiffin. Yeah. There are more criticisms of, and this is the big one, James Franklin as a developer of quarterbacks.

Or perhaps a ruiner of quarterbacks, depending upon who you talk to, than Lane Kiff. Lane ain't ruined no quarterback. He may make it a little bit too easy and you get fooled by what you got. there. But no, but they got Virginia Tech relative to the weight class that they are in. They made a great

hire. I mean, they're good. I mean, the program at Penn State was solid. Like, if the, if the big thing is that they couldn't beat Ohio State or they were throwing into the end zone in the semifinals and didn't beat Notre Dame and that was, you know, they didn't come up in the what? Hold on. In the what?

Semifinals. What semifinal? The college football The whole country, semi. Yeah, the whole country, yeah. Yeah, the whole Country, yeah. Bro, they could have played in the national championship game last year. They could have played it. It was that close, right?

And I just, you know, Penn State, they got, they fired James Franklin. It all fell apart. I guess they, you know, like you said on here, they were tired of him. They didn't want to go on. They were ready to move on. But, okay, has it helped you? Like, early sign-a-day is pretty soon here. Where's your guy?

Where's the guy that you had? If you were to fire James Franklin, you should. I mean, you should upgrade, right? That's the thing, right? Yeah. I applaud the coaches that looked around and said to them, like Baylor did with Dave Miranda. Yeah.

They looked around and they're like, yeah, no, not right now. Not right now. I mean, I think North Carolina is ultimately going to punt the Belichick decision. They're just going to make them get, what's his name out of there? Oh, Lombardi. Yeah, Lombardi just going to have to get out of there. But, you know, it's some other jobs where I think they've looked around.

I don't know if Florida State can afford to bring Norville back. just because the milk dunked all is so bad. But they ain't got the money so they might not have a chance. USC clearly is stuck on this. Yeah, man. I feel like. That is a failed experiment. I want to see Lincoln another year because he's going to have the number one

rank recruiting class coming in. It does seem like this is the year that you can kind of see, okay, he finally has a defense. If he can keep Danton Lynn, the defensive coordinator, and they can build on that, and they bring in that number one ranked recruiting class, I kind of feel like USC is in position. The only game that they lost this year that you really are like,

why did y'all lose that game is Illinois. And like the dynamics of it traveling early, playing out there, you know, the traveling everything. I mean, that's just going to be part of it. But I feel like that wasn't, you know, like that's the game. It's like, oh, damn, they would have been in the playoffs. They're going to forever hate that. I mean, I guess it was a decision that they had to make.

But that big 10, they, they, I think goal. Interestingly enough, I think going to the Big Ten made Oregon somehow a better looking job. Yeah. Made USC a worse looking job. And I don't know what to say about Washington. You know what I mean? Like it's just a, and turn UCLA into Northwestern.

I mean, man. But I guess UCLA has kind of been Northwestern for the last 30 years. But I don't. I just don't. I think that argument about those flights is real. And there are more flights and there are more flights to be had for them. then there are for other people. The problem is what Lincoln doesn't get is

ain't no time to whine, baby. Ain't nobody trying to hear it. And they're sick of his shit, but I think they're stuck with him for another year. I mean, I think they're stuck. I mean, you may be right that that may not be as great a fit as people thought, but I feel like next year,

it'll be the really sort of the pivot year for him. It's like, this is just Franklin year. It's like, all right, you got your number one rank. I guess it's my, I think May Iava is a junior two, so he'll get the comeback next year too. So I think they'll be okay. But, yeah, I mean, I would say, that move to the Big Ten.

Because it was like, well, USC had the West Coast on lock, bro. And it's just like, now that everybody's open out here and I was like, well, Oregon's got more money, the program, the proof of concept. It's like, if it's all going to be far away, I might as well go up there, you know? Yeah, and I think that's the other part too is that, and this is the thing I felt when Texas A&M went to the SEC and why it was so bad for the Big 12. That just meant that Alabama was coming in and getting Texas players. but Texas A&M wasn't getting no Alabama players.

Right, right. You know what I mean? Ole Miss was coming in and getting Texas players because the door had been open. Oh, they got that tackle out of Allen. Remember the year that Hugh Freeze and them, they feasted on dudes. They feasted on catch out of Texas.

His final three, I want to say, were Old Miss, LSU, and Alabama. But that's the point I'm making is that I don't, I think that California became more, and I need to look at what's actually happening. But I would assume that California got a lot more open to the Big Ten in a way that Ohio, did not get that open to USC. But we're going to take break right fast coming up.

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Ohio State is going to win the, going to beat Michigan this time, aren't they? I think so. I mean, have you seen Michigan play this year? I have not seen them play this year. I mean, they're not good from what I've been able to. They're not an entertaining watch. You know what it is?

Even with that quarterback. Yeah, they're just not. I mean, he's, I feel like he hasn't developed in quite the way I expected them to this year. And I'm just like, well, maybe they don't have a great receiving Corps, right? So that's a big, that's a big part of it. Like, they had a freshman emerge recently, Andrew Marsh, but they're still sort of limited on the edge. And so it's like the big thing for them would be next year. Like, all right, what does he look like? What does he look at

receiving core look like? But they just, I don't, I feel like they got to fight to get to 21. And if Ohio State is in the right frame of mind and Ryan Day is about his shit, they should blow Michigan out. But I stopped that last year, too. That's about to say. I thought that last year too. There's a big button and you cannot lie. There it is right there. So I did not realize that Michigan had gone nine and two so far this year because I just

talked to Michigan fans and they are ready to rush Roe Brown out of there. They, you know, and this happens, but this often happens. But look, they're nine and two. The losses have not been bad. I mean, the margins were not great, but the losses I would argue have not been bad. I don't think they've beaten too many people this year. I think that's the argument to be had. And all of this is why Ryan Day might want to make sure they go out here into the big house

and put up some numbers. I mean, man, the thing is, though, so what do you think? If he went, if he loses that game somehow, inexplicably, okay? And then goes on and wins the national championship. I just, I don't know, and I guess I would want to hear from Ohio State fans how they would feel about that because I know it's frustrating to them. Like, it's not, they don't feel the same. They would much rather win that game than win a national championship.

Do you think so this year? For real. Let me ask you a question. This is serious. Ohio State won a national championship in 1968. Yeah. They did not win another national championship until 2002. Right.

Nobody criticizes John Cooper for not winning a national championship. Nobody criticized Earl Bruce for not winning a national championship. There is credit given to Jim Tressel for winning a national championship. But what Jim Tressel really gets credit for is beaten Michigan over and over. That is a one-game job. But what is interesting about Ohio State is I've always felt the people in charge are still fairly reasonable. And if you are doing okay at the other stuff, you can keep your job while you keep losing. So it's not like Ryan Dale get fired if they lose to Michigan.

Just telling you, the national championship does not soothe that pain. That's true. I guess you're right. Yeah, I mean, the funny thing about it is that it was, I feel like this was in very recent memory, that people were getting sick of Jim Harbaugh because they were underperforming and losing to Ohio State, right? And Ryan Day only had like one or two of those wins maybe over him. And so it kind of flipped on him.

But I just like, I think if you have. have a great coach. And maybe I'm talking about what I would want to see in the world if I was Ohio. Because it feels like if I was Ohio State fan, I'd be really happy, man. My roster is so talented. The season is not very dramatic. We're great. We're always playing. Like you said, we got a one or two game season. And we know we're going to be good other than that. Isn't that? Don't you want to cherish that and hold onto that for as long as you can? Yes, but I think this is the disconnect. They don't think the coach has anything to do with that. They think, that, and I think they're right.

They've got an argument. We could go, we could get somebody else to do this. Like, it's, their argument is that it's not that hard to find a coach to win at this rate at Ohio State. Now, while they might be right, the counter argument is this. The two coaches that they've had in the course of the last 25 years who have done this are two of the greatest coaches of all time. Yeah.

Like, no matter what it is we say about urban, urban is a bad. dude, man. Like, I mean, Ann Irvin is a bad dude. I mean, look, Bo. I was like, if LSU somehow just like, fuck it, let's just get Urban and they could convince them, I would be scared.

I would be scared for, like, four years. Yeah, for four years, yeah. Yeah. Four years. But, like, for four years, you're absolutely right. And look, Tressel, Tressel got, Tressel, Tressel did work, man.

He did, man. They were very good, proke. It's not my kind of, it ain't my kind of football. But, but Tressel, Tressel did work. work. But no, they just think we're going to get somebody else. I mean, we don't need you to get this done. I suppose. I mean, and I, you know, Ohio State has better reason to say that than anybody else in this country. Like, even Oklahoma can't say that.

Like, so, no. Ohio State, the only time I've really seen them not be good in my lifetime was that year Luke Fickle had them. And even that year, but there were circumstances. Yeah, there was a trial prior out of school. Yeah, right. And all this happened in February. Right. It was a mess of a, it was a mess of an offseason. And so they really kind of punted on that year. But yeah, man. And then the next year they went and then the next year they went undefeated. 12. 12. So that's what I'm saying. Like, I just, I don't know, man. I feel like Ohio State is going to win this game and it's going to be right with the world in order. And then the next, then it'll be like, all right, man, Sharon, you on the clock. Like next year, it'll be your black ass on the line. But what was, but what was your caveat? when we said all this just a minute ago.

Oh, yeah, I thought that last year. I thought it all last year. I thought it all last year. And by the way, that national championship don't mean nothing right now based on that. That's a fair point. I mean, to think I always, they say that they were not going to fire him last year, right?

If they're not, if he's wrong, a 14? No, I'm talking about Ohio State. Yeah, no, that's the part I think people don't get. If it had been a 14 playout, they said they wouldn't fight. But it would have been, the feelings would have been so hard. No, no, that's the thing.

They're not going to fire. Alabama doesn't fire you. Yeah. You leave. Yeah. That makes it so you can't stay. Yeah. Or not even make you say you say,

they don't have to like, I guess the Pete, the big you, big thing make you say it. But you look around yourself and you're like, no, man, I just don't, I just don't think I want to do this.

Like at some point, Kailam DeBore is going to look around and just be like, no, like if somehow he'd get his ass beat this week, which I don't think it's humanly possible. But I quit, I'd quit before I got back to my car. So that's two interesting things

about this week. Did you see there was a report and I think it's called the Center Times reported that Kalin DeBore as the top target for Penn State? Yeah. Every good job should call and see. Yeah, I was like, mm, that actually kind of makes sense.

It might be your lucky day. Right? Because, well, I don't know enough about Alabama like if they got their money game right, if they got the alignment that you need to do this. Because if you don't, hey man, you need to look around. Like, like, I mean, Nick Saban almost left for Texas. And Texas blew it.

They had it, right? And look, and everybody talks about what a hassle that job is. And Nick Saban looked at Alabama with all the winning that he was doing and was like, no, no. Hey, look, man, Bear Bryant had one bad post-integration year. He quit his job and died a month later. Yeah, died a month later. I know, man. Yeah.

Died a month later. But it is rivalry week. We've talked a bit about these games. Lange turned out to be a richer topic of discussion. But Texas, Texas A&M play. This is, this appears to be the best Texas A&M team of all time. Wow. That's a, man, you know what?

I mean, it's actually not that long a list to discuss. So like 91. Here's the way I'm going to put it. You remember that time A&M had a good offense and a good defense? Because those, because those Slocum teams were just all, Recruit crew, all defense, Bucky Richardson, Lance Pavlis, like, other medial quarterback. But you know what it was?

It was like Dante Hall. Yeah, they were. But then they'd get to those cotton bowls against Notre Dame or whoever it was. And they couldn't score no points. Like they were clearly a tier below. That's not the case right now. Now, they almost got handled in that game against South Carolina. Now, look, I don't rule for Texas anymore, but I'll hate A&M to the day I die.

And I don't really hate them. I just don't think. think very much of them. That's a better way to put it. You don't want to see them happy. It's kind of funny to see them frustrated. It's more than kind of, right? There's no way for them to get back down to eight wins, which is generally what the Texas A&M season is, is eight wins. Keep in mind, a school that hasn't won a conference championship since 1988. 1998, 1999, yes. Yeah, put some respect on. Yeah, sorry, sorry, 1999. But a few things brought me joy, like last year, that game that they had been waiting 13 years for,

their opportunity to play. And look, that's a game that Texas is not supposed to have any chance at winning. It's the same way Bill Curry really got run out because he lost that first game that they had played in Auburn in like 50 years. Right, right. There was no chance that Alabama was ever going to win that game, right? Like there's just some games you're not going to win. The environment is going to be such that you have no chance of winning that game.

That's what that was. And for those who don't know, they had historically played the Iron Bowl and Legion Field in Birmingham. But that was really an Alabama home game every year. And so for years, Auburn had fought and they finally got the game on campus for 1989. They've been playing the game on campus basically since.

They got the game back for 1989. Alabama was not going to win that game. Alabama went into that game 10 and 0. They lost it, 10 in 1. They lost the Sugar Bowl to the National Champion Miami Hurricanes, 10, and 2. They basically ran Bill Curry off his job immediately after. Okay. I thought that they'll say no way Texas A&M can lose that game. They haven't played this game.

It's 2011. They've won it this game so bad. The self-esteem of that entire university is relative to what it is, the University of Texas. And they lost. And I don't even remember it being close. They just lost. That was a good Texas team, though, man. Yeah, I hear you, but you hear me, right?

Oh, I hear you. So now the game is back at Austin. It's the first time this game has been played in Austin in 15 years. Right. Texas still, look, they're not the team people thought they were going to be. No. I would argue that Arch is much better than he was to start the year. Absolutely. And they still got boys.

Like, A&M should win this game. And if A&M doesn't win the game, they're probably still in the playoff. And it'll be funny if they lose. A&M is good, but they're not so good that you look at them against Texas and say, oh, they should be able to handle them. Like, they're going to have to fight. Like, that is going to be a very, difficult game for them. I mean, they almost lost to

a bad team. Also, I mean, I mean, the thing, the knock against A&M and its conference schedule this year is that they have not played any of the good teams. Like, they've only played teams at the bottom half of the league so far. So we don't know what it's going to be like. I mean, I guess they did square up against Notre Dame earlier

in the year and really, and really, I mean, they got kind of lucky in that game, but they squared up and Notre Dame looks like one of the best teams in the country right now. So they should, they've got a lot of talent, but it's just like, man, even when Texas looks bad, you're still like, man, they've got, you know, they still got talent on the defense. Like, like, and you tell me about this, we haven't talked about this with you.

Texas has never had anybody like Colin Simmons my entire life. Colin Simmons is 101 for Texas. They've never had that guy before, right? Anthony Hill is really good. They've got a great secondary. They've got a lot of talent over there. Okay. I'm just sitting here thinking about this because you're right.

Like, Simmons is, so you mean specifically as a, from like a, a, defensive end. Yeah, from a defensive end. Like, Iraq Po is the only the closest. Sergio at, like, when they had Iraq Poe and Sergio at the same time, it was they were nasty.

But I just feel like Colin Simmons is going to be like top five pick guy. Like, he's going to be like one of those defensive end guys or one of those past rushes that like the league is going to scoop up. Like, you know, Abdul Carter. Yeah, I think that's fair. Yeah, because I would say just as a defensive player,

Right? Yes. Derek Johnson is way high on the list. With Derek Johnson changed, I feel like, like, again, before that, my image of Texas linebackers were like Tommy Novice, you know what I mean? But it's also just a state that doesn't produce linebackers. Yeah, yeah. Like, Derek Johnson, the best liebacker of this in the state prior to Derek Johnson,

like when you put it all together is Jesse Armstrongstead. And there's a lot of years between Jesse Armstrongstead and Derek Johnson. And we don't really have that much to talk about post Derek Johnson. It's just a state that doesn't produce linebackers for whatever. Which seems weird because it's a state that produces running back. So many great athletes, yeah, you would think, I'm sure. I'm forgetting somebody. Yeah, I mean, like the Royland Bradley's, all those guys that they were good in college,

but they just never, you know, they didn't become the NFL guys. We spent Mike Singletary, though, H-town legend. That is true. You know? I just, I, my thing about them, though, is that I just, I don't know, man. I think Colin Simmons is just kind of a one-on-one, like an honest. not Andre Wadsworth, but just like in the, in the vision of all the elite defensive ends wherever I've seen before.

The other guy that I'm thinking of, too, on defense, though, that you didn't mention, but I know you will, you remember when I say his name, Earl Thomas. Earl Thomas was the kind of guy to Texas had never really had before either. Earl Thomas is Texas as Ed Reed. Yeah, you could say Earl is the, I'm trying to think, like, better defensive players that Texas is, like, how far do I need to go before Earl to get to one as good as Earl? because we are taking a RACPo off the list, for example. Okay.

We're taking, I mean, I'm saying. But, like, I think Earl was a better player than a Rackpo was. And that's as a red shirt sophomore. We only got two years of Earl playing there. We're talking about Earl. We're talking about, like, this list is like, we're looking at a rackpo. Earl was a better player. I think Sergio Kendall was.

I mean, yeah, bro. Yeah, Earl was that dude. Yeah, man. I mean, all the great Texas guys now have all happened within our lifetime. And it's like a new thing because, again, as we mentioned earlier, kind of the old shit, them guys went to A&M. They went to Florida State. They went to Oklahoma.

They went to Miami. They went to Miami. Yeah, Texas didn't get those guys. And that's why I'm like, oh, Colin Simmons is the kind of guy that we were growing up. It'd have been like David Warren. Like, he would have gone to Miami or something like that, you know, I guess now, you know, LSU. Yeah, it started turning interestingly with McAvick.

And then Mac Brown was just kind of like, hey, man, like, I can't I can't keep it Stop asking me to keep answering For them other white men You know what I'm saying Yeah right yeah They let him into Dallas car He talked his way into Dallas Carter man

You know what I'm saying Matt got gang boy Have you ever Have you ever been to an M Texas game? Oh no I haven't I have not been in either of those stadiums Which are you remember I moved out 16 I haven't been back at a long top

Oh dog Well first of all I'm not really trying to go to Kyle's station I think you need to go I think you need to spend a Saturday in Kyle Field, man. I really do. I've done it a few times, and I was there in, like, 97. So that was the last one before the bonfire, right? The bonfire was in 98.

99? Okay. Yeah, so then that's right. Because, let's see, the game the next year, 98 was in Austin. Yeah. Okay. Can you fight? Because if you can fight, we can go.

I don't know if I can fight anymore. We're going to find out, I think. You'll be okay. You'll be okay. You'll be all right. Those are actually your people. You know what I'm saying? They write down the street from me.

They are. They really are. Like, look, my high school is a Maruda White High School. Aggie Moore Hill was the... Like, I'm very familiar with the archetype. And it's interesting because I don't dislike them. Yeah. But you get them around 100,000 others.

It's an interesting play. I just think it's a very unique environment in college football. And like, I mean, I don't know if this... And people, A&M fans tell me if there's still a thing, the stadium would shake. Like the press box would shake because of the game. It's got some pedantry, man. I think it's a big part of it. And it's a good place to watch a game.

But Texas isn't quite the same, but Texas is still a fun play. That game in and of itself is something that you need to go to. Well, look, you and I have talked about this. We've talked about doing a Texas Oklahoma. We've talked about doing a Texas, Texas A&M. The difference between you and I, of course, is you are married with children. So it's a little more difficult for you to, like, carve out space. But come make it happen, Big Da, I'm down.

If you're down to make it happen, I don't make it. I want to do this. I want to do it. I think I want to do the OU Texas thing, though. That'll be easier because it doesn't interfere, have like a holiday wrapped around it. Let's say we're going to do it. 2026. People listening right now.

Let's say, let's go ahead and, you know, because I'm saying, man, I'll do it. Okay. Please believe that. As long as I get enough heads up, I can do it. And man, yeah, bro. Your heads up is 10 months. I'm saying right now. Okay.

Then I'm going to ask. Okay. I'm going to ask. I'm an ask. But have you been at the state fair in Texas? I have, it's been, I have been once. It's been a very, very, very long time. Oh, bro. Oh, so fine. But you know what I hate as you just talk about having to ask your wife if you can make this trip?

We can't have paid like that. No, I mean, because you're married. I mean, it's life. I get it. Like, I'm not saying that with judgment. But I admit for us, we're not going to have time. Maybe we'll try this another time to talk about, I'm going to talk about this maybe tomorrow. I'm going to talk about this on Monday.

That is, newsy and Lizzo and dignity. stink lack thereof. Man, bro, look, man. I think with the lizard thing is that, like, you can hate somebody so much and be so done with them that you're just willing to humiliate yourself. You're going to stay yourself on fire in the same process.

I hate you so much. Yeah, right. Like, we're going to I'm going to shoot you and kill myself. You know what I'm saying? Look, I'm going to just drop this line right now and maybe I'll drop it later when I talk about another point if I talk about another point. But I need everybody to understand this. I can't remember if I said this in the in the chat or not. But fellas, that story about that time that your girl cheated on you and you took her back and then she cheated on you again, that story is not going to play for you.

There's no way that you can dress this story up. There's nothing that you can put in this story. And that's what this Ryan Lizzie guy does not understand. There's nothing that you can do to the story about the time that your girl cheated on you and you took it. Like, women can perhaps tell that story and be like, man, see, they ain't shit, right? Yeah, girl, they ain't shit. That's not, especially not no woman 20-something years younger than you. Bro.

Like, this is not, this is not, uh-uh. I'm not trying to judge. Hold on. The woman you left your wife and kids. Well, that's the thing. Like, you're just not going to be a sympathetic figure in the middle of all this, bro. I mean, I can imagine that this is tremendously of humiliating. and that like to go through the world

with people knowing that about my life, that would be really hurtful. But like, bro, you're just not the person that people care about in this situation, man. Like, you just are not, like, nobody did you wrong. Like, this is what you signed up for. And so for people who don't know what happened, we'll get through this right quick.

Ryan Lizza is a famous political writer. This woman, Olivia Newsie is a famous political writer. They used to be together. A man left his wife and kids for her. She is much younger than him. Like 20-7 years. Yeah, anyway. She's like early 30s now.

31, 30. to? Long and short, she had done a profile to Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and fell in love with him, and her man caught her somehow, some way. And so she got pulled off of, she had to, you know, get pulled off to covering election stuff because, you know, she had a relationship. She said was non-sexual. Not really the point. And so she has written this book that talks about all the stuff that she's been doing. And now her ex-boyfriend is now writing his stuff about the stuff that she was doing. And it's just turning this big old messy thing that also

involves Keith Oberman, because she used to date Keith Oberman and the dude Ryan Lizzer wrote in his newsletter about how Oberman had given her $15,000 worth of Cartier jewelry and Tom Ford dresses and everything else. And my favorite part of this is Keith Oberman being like, brother, I was with her for four years and I was making a lot

of money. What you think I was supposed to do, you know? He was like, he was like, it ain't trick it if you got it, home, boy. He's like, yeah, I put her through school. Yeah, like he put it through all this. He was like, do you know how rich I am? Do you understand what my paper on? Oh, he's like, you sound broke.

That's me. He's like, you sound like, you sound broke. And I ain't going to lie. My attitudes about spending on women definitely changed as my pockets deal. Yeah, right. Right? Like, but he was just like, no, this is what it is. Like, I can't.

And this is true. After you get to a certain point, there's some things you have to do. You ain't got to do them all. But, oh, my God, it was just so bad. But this dude has written out all these stories. And none of them make, they all make him look like, a first-class selt. A first-class silt.

And these other cats is like, I'd rather be a trick than a sump. Yeah, man. I mean, just makes you look like a sucker. But again, man, love will make you do crazy things, man. Yeah. And, you know, I think that I don't, you know, I don't know the particulars here.

I don't know these people I've never spoken to them before. But I imagine, man, you know, you probably, again, this is kind of like the Billichick situation. He probably never thought he was going to see a young naked body again. And he got to do it. And now it's hard to let it go. So he's just, well, all right, baby. All right, come.

on home. I'll take care. The only thing I was saying about Belichick, though, is Belichick seemed a whole lot happier with his woman that this Ryan Lizzie got seen with his. Oh, yeah, man. Y'all say whatever you want about Billiichick, man. The part I keep coming back to is I never seen this man look that happy. I can tell you about what I saw him pull up at that pop up at the Super Bowl. You could tell him he ain't had the baddest thing in the room and Sierra was in that room. Look, but they clowning him for going to that adult cheerleading competition thing.

He's exactly where he wants to be. Yo, I was like, when I saw that, that's when I was like, you got it, big dog. Yeah, man. You got it. Like, that was really kind to you. You know what I'm saying? Oh, baby, I'm going to support you, man. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, it sounds like, like, it sounds like you doing what you're supposed to do in this guy? Yeah, man, this is a relationship, you know. This is her little activity. I think that was the part that got me. It was like, isn't that what you do? Yeah. She goes to his games.

I thought that's what love was. And clearly, this cheerleading stuff is very important to her. her because she still does it. I mean, man. And you can't, I mean, you can't cheerleading is a very involved activity. Like, you can't just like fuck around and do it every nine again. Yeah, I saw that. And my thought honestly was good for them.

Yeah, man. Everybody just wants to just talk so bad about him. I'm like, hey, man, this man looks really happy. And she seems very capable of making her own decisions. Yes, look, bro. She's capable of making her own decisions and some of his. I can understand if his family is perturbed. And there's reporting around that decision.

I saw that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's just kind of like, look, man, sometimes you got to let people find out for their self, man. You know, you're not going to talk him out of loving her. He's going to have to fall out of love with her. Right, right, right, right. That's Joel Anderson.

Check him out at the ring of tailgate. Check him out at the press box. Or occasionally check him out on my show, hating all me in my face. Yeah, I mean, you started it. And so I think everybody can see that again. You know, I said, no, the only thing I said was that you be hating. And then you immediately started hating.

That is not starting it. I kind of feel like it is, but that's fine. I call it a hater, a hater, and the hater started hating it. I'm just glad I can spend time with you, brother. You know what I'm saying? I'm proud of you, all the work you've been doing. You've been doing a great job just hearing more shows for me to listen to. You know, I'm going to say things like that.

You know what I'm saying? What's my mother used to say about me? Because she called me a contrarian as a kid. And she'd be like, I'm going to redirect your energy. You know what I'm saying? So I'm redirecting your energy right now. I'm just going to say right quickly. when a mother calls her child a contrarian,

it's because he's too young for her to say asshole in front of them. I probably, I mean, I was, as my aunt said to me when I told her that my son was the freest Anderson had ever lived, she was like, well, you were pretty free too. And I was like, fair enough, fair enough. I'm getting it back. Ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here on The Right Time. We do this four times a week. Ryan Brumley handling everything behind the scenes.

Thank you, sir. hit the voicemail line 3-2-3-5-9-6-7-67. I'll also tell Joel after the break I peeped the little sneakness he tried to play all me. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. I'll talk to guys in a couple of days. See that sweatshirt. Take it easy.