The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Mina Kimes Discusses Celebrity Jeopardy! Plus NFL Draft and Free Agency Updates | 3.14

Episode Date: March 14, 2025

On today’s episode, Mina Kimes of ESPN joins Bomani Jones to discuss the latest NFL free agency news. Before getting into football talk, Mina shares her experience being on Celebrity Jeopardy! (0:54) her issues with the buzzer and why she would never take it easy on anyone in board games. (9:09) Bo and Mina move onto the NFL and react to the Steelers signing Mason Rudolph to potentially backup Aaron Rodgers (20:59), if being a 'bridge QB' is a real thing (27:08) & what is the ceiling for Travis Hunter? (37:13) They round out the show by questioning the Dallas Cowboys off-season decisions (44:15) and if we will see regression from Jayden Daniels in year 2. (51:12) . . . Subscribe to The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Spotify, Apple or wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok for all the best moments from the show. Download Full Podcast Here: Spotify:  https://open.spotify.com/show/6N7fDvgNz2EPDIOm49aj7M?si=FCb5EzTyTYuIy9-fWs4rQA&nd=1&utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Apple:  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-right-time-with-bomani-jones/id982639043?utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Follow The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Social Media:  http://lnk.to/therighttime Subscribe to Supercast for Ad-Free Episodes: https://righttime.supercast.com/ Support the Show: Discover faster, more reliable search with Perplexity today. Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at perplexity.com! https://pplx.ai/bomani-jones When any player scores 50 or more points in a game, DashPass members save 50% on an order, up to $10 off. Use promo code NBA50 to redeem. See further terms and conditions at https://drd.sh/8ONpZP/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A Wave Original presented by perplexity. My name is Beaumani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater.

It is Mina Combs Friday. Meena Kimes, who apparently been stealing from work because you guys see your no cards in your display. And I don't think I have any of those. And I feel like I got a little more equity into place. Those are from the pandemic. because they shipped them to us at home. Yeah. Oh, okay. In which case I did have those that I simply can't find them.

Yeah. I think I got those framed not long after the show was canceled. RIP, highly questionable. Indeed, indeed. Also for the folks who saw this, Celebrity Jeopardy Wednesday night in America, Mina Kimes brought that dog out and put that hurt on them people. Like, once I saw that you had said something about being on Celebrity Jeopardy, my question to you was, did the dog come out? The dog definitely came out and was visible when I was furiously trying to buzz in and losing my shit, which here's the thing about celebrity jeopardy, y'all. The questions are easy. It's like high school level.

I mean, it's obviously anyone who's watched it knows it's pretty dumbed down. You know most of the answer. In fact, watching at home, I was losing it because even the ones I didn't know at home was like, this is very obvious. However, I didn't know this. Maybe you knew this, Bo. You have a tiny window to buzz in, and if you buzz in too early, you get locked out. So I kept getting locked out because I kept jumping the gun. And then every time poor Omar Dorsey or Fortune Feimster would be talking,

you would see me next to them going, like trying to buzz in like a freaking maniac loser because I was so competitive about it. Just letting you know right now, you just made a meme. I know about that. Well, actually, if I did it really accurately, and this would be much more meme, I was holding it with two hands. Yeah, no, no, no.

At that point, you actually transcend memehood and you go straight into legendary status. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if you want it, but that's where we go. Like, I did not get to watch it. Sean watched it.

Sean said that you were dominant. Sean said that you were out there crushing it. You were bringing the pain. Well, we were kind of talking about this before at the end. So I ended up winning by so much that I didn't have to bet anything in Final Jeopardy, which was helpful because I didn't know Final Jeopardy. None of us did. The clue was about MLK, and it was about the I Have a Dream speech, and it was like, what are the three most repeated words in this speech? and I brought this up to you because Omar Dorsey,

who the actor who was next to me, didn't get it. And he was so upset with himself. This is a black actor for those who don't know who are listening because he was, he revealed in the movie Soma. And I have to, and you said this is why I would never do Jeffers.

I want to hear, I suspect it's the same reason why I didn't want any sports categories. Am I correct? Okay. So first of all, first of all, he wasn't mad he'd have been mad even if he wasn't in selma because i looked this dude up and he from decatur he is just generally atlanta base and honestly one could argue that he embarrassed

the rest of us on the world's biggest stage like if someone wants to go that super nice guy super i bet he was right but at the same time i personally can't imagine how embarrassing it would have been did anybody get it right did uh did fortune get it right no but she didn't get like any right okay no that's cool though but it would have been way worse for him If he got it wrong and this person that I personally have never heard of and does not sound like she's from the south side, if she had got that right and he had not, like, you got to come back to the crib.

That would have been tough. My thing about going on Celebrity Jeopardy, and I applaud you for being willing to do this because I don't think you're in a terribly different place than me on this, right? But if I were to go on Celebrity Jeopardy and win the whole thing, I don't feel like I'm going to get that much congratulations. I think I'm going to get some, but I think that a lot of people, even those close to me, are operating on the expectation that I should, in fact, win this.

I recall when I was very young, I watched Celebrity Jeopardy and the top two finishers were Cheech Marin and Luke Perry. And I'm just saying, I don't want to have to come back to regular life if I lose to Cheech. I don't give a damn how smart cheech is. I don't care how much Dylan knows about Shakespeare or anything else. I don't feel like enduring this when it might have just come down to the buzzer situation. You know what I mean? All this for what?

For charity? I got money. I can get you some money. I think what you're describing, if I'm reading this frankly, is the same logic as to why real NBA players don't compete in the dunk contest. There you go. Not in the game there. Maybe you pull a hammy. That is a great analogy and I need to start using that because that is exactly what it is.

I simply do not believe that there is great room for benefit for me to do this. At the same time, I do think that I would like greatly enjoy going on a run on Jeopardy and putting it all people. And please don't put me out there with somebody that for whatever reason I come to dislike because I still think Jeopardy don't have nearly enough shit talk. It don't have nearly enough people to hit the whole. that buzzer like this, like not even looking. Oh, what is magnesium? Right? We just don't have enough of that.

I feel like I got very lucky the two people I was competing with were both very kind to the point where I think once there was one point where I got a clue wrong. Like I, through like the formatting issue and Omar corrected me and then immediately turned to me and said, sorry. Like so this was not like beef jeopardy at all. It was not super competitive between us. Um, Sean, yeah. Can I ask one question at a certain point in the middle of double jeopardy when you had like a decent 6K lead?

Were you taking it easy on them out of fear of beating them too hard? No, I could not buzz in when I started losing my lead. I just kept trying to buzz and I just kept buzzing into it. Sean, Sean, let me explain something to you. I have said this many times. I think I have told me to this. I don't remember if I have said it explicitly, but part of why I feel the way of it. about Mina that I do is that in positive ways you remind me very much so of my mother, right?

And that is, that is to say, all gas, no breaks. There is, that is, that is, no, no, no, no, no. That's not how that works. My mama is the nicest woman in the world. She ain't never let me win. Nothing, not one time in my life. That is not how this goes. And I do not believe that that is how me the cows is raised. Ain't nobody, ain't nobody, ain't nobody getting no freebies. 100% correct my dad never let me win in games i vividly remember not only not him not not only did he not let me win we're talking from the jump like i have one of my earliest memories are being like six or seven and my dad just kicking my ass in board games but also we would play monopoly and he would like refuse trays just to bleed us dry so we would play the most excruciating long

games of monopoly because he he wouldn't even play it in a fun way and as you say that about your own about bringing, I do wonder, is that the most single most impact you can have on your child in the parenting sense is to not let them wind stop? That's what you do. That's what you let them know. There's only one way to do this. Like I've had to learn over the course of my life, I really have to turn it down because I'm a terrible loser. I don't handle it very well. It's been a 40 year process basically in my life to learn how to handle these things and to keep them in the proper perspective and everything because, no, I am not built for it. And you just hit on. on something that people who go way back with me

know and understand about me and no disrespect to Officer Combs, but I'm real skeptical of people who are big in the monopoly, man. Like, what's the whole point? I want to evict my friends. Like, it's one thing to want to beat people and even want to, like, physically beat them

in video games or even hand-to-hand combat. But I feel like there's something uniquely cruel about finding it as a good time, I want to run the block and jack up the prices. Yeah. Monopoly teaches us all to be landlords. I never thought about that. Yes. I'm just telling you, people who really not just simply play it, but those people who just love Monopoly, you got to watch out from them, man. They'll steal from you. What was your favorite board game growing up?

We're a Scrabble house, as you might. You might not be surprised by that. And once again, all gas, no breaks. It is, that is, my mother, because my mother's so in Scrabble. Like, my mother turns out. until like a Scrabble studier. Like through my mother, I learned something that I did not know and maybe you did. But if you go and hit two double word scores, you get photons, I did not know that it multiplied twice over. Like my mom used to walk around the house with Scrabble dictionaries, Scrabble strategy, whatever else.

And they didn't reach the point where my daddy just kind of stopped playing against her. Yeah. Like, because that's not, she's going for it. Going for it. You know what's a way to not make friends when you get to. to college that I can tell folks is when you show up and everybody's playing Scrabble and you have to be the one who says that's not a word. Let me tell you. That's very first week of college, we're all

a bunch of nerds, we're at Yale. We're all hanging out. I was like, let's play Scrabble. And I, somebody had to be bad cop because rules matter. Okay. And everybody tries to do bullshit words and Scrabble and somebody has to draw the line. I know, I know what happened to you. I know what happened to you because I feel like this happened to me. And I feel like my success rate on I know what happened on your stories is actually true. Right. And so I feel like what happened was you were leaving Arizona and you were going to Yale and you were like, finally, I am going to be surrounded by people who were on this level. And then you got there and maybe you met a couple of them, but it wasn't nearly as widespread as you expected.

and you had a few moments like that, or you didn't realize, oh, oh, oh, no. Actually, they are not happy that I am on this level. They are actually a little bit resentful of that fact. And, by the way, I might not be carrying it as smoothly as I could. To sum up what you're describing in a single sentence, it's the realization, oh, you're here because of squash. I had not considered that part.

People listening to this were the biggest A-holes in the world. I had not considered that part. How many people would you make the decision to go to Ivy World and you were not of Ivy Worlds yourself and you realize how many people snuck in the back door? I had never thought about what that must be. I think I've said this before, but I had a big epiphany when I got there and realized there were more people from Andover than the state of Arizona, the Academy in Massachusetts. That was a real wake-up call.

Yeah, it's, listen, I just feel like, and you can relate. to this, it's such a fine line between being competitive and that's celebrated and caring too much. Yes. Yes. I would argue a lot of our lives maybe navigating that line has been very important and frat, shall say. Yes. I think I told you that while we were doing high dude, Eric, our producer, had come up with the idea. You should add a little levity to the program that perhaps we could add some get. that involves some level of competition. And I explained to him that this is going to be cool until the point where the monster comes out,

at which point the idea of games was immediately scrapped. Are there things that you compete in where you feel like they're lower stakes because there's no expectation on you to be good at them? Yeah, like at this point, generally, I can handle the after no matter what, right? And I can, and I turn down, depending on what it is, I turn down the high end until, as you put it with your ping pong story,

somebody gets a little bit mouthy, right? Because I'm willing to let it. I have enough self-confidence that I'm willing to maybe take an L here and there because I'm not trying that hard. Like with kids, it's different. You try to mold them into something, so you got to whoop their asses. With these grown-ups, right? It's kind of like, I just want everybody to have a good time,

and then we go from there. But then once you say something sideways, I've told you by Skip Baylor's story, right? Oh. Okay, I've told the story before. It's been reported, like aggregated or whatever. So the people who are listening to this who have heard it before, you just got to ride with it. If you haven't, enjoyed the story. So in the year 2010, I started to get invited to come on to do first take. And this is before it turned into like the two-hour argument, first take. It was the one where they just popped in every two or three blocks.

And they had like a discussion with Skip. I was just trying to play it smooth, right? Like I'm just, you know, we're here. let's just have an easy, breezy, good time doing this or whatever. And I wasn't being particularly argumentative because a lot of times he and I would agree. And to be honest, that wasn't making for the best television. I understand that, but I didn't know what. Like, I felt like it was rude to just show up in this man's house and just be coming for his neck like that. And so one day, I'm there. I'm up in Bristol and we're in the room.

And Derek Brooks sent in a text. And Jason Romano reads out, question for Skip from Twitter. Who is your toughest opponent? to debate. And he goes, oh, that's easy, Greg Anthony. And I'm kind of joking. And I'm like, oh, come on, skip him right here, baby. And he looks at me serious as he could.

Greg Anthony. And I was like, oh, oh, no, okay. And we had probably an hour or so between that meeting and when we had to be on set, maybe an hour and a half. and I really spent an hour thinking about what I was going to do. And I believe, and I think that it was by the way it all turned out

that this was confirmed, I woe his ass out, man. Skip me up there talking about how he felt like he ain't never lost no debate on TV. That's a goddamn lie. I know he felt like I was whooping that ass that day. And the way I know he felt like he was whooping that ass is we would always say goodbye at the very least

at the end of the show, Not the end of this one. No. He just rolled out. I see Skip again for like four, five years. He just, he just skipped out.

Like, I was, I mean, like I was, I was doing like nanny nanny booboo type stuff. I was doing like hood type stuff. And I ain't even hood like that. But I remember watching back on the clips.

And at the end of a clip with first take, it was, you know, you'd be facing each other. It was just two people. And then the, the camera, the brontosaurus,

they go to the gym, the camera that's on the, that goes up and down, would kind of come in and you would finish, you look at each other, and then you stop and you look toward the camera. And sometimes it would be me just shaking my head and him looking at the camera fast. And sometimes it'd be me in the camera like, it skipped like, it was not, it was, it was not it. Like we were arguing something about what quarterback did you want to have right now. And this is when Michael Vick was killing it with the Eagles. And I took Michael

Vic and he gave Peyton Manning and all his reasons for why he wanted Peyton Manning were all like eight-time pro bowler. I was like, my bad dog, I thought we was talking about right now. And then he'd keep going. And it'd keep going. I get to the end. I'm like, I'm sorry.

I thought we were talking about right now. I'll never forget. We got done with that show. And my guy Jerome Solomon in Houston was like, yo, I hadn't seen you be yourself on that show. It was good to see. Never got called back. You, by the way, hit on a key rhetorical move on first take.

that is underutilized, which is when you simply point out that the other person is ignoring the question. Because it happens all the time. And it doesn't, it gets let, people let it slide a lot. But it is undefeated. Like if, if I have to remember, like, and these are things that have to be remembered that like something, this isn't necessarily about winning. Now with Skip Bayless, it's absolutely about winning. And it can get too easy to get caught in that. I know somebody wants that went on with Skip.

And I watched them and they was going for it. And I was like, yo, you were doing a great job. But if you want to keep coming on that show, you're going to need to take a different approach. And I don't think that person listened to me. And that person did not go back on that show anymore. Interesting. Yeah.

I feel like the logic, too, of it has changed so much since then, in terms of like, you know, what people, what they're trying to get out of it. I also, by the way, Stephen A say this, he takes L's really well. Yes. You know, because I've been on there and there's been points where he has even seeded defeat on air

or in discussion and then he just shrugs it off. He's got the cornerback mentality. It's part of the reason I feel like why he's got such longevity doing it is like he does not take it particularly personally. No, no, no. No, Stephen A is like, we are all, the same team. Yeah, exactly, which is entertain.

Yeah, yeah, like that's, he is interested in making a good television show. Skip Bayliss is here to do battle. I don't know what it's like for Skip to not have somebody to argue with five days week. I try to explain to people. They talk about ending with Shannon when it did or even how it did. I'm like, they've been holling at each other on TV for seven or eight years. How did they do it this long? And Shannon's not particularly argumentative.

either, by the way, having done the show with him. Like, he actually loves finding common ground on football stuff and agreeing. He's not there to dominate. That's just not his style either. Well, I don't know about that. I'd be here like he'd be trying to dominate with your boy, Dano. He ain't going to do it with you. Like, this is a big thing.

Generally speaking, being very argumentative with a woman on television doesn't play that well, especially not a woman that people think is smarter than you. You're not going to come out looking good. Like it is best to approach the situation with decency. You can respectfully disagree, but he ain't going to be disagree with you like he'd do with Ocho. They ain't going to work that way. We did first take at the Super Bowl. I'm not usually now with Shannon because we're on different days.

And what you're describing now that I think back is exactly how he played it. Like he, again, first day it's all about like it's like shifting alliances playing to the crowd. I'm on their side. I'm not. and he was doing the like well like like i actually never seen him really do this but again i don't watch him that much so maybe i'm wrong but i was making some point i forget about the super bowl and the matchups and he looked at me and he's like all of a sudden just goes into like talk about coverages and scheme and he's like mina and i are aligned on that so he he kind of made like a

we're like the ball knowers here and uh i didn't realize that what was happening but now that you're describing, I feel like he knows exactly what he's doing on TV. And you don't want them people over. Like that is, that is the big thing. It has been established. Like, you know, like, if the streets think you on the wrong side of me and a chance, you're going to have to explain why, not the vice versa. I don't know about that. Maybe, maybe your streets. Yeah, look, you're talking about streets. I don't go on no more. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, I have removed myself from that place.

As a consumer, as a receiver, I will still transmit from time to time. But, by the way, speaking of ball, this just came in. As many of you know, we record this on Thursday so that you can check it out bright and early on Friday. You are welcome. Dayline Pittsburgh,

the Steelers agreed to a two-year deal with quarterback Mason Rudolph. Now, before I saw this, the headline on ESPN.com was quarterback Rudolph. reuniting with Steelers. And I'm like, why is this at the top of the list? Like, where is the excitement?

Is this your Aaron Rogers backup plan? If it is, that's hilarious. Can I just say, now that I'm looking at this, too, Mason Rudolph looks like an AI quarterback, right? Like, he looks like somebody entered a bunch of AI prompts for, like, your stereotypical quarterback. Something like very uncanny valley about his face. Like, I don't know if the Steelers' entire plan is Rogers at this point.

of all, I have a couple of thoughts on this. Why weren't the Steelers on the phone with the Seahawks about trading for Gino Smith? Great question. Third rounder? For a quarterback who has been much better than both Aaron Rogers and Russell Wilson over the last couple? Like, how was that not up for consideration? I don't know. I know that he wants it in a contract extension. I mean, I'm someone who's doing like two segments a day on Rogers and the Steelers and Russell Wilson. And I've hit the It Doesn't Matter point. It just doesn't matter. They're the same.

I mean, I, like, what do you feel? Do you feel like either of these options is going to make a difference for this team? Why would you, look, this is the miracle of the later part of Tom Brady's career. And, like, you can't expect, the same way you can't expect Anthony Richardson to be Josh Allen, just because they were similarly rough around the edges when they came in. You cannot expect every old man. to do with Tom Brady, who was not that great in his early 40s, but got better in his mid-40s.

You can't expect Aaron Rogers, who ain't on no TB12, right? He got the bad Achilles. Why would I think he's going to be better than he was last year? Like, why would I assume that? I had not thought about that until you said it, that if all it took to get Gino Smith was a third-round pick, where were the Steelers to get a good quarterback? Yeah. Right. Like not a, you can make him a bridge if you want to, but Seattle was using him as a bridge. And then they decided they wanted to keep him and the price got too high. And they went and got somebody who wasn't as good as him to replace him. Like it's not that easy to find a quarterback as good as Gino Smith is what I'm saying. Why would the Steelers not do that unless Mike Tomlin played all his quarter black cause last year. And they told him, hey, we tried. We tried. We tried with two different guys. No, no, no. Go get Aaron Rogers.

I don't understand it at all. Maybe they were, the only explanation that I would come up with from Pissburg standpoint is that they don't want to give the Gino Smith the extension and they only want to be in the bridged quarterback market, right? Like they want to get a guy this year and a one-year deal and then get back into the quarterback draft cycle next year, which apparently is what a lot of teams are thinking.

You're the Steelers. You're not like a rebuilding, You know what I mean? Like this is a team that most people view as being maybe not a quarterback away, but last year certainly was a quarterback away from beating a lot of really good football teams and they beat them anyways. So I just don't know why you wouldn't go for the most obvious upgrade on the market. It's given, again, we don't know what kind of contracting is going to demand,

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all right we are back with jeopardy superstar uh mina combs and you raised the question about the steelers and maybe they're in the market for a bridge quarterback and that gno smith is a little pricey to be a bridge quarterback at what point do we start to address the following hypothesis that there is actually no such thing as a bridge quarterback in today's NFL. So work with me here, right? We had thought of Baker Mayfield as a bridge quarterback.

And then he played well enough to where he stopped being a bridge and he started to be laying. Like he is their quarterback. As long as he keeps it going, he's their quarterback. Something very interesting about Gino Smith is that Gino is 34,

and he is the oldest quarterback that we know is going to be a starter next season outside of Matt Stafford. I think Stafford is the one guy that's older than him. We talked a lot about the whole dead generation of quarterbacks. This is where it plays out. So all the guys that people think of as being bridge quarterbacks don't none of them ever even start out the whole season.

For example, the Jacobi Peret Bridge that people have attempted to construct in many places. He don't even ever make it all the way through the year. Tyrod Taylor, we thought of him as being bridge quarterback. He doesn't get all the way through the season. Jimmy Garoppolo, he was that guy you think of. No, these guys, either you're a starting quarterback or you're not a starting quarterback. And looking for the bridge is a, is never going to work. Well, Sam Darnold, he appears to be Mr. Bridge now.

Yeah. So I think the distinction here, because your point is very good, is do you have a first round quarterback at the building? Yes. If you do, the bridge quarterback doesn't exist. Because the examples that you're laying out are ones where the team had the first or top 10 pick, right? In both cases, Drake May, Herbert, whatever. if you're in a building, if you're in a quarterback, if you're a quarterback and you're in a building where there's a first young quarterback, you're not for long for this world. Unless he gets hurt.

Unless, yeah. The, like J.J. McCarthy, right? Yes. And then Sam Darnold actually ended up being like a true bridge. The Jets to me are the one where like Fields actually is the bridge because I could be wrong, but I don't think they're going to draft one of the top guys, which I think is smart by the way, based on my analysis of this draft class. but that's a unique situation. You can't have a young guy in the building because then you're right,

the bridge thing doesn't exist. It's always a lie. Yeah, you tapped on something interesting and I've seen what you've said in other places and I thought it was very interesting that the conversation around Shadur Sanders is at once illuminating, a little bit uncomfortable,

and maybe a little bit accurate. Yeah, I've had some clips go out about talking about Shadur and I keep being like, I'm just here to talk about the play. I don't know him. I've been watching a lot of his tape. But of course, the reactions, both ways, by the way, really have nothing to do with his play for the most part.

It's such a curious situation, Beau, because it's both very general and very specific at the same time, right? Like a lot of the talk around him, the reactions are absolutely inflected by general stereotypes and historical things that have just been proven to be true in terms of how we talk about. black quarterbacks. But then there's also a very specific thing going on, which is most black quarterbacks aren't Deon's son. Right. And those two things I think are, I wouldn't say they're

in conflict, but I think it's hard to have a conversation about him because that, they're not hard to, but it's getting messy. Yeah. So using only your eyes, he runs into all the stereotypes. Right. And I mean, if you don't watch him play, you just see him walk in. right? He is his father's son. His father who, this is a great Dionne said the story where he got into it where Carlton Fisk wants when he was playing for the, when Dion played for the Yankees, because this is young Dionne with the Jerry Curl. Dion walks in the batter's box, takes his bat and draws a dollar sign in the batterer's box. And Carlton Fisk, who by this point, I think is already in his 40s, rolls his eyes and expresses how he finds that to be distasteful, which by

the way is a fair point to make, but maybe not necessarily something you need to be saying right now, old white man, but old white man said it out loud and Diav responded to him that the days of slavery were over. You see what I'm saying? Like we wind up in these places where like escalating thing goes. So like, Chodor Santis is the dude that comes. It shows everybody his $100,000 watch in all of these things, for example, right? Like these are, these are things that people would expect. It's a second generation pro black quarterback, but nonetheless, what they would expect of black quarterback. But the way he plays, that's not what we're talking about here. This is a game that does not focus on athleticism. It is accuracy. You wish he would get the ball

out quicker, but this is a pocket passer absolutely all the way without particularly, well, without physical gifts. Like, I don't think he has any physical trait that counts as a gift. What you are betting all with him is that he's going to brainiac his way through it. Like, Gino Smith is an interesting comp, but I think Gino Smith has had much, had much more of an arm coming out of school. Dish Dior does. Yeah, no, you touched on the third thing about this that's so fascinating, which is if you just put out a blind resume of how people are talking about, because these coaches

talking about his personality, that's been the subject of controversy, right, because of what we've been discussing. But if you just ask these coaches about his play, it would sound like they're talking about a white quarterback, right? I mean, to be honest. and I mean in the sense of the stereotypes that we've assigned to the position because what you've described is absolutely accurate accurate being sort of the key word here.

His strengths are mental. He plays like a vet. He reads defenses really well. He has seen it all. He doesn't make that many dumb mistakes. He is accurate. But he lacks in physical tools. he is not a particularly great athlete.

He does not have extreme arm talent. He does not have a canon. You don't see a lot of the really difficult NFL throws on tape. So for him to succeed in the league, you know, he has to, and I say this about any quarterback with that kind of skill set, he has to play really, really fast. And he has to throw with a lot of anticipation because of the arm talent being the issue and the question of mark. And that's, you know, why I think Cam Ward has really leaffrogged him and distinguished himself

as KB1 in this class, which at the beginning of this, it was kind of, of a question. I don't think it's a question anymore. I have yet to encounter anyone who doesn't have word as QB1 now. No, he gets spin it, man. I remember it wasn't that long ago that we had lots of discussions about the way that we all get a little bit too enamory with arm talent when it's time to evaluate a quarterback. They got so many dudes out here now that can spin it. I don't feel like that's really the case anymore. Like, it really does feel like you need that arm. This is a league where you need to have that kind of arm to keep up with what the level of athleticism is that's out here. and you correct me if I'm wrong here because you know better than me,

the evolution of defenses where because of the way the schemes have changed, where you can now stop the run while also keeping two safeties up there, there are a lot of throws, it seems to me at least, that are harder to make than they used to be in this league. Yeah, I agree with that. I think also we see quarterbacks with limited armed talent hit a wall now because defenses are really good at taking away the middle of the field and I think Tuotankov-a-low is kind of the case study for this, right?

You've seen this happened year after year where the offense is lagging the world on fire, perhaps, and then defenses say, all right, cool, throw Jeep outside the numbers and inclement weather, and he hits a while. You can win that way. You can, especially if you're paired with a good running game, which he doesn't have, right? but it's very hard to succeed in the NFL to be a top 15 quarterback if you don't have that kind of armed talent. Cam Ward has it. He absolutely has. He has flaws to his game, no doubt. But to me, when I see like the traits, those are the traits of an NFL starter. Are you with me on this?

I'm just like, talk all you want. There's no doubt in my mind, he'll be the number one pick for the Tennessee Titans because he may not be the best quarterback out there, but he's too good for you to not have a quarterback and to let it go? Yeah, I'm with you now. I wasn't this way at the beginning, because I was at the first at the beginning, like, again, like before the combine after the Super Bowl, when I started thinking about the draft,

I was like, ah, Tennessee, they know that they're not a good situation for a quarterback, and there's two, like, potentially generational players in this draft. Like, the way this draft is, there's two players who were just like a lot better, right? Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter. You put Gentie in that, but obviously

if it's running back. And I thought, oh, you go, there you go, hating on a running back. How did I not know that that was coming? Value matters. Mosgar just got $40 million a year. You don't want Abdul Carter making a rookie contract relative to the top edge. It's the reason why, you know, it's always going to have that bump. Anyways, he's a really good player. But I thought Tennessee, you know, because we always have every year everybody freaks out when the young quarterbacks don't play well. And we always have this conversation, well, these teams are irresponsible, drafting these young quarterbacks and putting

them in bad situations. And there was part of me that was like, ah, Tennessee knows that they got I improve the situation. And then two things happened. I watched more of Cam Ward, talk to folks more about Cam Ward, and I started easing up on that idea that, you know, you could skip this draft because I do think he has that potential. And I also was reminded, like, that all goes out the window, right? And like, they're not going to sit through another year of crappy quarterback play just because the situation isn't good.

And they've also spent a lot to upgrade their offensive line, which that makes me thinking, all right, they're getting this ready for the young quarterback. This draft, and I'm not a big draft guy, but I do feel like this one isn't nearly as interesting, though I think the question comes down, and I haven't asked you about this. Are you putting Travis Hunter at wide receiver? Are you putting Travis Hunter at corner?

This is another one where my thinking has changed. Because at first I said corner, and my thinking was, ah, he could be a really, really good wide receiver, but he could be immediately one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL. He's also, because of his ball skills, going to have the sort of production that's just rare. and this, like, Stingley Jr. had similar ball skills.

But the more I watched of him, I mean, he's clearly the best wide receiver in this draft, too. Like, he is so good. So, like, I watched college football, like, you know, kind of casually. I watched the big games. I watched Colorado when all the hype was going on. And I remember thinking, like, this kid's unreal. On tape. Oh.

He is so special at both of these positions. I know this is a cop-out. I would argue it actually doesn't matter. I think at either of those positions, he has the potential to be one of the best players in the NFL. And if you're the Patriots sitting where they are in the draft, he's instantly the best wide receiver on your roster. Instantly.

You got good corners. is Christian Gonzalez, they signed Carlton Davis. I would not blame them for putting him at wide receiver. He, to me, has the capability of being like a truly special wide receiver in the NFL. He could be a truly special cornerback too. So I actually think it's going to come down to which is which team takes him and what they need out of him.

So the question that I've had is whether his build, which is a touch slight, I feel like he'll get broken half play a wide receiver in a way that is less likely to happen. play a corner. Like I feel like there's a 12 year. There's a 12 year type of prime for him as a corner where I fear there might be like an eight year type of prime for him as a wide receiver. I think that teams have gotten really good at scheming wide receivers open, smaller wide receivers open rather, which is why we're seeing more smaller wide receivers have success in the NFL

with motion and putting them inside bunches, putting them inside bunches, him in the slide if necessary. So they're not going to just to be like, hey, Travis, go line up outside and win 101 versus their best cornerback. But I would also argue he can because he isn't the biggest dude, but his releases are amazing. He has such an innate understanding of leverage coverage. This is a crazy thing.

When you watch him playing wide receiver, it's obvious he plays corner. And then when you watch him playing corner, it's obvious. he plays red receiver because of the mental side that he brings to this in terms of understanding the opponent. I know it sounds like I'm over guessing this dude up. I don't think it's possible to guess him up too much after watching him. I, yeah, he is just that special. No, everybody that's watched this film, I think I saw somebody. I think it was that, that poor young fellow that told Josh Allen he shouldn't have made that one throw or he should have on it the other way. Yeah, poor guy. But I think he said some of the effect of it saw like one bad

play in all the film. Dude, I just started laughing watching it. Like it is literally, because I watched the quarterbacks first and I was like, oh, there's stuff. I don't know. I got a lot of questions. And then I put him on, put him and Carter on next because that's the top, you know, it's the question. Carter, very, very good player. Like, there's a lot of like about him. But Hunter made me like giggle. Like, I was kicking my feet up. Watch it. I mean, I just, I know everybody knows how good he is and what I'm not, this is hardly going out on a limb here. But it is holy shit film. It is just because rare, rare physical abilities,

rare, rare football IQ. Yeah, I cannot wait to watch him in the NFL. Have you thought about how miserable it must be, though, for all these teams that need a quarterback? I know. And aren't going to be. I, you know how bad it is that they can't even talk their cells into it? Like I was talking to one of my draft guys and he was just like, and he just said to me explicitly, don't fall for the Jackson Dart. And as I say many times,

if a dude like Jackson Dart, if you're not hearing any buzz around here right now, he must really stink, really stink. Like 15 years ago, he'd have been on the cover. Kim, Jackson Dart and somebody else would have been on the cover with Cam Newton, talk about the hardest decision of all time. They can't talk to sales into this one. That means it ain't there.

That was the thing that really shocked me after the draft was they started hearing the first round buzz on him. Because again, he was one of the guys I watched pretty early. Like, look, he has some tools. He has a good arm. So it's not, like, I can see an NFL team taking a flyer on him. But like, you know, like, we've seen this movie with Lane Kiffin. Like, we're watching this offense. It's very schemed up.

He is not. doing a lot of NFL things. And again, you can project that, but it's all projection and speculation. So I was surprised by that. Have you gotten around to the Mill Role film yet? Just a little bit. Just a little bit. Somebody's, I don't think anybody's going to fall for it, but somebody is going to be willing to overlook it just because he's such a physical specimen. But when he came out for the draft and people talked about how crazy it was, I was like, oh, no, no, no, no. What is going to get him drafted is not going to change. He needs to stop putting up bad film to get into way of that.

Big strong fast, right? Big strong fast. But I'll tell you this, if somebody was willing to take Anthony Richardson in the top five and they won't take him until the second round, they are saying a lot about what they think about his actual play. Yeah. Look, I don't look at Mill Road and see like an NFL starter, but I sure as hell would rather take a fly around that

than some of the other guys being talked about as mid-round quarterbacks. I think where he goes, like, you know, there's definitely spots that I think would be too rich. But Cannon and those wheels, like at least I'd rather get him in the building and see if he can be developed further. Because some of these other guys, there's such an obvious cat, they're just obviously college quarterbacks to me. This is a bad draft. And, yeah, again, to go back to what you were saying about Hunter and I think Carter to somewhat of it closely, he's not Hunter. I would feel bad passing on those dudes and taking the quarterback. I'd be nervous about it.

But again, it's the quarterback position. Yeah, but like I've been talking about all this show bad, if you ain't got one, you feel like you got to go get one. Like, it's just,

it's a nagging sensation that you got to do something to alleviate. Speaking of nagging sensations, you should do something to alleviate. Do you understand what the Cowboys are or are not doing? Two things I don't understand. One, that there's, no,

I mean, it's not a big deal because they're small. contracts, but the actual players that they've added, this doesn't really make sense to me, to be honest. Kenneth Murray, linebacker, Javante Williams, Rikudado got the same amount of money, basically, he was a better back, in my opinion, to play Carolina. So some of those small decisions don't make sense to me. But more broadly, the delay on the Parsons contract is outrageous. I just, there's no logic to it other than there's either if there's something with Parsons, we don't know, which, you know, judging by, he's a bit of, you know, the stuff he says or whatever.

But, I mean, none of it is, I don't want to pay this guy reasons based on the outside, but me, I don't know, maybe there's some perception of him internally. And then I haven't seen any leaks about him asking for an exorbitant amount of money, but maybe they're really far apart. But, yeah, there's nothing to be gay. The Cowboys and the Bengals organizations are starting to get, I think, the appropriate amount of criticism for the way they do business. business because this has been a pretty disastrous offseason. Do you know who Michael Parsons agent is? Is it Mugoletta? Nita Smogetta.

And I'm just going to say here, every day he starts looking at bigger boats. After Miles Garrett got all that money, Dave was like, let me go look at a bigger boat. Disasterous for Dallas, man. Like, you just got to decide you're going to do this. Like this is, he's a no braider we keep you. There is no argument. Like I ask you this and I don't really know the answer, so I'm curious.

If you just have them both, same amount of money. You taking him or you taking Nick Bosa? Taking Micaharsons. Yeah, okay. Yeah. And we had no problem with Nick Bosa getting the boatload of cash when that time came. This right here, you just needed to be like at the end of year three, how much money do you want? Okay, cool.

We'll pay that. Yeah, I said this on TV. I got like some heat for it. Just take the top edge contract, add some money. Boom, you're done. This is not like a complicated deal. The Garrett thing maybe complicates it a little bit. By the way, love the Browns, continuously making the lives of everybody miserable.

They're like, do you really want to be happy or do you want to be rich? I'll be rich. That's fine. But, yeah, there's just nothing to be gained by waiting. It made no sense. I don't know. I've seen people get blowback. Well, how has he been in the playoffs?

this and that. I mean, I generally feel like we overrate playoff performances generally when we talk about NFL players and what they do or they don't deserve. But he also hasn't, it's not like he's been bad. I don't know. Just none of it makes sense to me. They're not acting like their owner is old. That. That also doesn't make sense. Like I would expect a lot more like anxious sorts of short term moves. And we have haven't seen this. By the way, can I throw something out here at you? And like the difference, um, basically like how we receive things depends somewhat on who you are when you were doing them. And Washington is going out in this free agent market and they've made a lot of big name,

big name pulls making things happen that feels to be very reminiscent of early Dan Snyder. Very reminiscent of early Dan Snyder. Let's go fix it. Let's go get everything right with the free agency. Because I don't know how good they actually are. They got to. They got to play against depleted Detroit last year, right? America's team simply did not have the proper soldiers to go out here and break out that F-14 and drop bombs on the rest of these cats like we thought they were. I thought we was going to get to fly over. Unfortunately, we did not have the players in order to get that done. But I feel like that's gas in Washington and maybe thinking they better than they are.

Yeah, I am in agreement, but you're still salty about Detroit losing. That's how you know you're a real fan. I actually like their offseason a lot. I don't love Washington's off season. Everybody just, not everybody, but, you know, when we see the winners and losers just lists on TV, it's usually just who spent money or signed to people that we've heard of. I am puzzled actually by some of, training for tonsil.

We'll see if they have to give them a new deal. That is, yeah, like if you can bring in a really good left tackle, even though they had a decent rookie performance, maybe moving to right, that's fine. But Washington didn't, the offense wasn't the problem. They had needs to upgrade there. The defense was not good last year, right? So like to your point, organizationally, you got to look at yourself hard in the mirror and say,

hey, we went a lot farther than we should have based on underlying talent at a lot of these positions. We have to improve, particularly on defense. And then they didn't, right? Like, so they. Ant traded Jonathan Allen. Garry Jonathan Allen made one of the more puzzling signings to me in free agency, bringing in Javon Kinla who was not good in San Francisco,

went to the Jets, just didn't live up to his draft status, and then really didn't upgrade, honestly, and they had a ton of money. I thought that they would do more on defense, and they really didn't do a lot. And, yeah, I have some questions about some of the decisions that they've made. I just want to point out about them that obviously is good for them

that they got a different owner, but they got it. an owner who already owns something, which is to say that he doesn't do that great a job of owning with that other team. Yeah. Not exactly. I mean, owned by the man that just signed Paul George. Shout out to the wave, homie.

But yes, he's the guy that side Paul George. You know what I mean? Like, this is, I'm just saying, let's see how this all goes. Let's just see how it goes. Generally, I feel like it's a good thing. The less involved owner is a good thing. So maybe if he's got other concerns going on, there's this thing that can happen,

which is when you get the rookie quarterback and you hit on it, and obviously they have, it can cover up so much because it gives you so much money to spend and allows you to be weaker or make bad decisions. And you saw this with Seattle. I've seen it a lot with teams with the rookie quarterback on the rookie contract over the years,

that you can make mistakes that are then revealed over time. So I think you've got to be wary. I think, you know, we're kind of seeing it. And maybe, well, Green Bay, he's on the contract. Houston is the example. Like, what can you do to avoid being Houston next year if you're Washington? Yeah. I also think it's reasonable to expect a regression from the quarterback,

as I feel like I have seen from just about every lights out rookie quarterback like that that we have seen. But again, you and I have talked about this. Shout out to you, Cliff Kingsbury. The Cliff, the Cliff Cliff Cliff did not happen. For those you don't know what that is,

is Cliff King's offense is starting off great and then falling off a cliff. Every year it happened. Yeah, he was good. This year, though, because they did a lot of things in terms of like, like league leading by a great,

margin use of tempo, some of the screens, all of that. It continued to work throughout the season because he's a very good run game designer and because the quarterback made them right in a lot of ways, especially because of his dual threat ability, frankly. And I think this year, some of that will be tested and challenged. The thing about the quarterback, though, is he's so smart that I think you're going to avoid. There's like a floor that comes with that and he's so poised. but yeah, I'm a little bit apprehensive of anyone who looks at them and thinks they won the off-season.

I think this about Jane Daniels, too. I saw him and his mom walking around at the Super Bowl a lot, and I got to be honest. I am surprised that she let that boy play football. He is, he, a little toward my weight class. Like, whatever number they have listed for him on the program, I want to see him. Like, I actually get on the scale. That was my big worry about him. I was like he we saw like the hitting the beating the beatings that he took in college and that was

my question. I was skeptical that he would be able to survive contact with the NFL. And I think that would be the other thing I'm worried about if I'm commanders. The fact that he largely, you know, he did actually get take a pretty big hit and it did affect him for a little bit. Can you get that again for a full season? I think he has like this natural elusiveness that translated to the NFL that allowed him to avoid the worst of it. But yeah, he is still a little bit of an outlier size-wise. And you're right.

I was struck by it too, seeing him in person. And I think that would be the other thing that I'd be worried about. He should have took a picture with you like Bryce Young did so that we could then use that to be skeptical of him forever. Sean, go ahead and put on the screen that picture that made us realize Bryce Young ain't that tall. Meena taller than people think, but it still ain't supposed to look like this. These three surfaces. Oh yeah. Yeah, it's just a tough go for him. Like, Honestly with him, that's a picture. You got to skip. Like, can I take a picture with you?

No, no, no, no. My agent say I ain't allowed to do that. I did take a picture with Jane Daniels because we did this Segway thing together. Did I tell you about this? No, you did not. We did like a Segway commercial in New Orleans with Cam Jordan for a Segway bike.

And I show up, my dumb ass, wearing a skirt because I was like, I thought this was going to be like a normal segue. way. But so we pull up and it's the bike. And, you know, not trying to be a pitch woman here. It is a cool bike. So I'm looking at that in my little miniskirt thinking, all right, cool. Like, I'm not getting on that. Jaden. He looks at me. He's like, you think I'll get on the bike? I got contractual, you know. So I had to, I, the most awkward looking photo of all times, me and this little skier on the segue bike next to Jaden Daniels is. Wow.

Somebody had to get on the bike. To Google images, we all go. So this is Mehta Combs. Check out the Meet a Com show featuring Lenny, who may or may not be a dog. Check it out wherever fine podcasts, are giving away for free. You got anything else who wants to throw out here?

That's the main thing. We're getting into draft content right now, so a lot more of that coming your way. I'm getting into the draft, too. I'm excited. I know it's not, it doesn't have the quarterbacks, but there are a lot of really fun players. And Celebrity Jeopardy.

That's Lovery Jevary. When are you back? I think the next episode airs in about one month in mid-April. Okay. This is what's up. I'm trying to figure out how you and Jane Daniels both got on this bike. He didn't get on the bike. That was the problem.

So you guys are just standing by the bike? Yeah. Oh, I got on it awkwardly. And then he just watched me. It was, yeah, I'll send you a photo. It'll be obvious once you understand this. Okay. Yeah, no.

I figured that everybody had passed on this and you guys were just looking at the bike uncomfortably. It didn't dawdle me that you were like, wow, I'm really going to have to get all this to get this check, huh? I am committed. Let's just say that. I saw Cam Jordan pushing around on that segue, I think, like at Radio Row.

And that's a big dude to be on wheels. Yeah. You know what? It's a testament to the product. It can support anyone, I guess. He is a natural pitch man, by the way. That guy could sell anything. There we go.

I appreciate you so much. Maybe can't sell this iteration of the Saints. No, nobody can sell this iteration of the Saints. You couldn't sell the actual, like the team. Can we talk about how they keep signing guys, too? What is it? It's like, you know that movie Uncut Gems? Yes.

I feel like that's the current New Orleans Saints. We're like, they're just like, ah, Justin Reed, $20 million. And you're like, oh, my. They just keep a plier for a new credit card. You ain't got no money. Just go apply for a new, oh, $20,000 limit. Don't know why they keep giving me these things. And then their fans are like, you just don't understand the cap.

And I'm like, I. They're fans. You have to understand. It's hard to breathe with a paper bag off. Y'all got, you still got Kurt Cousins on your, I'm sorry, not y'all. That's right. That's right. Hey, let me tell you, look, the Falcons are doing what they got to do.

They got to pretend like they'd not go release them so that somebody will trade for them. But ain't nobody trade for his gimpy ass. What are you crazy? This is going to be the most passive aggressive. standoff of all time between them and him, by the way. That thing's about to get real ugly real quick. All I know is that whatever's going to happen, Kirby's cousin going to get more than $10 million,

like $10 million dollars more than he should. The king. That's it. I appreciate you, Sean. Did you find anything classy on perplexity during the show? Yeah, thanks to perplexity. And with having Mina on, I asked what is the most money ever won on Celebrity Jeopardy?

And because it's awarded to charity, the winner of that tournament gets a million dollars towards their charity. But in that, I wanted to rank or have perplexy rank the winners of Celebrity Jeopardy to see if maybe, you know, Mina can break into that rankings. Their top five currently is Michael McKean, who won $38,000. Ike Barronholz, $46,000. I believe he won Celebrity Jeopardy last year. Andy Richter, 24,000. John Stewart, 23.

Mark McEwen, 217. I think had like close to almost 20K so she could be up there if she has a good win in a month from now. A million dollars. I need to start me at charity. Ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here on The Right Time. Let me do this thing three times a week. That's Sean you. We handles everything behind the scenes.

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