The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Pacers-Thunder Game 5, Grizzlies Trade Desmond Bane, Giving Up on Ja Morant? | 6.16

Episode Date: June 16, 2025

On today's episode of The Right Time, Bomani Jones discusses the Oklahoma City Thunder winning Game 4 of the NBA Finals and Desmond Bane being traded. Bo starts off the show by praising Shai Gilgeous-Alexander's finish to Game 4 (2:35) and why he'd rather see SGA create space for himself than fake a fall (3:26). Bo continues by saying it's the most wide open NBA Finals we've ever seen (10:04) and jokes that Lu Dort would've been in the NFL if he was born in the United States (11:36). Bo weighs in on the Memphis Grizzlies trading Desmond Bane to the Orlando Magic by declaring that it is not a "blockbuster" (15:37) and that this may mean Ja Morant will be moved next (21:48). And finally, we have another round of If You Haven't Heard stories involving Hollywood dying, difficulties of teaching middle schoolers and private equity companies buying everything (28:52). Then Bomani listens to some voicemails about the time your mom showed up to ruin something fun. (41:17) If You Haven't Heard Contributors: Lane Brown, Vulture, "Hollywood Has Left L.A." https://tinyurl.com/53vw4ta7 Doree Shafrir, Slate, "I Teach Middle Schoolers. I’m Seeing Something in the Kids That’s Getting Worse Every Year." https://slate.com/advice/2025/06/work-advice-middle-school-teacher-frustrated-with-kids-today.html Issie Lapowsky, Vanity Fair, "How Private-Equity Billionaires Killed the American Dream" https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/megan-greenwell-bad-company-interview . . . Subscribe to Supercast for Ad-Free Episodes: https://righttime.supercast.com/ Subscribe to The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Spotify, Apple or wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok for all the best moments from the show. Download Full Podcast Here: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6N7fDvgNz2EPDIOm49aj7M?si=FCb5EzTyTYuIy9-fWs4rQA&nd=1&utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-right-time-with-bomani-jones/id982639043?utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Follow The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Social Media: http://lnk.to/therighttime Support the Show: Download the DraftKings Pick Six app NOW and use code BOMANI. Better payouts. Bigger wins. Only with Pick6 from DraftKings. The Crown is yours. Download Cash App Today: https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/icdnkphp #CashAppPod Go to zbiotics.com/BOMANI to learn more and get 15% off your first order when you use BOMANI at checkout. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A Wave Original. My name is Beaumani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. We got a lot of things to talk about, including what in the world is going on in Memphis and what might be going on with Kevin Durant. But first, you know, actual real live basketball.

NBA finals basketball. I got to be honest. I don't fully understand how everything works in terms of time tables and all of this. And I get that the world don't stop. The news is the news, everything else. But I am a little touch of surprise that the NBA can't find a way to stop people for being out here to talk about transactions when honest to God, the NBA finals are going on.

Like, I remember that time when I was a kid. And, I mean, when I was a kid, by the way, I was absolutely in my 20s. maybe even 30s, but Alice Roryges was opting out of his contract. I believe he was with the Yankees. He's after that his contract and the news leaked during Game 7 of the World Series. I think it was Game 7. And I was like, wow, what poor taste. We should be talking about the game.

But anyway, Game 4 gave us to me why it is that we hear in the first place. And it actually is a combination to me of why we are here in the first place. and especially why we are here now in what we got. And so Indiana has really gotten a lot of us to talk ourselves into the idea that they could be NBA champions. And I don't think I've taught myself out of the idea that they could be. But I'm going to be honest. Like to get to that place require talking in. You know, like I was not there naturally.

I needed to get myself to a place where I could like, spend enough disbelief to think that they could beat at. And they did that. They're up to one in the NBA finals. Felt like that was the sort of thing they could do. Oklahoma City, did I in the first half a little earlier? Paces came and got them. Pacers were rolling, man.

Paces looked like they got this thing. And then in the fourth quarter, the Paces went cold. And that happens, right? Sometimes you're just not going to be able to get buckets. It happens. What doesn't just happen is the, MVP going for 15 points in the last five minutes of the game. And I want to say 11 points in the last three minutes for a team that scored 16 points total. Look, there was a certain element of 06 Duane Wade

did this where if you weren't feeling what She was doing, yeah, you're like, how was he getting away with this, right? Like 06 Duane Wade was getting to the free throw line all the time. In this case, it's Shea who, right, it seems like he has figured out that they're going to call the push off if you hit full extension, right? But that half. That little half, you can get away. It's like you're shucking a block. Yes, yes, yes.

Yes, he is leveraging the gray. And I'll be honest, I am much better with creating the space than I am with faking the fault. You know what I'm saying? I'm a lot better with this than him out there. lying. Getting away with that, I feel like it's different than getting away with those shenanigans. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, look, man, this is what it is. And he gets just enough space, right? Now, when you go back through the annals of NBA playoffs and you start talking about the plays that feel like pushoffs, right? I go back and look at them now and I'm like, oh, okay,

nah, not really a push off. Two of them involve Michael Jordan, one of him on the business end. one of him on the given end. On the giving end, obviously, is the play with Brian Russell, Game 6, 1998 in Utah. You go back and you look at it and might game a little pat, but Mike ain't push off. That was not, we're not calling that, right? And there was no way Brian Russell was getting back and contenting that. Number two. That's, that's, that this wasn't, no matter what was going on, Brian Russell was not stopping Michael George for making that shot. Everybody just needs to understand that. But he gave a little nudge the other way.

Now, the other one is another play from 98 that I've seen get replayed a lot. And this is game four at the end at Market Square Arena, where Reggie Miller had two hands and Mike's back. No, no, not his back. He hit him early. He comes off the screen. Jordan comes over and he gave him a bump right there. Jordan came back.

Reggie gets to the ball at the sideline coming this way, coming toward him, catches it goes right. He hits the three with point four seconds. left, right? You look at that, playoff foul, man. Me, playoff, not even playoff foul, playoff action. This is, this is what it is. And so when you show me this Shay is giving them that half chicken wing again, and we have established that if the arm gets all the way established, that's the

foul. We have said that forever. He is stopping short of that. I'm cool with it. I can find myself living with that, okay? But the bottom line is those of us who questioned whether a guy who put in one of these like top 15 all time advanced metric season, who seen in back to back years has 60 something wins, whose second best player is not somebody that we're thinking about as being an upper echelon NBA star.

And we had asked ourselves, is this guy a superstar? I asked it certainly, right? So when I say we, I mean me and the people who was talking like me, all right? We raise those questions. Your season on the line, full on on the line with five minutes left in the game, and you put up 16 points, okay? And we're not talking about like a lucky 16 points or just it felt like a lucky heater. We're talking about you getting to the spots on the floor that you want to get to,

creating the space that you need to get the shots, dare I say, willing yourself to what need be done? That's why we're here in the first place. We're here to see the heart check. We're here to see if you've got it in that moment. And then from there, in our current era, where we spend all of our time evaluating what tier some player is on, whether they are an all-star, a star, a superstar, and everything else,

That's the right now part that we come to see. And on the road, that dude showed up and he got it. And they did it against the team that up until this point has demonstrated itself to be outright fears. But now we're walking into game five wondering, did that game break them? We are asking the team that most of us, me and the others, I feel like most is a fair place for us to put this. We're like, hey, man, these boys don't give up. I said a text to my buddy Vinny during the game about the patience in game three. And I was like, hey, man, these boys don't give up.

And his response was which team? And he was right. Oklahoma City had plenty of chances also to fold in this. They haven't. These are two teams that have never been this far, right? Two teams that have never really done it. Two teams that really honestly haven't had that true experience of banging their head up against that ceiling before they finally broke through it.

Yet neither of them scares. Neither of them breaks. neither team also, by extension, has that track record that makes the other team feel like, oh, we can't beat them. It'll only come down in those cases to whether those teams say to themselves, we can't do it because we're us, but it's not going to be because of the sheer force of the people who are on the other side. That, to me, this is why we're here.

Like, this is big time box off and attracts in basketball. And so for game five, I do not walk into this with the thought. idea that Indiana is done because they didn't win that game. No, sir, I do not feel that way. I don't feel like Oklahoma City simply put their feet on those boys next. Now, do I think that Indiana can get blown away early in that game and that hostile environment where it gets so loud? Yeah, I think that can happen. Except, no, I don't think that can happen. They can be down by 30 points at the end of the first quarter and you're not going to make me think that Indiana's going to stop. How many times do we have to see them at this point not stop?

Before we just look at it and say, we have a tied up series right now. Those of you who know me know, I'm not here for this momentum shit, right? Like it's not, it is the ultimate confirmation bias observation, right? This momentum thing, how can you believe momentum doesn't exist? You only believe momentum exists when you say momentum exists. That's it. And when it don't look like it's momentum, you got every story in there. the world to what happened.

Man, Mo Minimal's running a little bit late. It ain't get off work till after 5 o'clock, and you know how traffic is. So it just ain't get there yet. You know what I'm saying? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is it, man. This is three games left to go. And I'm guessing it's going to wind up being three games night too.

This is three games left to go with two teams with no reason to be afraid of each other. No reason to think that they can't be the ones who could figure this out. Nobody on the other side, not even Shea Gildes Alexander, who is so undeniable and so insurmountable that you got to be like, man, I don't know what we're going to do against this dude. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This ain't none of that. This is the most wide open that I can think of that an NBA finals has been. Now, if you have followed me for a while, you know my feeling on this, all right?

I do not prefer the era of NBA parity. accept it as being here because it is not going to change anytime soon, but it is not my preference. I prefer there be a juggernaut and everybody try to find a way to take that juggernaut on. That's where I come from. That's my background. That's what I grew up with. It's going to take a long time before I believe that there's a better way to do this. However, now that we're here, I can appreciate the value in what this one is right now. Let us enjoy it. This is going to be dope. But Ryan, I have to say one thing.

I meant to say this before. I don't know if you saw this, but I offended some Canadians over the weekend. How'd you do that? I offended so Canadians. Oh, I know you're talking about now. Yeah, I was talking about

Lou Dort. Well, I think my buddy Miles, no, Vinnie, Miles and Brian had talked about this also. But Vinny had said something about Lou Dorton said if he was out there playing football and rassling in that game. And I made the observation that, and if you watch Lou Dork play, you know exactly what I mean here, that there is only one reason that Lou Dord is in the NBA. And that's because he's from Canada. That's it. Because if Lou Dort was from the United States, he'd have been in a mini camp last weekend, right? Maybe he got his hand in the dirt, but probably only

on third downs. He playing off the ball. He dropping off in coverage, man. But not only does that dude, I was thinking more of like a strong safety type. I can see that. Like a Cam Chancellor. I can see that. I can see that, right? Love's contact. It's not just that he's built like a football player.

It's not just that he plays with a football player physicality. If you have ever seen the football team play intramural basketball, even the form on his jump shot is a football player form. jump shot. Like that jump shot is actually the reason most of the football players play football. That's don't know what it is. Lou Dord fit the whole profile. Man, I had some people hit me up and maybe they was bots, right? Because they so dedicated to so in Discord. What's your problem with Canada? Black Americans have such a problem with Canadians. And guys, I need you to understand something. Okay. And I've spent a decent bit of time in and around Canada.

One of my biggest things I've ever done in my career, my favorite thing probably that I've ever done was a show called the Morning Jones for a company called The Score in Canada. And I remember I started doing that show in 2010, and that was the year that the Olympics were in Vancouver. And the closing ceremony, I believe it was the closing ceremony, but it had a lot of material that was the Canadians just making jokes about Americans. and I just can't make this any clearer. And please understand, I mean this. I'm not throwing you shade, okay? We don't think about you even for a moment. You guys don't come up.

We have no beef with Canada. We have no beef with you. much like we have no beef with the countries that we don't know where they at. We're not citizens of the world like that. You understand what I'm saying? We're not like, Trump might got a little beef with y'all. You know what I'm saying? And I understand you.

I got some beef for Trump. But just don't take that as an indication that we think about you at all. Like remember when Kendrick called Drape a Canadian, that was it. That was all he said. A Canadian. You know what he didn't say anything deep. about what the jokes is about Canadians. He never gave it that much thought, man.

Never at all. He's worn a jean jacket with some jeans before. That's as Canadian as that man gets. Ain't no beef, which the Canadian basketball players. That's not good for them. I actually think it's a very good thing that they're getting better in the Olympics, right? It helps.

It really does, right? But when I say that Lou Dort plays like a goddamn football player, it's because he does. In America, they'd have made him into a football player. We got so many basketball players We can give one up to go let them go play some football Y'all can't really do that You know what I'm saying?

It doesn't really work that way My question for you, Canadians, is This is real talk. Lou Dork from Montreale from Montreal. He just not skate at all? Somebody told me that they just be real physical in Montreale. I got no idea, but I'm surprised y'all They put a stick in his hand

unless there's some reason they wouldn't. All right, I want to run something by y'all. And I want to go right now to ESPN.com and see if this is still there. Okay. Okay, here we go. Ryan, I want to see your face when I read this word for word. It says, Grizzly send Bain to Magic in Blockbuster trade. Blockbuster, as in the company doesn't exist anymore?

That's all. I'm just saying, if Desmond of Bain is in a blockbuster trade, his name. name is not in the headline. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that is. That he has traded for someone in a blockbuster. We are really stretching the definition of Blockbuster right now. An August 8th lead if I've ever heard one in my life.

Oh my goodness. Look, it was an unexpected trade. Now, this Raphael Divers trade in baseball, that sounds like a Blockbuster from what I could tell. I mean, Raphael. In fact, that should tell you everything you need to know. Raphael Devers can walk in my house right now, and I would have no idea who. who he was, especially not if he was wearing his white red-sized jersey. It ain't got no name on it, right? I wouldn't have any clue who he is, but I knew when he got traded that it was a blockbuster,

okay? Desmond Bay, what are you talking about? This is not a blockbuster trade. It may portend trades that look like blockbusters, but this is not a blockbuster trade. I also, it is a full-on trade that I don't understand. And ordinarily, I can find people when you make the trade, even if you don't agree with it, you can understand it. I'm going to put this out there because I know this is a sensitive matter for some of you guys. But even without agreeing with it, I understood the lugodontas trade. I got what they were going for, even if it was a bit haphazard.

I do not really get what the grizzlies are going for. here. And the reason I don't get it is, and if you have not seen this, Desmond Bain got traded to the magic for Cantavius Caldwell Pope, Cole Anthony, and four first round picks. Somebody was explaining to me that it's not really four first round picks. It's really like three first round picks at a swap or something like that, as if that makes this any better, right? Now, there's a point to be made about what the market has become for first round picks and that mid first round picks have become a bit devalued at this point. And I understand that argument on its fate.

I also understand the argument that you could look at this trade comparative to, say, McHale Bridges, who got traded last year for all of those first round picks to go to the Knicks. But the big difference was, Mikhail Bridges was making a lot less money than Desmond. Bain was. Like the idea behind why I was justifiable for the Knicks to give up all those picks was because Bridges was coming in so cheap that you couldn't get a contract like that just anywhere. That's not what's going on here with Desmond Bain. Now, maybe there will be a point in, say, a couple of years that that $40 million a year I think that he gets, does it seem to be so expensive? But as of right now, the justification for the Bridges trade to me

does not exist. The argument that it's okay to do this because those first round picks have been devalued, I also raise questions about that. And the reason I do is, in this age of parody, I don't understand how if you are the Orlando magic, you feel like you can just simply decide,

oh, yeah, we're going to be good for the next five years. player are you sure about that that yeah that's the interesting thing about the trade right you you if you're the magic you're thinking our window is open the window has never been wider right but at the same time by the same logic if the window opens quicker that also means it shuts quicker right i i do not feel as good about the idea that what is your team with your two best players being Paola Bancaro and Franz Wagner. I don't feel like this is salad days forever in line with that, right? Like I look at that team and it makes me think to myself that at best it's a handful

of low spades, right? And I think that Desmond Bain is another guy that qualifies as being a low spade. I'm not saying they can't be Trumps, right? But I'm just saying if somebody comes out here with a deuce, I don't really so much know what y'all got here. I don't see that. And so the East is wide open, yes. But there's a possibility that you're one injury away from those picks that you're giving away really mattering.

Okay. Now, maybe you're Orlando and you make the point that, okay, we don't hear Jayla Suss for 30-something games last year. He comes back and looking reasonably similar to how he's seen before and you pair him with the guys that they've got. Maybe then you feel better about it. I'm not sure. But I would think that regardless of what valuation you put on these late round first round picks, in this era of NBA parity, I do not think that you can make the assumptions about how good you're going to be for how long that you might make. Again, especially not here with the team that to me, it's a team that doesn't have a frontline superstar.

And so to me, without the presence of a frontline superstar, I don't understand what they're doing. Okay. Now, that's on the Orlando end. On the Memphis end, I understand what you're doing under one circumstance, and that's if the plan is to tear this down. At that point, I understand it. I don't think that this trade, I don't think getting back in Tavius, Caldwell, Pope, and Cole Anthony, I don't think that makes you better right now. Having those four first round picks, maybe you have them as some measure of capital. that then helps you get better right now. If that's the case, hmm, okay, I see what you're doing. But if that's not what you're going to do, then your next move seems to me to be pretty obvious. You're trading John Moran.

Otherwise, I don't get this. Now, if you are trading John Morant, which that is a move that I would advocate in some places and not in other places. Now, he only plays with one place. Let me explain what I mean. I could be wrong, but I feel like John Moran sells tickets in Memphis in a way that you're not going to sell tickets if John Moran doesn't play for you. Okay.

So if you are in a larger city, like take the Knicks, for example, the Knicks don't need a player to sell tickets. They're just going to sell tickets. Okay. The Grizzlies need a player to sell tickets. Like markets of that size especially. The Thunder, you need a player or a team, but you're going to need a player. but you're going to need something to sell tickets. All right.

Maybe you keep John Morant because he still sells tickets. I'll just throw this out there by John Moran. The John Morant is 26 years old. His game is heavily predicated on athleticism and he can't stay healthy. He is a knee problem, excuse me, 25 years old, my bad. But he is a serious knee diagnosis from, being really, really damaged good. And that is before

we get into the fact that he appears to be dumb as a sack of hamish. Not like an actual stupid person, right? Not like in the way that is insulting. I mean, he'd be doing

dumb shit a lot. You feel what I'm saying? A track record of making poor decisions. He's a knucklehead. There we go. Like, I feel like knucklehead is benign enough that you could say it. But yes, his decision making is questionable. It's not co-headish, if you will. And worse than poor decision-making, it is having people explain to you why the decisions are poor and insisting that you're going to do the stuff anyway.

Right. Like that's the, that's that. I don't know who you get to take him. But again, if you're going to make a trade that's for the future, then you'll be about the future. I don't believe in playing two timeline games. I believe that you can protect your future and play for the right now, but as the Warriors showed us, you can't really play for the right now and play for the tomorrow at the same time. That's not really how it goes. So to me, with Memphis,

trade and bane is something you do when you're not playing for right now. And if you're not playing for right now, then you trade John Moran. I don't know what you do with Jared Jackson. Maybe you keep them, maybe you do something similar. I don't know. But the only way that this makes sense to me for Memphis is if you're, plan is to move Moran. That's it. For the magic, I don't really have any idea. As for Kevin Durant, I got shows to do for the rest of the week. I'll highlight you a little bit later.

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Hi, Beaumani. My name is Lane Brown. I'm a features writer for New York Magazine. I recently wrote a story called Hollywood has left Los Angeles. The gist is fewer and fewer movies and TV shows are filming in L.A., and that's causing big problems for people who work in the industry. For a century, most American shows and movies filmed in L.A. Today, only about one and five of them do. The rest have scattered all over the world the places like Atlanta, Toronto, London, and Budapest. Even movies that are set in L.A. are being filled in New Orleans. Orleans or Paris or Australia. The main reason is money. Other states and countries offer huge

tax credits that make it cheaper to film elsewhere. Producers can shoot in certain locations and sometimes get back up to 40% of a project's total budget with local taxpayers voting the bill. For example, if somebody makes a $100 million movie in New York, the state will send them back a check for $40 million with no strings attached, which is pretty generous of New York residents like me. So now, when producers want to film a new show or movie, they'll usually just go wherever they can get the biggest rebate, which almost always eliminates LA. This has real consequences for the people who make our entertainment, who now never know which city or even which continent their next job will take them to.

If they sign up to make a TV show, it could mean living far away from home for years. And I realize that it's hard to muster sympathy for rich alist actors and directors just because they have to spend a few months in nice hotels. But think of the crew members who don't make millions of dollars, the people who do the real work of making this stuff that we watch, whose lives have become logistical nightmares as they're forced to constantly relocate to wherever the best tax credits are. A lot of them are deciding that it's no longer worth it and leaving the industry.

And as that happens, we lose a lot of valuable expertise. Our shows and movies will get worse. And L.A. itself, whose economy was built on having all of this production work, is hollowing out. A lot of the people I talked to told me it's beginning to feel more like Detroit than the city it once was. Rob Lowe said, I don't think Hollywood the industry has much to do with Hollywood the place anymore. And the writer-director Jonathan Nolan told me, the nucleus that Hollywood grew out of is dying. I got to be honest, I thought that was really interesting. Like I had seen all these things about these, you know, the credits and the abilities to shoot in all these other places.

Like the other night, I wound up watching the untouchables on cable, the 1987 untouchables. I had never seen it. Number one, hey man, how did you guys let Kevin Costner become a thing? Terrible. Kevin Costner is still a thing four decades later. And he's so bad. Like that. I'm looking at that.

Wow, he's so bad in this movie. It's ridiculous. Number two, what a wildly violent movie that was. Like, watch Sean Connery clap that dude in the mouth. I was like, yo, this is wild violent. Number three, very clearly shot on the South Stage in L.A. Yes. Right? Like, that was, that was, I was looking at the scene where they run up in Sean Connery's crib. And I was like, okay, yeah, this is, this is shot in L.A. Like, I feel, yeah, I feel very confident that that's what happened here. I get the value obviously of going to shooting these places, and they're talking about, you know, obviously the money and how that changes up when you make that decision.

But I had not considered the idea that when the people said that it reminds them of Detroit, I thought that was very apt. Like, L.A. without the movie industry, is kind of sort of Detroit went out the cars. Just with the weather. Yeah, this is a huge percentage of what the local economy has been. So what does happen in LA if that goes down? Number one. Number two, just going to throw this out here, man. Your city don't want more a bunch of movie stars living in it. I'm just telling you right now,

I don't think that's going to be as cool for you or as cool for the movie stars, quite honestly. Like, it's a little better that that weird-ass world all stay in its place. You know what I'm saying? They stick around where it's at. That's better. But I had not thought about the idea of who are the people that are going to work on these films when you send them. Now, there's, Atlanta's interesting because I don't know how it does for, like, the shooting part, but they'll be fine on, like, the sound stuff because it's already a thriving music industry town. And so, like, I got a buddy that does a lot of sound editing and things in movies and TV shows that get shot in Atlanta.

But I also hadn't thought about this. We talked about you shoot a movie in New York for $100 million. New York Center $40 million. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, homie. Ryan, we both live up here, man. Task game crazy up here. We got that down to 30. They don't need, I'll give 40%.

I don't need them shoot no movies here. I'll give a damn about that. What's you talking about? They don't need to send the 29th season of Law and Order. We've got enough. Hell no, we good, we good. Or if you want to do it, do it. This New York.

Do it or don't. Yeah, it's ridiculous. All right, this next story is from education. I'm going to read you a quote, and I'm going to see your reaction. This is about from an eighth grade teacher. The kids I teach are rude and feral. They refuse to read or treat others with the slightest bit of decency, give up at the first sign of difficulty and possess the attention span of goldfish.

It only seems to be getting worse of each passing year. The kids get dumber, and the regard for learning keeps cratering. With the coming cuts to public education, is it worth even continuing to be a teacher at this point? Signed, exercise in futility. Oh man, I was like, did that, was that interview done at a bar? Like, that sounds like I just got off work talk right there. Good gracious. Now, first of all, a lot of those descriptions have held for eighth graders for quite a long time.

I contend seventh and eighth graders are the worst people in the world. But the idea. Not to be sex, but seven and eighth grade girls. Yeah, well, I mean, honestly, as a seventh and eighth grade boy once upon a time, I never thought that we were any better. Like, I just feel like it's all. That's my three sisters talking. gotcha, gotcha.

But I just thought, I don't know how much you have to love kids or how few other options you must have in this day and age to still be a school teacher. Right? Like, it is, I can't imagine how difficult it's gotten. And if you reach a point where I think, also I think what we're dealing with now was a little bit of a lag of people who are used to what school is,

being something according to the older paradigm, and a new paradigm has arrived that still feels weird. I think if you came up under the other paradigm, but at some point we're going to have a bunch of teachers who are the same as the kids that they have right now, who came up with the same tools, the same sheets, who came up under the same, you know, educational system that they did, and maybe they won't find it to be nearly as crazy. But I do think that for people who have been doing that job for a long time, I can't imagine what it is year after year. Like, I keep reading these things about college professors and how their students are so attached to Chad GPT and can't do without it. And my question is, how were you allowed to get this far running that game?

It just got, like, what in the world? Yeah, we also heard a long description of how terrible being a teacher is. And you know, two things we did not say, the amount of money they're paid. Yes. Which is not enough. And we did not say the critical word, which is probably the hardest part for these. teachers, the parents. Woo!

Yes. So teaching is the only thing. We keep, it's not the only thing. The problem with the pay for teachers, there's a historical problem, which is that the salary scale for teachers has a path dependence to the days where

women were expected to be married to men and the men were the ones who made the money anyway. And the expectation was not for women to make money. Therefore, how much they got paid was secondary. You didn't really have to throw them that much money. You were just kind of giving them something to do, more or less, right? Then you get into the place of the present as something that is very important, which is this society doesn't value fields that don't make money for people, right? And this is even within

corporations. So, for example, if you work in human resources, you're not getting as much paper as the people in other departments because your job doesn't make money, even if your job saves them from lawsuits and stuff that would cost them money, your job doesn't make money, so they're going to pay you for so much money in the grand scheme of it. You see what I mean? Yeah, and that transitions as well to our next story, which is about, we've been sold a story that isn't remotely true. It's from Van DeFair. It's a long story about, you know, the private equity and the industries it destroys and talk about things, you know, that don't make money. it is littered with examples of things that are, you know, of private equity coming in, squeezing

these industries that historically didn't make money and making things worse, not better. And the primary thing I took from it is everyone just kind of is holding their hands up as to why and no one has a good answer, including the people who work for these companies and the people who are affected by them. I will ask the question again. When is the last time somebody business was scooped up by private equity and anybody came on the back end and said, boy, that sure made things better. Not once.

Like this is a big thing for me with college sports because people stay saying they want to get private equity into their college sports, right? They get a little money and infusion they can do left and right. But college sports, nobody is really. in it to make a profit. They're in it to make money, but they're not really in it to make a profit. Private equity is in it to make a profit. It's not going to make anything better. It's not going to make anything more fun. But it keeps happening because we've decided to leave simply decided that as long as it makes money, it's okay, right? That was the thing I was saying about the teachers.

as long as they don't make money for anybody, then nobody's going to do anything to make it better because normally the way to make things better is you throw money at it. Hey, we need to get better teachers. We should throw them more money, right? Then they'll do a little bit better. That's that is the principle that works just about everywhere else. Private equity is like we're going to throw ourselves more money.

We are going to strip this all the way down to the, bare bones, right? Like, when I did a show with Pablo, who was a big process truer, my issue with the process, and I was just like, hey, man, you got to understand that this has no, this has no harder soul to it. This is the private equity model. You're stripping this thing down to the studs, but nothing is ever better when you do that, right?

All you do is keep a brand that's associated with it, but you basically build a loser from the ground up, right? Like, that's what I thought of when I saw that. At least with the process, though, when you tear it down, they're easily, like some expectation that you'll get high draft picks and maybe you'll bring in a star. Private equity ain't trying to bring in no stars. They're not trying to win no games. They just try to make money.

The private equity doesn't hang any banners. Yeah, they're just trying to get bread. That's all it is. They are trying to be champions on the first and the 15th. That is it, right? And we just keep on letting them do it. It's fascinating to me. When you talk about the private equity coming into college sports,

I think what people don't, they see the initial dollars coming in, but they don't think about, like, with the result of that, and not that just they have to make money, they have to continue to make money and more and more money. And what that means, like thinking about the growth curve and that sort of stuff. It never stops. It never stops. And by the way, they don't even,

I don't even feel like they lie about trying to make things better. You know, like I don't, like, I don't even think They're under, no, no, no. We just, we found a way for us to get some bread. How you love that. All right. Another great topic. Things that were going well until your mom showed up.

These had a turn I was not expecting. Let's start here. Hey, Bo. This is CB from Texas, documented Shamar Moore Hater. But anyway, I was calling response to your voicemail regarding the time we were having fun with friends and your mom's showed up. So I was about 14 at the arcade. We had an arcade not far from where we live. So we all walked down there knowing I was supposed to be home at 8 o'clock. My mom had already told me 8 o'clock to be home. It's about 810, 815. We were hanging outside the arcade at this

point in a group of my friends. She's having a good time. And then I look up and my mom was a nurse. So I look up and I see my mom walking down the sidewalk. I'm like, oh, snap. You know, if I'm thinking, okay, she ain't going to mind. I'm just a few minutes late, you know, 30 minutes late. No, she's walking down the sidewalk to the arcade still with her nursing uniform on. I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm in trouble now. She walks up, my friends, they're looking, they're quiet, everybody's quiet.

It's like everything just stopped. It was in slow motion. and she says nothing but give me your belt and I'm looking like what give me your belt in straight black mama tone give me your belt and I'm taking it off my belt

and I'm like really mom in front of my friends you're going to whip me out here in front of my friends so I take off the belt I handed to her and God intervened she had compassion at that point because I realized I guess she realized she was about to embarrass the hell out of me in front of my friends by beating my butt on their sidewalk. She took the belt, snatched the belt from me. He said, come on. Walk home. Get home. She beat

the hell out of me when we got home. But she did show me grace during that time in front of my friends. So that's the time I was hanging out of my friends and my mom showed up. Thanks, beau. Dan, you was just at the arcade. Like, I only expected you was engaged in an activity far more shenanigans. Speaking of shenanigans. Ooh. Yeah, Beaumani, been waiting on this one. So a time that my mom showed up and ruined my good time,

where I just had a good time with my girlfriend at the time. So we had the crib at my mom's house. And so, like, you know, we just got done. We got our clothes on there. everything. So you just hear the garage door coming up. Then the door crack open. And my mom rushes in. You just hear footsteps, man, talk about hard pounding. Even though we wasn't even doing that, you just hear, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

Don't be screwing in there. Only ones I'm going to be screwing in my house going to be me. Bo, you talk about embarrassment, man. And not to mention that she was with my grandmother. man and she walked in behind and you know this is after my mom had bust the door open you know open the door and everything and my grandma mother peeks in the door in the room and she says hi gregory with just this big loving smile and all that with all the chaos going on man but yep that's the time my mom showed up after i was having a good time you ain't nobody screwing in my house but me. Damn.

Wow. Granny. Damn. You always worse when there's, where's this company involved? Well, not just company.

Yeah. Your granny. All right. Here's our last one. What's the word, Bo? This J.D. from Boston.

I've got to condense the story a little bit for third times of a jump. So this is 2008. I'm a junior in high school. I'm at this young lady's house. She invited me over to kick it

with her and our moms. Now, mom's is playing in the lead and so that's when you know we think the parties won't start so we watching a movie boom mom's leaves i got in my bag the DVD for ATL don't know why ATL was an aphrodisiac certain part of the movie you know what time it is so we watch an ATL goes off you know as planned so we go to shorties room studying you feel me next thing you know way early than expected mom dukes comes home and you know I'm like She hears it.

I'm like, nah, that ain't. You know, I'm studying. You feel me? But she's like, nah, that's her. So, plan is for me to jump under the bed. She's going to pretend like he's sleeping. I'm just, you know, tiptoe out of there. So, you know, playing's going well, probably like five minutes.

And mom comes banging on the door. Boom, boom, where's he at? Where's he at? She's like, no. He's always like, oh, he left. He's like, nope. I see his shoes. I'm like, damn, left my shoes out there.

So I'm under the bed. Mom's and like, nope, I know he's here. Where's he at? so, you know, I got to take accountability for this one. So I get up, you know, comes from out under the bed. I'm thinking mom's going to bug out. But, you know, she was gracious under them circumstances. It's like two in the morning.

This is pre-driver's license days. And so, you know, there's no buses running, nothing like that. So she's like, look, you know what I'm saying? You can go sleep on the couch. In the morning time, you got to bounce. But I was so ashamed, bro. But I was like, nah. So I just took that walk, man.

You know, I walked all the way home, bro. And, you know, I ain't get to finish my study plan, but it was wild because, you know, the whole time in my mind I got that biggie on my mind. That do-doo-doo-doo, dude. Can't wait to tell my homie's peace, beau. Appreciate you. Yo, he snapped into action, right? You got under that bill. Then it was like, I, cool.

I got this. I'm straight. I'm good. But nope. Got caught slipping. That is a... A kid in high school story have ever heard one.

Oh my God, that could have worked out so much worse, though. Yeah. Like, and, and... Yeah. That actually, as I hear that, I'm like, that's pretty bad,

but worst case scenario was definitely fathered away from now. But, nah, nah, he ain't here. Why his shoes I hear? Got me there. Got me there. I, I... So here's the question.

Did he actually improve his situation by telling on himself? Because I don't know could he possibly have held out long enough to where he would have been able to get out? Because I don't think so. I think he had that, especially at that hour, if we're talking two in the morning, I think. Yeah. Like, nothing good happens after 2 a.m.

Well, not true. It was something great was about to happen for him. But the worst thing that could happen after 2 a.m. Half. Yes. She pulled up. Absolutely. All right.

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