The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Reacting to NFL Free Agency: Geno Smith, DK Metcalf, Myles Garrett and More | 3.10

Episode Date: March 10, 2025

On today's episode of The Right Time, Bomani Jones discusses the latest in NFL free agency. Bo starts the show by reacting to the vast amount of unexpected NFL news including Geno Smith being traded to the Raiders (4:15), why Sam Darnold will end up in Seattle (7:26), and if DK Metcalf getting paid means George Pickens will want a new contract as well. (12:54) Next, Bo revisits his thoughts on Myles Garrett after he re-signed with the Cleveland Browns (14:50), by saying he is the greatest player in their franchise's history since Jim Brown and what this contract extension means for Micah Parsons. (19:33) And finally, we have another round of If You Haven't Heard stories involving why America is persecuting its teachers, 'boomers' trying to get one last job before retirement (28:03), and why Tulsa is aiming to be the next big tech city. Then Bomani listens to some voicemails about the time you tried your mom or dad. (41:38) If You Haven't Heard Contributors:  Clay Risen, Author of the forthcoming Red Scare: Blacklists, McCarthyism, and the Making of Modern America. “When America Persecutes Its Teachers” (The Atlantic) https://bit.ly/3Fh65FJ  Nicholas Lalla, Author of Reinventing the Heartland.“ A Case for Turning Tulsa Into the Next Big Tech Hub” (Wired) https://bit.ly/3QUXFGp  Noah Sheidlower, Economy Reporter with Business Insider “Boomers are struggling to land that one last job before they hit retirement” https://bit.ly/3FdfjCN  . . . Subscribe to The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Spotify, Apple or wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok for all the best moments from the show. Download Full Podcast Here: Spotify:  https://open.spotify.com/show/6N7fDvgNz2EPDIOm49aj7M?si=FCb5EzTyTYuIy9-fWs4rQA&nd=1&utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Apple:  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-right-time-with-bomani-jones/id982639043?utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Follow The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Social Media:  http://lnk.to/therighttime Subscribe to Supercast for Ad-Free Episodes: https://righttime.supercast.com/ Support the Show: Discover faster, more reliable search with Perplexity today. Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at perplexity.com! https://pplx.ai/bomani-jones  When any player scores 50 or more points in a game, DashPass members save 50% on an order, up to $10 off. Use promo code NBA50 to redeem. See further terms and conditions at https://drd.sh/8ONpZP/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time of Wave Original presented by Perplexity. My name is Beaumani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. We're going to do a big old I told you so about Miles Garrett in just a little bit. But I got to be honest with you. I did not realize the NFL free agency was starting this week because generally speaking, I don't find NFL free agency to be but so interesting. The reason is very simple.

Nobody that's really good becomes a free agent in the NFL. That's just not really how it goes. Cats get re-signed. We're going to talk more about that with the Miles Garris situation. But like the salad days of NBA free agency, which really like 15 years ago, but you can even take it back almost 30 to win shableness. went to Los Angeles.

Like NBA Free Agency normally get it crack. And NFL Free Agency is like, yeah, I guess I have to say, though, that I was getting ready to do this show. And Sean sent me some texts about transactions that had taken place. And Sean, I have to tell you, I had no idea, idiot, that shit had happened. And when you sent it to me, I was like, oh, hey, look at the NFL. Yeah, I feel like, you know, like everyone knows what day NFL free agency is, but NBA Free Agency has such a more like specific time in my brain where I know like,

oh, like, Fourth of July weekend, I know I can expect this stuff. The NFL Free Agency always sneaks up on me. So when like these things happen, I'm like, oh, shoot, like Devante Adams is on another team. D.K. McEv's on another team. What the heck? Well, what is I'm saying? Let me tell you how it's progress for me, right? And that'll get to my overarching theme, which is, and I told you so from I believe last Monday show. But you sent me to text.

It said, a couple topics for tomorrow. Miles Garrett contract, Gino Smith, apparently the Steelers weren't Darnold. I had no idea what was going on with Gino Smith. I was afraid he got arrested. I go to log on to the website to find out what is taking place

and I find out that D.K. Metcalf has been traded and then I see that Gino Smith has been traded to the Raiders. And I'm like, oh, okay, then you tell me this thing about the Steelers possibly wanting Sam Donald, but I am inclined to believe that Sam Donald is going to go to

Seattle. I think that makes a little bit more sense in this situation. But then, Sean, I'm watching TV this morning and they try to tell me on ESPN that Aaron Rogers is the option. And for the Steelers who just traded for D.K. McK. McHap, they got him from Seattle. That's how that all comes together. And I have to say, that was a collection of what? The Rogers Steelers one this morning was one I woke up to. And you mentioned it once we hopped on. It's like, this is the sleepy Monday of the year given the daylight savings. And I woke up being like, I think I'm dreaming. Like, Rogers to Steelers? Tomlin? With Tomlin? Like, that's the weirdest sentence I've ever seen. Okay. So I'm going to get to all of this, right? I'm going to do a kind of, you know how I get down.

I'm going to try to get point by point by point in this, right? Now, my I told you so from last week, ladies and gentlemen, is very simple. It's not a giant I told you so. It's just an illustration of a point that I tried to make to you last week. And that point that I tried to make last week was If you do not have a quarterback, that just stays on your back like humidity. It's just right there. It's just sweaty. You're nervous all the time. And you just got to get that off your plate and figure out what are we going to do about a quarterback.

That appears to be what the Raiders said, right? Now, the Raiders have the number six pick in the draft. I think it is reasonable to presume that if the Raiders want to Chodor Sanders, they could get him with the number six pick in the draft. I think it looks clear to me that is not what they want to do. So Pete Carroll did what is very often the case that people do, especially old people, who's somebody at my old job that I think could potentially do this job? And the person at his old job was Gino Smith,

who might be literally the most accurate quarterback in the NFL right now. The Raiders got him for a third round pick. This is not a move for the future, okay? This is not a quarterback that makes them great, given everything else they do. or do not have, but it is a quarterback. He is a mid-tier starter in the NFL at this point. I saw something on ESPN that said to Gino Smith was 13 in total QBR, which is their catch-all stat, not the quarterback rating that you grew up with the whole time, the one that

goes up to 158 or whatever. Not that one. The one that Aaron Schatz and those guys help come up with for ESPN, proprietary stat. Anyway, it's not a bad one. I don't fully subscribe to it, but it's a pretty. pretty decent catch-all. Gino Smith was number 13. For what it's worth, number 12 was Matthew Stafford. So, like, he is a good quarterback. I don't think that anybody can make the argument that he is not a good quarterback, but he ain't good enough to make you better than you actually are, at least for what I

could tell. The Raiders kind of need a quarterback that makes you better than you actually are. That is the best argument against taking Chodor Sanders because even if you think that he's a guy worth taking in the first round, he's not a guy that's going to make you better than you are, right? you're going to probably hope that he comes in and just turns out to be a guy who executes for you. Gino's not going to make you better than you are, but he better than whatever they was doing before. One less thing for them to think about. Okay. Now, he has left the Seahawks who made that trade, and my immediate thought was,

well, now y'all ain't got no quarterback. And all you got back was a third round pick. The story that everybody had been telling was that they wanted to bring Gino back, right? they did not. Now, something else I saw that is very, very interesting. Sean, think about this for a second. I have talked for a long time about there being a lost generation of quarterbacks. Yep.

Which was basically between like when Aaron Rogers was drafted and, like it really comes into the mid-teens of, you know, this new century, we kind of like, there were guys. I don't want like there were zero quarterbacks that were there, but there was a generation where this kind of got a little sketchy and there weren't that many, forget about great, just like very good quarterbacks who came around. Try this. Outside of Matthew Stafford, Gino Smith at 34 years old,

is the oldest quarterback that we are certain will be starting in the NFL next year. At 34. It's insane. That's like, that used to be the like peak age median for quarterbacks at a certain point, you know? Tom Brady had 10 more years. to go. Crazy. At 34, right?

Like, all those guys, and look, some of those are just exceptional players. Like, Drew Breeze is an exceptional player, Ben Robertsburg, or whatever it is. But they're none of those guys over 34. They're not there. So, but to me, that leads to an interesting discussion to have because a guy like Gino Smith is, I think we call him a bridge starter, right? Like, I think it's fair to say that he's a bridge guy. He's going to hold it down for us until we come up with something better.

That's part of why I look at Seattle, like you guys played this all wrong, because it looks like he's a bridge to Sam Darn. and Sam Darnold, we just saw this last year. Sam Darnold is a bridge to what's ever next. Y'all just got a bridge for a bridge. Y'all just stretched a bridge out even farther. And like, to your point, if you look at this list, this is the list of best free agents still available in NFL,

and all these quarterbacks seem, to your point, like bridges. Darnold, Fields, Wilson, Winston, Mac Jones, Garoppolo, Carson, Wence. Yikes. I will say this right fast, and that is from perplexity. Some of those look like bridges. The only one right there that truly to be looks like a bridge is Sam Darnel. The rest of them balls look like trap doors. You push, you put your foot on Justin Fields.

You might wind up in the drink, baby. Like the rest of them catch, Russell Wilson? James Winston. Oh my goodness. James Winston is not a bridge. I can't even think of what exactly James Winston is because there's nothing that really applies. Like, is there some kind of bridge where it like opens and shuts? The trap door actually is the perfect thing.

It looks like a bridge and you fall right through. James, James Winston, you know what James Winston is? James Winston is like the Jen on American Gladiators, where you got to run up the down treadmill. Like, you can do it, but he's going to make it a lot harder for you than it has to be. Like, you look at it. You're like, oh, I can run up. And the next thing, you know, that thing is going down and you try to go up.

And it's not going to look good at all. You're going to look foolish the whole time. No, you're going to look foolish. He's going to do something foolish. And look, he's leaned all the way in. on, like, and you saw this at the Super Bowl. I saw some people, one of whom is the name I don't say in public,

who had compared James to C.J. Memphis from a soldier story or a soldier play. And if you haven't seen it, this reference won't mean anything, but that is not something I would want somebody to say about me. And then I looked up at the Super Bowl, and I was like, damn, he's right. And that's not, ooh, yeah, that's not really what you need. But Seattle doesn't seem to have a quarterback.

So I think they're going to bring in Sam Darnold. and that raises a question for me. If you, if, Tyler Lockett, you just got rid of him and he just left. You just got rid of B.J. D.K. Metcalf. You do have Jackson Smith in Jigba, but that's all you going to give Sam Darnel? Is there something I miss it here? Because if Sam Garnel got to do it by himself,

Sam Darnel's not having the mental constitution for that sort of thing. Sam Darnold looked really good at throwing to the best wide receiver in the NFL until you needed him. And then he looked like, what he looked like? What's it called? Sam Darnel. He looked like. like the same Sarah daughter he had been the entire time.

That is what they look like. That is what they did. But that is what you do when you need a quarterback. And now the Steelers have D.K. Metcalf, but they also still need a quarterback. And you hear him talk about bringing in Aaron Rogers. And Aaron Rogers had just good enough stats for you to think he's not cooked. And I would make the argument that was also the case last year about Russell Wilson. he had good enough stats for you to think that he wasn't cooked.

And maybe you don't think that Russell looked like he was cooked last year, but he was not cooking. When they were talking about let Russ cook, you remember that? When they used to talk about let Russ cook, they was talking about Russ like with the puffy hat on. However, oh, you talk about let Russ cook, it looked like he was in the pan.

Like, oh, oh, I think that might have gone a little bit too long, fellas. Like, we might need to chill out. And the only reason why it looked slightly better than Rogers because the Steelers were winning. They were winning a lot of games, and everyone was like, oh, you know, he's a pick. He's a sack here, a fumble, but he's still winning. Yes, yes.

Now, I'm going to make this point to the Steelers right now. Y'all need to listen to me close, and I imagine they have probably already thought about this. The Steelers made the trade, and they got D.K. Metcalfe, and they gave him a five-year contract extension worth $150 million. I have not looked at what the guarantee. You know, Shaq, you looked that up on perplexity, what the guaranteed amount is on that contract.

But they made that trade, and we all got to say things to say about D.K. Metcab. Big, strong, fast. Very big, very strong, very fast. He is big on all those levels. Okay, cool. He comes in. He becomes your number one wide receiver in Pittsburgh. Okay. You have another receiver there now named George Pickens. And I believe George Pickens is going into year four, which is to say George Pickens is going into the time where George Pickens is probably going to want his money. And you just gave that money to somebody else. Sean, do we have an answer for how much money they gave him? Yeah, five year, $150 million contract with the Steelers. Okay, no guarantee. We don't have that yet. Yeah, they gave him to five years. They gave him to buck 50. If you think George Pickens does not want his money, you are bonkers. And if you think that George Pickens is a guy to trust a whole season without getting his money, you are a different person than me. Again, the George Pickens, who after interceptions, rather than tackle the ball carrier, tries to tackle the man that he was covering,

or that was covering him or that has come around. That's George Pickett. Shaw, we got something. So it says his previous contract with the Seahawks had 58.2 million in guarantees. The details of the guarantees aren't available yet, but it averages 30 million annually. So I assume within the 150 million contract, it might be a little bit higher than 58.2 million guaranteed, which you have with Seattle. Gotcha.

Let me tell you this right now. If you think that George Pickens is not ready for his money right now, again, you have more faith in George Pickens being reasonable than I think that he has any business receiving. Y'all better put a stamp on him and send him wherever somebody will take him. Put him on your porch with a blanket on him and a jar where you say should give what you can. You know what I'm saying?

But you don't, I don't think you won't play this game. I don't know what exactly happens when you bring Aaron Rogers. in because he wasn't terrible. He really wasn't. But I do think where it may, it's probably better to bring Aaron Rogers in Pittsburgh than it is to bring him anywhere else because they got such a strong and dominant culture that goes even bigger than the coach that at the very least they could get him to not be

ridiculous in front of everybody, right? Like maybe that's what their thought is that that's the game that they're going to play. Arthur Smith is still running their offensive. not mistaken, which means they're probably going to run the ball a lot, but they're not really that good at running the ball, so I don't know how any of that goes. But I do know this. If you decide, hey, let's get Sam Darnold, or you decide, hey, let's get Aaron Rogers, what does that do? That gets your whole, we need a quarterback thing, off your plate. What less thing

for you to think about? And like I told you, that's really all these teams is trying to do. worry about something else. All right, we got one more. I told you so to get here right here, and this is about Miles Garrett, right? Miles Garrett just signed a contract with the Cleveland Browns, a big giant extension. Sean, I think I saw it was for like 100-something guaranteed.

Yeah, it was a ton of money. I'll get the full details for you. Yes. Now, let me tell you this about Miles Garrett. I think we have talked about this before. Miles Garrett, for what people tell me, is a very good basketball player. Miles Garrett's brother is a gentleman named Sean Williams

who played in the NFL for a little bit. He played college ball at Boston College. Like he was a headband guy. If you were around for the headband era, he had a lot about his whole situation that was quite emblematic of the headband era of basketball. Anyway, Miles Garrett requested a trade. And I think in the NFL, it's important to make this distinction.

In the NBA, I think you can demand a trade. In the NFL, all you can really do is, acts nice. That's it. You can kindly say, hey, guys, I think you should, you ought to trade me. And if they already want to trade you, they'll go ahead and do it. In the NBA, they're more likely to trade you just because you yourself wish to be traded. It's a whole different world. Miles Garrett asked for that trade and the Browns wasn't even taking people's phone calls. They was telling everybody, we're not even going to do this, okay? Miles Garrett asked to meet with the owner, and the owner told him go talk to the general manager.

Not too long after that, Miles Garrett signed this giant contract. Sean, we got something on that? Yeah, the contract, full contract is a four-year agreement worth $160 million with an average of $140. The contract includes $123.5 million in guaranteed money, but it also has a no trade clause ensuring Garrett remains with the Browns through the 2030 season. Well, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. but he can still waive it if he so chooses. Correct.

Correct. Right. Okay. All right. Still funny that it's there after everything that's gone on. Yes. I don't want to play for these losers. Ah, da, da, da, all of this stuff.

And then he locked in and turned everything around. Why? Because there was no way that they were ever going to trade him. And you know why they were never going to trade him? Shaw, can you look up on perplexity, the greatest Cleveland Browns of all time? Yeah, I got it right here. We got it right here. Who are the top five?

They go Jim Brown, Autogram, Joe Thomas, Lou Groza, Ozzie Newsome. Okay. So I am inclined to believe that Miles Garrett is better

than Ozzy Newsom and Joe Thomas, which is to say, I believe that Miles Garrett is the best Cleveland Brown since Jim Brown retired. Okay? Jim Brown retired so that they could

film the dirty dozen. That's how long ago that was. Okay. That is when Jim Brown retired. Hell no, they were not going to trade him under any circumstance whatsoever. And all that talk he had about wanting to go somewhere to win, you wanted to go somewhere and win, but instead, you stayed in Cleveland. You know why he stayed in Cleveland? Perplexity told you why he stayed in Cleveland, $123 million guaranteed. That's why he stayed in Cleveland because this is, see, but this is the thing that makes the NFL in some ways better than the NBA when it comes to that paper. In the NBA, they came money with you like this. All right? In the NBA, there's a maximum salary that they could pay. And what has happened as a result of that in the NBA

is cats will go places and take less money because they prefer the situation. Now, part of that is because they make more money, but of course, a significant part of that is they make easier money. I am not saying that playing in the NBA is easy. I am saying that in the NFL, there is no such thing as easy money. There is not a single player in the NFL that I will ever call overpay. And you know why there's not a single player in the NFL to I will ever call over pay? Because you couldn't pay me enough to play football. That's why. There's no dollar amount that you throw out there and be like, hey, Bo, go hold the ball, go black, hell no, I ain't doing none of that. You tell me somebody getting paid $150 million in the NFL, sound like the right place to me,

because I wouldn't play that shit for 151. That's why. What are you? High ain't no way in the world, right? So they money with Miles Garrett, and they gave him that $123 million. I bet you that boy Max Crosby thought he was the man. Max Crosby got that three-year, $100-7 million contract extension. It was like the highest for a non-quarterback.

even though I didn't recall seeing anything about the guarantee structure, which tells me that it is not very likely that it looked the exact way it did. That Miles Garrett contract had more guaranteed money than the Max Crosby contract had altogether. And the biggest winner, Michael Parsons, because all of a sudden, the market has been set. Now, do I think that Michael Parsons is a better player than Miles Garrett? I don't know. There are arguments in both directions.

Is Michael Parsons four years younger than Miles Garrett? At the very least, he came into the draft four years later. Jerry'd be waiting so long to pay these dudes and it goes the exact same way. Like, that's how you know Jerry's super rich, right? Like, the more money you get, you do stuff like buy plane tickets three days before. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're like, oh, man, it costs a little bit more money. Yeah, yeah, it costs a little bit more money.

Yeah, yeah, it costs a little bit more money, but all of a sudden I want to go. And not just that you buy it three days before, you wait till three days before, because you waiting for something else, you try to see something else, whatever it is, right? That's what you do when you got paper. And that's what Jerry do. Jerry, stay buying these plane tickets and these dudes 45 minutes before the plane leave. He did this with Dak. He did this with CD Lamb, and now he's doing this with Michael Parsons,

and it's going to cost him so much money. it is going to cost him so much money. Yeah, Bo, I got the highest non-quarterback contracts by average annual salary. Miles Garrett 40, like you said, Max Crosby, 35 and a half. Yeah. This is the non-guaranteed, though, that's great. Is Miles at 122, Bo said 122, Justin Jefferson at 110, C.D. Lamb at 100 million, already guaranteed.

That's what I'm telling you, dog. That's what I'm telling you. Michael Parsons is about to, he about to be number one with a buck. it. Like that's that's that's the that's the direction that this is going to go for the cowboys. What are y'all doing? That's all I'm asking. What are y'all doing? I want to holl in the chat right fast. If a guy's just saying you're not feeling the AI tie in. I understand where you're coming from but I need you to understand something right now fellas. It is the free agency's Free agency started at noon Eastern time, the beginning of our show.

Everything is fluid right now. We ain't got no breaking news team, so we are using the tools we got to let you know the information that we can provide you to make this free agency coverage as robust as possible to go along with the fact that, you know, you see it up there in the corner. You dig? You feel me? You see? But also for the record, we woke up.

and Twitter was down. So we're, you know, there's a lot. That's the next part. It's tough to work with this. We got limited tools, but I do want to say this sincerely because I think you're making a fair point,

especially given some of the things that I've said about the futuristic type of technology that we are using. We are only going to use this in ways that are helpful to the show. And for right now, these are things that are helpful to the show. These are things that ordinarily

I would just tell Sean to go do it and he would come back and bring it. He just wouldn't tell you where it came from. But now this is where are we going. But I don't. I don't want you guys. to feel like I don't understand where it is that you're coming from. You're entitled to your preferences.

I am also going to tell you to shut your ass up about it for right now. Because today, this is the explanation. This is what is going to be. Have some faith in your boy. You did. Have some faith in your boy. Anyway, Michael Parsons, Michael Parsons agent just started looking at a whole new boat.

You know what I'm saying? He's like, oh, I can look at the bigger boat. All right, we got this in that Adam Schaeffer reports to Justin Fields will not sign with the Steelers, unless they commit to him being quarterback one, I think that is a fair point for Justin Fields to make. I need Justin Fields to understand this, though. Any team that commits to him being QB1

is not a team that I would want to play for personally. Now, I know it's a little bit different if you're Justin Fields because you try to do what it takes to get you back to that place it is. That is fine. But any team that makes Justin Fields, they start quarterback, them boys are going to be, they're going to do some losing. Everybody needs to get to get the grip and hold on to that right now. y'all going to be out here doing some losing.

That is, that's what's going to happen. Mishon, I'm worried about this, though, with Miles Garris. He brought this up, where he wanted to go somewhere where he could win. I don't think that there's going to be winning that takes place for him with the Browns. And look, ain't nobody going to weep for you when you get your $123 million. He can't explain this any other way other than they gave me a boatload of money. You can't do that. I was just going to say it's even funnier when the summary for why Miles Garrett wanted a trade request

was his desire to win a Super Bowl. And then he's back with the rounds. Yeah, but I'm going to make this point. And I think I've maybe said this on this show before, but I say it in other times, and I think it's something that people need to understand, right? Nobody's going to weep for you for getting $100 million to do something, right? But if I offered you $123 million to let me kick you into nuts,

you'll take that money, right? I'll take that money. But you know what it's going to feel like after I kick you into nuts? it's going to feel like you got kicked in the nuts. It's not going to feel like you got $123 million. It's going to feel like you got kicked into nuts. So whatever he did not like about playing with the Cleveland Browns, all he's getting in return for that is $123 million,

which is to say, none of the other stuff is going to change. You're just getting $123 million. You're going to be miserable, and you're going to ask for another trade. And the next time they're not going to give you the money, you're just going to play for the Browns. This episode is presented by Perplexity. Perplexity is an AI-powered answer engine that searches the Internet in real time to deliver fast, clear, high-quality answers. Unlike legacy search engines that respond with the list of links, perplexity skips straight to the answers you need,

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We wrote a story about older Americans who are struggling to land the way. one last job that they need before they hit retirement. Essentially, we're looking at people who are in the 60 to 65 range who have recently lost their jobs or resigned from a position who are struggling right now to find another job to have right before hitting retirement. So we spoke with one man who was a sales representative for a company who resigns just because of the stress of the job. and he said that he hasn't found anything in a couple of years that matches what he previously held. So he's been working all sorts of part-time jobs and is hoping to get back into the white collar workforce. That we have another person that we spoke to, 67, and he said he technically could retire, but he doesn't want to because he is not in a super financially stable position.

and after a layoff in January, he said that he really hasn't gotten anywhere with job interviews. So this is a topic that we have been looking into and speaking with a lot of older Americans about who don't know exactly when to retire or know exactly how much that they need and feel that they need another job in order to retire in a secure fashion. the issue is that we've also heard from many older Americans. A few dozen have told us over the last couple of months that they have faced, that they've directly faced ages in the workforce or have seen it. A lot of people are saying that they've had interviews where they were told pretty explicitly

that they were too old for the job or that they were going with a younger candidate. So this is definitely an issue that a lot of people in their 60s are facing. So I thought this was interesting, the kind of ageism part, I certainly found to be interesting, but I want to throw this out here for people where I don't know how many of you have ever done, I don't even necessarily need to call it a long stretch, but a notable stretch of unemployment in your life. Like a stretch of time where you did not have paychecks coming in, or even a stretch of time where you have decided to do something decidedly unAmerican and take some sort of leave of absence from your job, right, where you just have all the time in the world to do whatever you want.

I don't know if people fully understand this. This is going to seem very obvious on its face, but at the same time, I think is something that I don't think that people fully grasp, okay? The only thing in this country that does not cost you money to do is go to work. that is it if you are not at work everything else you are going to do is cost money even if you are just at your house sitting on your keister that electricity that you are using to do all the things that you do while sitting on your keister costs money everything costs money so every time somebody talks about what they want to do i just want to retire and then i want to travel how exactly are you going to do this because everything costs money?

Like you can't travel all the time. Sean, you know I've looked this up, right? What if I quit my job and just travel all the time? Oh, you might need a stack. You might be able to do that for a year, maybe two. But there are limitations to how much of that you could do. And, you know, I got people in my life, like my in-laws, like they're both technically retired, but my father-in-law is a doctor and is like, why wouldn't I work two to three

days a week part time because he's like, I still want to travel. I still want to go these places. And he's like, my money's only getting drained if I'm not working. You know, there's only a surplus. No matter of how much pension, no matter how much you save. And, you know, it's clear that like in this article, some people are doing Uber for 35 hours a week as in their retirement just to have some spending money. Because like you said, things are getting more expensive and you can't go. So you can't step out the door without spending money these days. Yeah. And you got to pay tax on. your own money, you know what I'm saying? When they pay it out.

Now, somebody here, Jets fan 051, which is basically just saying loser 051, he says, it costs money to go to work. Duh, yeah, we know, gas, you get my point. After you get there, you get paid to go to work. Everything else, you're not getting money after you get there. It's not happening, right? So I get it where people are trying to hit for that one last lick before they can go in. The other part, too, man, ain't no telling how long you're going to.

Liddy Day, baby, you need to get that stack. A, no telling how long you're going to live. And B, I don't know if you guys have been watching the news, but things look and feel a little fraught. Is that the term? Very fair. Almost an understanding. Yeah.

Yeah, a little fraught. A little fraught. Like, you just need to do what you can, why you can, when you can. There you go. Shout out to the old folks. I don't even blame you. Don't blame them at all. Here's our next one.

Hello, my name is Clay Risen, and I'm the author of the book Red Scare, Blacklist, McCarthyism, and the Making of Modern America. I recently wrote an article in the Atlantic entitled When America Persecutes Its Teachers, which looked back at the era of anti-communist hysteria in the 1940s and 50s in its impact on the country's education system. The Red Scare was more than just a period of heightened attention to communist subversion. It was also a time in which all sorts of progressive ideas became suspect, and the people who held them were harassed, interrogated, threatened, and fired. Especially in big cities, teachers were indeed a progressive bunch. A few had become communists in the 1930s, a handful still were. And for a while, they had been able to bring their ideas to the classroom, not communism itself, but ideas that communists shared with the broader left about civil rights, women's rights, and foreign affairs.

When the culture turned against those ideas, teachers were among the biggest targets. Today, we can hear echoes of the Red Scare campaign against teachers and the Trump administration's orders to end diversity programs and education. Several states, most notably Florida, have ordered schools and colleges to restrict or eliminate courses on topics like gender, while groups such as Moms for Liberty have rallied parents to police curricula and ban books from school libraries. ideological battles over education may be proxies for larger conflicts, communism in the 40s and 50s, diversity, equity, and inclusion today. But such fights are particularly fierce because of how

important schools are in shaping American values to control the country's education system is in no uncertain terms to control the country's future. So here's what I found so fascinating about this story, right? And shout out to Clay. That's how you do your shout out. This article was in the Atlantic, but he's like, I wrote a book. Love it. Yes, yeah, yeah, wait a no shade, big dog, I see you. I respect a guy. When they were calling people communists in the 40s and 50s, there were actual communists

still running around. There really aren't that many of them, right? Like, I remember I was in graduate school. It was about 25 years ago. And a professor who himself was definitely not a leftist of any stretch, he made a joke about it. He was like, yeah, if you still got a Marxist around, it's like, you got him as a museum piece. But there were a lot more people who had far more radical ideas in schools and in the

academy then than there are now. Yet what ideas that I think are actually fairly anodyne are being treated like communism felt back in the day. Like now that's just, that's just, you know, social, that's just stuff they say by and large. But like, that's not it. There is a radical left that still exist in this country. Don't get me wrong. But they not really teach in that many classes. Like, they're not really teaching in that many schools. That's not. not how it works, but the treatment is the same. Like just the idea of acknowledging concepts is what is getting this. Not even necessarily the advancement of some radical overtaking or overhaul of the society as it exists currently. Like that's where we are and that is, whoo, just a little bit

dicey. Yeah, I can't imagine what it's like being a teacher in today's climate. Regardless of what city you're in, but like say a city in like Florida where like stuff is really being like taking off the bookshelves and you're forced to teach not facts almost. Well, they're afraid, where you are afraid of what you can and cannot say, just terrified of what might happen. Like, not even the, I might do it one time and see what goes off from there. No, can't even give them an inch. No.

It's insane. All right. Here's our last one, though. Hey there. I'm Nicholas Lala and I'm the author of the book Reinventing the Heartland, which Harper Collins just released. My day job is an urbanist. I work at the intersection of emerging technology and economic development, which means that I partner with cities to harness tech and innovation to create good jobs.

I'm honored that the right time reached out to me to learn more about the book, so let me give you a quick overview. Look, every city in America wants to become a tech hub, yet so few succeed, and that's the problem. Big coastal cities dominate the U.S. innovation system. Tech jobs, venture capital, and R&D are concentrated in San Francisco and New York, leave, the broad middle of the country out. This alienation causes political polarization, exacerbates inequality, and hinders America's global competitiveness. To thrive in the 21st century, mid-sized cities across the heartland must build innovation economies of their own. The middle matters, and heartland cities need to reinvent themselves for the innovation age. Reinventing the heartland,

how one city's inclusive approach to innovation and growth can revive the American dream, offers a bold and pragmatic plan to confront one of society's defining challenges, harnessing the tech industry to catalyze inclusive growth in places disconnected from today's innovation economy. In 2020, I founded Tulsa Innovation Labs to build Northeast Oklahoma's tech economy from scratch. The organization, backed by the multi-billion-dollar George Kaiser Family Foundation, would go on to raise over $200 million, create thousands of tech jobs in Tulsa, and kickstart a city-wide effort of reinvention. This work marks the first time in American history, a city has dedicated itself in such a concerted way to transforming itself into a tech hub.

Tulsa is an imperfect yet inspiring model, and the effort underway is full of rich learnings. From the city's oil legacy to the centennial of the Tulsa Race Massacre, to the role of indigenous tribes and billionaire philanthropists, Tulsa makes for a fascinating case study. Drawing on my personal experience, I establish an action plan for reinvention that other cities can, adapt and adopt. Reinventing the Heartland reveals that urban reinvention requires growth from within, rooted in local assets shaped by the community's dreams and propelled by strategic investments from the public, private, and social sectors. If this sounds interesting to you, check out the book on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, or your local independent bookstore, and follow me on LinkedIn. Thank you so much. Sean, we had some hustlers out here. You know, they out here, they out here getting it.

You know, and a credit to them for both, you know, shouting out the fact that we, you know, requested these articles. Like, I'll put the links for their books on the YouTube deck. But, I mean, both very fascinating book topics. Yeah, like, and I hadn't, it takes a certain ambition to be Tulsa, Oklahoma and to say we're going to be that spot. Totally. Like, you have to believe so fervently in your model. Because, look, once you say Tulsa, the response is going to be Tulsa, right? And then you have to follow it up.

Like, I got my homie J. Long. He's worked in Tulsa for a little while. working there and he's been telling me at times about these different things they had going and I'm to be honest with you my skepticism was palpable you know but no like I say actually not that I think about it I shouldn't be like this the homie R.J. Young he's there in Tulsa. I'm a friend Crystal Echo Hawk does a lot of work with the native population. Tulsa got hey man we out here the right time got holding Tulsa down. Yeah and like shout out to them you know I have this search up you know what cities have in the U.S. have the most tech jobs and it's the obvious right New York.

York, D.C., San Jose, San Francisco, Seattle, Austin, and Georgia. And then I followed up with what cities have the highest living costs? And like, obviously, they match, you know? And it's fascinating that if you were someone who lives in Tulsa to have that kind of more affordable living while it's like becoming a budding tech community. Yeah, I'd also make the argument that while the social life in Tulsa may not be the same as some of those other people. There's going to be a disproportionate number of dorks that are working in this world. What that matter to them. Exactly.

All right, but we had a classic right-time voicemail suggestion prompt. The time you've tried your parent and ultimately failed. And we got some really good suggestions, submissions. Here's the first one. So, Balani, Sean, this is Marcus, got a KC. calling the time I tried my mom. First off, I want to say, I was the last person on Terrestrial Radio

to be on the Unblock Depot section. So I think it was like an eclipse going on or something. So anyway, the time I tried my mom's, I think I was about 14, big dude, you know, about 180 pounds, thinking I was strong. My dad went in the house in the time. They were separated.

And she told me and my sister to do so. I think it was clean up. I just remember she had a broom, and I said something smart. And like the next thing I knew, it was like she was in, like, one of them ESPN classic videos of the Black Widow playing pool. She lined up and boom, right in the midsection. Thankfully, it was like all stomach, didn't go low, but it was hard. And it knocked me over. And I remember gasping.

And I just remember looking at her with horror, like, how did you do this to me? and she said something to the effect of end word if you ever in your life think about trying me again I will end you something that effect and I think that was the last time I tried my mom

until the day she left dessert I said yes ma'am and did whatever she did because I did not want to feel that feeling again especially as a grown man because you can't be crying in front of your children so anyway I love to show I'll talk to you all later peace

Hala what you mean you think that was the last time you tried your mom you're no good goddamn well that was the last time you tried your Bob. Let me look back on it and see if I, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You knew right then and there that that would never happen again and it never did. Should have never tried the mom in the first place, you know?

It's just, that's rule number one, you know? No, no, I mean, look, I understand a lot of people get in the mom trying situation, and I see how, like, that could potentially happen and all of this stuff. And I guess maybe trying your mom is good to prepare you for later in life. You know what I'm saying? to let you know what the women in your life might be capable of. Because you know, you're like, oh, she's just my dear sweet. No, no, no, no, no.

No. Do you have any clue what she had to do to get here? I don't think you do. All right, here's the next one. Hey, guys, this is David out of Greenville. So my story about when I tried my dad, this is a common thing for most kids, but you know you want to try and buck up to dad and anything like that. Now, let's be clear, I've never had.

A reason to want to fight my dad or get buck with him. I never really would disrespectful like that. Smart lip every once in a while, right? But one thing about my dad that a lot of dads can say is my dad was a black belt in Taekwondo. Now, let's be clear about something. Everybody daddy got some kind of story about how amazing they were when they were young. My dad was called Wild Oaks. I'm going to say that again.

His name was Wild Oaks. Okay? this man has lived life. So when he says he was a black gutton Tyco Ando, now you've got to test it. Nothing serious, nothing crazy. I didn't disrespect my mama or anything like that. I was, you know, throwing little jabs at my dad.

And who, who, bo, bo, bo, bo, come on, pop, I got that. My dad did two things. He threw a spinning back kick that grazed my chin. and stopped his fist and inched from my nose faster than I could blink. He was 45 or probably around 40. It is late 40s at the time because I was young. Yeah. I don't have those stories of fighting my dad and that's why.

Y'all be blessed. I'm trying to like, I definitely would not want to get kicked or to be punched. But that man showing me that he could do this. with such precision that he could confidently just come that close and no, he's not going to hurt me, but do it with... Wow. That's scarier than anything. Like, knowing the person has the power to end your life with a kick or a punch, yikes. Yeah. Yeah. Dang. Yo. By the way, shout out to buddy in the chat who said, being a boy raised by a single ball could be tough. You become the dad and

don't even know, but still got to remember your role as the son. That is true. That is, that is what it is. Like, that woman has decided she got to let you know what time it is, you dick. Yeah, tough, tough balance. I've been there, but I think it makes you a better person at the end. You, you was wrong, though, wasn't you? A hundred percent. All right, here's our last one. What up, Bo? This DP out of Toledo, been a fan for a long time all the way back to when you was in

Canada. Just calling in about the topic of the time you tried your mother, your father, and mine was a time. I said the wrong thing to my mother. My mother is 5'240 pounds and worked in the automotive factory making transmissions her whole life. I was about 18 or 19 years old, and she said something to me that I didn't like. And I fired back. with what I knew at the time was the wrong thing. But, you know, 18 or 19, I was smelling myself real good. And this woman grabbed me with one hand around my throat. And I had both of my hands on her hand, on her arm,

trying to get her arm off of me. And I couldn't. And it took my older brother to come. up from behind her and grab her and say, mama, mama, you're going to kill him. You're going to kill him. She said, I know I'm going to kill him. He's got no business talking to me that way. And like I said, that's when I realized this little five-foot-two hundred and forty-pound

woman was strong as all to be working in that factory, building them transmission. And that was the last time I said the wrong thing to my mama. love to show beau keep up to good work talk to you soon Sean he was 18 and 19 when this happened he hadn't already learned that this woman who had been making

her transmissions was not the one I mean even just shaking her hand you know she's not one to mess with she's working that job look these stories don't normally don't normally have when I was 18 and 19 they normally involve 14 15 the occasional 16 right

now both wow and honestly at 18 one thinks in a way that you may have graduated to a point where you now got to wear with all, but you could do, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. You watch your mom for 18 years work a really hard job and that's not enough for you to be like, maybe I shouldn't mess with her. Nah, no, no, no, no. Do you have any clue what she had to do to get here?

I don't think you do. But hey, ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here on the right time. We do this three times a week. Sean, you handles everything behind the scenes. Thank you, sir. Remember, follow the right time. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars.

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