The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Joel Anderson Talks NFL Offseason: Shedeur Sanders, Jalen Milroe, and Kyle Shanahan | 3.19

Episode Date: March 19, 2025

On today’s episode, Joel Anderson of The Ringer joins Bomani Jones to discuss the NFL offseason. Before diving into that, Bo talks about Joel moving East (0:37) and the difficulties of migrating through Texas. (6:35) They start off their football conversation by asking if Shedeur Sanders is tanking his interviews on purpose to land with a better team (15:58) and how many more bad seasons can Kyle Shanahan endure? (24:12) Bo and Joel say why teams that already have a quarterback should trade out of their early 1st round pick and why they'd take a chance on Jalen Milroe. (38:50) The show rounds out with Joel saying he wants to be Bun B's friend and Bomani talking about an interaction he had with Dan Dakich. (47:53) . . . Subscribe to The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Spotify, Apple or wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok for all the best moments from the show. Download Full Podcast Here: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6N7fDvgNz2EPDIOm49aj7M?si=FCb5EzTyTYuIy9-fWs4rQA&nd=1&utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-right-time-with-bomani-jones/id982639043?utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Follow The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Social Media: http://lnk.to/therighttime Subscribe to Supercast for Ad-Free Episodes: https://righttime.supercast.com/ Support the Show: Discover faster, more reliable search with Perplexity today. Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at perplexity.com! https://pplx.ai/bomani-jones When any player scores 50 or more points in a game, DashPass members save 50% on an order, up to $10 off. Use promo code NBA50 to redeem. See further terms and conditions at https://drd.sh/8ONpZP/ Find out why more than 2.5M small businesses use LinkedIn for hiring today! Find your next great hire on LinkedIn. Post your job for free at LinkedIn.com/BOMANI. Terms and conditions apply. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A Wave Original presented by Perplexity. My name is Beaumani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. He only gives us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater.

It is that time of week where we have a guest joined us. Now coming to us live from the East Coast. We might be able to book them on the show a little bit more often now. From the ringer, Joel Anderson, what's going on? I do all the coast. Gulf Coast, West Coast, now I'm back on the East Coast. You know, what, two, A, and three, huh? Yeah, right.

Hey, look, I'm going to do it all, you know. Yeah, honestly, no, this is real thing, though, is that when Dominique had other stuff to do, I was like, cool, we can get Joel in on the Friday's. And then, of course, I forgot you had just procreated or, you know, the procreation was about to be fully take place and all of this stuff. And you was on the West, it'd be hard. Now, you know what I'm saying? You're back over here, toward the east.

You might come holl at your boy here and there. Oh, I'm going to come to some of them, you know, You know, some of your live shows, too, you know what I'm saying? We might do, you know, whatever. The basketball Jones, whatever, whatever's in. Oh, no, you got to come through, come hollet me, you know, come check out my spot, my club, you know, that we do the live shows at, you know what I'm saying? I mean, look, I'm, you know, since I've been here, the weather has been not terrible, but by the standards of somebody that lived in the Bay Area for 10 years, it's been sort of terrible. Yeah.

But other than that, like, you know, I really like it out here. I mean, it fits. I like the energy of the East Coast. like being close to people. It's really hard to get out to the West Coast, man. It is. And people, I feel like, I don't know if this is true for white people. I'm sure it is, but whatever.

But I feel like every black family has the uncle or the cousin that lives in California and you never see him. He's like, I got family in California, blah, blah, blah. That was me for a decade. Yo, that is a good. So I think the thing that people forget about California is that California was the promised land for so many people. So, for example, two things that run together.

The plot line for Beverly Hills, 90210, and the history of the Los Angeles Lakers, right? Start in Minnesota, bring it out there. When you watch that OJ made America and listen to them cops talk, they all sound like Fargo type stuff, like Midwest situation. That was what they, they got the hell out of dyes the same way we got the hell out of dives, except we was trying to get away from the mean ass. people and they was just trying to get away from that hawk. I mean, look, man.

Chase them all the way out there. The late great Mike Davis used to call L.A., and maybe it was the rest of California, I won the Pacific. Yeah. It was very conservative, you know, all those folks. Yeah, exactly. A lot of people come out there just wanting a little bit better weather, you know. And, yeah.

But I mean, that's the whole thing about the Rose Bowl. Like the Rose Bowl is that, Mike and Mike Davis, who wrote City of Cords, a book that's so amazing that I am. ain't even finished it yet because it was so dope. I just kind of had to like take a pause, but I read enough. I can't imagine that there's more book after the portions of the city of courts that I got through because it blew my mind so much about what L.A. was. First thing is, L.A. is a bunch of gangs. The gangs are actually fitting in with what everything else that goes all because LAPD, too, one of them gangs. Click after click after click. That's just that's just what L.A.

is, man, it's a bunch of people that's throwing up signs. But what he said in that book that I did not realize about LA was that it makes sense. And it makes you like think about what the old days are, right, or what the old days were. They sold California through pamphlets. Right? Just the idea. Think about how wild the 1800s were where people were just like, yo, I'm about to hitch my shit to this wagon. I'm about to get this horse. And we about to go out west. What y'all gonna do? We gonna go out west. Don't even know what's out there.

You know, we know that it's natives. But I read this pamphlet and this pamphlet said, it's paradise over here. I mean, they were kind of right about the paradise part of it. Right? Like, yeah. Well, what they promised them, though,

was an all white paradise. Right. Right. And so then they got out there and everything was cracking, but I'm just, I mean, you ain't going to keep nothing from us for long. Man, I mean, one of the... One of the...

I mean, first of all, the warmth of other sons, maybe one of the only books that I finished reading and started crying. Like, I mean, it was emotional to me to finish that book. One of the plot lines in that book is a brother who was from... I think he was Monroe. Monroe or West Monroe, Louisiana. He becomes a doctor out there in California. And it's just like, you know, like, that's exactly...

Hold on. Was that the warmth of other sons? It was that city of courts? No, it was warmth of other sons. It was the warmth of other sons. Yeah, yeah, no, okay. I didn't hear you say that you were switching books. Oh, yeah, yeah. We were all together.

Oh, yeah, yeah. I didn't cry at the end of a city, of course, because much like you, I did not finish it because it was just so overwhelming. Like, it was a lot of information. I would like to know how many people are like us. Like, I got it on the Kind of. I might check it out, right? It's worth revisiting.

And, yeah, it was my, I was hoping to use it as a way to get my head around all of L.A. when I was doing slow burn. But it's highly recommended. But the warmth of other sons, I mean, you've got two people, one that moved to New York, one to move to Chicago, and one to moves to L.A.

And it's this doctor who sets up a, you know, a clinic or office in a majority black neighborhood in L.A. And yeah, man, I mean, it's, it was so deeply affecting to me to see these people trying to find the promised land and find out that, you know, ever, it's not just like Compton, you know what I'm saying?

You know, just like Compton, everyone was placed kind of the South for black people. That book has been out long enough that I don't feel like I'm spoiling it by offering this. The heartbreaking part, so for the people that made the migration from to the West, what was different is that they were going with cars and our railroads, right? So like the story of the family moving in New York, they went up to rails from Florida, right? They was picking oranges and then they went up there. And then Chicago, the most common route, Mississippi.

getting the hell out of Dodge going up to Chicago. But in the West, you'd have to drive. And the thing about the drive was you had to get through Texas. Anybody who has done Interstate 10, and I think this preceded the interstates, but anybody who's ever done Interstate 10 into Texas from either direction, it's a sign on the west side and a sign on the east side. But when we moved to Texas, I'll never forget. I was six years old when this happened.

It still sticks with me in my mind. We cross over, and it tells you that Earn's just like, 15 miles or something like that. El Paso, 857. And when you come in from the west side, it's one that tells you how far it is to get to Orange on I-10, a very similar number. And so you had to get across Texas in the move because Texas are racist. You have nowhere to stay. Like that was the part that got you. It was like going through the mountains and the Tour de France, right? You got to get across Texas. So to get across Texas, they get to Arizona. that can't, brother can't get nobody to rent them a room, right?

Going all over the place. And then he, because Arizona, sneaky, right? And so finally, he gets to some people in Arizona that at least hear him out. And the man says, I would love to give you a room. But I can't do that. He's like, we're not from here. We're from Illinois, I think is what he said. It was we for Illinois.

We don't share the same views and sensibilities as these people here. We would love to give you a room, but we got to live here after the fact, you know, if they see that we did this, it's going to cause us some problems, we can't do it. And then he hit him with some true game. He was like, I'm telling you right now, though, me and my wife, we went to USC before we came here. And I just want to make sure you understand.

California ain't what you seem to think it is, brother. No, man. No, man. No, I mean. Hold on. Can you imagine driving from Louisiana, getting across Texas, getting almost in California. And by the way, before you eat.

even get there. Somebody is like, hey, it ain't what you think. Yeah, might not be what you were planning on. I mean, look, I mean, so much of the promise of LAPD, especially under those first few those first few police chiefs, Bill Parker being one of those guys. Bill Parker's the one. Bill Parker's the one was, I mean, they were recruiting guys out of the clan. Like, you know, literally they was coming just like they do now, but they was coming down south. Because I don't know, like I see this on the subway here, always these advertisements for police departments, in different places, but they were specifically going to the south to deal with what was on the way. Oh, yeah. I mean, I feel like, and I don't know if it was in this book or something, there was a map

that outlines a part of L.A. where they had cordoned off black people. And it was called something not unlike Rick Perry's infamous ranch in Texas. It was in something Gulch. They said it was N-I-G-G-E-R-G-R-G-Golch in L.A. So, yeah, I mean, it's, You know, I mean, look, if anybody had family in L.A. or in California, and I did, I had family on my mother's side in Oakland and in my father's side in Carson. And it like, those people were like, hey, man, this is paradise. You know, I mean, they still had, they said, they had a lot of the same struggles that they would have had if they stayed in Louisiana or East Texas or Arkansas, with my family's from, too. But Arkansas, though, a whole other kettle of fish, of course. Yes. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. As I say, Mississippi is 38% black. You make Colorado 38% black. You will make Colorado into Mississippi. That snow might as well be cotton.

They had us doing. They had us out there picking snow. And if I had us out there bawling up snow and they be putting food coloring in it and then they be eating it. I mean, look, man, I mean, there's a reason. I mean, if once I think I want to say there's only one county west of the Mississippi, Once you get past like Texas or something, or California, and I'm going to get this wrong.

But there's only one county in California that has more than the percentage of black people in the United States. So, you know, like black people, at least once in one time, made up 12% of the American population. There's only one county in California that has more than 12% black people. Was that Alameda? I think it's Solano County now. It used to be. It used to be, but Solano is Bay Area adjacent. So Valero, for people that.

No, no, that was the thing I learned when I got to California. Hey, it ain't really. Well, California is like Texas. It is a lot of black people. Mm-hmm. Just not by percentage. Right, right. You can find your people there.

Yes. Yes. The difference between Texas, though, in California, in that sense, is that in California, the black people are all in Los Angeles and Oakland. And, like, little places like Rialto, right? and then folks like I necessarily know, but they're all in those spaces. Once you get outside of there,

have you ever seen 48 hours? Bro. Look, man, I once went to a wedding in Oxnard. It was 2017. And my then-girlfriend, our wife, we went to get brunch at Ventura County. Brother, let me tell you when I was so uncomfortable,

I was like, I don't, I don't think we belong here. You know what I'm saying, let's get our little pancakes and going about our business. Yeah, it's, you know, I love California, but you can feel really lonely as a black person. Well, are you up on what's going on in Huntington Beach? Well, I mean, like right now or in the long arch of history.

They've got a thing where basically the city council is called Full All MAGA. And it's difficult for me to explain in this place. But for people who don't know, Huntington Beach is in Orange County. And it's, they ain't so happy to see me. I used to do a TV show where they put you up in Huntington Beach because they don't think nothing about it. A very nice hotel in Huntington Beach, but they put you. up in Huntington Beach. But Huntington Beach is not a little sundowny. It's hostile to us. And I've tried to stay there before. And somebody might have been you that said, you might not want to

stay there. Yeah. No. So it's funny that you say that because there are places in the south or like places in Texas in particular, right? Like Viter is the one that we talk about all the time. But really, once you get east of Harris County, like east of Baytown, on I-10, there are places. that are fairly hostile to us. Like, that's a fair place to put it. Yes. There are places in California that are hostile to us that are a lot closer to cities.

Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Oh, yeah. I mean, look, I mean, with the Rodney King trial was held, man. Simi Valley. I mean, that is not a place where black folks, I mean, it may have changed in the last 30 years or so. Maybe I'm sure there's a little bit more uptick in black folks,

but that is not a place that you want to be for the most people. California. Not quite what people think. That's all we say it. That's all we say it. This is an interesting for you that we took you. Not a Joel, Joel out of there. You know what I'm saying? Joel over in the DC Metro. I mean, I'm in the DMV, man. And I just kind of say, I mean, Maryland is, I did not have a conception of the state outside of Baltimore. I've spent a lot of time with Baltimore, mostly for bad stuff. So like the Freddie Gray trial and the riots after Freddie Gray. So I didn't really have a conception of Maryland. But I have to say this is one of the most. diverse, interesting places I've ever been in my life. I cannot get my arms around it. And it's fun because it's so diverse, but also it reminds me so much of the South. And I don't know. I've been trying to explain.

It is the South. It is the South. But like it feels like Atlanta. It feels like it feels like Little Rock. It feels like Boja Parrish to me. All at the same time in a lot of places. So I'm still trying to figure it out. But it's got to be one of the, it's one of the, it's one.

of the more unique places I've ever been in this country. Speaking of getting outside the city. Oh, Maryland? Yeah. You know what? I can believe it. I can believe it. I can believe it. I can believe it. Getting towards east. I mean, look, man, the way they, Maryland was one of them states a few years ago. I think when the federal government used to have that sort of a mandate or a mission, I mean, they were going after the state for short change in the HBCUs here.

So like, you know, Morgan State and Maryland Eastern Shore, you know. Hey, brother, they own slaves there. Like, that's just the, that's, that's, that's the, that's the, that, that metric still matters. They owned slaves there. Absolutely. I mean, look, I, I, I stayed at an Airbnb, uh, for a couple of weeks in, in an area called Mount Rainier. And I was telling people, I was like, these kind of New Orleans plantation type looking, like, like, they're not plantation homes, but this got the, you know, the large front porch and stuff like that. And I was like, this feels very antebellum to me.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Almost like they own slaves. Hard turn. We tried to figure out what we was going to talk about. Did we just bounce around?

All this or whatever. Joe had an actual sports thing. You wanted to mention. And you have a take on Shudorah Sanders? Yes. So, I mean, I know that like, I mean, we've talked about him before and there's a lot of skepticism around just the talent, right? Like, is he the first round guy?

But there was this, you know, the scuttle butt around him is that all these teams did not like him because he interviewed poorly and all this other stuff. And I was thinking, I was like, is it possible that he's doing that intentionally? And also because anybody, if there's anybody that is really skeptical of the draft process, don't you think it's Dionne Sanders?

And he may be, I could imagine him imparting to Shadour. Like, first of all, it's really important where you go in the NFL. Like, you can't, you can't just let anybody draft you. Like, you do not want to go. If you're a quarterback, And I don't care who's running the franchise, you probably are going to look askew at like the Cleveland Browns, right? You're like, I don't, I just don't know if I want to be there, right?

And I just wonder if Shador took what I think is a reasonable approach. I don't respect this organization. I don't necessarily respect this process. And I'm not going to engage with it as if it is deserving of my respect. I don't know if he went in there and tank those interviews or he was going in there, you know, trying to, you know, being fully himself. I wonder if he went in there with a plan to do that sort of stuff. And I kind of, I could, I can sort of ride with that.

Because I don't know that, I mean, we know so much more about the NFL draft process now, now that athletes have their own voice, and they talk about the things that they did. I was listening to Keon Coleman the other day talking about a team got mad at him for wanting candy after he'd gone through all these interviews. And I'm just like, some of this stuff is stupid. And it could just be the Shador Sanders, given that he has, you know, the privilege of being the child of a former NFL star. You know, he probably is not going to be a top five pick. So he could just look at somebody like the Saints, which, you know, is run by Jeff Island.

And people know who Jeff Island is. You know, if you could go back a few years, his role in the Des Bryant. Put a pen in that one because I think he got a bad rap there. You think so? My understanding after those years in Miami is that he asked the, basically he asked Des Bride if Des Bryant's mother was a prostitute. Yes. but he asked that question based on what he was being told in real time. That his father was, uh,

yeah, no, but it was like trying to understand what somebody is saying to you and you're like, are you saying that, dot, dot, dot, that it was not, he didn't just pull it out of air like, like, yo, man,

your mom's out here turning tricks as much as this is what I am now being told. Da, da, da, da. It was, it was not, it was not as far afield as I believed it was in real time. But to your point, I think you put two things together that I struggle to reconcile, right? That is, I don't think that it was a rebellion of I rebuke the process and the process is beneath my respect. I don't think that's unlikely to be what happened, right?

And if he does think the process is beneath his respect, I would need to know why it is before I ascribed my rationale as to why he would find it beneath his respect before I ignore what a lot of the sides seem to point to, which is the boy, might be an orifice. It is well within the realm of possibility that he is an orifice. I'm not saying he is, but that is possible, right? What I do think, though, that I agree with, and that is entirely possible because somebody I talked to who was at the combine said that what they were hearing was the people who were cutting him slack were saying that they wondered if he was doing it on purpose. It was either that off-putting or seemed to be calculated in the sense that he was trying to avoid perhaps going places that he did not want to go. And I agree with you in the sense that if your dad's Dion Sanders,

you don't necessarily need to get the money that comes from going early and everything else. So I think that would be rather than showing a disrespect for the process, that would be attempting to manipulate the process to get to the place that you want to go. Now again, I am curious where they would, what would they deem to be the place that they want to go because the places that Dion had talked about before were all the places he played. Washington, Baltimore, I think he said San Francisco. I remember it was places with black people, but also coincidentally, they were all places that he played.

Right. I mean, I don't, you know, it's tough to know if the commanders actually have a solid front office in place or if they just happen to draft Jayton Daniels, right? But the ones that you've mentioned, Baltimore and San Francisco, those would kind of be the sort of organizations that you would want to play for if you're going to come into the league, right? Like, I mean, a guy that's not physically, necessarily physically talented. He's going to need a lot of help around him and he's going to need good coaching and all sort of to scheme him up. It makes a lot of sense to me. Like, I mean, you know what I mean?

Like, I mean, you name franchises that, right, that Dion had some affiliation with, but they're also, reputationalally, well-run franchises. I would not, if I were Dion, I would not want Chouder to play for the 49ers. Because they think of quarterbacks as expendable. Well, two things. I don't think they think of them necessarily as being expendable. I think they're about to get back up the truck for Brock Purdy, for example. But it's two things. One, one thing we do know that Kyle Shanahan prioritizes is getting the ball out, which is not what this young man does.

right? Like part of the charm of him is his willingness to stand in there. And there's a value in that. I don't want to pretend like it's not. But I don't think, I don't think that that's film that Kyle Shanahan looks at and is like, oh, I want to do that. Number two, I've watched Kyle Shanahan destroy two quarterbacks before. And it could be you if he sowers on you. Your boy, those guys get hurt all the time. His quarterbacks seem- They also get hurt all the time. They get hurt a lot, man. They take a lot of punishment. And it ain't like Shadoor somebody that's going to be able to escape a lot of punishment. Right. in the league, right? He was hurt a lot of Colorado. I mean, he took a lot of punishment there. So I can sort of ride with that. But I do think, though, it offers you that I could, I could understand being sure and being like, I could go into that offense. I have a lot of support. Hold on. How much support? Well, I guess Debo's gone. I mean, not is Debo gone. Do you know how many times Debo San Luis made the pro bowl? One?

One. Right. Is that right? Yeah. That sounds like, I was going back and looking at it and being like, you know, this might be a great nickname at work. I am not exactly sure how good. Look, they just moved before a fifth round pick. Iyuk came in there and got hurt. Christian McCaffrey, look, running backs, it's cool until it isn't. And he was real hurt last year. I would not, I don't think it's reasonable to assume that it's going to be like on and cracking with him. The Trent Williams thing, Trent Williams has been playing in the NFL. I want to say since the year 2009. How old is this Trent Williams? Is he 30? he's got to be 38.

Like, 08 was his last season at OU. Right. And I think he stayed four years, but O'8 was his last year at OU. He was drafted in O'9. As you always like to bring up, Brian O'Rockpo got the best of Trump Williams. Brian of Rockpool too.

Look here, Brian O'Rack, Po gave that boy to work. It took me a good 10 years to realize that Trent Williams was a Hall of Fame caliber player. A Rackpo gave him to work. and Lo and Hold got it from Kendall on that game. I don't know why.

Look, here's the thing. You talk about, you put all the voice and all of that stuff. You remember that shit. You saw it. Ain't his ass up. I mean, those were good Texas teams. So, I mean, look, it could have happened then. So Williams was blocking for, man, I mean, we are going back of time.

Sam Bradford. Sam Bradford, yeah, man. Ooh, what a, what a run back of time. That guy's already old. Yeah. I mean, I hear you. Yeah, so Trent is old. It could be that they're about to go through a down cycle.

But I think the thing is, is that you're taking a chance that Shanahan and Lynch can build a roster that will ultimately support him, right? It's kind of like when Ozzie Newsom was at the Ravens. It's like, oh, I think that they're going to be able to figure it out. They'll come up with a supporting cast. Well, let me ask you a question on that front. We stumbled on the good stuff, right? I was saying, we need to find a way to get to the chop up the first part of the show and put it on the back. How many bad seasons could, is someone like Kyle Shanahan allowed to endure before turning it around?

So like Sean Payton, for example, they had, I want to say two, three down years there. He had won that Super Bowl and the historical importance of he and Drew Brees for that city. He could stay while they were down. Every time we talk about Cowher and having the, I mean, not Cowher, Mike Tomlin having the winning season every year or whatever. and yes, that is a bit of an overrated stat. But it's worth noting Bill Cowher cannot say that. Bill Cowher had a couple of down years and then a pickup, but he was allowed to endure that.

He had the goodwill on the front end that he could do that. If you are the 49ers, how long would you allow? Keep it in mind, the thing with Kyle Shanahan is either you're going to go to the NFC championship game or you're not going to make the playoffs. Well, the reason you're not going to make the playoffs, right? it's because you're decimated by injuries. Yes, but whatever it comes down to, right? I'm looking at this now.

Okay, his seasons, six and four, four and twelve, 13 and three, six and ten, 10 and seven, but made the NFC championship game. 13 and four made the NFC championship game. 12 and five made the Super Bowl, six and 11. Like, there's no in between here with this dude. And so how much time do you let him have if they're bad? Forever.

You said eight seasons. Two of those ended in the Super Bowl. Two ended in the intensive championship game. There's no game. You know, this, I'm a very, I don't like, I believe in sticking with guys and especially when they show in the capacity for, like, greatness. And if I was a fan of an NFL team and I'm not anymore, you know, I'm still, I'm up for grabs.

Like, I might be a commander's fan now. You know, we'll see. I'm, I'm sorting through some things. But if you told me that half the time, my team might have a be a super, you know, a Super Bowl contender? I mean, wouldn't you buy that? Wouldn't you? I think you raise a fair point, and I totally understand a lot.

I don't think, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying you and I are a bit more reasonable, generally speaking, than the people about whom we are talking. Right. Well, I mean, also, I'll just, I mean, you know, I can also take care of that to the extreme because I remember, and I may have mentioned this on here before, I remember being like, who is Georgia to fire? Mark Rick.

Yeah, Mark Rick. Who is Georgia and five Mark Rick? They have eight-win program. They have no rights to think that they deserve to be any better. And I'm just like, isn't it okay to be the Seattle Supersonics, man? You know, just George Carr. I just win 54 games a year. We contender every year.

Like I'm very much into that kind of thing. I think winning is underrated. But I agree with you. And I see, I just think it becomes interesting with Shanahan because it's a peaks in valleys situation. Right. his career record is 70 and 62. Man. Right.

Let me see what Jeff Fisher's career record is then. It's not that good. Jeff Fisher is right there at the 50-50 line. 178 and 171. He's 710. He's 7-0500. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like he's right, he got right there at the 150. But the difference also, Shannon, the playoffs is 8 and 4. Like this is a, it is a fascinating tenure that he has had. What I think is happening here in part in, and this is where people get it get it mixed up. Brock Purdy erases the mistake of drafting Traylands. Brock Purdy does not erase the mistake of trading for Traylands.

And all those picks that they had to give up now is when this becomes a thing. Like he is so lucky this Purdy thing managed to work out. Like that, nobody can really claim credit for that. Like that's just not, that's just not how it worked. You got lucky and you got the guy with the last pick of the draft that I think is not a franchise quarterback, but a starting quarterback. And those are two different things, right? But you got this guy.

But what you're going to do with that guy once you have to pay him $50 million? Like, I'm very curious to see how long this, like what, not just how long it goes, also how they go, whether they go keep Kyle Shanhan or not, but really just how this goes. What kind of team can you put together under? the circumstances they're going to be in. I mean, that's a fair point. I mean, also it's like, and your boy, Nick Wright always talks about this, about how the 49ers had the Avengers, and they made Brock Party look much better than he is.

Is Brock Party going to look like Brock Purdy without the DeBo's? If Brandon gets hurt. We have Chris McAfree never returns to form. If Trent Williams, you know, can make it through a season. What Brock Purdy is that you don't find that much is a player of moderate talent, but a star's confidence, but, not really irresponsible. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Like, if he sees the throw, he's going to make the throw. Man, I mean, that's, and that's the amazing thing. I saw, I mean, I mean, you're probably the same way. I was a Big 12 football fan, you know, I saw Brock Purdy play for four years. I was like, okay, cool. If Brock Party was on the other side, was on the other side line, I was like, I think we have a chance today.

You know? Yeah. And so he has gotten the most out of a very limited set of. talent and I have to applaud the man for that. But if what I want to build my whole team around him, is that the plan? But see, that's the thing. I don't think Shanahan won't do that either. He was the one talking about Sam Darno looked like Steve Young a couple years ago. He did. You know? Maybe he was right about it. Rock Purdy is your Trent Williams. I would like to take a moment

right fast to throw this out here. I looked at the Kyle Shadahan Wiki page and they have his tenure for the 49ers. And they haven't like really broken it up into seasons. It'll just be a paragraph, oh, the 2017 season. Oh, the 2018 season. It's a paragraph for the 2019 season. It's a paragraph for the 2020 season. It's a paragraph for 2020. The paragraphs very in link based upon the outcome of the season. But at the same time, the 2023 pair, yeah, the 2020, 2020, even got two paragraphs because they went to the Super Bowl, right? I'm going to read to you the 2024 paragraph. In a season marred by injury, Shanahan led the team to a six and 11 record. Let, oh gosh. That's the end. That's it. In a season bar, I mean, that, I mean, that is the, that is the Kyle Shaddenhan off season, by the way. I mean, like, it's the one year, like, under the next year, and a season bar by injuries.

If you have a team that thrives on physicality and beating dudes up, you know what's also happening? Them dudes are getting hurt, too. It's hard to play physical like that, especially not that they got 17 games. You can't just count on that. You just can't count on your team being healthy and beating up dudes year after year, kind of like your boys. you know, the lions. Oh, oh, I didn't know who you. Look, all I knew is that you was, you know, probably being snide in some form of fashion.

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restrictions vary by jurisdiction pick six not available everywhere including new york and ontario voidware prohibited one per new customer bonus awarded as a non-wadrawable pick six credit that expire in 14 days limited time offer joel out here talking about my lions and there is i think the lion I mean, the Lions had an element of bad luck last year because everybody was just getting hurt. Like, this wasn't like torn ACLs. A tort ACL is not a byproduct of the physicality of your play, right? That's just a, you know, it goes to a point and then it doesn't.

I just worry about them because, hey, man, windows aren't permanent. Oh. Right? Windows aren't permanent. They are suffering now from a brain drain, right? Your offensive and your defensive coordinator have gone. Ben Johnson, old big brain ass. He's taking a whole bunch of cats.

over there with him. Like they're going to have to put some things back together, but they're also at the very least going to start the season a little healthier than next year. But you're right about that. The thing about football is when you hit people hard, it's not because you hitting them with a baseball bat or a sledgehammer. It's because you hit them with you.

You got to use your body for that. And actually, it was Dan Campbell that said that a couple years ago when they lost in the playoffs. And he said, we might not get back here again. And I mean, that is the reality of the situation. I mean, we have no idea. I mean, there's an idea that J. Daniels and the commanders on the, you know, on the swing.

But you just, look, sometimes you catch a break in the playoffs and it'll fool you into thinking that you are better than you are, you know? Amen. Safe bet on him personally is regression. Yeah. And I don't mean like he'll be terrible. Right. But I would not expect, put it like this, statistically, I would not expect him to have

another season like that. You can be better and your stats not be as. good. Like Josh Allen, I don't think he's ever going to put up stats like he did in that 2020 season again, for example. Patrick Mahomes is probably never again going to throw for 5,000 yards, but you're not going to tell me that he's worse now than he was then. Like, it's hard for me to grasp. But I do think that some level of regression is possible. Yeah. Like they're likely, in fact. C.J. Stroud just this year. Yes. He was not what he was as a rookie. Well, he also, he was out there for Dolow boy. Good gracious. I mean, look, man. Is any, anybody,

So I covered the Texans in like 2002, 2003, 2004, when they let Dave Carr get beat to death. Man, that's not, that is not good for your future, bro. You've got to get that man some help. And letting your quarterback get out there and get his ass beat, that is a quick way back into the top of the draft again. No, no, no. You are 100% correct about that one.

And look, the guarantee way to end up at the top of the draft is your offensive line is bad. Right. Like that is nothing will get you there faster than your offensive line is bad. Yes. Period. Absolutely. Also, I mean, it's just funny because what a luxury it is to end up at the top of the draft again and you got a quarterback. It must feel so good.

If you're like, I got a top, I got a good quarterback and I can just pick from the best of the rest. I don't have to decide, oh, is Cam Wood, that dude? You know, I don't have to, I don't have to project. Oh, this pick is for trade. Like if you have a quarterback and you're in a draft that has quarterbacks, but you don't need a quarterback, baby, we are open for business. I have a quick projection about this. I know people are saying that Shadour and Jackson Dart and all this. This is a quarterback week draft and that people are not going to overdraft.

I think the thing is that I feel like with the exception of a couple years, almost. Every year people get panicked and start drafting dudes in the first round quarterbacks that they should not be drafting. And I feel like I feel like that's, I'm not, I wouldn't put money on this. I feel like Jackson Darts going to be a first round pick. So somebody I trust a great deal told me don't fall for it specifically with him. But I am starting to, the mock drafts are worth checking just because it starts being a result of what you're hearing. and people are starting to kind of sort of like talk themselves into the idea of Jackson Dart. So yes, it is possible that somebody panics.

But to me, what is important about that, the ceiling is what's going to make somebody panic. Right. Like you've got to believe, to me, you've got to believe a quarterback you take in the first round has the potential to be a pro bowler. Like, maybe not even necessarily an all pro, but you've got to believe that that, ceiling is there. And very rarely does a guy with a high ceiling, Lamar Jackson being the obvious example here, very rarely does a high ceiling guy fall. So take Dak Prescott for an example. Dak Prescott has clearly exceeded every expectation of a fourth round pick. I have raised the question many times how first team all SEC quarterback twice, even with the DUI, managed to fall as far as he did

in the draft. And what we have seen, in spite of what I think has been a largely excellent career, right? Where you look at it year by year, I mean, definitely at the bank, boy, he's a legend when he show up. He alleged at the bank in such a way the one could argue that it has impeded his progress as an NFL player. Like, I saw my buddy Nick make this point and I see others about the Joe Burrow side. That's Joe Burrow, the T. Higgin siding with the Bengals. Does Joe Burrow need all that, right? Like, you're acting like Joe Burrow is a mid-tier dude. Meanwhile, down in Dallas, Dak gets C.D. Lamb, and then you figure in the rest out from there, and he doesn't seem to be that guy. And when it's come down to nut cutting time with Dak, year after year, is the issue that he has

the ceiling of a fourth round pick? You know what I mean? Like, the ceiling is the ceiling the issue, that there's a level that he cannot rise to. It's just crazy because you think when you talk about ceiling, it's like, okay, DAC is big, DAC is strong. Dak used to be, I mean, considered, I mean, the issue was like, can that boy throw? You know, like, so he was very athletic. And so it's funny that you mentioned it that way. So, yeah, well, okay, I'll pose it to you like this because you actually talked about him

another one. And I've been fascinated with this dude since he went to Alabama. Would you take Jaylor Mill Road over Jackson Dart? I told people this was going to happen, by the way. I told people that the, the Mill Rise was. was coming. I think me and Mina were talking about this. Hey man,

somebody going to get a look at him and be like, oh, I don't think I said about Anthony Richardson that I would be terrified to take him in the first round. And then I talked myself into the idea that I would do the terrifying thing. And my reasons for why I would be terrified to take him in the first round

are actually not the reasons that apparently you should have been terrified to take him in the first round. Like I subscribed Tyler Dunn's. newsletter go long, which I get, I particularly if you're a fan of the bills or the Packers, I highly recommend. But also if you're just, you know, if you're really, really into NFL stuff, I do it because I like him. And anybody I see that used to work a job and not worse for themselves, I throw you a little money every month. You know what I'm saying? I'm down for the squad. But this is when the newsletter this week, and I did not realize that they had rolled up on Anthony

Richardson drunk at the Manning Passing Academy. Oh, man. And they went and got them to take him back and he says something wild to the cops on the way out. What? Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no, no. The Anthony Richardson needs to grow up thing goes back and seems to be in large part to issue now. But worth noting about Richardson, when he came back after the benching, he played

pretty well. Like maybe the thing has happened, right? Like maybe he's gotten it figured out. But yeah, I was like, I would be terrified to take. him. Jalen Milro. That's the same thing. And it's not a maturity thing.

He seems to be a much more mature guy. But just in terms of watching him play, I would be terrified to take him early. But if he's there in the middle of the second round, he's got to be so frustrating because I've watched him play. Yeah, I don't know. This is going to sound so weak. I kind of became an Alabama fan over the last decade or so.

Just because I like the way they play football. Like, I mean, that's just bottom line. I like that old school beating up dudes, you know, athletes. Yeah, but do you know when I really became a Jaila Milrow friend? And my Houston folks are going to know what I might know about this. So Jaila Milro went to a high school called Katie Tompkins. Okay. So Katie used to be like maybe a one or two school district, you know.

Two. It was Katie and Katie Taylor. Katie Taylor, right. And then Mady Creek popped up a little bit later. And so Katie has had this explosion. But the Katie High School team, the main, the original school, has been a dominant program, you know, one of the great high school programs in the country and certainly- Andy Dalton went there for reference.

Andy Dalton went there. That's right. That's right. And Jaylon Milro beat Katie, Katie Tompkins. And like, Katie had won like 70 straight district games before that. And I'm like, anybody that could beat Katie by me, I'm not going to say he bait him by himself. But to do that, I'm like, damn, that must be something in that boy. Like, you know, I look at that.

I'm like, if that's on your record, I might have a little faith. see you, bro. And so I'm waiting for it to clip. And I would much rather, I would much rather take my chances on a brother like that. And, you know, he seems like he's got the maturity and everything else. And I'm impressed with him. You know what I'm saying? Like from what I can see from afar. He seems bigger on television than apparently he is. Apparently from the common body measured at 6-1 to 7-8 to 217 pounds. I thought he was a much. 17. Really? I thought maybe he lost a weight, but I thought that he was a much bigger guy. I thought he was 6-2-230. You know.

Yeah, me too. Me too. Like, apparently he'd be in there on the whites. My favorite detail about Milro in this draft is, I don't think you have seen this, that somewhere his hand measured at eight and three quarters inches, and they got all the exercises you can do to increase your hand span measurement, and it went from eight and three quarter to nine and three eighths.

Man, like that is, if that were, if you jump that much, have that much of a jump in your SAT score, they make you take it again. They'll flag you. They'll do the dead rose to you. It's like, uh-uh, no, bro. We don't believe that. Take that again.

And we're going to watch you take this bitch too. In a room by yourself. Yes. Yes. Yes. Like, that's what's going to happen there. But I still think somebody going to go out there. And we know what what Daniel are going to try to do.

You're going to try to let all the nice sayers know. Let them know. Hey, man. Look, so I will have to say this. We interview Reese Davis over my podcast, the press box pod. And apparently it is all. always been little naysay or no you know what i'm saying like i did not i really thought all all that's the key yeah yeah right right so i was like okay i mean if that's what they want to say if that's the story

they're going with i i'll choose to believe it um both though i actually have a i want to shift for a second because you haven't talked about this and i'm kind of so i know you're going to you know you're about to you're about to take another luxury vacation you know what i'm saying bo be sending bobe be sending pictures from all over the globe. Just, you know, lucky, lucky-ass single, rich man. You know what I'm saying? Just doing it all. Man, I'm trying to, here I am thinking my friends are happy for me, you know what I'm saying? I am happy for you, but you know what I'm saying? I was like, all right. And so I told you this. Like, you know, Bo's been to like Switzerland, Hawaii, Portugal, Iceland, you know, and look, I'm jealous of that. But this brother went to Houston recently as a special guest

of Bunby and I'm like bro I mean I'm taking myself back to like 1992 at my kitchen table listening to tell me something good

on 97.9 to box bro you were hanging out with Bunby you were a special invited guest of Bunby in Houston bro I've never been more jealous of you in my life

I swear it was a good time bad it was a good time oh you know Bunby birthday there's Black Heritage Day at the Houston livestock show and rodeo. By the way, which is still officially called the Houston livestock show and Rodeo. Like, they still have the old logo. They just got to make it for the future and call

a Rodeo Houston. You know what I'm saying? And so they got, they got Black people night at the rodeo. And actually, that also involved watching a lot of the actual rodeo. And that's, man, Peter must not got no Kevlar. And that's why they don't be showing up. Like, I'm surprised that Peter, somebody don't tell Peter keep your ass at home because I can't believe that they're not out there, boy. I mean, they don't, they ain't got the temerity to step in Texas and tell them what to do. You know what I'm saying? So the thing is, I tell people this all the time that, you know, like, I think I lived in Houston the same number of years I lived in Atlanta. But there's no question to me. I am from Houston. Like, that is where I grow up. And every now and then,

I don't have the same attachment to it that I think that most people from Houston do it. I don't make it there that much. But something happens when I get there from time to time. And I'm like, nope, this is where I am from. And it is the fact that it had been a long time since I've seen a and I had to get up the speed, but I was like, nope, I know exactly where I am right now. But if I were not from here and I was watching this, I would have been mortified. It would have probably felt a little uncomfortable. It would feel a little uncomfortable. I mean, making the kids run around and trying to tackle the sheep.

Like that was the, I'm like, yo, what are you doing? You wouldn't have done that as a kid? That seemed kind of fun. I mean, I'm not saying I wouldn't have done it. I'm not sure my mama would have let me. Really? You know what I'm saying? My point is just simply, if I take somebody that ain't from here and I tell them that we

is going to have a bunch of kids out here running, trying to tackle a sheep. I mean, man, it's a whole other world, man. It's a whole other world. But wait, so how do you become friends with Bun B? Because I'm, I'm jealous of this. And if Bun B is listening to this, I'm available to be your friend too, brother. Now, I can't go. It's the magic of the internet.

The first thing I remember, though, was I once did a blog post about UGK. Riding Dirty and he came across it. And then we would kind of like DM back and forth. And he's listening to stuff I've done. Obviously, you know, I've checked out things he's done. We were on a panel together at South by Southwest. But no, it is incredibly cool to me also. Like I called him.

The show was on Friday night. I called him on Saturday morning. Just talked to him about it. We talked for about an hour just, you know, talking about how the show came together, everything, you know, and a few other things. And I sit there and I'm like, yo. So this is a true story. In 2005, when you put out the Trill album, I did an interview with him for AOL, and I had it on tape.

And I, you know, put the Q&A and put it together. me and my boy Aiton got together and we sat and I pressed play on that tape and we listened to it like it was an album. You know what I'm saying? Like we sat and listened to this interview. Like it was like a like a Malcolm X record. You know what I'm saying? Like we really sat up there. And so no, it is wild to me that this could be the case in any form of fashion.

He had to pop up at a store in the gallery. I went a hollered at him there. So Andre Johnson saw Bintner Cruz, a couple of us. the cat's in there, but I pulled up all of me, let me through, you know, all that. Talk for a minute. So, yeah, no, I think it's really cool, too. Does it make you miss home? So the thing I say about me and my relationship with Houston that I have to acknowledge is somebody from way far north, right? Yeah. How I felt about Houston would be a little different, A, if I had lived there past 16, like more than one year with a driver's license, right? And number two, if I grew up in a different

part of town. He was a lot more fun to farther south you go. Like north side has got to be real about that. You know what I'm saying? Like, uh, ain't nobody on the south side. Ever been like, fool. I got cousins on the north side. It doesn't work that way. You know? Like nobody's, nobody's ever done that. Y'all didn't have lights. Y'all didn't have lights out there when I was coming up. Like you had to go on that side of time. It'd be dark out there. We weren't that far. We had lights. We had lights. We had lights. We had lights. We had lights. We had lights. We had lights. We had lights. We had lights. I got that to me.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I know, to you. See, this is also, but I'm going to undercut your credibility. And Bun, if you listen to this. Why would you, hold on, why would you feel the need to do that? Why would you feel the need to say that before you even went into it? Because I want to be his friend, okay, instead of you. So you were talking about.

Why is this a zero-sum game? Well, I mean, that's just the reality situation. I'm just asking you right now. I'm just asking, I'm going to just throw this out here right now, is you try to be his friend and not. me. Does this, what you, the behavior that you're engaging in it right now, does this sound like something that Pemsey will respect? He would appreciate call out coach. Does this sound like something? I think Chad would appreciate call out culture. And he sometimes, he's like, sometimes they can only

be one, brother. You know what I'm saying? And he would respect me for doing it into your face and not behind your back. I bet I bet you would respect that. Gone, man. Gone. What's going to do? So you were talking about them college basketball coaches the other week. And you did not talk about 69 year old Kelvin Samson. Head coach. What about them? Or the top six. You at University of Houston Cougars. What about him? Why didn't you, I mean, you were talking about, oh, you know, Cooper Flag and all these, you know,

I know, you talked about Rutgers. You talked about Rutgers, bro. You didn't even talk about Houston, man. And we're talking about the team that has a real chance to be a national championship contenders here. Why did you bring them up? You know what I'm saying? What do you have against?

You're more of a way. I know you're a UT fan, you know what I'm saying? Which is also kind of, that kind of undercuture. You know I don't do that. I know Bundon for long. horns. I don't know if, A, I don't know if you know that. And number two, you know I don't do that no more. Sure. Okay. Anyway, so I just, I was a little disappointed that, you know, the coogs didn't come up, you know, and I don't, I'm sorry. By the way, you think Kelvin Samson on the phone

with somebody right now? Only man never to lose his job for talking on the goddamn phone too much. You remember that? I mean, so it's kind of like where you were talking about how some team, some, some programs should have swallowed their pride and hired Rick Petino. I know Indiana is like, man, what do we do? It was not, what they did in the time they did, it was not unreasonable because that team had a lot of drama going on, like beyond the telephone stuff. I'll never forget, I covered the last game they played that season. They played in the NCAA tournament in that same pod, the Steph Curry said the world on fire

in, Raleigh, and Dan Dockich, my buddy, uh, Dan, Dan, was the interim coach. And I'm not blaming him for this to be clear, because trust me, if I could, I would, but I'm not. I've never seen a team more out, more done, flat out, quit in the way. That was the Eric Gordon, DJ White. I've never seen a team quit on a year. Yeah. Like that team clearly had done by the end of that year. If you had to play for Dan Dachas, you might have, you know what I'm saying? You might have quit too. There. You know? I'd say, I saw Dan Dachas once. I saw him in Vegas during the summer league. And I ain't got no, I'm not a fan of his

and he really doesn't like me, but I don't have any beef at that time. I ain't no beef with Docke. He's actually the one thing. One thing is Docch on the mic as a color commentator for college basketball might have been the best one. And the man got a legit claim to fame of

I helped put the clamps on Michael Jordan. Like, he got all that stuff. But I saw him in Vegas and I said something to him and he looked a little surprise that I said something. He ain't even seen it have a problem with him. Boy, you hear Daddick's talk about me all. You would think that it was like full on hate each other.

It didn't feel like that when I saw him. And I don't mean that like you were tough. I mean that literally like didn't really seem like beef. Yeah. But I saw him in Vegas. Okay. You know, people are different in person. You know what I'm saying? Maybe he was surprised you was as tall as you were. Yeah. But you know what, though? That was six years ago. I think it'd be a little more snarly. I mean, well, I would say about Dan Dachish, by the way, too. Is it sort of undercuts to, I don't think. I don't know. I don't know. I'd say this. I'd be a little more snarly. I mean, well, I would say about Dan Dachish, by the way, too, is it sort of undercuts to. I sort of undercutst. argument that Michael Jordan is better than Brian. I know no damn. Although you know what, I know what you're going to do and I'm going to rebut you with a little boy, Jose Barreya. You know what I mean? First of all, it is. I do think it is Jose actually. But yeah, I was that did happen. I don't know what you're going to say. Well, because I was just like, you know, I was doing my jujitsu. I was like, oh, you know what? And he's going to go right there and try to undercut how Brian got shut down in the 2011. He did.

So. Okay. But Dan Dockis isn't 5'9. But Dan Dachis didn't make the lead. Dan Dachis isn't five nine. Dan Dachis didn't make the league, though. I mean, you would never hear no Dan Dachas walking about talking about talking about I could have stopped Brian. I'll tell you that much.

All I'm saying is this. You think JJ Bray out here talking about he can stop Michael Jordan? All I'm saying is that basically you made a good point. There seems to be a almost equivalent counterpoint. We should move on. We should move on. Real quick about Kelvin Samson, because I think this dude is like an under, and I don't know if it's going to require. I do think he's going to make the, I'm pretty sure he's going to make the Hall of Fame, right?

Yes. Right. Hall of Fame, I mean, Final Four at two schools. Right. And the only thing missing on his resume as a championship, I mean, that dude made Oklahoma into a power. Do you remember when Oklahoma made the Final Four? Do you know who the two best players on that team were? Was that howless price?

and not how Rod wasn't on that team. This is too late. It's Hollis Price and who is the other one? Aaron McGee. Two. Aaron McGee. Not McKee. No.

Aaron McGee. M.C. Capital G. Yeah. Neither of them dudes played in the league. Neither of them dudes played. In all respect to Hollis Price. Hollis Price is a Big 12 legend. I mean, a big 12 legend.

I just, you know, for his sake, I hope he gets to win a championship because I think, I think that like he's had like an underrated great career and it would just be nice to see him get his just do props. And he is, he has resurrected the first team I ever loved. The only team I, you know, I mean like I grew up, you know, my first memory as a fan is Lorenzo Charles. Okay. So I mean, I'm grateful to him for what he has done for the hometown team, but you know, I know that you didn't feel like bringing that up the other day. Hey, look. Okay, whatever.

And shout out to the Lum B out there. in North Carolina. I mean, yeah. I mean, so I don't know a lot about... Shout out to the Lumby. I didn't know about... He is of the Lumby. I didn't...

So I didn't know, I don't know about a lot about the Lumby's, but naming that kid is Kelvin. That was, that kind of threw me off. I'm going to say this very clearly because very often the Lumby are clearly about clear about this. They just say they Lumby. Calvin throw you off, though. Samson?

Yes, yes. That does. Kelvin, Samson. That does. And, I mean, okay, what do you think the police would put down if Kelvin got arrested? I know what I think. I'm just telling you after my time of living in North Carolina, one thing I know is that a lot of our Lumby brothers and sisters are very clear that they are Lum B, not our brothers and sisters. Me no black. I got it.

Just just just tell it. Just, just, just, just, just, just, just, Joel Anderson. My bad. Check him out at the Ringer. Welcome back, Ease, brother. Appreciate you. Thanks, man. Can't wait to see you, bro. Thanks for having me on. Hey, man. Appreciate that. Shaw, man, we got anything from perplexity? Yeah, I wanted to ask perplexity where they thought Jalen Milrow would get drafted and, you know, they're thinking he's expected to be drafted on day two of the draft, likely in the second or third round. They said his draft stock has fluctuated due to mixed performances, particularly after a less impressive showing at the Senior Bowl. But this is great. Some

mock drafts have suggested Millrow could fall as far as the 50-second pick to the Pittsburgh Steelers. A team that might be looking to draft a quarterback for future development would be an interesting fit if he landed with Mike Tomlin. Didn't they already have one of those when they called it Justin Fields? That's not a quarterback. Except Justin Fields is Drew Breeze compared to Jalen Milro. Fair point. With Jalen Milbrow.

And see, this is the thing about Joel people don't understand, man. Joel, and I've talked about this, nobody holds. the grudge like Joel and Joel respects people that hold grudges. He finds a kinship with grudge holders and when Jalen Milrow said that thing about how Bill O'Brien said he was in the quarterback, he was a running back, that's when Jalen Milro became

Joel's favorite player. Except the problem was Joel had probably said the same thing about Jalen Milrow himself. Speak your truth, brother. You know, speak your truth. Let them know. Let them know how they did you. Joel, how long you've been mad at that one man? Oh, I mean, he could get it today.

How long is it? How long he could get it? today. When did I leave Atlanta? 2012? So, what, it'll be closing in on 13 years? Honestly, I thought it was longer. I'm cutting you some slack. I thought it was longer. He could get it today and he know, you know, you know who you are. You know, you know who you are. I haven't forgot. I didn't forgot. You could get it today. You know what I'm saying? Notice I'm laughing. Sean's laughing. Guess who's not laughing? It's not a joke. It's not a game. I'm serious. Ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here on The Right Time. We do this three times a week.

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