The Right Time with Bomani Jones - NFL Week 7 reaction, Billy Napier fired by Florida, Shoeni Ohtani vs. Barry Bonds | 10.20
Episode Date: October 20, 2025Bomani Jones starts the show by reacting to a crazy week 7 of NFL action, highlights by an insane game between the New York Giants & the Denver Broncos. Later, he discusses Florida's decision to fire... Billy Napier and what it could mean for college football as a whole. Finally, he reacts to Shoeni Ohtani's insane game 4 of the NLCS, Anthony Edwards' award show, & listens to a few listener voicemails. 00:45 - Week 7 NFL reaction 20:30 - Bill Napier gets Fired 41:10 - Shoeni Ohtani vs. Barry Bonds Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original.
My name is Beaumani Jones.
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As I think you can see, we are out here playing a road game this week.
This is our first actual right-time road game, but we're playing it.
It's all good.
I'm in this hotel, right?
trying to get ready for this show.
And again, the NFL
be stepping on this dope, right?
And since they step it on the dope, the dope don't hit
like it used to. All I'm saying
is once you got bye weeks, you got
London games, and you got Thursday games,
and you got this Monday night doubleheader
that I swear nobody
asked for. You know what I'm saying?
Like, sometimes we'd be looking at the slate.
Like, I don't really know
exactly how we're going to make this work, right?
But we're going to do that because we love you,
okay? So, what did the Jaguar?
got the asses kick first thing in the morning.
They got tally hoed to fuck up out of London.
You know, I don't even know if it was in London.
I just know if they wasn't in London,
they might be in there right now the way they got their asses kicked,
but I guess London like the other home.
By the way, Ryan, is there any two homes
that could be more divergent than London and Jacksonville?
Can you think of any two places to have less in common?
It depends on the part of London.
That's the interesting thing.
You know, like the Alabama or England meme.
Like, you know, some parts of England are Jacksonville.
That's, you know, we have a lot.
more in common that way.
But I would love to send somebody from London to Jacksonville.
Just tell them they're going to Florida because they think it's like Miami Vights.
Miami Vice or Disney World, which Jacksonville is neither.
Yes.
And I know this because I used to think this.
And everybody who's not from Florida has thought this at one point in time.
And then you wind up going to some Florida that is not Orlando and that is not Miami.
And you realize I'm in Georgia.
Correct.
You're in very South Georgia.
Yes, Georgia.
Right, let me tell you, you crossed that line
from South Florida to South Georgia to North Florida
as my brother says, South Georgia, North Florida,
what's the difference?
Great question.
I do not have an answer for it.
You can cross that line, and if you don't see it,
you won't know until you see an L-Cipo gas
and that lets you know that you have made it to Florida.
That L-Cipo be there.
But anyway, shout out to you.
Actually, I don't know who exactly I should send a shout-out to.
I don't know if the shout-out goes to the Denver Broncos
or if the shout out goes to the New York Giants.
But together, you guys strong-armed your way
onto the top of this program
with an inexplicable fourth quarter, right?
So I was in here, I was watching the Cowboys
and the Commandos play,
and I'm texting with Ryan about how it's actually kind of surprising
how little we've talked about the Cowboys this year.
Right?
Like they traded Michael Parsons and then C.D. Lamb got hurt,
and the Cowboys felt like they had become,
irrelevant in a way that seems impossible for being the Cowboys.
And the one game that we really paid attention to them playing,
it was a tie.
Now, of course, you know, the Make-A-Wish Foundation,
that's how they was getting into it.
But they, hey, man, don't tell nobody,
but I might be falling for what they got going.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm like, Jack Prescott looking good.
But anyway, I'm watching that game.
I'm like, cool, I'm going to figure out how it is.
I'm gonna turn that into the show, right?
Like, it's kind of like, I don't know what trick your mama uses to, like,
when the Kool-Aid ain't got enough oof to, like, bring it a little bit farther,
put a little orange juice in it or whatever, but, you know,
when you got to prop that dope up a little bit, right?
Okay, cool.
So, I had checked the score on the Giants and the Broncos,
and the Giants was tapping that ass,
and I turned it on on a computer, and I see it,
and the Giants are doing that.
And I'm gonna be honest with you,
the Giants achieving success under the current set of conditions has the potential to be very,
very, very, very annoying.
And you know why it has potential to get very, very, very annoying.
Because out of nowhere, they went from having a black quarterback.
And Scatterboy has started all year, has he?
because I feel like he just became the starter later.
But anyway, I can't explain to you.
Honestly, I can't explain it to you.
Because I was going to say,
I can't explain to you how excited white people in New York are
about having Joe Thaisman and John Riggins, right?
Having themselves a little dynamic duo.
You know what I'm saying?
A little third base situation, right?
Two Beastie boys.
They're going to fuck around and get one of them McConkey or the McCaffrey's.
That's the one I'm thinking about.
They're going to get one of those, and they're going to be like, boom, you know.
I suddenly forgot the words to Paul Revere.
Anyway, it's getting tough to deal with.
Like, I got to be honest with you.
It's getting a little bit over the top.
And they was beating the Broncos, right?
And I was like, oh, wow, I guess this game's over.
And I was texting Shannon about it.
I was like, damn, you know, Shannon the Giants fan.
He'd been long suffering by the long as I've known him.
And I was like, damn, dog, you got you a white buddy cop movie over there.
He sent me a funny jiff with Jonah Hill in it.
You know, like, we was just making jokes.
Then I looked up.
And it was like a one-score game.
And I sent Shannon a text that said, wait, this game is close.
And if he ever replies to that text, I will let you know.
Because as of right now, it hasn't happened.
I then, I'm just totally lost by all of this.
I hadn't been paying like close attention to everything.
So I mess around and I go look in the box score.
And when I look at the box score, this is after the Broncos have taken the lead.
I look in the box score.
they've scored 30 points in the fourth quarter.
I'm looking at the rest of the box score.
Bo Nix is playing like cheeks.
I don't understand how this was possible.
Then the Giants get the ball back.
Jackson Dart also looking like cheeks
as he's trying to make it happen.
I'm like, oh, baby, this is cool.
Everything's going to be fine.
Next thing I know, it's a.
past that looked like it came up this short of the first down,
Marker, but it don't even matter because then it was a rough-in-the-passer penalty.
The Giants go down there.
They score a touchdown.
They got a two-point lead.
Just got to kick the extra point.
And I ain't even see that.
I phoned the computer shut because I was starving.
I told Ryan what time we was going to record.
And I'm like, hey, man, I got to go get this food.
They let the Broncos run out the clock without me.
by the time I get downstairs to eat my food,
the Broncos have won because the Giants have missed the extra point.
I ain't even watched the extra point.
The Giants missed the extra point.
Oh, and there was a pass interference penalty against my guy,
Roddy Moss.
Put a pen in that point.
I don't understand how any of this happened.
I don't know how a team with Bowdo Nix as a quarterback is capable of scoring 33 points in a quarter.
I don't see exactly how the Giants managed to lose that game.
I don't understand any of it.
But I have to ask you this, Ryan,
because maybe you saw it, you live in New York,
you know, you might have seen it.
Did Brian DeBo break anything, like visibly?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, he was, yeah, you could see the, uh, the raid,
you know, he's like a cartoon character where you see the smoke coming out of his ears.
Yes.
And he's that level of bald where his face gets red.
Yes.
You know, like he is, he's held on to his job every week, right?
And he has just,
and he has decided that the person that he's entrusted to keep his job is Jackson Dart.
Well, for what it's worth, I think Russell Wilson decided that the person that was going to help
keep his job with Jackson Dart.
I finally saw that clip of him running into the blue tent trying to figure out if Jackson Dart was okay last week.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Could you be a little less concussed so I don't have to watch Russell Wilson play football anymore?
Hey, hey, hey, hey, he's all right.
He's all right.
How many things are we hold up?
Cool, let's go.
Right?
I could not believe any of that happened.
Now, there was a past interference on Riley Moss.
I just brought that up that that happened.
And like, look, I've been talking about this,
and this is the truth, and it's a weird thing, right?
In my experience, our Caucasian brothers and sisters
don't necessarily know how to act
when one of their own turns up in a place
where they don't expect them to be.
You understand what I'm saying?
But in certain places when it happens,
it's real, like, tangible excitement.
So Jackson Dart, where he's supposed to be at quarterback, of course.
Wearing that chain, that's not where that chain is supposed to be.
But once again, our Caucasian brothers and sisters are a little bit weird.
When the white man got on the chain, they feel like it looked a little classy.
It's kind of like when the Braves won that World Series and Jack Peterson had his big old chain, but it was pearls.
Suddenly his was cooler than everybody else, right?
You get it.
It's kind of like Macklemore.
Anyway, they like Jack.
and dark. But then Scataboo, Scataboo, not supposed to be playing running back no more.
I don't understand why our Caucasian brothers and sisters have not wrapped their arms around Will Shippley of the Philadelphia Eagles.
But Scataboo is they type. But the other reason to be fair to Scataboo is he got a running back type of game that everybody likes.
I was telling you about that last week. People like dope running backs. He's there, right?
Like he, he ain't no John Riggins, but they're going to say he is. You feel me?
like that's going to go down, but whatever.
They all real excited about him.
But on the other side is our man, Riley Moss,
and I find that when there is, generally speaking,
a Caucasian brother playing quarterback,
white people treat him like they treat white basketball players,
which is to say with startling levels of skepticism.
You feel me?
Like the self-hate seems to come out a little bit.
The crab and a barrel phenomenon,
I tend to come up. And that's how I felt when they called that past interference on Riley
Moss. I was like, come on, man. It's just profiling. I didn't think that was no penalty.
Y'all just don't believe that man was capable of playing defense. That's all it is. That's all it is.
You'll lie to yourself about Jackson Dart. You'll lie to yourself about Scatterboot. You got
Riley Moss out here and you're telling him that he got to be twice as good. How'd that work?
Ain't nobody got no harder job in the NFL than Riley Moss does. On one side of him is probably
the best corner in the league. And we always talk about that corner that gets picked on. Now imagine that
corner that gets picked on is a white dude from Iowa. I don't even know if he's from Iowa,
but he went to Iowa, and I feel like you got to be from Iowa decide you're going to do that.
Anyway, they just over there picking on that man. I'd be rooting for him, right? I don't know why it is
the homie Coop. Coop get a lot more attention than Riley Moss. Riley Moss, his OG. Riley
Moss did it first. Don't nobody, nobody really talk about it. Me and Dominique was the only ones
that's out here. And you know why? Because we're about freedom and equality. You know what I'm saying?
right y'all out here treating scatterboot like a pioneer they treating riley moss like he's DEI
and not like DEI used to be like right now where you can go to jail for that shit that's all i'm saying
it's all i'm asking it's all i'm trying to figure out by the way for you watching on youtube i'm doing this
in a hotel therefore i got to keep the laptop to the left so if it looks like i'm looking i'm not paying
attention i'm locked in baby i'm just trying to give you the show as i ordinarily do it we play the game
a little bit different but yeah that game was wild never dawes never done
on me that when I woke up this morning, I would spend 10 minutes talk about the New York
Giants and the Denver Broncos. Never dawned on me. What we was thinking we was going to talk
about is I felt like this Sunday was a raucous Sunday for starting quarterbacks not to be
confused with franchise quarterbacks. Think about this for a second. I feel like the two top
candidates right now for MVP are Baker Mayfield and Dag Prescott. Two starting quarterbacks.
right i don't know how much you saw it at dallas game but dac was dealing jack when he when he looks good
and he's had moments like this through the last five years where he's you know i mean
where he's throwing the ball over the field and i forgot that cd lamb was back until he hit him for
that giant touchdown that was that was the moment i realized it too like that's the best pass i've
ever seen dack throw on that on that square in yeah i mean he made them dudes right into each other
I mean, he's big.
He steps up to the pocket.
I mean, and he's hitting CD-Lam.
He's throwing the ball all over the yard.
I put these stats in for a ball goal heading last four games.
11% completing 71% of his pass is over 1,000 yards, 14 touchdowns, no picks.
Hey, man.
And that CD-Lam, George Pickens, combination is in a similar weight class with the Jamar Chase T. Higgins.
because Pickens looks incredible.
And Pickett certainly looks incredible
and he's your number two.
Yes, but also let us not forget.
We've not seen NFL George Pickens
with a real live quarterback.
And all of a sudden, he starts behaving.
Who knew?
Like, I hate to use that word, right?
Yeah.
Except he does such childish things
when he's not on the straight narrow.
That word sounds even,
I want to say that word,
I feel worse saying it coming from me, obviously.
Yes.
But like, you know.
Produces, they're producing slim shade.
He needs to be careful.
It makes you the reference.
Those are the words.
But I feel like there's about a list of five people I can get away with that.
I think George Pickens is one of them.
I think it's fair.
But no, they look, if they can play the littlest bit of defense,
because now the Cowboys fans are talking about this like,
if they can get Max Crosby and trade, do you do it?
Now, I will just make this point that if you made the Michael Parsons trade
just so you could get Max Crosby, that's hustling back.
Yes.
That's not the way to do this.
But they got to get some heat
because the Bank of Wish Foundation,
if you don't get no pressure,
it's just going to continue
to be a charitable contribution.
Right.
But they can put some points up.
By the way,
this is one week removed
for Rico Dowdell
making his Hall of Fame case
against them last week.
They lost like what 30 to 30 to 3 or something ridiculous like that?
I think they were close game,
but I think Rico Doudal might have had 200 yards.
You're right.
You're right.
It was a closed game, but Rico Donald might, like, you know, someone who, who, who used to play for the Cowboys.
It was the Rico Donald revenge game.
That's right.
The Panthers did that to the Falcons because of course.
Right, right, right, right.
But what made it worse was Rico Dattle told him to buckle up and they still ran for like 200-something yards on the- Exactly.
They were like, yes, we're buckling up to make your dreams come true.
That's all they could do.
But, man, if they could play a little bit of defense, they're going to be something.
Speaking of starting quarterbacks, every time we say to ourselves,
it's Indianapolis Colts thing.
Like, come on, what are we really talking about here?
For whatever reason, the charges dressed up like mustard bottles and went out there
and got their teeth kicked in.
Teeth kicked in.
Now, I think that we are all in a place where we're still trying to figure out exactly
how good the Cardinals are.
I mean, not the Cardinals, the Charges, how good the charges are.
but we all generally believe that they were good, right?
Or at least okay.
They are four and three,
but I still feel like we largely believe
that they're a pretty good team.
Or like a team that I think is going to make the playoffs.
There was no question who the better team was in this game.
None.
Like, is this real?
Is this happening?
Is this, like, this is the thing?
This is a wild situation to watch
where, again,
Daniel Jones starting quarterback.
How much money is he going to make next year?
He's on a 14-year prove-it deal.
How much money is it going to cost the cults to keep him
because they have to keep him because what they can't do
is go back to Anthony Richardson.
Yeah, I mean, it, like, you're going to look at, like,
what Sam Darnold got, what Baker got a couple of years ago.
Yeah.
But, I mean, he comes out here.
I mean, he's throwing for over eight and a half yards in a tip,
and I think you put up a 113 rating in this game.
He's making throws.
It is not the dink and duck offense out there.
I mean, Chen Shik clearly has a way of getting things out of slightly limited quarterbacks.
But I'm going to warn you guys, okay?
And I think that this is an important warning.
You tell me if I'm wrong here.
Do you remember the 2015 season of Ryan Fitzpatrick with the Jets,
the Fitzmajointed season where somebody broke Gino face in training camp?
And then Fitzpatrick got the job and then threw the season away
with five or six interceptions in the last week of the year.
And then he was the starter next year.
And he wound up getting Bench for Gino,
who in classic Gino Smith luck went out there towards ACL in the game
that was played right after.
But the return to Earth happened.
I'll give you another example.
I don't even know if you remember this one in 2008.
You remember when Vince Young went for that drive
and didn't tell nobody and everybody freaked out?
Yep.
And he lost his job to Carrie Collins.
And I want to say they went 13 and 3 that year.
They walked.
And then the next year,
Carrie Collins went back to being Carrie Collins
and they had to get that job back to Vince Young
for a little while.
I mean, remember the last two weeks of Sam Darno
last year?
Yes.
Like, I mean, it was like,
Sam Darno was playing for the one seed
and then plays the two worst games in seasons back to back
and they have to ship them off for Seattle
for a quarterback who played it,
maybe what, a half a game, two games this year?
Right, right.
But I'm saying there is a world in which
Anthony Richardson gets this job back from Daniel Jones.
It ain't happened in no time soon.
No.
Just to be clear.
But there's a world where they wind up.
Put them back in.
No, no, no, no.
Put them back in.
Just put them back in.
But no, that's kind of what we go.
Also, by the way, great game from Jalen Hertz this week.
Like, all of us have talked a lot about how Brian Flores and he'd be confounding people.
The Eagles made what I thought were a couple of dumb calls at the end.
One was that second down where they're trying to ice the clock.
And Flores called a zero.
Blitz. And so Hurts threw a bad pass because the heat was coming. And it stopped the clock with
like a minute 40 left. The Vikings had only used one of their timeouts. It looked like they were
going to get the ball back. Flores did something not that bright and called another zero blitz.
And this time, the Eagles were ready for it. And they threw it down the field and nailed it to ice
that game. Like Jalen Hertz got it done in that one. Both receivers had 100 yards. Everybody's going
to be happy. A.J. Brown ain't reading books. You know what I'm saying? They got it done. I
got to make sure some of y'all think that I'd be hating.
Man, I was doing some wedding activities, right?
And so this wedding I was supposed to go to, it's a Sunday wedding,
and I was not able to make it to Sunday because I had to do this podcast or whatever.
So I'm kicking it at the wedding.
This stuff and this cat, he'd come up to me.
Eagles fan.
You know, this happens when I go to weddings, man.
They know who you are, you know, you're a sports guy.
So, you know, they get their chances.
So a man's talking to me, real cool cat, but he keeps talking me about the Eagles.
Keep talking me about the Eagles.
And he's like, we're going to beat the Vikings.
We go beat the Vikings.
We go beat the Vikings.
I'm like, all right, man, you're going to do that.
My man going to play, all right, you know, you're going to do that.
That's okay.
He's like, all right, I bet you $20 that the Eagles are going to win.
He's like, and we go, we're going to collect on it at the wedding.
I said, cool, $20.
Dapped him up.
He's what he ain't realized.
And I sent it to somebody to show it to him.
I was the Magic Johnson meme about that wedding.
I was, I'm not going to beat her.
And I wasn't.
The New World Order of College Football,
because of, you know, transfer of portal stuff, a bunch of other things.
Anyway, you got to fire coaches a lot sooner than you used to.
You used to be able to wait until the season, end of the season.
No, you got to do that stuff in the middle of the year.
To the point where even if you ain't been fired yet, we know what's going to happen.
Billy Napier, thank you for your service.
They went ahead and let him go on Monday.
After a win, by the way, that's a new thing that happens.
They don't even necessarily wait until you do something in defense.
Is that the reverse crumb if you beat Mississippi State and get fired?
Well, isn't that what happened to Jimbo?
I believe, if I'm not mistaken, Jimbo what it came against Mississippi State.
And then they were like, how'd you like $70 million?
I'd love $70 million.
And I get to leave college station.
I wish a motherfucker would alpha be $70 million to leave college station.
I do a lot more for a lot less.
Oh my God, it's the greatest.
I'd give you $70 million to leave college station.
What are you talking about?
So anyway, the fire building Napier, Florida State lost to, was it Stanford?
They lost to Stanford.
You know that man is getting fired.
Like, time is up for him.
All these jobs are open.
UCLA is open.
And by the way, I have made the point that maybe nepotism had gone well
because they made Rick New Hazel's son, the offensive coordinator,
the offense went to got together.
I realized I never found out who they interim coach was.
And everywhere I go, they keep showing the New Hazel kid.
And now I know why I didn't know who they interim coach was because he's black.
And I turned this whole goddamn thing around.
And not one person is like, boy, you might want to give that Tim Skipper guy a head job.
Maybe it's because you didn't know his name was Tim Skipper.
Because I didn't know his name was Tim Skipper.
I saw the dude's last name was Skipper.
I was like, damn, like my old boss?
I don't think so, at least.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, whoa, whoa, what's going on here?
But anyway, that job's going to be open.
They go fire that coach at Wisconsin, I'm certain.
At some point,
who else do we know is going to lose?
Auburn is looking real dice.
He's going to lose his job.
Bill Belichick's going to lose his job.
Yes, yes.
Lincoln Riley might lose his job.
It's on the board.
Brian Kelly might lose his job.
Oh, yeah.
I forgot you guys lost the Vanderbilt.
and you watched the game, I did not.
And I was in New Orleans, and I did not watch the game
because I didn't want to be around any invested parties
at worst case scenario went down.
They, you made the right call.
You told me, they lost.
Like, this is not a fluke.
They lost.
They were outclassed.
That game could have easily been three scores.
Wow.
It's bad.
Yeah.
Yeah, now, the Brian Kelly, like these big,
these moves like what happened with James Franklin,
it accelerates it for everybody else.
Like the competition,
of James Franklin getting fired and Indiana still kicking people's teeth in.
Like last year felt fluky.
This year looked like they got a team.
And they just gave their coach $90 million.
Right.
And see,
and that combination of two things has really,
it makes for a really strange world where Penn State shows what it is that you do
when you're serious about football or when you just decide you don't like how
this has been feeling for a while.
Okay, cool.
You go ahead and you make that move.
Auburn is in the midst of a four-game losing streak.
This is Hugh Freeze's third year.
They've had a four-game losing streak each season he's been there,
and, per the great research of Spencer Hall,
a four-game losing streak the year before that, too.
Okay?
You can't keep your job at Auburn with three straight losing seasons,
which is what it looks like Hugh Freeze is going to have.
Okay?
You can't keep hitting the ball in two to rough,
whole after hole after hole
and think you're going to keep that job.
That's not going to happen.
They're going to get him out of there.
Okay?
So we're talking about really good jobs.
And I still think that Florida largely counts
is a really good job.
Penn State is a really good job.
Florida State, not quite as good,
but in a similar class.
Auburn, I contend, is a very good job.
LSU, high ceiling, low floor kind of situation,
but it's there. USC if it comes open,
that one can be a really good job.
I don't think Penn State is actually open.
I think Matt Rule is almost guaranteed
to get the Penn State job,
but then Nebraska comes open,
which is a weird job.
And I'd hate to take that Nebraska job.
What's Kurt Signetti showed proof of concept
of what can be done at Indiana,
which means at Nebraska,
they are looking at you like,
why can't we be Indiana?
This is happening all over the board.
This is what I want to bring up about that
and like all of this.
We talked, I guess it was last week, maybe the week before, about the report that the Big Ten was considering taking a infusion of cash from private equity.
And you guys know how I feel about private equity.
And I raised the question, which I think is always the right question, which is, what is private equity ever made better?
All right.
But I realized I was looking at this the wrong way.
And I didn't realize I was looking at it the wrong way until I saw a tweet from Cody Campbell.
And if you guys don't know who Cody Campbell is,
he's a fairly interesting figure in modern college football.
Cody Campbell, I believe, is the chairman of the board of trustees at Texas Tech.
I think he was a Texas Tech football player.
Don't quote me on that, but I think he was.
Anyway, Cody Campbell is a billionaire.
And if you have wondered why it is that Texas Tech seems to be better than they used to be,
is because Cody Campbell out here spending that money, all right?
So anyway, Campbell sends this tweet, and he says,
basically this private equity deal is terrible.
I think he may have used the term payday loan,
but if he did know, the people have used the term payday loan.
He's just saying that this is an infusion of cash that they need
and that everybody needs this cash.
But the big reason they need the cash is the day was always going to come
where you were going to have to pay the players,
not just this NIL force that we have right now.
Schools were going to have to reach into their own pockets to pay the players.
That everybody knew this day was coming.
and they never really plan for it.
And that is right in line with everything we know about college football.
They knew that NIL someday was coming, all of this.
And then when it was coming, everybody was in chaos.
Nobody knows what to do, right?
Because they just, this reality has been staring them in the face for God knows how long,
and they never got out there and they were never prepared to do anything about it.
And so his thing is now because you haven't, not because you haven't prepared,
now you're going to need a payday loan, right?
Now what you're going to do?
it's a terrible deal and you shouldn't take it. That's his outlook. But it was the thought,
what hadn't dawned on me was that I was looking at this when I talked about it two weeks ago,
as though the Big Ten was being greedy. You're making all this money from CBS. You're making all this money
in all these different ways. And you still want to take more cash. It's worth noting the two schools
that seem to be pushing back the hardest on this payday loan are the ones that got the
most money, Ohio State and Michigan.
They're the ones that are like, this is a bad idea because the Big Ten wants to do this
unanimously.
They're like, nah, this isn't it.
This isn't the mood to make.
But what I realized after reading with Campbell had to say and thinking about this a little
bit more and why I brought up all this movement with the coaches before, it feels like
like mutually assured destruction is on the way.
Now, I don't want to guarantee that that's what's happening, but it feels like it.
And so this is the context I want to give and just to got to give everybody, you know,
something to think about it.
If you listen to the show, you know, I am a pig and slop when it comes to talking about
these things.
You know this about me.
Okay.
What people have to remember is that college football programs are revenue max,
or just college sports in general is probably a better way to put it.
They are revenue maximizing operations, which is not to be confused with a profit maximizing
organization.
because a profit-maximizing organization is trying to figure out how to keep these costs down.
A really good college football program is looking for ways to spend money.
Like when people talk about what are, not even people, I'm going too far there.
What I have been told makes Alabama a great job if you're somebody like Nick Saban.
It's very simple.
If Nick Saban says, we need this.
because it's going to make football better,
then that money's going to be spent,
and they're going to make the football better, right?
Nick Saban comes in as like, look,
we need a $35,000 air conditioning in the weight room
because the boys get hot.
It'll be a $35,000 air conditioning in there.
Let me stop lying.
That's probably exactly what it costs,
if that one at my house costs $15,000.
You understand what I'm saying, though.
You can come up with exorbitant numbers,
and if Nick Saban could convince them,
and I guess Canada are born out too,
then it would make the football team better.
it was going to be spent. That's the kind of arms race that this is because there are no shareholders.
There are no dividends to pay out. Get the money, spend the money, win. And if you're winning,
you can't be known in the streets as a program that doesn't spend money to keep up with the winning.
And so what has happened is all these different things that stacked up. And with these schools in the Big Ten,
my guy Pat 40 at SI had written something about this. Like a big thing that's happened is all
these stadium expansions, the long-term debt from that, those bills are coming due.
All this money that people have kept spending because the game is to spend the money once
you get it. Now all these bills are coming due and now you've got to pay to players, right?
College athletic programs need to chill out on spending all that money.
But they can only chill out on spending all that money if every,
Everybody decides to chill out on spending all that money.
That's the only way, all right?
Indiana just said they're willing to spend $11 million to pay a head coach,
Indiana football.
So what's Penn State got to pay their coach if they want to show it a series?
Keeping in mind, they're going to have to pay some share of the $50 million to James Franklin.
Right.
Right.
And to keep in mind that ever, all these these jobs and all these openings are represented by primarily two agents.
Jimmy Sexton.
And Trace Armstrong.
Oh, Trace.
I forgot about my old buddy Trace.
Yes.
So like, so you were not only like if you think, $11 million is not the ceiling.
It's the floor.
Right.
For these new extensions.
Right.
Look, Florida's going to have to cut Billy Napier a $20 million, like a $10 million dollar check like very soon.
and then another $10 million after that.
And then look, they're going to,
I don't know if they're going to hire Lane Kiffin,
but that's the plan.
Like, that is, that is a spiritual.
That's certainly what's on top of their board.
I mean, Florida State's talking about,
on three reported today,
they're going to be,
if they got rid of Norville and his staff,
it's $100 million.
And they don't really have any money.
Like, the whole thing with Florida State always
is that they don't have any money.
I'm sure they had to pay Willie money
when they got Willie out of there
to bring Dorville.
But it's the spending, the spending, the spending.
And then the impatience about keeping your coach.
You got to realize this.
And I think those of you who are young will not know what day.
There used to be a time where people could keep a job at a major university for 10 years
and never have a winning record.
Like, I mean, obviously you couldn't do that at Alabama.
But you could do that at one of those mid to lower tier schools.
Like there was a realistic understanding that, hey, man, sometimes it's just going to be like
that.
We know who we are.
Nobody's playing that game anymore.
Therefore, nobody can slow down.
the spending. Nobody can stop it. It's only going to get bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.
And I think that this actually becomes exacerbated by the playoff because there are more spaces for
people to play for. Therefore, more benchmarks for people to reach. Therefore, more reasons for people
to think that they should be better. It's one thing, like, I always talk about this. When Wake 4 has won the
ACC in 2006. I feel like half the coaches in the conference were fired within two years.
Because once the smallest school in the conference can do it, then nobody else has any excuse.
You see what I'm saying? But that's because Wake Forest went to the Orange Bowl.
Indiana goes to the playoff last year as one of the 16 top schools.
It doesn't matter that they got their teeth kicked in and saying, well, how come we can't do that?
You know, SMU gets to the playoff. Well, hey, man, how can we can't do that?
So more and more people saying that thing. And when they say that, they're like, well, we got to do more.
And the way to do more is always spending a lot more money.
That's always what it is.
And now the conference that seems to be printing money, right?
If I'm not mistaken, they got more out of their deal than the SEC got out of their deal with ABC ESPN.
That is the one thing where I like understand where these Cody Campbell's and these private equity types are dealing with.
The networks are taking these conferences for a ride and negotiate.
every year.
Like they're getting, like the bit, like,
we went through probably 20 years
where the SEC on CBS was the biggest,
um,
deal on broadcast TV.
Right.
And we're probably going to have the exact same thing with,
you know,
the SEC on ABC this next 10 years.
Yeah.
But they're all still making boatloads of money.
Correct.
Correct.
Obviously,
still making money hand over fist.
Yeah.
And it ain't enough.
And it's,
and by the way,
I understand why it's not enough.
Like,
once you get the systemic factors
and put all that stuff together.
I'm not judging them so much for the fact that it's not enough.
I'm telling you it's never going to stop.
But if it doesn't stop, this is going to fall apart.
This is unsustainable, the rate in which all of these things are happening.
It can only go up so much more, right?
Not everybody's supposed to fire their coach every three years.
Not everybody's supposed to have these sorts of expectations.
Again, I don't know, like I was talking to an Uber driver today,
who was talking about like the pressure on parents for what you provide for your kids that
allow them that is created by Instagram because now everybody can see what everybody else has.
Right.
And cable streaming, everything else, whatever, but everything is so interconnected in a way that
everybody sees what everybody else has and that makes people more envious and that makes people more jealous
and that makes people want, again, if idiotic can do it, why can't we?
All this stuff gets ramped up.
But I'm just telling you, just watch.
Because if the Big Ten ever does eventually take that private equity deal, and I think they will, maybe not today, but another day they will.
When they do, the clock is ticking on them because private equity has never made anything better.
And if the Big Ten can't figure out how to do this without borrowing money, what is anybody else going to do?
I tell you what they're not going to do.
They're not going to stop spending money.
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Over the weekend, Dodgers qualified for their second World Series in a row.
Shohoa Otani, struck out 10, hit three home runs,
send Dodgers to the World Series.
Bo, what was your thoughts?
Okay, so Friday night, I'm walking down Frenchman Street with my man Justin Tensley, and he reads off what you just told me.
And he was like, I'm a Barry Bonds guy like you're a Bury Bonds guy, but is this the best baseball player we've ever seen?
Okay.
I wake up the next morning, my good buddy Charlie Kravitz, who works on Dominique Foswurst podcast.
He sends me a text like, I think Otani has passed bonds.
That same afternoon, my man Clarence, is like, I am not a big.
baseball fan at all. But this has to be the best player that's ever been, right? So I'm giving you three
levels of people. Cravitz who played a pretty high level high school baseball. Like he's a baseball guy.
Tensley, who I think is like me, a person who enjoys, you know, is a baseball fan of sorts.
And then a person who doesn't watch baseball at all, all had the same exact question. Is this the
best baseball player we've ever seen? He's feeling like top three, if nothing else.
Shout out to my man, Mike Sealsky, though. Mike Sealski told us there was a dude named Rick Wise,
who in one game had a no hitter struck out 12 people
and had two home runs.
And I'm like, I don't know if Rick Wise is still alive,
but I know if I was Rick Wise
till the day I died, you would have heard about that shit.
I can't believe that's the first time I ever heard that
because Rick Wise should be every,
that would be, that's Al Bundy right there.
When you say three, obviously, Otani, Bond, who's the third?
Oh, the best baseball player ever to play baseball is Babe Ruth.
Like, it seems like a cliche thing to say,
but just remember, Babe Ruth finished with 714 home runs.
He set the career home run record, I believe, at 190 or something like that.
No, Babe, like, we kind of yada, yada out of it because it was 100 years ago.
But Babe Ruth was Paul Bunyan.
You also have to remember that back then, not all the baseballs was round.
Right.
Every baseball was a box of chocolate.
Like, there wasn't the technology.
There wasn't all of this stuff, right?
Just this, you know, everybody always says,
what if Babe Ruth had to play against black players?
and all the white dudes who played against Babe Ruth were glad they didn't
because the one they did have to play against was enough.
But oops.
All right.
So Anthony Edwards held his first ever annual award show.
No, every word of this is hysterical.
And he gave out the White Boy of the Year Award.
The winner was Timothy Chalemay.
Shalemay beat out Tom Cruise, Adam Sandler, Pat McAfee, and Mr. Beast.
Shao May accepted this award via, you know, a video call had a lot to say.
He said, got a shout out all my white boys that laid the path before me.
Timberlake, Justin Bieber, Jason Williams, Ed Sheeran.
Later, Shao May posted a further acceptance speech, which read, end quote, you can get lost in the sauce,
but without sauce, you are lost.
That being said, I promise to cherish this award and do good inspiring generations of white boys to come
and to be entirely delusional about their identity
and place within the world.
First of all, only one person can get away with this
and this is Anthony Edwards.
Number two, shout out to my man John Kroeski,
who covers the Temple Wheels for the Athletic,
who was nominated for a reporter of the year.
Because this was a whole thing.
Yes.
He had a wide range of categories.
He had a reporter of the year.
And Kroeski said that he was glad to be nominated for a report of the year.
He may have won, I'm not sure.
But he said that next year he really wants to get on the list for White Boy,
year.
There's a tough list.
It was a tough list.
Yeah.
It was a really tough list.
Did you see he had Hater of the Year?
And if you can find the clip where he is running through all the nominees for Hater of
the Year that even had on the list, and I quote, magic motherfucking Johnson.
I don't know what Magic Johnson did to Anthony.
Oh, I think it was you ain't won no championships.
I think that was what it was.
But he read, I can't believe this was real life.
They only made one Anthony Edwards,
and I don't know if I'm upset that there aren't more
or I'm just glad that we get to experience the one that we have.
I mean, it honestly, it looked like a Chappelle Choskey.
It did, but it was real.
It was real.
It's him.
It's all of his friends, their video, I mean, they got,
Tim Vish Elmai called in from, like, Hungary or Bulgaria
where he's shooting this movie.
They got a child star from the 90s who isn't an actress anymore.
like because he because um he was matilda he lost matilda so they got matilda
like just this was a very well like shockingly well produced award show
whose idea was like clearly this is adidas's idea because shoe of the year all the nominations
were the a.E correct it was I don't know if it was idea but it was clearly he was the creative
force every creative decision was I don't know if he spearheaded it but you
Every decision from there was made by Anthony Edwards.
Yes.
All right.
Speaking of NBA's great,
Kevin Durand had a clip in the new Netflix series starting five,
talking about why he responds to Twitter trolls.
He said, quote,
that's my coffee in the morning.
People who have never picked up a basketball,
never ran full of speed in their life,
and they tell you how to approach the game.
You can't even make your high school game,
high school team.
Shut your ass up.
I am amazed that he hasn't gotten time.
of it. No.
And please understand who is saying this.
Yes. I am saying this. I used to have a Twitter account entitled Hater Gallagher
would only serve the purpose of searching for my name and destroying people who had bad
things to say. I am that person. I shut Hater Gallagher down 12 years ago.
He's still doing this.
He is committed to the bit.
Wow.
Yeah, it is amazing.
That is, yeah, that's all I got.
Sometimes growth and change is important.
And sometimes, you know, might as well keep doing what you're good at.
Can I give you one last great quote from starting five?
Me and my man, Rod, talk about this because we love, we love our guy, Joe Missoula.
And Joe Missoula had a quote in starting five about who would win a fight between him and
Jalen Brown, have you seen this?
Yes.
Yes.
He says that I quote,
if I'm going to taste death,
you're coming with me.
And that's how I know Joe Missoula has children.
That's your dad's a lot.
That's why we have the,
was the last time you fought your pops?
Yeah.
That's why we tried to fight your pops.
Because it's that line right there.
And I believe he means every word.
I promise you,
I don't think Joe Zula has a lot of time for playing
with Jalen Brown or his kids.
No, no, no, God, I love him.
I love him.
He's so weird, but I love him so much.
Yo, between him and Fran Brown, the head coach at Syracuse, it's like, okay, hashtag black weirdos.
We don't really get a lot of room to be like just flat out weirdos.
Accentrics.
But that's exactly it.
They are both eccentric.
All right, a little bit of a global news here.
There was a heist at the Louvre Sunday morning in just seven minutes.
Thieves grabbed priceless jewels from the Huluv using a portable electric ladder to break into the second floor.
They are still at large, Beau.
What were your thoughts when you heard this?
Two questions.
Number one, how did you pull this lift up without anybody noticing?
Like, do you have to, I, I am, that, that part floors me, right?
Right. Number two, now that you got the stuff, now what?
right like I'm assuming these guys are not stupid criminals so I mean they cleaned out the loo of seven minutes but it reminds me that I went to high school with somebody at least this was the story my high school debate captain did a summer in jail um because he stole a cop car and if I'm not mistaken the way he got caught was he tried to pawn the guns right hadn't really done the math on police issue guns you know all that
you can't go take any of this stuff just to your local pawn shop.
I mean, you can't pawn a Rolex.
Right.
What do you give me for these crowd jewels?
Yeah, these have been sitting in the loop for the last 300 years.
Yeah, yeah, I got it.
I got it for my birthday.
But did you see that they rolled out of there and like some tiara with like thousands of diamonds and pearls just like fell out of the bag?
Yeah.
It was, I mean, it was a.
I have to admit, I wouldn't say I'm pro this sort of crime.
I am very pro people who can get away with.
Like, people alluding the cops is pretty cool.
Yeah. I would say, a friend Dubai said it to me and she was like,
this is so dope.
And I was like, wow, that's an interesting term to use.
But, you know, once you start putting it in these terms,
I'm like, oh, I see what you're saying.
I will also make this point.
As a Texan, I saw another story that in Virginia,
some people pulled up to these folks house with like Halloween masks
and told them to come outside like this threatening and they said
the people are still at large or whatever it is.
And this crime with the Louvre and that one right there,
my Texas brain can't understand it because guns, right?
Like, because the plan in France is-
My part of Louisiana's like that too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, I-10, baby, I-10 is in the house.
So the thing in France is that they're playing if you're getting robbed
is just you can have stuff, right,
just as long as we all make it out of here.
That thing that people ran in Virginia,
you're not doing that at nobody's house in Texas
because you're going to get some,
you're going to have buckshot in your chest.
Like, I am floored that you can take that much stuff
and I don't care if it took him seven minutes or not.
Somebody would have been waiting there to blow your ass away
if you had tried this at the Houston Museum Art.
Bet that.
All right, Bo.
Voicemail lines open, a lot of great ones.
our first. Hey, Bo. This is Darius College from Georgia. And I had a question for you. So I know
Rashid Wiles played the NBA all those years and Trey O's always played in the NFL all those years.
I'm a little younger, but I just remember people really didn't like Tare Owens because he's all to
field antics, but people love Rashid Wallace despite his own-the-field antics. So my question is,
how can she, who used to come unglued on the court and sometimes couldn't finish game because
all those technical files, he was so loved, whereas T.O.'s shenanigans have been on the sideline
and not on the field and then cause his teams in the game. I just don't understand
how she was loved and he would lose it in the game, like he knows the team would need him,
whereas Tio was just losing on the sideline. I just never understood why one is Hayes or
want his love. Thanks, man. I got to be honest with you, Darius,
the only explanation I got for you is sheed is sheed and Tio is Tio.
You can maybe do football and basketball is a little different, but that's, that's, that's, that's, that's the crux of it.
Some people, some people can get away with some things.
Some people can't get away.
For example, why don't you go wear that stuff to Cam Newton be wearing and go outside and see if you can pull a bad one?
Oh, but you can't.
What's the difference between me and Cam Newton?
There you go.
You just said it right there.
That's, that's, that's all it is.
Sheed is really endearing, though.
It has always been that way, but it's, those of us.
who love Sheed, we started loving Sheed when he first got into school. Also, she, like,
she'd got ejected from his first preseason game for fighting. Like, it's, it's all over
the place with Shee. Also, the T.O. thing. And I'm glad you pointed out that you were younger,
because he did cost his team some games. Like, he got suspended that whole year with the Eagles,
for example. But he also almost won a Super Bowl by himself on one leg. He did. Right.
let's not leave that out.
But the bottom line is people like Sheed in ways that they don't like T.O.
Now, to be clear, there are a lot of people who really like T.O.
The issue with T.O.
Is not that everybody doesn't like T.O.
Because if everybody didn't like T.O.
It'd be easier to deal with.
Problem is a lot of people love T.O.
And then the other people really don't like Tio.
Right?
But, yeah, no, it's just, it's just the answer to your question is that life ain't fair.
It'd be like that sometimes.
Yep.
All right, here's our next one.
Hey, Bumani.
My name's Robbie.
I'm calling you from the kind of Buffalo area, a longtime fan from back in your
around the horn days and glad to be listening to your pod more frequently.
I was really sad about the passing of DiAngelo.
So I was curious to hear a little bit from you, you know, about DeAngelo,
any fandom you may have.
You know, DeAngelo is an artist who really actually got me into prints
and sort of retroactive way.
and from interviews that I've listened to, you know, kind of positioned himself in the lineage of, you know, Prince, Fly, James Brown, you know, kind of working it back that way.
So curious what you think about DeAngela within that lineage.
I'm curious if you could speak to, you know, any artists, maybe more contemporary artists, you think maybe continuing, continuing in that maybe lineage of music and culture.
So thanks, thanks for the reflection.
And thanks for the show.
Appreciate you.
No problem, man.
I don't really have, like, the current artist to point to,
and we got a video also up on YouTube
that you can check out.
We talked about Deiselo right after you pass.
In fact, I was listening to Brown Sugar a little bit today
before we jumped on.
And I've thought more and more about it.
And I'm still struck by the effect that he had
on other great musicians.
Right?
Like, it's one thing for those, like, I think I underestimate how, like, kind of almost, I don't know if Revolutionary is the right way to put it.
But when he hit in 95, nothing really sounded like that.
Like, you could go listen to the Tony, Tony, Tony Sons the Soul album, I think, and kind of start walking your way into this general direction.
But nothing sounded like Brow Sugar.
And the part that I didn't give enough credit to until I was talking to my man Duon about this is,
I told the story about like the ASR 10 story
where Pimsy found out that DeAngelo recorded Brown Sugar
on the ASR 10, which Pimsy had also used
and he was just like, I don't know nothing about using this machine
if he did this, did his album on that, right?
I need to go look at the book, right?
But the thing about the ASR 10 that made it interesting is
is that Diangelo was in their programming drums
like he was making rap tracks.
Like when you go listen to it, that is the,
like it's a continuation that Mary J. Bligeab,
but it's like, oh, no, you are pounding out these drums,
and somebody could really rap over a lot of these beats.
Like, you're really doing that.
Then with a really sophisticated kind of style of playing keys,
but nothing is ever super showy in the instrumentals and all of this stuff.
And it just gets back again to kind of what we talked about in the last question.
He's that guy.
And it just shown him being that guy in every song and everything that he did
felt so natural and easy.
And I think that's the part that gets me.
people miss the mark all the time on songs.
Even songs that aren't necessarily my favorite from him,
because, you know, DeAngelo got,
hey, speak up, can't understand you, right?
It still all just felt like it just came out of him so purely when it did.
And I think the more I think about it,
that's the most irreplaceable quality with him.
Like, even Prince, Prince got a whole lot of stuff that kind of missed a bark, right?
DeAngelo, maybe there's this super quality control
of only putting out three albums in 30 years.
But it never felt like he missed a mark,
even if it wasn't your favorite.
All right, Bo. Here's our last one.
Hey, Beaumani. It's your boy, JT. in Las Vegas.
I just wanted to ask,
I've heard you say a bunch of times
that B.O.B. By Outcast is the greatest single
and greatest song of the 21st century.
And I'm just wondering if you could kind of touch on
what it is that makes that song so incredible
and just the best thing ever.
That song knocks, but, like, what is it that makes it the best?
Love the show, man.
Bye.
All right.
I appreciate it.
So I'll walk you through this, right?
So the summer of 2000, which was, those of you know me, a very difficult time in my life.
My best friend in college died in April of that year.
I'm 19 years old when this happens.
This is my junior year.
I go to his funeral.
I come back to the dorm and I expected to finish out the semester.
No.
Packed up my stuff.
I went to my parents' house, right?
I just like, I don't know what I'm going to do.
That's when I started doing all the writing and media stuff
because I needed something to keep myself saying.
So anyway, that summer somebody tells me,
it's his new Outcast song, you got to check it out.
And I say, okay, cool.
So my dad was not home that summer for the most part.
He was working some job in D.C.
So I had the house to myself.
And this was the summer that Napster appeared,
but we had no high-speed internet.
And I would go on dial-up and just try to like download songs, right?
and it could take forever.
And so I found out about this Outcast song,
and I felt like it took me a whole day to download it.
And I remember the first time I listened to it.
I'd never heard anything that sounded like it.
And I spent three whole days listening to it.
In the first two days, I'm still not getting it.
And the third day, everything registered.
And it was like, oh, this is mind-blowing.
And so what it is for me that makes that song so incredible
is that it comes out in the year 2000.
So at this point, we're really working with,
I guess a little bit short of 30 years, but, you know, for most people's consciousness,
20 years of rap music, right? And it felt like every style of rap, every movement of rap that had emerged
up until that point was included in that song, while also considering a point that Chuck D made
in a book that I read once that I thought was interesting about rap, where he's like, the thing about
rap is that rap is music that is made from music. So then we're borrowing for so many other things.
borrow from rock, you're borrowing from gospel.
And not like, oh, it's a sprinkle here, it's a sprinkle there.
It's all right there explicitly in your face.
And it just felt like this big jumble of everything together that somehow managed to be
like full on cohesive, right?
The energy is unstoppable in it.
It's whatever you want a rap song to be, B.OB in some part is going to be that.
At every single term is the greatest group in the history of rap showing you every single
thing that they could do.
that literally nobody else could have done, right?
So for me, if you ask anybody,
what is it that they love about hip hop,
people who truly love it,
what is it that you love about hip hop?
Get what their answer is.
And no matter what that answer is,
I guarantee you you will find a piece of that in BOP.
Germain Dupree makes the point about Atlanta rap
that every song from Atlanta got a little planet rock in it.
he's like that is the foundational building block and when you know that it explains a lot about like how
atlanta rap goes Atlanta is a hip-hop city in a way that not all cities in the south are new
Orleans is a hip-hop city in the way that not all cities in the south are Houston for example
he was in a rap city it found its way there but i don't found it i don't find that hip-hop is it ain't
in the bones of the place and in the people at the time in the same way right it just it just don't feel
that way to me. But Atlanta is. And so when you hear me say that, you hear that foundational piece
of Planet Rock, like really in the beginning. You hear that. And then it broadens out into everything
else that ever seen possible at the time. And it's 25 years later. You still ain't caught up to it.
We still ain't. But yeah, ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here on the right time.
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