The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Joel Anderson on Why Muhammad Ali lighting the Olympic Torch Still Defines Atlanta 1996 | 7.23

Episode Date: July 23, 2026

Bomani Jones is joined by journalist Joel Anderson for a Time Machine Thursday edition of The Right Time, looking back at the cultural impact and unforgettable moments of the 1996 Summer Olympics in Atlanta. Bo and Joel examine how the games put a growing Atlanta on the global map and navigate the city's complex history as a cultural hub in the 1990s. They count down the most defining figures and legendary stories from the games, starting with Muhammad Ali's deeply symbolic lighting of the Olympic torch. They also revisit the jaw-dropping grit of gymnast Kerri Strug competing through a severe injury to win gold for the American team.1234Later, they dive into one of the era's great tragedies: how the feds and media rushed to judge security guard Richard Jewell following the Centennial Olympic Park bombing. Finally, they celebrate the incredible athletic achievements on the track, discussing the complicated legacy of long-jump icon Carl Lewis and the absolute dominance of Michael Johnson flying to a historic world record in his signature gold spikes . . . Subscribe to Supercast for Ad-Free Episodes: https://righttime.supercast.com/ Buy 'The Right Time' merch: http://therighttimebomani.com/ Subscribe to The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Spotify, Apple or wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok for all the best moments from the show. Download Full Podcast Here: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6N7fDvgNz2EPDIOm49aj7M?si=FCb5EzTyTYuIy9-fWs4rQA&nd=1&utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-right-time-with-bomani-jones/id982639043?utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Follow The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Social Media: http://lnk.to/therighttime Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It is a time machine Thursday. Well, we will talk about the other things for the 1996 Summer Olympics with our guests. Check him out at Durangor Tail. and on the press box, Joel Anderson was going on. Yeah, what's up? You're going to do it with me or no? Hell no. Okay.

That's fine. That's fine. No, no, no, no. That's fine. Maybe one day. That's kind of like that time Pablo tried to get me to do some Dragon Ball Z shit on the show one time. There was something called a fusion dance.

And I was like, boy, you got me bent. I know that you're in a rush to get through this, but you don't compare raising the roof to Dragon Ball Z. You can't do that. You just can't. Hey, Joel, Joel, you raised the roof in 2026. Look, man, we're looking back. We're looking back right now.

That's fair. That's fair, but you do that all the time. All I'm saying is, I can compare them. I could not compare them in 98. I can compare them today. I don't think it's fair comparison, but that's fine. I know you don't. I know you don't because you somehow think that you doing this shift,

that this 1996 thing is cooler than the anime piece. And I'm not sold. I would argue, I mean, Zero just released a video for Mo City Don the other day. So we're bringing things back now. You know what I'm saying? So the 1996 Olympics. I'm curious about this for people because that was in Atlanta. And something that is interesting to note about the Atlanta Olympics is that's the last time they had the Olympics, the summer Olympics,

in a city of that size. And by that size, I mean a city that small. After that, it's gone big mega cities after that, right? Sydney, Athens, Beijing, London, Rio, Tokyo, Paris. Like, that is where it went. Atlanta, which got the games in part because of the Coca-Cola relationship, and I think the Delta Airlines part also had something to do with it. There was a feeling that it was a little not ready for prime time,

Barcelona, for what it's worth, was a little not ready for prime time, but the image of Barcelona changed completely after those Olympics. Like, that introduced Barcelona to the world. But I have always been curious for people who did not have an Atlanta familiarity at that time if the Olympics played a role, because this is the beginning or in the middle of the rise of the visibility of Atlanta. Right. I think if, I guess it kind of depends on the two Americas thing, right? because if you're black and it's the 1990s, Atlanta isn't quite yet the center of culture,

but it's becoming one of those places, right? Like all of your favorite, even Tupac was living in Atlanta by 1996, right? There's, you know, the movies that are coming out of there, the TV shows. I mean, if you watch school days, for instance, for Spike Lee, like you kind of had a visage of what Atlanta was, but no, obviously it didn't compare to like Los Angeles. because I remember watching the Olympics in 1984 just a little bit. And Atlanta didn't have anything like the Colosseum, you know? And so I was, if you were alive at that time, you're like,

how is Atlanta going to have something that looks like the Coliseum there? Because I didn't, the Omni. I don't think the Omni was going to do that or, you know, wherever the Braves played at that time. I mean, I mean, they built a hell of a stadium for it, though. They did. They did. But we didn't know, like, what Atlanta was. And, and again, I'm from Houston.

I was like, why is Atlanta getting it over Houston? Right? That's the most Houston thing in the world to say. Like this had anything to do with Chau? No, it's just like Atlanta not that much bigger than us. Like if it's not going to be the greater New York area, if it's not going to be Los Angeles, maybe Chicago would have been a place that would have been in the running.

But to pick Atlanta, that was really, really unique. And they had to do a hell of a sales job and maybe sweeten the pot if, you know, you're to believe with the I. seed needed to make that work. Well, what I find interesting and you're saying that about Houston, again, my Atlanta familiarity was a little more personal at that point.

I always, Atlanta was just a lot more cracking than Houston was. So like the idea, like, Houston never seemed like a place to me that you might have the Olympics. In my mind, because of my experience, Atlanta seemed more like a place where this would happen.

But no, by 1996 and in 1996, Houston's super crack into Houston. Right. Outside, not so much. Atlanta was at that point now, in part because of Freaknik and other things. Somebody would pull up to Atlanta for a weekend and be like, dog, I don't, you'll never believe this. Like, I didn't know it was possible for a place like this to exist. Like, Houston, even at its dopest, is not unbelievable. Atlanta as a notion was unbelievable, especially to black people when they pulled up.

Well, absolutely. Atlanta was, at that point, was like, becoming the capital of black America. You know, I mean, I guess there's always been so many chocolate cities. There's been D.C., New Orleans, and Atlanta was sort of asserting itself in that hierarchy right then. And yeah, Freaknik had a lot to do with that. And I would also, again, I would also argue school days and a lot of the other movies that were in and out of Atlanta at that time sort of left an indelible impression on folks. And yeah, it's fair to say Houston was sort of a second tier city at that point. Nobody would go to Houston and hang out. Like you lived in Houston, but you didn't go to hang out in Houston.

Atlanta was one of those places that you would go down there. And even I knew this as a kid because I had a. a good friend of mine who moved to Atlanta, his parents moved Atlanta when he was in college. And it was like, oh man, you down there in Atlanta, man. Tell me what it's like, what's going on? What's popping down there? And so, like, yeah, I could, but I didn't

know what white folks thought of Atlanta at that time, right? I'm going to be honest with you. I still don't know what white folks thought of Atlanta. Like, Atlanta's the ultimate to America City in that regard. Like, this is now almost 15 years ago, but I went out one night with Spencer and he had me in some mid-eastern,

bar, right, that I'm there. And it dawned on me that in all that time, by then, I'd been around Atlanta in like some capacity for like 15 years. Yeah. I had never been out with a white person before. Makes sense. And I'm not somebody who doesn't hang out with white people. That's just how Atlanta gets down. Oh, absolutely. I mean, you know, I would, I guess maybe a lot of southern cities like that, but it certainly makes sense in Atlanta. And here's what we can talk on. This is a book that we're both familiar with, white flight by Kevin Cruz. And if you read about Atlanta, Atlanta is shifting a lot at that point, right? Like the suburbs are getting larger. White folks are giving up on it because at that point, black political leadership is taken

over. But there was still the white businesses. And they had reached sort of a truce by that point. But in terms of like where white folks live, they were increasingly moving out of the city and moving Well, they've been gone by the end. Yeah, well, yeah, that's right. 80s, the 70s. The exception of a couple pockets, they, white, they gave up fast. Yeah.

Like, the best is when they were trying, I think they were talking about integrating Piedmont Park that's in this book. And white people were like, okay, but then where are we going to go? And they were like, well, you can keep going to Piedmont Park. They're like, no, I don't think you understand what we're talking about. Yeah. Where are we going to go? Like, once a couple of black families pulled up, they all rolled out.

It's the wildest thing as it happened. And so the 60s are Atlanta calling itself too busy to hate, the city that's too busy to hate. That's what they were going for. They wasn't too busy to move. Right. But like too busy to hate. They was too busy to put the Mardi anywhere that the white folks was going.

But they weren't too busy to hate. That's where they said. So now this all comes together and it culminates where I feel like the thing with the Olympics was now everybody got to got to share. Yeah. Because it's still the Olympics. Like that didn't go run the white folks off completely. But to me, that is Atlanta.

officially having a dot on every map. Right? Like it is now the perception of what it was has The thing is Atlanta cracking as you may think it was. It isn't that big, right? At that time it wasn't that large. It's shocking. The city itself may not even have over 500,000 people. Like the actual city core, the metro area is large.

But yeah, the city itself is not very big at all. Yeah, no, this city was not big enough to host an Olympic Games. But they was down to try. They built everything out there. Everybody got a little bit. Every college that was in the city got a little bit. We got some stadiums. We got a walkway.

You know what I'm saying? Georgia Tech got dorms. Georgia State got dorms. They got Turner Field, which is the Olympic. It was all of this. It was a very interesting study in why so many cities are willing to host the Olympics, despite all the corruption, despite the fact that it's typically not going to be the economic boom that people advertise that it's going to be.

I would say for that city, it worked. Yeah, that's right. Well, it's weird because you're right. But at that point, I don't even think people thought of the Olympics like that. I think that is more of a 21st century proposition where people are like, we're not going to make our money back on this. And it's going to be so disruptive, why would we do this? But you're coming back from 84, the L.A. Olympics where it's just kind of interesting

that both of the cities in America at that point, that they had the Olympics and had black mayors. Like Tom Bradley was the mayor in L.A. at that time. And the L.A. Olympics was a tremendous success. They didn't lose money. Like it was one of the few ones where they had these private and public and private partnerships and it was good for the city. And Atlanta was sort of the same proposition.

And Atlanta had so much more to gain, right, by hosting this. It's not like, it wasn't going to change how people felt about New York and L.A. But Atlanta, like you said, it really changed it and made it like one of those major cities. At that point did Atlanta, even today it has the largest airport in the country, but did it have it jam? Chicago, O'Hare was still number one. Yeah, at that point. At that point. It's the busiest.

That's the clarification. But I feel like I think there are four defining figures. Okay. Particularly for Americans from those Olympic Games. Okay. Right. I am going to do my best to address them as to what I would consider to be chronologically as they had their significance. and as I throw one, obviously it'll be like a blind list,

but I wish you to tell me if you think it makes sense, right? Okay, okay. Figure number one, Mohamed Ali. Oh, yeah. Probably the most indelible image of that Olympics, absolutely. So let me ask you this about the Ali moment at lighting the torch, right? Standing there as an older man and shaking and all of the things

that went into that moment. Did you appreciate that moment as a moment of, national reconciliation in real time. And I'm saying that as somebody, you and I are roughly the same age, right? Did you view it that way at the time? Because I feel like I thought it was cool that it was lighting the torch,

but I didn't get the point. I thought by that point, Muhammad Ali had already sort of been defamed as a controversial figure, right? And so I thought that that had already happened. Like by the time he's doing the torch thing, I'm like, by this time, people have already sort of decided,

we're going to forget about the time when we hated it all. Ali, and this is just sort of like the final crowning achievement in his life. And I remember, Muhammad Ali was an Olympian at one point in his life. So I thought, oh, this is just sort of the crowning achievement of his life. This is sort of the end. This is marking the final, you know, the sunset of his life. I didn't think of it as some big sort of national reconciliation thing.

I just thought, okay, like he's probably the most prominent American male sports figure. I guess maybe Michael Jordan would have been right there with him at that time. it made sense, but I didn't think of it in quite those terms. I guess I didn't realize the wifo still hated him. You know what I mean? Because if you think about it, that's right. Like by the time you get to the 90s, like I remember it used to be to get you to subscribe to Sports Illustrated, they would send you like videotapes.

There would be all kinds of things that they would give you, right? So they'd be like NFL films tape that you might get or whatever. And I remembered that they had sent us some Muhammad Ali tape. And I remember, I forget who the whole. was, it may have been Barry, what's his name? It's not Barry Jenkins. That's the dude that directs the movies. But I forget what the guy's name was.

But it was him. And it was Angelo Dundee. Yeah. Right. And obviously they went through everything. They go through the story about Ali getting his bike taken, you know, and everything that went to that. And they talk about him going to Rome and then him winning the championship.

But obviously, every video is him being incredibly charming and everything else, right? And the guy is talking about her. Obviously, this one guy in his trainer. and they're going through it and they get to the part with, you know, obviously with the war, him winning the title and the war and everything else to die-da-da. And, you know, it was pretty clear that Ali had offended a bunch of people or whatever, but I guess in my mind and watching it, it was like he beat George Foreman and then, okay, cool, we back.

Everything is back, cool. I had greatly underestimated the level at which people could, like, continue to dislike him. Like my dad talks about Ali and says he was fascinated to learn that there were black people who didn't ride for Outley. Because you got to remember, man, he denounced our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. That's right. That's a good point. Like he was not here for everybody. It's like the time my dad said that he found out it was Jamaicans who didn't like Bob Marley. He thought that this is something that we could all.

Yeah, we all agree on. So I had figured by that time, like I've seen Ali pull up all the Arsenio Hall show and all of this, I had thought by that time Ali was still there. Moral of the story, man, white folks, I mean, you can relate to this. White folks can hold a grudge. That I say this, I want to look at your family tree.

Oh, yeah. Well, look, bro. I mean, old white folks weren't talking about that in 1996. It wasn't okay to talk about this. Like, they may have held under that grudge, but we didn't know, right? Yeah, but I get, you know what I've been to say, I'm sorry, not to interrupt you.

But with that video, I had to remember that so much of the, like, that video was a product of New York media. Yeah. Right. And those guys up there, ironically, a lot of the Jewish cats, right, considered Ali's, you know, kicking it with the nation. But they like, whether you're talking about like Bob Lipsight, right, or anybody, you know, down those, those cats were Ali guys. Yeah. Right. Like all those New York, all those New York guys who went down to Miami to cover him, they were all New York guys. A lot of those guys wrote that like Tom Houser, how much money

Tom Houser making the name of Ali, for example. Though I thought I'd say Houser is one of the more balanced people when it comes to. talking about Ali. But he made them a lot of money. Yeah, he did. He gave them career. He was the greatest thing ever to cover. Uh-huh.

Like, can you imagine, forget about the money part. Can you imagine how cool it was to be around literally the coolest dude in the world? Right, right, right. This is the guy that you get to be around. But like, I now look back in him lighting the torch and I see the magnitude of it as an idea. But the idea of reconciliation to me implicitly says that it's white people realize maybe we was tripping. Yeah.

Because I don't think that Ali was lighting that torch and they said to himself, oh, you know, maybe I'll be it too hard. No, no, no, no, no. Don't think that's what it was. It was like in that moment, he became figuratively Cassius Clay again because they did love him in 1960

when he was 17 years old. And he's fresh face and he's winning boxing. I mean, a lot of people obviously found him to be like a blowhard and a braggard before he beat Sonny Liston. But once he did, he was the champ. They were excited about him beating Sunny Liston because Sunny Listen was a glowing, angry black man. You know what I mean? Yeah, but don't forget, though.

He was a glowing angry black man before a lot of people. He became less of that once Clay pulled up. I mean, the NAACP was rooting for Sunny List. Yeah, that's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right.

You know, and the Mohammed Adelaide thing is so interesting because you talked about how like there were a lot of black people that weren't right with them. You know, the Joe Frazier thing also really divided people because even in that moment, moment, there were a lot of people that said, too far. Series of suck a moves. You're like, that's, that's too far, calling him a gorilla in public, doing all that stuff.

And Joe Frazier, man, put a lot on the line to help. He gave Muhammad Ali money, bro. He gave him an opportunity. And he and Muhammad Ali humiliated him in public. And, of course, there's a great story by Mark Kramm about the fights over Joe. He ran his Sports Illustrator about how Joe Frazier hated. Oh, that last story? Yeah, to the day he died.

He was like, man, if I could get close to him, I'll still hit him. like when they were retired. So it was Muhammad Ali, man, he was a complicated character, but I think that 1996 did a lot to make him like more cuddly, more accessible for people. Joe Frazier said that he wished he could have pushed him into the torch. That's right. And I had to ask you when you read that story,

you saw yourself, didn't you? Is Joe? Yes, it's Joe Frazier. Man. As Joe Frazier. As the, as the grudgeon. If you were, let me tell you something, if you were Joe Frazier, you would have killed Ali.

No, what I will say, reading that story made me be, I get what Joe Fraser coming from. I didn't get what what Joe was coming from. Don't get me wrong.

But I think, I'm surprised you weren't reading that like, yeah, Joe, hell yeah. I mean, it changed the way I thought. I mean, look, man, you know, if anybody ever deserved to hold a grudge,

it was Joe Frazier. Oh, my God. Evening, like, Ali is the rare complicated figure. Like, generally speaking, the complicated figure is somebody you like who does bad. things. Right. And so you call it complication. No, no, no. I at least it was all over the place, but it just never dawned on me that the beef was still going on with some people by then.

But I guess when you think about it, 36, now that we're of this age, 36 years isn't as long as I would have, as I thought it was at that point in time. That 19, the 1960s seemed like the olden times about 1996 to us, because I've shit so much of it was in. Black and white. Right. Right. I think that's a big part of it is the black and white thing. Yeah. So much of it was in black and white. But now I'm looking at it. I'm like, oh, that feels like yesterday, bro. Like that is within my living memory. So yeah, he was probably a lot more reviled or much more of a controversial figure at that time than we would have thought. But very few people were willing to say that publicly at that point. But the other part is he was never publicly humbled.

That's right. They never, I mean, he got slowed down miles of life. Yeah, right. But he never. But he never. bowed down off that other stuff. Now he embraced some strangely conservative politics. Like his favorite politician was Orrin Hatch. Because Aaron Hatch wanted to put God back in school. He endorsed Ronald Reagan, bro, at one point in his life. It was just like, what? You know, when I read that, it just, again, the complicated figure part of it is very well said because he was all over the place. But again, the Muslim cats, man, they more conservative than people give them credit for.

They are. But specifically with Ali, Ali was a courageous follower. Ali was not a leader, but he was willing to go harder than anybody else did. You know, like every word that Ali offered by large was somebody else. I mean, that was the thing. That was the grounds for Malcolm X, leaving the nation of Islam is every word I say is another man's words. But not, but that moment, I wish I, I wish I could have got the same thing out of that that like maybe other people did because they're like, oh, now he's an old man. He's been brought to the, you know, the part.

Like when people talk about the, Ali became beloved once he's. became silent. Nah, it's not that simple. Because like you just said, when he was talking, he was saying wild shit. Wild to me, not wild to them. Right. Right. Like, he, he was coming a little closer to them, but that, that is the defining moment for somebody, so many people. Like, I remember when they lit the torch at 92. It was cool because somebody did it with a bow and arrow. You remember that? I do remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, oh, that's kind of lit. It was like, how about we got Muhammad Ali? And now I imagine, I need to read about it. But in the meetings, that wasn't no unanimous vote.

That was probably a 65. I could only imagine. And also, I mean, just in terms of, like, physically being able to do it, I don't know how you felt at that point, but I was like, is he going to be able to do this? I was kind of scared. I think he'd be all right. I generally believe they wouldn't let you do it if you could, you know what I'm saying?

I was kind of scared for him, man. I was worried about her. All right. So that's one big moment. Throw another one out there. Okay. Carrie Strug. Huh.

Yeah? You're right. That's, I mean, her winning on one leg, that's, that's Mary Lou Retton nest. It's past Mary Louretton. She had two legs. Like, look, look, look, let me put it like this. My dad was like, I mean, she ain't really landed, but, you know. And he's not wrong.

They graded on a curve. They did grade her on a curve. But I don't think I properly appreciated at that time. What an unreal feat that was on the intro. that she had to be like, I'm going to do these, first of all, forget about the landed, the jumping. Oh, man. All this, all this injury.

And then I'm going to land this. I mean, to have a fracture in your leg and to be able to do it. But, I mean, at that point, people weren't asking all the questions about the Corollies. Again, one, another people who. Hey, hey, yeah, different time. Different time. Yeah, people didn't ask them questions back then. They were just like, nobody asked, should she be doing this?

It's like, I can't believe she's doing this. But you know what, though, to be fair, even if we asked if she should, you give her that choice? Do it every time. She was not forced in it for a moment. She was forced into doing that at all. Oh, yeah. I mean, you do it every time. You do it every time.

There's Tyre's Halliburton in Game 7. Mm-hmm. You got to give it a shot. You do it every time. They will do it every time. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Well, I mean, you don't get to be that kind of an athlete, that competitive athlete and not have that in you.

Somebody has to come in and say, no, this is not the right thing to do. And yeah, I mean, Kerry- Even if they come in and said that. She probably would have done it, yeah. Look, it would be different if there was that Olympics every year. Right. Like the world championships, hey, maybe you miss. Right.

The Olympics? You only get one time. Especially at that time, that's before they put the age minimums in. That's right. And those girls aged out of being able to compete so quickly because a new 12-year-old, 12-year-olds can just do shit that you can't do. Oh, yeah, move their bodies. The size.

I mean, just the size alone and all that, right? So, yeah, and I mean, we didn't know this, holding off puberty, all that other stuff that they had to do to try to allow them to compete. But yeah, so it worked. I mean, it's not like nobody thinks of Kerry Strugg, an athlete along the lives of Simone Biles or anything like that, but that moment alone makes her probably on the Mount Rushmore

of a great American gymnast. All-time clutch moment, man. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that was some serious shit, man. I mean, I can just, I can actually remember. It's one of those few things that I can see in my head. When you said her name, I immediately saw her landing on that mat, just like that. That's how indelible that moment was.

At the same time, can you imagine how terrible it would have been if she had done that flip and then just landed and collapsed into the ground? Do you think they still would have turned to a Joe Thaisman? Do you think that they would have still given her like a medal if you, but remember, it was for the team competition. That's fair. So I feel like. they might have still, but like, how terrible would it be

if she had hit the ground and then her shit just Oh, yeah, saw that knee, yeah, doing Napoleon and the calum. Yeah, they all of a sudden had to just, they had to just put the camera on the American flag. We're not going to show that one again. I mean, they ran, I mean, again, when you do something like that, you run the risk.

But, I mean, that's gymnastic. That's, that's, that's, that's, uh, gymnastics in a nutshell. Like, it's always death to fire. The fact that she was willing to do that, something that's already intrinsically dangerous. and do it while compromised. I mean, that's why she's a hero. Yeah, man.

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Discover why millions trust GNC. Shop athlete-tested science-backed picks today at gNC.com. All right, we are back with Joel Anderson talking about the 1996 Olympics. Number three should have been number one to me, but I was kind of going chronologically, even though I don't know if this fully fits the chronology, but I feel like this is the third thing that happened.

And the third name is Richard Jewell. Brough. Oh, my God, man. Yeah, and so for those of you who don't know the story, Richard Jewel, okay, somebody set a bomb off in Centennial Olympic Park, which, you know, obviously big, huge thing, right? And this is in between the two World Trade Center bombing. So, like, the idea of terrorism

is in that place in the continuum. and Richard Jewel was the hero of the moment, clearing people out of the park, all of that stuff. And then we decided that actually Richard Jewel did it. Maybe he did it, yeah. But it wasn't even presented like maybe. Yeah, right. It was really presented like, man, look at this shit.

He's the leading suspect. He's a leading suspect. He's a leading suspect. And so it went for him being fetid and taken everywhere. And as I recall, he started having reports of people like basically being like he's a glory hog. And the idea was that he bombed the part so that he could get to credit for being the hero for the park bombing. And then for how long was it that people set up in his yard? I mean, months, right?

Months. Months. Like after the Olympics were over, right? And so all this is going on and he still like got this dirt on his name. Like people are still, he's still sort of a reviled figure at this point. Yes. I mean, I wouldn't say that he was like, I mean, nobody is, nobody is quite Timothy McVeigh, but you couldn't help but think, oh, he's like a domestic terrorist, essentially. Well, hold on though. Let us note, though, that by the time we got to the bottom of it, the man accused of doing it,

was a domestic terrorist. Oh, yeah, absolutely. This was but one of his jams. Absolutely. He was not a one hit wonder. And I don't think the fury toward Rudolph ever was what it was. when we thought Jewel did it, and I think the reason is what people resent more than anything else is feeling like they got tricked. And I think that people with Jewel felt like they got tricked

or like they had gotten con. And quite honestly, if we had got calm by that person, man, you know what I'm saying? Like that wouldn't have said very much about him. But in the end, obviously, we found out that Jewel did not do it. And so many reports were flatly wrong. about what happened with him. It is one of the great tragedies. I think there was a 30 for 30 about that. Like, it was one of the great tragedies of 20th century America.

What was done to that man? They ruined that man's life. And he did sue a couple of outlets. I think the New York Post being one of them. We don't know how much money he won. Presumably, it was a lot. But not enough to ever really reclaim his name. Because the reason we talk about him to this day

is because he's associated with that. Like it's like they cleared him, but your name really can't be cleared after you've been tied so closely to that bombing, right? Like that's what we think of when we think of the bombing. Eric Rudolph's name don't even come up. And it was the feds who did it to him

because they leaked that he was being investigated. Yeah, man. They didn't have to do that. Yeah. Like, what do you stop and think about it? What did that serve other than you making people feel like you was out here doing some work? I mean, that's the thing.

They wanted to make people. people think, oh, we've got the answers. We know who did it, and we're working on the case right there. And again, it makes sense in one way if you're a law enforcement agent because it makes it seem like, oh, yeah, y'all are on the job. This investigation is going somewhere. But yeah, all it did was, and that's often what happens in law enforcement investigations that get it wrong, which happens more than people tend to think.

People get their lives ruined, their careers ruined, and then they move on and those people have to pick up the pieces. Yeah, he sued everybody. and I feel like the ultimate moral of the story on this is all that suing, you want to get the money, right? Right. Right. Like obviously having the money,

better than not having the money, but it's the embodiment of the point that the money ain't going to actually make you feel better. It's just the best that you can do. Money doesn't repair everything. Money can never repair what they did to that man. And I mean, he died way early. Like, I mean, he died in his, what, late 30s, 40s,

Like he didn't, mid-40s, I want to say. Mid-40s. Yeah, and again, I mean, I don't want to blame, you know, we, I think he died of like a heart disease, and I'm sure he had other health issues or whatever, but like, you got to believe that the toll that that took on him and stories, the people that were around him at the time said, look, this really took a toll on him and he never really recovered from it, whether he won that money or not. Yeah, and it's wild because it, like, I don't want to say it derailed the Olympics.

And obviously, it was a big, giant thing, and it was a huge. story. It did not, maybe there was something that happened the next day, right? Like, I don't know what was the Farrah Fawcett to the Centennial Olympic Park bombing. Yeah, I mean, right? You know, some of y'all might not even know Farrah Fawcett died. Fairfawcett died

in 2009, but it was the same day as Michael Jackson. Oh, man. Yeah, man. Do you think people know who Farah Fawcett? I don't think people know who that is. I mean, the people who are listening to us know who Farah Fawcett is. Like, I think you, I think children don't know who Farrah Fawcett is. No. Maybe the cutoff is 30. Maybe the cutoff is 30.

You know, and tell you something. There's a lot of people that have Fairfawcett on the wall and the lotion by the nightstand. She was, she was that thying for them folk, boy. I mean, you know, I mean, as far as white women went, man, you know what I'm saying? I mean, even among brothers, man, you kind of had to be like, well, I got to acknowledge that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, she was there.

But how about Richard Dule's suit? NBC, the NBC News, the Atlanta Journal Constitution, CNN, the New York Post, and Piedmont College. I forget what Piedmont College did. Oh, I think they got in there talking to the fed, telling them stuff that wasn't true. Yeah, he worked for Piedmont. Yeah, yeah, that's right. They tried to play them.

Yeah, man. They told him they told him Richard Duel was crazy. Well, they thinking they can help. You know what I'm saying? They're like, oh, yeah, you know what I'm saying? We part of the investigation. You know what? There was always something about him because that's what happens in a moment like this.

Everybody think the police is right. And so they pop up and they'd be like, you know what? I could always tell. It was something about that boy Always knew There's something about that boy He had a weird He had a weird gait

And when he didn't say hello to you in the mornings I just knew something was off about that man Yeah but I mean he was I can't imagine being a hero Like the only thing I can think of That's similar to this Is when Sean Taylor died And people immediately went to

All the stuff he had done And everything else And somehow basically saying that he was responsible for his own death only to find out that he died the death of a hero. A lot of people, and that's people that are prominent media members today, that really, they ought to own that one, man. And it never said they did anything wrong.

Got to own that, man, because that was horrible, man. That dude brandished a machete against people with a gun to protect his family, bro. Yes. And they're trying to say, oh, we had had all these troubles, off-field troubles before and all this other stuff. And it just didn't. it just that that wasn't right what they did for getting his house broke into yeah yeah and protecting himself again it's just yeah people people should apologize but again apologies can only do

so much yeah yeah and that's the thing jewel got all that money what did change like I went to high school with somebody whose father died in some accident that came with some giant settlement and I just what and the money was just flying you just burned all that money because what was it going to do right you understand what I mean like what was it going to do and so yeah something like that with Joel, guy knows how much money, you know, however much money he got from all these people, none of that was going to happen. There was no fixing. Can you imagine

the people camped out in your yard for all of that time? I can't, I mean, just the 180 that went here is like, yeah, I'm rightfully considered to be a hero. I helped people in a moment of crisis. I'm so glad that people are recognizing this and then all of

a sudden for it to flip on you like that, it must have been totally destabilizing. Like, I can't even imagine, with his, like, therapy bills would have been, like, under those circumstances. And look, I imagine, and he probably, how could you not love the attention of I'm a hero? Yeah. You said, I mean, dog, I mean, this is one of the biggest, I mean, one of the biggest incidents of domestic terrorism in this country, one of the more notable ones. You're in the middle of it.

You escort people to safety. And then people identify you as the, is the perpetrator. So, yeah, I'm sure that, like, he was like, what the fuck are y'all talking about, bro? Like, what are you going to do? I'd have took my ass over there to Spring Street, right across the street from the Greyhouse Station. Oh, man, Glockler, bro. You know what I'm saying?

They would have taken care of him over there. They gave me a section. DJ would have shouted out my name. I wouldn't have paid for nothing that night. Oh, man. At least I know he could afford to parking and the entry fee over there, bro. Oh, man.

Look, I bet the clubs was cracking during the Olympics. Oh, man. You think? I got a home boy that said during the Olympics that his daddy and his white home, He went to Magic City and left him in the back seat because it was the 90s and you could do things like that with your teenage kids.

And on the way, he said that Dwight homie looked back and said, Magic City is the only place to see the true newbie and princesses. What? Yeah, that happened. That happens. True story. I mean, look, the one thing about it, Magic City, I mean, where would you rather be that night?

Olympic Village, would you rather be in the Olympic Village or would you rather be in Magic City? Well, that depends. Am I an athlete? Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess... If I'm an athlete, I want to be in the Olympic Village. We know what's going down. I mean, they don't even pretend that's not what's going on. They're like, oh, yeah, that's why I want to go down there.

That's going to be excited. No, why not? Like, if there's anybody and you can tell them, hey, man, it's going to be a bunch of girls from the Olympics there, then that's where you're going to be. I mean, look, man, how can I get in? Hold up. Hold up.

And that's before the Internet. That's before all this stuff. You ain't got to worry about maintaining no communication. Oh, man. See, you know what? You know what I'm saying? We don't even speak the same language. I don't even how I'm going to get in touch with you again.

Right, right, right, right. They in there. That's how you know. It's just we just making it happy. I don't know what you're talking about. You don't know what I'm talking about, but you know what I'm talking about. Hey, man. Body language is a universal language.

Yes, yes. There he goes. All right. Got two more. Trying to decide which one to go first. Because I think in the chronology, I know which goes where, but now I'm just flipping it up. Okay. Okay.

I'm going. All right. I'm going to go. I know what I'm going to go first. Carl Lewis. Yeah. How did you feel about Carl Lewis? Because I feel like Carl Lewis is not very popular in my house.

And I can't tell if that was, you know, homophobia. By the way, I don't know if Carl Lewis is gay, just to be clear. I mean, he's never. I'm just telling you this. if you ever watched that music video he made, if you were homophobic, whether he was gay or not, you was not going to like him.

I mean, break it up. Break it up. You seen that joint? I, I remember, man, he did have a little singer career. I think he, like, performed over an age and everything, too. The worst, the worst. I mean, anybody who's heard called the National Anthem.

I mean, what did Charlie, Charlie Cicney? Charles Sondon is like, Francis Scott Offkey? Yes, yes. Well, in the middle, he was like, I got it. I got it. Hold now.

He said, hold now. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. Oh, my God. Oh, oh. Bricklam! That's what I remember. Bigel!

It was so bad. But he won the gold medal in the long jump. Yeah. The fourth straight gold medal in the long jump, right? And you got to remember, he won the four gold medals in 84. Yeah. They gave him that gold medal after they took it from Ben Johnson. And if you saw the 30 for 30 about Ben Johnson,

Carl Lewis. may have put steroids in Ben Johnson's drink right before you went to take the drug test. I mean, look, the thing is, if you, and if you bake it to the end of that 30 for 30, Ben Johnson was competing fairly. Yes. That's number one, right? Ben Johnson was competing fairly. They were all on the same plane.

And number two, Carl Lewis, and one of the most di-I mean, this is what Ben Johnson alleges, is that he's there drinking a brew. He's just run a 9-79, which at that time, he might as well have lived. literally been flying. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And then he says Carl Lewis comes in and they talk and he believes that Carl Lewis put a pill into broody he was drinking. And then he went to take the drug test and that sounds crazy until in the same 30 for 30, they asked Carl Lewis about it and he did not deny it at all. Carl Lewis, like, it was actually interesting. And that's one thing that I liked about track early on is that those dudes hate each other. Like they don't, if they, like, they don't

like they don't like each other, they're not going to pretend. Like if they got beef, they're going to live it out. was one of the earliest examples of like, Carl Lewis don't fuck with Ben Johnson. Being Johnson don't fuck with Carl Lewis. And again, there's, I'm sure, a lot of reasons why people didn't fuck with Carl Lewis at the time. But that, you know, but also, you know, only one person

can win gold. Yeah, but he went from four gold medals in 84 to three gold medals in 88, to two gold medals in 92. And remember, in 92, they put them on the relay team, even though as John Drummond famously said, he finished but naked

It lasted in the trials. But, negative, he was seventh. I think he finished seventh and the hundredth in. He was last. He was last. He was last. But they could last in the trials. But they put him on the relay team and he ran a crazy anchor leg, right?

It was like he was still Carl Lewis and he won the long jump again at those Olympics. And now by 96, it's his fourth Olympics. Like, he's only, he barely out there in the long jump. Look, man, Carl Lewis, so you asked me what I thought about him. I was a Carl Lewis fan because Carl Lewis University of Houston. One of the huge friends grades. Santa Monica track club, which was Tom Tilless's professional track club that was based out of Houston, even though it was called a Santa Monica track club.

Oh, I didn't realize that that club was based out of Houston. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Santa Monica. And they ran at track meets. Even when I was, you know, running in that track circuit, you would see them at meets or whatever. I don't think they ran at the Texas Relays the year. I ran there, too. And I think the one thing about Carlos is just sort of unfortunate that he didn't, in time, sort of lost the public's goodwill because he's got to be the, the greatest track athlete that America has ever produced.

Like, if you get older and you think about winning the 100, the 200, and the long jump, bro, that is a crazy schedule. I don't think I appreciated that part enough when people would talk about it. It's like it's him and Jesse Owens, obviously, I think, are the, are the two guys that we talk about in that. But I did not, I think to me it was fairly obvious that if you could run that fast, you could also jump real far. Right.

I did not think of those as being, like, distinct skills. I'm thinking of this. I'm thinking of this like it's elementary school. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And the one kid is the best at all the stuff. Right. I'm not thinking about it that way. And so he got those four and then he got the three and then he got the two. And what I'll always remember about the 96 Olympics when he got it. And Rick Riley wrote in Sports Illustrated his column about it, which I remember

to be just fucking excellent. And he was like, you try to give him a gold watch and he takes a gold medal instead, right? He really only hit it on that one jump. That was it. Yeah. He wasn't great. You got to do is hit it on that one jump. It's not a cumulative event. You just got to hit it once. Well, that's why they put, I mean, that's what the argument was for him running anchor in 92. He's a prime time athlete, bro.

When the lights are shine the brightest, Carl Lewis was going to show up, right? And so that's what he did. And, yeah, I mean, I, look, man, again, I read Carl Lewis's autobiography as a kid and he addresses all the stuff. And he's, you know, I mean, he says if somebody, he said a former girlfriend accused him of being gay. And he said, I've been with her enough time for her to know that that was BS. Okay, okay.

So, like, his shit was like, you ever seen the Johnny Gill unsung? Oh, bad. Have you seen it? I have, yeah. And for those who haven't seen it, I ain't casting those Spurses on Johnny Gill, but clearly somebody has,

because it was like 45, 50 minutes about the music, and then a whole section of guys, I was like, Barry Bonds inexplicably in this unsung, just there. Yeah. But then at the end, it's just cats being like, man, every time I saw Johnny, it was girls around. Right? Everybody's talking about this.

Johnny had them all, dog. I mean, look, man. I mean, the thing we got to consider is that there's no, especially at the time that they came up in, no benefit to, there's no benefit. Like, even if you were to say or think that they were gay, what would be the benefit of saying that at the time that came up? No, no, no, no.

There's absolutely none, right? But they was like, I think for both of them, it's like, hey, man. I'm not saying you are. I'm not saying you not. But I am saying that what you say is not going to be the defining factor in people's minds. But this had a lot to do with the weight. I mean, I think it was at the 84 Olympics,

when Daly Thompson, former world record holder in DeKathlon, walking around with a shirt that says is something like the best athlete in the world gay or the best, the world's fastest man gay. Like, yo, you're going to pull up on me with a shirt this is that? It's crazy, man. It was crazy. It's crazy. And I think, and I think unfortunately, that's why people don't.

remember Carl Lewis in quite the way because they did enough they did enough to diminish him publicly in a way that people would like you say it people like uh I don't really bang with Carl Lewis like that but unfortunately like bottom line that dude is probably the greatest American track out of what to be fair to him right to the people rather on that I think part of what happens is I don't know exactly how people view the 84 Olympics but they're like half an Olympics right there's a significant I don't think the Soviet Union was going to come out there and win the gold medal in that one but it's a lot going on but either way the fact that we didn't see him win the gold in 88.

Right. If we had seen him win a gold in 88, I think we then view that one a little bit differently, right? And then it's like, oh, we got two gold medals in the 100. Well, it's just like, it's the reason that Vince Young didn't accept the Hizman from Reggie Bush, man. Like, we saw Rich Bush win that husband, man. Well, hold on.

He said he would. Oh, is that, is that right? Okay. Yeah, Vince was like, I mean, I'll take it. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like Reggie was saying something like, yeah, he had the opportunity and didn't or whatever.

But the thing is, even if Vincent won, bro, we saw Reggie Bush that year, bro. Yeah, well, even though, not even if we saw him that year, we saw him with the trophy in his hand. We saw him with the trophy in his hands. He was the husband. And they wouldn't even say that he was taking steroids. They were saying he got some cheese. That ain't really have nothing to do with what we was talking about.

But you're right. It wasn't, we were never going to, it's kind of like when, like I think Louisville had to vacate that 2013. Yeah, with Rushman. Yeah, with Rushman. I mean, okay, but that's the national champion. I ain't never thought about it. I ain't never been like, yo, Michigan was the real champions.

Yeah, they won. As far as I'm concerned, when you go over there. I saw it. We saw it. We watched it. You can't take that away from people. And that's Ben Johnson. Although, again, Ben Johnson at the time, that was a tremendous scandal.

And he was reviled in a way. His reputation never really recovered. And the problem is that he was just so good. The fact, he was good on drugs. everybody else couldn't beat. They were on drugs too, but they couldn't beat him. Yeah, he's like Barry Bond. Yeah, exactly.

He ran a 9-7-9. Yeah. I think it took like, it went to Maurice Greer at 9-7-9, like 10, at least 10 years later. Yeah, yeah. That we, like, what was this? But you're right, he never recovered. But that is a defining, like, Olympic magic moment, though. Carl Malone, I mean, Carl Lewis hitting that board.

Yeah. One time. The last one, as I recall. Mm-hmm. I saw all he needed. And got them. All right. Now, the last name, I don't even need to.

I think you can probably figure out who the only guy I left off. Oh, man. One of my favorite athletes are all time, man. Go ahead and tell him. Michael Johnson, man. Hey, man, it'd take a lot for us to say something nice, so nice about Dallas. But Michael Johnson, who went to high school with Larry Johnson? I mean, Skyline, man.

Skyline was killing it. Skyline was killing it. The thing with Michael Johnson, because Michael Johnson was the 200 runner. and at 92 he did not win. Like I think in the semifinal heat, he was eliminated and it was a thing because we heard all about Michael Johnson coming up. So now we're coming up to the 96 Olympics

and he has gotten permission. They've changed the schedule so that he could run the 200 and the 400. And I didn't even know what that was possible. Like in my mind it was like it's the 100, 200. I had never thought about like 200, 400. And so he won the 400. They won the 400 relay.

it's all about that 1932 that he ran in the 200, in the gold shoes. Man, look, bro. So the record in the 200 had stood for like 20, almost a quarter century, man. A guy named Pietro Menea from Italy one. And later they found out that he, too, had been on some sort of PD. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. And people had not, people didn't really respect it even.

It's like when old boy Lamont from Italy, was that his name? he won and everybody was like, yeah, you won, but come on, bro. You know what I'm saying? I think Pietro Menea's record was like that, but the record was the record. And people had come sort of close, but it was one of those records. It's like, man, is anybody ever going to do it? And so it's not just that Michael Johnson broke it. And actually, Michael Johnson had broken the record at the Olympic trials earlier that summer,

but he'd shaved like, you know, he went like 1966. For him to have run 1932, bro, like, that's still like a top five. time in the 200 all time. Like, it is insane that he ran that fact. And as you watched him in real time, you were like, oh, shit. Like, he's coming off the curve, those gold spikes that shining

in the light and the night. It was just like, yo, like, this dude is literally flying. It's one of the best track performances of all time. Like, bro, the shot of him finishing. Yeah. Turning around.

Yep. Like, he saw the time the same time basically that we saw the time. It was so crazy he couldn't believe. He couldn't believe it, man. He'd never run that, you know, he could run that fast in his life. Well, you know what was frustrating about Michael Johnson, so many, like, so first, he dealt with a lot of injuries in his career.

So that's what held him back a lot. So when he was healthy, it was always like world championship years and not Olympic years. But he would either be so far ahead, he would not run through the line, or he was hurt. And this was the one time he was healthy and he ran full speed the whole damn weight. And so it was like we didn't even know that this was possible. Like we didn't know that this was possible.

We knew that you could break the world record. If anybody was going to break it, it was going to be him. But for him to have done that, I mean, I don't think there's a sprint record that has ever been cut down by as much as what he did there. No. Yeah. Like, right, the closest, I mean, obviously the gold standard

is when Bob Beeman basically jumped out of the, That's still like the third best long jump or something insane. It's crazy, crazy. Like that. Who has a, is it Mike Conno, Mike Powell? Mike Powell, that's right, okay. Mike Connolly's dad was a triple jumper. Oh, that's right, that's right, that's right.

But even that Mike Powell record, that Mike Power record has stood for 36 years. It was crazy. It was insane. Like 35, I think it was 91 when he broke it. But like it stood for that long. But yeah, Johnson, that night he was so far ahead of everybody else. Like, Bolt, it was crazy watching Bolt because Bolt was also just so much bigger than everybody else.

Like, it just seemed like he didn't belong in any of the places that he was. But that, no moment, especially since it was at the crib. Yeah. Right? No moment is going to hit me in track quite like it was watching him in that 100 and then seeing the time come up on the screen. Everybody was waiting for him.

Like, the thing is, you don't pull out those gold spikes unless you think some special shit is going to happen. No, no, no, no, no. Him and Nike were like, Hey, man. Time is now, brother. You got to do it right now, man. You got to get this money. You know what I'm saying?

Like, you could have messed up and been like Dan and Dave in 92. It don't even happen at all. Dan and Dave, man. Oh, man. What a bummer. But yeah, I mean, he, again, he had his moment. He seized it. And as a result, like, I mean, again, he's my favorite athlete.

And the thing about that race that is crazy, that Frankie Fedrix, and for people that watch track today, Ato Bowman, he finished third. He was the bronze medalist. I told. I told both. There you go. Sorry, thank you.

They ran 198, like Frankie ran 1968, which would have broke the old world record. And you would never know that because he was so far behind Michael Johnson. No, it's kind of like the cats that was out there with Bolt, when Tyson Gay ran that 980 and got fourth. But I forget,

I think it was Yoja Blake, whichever one of them cats was silver, he was celebrating like he just won, like he won it all. Yeah, man. Because they all knew it was playing for second. You can't be. I mean, you,

Usain Bowdo is like the best, I mean, track athlete ever. No, no ballpark now. It's just nothing. Like, he's got a claim for the greatest of all the things. Yeah, there's nothing like that. But I do wish, though, that I could have seen Pete Michael Johnson against Pete Hussein Boat into 200 because I think that would have been an interest in race. But, yeah.

Frankie Frederick, he is kind of like the Merlin Adi. Like, who else is in that list of people that just kept coming in a second? That man got four silver medals. Yeah, man. Yeah, I mean, look, Tyson Gaye is one of our great American sprint champions, man. He was really, really good. But unfortunately, he came along at the same time as the same boat. Yeah, right, right.

Everybody got knocked down a metal. Yeah, right. Right? Everybody got bumped down. Yeah, man. He's like, can we come up with a copper medal for me? I mean, yeah, man, it's just kind of like, it didn't. It's just like, yeah, it's like, we're not doing the same thing.

here. So I should get some sort of like gold B medal or something like that. Yeah, like we have to acknowledge the circumstances are not the same here. Yeah, man. It's like, no, dog, that ain't the same thing. Well, I'm trying to think, but like when Miami won the national championship in 2001, it was just like, yo, bro, like, y'all good too, but this is something. We're talking about something different. Like, Nebraska was not a

bad football team. They weren't good. Yeah, they weren't great, But they weren't as bad as Miami made them look, but forever, they will be the people that are chasing Andre Johnson down. Oh, like 95 Florida. Oh, bro. Oh, man. I mean, look. That's the one.

Those guys went all the way undefeated through the SEC, all of that. Spank them boys, man. Spank them boys. Yeah, man. Stuff go. But now, you know what, the 96 Olympics. A little more than you remembered, huh? Oh, man, look.

I mean, this is what, that is the Olympics more than any that I, well, I kind of wish I was at the Paris Games, too. I mean, to be honest. Paris games looked like they was. That kind of looked fly. You know what I'm saying? That was kind of fly. But yeah, that's one of the ones I'm like,

if there's a sporting event from the past that I wish I could have been a part of, that's probably one in my top three right there. All right. Hey, man, that is Joel Anderson. Check out the Wrang or Tailgate. Check out the press box available with all fine podcasts. A giving away for free.

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