The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Messi Stops Time, Is $100M Not Enough? | Bomani Jones & Domonique Foxworth

Episode Date: July 16, 2026

Bomani Jones is joined by Domonique Foxworth for a loaded episode of The Right Time, starting with Lionel Messi and why it feels like the whole game stops when he touches the ball. Bo and Domonique break down Argentina’s late-game magic, why England’s approach fell apart, and how Messi’s gravity bends a match even when he is not dominating every possession. Later, they dive into the athlete-money discourse and explain what players are really trying to say when they claim $100 million does not go as far as fans think. They talk about why that message always sounds out of touch, how young athletes can burn through huge contracts faster than people realize, why the real issue is lifestyle and financial literacy rather than sympathy, and how the whole conversation connects to athlete podcasts, boss culture, and Jay-Z’s version of capitalism. . Subscribe to Supercast for Ad-Free Episodes: https://righttime.supercast.com/ Buy 'The Right Time' merch: http://therighttimebomani.com/ Subscribe to The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Spotify, Apple or wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok for all the best moments from the show. Download Full Podcast Here: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6N7fDvgNz2EPDIOm49aj7M?si=FCb5EzTyTYuIy9-fWs4rQA&nd=1&utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-right-time-with-bomani-jones/id982639043?utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Follow The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Social Media: http://lnk.to/therighttime Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original. My name is Beaumani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. It is Foxworth on a Thursday.

Dominique Foxworth was going on? What's up, man? Like, when you said hater, it feels like now you've made it so that that word. It's synonymous with Joel. That's pretty funny because I never heard it before. But that time you said you had hated, then I heard you with Joel. I was like, oh, my man. Joel Anderson, four-star general.

In fact, that's what he is now. He's going to be a four-star general on this show. And every time he comes on, he wind up hating on something. It's just completely oblivious to the fact that it's transpiring. He do, though. But he's still, he's a great guy, though. I love Joel, man. but has he stopped fighting it?

I feel like he used to fight so he's not a hater. Do he just leaned in? Like, yeah. No, no, no. I don't think he's, I don't think he, if he did, he doesn't know that's what he's doing.

Okay. You see what I'm saying? I think he may be defiantly doing the thing without realizing that the thing is exactly what we say that the thing is. You know what I mean? But we got a lot to get to.

I want to start, though. Wednesday, you watch the soccer, you watch the soccer bowl on Wednesday, Argentina versus England. England? Absolutely. Well, first of all, the whole semifinals, the Copa de Colonialismo, or simply Copa de Racism. We had the French, the Spanish, the English. They don't colonize the whole world. And then Argentina, which is just like its own, like, little special. We was excited this year because it felt like there was a bunch of African teams doing well. Or I was excited. And then

all of a sudden. It felt like the first round. Maybe it was the new first round and the old first round. After that, all African teams was out. We were just back to what we normally got. And it was disappointing.

Nah, man, it went like the NCAA tournament, though. Like, you get you a little, little heat in the Sweet 16 and they get to Cinderella take our ass right back to the house. Look, man. The fact that Kay Verde had that chance against Argentina, that was the, that would have been the biggest upset,

like, in the history. That was like when Princeton played Georgetown, except inverted in so many different ways. But for those who don't know, I want to say like 1988 or somewhere in there, Georgetown was the number one seed and Princeton was the 16 and Princeton took it all the way to the end. But Argentina team look a lot more like Princeton team than Georgetown's team. They do it. They pulled out all these games at the end. But right, yeah, that Cape Verde game was, it was an incredible game they played.

And Argentina hasn't looked great. except for like the final parts of all these games. And then you're like, oh, shit. And it's just watching. Like, of course, I'm not like a super soccer guy, but there's some things that are helpful about having messy out there. You just focus on them. And you can understand a bunch of the things that are happening

and watch how the gravity of the defense just leans to them and his accuracy is just impressed. Like, you can't help but appreciate it. But still, I was disappointed. I was born in England, which I don't really claim them in any way. But I still was like, yeah. And my oldest daughter decided that Jude Bellingham was her homie. Yeah, yeah, her homie, that's right.

You got one of their passports? Nah, nah, nah, I was born on a military base. Oh, so you can't do that? Yeah, I can't. It's American turf, so that'd be nice, though. It'd be nice to have one. Look, man, you know, this day and age, you need as many, you need, it's kind of like just in case they don't take Amex, you know what I'm saying?

You always got to have that visa. It might backfire, though, because, my brother down in Houston and he said that they that he had to carry his passport around with him because they're running up on people. Oh. Ice running up on people.

He's like, he don't, like there's no accent. And they're like, what's your brother look like? Yeah. No, he's an American black, which I guess also could look like not an American white. Yeah. It's what he looks like.

I guess Houston, do got to Nigerians. So, okay, that's what that's what they go. Here's the thing about message. you mentioned that. I am like you. Like, I can relate soccer to other things, but I'm not, like, I'm not a big fan. I enjoy it when I watch it in the World Cup,

which honestly then makes it a letdown when I try to watch it in other stuff, right? Because I'm just watching it at the highest stakes possible. But when Messi get the ball, what I am fascinated by is it just feels like everything stops. Like, once he's got it, you can kick him to ball, and he can stop it, just put his foot on that bitch. And then everybody's like, uh-oh.

what's about to happen now. That's like I noticed when the ill dudes have the ball, everything stops. Like in the final France, Argentina in 2022 when Bapa had the hat trick in eight minutes. Yeah, it was like, oh, so that's what it looks like when the illus dudes out there, like, you watch this whole match. And the ball is just going back and forth

and pinball it and going all these places. But yet and still, like we've seen this with Argentina in multiple matches where it's just like, okay, but when it's time to go, it's amazing that even in this game, where scoring is so difficult. No, Katz could just be like, all right, let's go. And the last game we just watched, the thing that I noticed in watching, Messy, is how he,

and maybe it's also coach influence, but how he is looking for where there's a weak spot. And we discovered it at the end of the game. If you notice, both of those goals came with him off that right wing, where he was attacking that particular spot. He wasn't doing that for most of the game. was in the middle getting a ball in there and still creating a little bit of chaos because everybody freaks out when he gets the ball and you can't take it off his foot.

But eventually he just like worked his way to that right wing and kept working his way over there. And that he was just punishing him, getting double and triple teams just punishing him over there. Other thing too, man, I think soccer has an interesting characteristic that I just don't think we think that much about. But soccer don't got no shot clock. Yeah. Right?

Like in basketball, there was a need for a shot clock. We've discussed this many times, but it doesn't, you know, soccer doesn't have a shot clock. So that allows teams to make bad decisions, right? So bad teams, just like you would when you didn't have a shot clock back in a day, they basically run a form of four corners. The difference, though, in soccer is that when you run four corners, you run four corners with your defense,

as opposed to running four corners with your offense. In basketball, we just passed a ball around. and nobody gets it. And we've seen teams lose championship games off of that. The 1983 Houston, North Carolina State, the Jim Valvano game. At the end of that, Houston went to four corners. They tried to stall it out to hurry up and get to the end of the game, and then it ultimately cost them.

That is what happened in this game against England. And buddy, they are hot over there in England. There is very little funnier than listen to somebody to be furious in a British accent, and I'd have seen some of their TV and radio people how mad they were about this. And buddy, they are hot because they have not even been to the World Cup final since 1966. And they started this gangster shit. Like this is their game. And they just can't get there.

They've only had one Wimbledon champion in the last hundred whatever years. They let their corners get. That's what they get for all that colonializing. They spread all this shit all over the whole world, and now they ain't the best at nothing, and they might have could have had it. It was their chance, but no. I mean, the fact that matters,

their team is always really talented. They always got a chance. This year they looked really good. They weren't playing that four-corner style, but like they just got scared. They started putting in defender after defender at like the 60-minute mark. It was like, we just give up.

And that's the thing you made the good point at, the stallout in soccer is on defense, which reminds you of football where it's like prevent defense and it never really works. You started too early. And in this, what ends up happening is you just, your goalie gets pelted, man. He just gets peppered.

And like, Pickford was good, but you just can't stop them all. If you're just going to keep letting these world-class players shoot at your goal, like, it's going to happen. You're a much better position. Shout out to you for knowing any boy names, too. Oh, I ain't know it. I mean, I watch enough games. A couple of them stick in there.

You know, like I know Bellingham and Cain and Pickford. Yeah, I know Bellicke, I had a hair cane, but you can call him slayer cane. I know about him. I know a few of them, but yeah, they stand out because we've been watching them for a little while. But, yeah, and Pickford's name sticks in my mind because he was balling early. And it's like, yeah, you could ask him to make a couple great saves, but you're just going to keep letting these players shoot at him. It's ridiculous.

they're definitely going to lose that game. It felt like the momentum shifted. And then they couldn't shift back into it, which, like, you can, all that stuff is understandable. You don't have to be an expert in soccer to, like, feel the different things that happen in the game and know that it's really tough to go from, all right, hold on. Let's hold on to like, all right, we got to go get one.

So, yeah, it's disappointing, fine, or send me to me. Well, it's especially disappointing because, like, you know what I'm saying? Yep, yep. I mean, Argentina, they had a one team that's not like the other. other. Literally the only team in the whole wide world that ain't got

no black people. Maybe not the whole wild world, but the tournament, as I recall. And it's it feels... Or is it just the final? Because I can't mean, or just the knockout round. I feel like couldn't the whole world.

It feels very deliberate too. And like... Oh, yes. Because it's Argentina. Right. I know. But I've said that's the part that's bothersome is like giving, given your not only like deliberate from a historical standpoint, I guess deliberate is the wrong word. They are not ashamed of the sense of pride that is clear that they draw from it. And that's the part. Whereas like I've heard people argue like how could you root against Argentina as if England or France or America as if they don't have. have like a horrible racist past,

it's like, to me, it's the effort to at least pretend like you don't hate us. It's different. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's the Nazi thing, man. Yeah. Like, it's the, your whole continent got some black people. Y'all ain't got.

And look, I'll tell you, I was down there, and I admit, I was bracing forward, and they didn't hit me with it. Like I thought they was going to hit me. me with it. I had one cab driver, he was Venezuelan. That's the only brother I saw it over it. Like, we're not there at all. It is bananas

that it worked out that way. And then you wind up with that thing with Paraguay, which honestly ain't kicking it that much different. And you saw the way that lady was going off. Yeah. And there was that the lady yelling at I show speed. And then you had apparently Atlanta cops got

some words yelled at them. And like the point out. Also, I was wondering about how much they must have been hating Atlanta. Yeah, that's how I was thinking that, too. Like, this ain't the spot. Yeah, y'all, like, somebody need to show them how to get to Forsyfe or one of them, one of them, uh, one of them neighboring counties. On one hand, I was like, I can't imagine how much they hate Atlanta.

On the other hand, one of them pulled up the magic by accident. And I want to know how that went. It wasn't an accident. Yeah, I see. Yeah, that's the thing. There's all of them that didn't like it, but there's somebody down there, you know, me gust, uh, um, el, el, elucre. Maron

My Spanish is terrible But I put I know Maron I know that Su cre you know su cre Yeah I do I don't So yeah I mean I think the point that I was trying to make

It's like I'm not surprised Like I get the history And I get that People have all these biases But You got enough of respect and decency To be ashamed of it Right

You got a little bit Enough to be They don't have, it don't feel as though. I can't speak for them. It don't feel as though that they are ashamed of it. It's like, we are proud. We would never. We did it.

We did that. Right. We pulled it off. And we pray and we are pre so like we at least, at one point, maybe not as much anymore, would look back and I mean, we as a nation. Yeah. Would look back and say, that shit we did was fucked up. I don't get the sense. No, no, no.

I don't get the sense. Well, well, you know what this. You also raised something, a question that I hadn't thought about, which is, I don't know if I understand how it is that white people decide who they go root for in the World Cup. Because I know how black people decide who we go root for in the World Cup. It is strictly geopolitical history. With a little dollop of, they got some of my favorite players, right? Like, I told you, I was in Barcelona in 2024 during Euro. And France and Spain were in the semi-final.

And I was trying to find a place to watch the game. but I was a little bit afraid of going and watching it where the local team was because France looked like France. You understand what I'm saying? And I knew just enough Spanish to get offended. So that's when I got on the train. I think I told you about this. And I saw two dudes in French shirts.

And I figured they knew where the game was. And I could have asked them where they were going to watch and do that. But instead, I followed them. I stayed about half a train car away. and then when they got out, I got out like, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, and I stayed about maybe half a block or a block behind them. And I just kept walking and I saw where they went. And then rather than go immediately behind them, I kept on walking because at one point they turned around and I was like, I think they're on to me. But I just, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, right?

So I got in. It was a French watch party and I had to leave at halftime. That's a long discussion for another day. but they were so hype, and then they started getting their asses kicked. And we all did, it was just like, oh, damn,

like, it was not, well, the difference between that game and the one that France played on Tuesday was that in that game, France scored first, and it looked like it was about to be a thing,

and then they never got it back. And then in this one, France, like, never had a chance. But I say all that to say, I know why I'm rooting, France is a difficult route.

Right, it is. It's a tough one, but they've done things that allow, me to decide to rule for them. They seem as though they ashamed of some of that bullshit. Yes. Not all of it.

Yeah, of course not. Not all of it. But it's like when you imagine these two parties up and it's also like that the immediate it's hard, the immediate sight is like, and maybe it's different for other people who aren't black, but like it's viewing the world through like my

black prism. I see black people. I'm like, yeah, that's them. And when you watch France, you see a bunch of black people. It's like, yeah, it's hard for me to then be like, no, I'm rooting against them because of their history when I'm looking at all these black people running around on the field. You play Senegal, though, I ain't got

your back. No, no, no, no, no. It's the way. I ain't got your back. Watching Argentina is like when you get invited to a white person's wedding and it's just you. Like, you're watching, like,

or you get invited to a white person's wedding and whoever invited you invited in other black people. Yeah. But the other person, nothing but white people. Like, you don't know

a single black person in Argentina is like, no. And if I met one, we would toss him out. You know what? The Netherlands game when they lost,

I think it was them, um, they had, it might have been two or three, they lost some penalties. Yeah. And they had three black players miss, it might have been two anyway.

And a dude named Memphis, but go ahead. They missed their penalties. And I assumed that everybody was watching it and experiencing it the same way. Like, man, I don't care if they lose or not, but why it had to be the brothers. And I assume that white people was watching it that way too because it's like you recognize that they are isolated in that country. And the people are only rooting for them because they have on their jersey. And my guess is when things don't go well, they don't have the, they don't just be like, man, that guy should have played better.

Yeah. I guess the way that they talk about them is a little different. Well, could one perhaps make the argument that Argentina, what Argentina has in common with the United States is this, because what makes Argentina weird in terms of this demographic discussion that we're having, is that Argentina is a former colony. And the colony normally has an indication of some indigenous culture or whatever it is.

And no, no, no, that's all gone, right? which is interesting because Paraguay got a lot of them Nazis, but Paraguay is very indigenous. Like that woman that was talking crazy, you can see it in her face, right? They got a lot of indigenous cultures very strong there. The only other country that I can think of where the colony was not reflected

by the people who are already there in some form of fashion or some downtrodden or whatever is the United States, right? Where the colony becomes the white people. This is the only place. The difference is, and this is where it gets weird and not discussion, the only reason the United States

got them black people they got is because slavery. Now, granted, Argentina used to have blacks that were there, and let's just say they didn't move. They're gone. They are forgotten.

They did not just pack their things and decide to go somewhere else. Yeah. Ding! Right? Like, that's, yeah, so now, man, fuck Argentina. Can't do it. I don't care how good messy is.

You know what I'm saying? And I assure you, I assure you, messy is a terrible hang. Five foot seven, man. Five foot seven. I can only imagine. Well, I don't know.

Maradonna seemed like, you know, he was a decent hang and he was like five, five. The, yeah. The, you don't think that you can accomplish your way out of that? I,

how many? I mean, did he accomplish himself into five, eight? Don't think so. I guess not. I mean, because I feel like the, Security is like, is born of like, I can't do something or people don't respect me. It's like, they respect him.

And I got to give him this. That shit he did did to cutie Judy as my daughter were called. That shit was cold. Yes. That shit was called. Oh, okay. That's what we're on? That's what we on?

You just wait. That shit was cold. Yeah. I think that they would, Messi is not really swaggy. which I would be the swaggy yes under those circumstances. I am the best in the world at the thing more people in the world

care about. I'd be out there like you saying, Bo. That's what you should. You owe it to yourself and everyone else. Yeah. Like, how dare you do something so incredible and just walk back, ho-hum? No, everybody on this planet.

wishes they were you in this very moment. Basque, bitch. Revel. Yeah. Revel a little bit. Like, you would deserve it, dude. And the thing is, you know it's going to happen. So you got to have something prepared.

You don't got nothing special. You don't got a trademark move. I mean, Ronaldo got his little spinning suey. Like, you got to have your trademark. Your trademark is just humbly, meekly walking back. That ain't cold. We can't sell that. This Argentina

didn't have been so wild because they've been making these late comeback that people think the FIFA is rigging this. I just read a book called Red Card, which is the book about FIFA being a, what you call it, a RICO,

a crime syndicate, basically. Like, the FIFA is corrupt. And if you just hear people say that, oh man, like really getting into the nitty gritty of it, it really is just a RICO written crime syndicate.

Right? That's what, and no matter how, Dude, I was talking to somebody yesterday. Just thinking about the money around this. I was talking somebody yesterday. I was looking into a box for the final. Take a guess.

25. 25, what? 50,000. I'm talking about for the whole box. 150,000. All right, look, if you're not going to take this game seriously, there's no need for me to continue doing. Give me one more try.

$250. 3. No, no. Not 100. Stop it. Three. Hey, man, if you don't get the fuck. 3.

comma, 0000. comma. 0000. Dot. Zero, zero. $0. $0.

That's the thing. We know they janky. We got all these things. that go through this and they like yell three bill for the boxes. Somebody's like, give me the routing information. That's exactly right because that's a routing information situation.

That is going to require some high tech infrastructure. That's not like I'm going to put my credit card in. Right, right. Let me write you a personal check. Yeah, like I got a card. My card don't have a limit on it. But that's horseshit. Yeah.

I can't do that. I can't put that on the card. So, you know, Argentina, England, in Atlanta on Wednesday, and somebody hit me on Tuesday and was like, yo, I got two tickets. Do you know anybody in Atlanta who wants them? Now, what I hear wants them. I thought that bit for the freesky.

Right. Right. Of course I know someone who wants them. And then sent some more information, and it had some number on there, about the price. I was like, okay, so it sounds like you're moving them at a lower price

than this, but incorrect, no. 32 per. 32 per. And you're on the sideline? Like, you're out. I think, I mean, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you know,

how many minutes do I get to play. If I'm 32. But see, the thing is, is like, if that's your squad, though. Yeah. You know, especially if you, England, this doesn't happen. very often. And that's, man, they look so sad in that stadium. Because there's,

I'm trying to think of what the college football parallel is to England in particular. Because this Final Four in its way, in its own way, was kind of like... It's got to be Notre Dame, right? Well, I think the difference with Notre Dame is Notre Dame, well, I guess so. Notre Dame didn't invent college football, but

Notre Dame is like the OG power of it, right? It's been a long time since they've had an actual factual chance at getting it. But they're all, like they're good enough. They're always close to it. Yeah, they're never out of the discussion. And they have a history that suggests that.

I mean, you go back to the Ivy League, like, they're not good enough anymore. So they don't expect it. I know the name is the closest thing I could think of. Yeah, yeah. Like that's, they was in there sad, dog. They was in there sad. And then they was in there mad. They just, you know, they's just, just furious, understandably furious.

I don't. And I guess I should be enough in understanding of like British accents or English accents in general to tell the difference between like class. Because I know out here people say that. I can't tell a difference until they get mad. When they get mad, the proper ones, they get a little, they get a little tighter. And the other ones, it just, I can tell that when they're mad in this post game of this semi. Oh, mad Brits boy. That mad Brits is hilarious.

Yeah, dog. That's who, who. What a time. Well, got the final on Sunday. Looking forward to it. Coming up next, I'm going to talk to Dominique about how some of his brethren are making people a little bit mad

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right your podcast is interesting because i would say that you are an athlete who host a podcast but it is not an athlete podcast the athlete podcast is typically marked by these guys talking to their famous people or their athlete friends in some sort and when they talk with their friends or whatever and important to note most of these are not well produced because they just aren't that many good producers in the world to accommodate the boom and all these podcasts but anyway cats wind up hanging out with each other and they offer material that is relatable to each other and people have always thought they like the idea of hearing these people talk to each other but the problem is when they're all just talking to each other it becomes very easy for them to

sound out of touch because they are saying thing that each other understands but sounds ridiculous to the rest of y'all and a topic that has come up a few times i've seen joe hayden got caught in it. I see the aggregators unfairly rounded C.J. McCollum into this. I see O'Dell Beckham got caught in this. And it is a world of athletes discussing why, for example, $100 million really isn't a lot of money. You're going to defend my guys. I appreciate it. No, no, no. I'm going to let you go first because I was then saying where I'm coming from on this. Because the response is I'll find a way to money. And by the way,

they'll break down why it is that $100 million you got to pay taxes and go down to $60. Then you got to pay the age of 4% and then you got to do da-da-da. But they also have a tendency in that explaining why it's not that much to discuss levels of spending that are wholly unrelatable to people.

And that's where people get lost. But Dominant, you go ahead. To your point, people appreciate Charlie would make fun of me right now because I say this about a lot of things. It's like there are tradeoffs in life. Nothing is all good. Nothing is all bad.

When you get the insights, the stories that you don't expect, the guys who have the funny rants and like all that stuff from athletes, like, yeah, the tradeoff is sometimes they're going to say some stuff that you don't want to hear and you uncomfortable with. So like take that with a grain of salt. I think the way that they're talking about it and the best way that I can come to defend them is like, There are people in, like, generally you live in America. You're like above like the average of the rest of the world.

So my argument would be someone would look at you from somewhere else and be like, man, if I made $50,000 a year, I'd be great. I think the distance between them and you is similar. And the life that they choose the lead, it, uh, the things that they engage, engage and make it a lot more, make it possible to get into a situation where you're like, man, that really ain't that much. However, you got to know, because most of them didn't grow up like this. Like, this is a, this is a out of touch comment I would expect from a child of a billionaire who became, or a millionaire who became a billionaire. Like they, you got to know

that you ain't never going to get no sympathy like that and can't nobody relate to you. So to your point, If you're talking to your friends, that's fine. That ain't for release. That ain't for public consumption. It just ain't. Okay. So I agree with you there, right? Here's where I, this is what I think I would say speaking generally.

No amount of money is as much as it seems like it is when you think about it, right? Like I remember when I was in graduate school, I went to grad school with this dude. He was from New York. And he had worked as like some kind of vice president instead of a finance company or something like that before he came to do his PhD. Great dude. Loving to pieces.

And another one of my friends who grew up in New Orleans was talking to him and he said something about, this is keep in mind this is 2003. And he says something about like, maybe $8,000, that's a lot of money. And my guy was like, yeah, if you think that's a lot of money, the New York dude, if you think that's a lot of money. And my man and I were like,

wait a minute, what's going on with you, where you don't think the $85,000 is a lot of money. And I am now here with this Rolex on to tell you the $85,000, I used to think it was a lot of money. It's not a lot of money. Like I use the phrase, it's not a lot of money about certain numbers that throw people off. But it's sometimes with an understanding of the context of like, if you start from zero and somebody hands you $500,000, it's just not as much money as it sounds like it is. Or if somebody says that they down on they look and somebody gives us, them $100,000. It's a lot of money, but it's not. It's not going to change your life. It might change your condition in that moment. But there are these graduated levels of what

happens with this money and how it sounds. What happens with these dudes is and what we can't forget, I think I saw my buddy Miles Brown talking about this. These dudes have never had jobs before. So finding out about taxes was a mind-blowing to them. Like maybe this is going to change with these cats with NIL because now they're going to have some money that they got to pay on or whatever. But I think that for a lot of these dudes, like somebody was like, okay, here's $10 million. And they had always dreamed of all the things they was going to do with $10 million. And they tried to do all of that off that first set of checks that they get. Like I think Joe Hayden said he gave his parents like $2, $3 million. You buy a car, you buy the house. You bought a house

for your brother, da-da, die, and everything else. And the adults are like, well, of course, you would be in stupid. But these cats are like, no, I dreamed of this. day and all the things I was going to do. And in their heads, it was more money than you could ever spend. And then what do you know? They actually figured out that you could, in fact, spend it all. Right? And that's what I'm hearing when they talk about that.

Now, when you start talking about like $100 million ain't a lot of money, hey, homie, you're wiling right now. Like the guy that I actually think would have a compelling argument in that discussion is the guy that gets up there and says, man, they gave me $7 million. I thought that was going to go a lot farther than it actually did, right? For sure. And it ain't nobody trying to hear it. Yeah, I mean, that's the bottom line.

We can try to defend them in every way possible. You got to know your audience. And we all had that homeboy where when you would go out and there was girls around would say the wrong thing. Like, yeah, we think it too. But right now ain't the time to say it. Yeah. That's the problem. they with each other and somebody's editing it up, they need to be on one of them agencies,

them agencies where they, these, a lot of these boys doing these podcasts and doing it on their own, you give them one of them agencies, they be watching every episode. They're like, man, if you don't trade, take that shit out of there, man, what you come about? Or, or they're like, you know what, that's going to do numbers, as you point out, that's going to do numbers on social, put that in there. Yeah, yeah, like, yeah, do your people love you? Yeah, that's the question. Yeah, that is the question.

Right. Do your people actually love you in his bowl? I think this is probably a bit of a tired conversation, but it's hard to say no. And 20-something is incredibly young. And I think to your point, they get a number that's ridiculous. And it feels like something that you now no longer need to care about money. And then everyone is asking you for things. And you don't want to say, you feel like you can't say no to anybody. and like you're paying for all the dinners,

you're buying houses, you're buying cars. It goes fast. Saying it's not a lot of money is the wrong way to go about it is saying they need to go about it and say, I did not understand how to operate with this amount of money. Because that's actually what they're saying.

It's like I thought that that was unlimited. It ain't. Yeah, no, it's not all the money in the world. Right, yeah. Because I'm like I say, every step of my journey where I have gotten something that seemed like at a previous point would be all, the money in the world. None of it is proven to be as much money as I thought it was.

Right. Because they're like, all right, I got a hundred after taxes, percentage, whatever, we down to like 60. And what they're actually saying is, I spent 10 in a year. Yep. Like, I, hold on. That mean, I got five more years. That's what they're saying. And like, I think most people as, as even though 10 sounds like a lot of money, I think most people could understand how a player who came into this money, who has a bunch of people around, who's young and trying to have fun, how they could end up spending 10 in a year

and then look up and say, damn, I want to keep living like this. Yes. I can't afford to live like this. I think that is what they're saying. And some people... It's not an inexhaustible sum. There you go. I think that's what they're trying to express.

I think you just hit on what I think is an important point and something that I think that people lose sight of when they talk about, well, if I had this much money, I would make a stretch. You could make a stretch. If you're acting like you don't have as much money as you do, which is not really what. So like, I'm saying, if I went to the NFL,

what's the league minimum now? Is it around a million dollars? Yeah, it's a little under a million. Okay. One could argue you got to make this money stretch. And a great way to make that money stretch would be to purchase a responsible car. What are you high?

Yeah. I'm not doing that. No. Right? This is my one chance to have a fly ride. You're like, I might not be in the league forever. Okay, cool. That means this is my one chance to get a ride.

You're going to get the ride. Like maybe you're going to be pulling up in the Honda Civic, right? Maybe you're going to pull up in the car you had in college. You're probably not going to do that. Like some of the I would manage my money differently. Yeah, I'm 45. I can tell you all that. I'm here to tell you at 20.

No, dog, that money was getting blown. And then I would come back later and be like, brother, I'm telling you that $2 million is not that much money. I'm going to bring her back to the hood. Like, that's the apartment I'm getting. because I want to save some money? Nah, I don't want to do that. This goes back to messy.

I am going to revel. Yes, I earned this. I was just pissing blood last weekend. These concussions? I'm going to have me a good time, man. Like this is, I am going to revel. And that goes fast and then you end up 28, 29 out of the league with $500,000 in the bank and no relevant work experience.

the shit could be hard for some of them. But the problem is, that ain't the same as I got $100 million. No, it's not. It's not. It's not. Well, look, the moral of the story is this. Too many microphones. We have far too much access to hear people talk. We don't need to know what everybody thinks about everything. Because I'm telling you, in that room, not one person was like,

hey, man, I don't think we should put this out. The average man will not be able to relate to the discussion. than we are having here. And then, boy, let me tell you, man, don't nobody not want to hear it quite like some broke-ass people, boy. Who, man, no disrespect to y'all broke asses. But y'all ain't trying to hear nothing of the struggle of the people.

Nobody was to hear the struggle of anybody that made more money than them. No matter what it, it's kind of like how people think that anybody who has less sex than them is approved and more sex than them is promiscuous. There's no, like, range of a sweet spot with people. that's not really how it works, man, people don't want to hear nothing about how somebody that made $5 a year more than you say they got a headache. Shit, I bet you got enough money to get some aspirin.

That's fair. I can say that some of the stuff does rub me the wrong way too. And I guess they do have more than me, so maybe I fall in that category. But it's not even talking about like, because I think I can hear through that 100, million dollars ain't enough money to understand what they're actually saying that doesn't frustrate me as much and this is i'm guilty of this also and i'm finally starting to come back around and recognize that don't everybody need to be a boss man like that's the shit that drive me nuts and it's like it's something that some players have brought up recently and players have been throughout time and

i think it's some of it is lebron like did it he like perfectly mastered this like i am really a player in a boss. And you remember KD was doing like venture capital. And it's like this idea that success in this country is owning shit, running shit. Like I get where it comes from. I was guilty of, I went to fancy business school. I didn't go there saying, you know what? I don't want to be a boss.

I went there because like that's where you go to be like a captain of capitalism. And then I got out and was like, you know what? You know what was fucking dope? Being a worker. Like that used to be cool. Movies used to be about guys who smoke cigarettes after work and was smut on their face. That shit was dope.

And we no longer think that's dope. And that shit bothers me. Yeah, I realized I want to be the boss of certain things. Right. So like when I did game theory for HBO, I was the boss. Like that was capital M, capital S my show. I just wanted to be the boss that are writing.

Right? like the content and stuff. They'd be like, all right, so we got these set designs. Sorry, I take that way. That's cool. Right, like any of those things, I did not want, I only wanted to be the boss of the things that I do. Like, at this point of my career,

I just wanted to be the boss at a right time or perhaps the boss of Beaumonti Jones. Now, generally speaking, the only way to be the boss of yourself in a lot of these industries is to then also be the boss of a zillion people. I don't even think of myself as being the boss of Ryan, right? Like, it's like, hey, we worked together on this show.

Like, I got the last say-so, But no, I'll never forget this. My father's last job, or one of his last jobs, but it was his first job, his job into retirement number one. He had a distinguished professorship. And I remember somebody asked him about the job. And he had an answer that I remembered at the time, but it sticks with me now in a way that it didn't in that moment

because I was too young to appreciate it. I asked him how his job was going. He said, I ain't got no boss. and I ain't the boss of nobody. Perfect. Dream. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, and I think what I'm saying is, is partially that, but it's also like this, it's not even about being the boss. It feels like to me that everybody, not everybody, but the large majority of people, like are striving to be like Jeff Bezos level shit, right?

And to me, like, that's dope. Like, make a bunch of money. Like, whatever. I'm not knocking amount of money that you make or whatever. That's fine. But it just also feels like there's something wrong with just doing your shit. To me, I'll analogize it to football where like we all playing football. And it feels like everybody wants to be a quarterback.

Yeah. And it's like, no, it's not that. And it's also, it feels like we ascribe some level of respect to, other positions in football that we don't really ascribe to a lot of other career paths where it's like, yeah, I'm an old lineman. That's dope for this reason. Yes. Or yeah, I'm a corner.

That's dope for this reason. It feels like more and more. Maybe it's just my algorithm or the things that I consume more and more that it's just like, oh, okay. You a linebacker? You better work your way to quarterback. But I think what it comes down to is people, even if they, don't necessarily have the explicit language to discuss it,

are demonstrating an implicit understanding of the shortcomings of capitalism, right? Right. And what I don't want to be is on the bottom of this pyramid, right? They want to like get to it. But the reason they want to get to the top of the pyramid is so they can do the same shit. Right. As the other people do who are at the top of the pyramid.

Like they want to be like, you know, sometimes like when you look around and realize how many black people really, really just want to be white people. Right? Like I remember this and this actually wasn't about black people. But there was this police officer in New York, this Asian cat, who went to trial and was ultimately convicted for shooting somebody in one of the projects. Right.

And I mean, he seemed pretty obvious that he was wrong, right? It was a convictable, shall we say offense. I forget what punishment that they gave him. but our Asian brothers and sisters did a bit of marching about it and what their argument was was that if a white cop had done this then he would have gotten away with it which is not incorrect I don't think

however you're not arguing for being treated correctly or fairly you're arguing for being treated like white people And I think that's an important station because like look, when they, like, we remember when in Minnesota, where that Somali cop shot that white woman and ran up on his, ran up behind him.

And got to be honest, we weren't like, well, if he was white, we was like, do the crime, do the time, brother. You just go have to, you just go have to eat that one, right? Because I, the move is not to be like,

we should be treated like these white cops are because we think the white cops get away with stuff that they should not, like, get away with. There are so many people that, Like, this is part of the Jay-Z discussion. Like, fundamentally, he wanted to get to the place where he rifles are and do the things that they do

and be hailed for doing those things the way they'll say white people are being hailed for doing those things. It's not really my bag, brother. It's not really what I'm about. Yeah. And I, so the, the cop situation, I hear the, like, we want to get treated

like white people, but I also hear, like, I thought we had an understanding. Right? Like, I know I'm not you, but I ain't them. Right. Right. And the Jay-Z stuff, like, I get it. I get it. Like, I think your point about capitalism is right. It's like until you're at the top, you're always getting shit upon by somebody.

First or last. Right. And I think that's a fair point. The thing about the Jay-Z situation is tough is, it's like how we say, celebrate the first black person to do something. And I remember it was a big deal for me when I was working at the NFL players association thinking about trying to advocate for a black owner. And it feels like Jay-Z and people like him expect us to celebrate. And part of us, part of me, it wants to like celebrate.

It goes back to like rooting for Ivory Coats and Cinnacle. I don't know them. But it's like I want to see someone who likes me have success. So, like, I do want to see them achieve and commend them. But the expectation is that we're some, that feels like a win for us. But we ain't nobody else actually winning. Well, he's leaving. He leaves our team when he does this.

Right. But because you dress the same and you talk the same and you came from the team. It's supposed to be like, we did it. Look what, look what we did. And then people like, no, we didn't do nothing that you did it. Yeah. Congratulations. I achieved my way into becoming the enemy.

Yeah. And I'm saying white people. bloody enemy, but in terms of class struggle. Yeah, I don't think that's what, it didn't sound like that's what you said at all. Sometimes you got to make things clear before people start aggregate. It's like, yeah, I've become a part of the system, honestly. It's like I started as someone who recognized how flawed this system is, and I worked my way into being one of the gears in the system.

Why aren't y'all happy about me as it grinds you up? Because we had cool, because Jay-Z's thing is, and he said it very clearly, I just take things for how they are, which is a hollow, thing to say. Like, in part, yeah, there's something to that. Like, there's a level of this game. Like, that's why I thought, though, well, you still use Amazon, you still use an iPhone. Okay, we're not able to opt out of capitalism in every way that you describe, right? But I don't have to try to become a pillar of it. You know? But the bottom line is what is very impossible to get people to believe in this highly capitalistic culture and with the particular brand. And with the particular

brands of Christianity that are associated with it, it is difficult to make people divorce themselves of the idea that there is a nobility in being rich. That by definition, getting rich gets you to a place unless you like sell street dope to get it. But the idea is, that's another wireline. Hey, Dee, you got the money. You get to be whoever you want, which is partially true, not really. really, but that's kind of the Jay-Z.

That's also the other part of the Jay-Z story, right? It's trying to achieve himself into being a different person than the one he was, one that I don't think he's necessarily ever been that fond of, right? But then, you know, being on the cover of Time magazine and a suit and all that stuff, like he wanted to be in the rooms, right? I think I told you, I was at a dinner once with Taita. Tata said that they was in the project, Tata said, he said that when he go on vacation, he doesn't even know where he's going.

He said he just gets on the plane. Somebody packs the bag for him. and he just gets off wherever the place is going to be. And he said that he used to be in those projects, and he looked at the airplanes, and he say to himself, I want to be on that plane. It doesn't matter where it's going.

I just wish I was on that plane. Right. So there's a level to which I can't relate to, and there's a part of it that makes me sad in a way to kind of see like the lengths that we go through. But in the end, there's nothing noble about having a bunch of money. There's nothing noble about not having a bunch of money. Correct.

I want to say, and that's the other part. That's really not noble. There's nothing cracking about that. It should not be, it shouldn't weigh as heavily into this. And I think like you and I both are fans of Jay-Z musically. Like he's incredibly talented. Like that's nothing to take away from.

And that's the hardest thing I think about some of this stuff is being able to have these conversations with people without them feeling like, like no, no, no, he's super talented. The path that he's gone on has been super impressive. Like he's accomplished. really incredible, unbelievable things. That don't mean that it's all right. Yeah, the only part I care about is the rap.

Nice. Yeah. This latest freestyle wasn't as good as the previous was. Not a great, not a great, not a great, not a great, not a great. Honestly, they should have booed him for that. Yeah, they should have. But he is nice, and I think that there's a, um, your path does really define a lot, your experience defines a lot of who you are.

And I think when you are like fighting your way out and you keep winning, which he kept winning, it's like, yeah, this is the right way and things keep getting better. This is the right way. It's hard. It's really difficult to like examine the strategy that you've, like, you set out for a goal. This is success for him. The strategy that he employed got him to where he expected in further. It's insane for us to look, which is why he looks at us like we're crazy. It's insane for us to look at him and.

say, oh, but this is wrong. And he's like, no, this is the game they told me to play. I played it great. Right. And now you got, yeah. So, like, I understand where he's coming from. And he's like, what's y'all barking at me for? I'm doing what I'm supposed to do.

Yeah, well, he's doing a thing that people do often, which is using they and y'all a little too broadly. And he's misunderstanding. You're right. There are people who said exactly what it is that you're talking about. Right. They're not the same people. who are saying this other thing right now.

But he was like, I thought, you know, I thought this was America people. And he means that, right? Like, he's like, I have achieved the American dream. And I did it on All Madden. Yep. It's so impressive. I had a couple codes that I used.

You know what I'm saying? Right, right? Like I backed door to game a little bit. But I won the game on All Madden. And now y'all telling me that that was bad? Right. I can't understand this. And much like the football players on the podcast,

he ain't got nobody that could be like, all right, brother, this is, this is what they talking about. Okay, it's not there. I wonder if, like, he could, because I think some of these points are unassailable and that it's hard to argue, but like he finds himself in such a defensive position.

If there is, if he was ever open to actually, like, sitting down with somebody if you could get through, because, like, incredibly smart person. But it's like, that's the part that, I think that explanation, because he doesn't hear the explanation that we just discussed, he hears like, you don't care about us. And he's like, but I did this, I did that, I did this.

When I don't think that's exactly the point. Now, well, also don't forget. And I don't say this as an insult, man, dropped out of school in 11th grade. Right. Yeah. Well, we're talking about now are ideas. Yeah. Right.

And ideas require exposure. Yeah. Right. And I don't think that these types of conversations that we're having are in line with an exposure that he has truly had. Like, who in his life does he know that approaches the world with anything close to an anti-Catholic critique? And I'll give him this. He comes out here and he talks about these things, whether he realizes it not how he sounds all the time, because I would love to hear what his wife has to say about these things.

because her brand is much different than his. His capitalism is naked and unabashed, even though he drives to do a little of the things here, right? Hers is way more touchy-feely, but in application seems to be exactly the same. Beating all over to here for them tickets. I think he, yeah, it's probably fair to say that a lot of us like view the world through like what was most impactful at like a formative stages.

And I do think that a lot of the drug game stuff like, yeah, he is, it's kind of how he operates, right? And then he looks at it like, no, but I ain't killing nobody. Right, right. I ain't selling nothing that's going to ruin your life. And y'all mad at me? Right, right. Like, just just just doing what they do.

Ah, there we go. See, it's a, it's a lot. going on. But hey man. So you're room for Argentina? That's what you used. Oh, Jay-Z would not look at this point. Jay-Z might have an Argentina jersey for all I know. Wouldn't shock me in the least. He's going to have Messi throwing up to rock.

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