The Right Time with Bomani Jones - NBA's Cool Crisis, Knicks-Jason Kidd Rumors, Lil Wayne's Failure with Tha Carter VI | 6.11

Episode Date: June 11, 2025

On today’s episode, Tyler "DragonflyJonez" of the Jenkins & Jonez Podcast joins Bomani Jones to discuss 'cool' NBA players and Jason Kidd potentially heading to New York. The show begins with the duo saying there is a 'death of cool' in the NBA right now (2:00) and why the 90's had players that would become your favorite even if they weren't superstars (17:34). After the break, Bo and Tyler agree it was time for the Knicks to move on from Tom Thibodeau (30:44) and that bringing in Jason Kidd would be a smart addition (40:12). They round out the show by saying how disappointing Lil Wayne's Tha Carter VI album is (46:01) but he still has the best 5 year run out of any rapper ever. (49:34) . . . Subscribe to Supercast for Ad-Free Episodes: https://righttime.supercast.com/ Subscribe to The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Spotify, Apple or wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok for all the best moments from the show. Download Full Podcast Here: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6N7fDvgNz2EPDIOm49aj7M?si=FCb5EzTyTYuIy9-fWs4rQA&nd=1&utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-right-time-with-bomani-jones/id982639043?utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Follow The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Social Media: http://lnk.to/therighttime Support the Show: Discover faster, more reliable search with Perplexity today. Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at perplexity.com! https://pplx.ai/bomani-jones Download the DraftKings Pick Six app NOW and use code BOMANI. Better payouts. Bigger wins. Only with Pick6 from DraftKings. The Crown is yours. Download Cash App Today: https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/icdnkphp #CashAppPod Go to zbiotics.com/BOMANI to learn more and get 15% off your first order when you use BOMANI at checkout. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A Wave Original presented by perplexity. My name is Beaumani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater.

It is that time of the week when we have a guest join us. Coming to us live from Jenkins and Jones, check them out on Patreon. My man, Tyler. What's going on, brother? My guy. Always good to be back, man. I appreciate you having me. Yeah, man, I'm getting used to using your name in public.

I've been so dedicated to keeping your identity a secret. You know what I'm saying? I ain't even realized that you've just been blabbing on yourself, but I'm not used to it. You know what I'm saying? Listen, dog, like people act like I was like, I think there are some folks on the internet who are hiding and shit, but that was never me. I was just like, you know, I'll, you know,

one of my favorite rap lines ever is Jada kiss, tell you what I want you to know, fuck what you asked me. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, I mean, I've never just been someone who's hiding. Like, if we're talking money and if it's time to get out here and put my face and my name out there to get the bag. Of course, I'm with that. I ain't got shit hot, but you know. I wish none of y'all

knew my actual name. I wish I had made up a name before and I would have written it out completely. Like I do this for everybody else because I wish, I wish, I wish. But we got NBA finals. We got a couple things in the world of pop culture.

We got the Jason Kea situation to talk about. But before we get there, let's start off with the pace of the Thunder, NBA finals, game three coming up Wednesday night. Tyrese Halliburton has not really brought it. I think that's fair to say. But I don't really want to talk about the basketball love it. I talked about that the last time I had a show. Have you noticed that there's been this proliferation on the internet? And I kind of feel bad for the Pacers and the Thunder that they seem to have been the motivating factor. But I've read two different articles about basically the death

of cool in the NBA and how the NBA ain't really got nobody cool in it. And that may be hyperbolic to a degree. There may be a couple of dudes, but none of those dudes play for the Pacers or the Thunder. Yeah, yeah. You know, Halliburton, he made a lot of noise recently when he got voted the most overrated player in the league in that player's poll by the athletic. And, you know, it's lending to your point here, I've said, that him getting that award, it is just players mad that a dorky dude like him is busting their

ass all the time. Like that's all that that is right there, right? So, you know, I, I completely get the whole aesthetic of how we want things to be cool because when we were growing up, basketball players were cool as shit, right? Like, you know, Michael Jordan had an, you know, the kids call it aura today, but that dude really had an aura where he walked different. He, you know, when the camera shot to him and like a suit coming into the tunnel. You felt like you were getting unreleased footage of like Bigfoot in the wild, right? Because, you know, the aura around that dude was just so incredible. And then, you know, of course, you know, the air after him, we had Alan Irison.

It was perhaps the coolest basketball player of all time. You know what I mean? You had guys like, like, you know, Kobe who for sure had a, like, cult following behind him. And it seems like that's missing a bit today in today's NBA. And I don't want to be the old guy, you know, calling a bunch of 25-year-olds uncool. You know what I mean? because that's not my call to make the days of me, you know, dictating what's cool.

That long bypassed me. But yeah, I can completely understand how people have a concern like, like, bro, where is the guy who's, whose, you know, presence is just as big off the court as on the court? All right. So let's be clear. No matter the age, you know cool when you see it, right? And you know, we've known who cool young dudes are.

Like, look, I agree with you on one hand. We don't want to be the old dude saying the 20, 25 year olds are not cool, right? But there's been a generation between these young dudes and, like, I'm trying to think who I would say is like the proper step below. Right. I keep it above, like keeping in mind that Carl Anthony Towns in his 10th year in the NBA, I'm not using him as an example of a cool person. I'm just telling you that that's like these are the gaps in graduations that we have in the league right now. We've seen cats who's younger than us that we would identify as cool. We've been there. But it's been a gradual process, this decrease

of cool dudes in the NBA. Like, I can't, there were dudes, like, for example, I think I've used this example on the show before. But Rod Strickland, to me, is a great example of a type of player with a type of vibe that you just don't see anymore. Raj Strickland, not going to Hall of Fame. Rod Strickland was a cold beach. But Ross Strickland's not a dude that's going into the Hall of Fame.

Ross Strickland, for you younger cats, is Kyrie Irving's Godfather. And if you want to see the influence, like where Kyrie's game, where it comes from, go pull up a YouTube clip of Rod Strickland. Kyrie is the next level of the evolution of a dude with the kind of game that Rod Strickland has. In fact, Kyrie has probably, he might be the most on-court cool cat that we got. It just so happens that off the court, you know, that guy. But on the court, he had all the cool.

But a dude like Rod Strickland, you see that cat walk on the floor or just dribble the ball. And you're just like, oh, that dude right there is cool. like I don't need you to be John Shaft necessarily, but some cats just have it in the way that they carry it where you're just like, oh, there's something different about this one. And for whatever reason, that isn't coming through. I have a theory, though. I'll run this by you. Now, this will make me sound real old.

Now, I'm more comfortable with sounding real old than you are. I've made my piece in this, you know what I'm saying? I sat down on the train the other day when it was some free seats and some people, and they wouldn't really know free seats. And I decided I was too old to be standing and letting one of these children get down there. I earned that seat. You know what I'm saying? That's where I am.

But anyway, I've been reading all these books about how terrible the Internet is. And one of them made the point. And the example they were making was about coffee shops all over the world. And that with the presence of Instagram, everybody knows what a coffee shop is supposed to look like now. And so the guy was talking about that as he traveled around the world and he would look for coffee shops, all the coffee shops kind of had the same decor. The characteristic I could point out that people were probably most readily relate to is like the industrial look on the inside with brick wall over there. And then maybe there's an Instagram wall over here with some pictures or whatever or colors.

But everywhere he went, the algorithm rewarded you for having a coffee shop that looked quote unquote like a coffee shop. And therefore, everybody was making their coffee shop look the same because that was the way that we get promoted because the algorithm knows that that that's, what people want, right? It happens in music also where we haven't really, the last time we had like a real new movement in music, we can't point to in part because everybody already knows everything that's going on, which is to say that everybody already knows the answers to the test. And nobody's trying to play the wrong answer to the test. And part of being cool is being willing on this essay test to hit the teacher with some shit that she ain't never thought of before, not even the answer she was looking for, but to flip it, right? Like, no, I'm going to say something else. I I gave you some game, though, right? And you get to A that way. As long as everybody has access to everything and everything that everybody else is doing, it takes so much more to be on your own shit. Like, Alan Iverson was at once on his own shit while also representative of what was going on, right?

Like, it was a very interesting middle ground. But it was also from a, he was from a very insular place. That man ain't really know nothing that was going on outside of what they call him, the seven cities, which is who city is doing a lot. a lot of work. But he didn't know what was going. He didn't know what was going on outside of that. You know what I mean? So it's like a world has been created where these dudes know too much. They got, they know too many memes, right? Like Tyrese Halliburton hits that shot in Madison Square Guard. He knows to do Reggie Miller. Jason Tatum wins a championship. He knows to do the Kobe

Bryant thing with the jacket and all this stuff because everything is a throwback as opposed to something new. And it's got to be cool. It's either got to be new or you got to be going back where nobody else goes. Like when Snoop was going back to the 70s stuff when he first dropped, wasn't nobody really doing that though. Yeah. Yeah. I completely agree with you. And, you know, you were talking about how Kyrie is one of the coolest guys on the court, but the off court stuff is like, I don't know. I think Aunt Edwards is of sure in that category too. Yes. With the same dynamic where it's like cool as hell on the court. I think he's the best interview in the NBA. And, you know, giving to, lending to what you said, he is a very

particular type of Southern guy where it's like, you know, he's 24 acting like this and I've got 60-year-old uncles who act the same way like this. Like, like, I remember when he said bring your ass and I saw Minnesota running with that. I was like, no, Minnesota, you can't wrong with that. That is Southern shit right there. Like, that is deep South Georgia shit right there. You know what I'm saying? So, um, yeah, it's, it's, it hits on to what you said about how everything seems a bit contrived. And I, for one, I wasn't mad at the Halliburton celebration. I think that that was more of him paying homage than trying to establish his own moment. Because if there's

any time to pull the choke gesture, when is a better time than when you pull up a 20-point comeback in MSG with Reggie on the call, right? I thought that that was more homage than him trying to mark out his own moment. But with Jason Tatum, bro, he was on that championship tour all summer looking for a viral moment. And he, like you said,

he was just calling back, he was calling back to Kanye's VMA speech, the guests will ever know, you know, type deal. Like, it's, it goes back to what you said about how, how, like, the culture of cool, not only in just the NBA, just in media and mass media period. There's no new intellectual property, it seems like. It seems like everybody is relying on what's already been done. Right. Have you watched the studio on Apple Plus to Seth Rogen Joyce?

I haven't. I've heard great things about it, though. Okay. So I can, I feel like I can tell this and it doesn't ruin it, right? Because it comes up so early in the season. But a running theme in the movie, or in the show is about making a movie about the Kool-Aid man, because they have got the intellectual property for the Kool-Aid man. And so it's the whole thing, it's a big part of the season, it's who's going to play the Kool-Aid man and everything off the Kool-Aid man because the idea is, well, we have this IP. And if you walk in the door at IP, like everybody, everybody's looking for something proven.

And that's a corporate mentality, but I feel like the Internet and the social media stuff in particular has trickled the corporate mentality down to, people in a way that is much different. This is a contributing factor, for example, or maybe this is more reflection, what I'm about to point out, but how much rap fans talk about how much they favorite artists sells, right? Yeah. That is corporate thinking. The social media, it allowed famous people in corporations to act like they were regular, right? But in return, regular people started acting like they were brands and like they were corporations themselves, right? And so it comes in the middle. Now, I've seen this point also mentioned.

I think my buddy mentioned this online, but I'm not sure, so I don't want to put them out there if it's just something he and I talked about with each other. But the NBA in particular, Nike did a lot in creating their cool people or creating their stars to the point where with Penny Hardaway didn't have enough of a personality,

they went and created one for him in the name of an alter ego that, by the way, feels a little uncomfortable when you go back and listen to it. It feels real tales from the hood. Yeah, yeah. What are there to be like, hey, yo, Chris, you ain't got to go that far, dog. Chill out.

White people can hear you. Like, nobody was there to be like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. You do it the most. But Nike, the legend of Michael Jordan as cool comes from Nike. Or, and I don't know how much this comes down for the young people to understand the specific branding and image of Charles Barkley. and what it was. A league could not create that. Like Charles Barclay was a lovable anti-hero, but an anti-hero nonetheless. The league couldn't create that. Reebok in their role with Iverson.

The league, in fact, the league made Iverson a bigger star by trying to whitewash what it was. He was so, he was so dangerous that the NBA had to try to set it down and the Reebok was like, no, we're going to build it back up. I think I don't review and I've talked about this, but people miss in the face of the NBA conversation. The league don't choose the face of the NBA. We decide the face of the NBA and we decided it with Alan Iverson. Forget about who does this, who does that, whatever it is. No, for better or worse for the league, Alan Iverson became that. But it was because of the magnetic quality that he had. The shoe companies ain't good at that anymore, bro. Like you go look at them new. I don't understand it's new balance, right? But even still, those new balance ads, y'all ain't making nobody in them commercial. seem no kind of cool. Nike hasn't had a person that they've really made or like a truly stick to your ribs ad campaign, not even for LeBron and who knows how long.

You're 100% correct. Like the advertising is for sure failing these young men as well. But at the time, I don't know if the Star Power is there for that too, right? Because one of my favorite basketball commercials ever is the Reebok commercial where they flip the basketball bouncing and the sneaker squeaks into a beat and had Jada kiss rap. over there for the new Arverson Sneakers. That is one of my favorite basketball commercials ever. I was just reminded recently about

a commercial to push the Jason Kids in 1995 where you had, what I'm about to tell you was just unfathomable in 2025. They had Jason Kid playing in like an open run, you know, in slow motion that they were highlighting it all and zooming in on the kicks and all. And they had

KRS 1 rereading Gil Scott Herons, the Revolution not be televised, right? Like that is just something that I just do not see happening in 2025's landscape because so much of this has been like commercialized and commodified and it's just cool is, you cannot commercialize cool. You can, if you find cool, you can put it out there and blast it out there and make some cash of it for sure, but you cannot manufacture it.

You know what I mean? And I just do not see any of these kids that have that same cool that like a guy like Ierson had. Like Iverson just might have been a once in a lifetime moment. bro and I'm glad we got to win this that shit in real time. Well, yo, you raised a really good point there, I think, in talking about whether or not whether or not the players are providing the raw materials. Yeah.

Right? Like, are the players coming in cool enough? And I think, again, this is beyond just the NBA, right? Like, I think that this is a broader cultural issue, the widespread death of cool that seems to be happening. But with the players, the theory that I've had, I'd love to see. this hypothesis tested a bit is that with a lot of these kids like being taken out of like their schools for example and being sent to these places just like to become basketball players,

I feel like cool is cultivated in your community. And part of what allows these dudes to be cool is because you to call dude on the basketball court, you can get away with whatever you want, right? Like Cam Newton, what he wears is what he wears and I would never do it. But I do love the fact that we still got somebody out here willing to dress like a weirdo because he can keep can pull it off. I wouldn't do it. This cat is out here wearing jerseys with bow ties, but I can't say he in a, in a, and a, and a, and a, and a, and a, and a, he can't say he's not pulling it off. He can, like, he, it don't look like nothing I want to wear, but he can walk in the room and you look at him and listen to him talk. Shit, man, didn't them do him try to fight him

while he was out there wearing that smoking the bear hat? Dog, I just, that, it was like four dudes trying to fight him and he didn't break a sweat at all. That's right. Like, look, I, like, when, when, when, when that of the service of him reuniting with Luke Keekley during the Super Bowl. And Luke Keekley, like, came up to hear on him. And Luke Keeney is one of the baddest liebackers we've ever seen in life. I was like, bro, this dude is different, dog. But yeah, Cam Noon has like established his own. He's like his own fashion house, though.

Like the house of Cam Noon. There's no one in the world, especially not in sports media that dresses like that dude, bro. Yep. But he can, he can pull it off. And so I saw a discussion being had about whether or not the NBA has made a mistake in promoting players over teams. And I don't think that they have made a mistake in that regard. I think it's fair to raise the question whether players are holding up their end of the bargain. Like the NBA doesn't really have enduring franchises like that. It doesn't have football.

Again, this isn't football. Football can do that in a different way. The players don't mean as much in football. The players mean just about everything in basketball. The players, however have to hold up like their end of the bargain in terms of this. But I don't, I wonder how this all goes for the NBA now that it's in its era of parity and that having that guy doesn't matter as much. Because I think another thing, and I realize I'm rambling a little bit when I make this point, but it just dawned on me and I think it's worth mentioning. I think a big difference between now and before is you can have a favorite player back in the day that wasn't a star. That was just that dude that was on the squad and for whatever reason. You like that. You like.

him or whatever it is. Like there was a dude that used to play for the Rockets. I don't even know if anybody else remember him, but it was his cat named Derek Chivas and Derek Chivas went to Missouri and Derek Chivas used to just scream all the time for no goddamn reason. Like Derek Chivas would dunk and go, ha, ha! And it's just like, Derek Chivas could be your guy because he was the one to do that. The way that people talk about Andrew Tony, for example, Andrew Tony was not going to be a Hall of Famer necessarily, but he was your guy just because you liked his game or you just like something about his get down. There are all kinds of dudes around. Rod Strickland is an example of a guy that we would talk about.

Rod Strickland could be somebody's favorite player without being a perennial all-star. Your guy could be, it just felt like there were more levels to what it was that people like. And this is not to dog what's going on now, but I think for me at least, is to raise more questions about how exactly it is that we got to this place. Yeah, yeah. You know, going back to your Ross Strickland point, like nature, you know, a member of the firm for those who might not be familiar. He had one of my, one of the best sports lines of rap to me. me where he said, I went to games as a Knicks fan.

They had Strickland. They traded them. Ever since then, son, I hated them. Like, that list to your point about how we had these attachments to guys who just weren't superstars, but they met something to us on a certain, you know. Charles Oakley. Yeah. Anthony Mason. The Knicks was a squad fun of them dudes. It was Patrick Ewan and a bunch of guys that you might have fucked with for whatever

reason. Yeah, yeah. And to your point about how there's been a whole lot of parading, like you said, about people saying, well, this is what happens when the NBA promotes players over teams. the NBA, that is looking at things through an NFL scope, where you can look at the NFL and say that there's like six or seven teams that legitimately have a quote-unquote nation, right? Like, you know, the Raiders have a nation,

the Packers have a nation, the Steelers have a nation, right? You can say the 49ers probably have a nation. Bro, the only team that you can legitimately say that about the NBA is the Lakers. Like, you can't even convince me the Celtics have a nation. You know what I mean? The Celtics are a little. little bit, but you're right. It's really the Lakers. It's really just the Lakers, bro. And

that's how the NBA has always been marked. It has always been players. Like, when Magic and Bird revived the league, it wasn't, yes, they're renewing the great rivalry of the Celtics and Lakers. There's not, the flashy black guy in Los Angeles first, the white blue collar guy in Boston.

Like, that's what we want, you know? And I would say this for the NFL. 20 years of the Patriots. That was about Tom Brady. Yeah. The Patriots never became, they became a national television draw because they were always good. But it did not become a everywhere you go. The Patriots are drowning out the home fans.

They're not the Cowboys. Oh yeah, you forgot. You've been talking about nations. Yeah, yeah, the Cowboys for sure. But yeah, I mean, the Cowboys is probably the most followed sports team in the country. They're terrible. You know what I mean? Like, it's just a different dynamic there.

It's just interesting that everyone points to the NFL. And, bro, that is a model. that cannot be duplicated. We just need to throw that out the window. The NFL is a one of one dog. They play one game a week, man. They play one game a week. It's kind of the nature of the in and out of personnel. You know what I'm saying? Like all of those things, it's a lot of that. I just want cool cats make the world go around, right? Like there's a real value in having somebody that's just cool and magnetic. And that was the thing about Anthony Edwards is that he is legitimately magnetic. he has that level of charm about him.

It would be different if he was the cat. Like it doesn't go to that next level where he's the dude like Mike. Like you said, if Mike sported something, everybody, the last day it's came out and Mike was wearing that Kooji suit. We wanted to wear that Kuzzi short set. You remember that? And we was ready to wear the set again ourselves. Nike had to put it out with their branding on it.

Because if Mike did it, that was what it was. That was what Sonny Fikaro said, When he signed Mike, he was like, you just don't get it. He was like, he's this, he's that. If he wears it, it looks good and you want to wear it, even though you know it won't look like that on you. He just had that like these, I understand all these young cats who think that, like I wasn't even a big Jordan fan.

They think that this is all nostalgia in the way that we talk about Mike. And it's like, nah, bro, they was talking about this when it happened. I'm telling you like this, that dude is just a little bit different. That level of cool LeBron didn't quite have. Like LeBron has his own thing, right? It's not that he doesn't have a vibe. It's not that he doesn't have an aura. But it ain't like that.

That's the hardest thing for LeBron to overcome in the discussion. To be fair to him is you ain't necessarily want to be like LeBron. You just really appreciated it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the man, the man was hocking his own cologne. Like, he was so cool. He was so cool that the suits, you know, figured out maybe he's so cool.

Maybe he's so cool. Maybe people even want to smell like this guy. bullshit on that one because I felt like we smoked we smoked that shit we're like nah this ain't it dog that's one of the few times mj whiff bro that is correct but here's the thing we rejected the cologne yes not the notion we did not reject the idea absolutely of the cologne absolutely we went also yeah we went in there ready to smell like michael jordan and that shit smelled like dutu water it was it was also in fairness to mike the cologne market was real tough around in cool water snoop snoop had the cool water

in the streets. Yep. Snoops, Snoops, lotty-doddy, cool water drop. They need to get that man some stock

for that. Because, bro, I feel like, like that turned a whole generation onto that shit. Brother, I was going to school

with so much cool water off. It was, it was, it was like bath water. It was, it was the water in the washing machine.

I was washing my clothes in cool water. Yeah. And it was at, it was at a very affordable price. point two. It was like $40 for like the big boy bottle. They had the cool water, had the Fahrenheit, you know what I'm saying?

I had the polisport, the jupe. The k1, the cK1 was a moment for fragrances in the mid-90s. It was. I didn't do the jupe. The jupe, it just seems so ridiculous as an idea to me. I could not get around on the juke. The curve came around. It's very crown royal velvety bad, Uncle Kingel fragrance, yes. The curve came around. Oh, Curve was a monster. Curve was one of those colognes where I didn't see the big deal, but the woman loved it so I was like okay we roll him a curve tonight right like curve did it and then and then you reach that point of your life when you get hip and you find out that the oil man at the kiosk at the mall or at the flea market had the exact same for more affordable prices and you could

put it with your lotion and thereby distributed a little bit more smoothly yep I remember going into that scene like the cool water all I was okay I've got cool water let me see this I was like a hold of you you might then did something You know what I'm saying? Like, hold me. Let me give you my $3 for a three-month supply right quick. Man, you'd never run out of that shit, man. Like, for you to run out of it, you were defeating the purpose, man.

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All right, we are back with Tyler, aka Dragonfly Jones, and you are a former Knicks fan. You came back around to the Commandos because of Jay and Daniels. This last thing ain't make you come around to the Knicks? Did you come back? I mean, a big part of why I came around to the Commandos

was because they got Snyder up out of there. Dolan's still at the Knicks. So that's kind of where I'm still pumping the brakes on this. Okay. But yeah. That raises it. Hold on. You hit it right on the nose, though.

We're going to go with that. That's where it is, right? Because we are now in the middle of a great Jim Dolan situation. First of all, the Knicks, another team without a single cool person on it since they traded my man, Dante. Dante was carrying cool for the whole operation when you go back and think about it, man. They ain't really got, they ain't got no cool cats. And they got him out of there. They got him out of there and brought Carl in, right?

Like that was a huge, huge deficit trade for them when it came to the cool, right? Yeah. Dante is cool shit. that clip of him coming back to MSG and talking shit at the free throw line of Tibbs. Like you say I can't finish right and just sitting those free throws like, yeah. That's what I'm saying. Cool motherfucker right there. That's what I'm saying.

But okay, so the Knits fired Tom Thibodeau, understandable. Even if we wouldn't have done it, I get him. They made the trade. Would you have fired Tibdo? I would not have fired him for the reasons that they seem to fire him. Well, no, I would have fired him for the reason they seemed to fire him. But if he had a good report of Yahoo about this, Jim Dolan sat in on the exit. interviews. Jim Dolan was coming in to fire him, basically. And he asked the question in the exit

interviews. And I wonder if the players really felt the ways that they said or they knew that this was the answer that the boss had. But there were guys that were like, yo, players typically decide when a coach gets fired. And it sounded like a lot of the players had had enough with him. It is a difficult thing to fire a coach, though, after your greatest success and God knows how many years. Like, it's not necessarily a great look. But I've said this on this show many times. I can come up with a reason to fire anybody. If I want to, you can come up with the reason, right? But it looks like Jim Dolan wants to hire Jason Kidd. And if you know anything about James Dolan, Jason Kidd seems like the kind of guy that he would want to hire. Okay. This is all over. Because hey, say what you want

about Jim Dolan, boy, that man done made fortunes for black people, good graciousness. Coaches in particular, Jim Dolan is, Jim Dolan, I don't know if he agrees with the Robert Sarver philosophy on these matters. You may remember the Robert Sarver quote. But it sure seems like it. These brothers need a brother for a yes, that's right. That is right. That is right. Like me like.

That is just one of those incredible quotes that came from a terrible person and it's like, why did you? Like we needed, we needed the person you're saying was needed here to say this quote. And for those of you, if those you who don't know, when Baxter Holmes did his kind of expose into the racism of Robert

Sarver when he owed the the Sons. And by the way, this happens a lot with racist people who own teams. And we're talking about hiring a coach for the squad. And he said these in words need an inward, which none of us like the language, but all of us knew what he was saying. And many of us can say that maybe in that case he had a point. And the important distinction is he didn't go hard ER on it. Right. That's a very important distinction. Because that's such an incredible quote. If they would have came from like, you know, James Johnson or someone. and there, dog, like, you know what I mean?

I mean, it's basically what Brad Stevens realized. Brad Stevens was like, yeah, they need a new, a new voice. And the new voice that they got was Ibe Udoka, who, if you subscribe to the theory that they, that those, those thems need of them, email Udoka is central casting exactly. Yes. What you would say. Yes, a dude who does not miss his words on the slightest at that. No, no, no.

and he that dude, right? So Jason Kidd, it seems, is the sort of guy that the Knicks were to hire. Of course, the problem is Jason Kidd already has a job. Now, I have two points I want to bring up on this, and I want to see what you think about them. Point number one, went no way in the world. If you know anything about Jason Kidd. Jason Kidd is a political animal, and it was no way in the world that Jason Kidd was

going to allow himself to go down with the ship with Nico after making that Luka trade. I don't know if he was or wasn't on board with it. it don't matter. Once it became clear that the streets was not on board with it, Jason Kidd's getting himself out of association with it. This right here, that right there. That was always a guarantee. Like if you didn't see that coming, you have not been paying attention to the last 30 years of Jason kid. Point number two, I believe that when the talent says it's over, it's over. And so if Jason Kidd wants to get out of there, Niko would be wise to let him go because otherwise Jason Kidd is going to make this real tough on you. You need to go ahead and let them go. But you don't let them go without some measure

of compensation. Everybody understands that. What that means is there will be a negotiation where on one side is the dude who traded Luca Dajic for not enough. And on the other side will be Jim Dolan, who is a notorious overpayer if he wants something. See Carmelo Anthony. Those two guys negotiating a deal? Ooh, I have. intrigue. Yeah, it's and and for one, this, this doesn't disprove anyone who thinks that the Brunson family is running that organization because, you know, Rick and Kid had those Dallas ties there. Also, also is a lot of fodder for the conspiracy there. So I think they were going to make a go at Janus. You know, Janus and, you know, kid coach Janus and Milwaukee. Yonis had an incredible story where he said he, he,

he went home from practice one day, pissed at Jason Kidd. Jason Kidd was on his ass that day. He said, like who this Jason Kid guy think he is? Let me Google who this dude is. And he said he was blown away to find out how incredible Jason Kidd was, right? Like, yeah, Jason Kidd was a monster, you know, as a basketball play, bro. Like that 2001, 2002 season when he went to the Nets and flipped him from a 26-win team to a 52 win team and finished second to Tim Duncan, an MVP voter, he was my MVP that season. I understand people giving it to Tim, but that was an incredible season.

That season ruined Stefan Marbury's reputation forever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's that too. He went to Phoenix and just became the empty stats guy after that. But also, it was a one, it was a one for one trade. And simply switch it out, Stefan Marbury, who was cold. Don't ever let anybody tell you otherwise. Yeah, he was incredible. But simply switching him out for Jason Kidd, they got 30 wins better. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There were no other major tweaks to that roster other than Kid for Marbury that year. And they won 30 more games. Yeah. Really incredible. But, you. Going back to the tips discussion, I think that getting tips out of there was the right choice. Man, I think that in this era, in this second apron era, the new CBA error, I think your windows are even smaller than they were before. And I think that when you've got the roster, when you've got a core that can win a championship, like that coach's hot seat gets even hotter if they can't produce.

Every year matters now. If you got the roster that can contend for a championship and the money is working, every year is even more vital now because it's going to, to come a day where that money doesn't work. And so I completely understand why they got tips out of there. Hold on. Do you think they have a roster that can compete for a championship? Because I don't think they do. I do. I never looked at that roster during that Indiana series and thought they need another

guy. They for sure need some more shooting. You can get MLE veteran minimum shooting. Everybody can shoot in today's league, right? They can get some more shooting. I do think that the whole point of your two best players cannot also be your two worst defenders, right? I think there's a case for that.

That's my issue. I think there's a case for that. But at the same time, we saw Yokic and Jamal Murray run it up. And neither one of those guys are all world defenders, you know, to save the league. Yeah, but neither one of these two guys is Nicolai Yolich. That is true. That is true. I think Kat is the second best center in the league, though, behind Yokch.

I mean, is there agreements there? Let's start. I mean, the drop-off is huge for sure between Yok and Kat. Yeah. But I guess when you say that, because I thought Carl was really, really good this year, 24 and 12 and all of this stuff. But I'm trying to think of who else counts as a center in the league. You know, that's where I'm, because I don't have an answer to say that you're wrong.

You know what I mean? Yeah. But let me ask you this. Let me ask you this, because I think this raised an interesting question. Would you rather have Carl Anthony Towns over a healthy Porizengis? I mean, the whole thing about that, Porzingis run last postseason to help the Celtics locked that ring up is we never quite seen Porzingis play at that level before. And I don't think he's ever going to get back to that either.

Is Carl Anthony Towns better than whatever version of Joelle and B still exists? No. Then whatever version. Hold on. That's a unique qualifier. Like that's the question. Yeah. I don't know exactly what version we still have.

Are we calling Anthony Davis a center? He's a reluctant center who wants to play the five, the four. He's four and a half. He's a four and a half. That shit might have legitimately got him shipped out of L.A. His reluctance to play the five, too. Like, let me tell you what got him shipped out of L.A. That's what got him shipped out of L.A. It's a Luka sale going on down there. Yeah. It's dog. I just, I'm, we are what, five months deep into the Luka trade. I still can't fucking believe it, though. I don't think I ever will. I still, how it's going to end will be very interesting. and it's what gets us to the discussion we're in, right? It's what gets us to Jason Kidd is trying to bail and see where I think Nico's in a trick bag there is, who you getting to take this job?

Because it seems very clear to me that Nico Harrison is going to be fired as soon as it is politically expedient for them to do so. So, like, the guy who's hiring you is on thin ice? Who takes that job if they let Jason Kidd go? So do you give Jason Kidd call it $15 million a year, whatever it takes to keep him? No, I think Jason Kidd wants out regardless, because I agree.

He's a very smart man who has been in the NBA world for 30 years, and he knows how the chain of command goes once the firing start happens. And he knows his, the head coach is the first guy on the chopping block before he gets to the gym. And yeah, I think that Jason Kidd wants out. I think he'd be a good fit in the Knicks. I think that he's a defensive-minded coach. He's someone who, like we said, he's a straight shooter. Like he was just flat out telling us, bro, Luca has to step his defense up.

Like he was flat out telling us that in ways where it wasn't throwing Luca under the bus. He's like, we've had these discussions before. And he knows if he wants to take the next leap, this is what he has to work on. Right. So, yeah, I mean, and I think the coaching job he did last postseason was incredible. I think that he hid a lot of the weaknesses of a defensively limited back court with Kyrie and Luca. And didn't turn that into something that teams could capitalize on and win on in the playoffs. So I would be interested to see what he would scheme up for Brunson and Kat.

I think that he's a great fit for the Knicks and I completely understand why the Knicks got Tibido out there because like I said in this whole second apron era every year where the money works bro you have to work with an increased sense of urgency I think you make a move like that generally one of two things happens one of them somebody wants to fire you

and that seemed very clear to be the case but the second part is do you have somebody that you know you can get and I think somewhere along the way the Knicks feel like they know they can get Jason Kidd And I tell you this, though, it's about to be a pressure-packed job. Ain't no, we got to ease this in. Ain't none of that going, dog.

The people here expect things. Now, they just fired a coach that went to the Eastern Conference finals, and you ain't been there in 20-something years. Like, this is going to be a thing. Since the Larry Johnson four-point play, since this is what we're like, we're 25 years, though. Yeah, but you know what, I do not see why this move doesn't happen for all parties involved. By the way, do you remember that I believe it was during that series or maybe it was during the NBA final, something that gets forgotten? Is that Larry Johnson, I believe, joined the nation of Islam or at the very least he was like playing Shutes, pled Sunni.

I don't remember exactly which, but he did one of those. And I think I think I associated with the nation of Islam because he made some statement about like the black man working for the white man. I believe there may have been a plantation reference. I do remember that. Yeah. That was a time. Yeah, yeah. I feel like we discussed this before.

South Dallas dudes, dog. A different breed, bro. A different breed. Yo, when is the last time that we had a big time athlete go online for Allah? Oh, actually, I know who the answer to that is. Would it be Abdulahouf? Is that, like, I know his conversion. Or with Kyrie?

Kyrie. Kyrie. I was just saying I just remembered the most obvious answer. Yeah, yeah. Kyrie for sure, for sure. Y'all let me say, not mentioning Kyrie, let me tell you something that happened to be the last time I was in Houston. So I went to Houston about a month ago.

I did the commencement address at Prairie View, and they put me up downtown. And so we got him back from doing the talk, and I'm just kind of walking around. Houston's downtown, they've been trying to get it cracking for like 30 years. It's got stuff, but it's not cracking. So I walk it around, and I come across this park, and I go to the park,

and it felt like something that would have been on season six or four, whatever would have been the next season of Righteous Jimstones, right? It was a bunch of black dudes and they had blue t-shirts and they were some, it felt like some bootleg version of the Black Israelites, right? Like it was some homemade religious group, but none of the fellas looked like they was like a couple of the fellas look really invested. The others look like they just try to be there for the homie, but they not really down, right? Like nobody, they didn't seem to be like really in it, but they were still doing it when they was over there. And one of them looked at me, it was like,

brother, you want to come over here? No, man, I don't want any parts of what y'all got going. Like, he had the microphone and he was spitting, like he wasn't aggressive like the Israelites are, but it seemed like he tried to start his own situation from the ground up. And I want to know what it was like when he went to get them T-shirts made, because I used to get T-shirts made. They ask you a lot of questions when you go in there to get t-shirts made because they'd be curious. You know what I'm saying? Like, but it looked like they tried to start their whole click. And I'm like, what does it take for you to decide that you're going to start your own sect? They try to hit you with the mid-level marketing radicalization.

The mid-level marketing indoctrination. That's, yeah, bro. It's just, and the whole thing about like the Israelites is, bro, they are not out there to try to convert you. They are out there to to tell you their beliefs to fuck up your day more or less. Like I've never seen the Israelites on any corner in any city I've been to be like,

yeah, the Israelites are here. Thank God. It's always been like, oh God, these dudes. There's two levels of it, right? There's level one when they come dressed like the cues, but then it is level two when they dress like falcadelic. They either bootze or LSUHAC, right?

That's right. Look, man, I will never forget for the life of me. when Kyrie was going through it with the vaccines and the black Israelites pulled up to Barclay said it all deep and Jalen Brown and Jailer Brown sent the tweet

putting it all for the Israelites and everybody came down on them and he was like, I'm sorry I thought who was the cues and I don't know if he was telling the truth but I can't say that he was lying. That's the whole thing. Even if he knew there were Israelites, he picked the one

flawless way to excuse himself. I'm like, all right, I guess atomic dog you know it's like you know same thing I can understand how the mistake

was made here like that was it speaking of mistakes you listen to the car of six I did not listen to the car of six I have not seen an album

be panned this roundly since Rayquan's immobilarity that is that is the last time I saw such consensus discussed for one record. You listened to it. You said you had a reason. I did. I felt, and the whole thing is I've ignored Weese's albums of the last few years. What he did was he called it the Carter 6. That's what got everyone invested, right? Like, you know, there's a certain brand that he's established with the Carter and we thought, okay, maybe he's putting the bullshit aside and it's really locking in on this album. Like, for instance, I know you and I, we're both big ghostface fans.

Yes. When have you cared? The last time I cared about a ghost face album was Big Doe Rehab 2006. I just got news this week that he's dropping Supreme Clientel 2 this summer. I'm going to be there at 12.01 a.m. on that Friday night. And I know you are too, but are you not? Let me tell you the truth. I was not a big Supreme Clientel fan in real time.

And then I realized it didn't make sense on purpose. It was kind of a da-di-ist interpretation of rap. that's all I needed to hear because prior to that I was like but brother this doesn't make any sense now it's like yeah yeah you're right all over it so this is my thought and I feel differently about Supreme

Clientel because he's only coming back to part two literally 25 years after the first one right to me the card of six was a sign a bad sign this dude ran out of so many ideas that he didn't even have an idea for a name of an album that did not bode well for the album that was going to be

there. Number two, by the time you get to part six, we are a police academy territory. You feel me? Like, that's the police academy and the fast and the theories. That's where we are. None of them have marks of quality. Like, that was, that was the bad sign to me. But I saw somebody, I don't think they made this exact point. I can't remember who it was. But I think what I'm going to say was inspired by whoever said that first, or influence is probably the better way to put it. When you're a rapper who never really had a point, it's hard to age. right? Because at his best, Wayne is so incredible. But he didn't really have a point. And then he reached his point where his recording was one line at a time, just making sure that the bars were dope

with one another. But that's no way to put together anything that actually has a point. And so now you're in your mid-40s and you ain't got no point. You can't really be out here rapping like a young person. Like the cats that keep their raps going in their 40s are cats that then begin to rap like they're in their 40s, right? They have like a thing that they want to say. And I felt like with him, he had reached that point where he just doesn't, like, why do I care when Lil Wayne says about anything at this point in my life? Yeah. Yeah. It's stream of consciousness rap where the consciousness has been rapidly kind of deteriorating for like the last of, you know, 20 years or so. But, but yeah, you know, the thing about Weezy and I feel like, you know, I don't, you know,

want to tear the dude down. I want to give him his flowers because I'm a huge witty fan. I think that, you know, he's at the point now where none of this really matters. It's just discussion. His reputation, his legacy, is cemented for me. I think that when I think about Little Wayne, there's like a few things that come to mind in regards to his legacy. I think that Little Wayne had the best second act in rap history. And I view the first act of his career, you know, the three albums before Carter. Carter dropped, and that was a significant shift in Little Wayne's career trajectory, right? I don't know if you can say that anyone had a better run than Little Wayne.

If we're bookmarking it at the Carter in 2004 and No Seams in 2009, I'm not sure if there's a rapper who had a better five-year run. I also think we limited that to solo? Just to the work output, because mix takes play a huge part in Wayne's legacy as well. And also, yes, yes, just solo. Wayne was flying solo at that moment. And also, I think a sneaky thing is Little Wayne is probably the second best

teen kid rapper behind L.L. I think that is absolutely correct. Yeah. Like if you, bro, like his albums before, Carter was his fourth album. And he was 22 when he made that. He made three albums, two group albums before he was even 20. Like one of my,

he was 15 years old, rapping would grow men, not as a kid. He just happened to be a kid. Yes, exactly. One of my favorite verses, one of my favorite songs from Luke Weasie is Millionaire Dream on Big Timers, how you love that. And he's floating all over that motherfucker. The chorus that he's provided is incredible.

The first time we hear him say Blang on record, I believe, too. And he's rapping about how he's only 15 in that verse. It is just an incredible performance. Right? Yeah, because his parents ain't want that. But, but, yeah, I think that... Hold on, right fast. Let's just take a moment. it's okay to hand your kids over to baby and slim. Just don't have them out here cussing.

Hey, New Orleans is a different world, bro. I feel like it's an extremely different place. Yeah. Yeah, and I don't know, the dynamic that the little Wayne and baby had, it was an interesting one to say to the least. But I think something, but hold on, I think something else that this Wayne album deals with, and I'm curious what you think about this,

when rappers drop, no matter how old they are, we expect heat, heat, I tell you. Like, Rolling Stones put out mixed emotions in 1989. People are not expecting that to be exile on Main Street. Right? It's like, oh, Stones put out another album. That's cool. Oh, there'll be a tour.

That'll be cool, too. No, we are expecting, if you choose to rap, we expect you to be as dope as you ever were. Yeah. And the thing is, Wayne has shown some glimmers. like he's done some incredible work with West Side Gunn. He had a song with Corday this year where he killed it. It's, I feel like it's still there.

Like, you know, LeBron had that whole quote about how he's age as a basketball player where he's like, you know, I can't get there every night, but I can get there when I need to. And it feels like Little Wayne kind of still had that. And this was why probably like a lot of us tapped into Carter Six. And it was terrible. Carter Six is horrible. Like there's a track on there produced by Lynn Manwell Miranda.

I saw that. I saw that. And I'm like, homie, come on, man. Like, I heard the joint he did the BATY awards all Monday night, the welcome to the Carter joint. That one was all right. But then he came behind that with a milly, because he knew he had no other song that he should be doing.

Now, I would make this suggestion to any, and look, Little Wayne's a middle-aged rapper at this point. He's just not very tall. I would suggest to any middle-aged rapper that the way to do it at this point, well, number one is not with 19 tracks. I would advise against that. But one producer, man, do like LLD with Q-Tip. That was a really, really, really good regger.

Go hold up with one dude. It ain't got to be a dude your age. Like Nause with Hit Boy has been a great example, right? Go work with one person, get you something that's continuous or whatever. But this is working with a million different producers. That's young hot dude shit. And you're not the young hot dude no more. Yeah.

The clips are locking in with Farrell for 13 tracks. and that Ace Trump single is some of the best work we've heard from them, bro. Like, are you a fan of the clips? I feel like I've never really kind of heard your take on it. On another day, we'll talk about how you guys can have that. I just, I understand why someone would love them, right? Especially if I was from a state that ain't really got no cities or no sports teams or that many rappers to discuss, oh, my bad.

Yeah, I'm about saying, man, man. me, no. Like, those dudes are gods to me. You see like, I know, that's what I'm saying. Boy Club hat right here. They're y'all's UGK. Right. Like it's a very, not that UGK is the only rappers for the area, but it's a very particular sort of thing when you had that group that fills that role. But my thing with UGK is, you can go album to album and they take all different personalities and different things that they're talking about, right? Now, you can be like, well, what's the difference we're talking about selling dope and pimping? A lot of difference. actually. And they, you know, they navigated through that. The clip's particular brand to cocaine

rap does not do it for me. They are talented, but it's not. The thing I will give them, though, that I appreciate more than I didn't when I was younger was the role that Malice, no Malice plays as the one who has a conscience, right? Like there's an emotional resonance to his presence. That's very similar to the Pempsie. Pempsie has guilt. Pempsi has regret. Pempsi roos things. That was his criticism of Gizi. Is it Gizi? he didn't rue anything about this. And the clips give you that. But yeah, I see that they bring you guys so much joy

and I would never be the one to interfere. Listen, bro, I am, we are on the opposite ends of the spectrum about this. Like, even if I wasn't a VA dude, I think I would still be a huge clips fan. I think they are just so good at rapping, bro. And that, they are so good at rap. Like, hell hath no fury, I think that's, there's times I listen to that. And I think this might be the best rap. I'm on the 2000s, bro.

Like, they are that good in my eyes. I'll say the other part too. Nah, I don't feel like talking about this part right now. No, no, no, no, no, no. You already said, your state ain't shit. You ain't got nothing to do besides listen to the clips. You're right, you're right. You're right. I did. I don't love Farrell as much as everybody else does.

I don't, and I mean that in the sense that that's not, Farrell is whack. That's not for real, don't have dope shit. Right? but the era of Farrell, like when the Neptunes were the super heat, I liked my sound a lot more analog than what they were doing. Does that make sense? Like that was my thing with them.

Yeah, I was going to say if you've got a grab against Farrell Neptunes, you probably hated how futuristic it sounds when everyone probably loves how futuristic it sounded. Yeah, yeah, it just wasn't, it wasn't bad, right? But it just wasn't. Like even I go back now and I listen to some of the stuff that was the heat from the Neptunes back then. Like to me, as an example, Super Thug did. really aged well. Like when I go back and listen to that, and I like that when he came out, but I'm like, yeah, no, this ain't, it's just not for me, right? But I understand what it is to other

people. Now, Farrell, as the years have gone on, has done a lot of stuff that I'm like, oh, man, like, Farrell did all right for Kendry. That is not something that you would have told me in 2003 was on the car. Yeah. Like, Farrell tells a hilarious story about how when Michael Jackson reached out to him, he wanted him to executive produce his album. And he sent, and Farrell sent him the pack that would turn into Justin Timberlake's justified. And he said, Michael Jackson came back to him and said, this isn't what I wanted. I wanted some Super Thug sounding beats. Yes.

Michael Jackson on Super Thug production is just something that melts my mind. I can't even imagine that, bro. Number one, I think I would rather the Super Thug version than the justified Justin Timberlake version. I felt like we was been a little loose with the invites to the barbecue when it came to that space. But I think what I truly think happened with Mike, though, was with bad, which is a very, very, very, very good album. It had all kinds of hits or everything else. But Mike should have moved off from Quincy after Thriller. But why would you do that? It was after Thriller. And for the first time, he was a little bit behind the sounds of what was hip. Like he went to Teddy Riley for

dangerous. That is an attempt to make the sound a little bit hipper. And I think that Mike had decided. Because Mike, we got to remember, Mike at the end of the 90s is in his early 40s. So he's not really old. He's like, yo, man, give me what's hot in these streets right now. That's where I'm trying to get back to. Yeah, he went to Teddy Raleigh for the new Jack Swing in like in 91 when Guy dropped their self-todded in 87. Like he was for sure behind the curve. But I mean, I think it worked like there's times I feel like remember the times might be the best radio single MJ gave us, even though it's for sure three or four years behind the curve. But yeah, yeah, for sure someone who was. Danger's guy.

It did. Danger's got who is it? Danger's got in the closet. Danger's got remembered in time. They just got a few more. Like, dangerous is, dangerous is, I think this happens with these records. A lot of those mid-90s prints records are like this too, that when you listen to them separated from what the error was,

they sound better because you're no longer thinking about them in comparison to what else is out. You know, like, I think it gets there. But yeah, Mike be like, no, I want some of that gangster shit. And by the way, that means that Mike, when he asked for it, was not using the mic voice that we were using. He used the real mic voice, some of that. Gangs of shit.

I'm from Gary. Yeah, that Gary and the other shit. That Freddie Gibbs shit. Yeah, like, come on, Cood. Did I say Cuck? Come on, Cuck. You've seen that theory. Yeah, I saw someone tell a story where he was talking to some record execs on the

Howe voice and then they like, he was like, I'm glad these motherfuckers are gone. Like a Barry White voice or some shit. Yes. Yes. Bad. Tyler, aka Dragonfly Jones. Check out Jenkins and Jones on Patreon. My brother, I appreciate you.

I appreciate you, man. always a good time when we chop it up, dog. Yeah, we got a nice little range on this one. Like, we, uh, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we hit some spots. I feel like, I feel like, I feel like this is some good podcast. Yeah, good two-man weave going on right here. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

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