The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Shannon Penn on Giants in Shambles, Russell Wilson's HOF case, Nico Harrison's bizarre racism | 11.12

Episode Date: November 12, 2025

Bomani Jones is joined by his former ESPN radio producer Shannon Penn. First, they discuss the Giants firing Brian Daboll & making the move to start Jameis Winston at quarterback. They also debate whether or not Russell Wilson has played himself out of the Hall of Fame over the latter stages of his career. Later, they break down the Mavericks' firing of Nico Harrison and the reporting that Nico viewed Jrue Holiday and Nikola Jokic as the same tier of NBA player. Finally, they discuss Draymond Green calling out his Warriors teammates, marvel at the progress of Victor Wembanyama, and laugh at the NBA All-Star game's new format. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Check us, check him out on ESPN radio with Freddie and Harry. The Right Times. Very favorite, Shannon Penn. What's going on, my brother? Yes, sir. And it's funny, it's funny. When the Giants Day Bowl news came out, I was looking at my phone like,

I wanted at what point, Bo gonna hit me up. I let you live, man. I let it, because the thing was, we were so busy, we had to try to get something cracking over here. But what happened with Dayball,

I had a pretty good idea that I knew what your feelings on the matter were. But, however, like, y'all had that one year, you know what I'm saying? Like,

and he did lead him to the play. But what was the overall record? What, 20, what, 20, 39? I think it's 2040 and one. 2039 and one. You can't give him that extra loss. 2039 and one or whatever it was. You're right by bad.

Like, I didn't dislike Dayball. Like, I like Dayball. I like, but it had, they had to do it. Like, it was time. Like, it was time. Everybody felt it. My man was out here panicking, fighting for his life. This is my life.

He was fighting for his life going in the concussion tent, costing that boy Jackson, dart for concussion protocols now. It was time. He was fighting for his life. Hold up. I need people to understand something about Shannon. Now, I have known Shannon now for nearly 20 years,

right, like an 18 pushing 19 at this point, right? So I've met Shannon right around the Giants sneaking that one Super Bowl, right? We were doing a radio show in 08 when they snuck the Super Bowl over the Patriots, and then they snuck that other Super Bowl. So when we talk about the post-Coughlin giants and how it's all falling apart, we got to be real.

If they hadn't snuck those two Super Bowls and look, I get it, they Super Bowls, we'd really be talking about like 20-something years of this, right? Like, that's what we would be saying. But anyway, I've had the ability to delicately but somewhat playfully antagonize Shannon for a very long time. Nothing quite like that time when the Eagles came back for the four touchdowns

in the second half that time. and Shannon's wife, who was the Eagles fan, turned on the postgame show on the laptop to make her watch it. Back when it wasn't that easy to do that before the Internet had come around this place. Back with Shannon was a little bit more hot-headed, you know what I'm saying? It was tough times. And I used to be able to send Shannon texts about the Giants joking, but like he kind of, he knew what time it was.

We was all together, right? You mean to tell me, like, after every Eli Manning pick, you were saying, what's up with your boy? Yeah, what's that with your man? What's that with your man? I was helping you cope. And you like, Okay, right.

He was all together on this one. What I learned very quickly, though, was this year, Jackson Dart built, made Shannon feels something on the inside that he ain't know he can feel no more, right? This white dude out here thinking like he's shooting dice, right? He, he's a Celo Champa, Chasville, Utah. He got Shannon charged up.

I can't imagine how mad you were at Brian Dayball messing with your new home boy. And you know what this is? I'm glad you made that point about how hot-headed I used to be and where I am now. You know what? This is growth for your boy. This is growth. And I want to take this time, this opportunity right now

to formally apologize to Jackson. I'm sorry, Jackson. I was unfamiliar with your game. On and off the field. My bad, man. I was in my fields. I wanted the Giants to draft the black quarterback. That was on me.

I wasn't aware of how you get down and how you got down. My apologies, my man. Like, taking care of business on the field, but more importantly, bringing that bringing what, the oral, whatever the kids use now on the feet. Obviously, with Scatible as well. My man, Roland Dice, doing the whole celebration day.

I was unfamiliar. My bad, man. That's on me. From one G to another now, my bad, Jay. Yo, did you see Malik neighbors put on Instagram? Like, this joint about Jackson Dart is like Jackson Darts in his parents' house, and he's talking all primber proper. And then the second he gets out the door, it's like, yo, what's up?

Brothers, you know what I'm saying? Like, there are so many questions. questions, right, that I have there. I would love to know how much Jackson Dart hates Zach Wilson. Like, you remember Utah's own Zach Wilson when he was at the draft and the brothers was all doing all they daff and everything else and Jackson Dart looked like he was in the middle of gang crossfire. I'm not Jackson, Jack Wilson, Zach Wilson, my bad.

He was out there like, oh, what am I supposed to do? Jackson Dart would have been in there like, yo, what's going on? Hold on the blackhead side now. Yeah, here we go, big dog. It's like the episode of Fresh Prince when Carlton Lutton hung out in the hood. Yes. Except Jackson Dart.

Selling Gucci bags. Except Jackson Dart would already be there and have judgment, right? He would be trying to get Carlton to spit his lit. But now Brian Dayball was out here trying to get your boy hurt. Right.

Yeah, four times in a concussion protocol for a rookie quarterback is irresponsible and it's dangerous. And the Giants can put up with this. Like, I get it. If you're Dayball, you're trying everything. Like, hey, I need this young man to save my job. Like, I get it.

You fight you for your life. I absolutely get it. But you can't do that at the expense of this young man's health. And I think that's where that was the tipping point. And what? Sunday's game against the Bears. I get it. You don't have it run game, no past games.

So you got to have him do everything. But it became a point where enough was enough. And if you're the Giants, if you're the Giants now, it's like, hey, Kafka will give him a shot as this on the interim to see what he's got. And then starting this week, we got some quarterback news done with bow on my giant oh yeah we're gonna get there but let me say this right fast i had this realization about day bowl and i said on the last show that we did i talked about day ball and i made the point that if you have to save your job you've already lost

your job right like it's not your job you're actually trying to get it back if you are trying to save your job and i don't really work them corporate jobs but i know some of them terms that people talk about and now we got new terminology that we could use under these circumstances which is on the performance improvement plan, aka a plan. You know about the plan, huh? What's up? So the performance improvement plan

is when they call you into your job and they let you know, hey, your performance has not really been up to snuff, but we're going to put you on a plan to get better. But once they put you on the plan, there's no coming back, right? There's no coming back from that. And so you know, you're daybow.

They put him on a plan. How many people actually, like the rare person who makes the turnaround when they put them on a plan was actually Tom Kaufler. Because remember, it was the mutiny, the fellas that had enough of his guff. Right. Right. That 0-7 season, like after the 0-1-2 start and they were like, we're tired of this. Like, they're showing up early stuff. This ain't working. Like, we need to do open up the office. We need to do something. And they turned it around. Right. Like, we don't like you and we're losing. It can't be these two things. But Shannon hit all.

on it. Jackson Dart, we are assuming it's not going to play because he got his egg scrambled again. And so the Giants, and this makes me raise a question about Day Bowl, but the Giants have decided, look, man, we just can't keep putting Russell Wilson out there. And so now we're going to have some fun in James

Winston is going to start in this game against the Packers. Now, I want to take this back to Day Bowl, because I do think this is interesting. I am curious your thoughts. Clearly, Day Bowl had no faith. in Russell Wilson, right? And by the way, nor should he have.

Like, that is a reasonable position that he had. But as we have established, Brian DeBow's job one was, I'm not going to get fired, okay? Now, I don't know if he thought that Russell Wilson would save his job, but I know he is certain that James Winston would have gotten him fired.

Right? The last time we had seen James Winston play football, he was better than the last time we'd see Russell Wilson play football. You could argue, right? Right. All these situations, where Russell had been coming in there during these concussions,

that could have very easily been James Winston. It said, Dayball, new, hell no, he is going to get me fire. No chance. No chance. Now, Kafka is like, I'll never get this job if Russell Wilson is the quarterback. And that's the thing with James is high risk, high reward. And that's the thing. Like, James is going to throw a ton of picks, but he's going to let that thing go, too. And you thought initially with Russ, it was like, hey, he's great at the deep pass.

But then at some point, Russ forgot how to throw the deep pass. Russ forgot how to throw period. As we saw in that Kansas City game and as we saw this past week in Chicago, like Russ forgot how to throw the ball and he just looked old. And you couldn't, as the Giants, you can't move forward with that. So at least with James, you're going to have some fun. Like, that's the thing. You got to still be selling tickets.

You got to sell something to your team, especially with your most likely a franchise quarterback going to be out for some time. You had to sell something. You couldn't sell to your fans moving forward. Like, hey, for the rest of this year, you're going to get a lot more of he's Russell Wilson. You couldn't do that. You couldn't do that.

So at least with James is going to be entertaining. He can run around. We can get those pre-game speeches now. He might eat a dub or let him be taking losses. Like at least you have something to watch as compared to what Russ wasn't able to give you down the stretch of the season. People really like James. They enjoy James. They enjoy.

I told you, man. I still can't believe. I ran up on him in the Morningside Park on a Sunday morning in the summer of 2024. I have no idea why. he was there. So what is interesting to be, though, like Russell Wilson and James Winston are kind of sort of different sides

of the same coin, which is many find each of them to be a bit disingenuous. Right. But James does it in the fun way. Right. James is absolutely trying to win you over, but I don't feel like he's not who he is,

but he tries to win you over. I have no idea who Russell Wilson is. I got a real good handle of James, what James Williams, it is. The problem is also some indications of what he might be capable of. But I know exactly who he is and it's fun

when it's fun. Right. And that's the thing with Russ. At times he's come off as disingenuous, whereas like James, hey, the character that is James is the character that you're going to get. You know, when the, when the cameras are on and when they're off. And teammates seem to gravitate around

that, gravitate towards that. Excuse me. So with Russ, that wasn't the case. You can just tell. It's like Like, yes, both guys are deep rooted in their faith, but it seemed at time that although, see if this makes sense. Although James preached, Russ came off as more preachy. Yeah, he did. But it's weird because Jameses sound exactly like the preacher you shouldn't trust. What was David Allen Gray-O. Martin?

That's his character. Yeah, yeah, James is exactly, James explained into me why my money ain't going nowhere that I can see. Right? James, James, James is explaining to you why God sent that Cadillac. Why, it was imperative, in fact, that he had that Cadillac. So Russ is officially done, right? He's cooked. Like, Russ is done, done.

Yeah, I feel like, unless he's willing, and maybe he is willing to take those jobs where there's no chance you ever play. But it can't nobody put him back out there, man. He looks so old. So my question for you now looking back, if Russ is, Russ that we knew, start quarterback, Russ is done, done. So now how do you think his time at the end of Seattle, his time with Denver those two years,

now with Pittsburgh and now with the Giants, how has that impacted how we view Russell Wilson? I'm not even getting into a Hall of Fame candidacy, just how he's viewed overall because in Seattle, he was the quarterback looked at he couldn't do any wrong. Now that perception has totally been flipped, especially after what happened in Denver. Well, what's interesting about it is,

so I remember when things started going bad in Denver, I used to use the Apple News app a lot. And it was stunning how the algorithm every day just sent me how terrible Russell Wilson was, right? Like it was all kinds of different things. People hate Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson can't do this, everything else. Like, I can't think of a time

when a turn has happened on a player that felt quite like it did with this guy who was ultimately really inoffensive. and I think that that has colored the way that people have talked about his career, right? Now, you say we're not talking about Hall of Fame candidacy. Let's put that up there, though. I don't buy the idea that you can play yourself out of the Hall of Fame, right? If you ever thought that man was a Hall of Famer, then he is a Hall of Fame.

Now, an interesting comparison is him and Stafford and people who listen to this show know I talk about Stafford all the time. but Stafford is probably going to make the Pro Bowl this year for what I believe would be the fourth time. Matt Stafford, because of how he's playing really this year, is going to make it into the Hall of Fame. Right. Like I think, oh, by the way, it'll be his third time if he goes this year. Wow. Russell Wilson's been in the Pro Bowl 10 times. Now, I'm not saying that Pro Bowls are the ultimate metric, right?

but the metrics that people have typically used, Russell Wilson clears them. He's won a Super Bowl as starting quarterback. He's been to two Super Bowls. He's had how many seasons of 30 touchdowns? Say what you want about the defense that they had in Seattle. It wasn't like Russell was out there throwing a swan at Stahlberg when he was getting this done.

Like he had his flaws as a player. But if you ever thought that he was a Hall of Famer, then I don't think that what has happened these last couple of years would take him out. But I'm not, I'm a person that thinks that longevity. is typically overvalued when people talk about whether or not you go to the Hall of Fame. To me, it's like, what were you at the peak of what you had? Now, he was never first team or second team all pro.

That's another fair discussion. But if you ever thought he was a Hall of Favor before, I think that means he's a Hall of Fame now. So looking back at those Seattle teams, like right now on the face without having to look up all the numbers, how many of those guys from that Seattle team you think ultimately make the Hall of Fame? I think Russ makes it, I mean, I'm still going to say, I think. he does. Now, it'll be interesting. It may take a while, but I think the resume is kind of difficult, kind of difficult to fight. Marciaun Lynch is going to be the interesting one. I think he probably gets in because of scarcity at the position in the time period, and he's

generally a liked guy. But I think him, then on defense, Bobby Wagner, Earl Thomas, Richard Sherman. There's no disagreement there. Like, I thought all three of those guys, Like some will try to make an argument for Camp Chancellor there. But I think, but I, but I, he's fringy. I don't, I don't see it happening. Earl Thomas, it's interesting. Like, at one point, he was in that conversation with best defensive player in the league. Yes.

Like, I get, like, everybody looked at Sherman because he talked and we know how, how solid Wagner was. But Earl Thomas was, was the best defensive player on that team. I agree. Or like, Bobby Wagner's going to walk in there. Of course. Earl Thomas, I think people have just kind of forgotten, but I think it's pretty clear that he is going to go. in there. Yeah, with Cam Chancellor, just a reminder, safety's a tough position. It took Steve outwater 30 years to get into the Hall of Fame. Well, not 30, but it was, you know, like a significant

period of time for him to get into the Hall of Fame. Um, but yeah, Russ, I've never, I just, again, the distaste that people seem to have for him. That's the part that I find to be so strange is, I get it. He's a bit annoying, but he don't do nothing to nobody. He's harmless, right? Yeah. ultimately harm. And so, hey, man, we got to run with the point of Ryan made before the show. I asked the question, man, what the name of the podcast that Russ and Sierra are going to be?

Or is it going to be a reality TV show where they go find wayward, wayward boppas, influences, and pop stars and help them find themselves an athletic man? Hell, that can be a podcast itself. Yeah, but I mean, they're going to make a whole TV show about that one. And too, like, It's all going to be relationship-based, though, right?

Like, whatever it is, whether it's the podcast or reality show, it's going to be relationship-based. With a lot, with a dollop of the Savior. Well, that's always, that's ever-present. That's always going to be, that's because that was able to happen. Remember, it was preyed on. So that's where it starts. Remember where Russell Wilson tried to convince us that somehow they had started doing

that thing, and then they, whatever you say dog that was i'll tell this right fast this is being chat i think i think we were doing a radio show together by then um and long of the short russellson got on some tv show and told everybody that he and sierra decided that they was going to be celibate until they got married and that became a topic on television and you know i'm built different than a lot of people and so people would talk about it and some folks would talk about how they was impressed by that and I was not. I was not.

I am not impressed by you not having sex with Sierra. Not at all. Boy, one of my colleagues jumped on Twitter and got mad and deep. And he said that I owed an apology to him and everybody else who believed in his Lord. And I was like, that's not happening, sir. You must be crazy. Hell no.

What are you talking about? I'm being celibate after you already dating Sierra. And there's a dude I know who says that. After y'all already was doing it. Right. That's what that's, that would be actually defined as hustling backwards. Correct.

Like, uh-uh, what are we doing? We're here now. Like, like the proverbial toothpaste is out of the tube. Yeah. Like we,

we hear now. We made it. Yeah, yeah, good, good for you, homie, right? Like, like, yeah, like I'm giving the most backhanded.

Yeah, good for you. But anyway, the podcast is coming. Okay. Now, is Russ going to be bad for business? Is he going to mess up?

up the podcast? I think he'll find a lane. I think they'll find a lane because you got, like you said, the amount of people who are going to be into that, especially the church-going folks are going to be all in, the relationship folks, the folks are, well, how can I, how can I snag me a baller? Yeah.

There's an absolutely a market for that. See, that was he, right, that book, that thing will fly off the shelves. Look, man, you got to gate peep some of this stuff, man. Like, what do they say? A magician can't reveal all of his stuff. Yeah, but they're going to be so much paper in that. That's that, that book, the streets that I don't traffic on are clamoring.

Not to mention too. Like, oh, like the game is so different now. Like how these kids move in these internet streets now and the social media and the streams. Like, I don't understand any of it. Like, I don't know how to do any of that stuff. So I can't imagine the lengths and what. some of these people do, slot in the DMs, you know, fake face times, the whole nine. Like, the game is out here.

The game's out here. Wait. Hold up. Let me ask something. Before we go, we're going to get the break. I didn't expect that we talked 20 minutes of the Giants, but the Giants are actually giving us quite a bit right now. Like, I feel like we're where the people are.

We're not just doing this for ourselves. But you have made a point earlier. And we talked about this. The Giants had started a black man at quarterback on purpose one time, and they fired the coach for trying. Right? Uh-huh. You had fallen for the Shadoa Sanders thing like a lot of other people,

and you were hoping that the Giants would take him, because honestly, y'all had never done that before. And then you saw that they got Jackson Dart, who, I guess my point is, every day somebody around Shadoura Sander looks up and sees Jackson Dart acting like he's shooting dice and be like, yeah, but what if that was me, huh? What if, what if that was me? Points are mean, but with that, like, that's coming after the production.

That's coming after the- Oh, yeah, you're correct. You're correct. Like that you know. Oh, my God. He could never. Oh, my God. Can you imagine he was doing half of that stuff? Like, we could never.

Like, I think it's ridiculous. And I would think it was ridiculous if Jackson-Dar did this, but I thought the door thing with the watch was ridiculous and incredibly off-putting. I don't want anybody 20 years old throwing money in my face. I'm sorry. Like, that's just not the game. Especially someone who grew up with money. Yeah, we don't want that.

If people have skepticism. Jackson Dart, we get a D.E. and have a Richard Meal deal out of that if he was out there. Like, I'm telling you, Chedore over there, like, why he ain't going to fifth round? Huh? Huh? But you look, you know what it really is, though? Politics, man.

Politics. I'll tell you this, though. They really don't want you to do it starting at Cleveland at this point. And it's funny you bring up, I was mentioning to somebody yesterday after we had the news that Travis Hunter was going to be out for the remainder of the year. That Colorado run seems so long ago now. Like it doesn't it? Like think about it.

That Shador, Travis Hunter, Dionne Sanders, Colorado, the top of the news stack every week, weekend and week out for two straight seasons. That seems like such a long time ago. Well, what's interesting is it proves it was really about the players. Like, Dio was the start. but the coach couldn't sustain it. It was about the players. And they got some guys, right?

That maybe at some point it could happen. I did see somewhere on the internet with one of them spam accounts to try to make the argument about whether or not Colorado might be thinking about firing Dion Sanders. Shee. Dion could go win four, five games a year for them for 15 years. And as long as they're selling tickets, right?

They'll be happy. The only problem is, hey, man, boy, is going to stop going. But that's the part too. Like, that's the part too. Like, you can sell me in a dream, but we got to start, we got to start winning some games, too. Like, I can't be out here, you know,

coming as a five-star recruiting and my stop dropping, you know? Well, is Diago going to be willing to change the way he's done this and, like, the strict transfer thing, that's not going to work. Like, you're going to have to have some young boys. You know, look, Kersignetti up there at Indiana, he did a super transfer wave, but it was all like his guys. His own guys, though, right. You know, from another place.

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All right, we are back with my man, Shannon Penn and Nico Harrison. They finally put him out of his misery. We have recorded a show on the hypothetical of Nico getting fired, but we didn't know he was going to get fired between the recording and the actual show, which by the way, it was like a three-hour span. They announced what time they were going to fire him. They're like, yo, 10 o'clock Central,

he going to walk in and he going to get fired. Like, if you knew that, do you rehearse, do you like rehearse the fire rate? Like, look, check this out. Look, here's what we're going to do. Look, we're getting rid of old boy at this time, right? So we're going to have him come in, right? You just sit there and we can act like it's going to be a regular meeting

or do come in. That's when we draft the buy hour on. I tell you this, though, if I'm Nico and I get that tweet. And I mean, first of all, when they was like Nico come in here at 10, he knew what was going on. But number two, and this is the real talk, man. I know how HR stuff go, man. You do that at 8 o'clock in the morning.

You do that before anybody else come to work. You know what I'm saying? You let him come in and then you let him roll out. Do you think they walked him out with security? Because it sounds like, this sounds like the sort of thing you do so that everybody can see you walk him out. That's absolutely what they did.

My wife has an HR manager. Absolutely. At one of her jobs, they used to bring you into the office, right? And you're getting fired. When you're in that meeting, they got somebody else cleaning out your cubicle. They got the boxes, somebody else cleaning out your cubicle. So everybody knows.

So they walking you out, they hand you your box. So you can take the walk a shot. shame on the way out. That's absolutely what the Mavericks did. Now, Ryan is saying 930 east of the standard layoff time, but this wasn't a layoff. Okay. They shit canned him. They had all kinds of way they could do this. They told the whole world that at 10 o'clock in the morning, they was going to fire him. Can you imagine what it was like that day at work? Everybody in the office know, and they just in there looking around, waiting for it to happen, right? Because there's nothing quite like

when something's gone down in the office and nobody can really. talk about it, but everybody paying attention to it. Like, you remember that time that you was producing Stephen A's show, and T.O. said that Bax was blacked in him. Yeah, this was some uncomfortable time. We were all in the office that day just like, I'm like, ooh, what are we going to do? Like, it felt, it's not the same situation,

but it felt like a boobarang with Marcus Graham showed up after he had got kicked to the curb and everybody know it and everybody just kind of talking to each other a little bit and this thing and they would come around the corner and you have to straighten your back up because he was so hot. And that's what's going on. Imagine that Nico walk in

an hour before everybody knows it's going down at 10. First of all, if I'm Nico, once I read that shit, I'm out. I ain't saying nothing to nobody. I'm getting in my car. Y'all got to tell me on the phone. Right. Like, what's the point? Like, what's the point in bringing me in?

Look, we already know what it is. Right. Like, we got technology. If you, we can do this over FaceTime if you want. Like, I don't need to come in for you to tell me what we already know. I ain't going to lie. I wouldn't have, I personally, unless you just really wanted the joy of firing him. Well, that part.

I'd rather talk to him on the phone too, because look, man, he didn't do this alone, right? He did not do this alone. There's somebody else. But. Did you see this link when we said it to you? Because if you didn't, I can't wait to tell you about this. What's up? Okay.

Tim Cato used to write for the athletic rights for, you know, the websites with no vowels. Yeah. Like the Dallas Sports, but it ain't, I mean, DLL. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So this was in his Nico Harrison, retrospective pose, we'll call it.

This is from the story, quote, one team source recalls a document where Nico Harrison placed Drew Holiday within the same tier of talent as Nicola Yokich. Come on, man. Come on. I can only come away from this with one conclusion, which is, hold on, hold on. There's one of two conclusions. It's really one conclusion. It just depends on how specific you want to get with it.

Right. Is Nico's problem with white basketball players or with Europeans? See, that's the question. See, that was the question. There's no way in the world. Like, this right here is the Tony Banks can play of basketball analysis, right? Jew holiday, very, very, very good player, right? But I said this to a friend of the show,

and the friend of the show was like, well, we don't know how. long ago Nico said this. How fucking far along back did you have to go to where you thought that Drew Holiday? It wasn't while Nico was in charge of the Mavericks that this would be appropriate? Right? Like, so maybe on one hand, right? Nico's on the, hey, you know, I value defense, everything else. Or maybe on the other hand, he's like, look, all them Ibich, chibich, none of them. Don't want none of them on the team. Maybe that's where Nico is. But the second that he put that on the second he put that on an actual factual piece of work product, that's when they should have fired him.

Right, right. And my question to you, Bo, is with Nico, because obviously the lucre, like, it comes down to, like, it's a ton of moves that he made that hadn't worked out, but it all comes down to the lucre trade. So how much of this getting rid of him now was, hey, we're off to a, what, three and eight start, the Lakers off to it, eight and three start. Luke went out and lost weight. Luke is playing well.

Or was it just a combination of both? Like how much of it was Dallas struggling plus Lakers and Luca looking great. They booing him every game. Okay? They booing him. Think about this. Jerry Jones has never done anything to hurt the people like this. Right?

So they booing him every game. Anthony Davis showed up looking chubby. Then he got hurt. And remember the whole thing about Luca was he out of shape and he won't stay home. Right. And comes Anthony Davis on his kick. Then they're losing every game. Then, man, once the owner called the fan down in the Johnson's jersey and talked to him,

and the fan then says that Dumont told him that it was all the mistake, like, it had to be done. There was no way around it. And to be fair to Nico, it turned into Murphy's law immediately. after this trade was made, right? Everything that could possibly go wrong, then went wrong. I just want to get some clips of what Nico be saying about the white basketball players and nobody's around. Did they have to make him take Cooper flag?

You know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like that is the equivalent of if somebody has said that, like, West Welker was the same caliber of players K.M. Newton. Right. Right? Or do you remember what people used to try to tell us, the West Welker and Randy Moss, it was kind of insane, right? They just did different things.

Yeah, which one of these is not like the other? Yeah, yeah. Like that's what I feel like when I hear that Nico said this. Like I would. So this is documentary, a very good documentary about Louie Armstrong that I think Sasha Jenkins did, but it was on Apple TV. But anyway, I had known about this before. But, you know, Lou Yarnstrong would be out there smiling a lot.

I am trying to avoid saying that he was skinning and grinning. But it was a different time. So anyway, I see Lee is of green. Big smile and all that stuff, right? And every night he would go home. He said you weren't going to mention it. Red roses too.

But every night, Louis Armstrong would come home and as a journalist sorts, he would record his thoughts on tape. And many of those thoughts were about how much he could not stare white people. Good gracious. Now look, Lou, you're all strong at that time, you couldn't really blame him, right?

Like, you know, but anyway, I need to see the Nico diary. If he think that Drew Holliday was in the same class as Yokic, right? He'd be out there walking around being like, they call him Joker. I call him Jokic because he a joke. That's what he is, a joke.

What happened to the basketball I knew? What happened to the basketball? I grew up. Hey, man, imagine if that boy pods from the Warriors was on the Mavericks. Have you seen, so the Warriors, I did not realize this. You know, basketball season gets started and I kind of pop in and out, and the Warriors started off on fire,

and people were talking about how they were championship contenders, and then I look up today, and they lost six games in a row on the road, right? So Draymond Green questioned the commitment to winning of the team. He said, I think everybody, I think everybody was committed to winning back then and doing it any way possible. Right now, it doesn't feel that way. Anthony Slater of ESPN.com said in his piece that it really sounded like he's talking about Pajimski, that he says, named the boy, Pods for the Warriors, and Caminga. But I think he's really just talking about the pods dude. And I learned things about him that I did not know.

First of all, did you know that he gave a quote this summer leading up to the season where he was asked if he was to be as great as Steph Curry. and he said he wants to be better than Steph Curry. And then the whole locker room is like, word. So he's from Milwaukee, right? Okay. They're playing the bucks, did a lot of media because of it. And apparently he used to play baseball.

And that man said that if he played baseball, he would be white old tiny. Yeah, good luck with that. All right. So he thinks he could be better than Steph Curry. he thinks that he could be as good as Otani. And what I take from that is, wow, Anthony Edwards is incredibly charming. Because he has basically said all of these things and we find it all delightful when he says it.

When this pods guy says it, we're like, man, if you all sit your ass down with just nonsense, right? Like, no, like we know Anthony Edwards isn't joking, but it kind of feels like he's joking. This guy isn't joking at all. And now the guys around him are like, bruh, if you don't shit. But here's the thing, though, especially with this organization. Like, we've seen with this organization and more specifically, Drayman does to these kind of young whippersnappers who be out here popping off a little to work. Keep that shit up and you're getting annexed to Washington.

You know what I'm saying? Okay, young fellow. Okay. You want to be better than Steph Curry? Look, how's playing the Barclays feel for you? brother, they got tired of clay. And he had to go. Like, I'm all one for confidence.

Like, I get it. Like, to be able to perform at that level, you've got to have a certain level of confidence. But also, my boy, you got to read the room as well. Like, yo, like, that Steph quote, like, I'm all for confidence, but, yo, you still play with Steph. Oh. Like, he's your teammate.

You can't do, you can't do that, my guy. What are we doing? See, what are we doing? That's why we need, like, some old school Michael Jordan magic type. because that would, I don't, maybe Steph did it, but that would have been met with the most vicious practice of all time. Not to mention, too, like you talk about making a comparison to Ant, but Anne got skins on the wall.

I know no championship yet, but man got, you know, all MBAs and things like that. First overall pick. Like, you can say that. You can say that. It isn't averaging 12 points a game. Right. Right. Right.

That's, that's really what we're saying here. Anthony Edwards is averaging more than 12. points per game. I do wonder what the war is. Yes, they had success in the postseason, getting past the Rockets last year. I do wonder, though, because the pod thing is a real thing because they need those

young guys to step up. Like, you had all the contract stuff with comming of this offseason, he re-up. Like, they need those guys to step up because we know Steph, Draymond, Jimmy, they're long in the tooth. That's a lot of basketball miles on those legs. So, like, they're going to have to put up

with Pod and the Podisms and and whatever, I'm sure he'll come up with something. They got to put up with that because they need them dudes now. You know, like before, when they made the run before, that was more of a luxury, which is Jordan Pools and that guys. Like, like, Moody, like, they need those guys now. And I don't, and I don't know if, especially looking with the West, if that's going to be enough for the wars to be what the wars were hoping to be.

Yeah, I mean, look, man, they got a bunch of dudes that are ticking time bombs to get hurt. Jimmy Butler is not going to play a lot of games, right? Draymond Green, I can't believe he's kept this going as long as he has. Like I don't think, I mean, he looked cooked. And in the 2020, 2020, 2020 finals, he looked cooked in that postseason and then brought it back around just enough

where people weren't even, they would like, shoot, we don't care. They were playing four on five on offense. And he is still managed to keep this whole thing together. But the thing with the West is, it looks to me like, I don't know what this Lakers thing is, right? Because the Lakers, imagine how much Nico got to hate it, man.

Nico is Luca, is Rees, is La Ravia. Yeah, La Ravia looking good. Nico would have quit his job before he led that particular team. But I think it's Oklahoma City and the Nuggets to me are going to be the clear top two teams. And we still have the grand possibility of this is the super leap year for my man, Vic. That's, see, that's the thing.

That's the biggest wild card in the league this year. It's like we, you know, injury, you know, injuries aside, like that's the question. We know the leap is coming. How big of a leap? Yes. That's the thing is, are we going from another all-star leap? Are we going to all-MBA top three MVP leap?

Well. Because if that, if that's the case, like, oh, buddy. Let's go get a look at these stats, buddy. Because I know he's shooting 32% from three, which I don't like. Like he's shooting too many of those. But, okay, in 34 minutes a game, Victor is giving them 25, 13 boards, 3 and a half assists, four blocks and a steel. Four blocks.

Four blocks. Four blocks. Four blocks. And this NBA is crazy. Four blocks. Right. where dudes aren't really playing in the paint anymore. Like back in the day, like when you had the matumbos, your lodge ones,

that was more back to the basket. You know, guys were driving more, like everybody shooting threes now. So to be able to get four blocks in today's NBA, that's like equivalent to averaging six or seven blocks back in the day. Yes, that is exactly. Those are like a little bit of old shop block numbers that he's putting up. Hold on in 34 minutes. Right, right.

and like doing, like every night now, like it's getting to the level now because you and I used to always joke, hey, you see what LeBron dear last night. Yes, every day. Wembe is, when Bens get to that point, like, yo, did you see what Wembe? You see the crossover and step back he hit on Vucovich?

Like, yo, like, he's doing stuff now. It's rare that we can still say in 2025 in this sports world that we've seen something that we've never seen before. Yeah. Like, how crazy is that? And the Spurs seem to like him now. That was a little iffy before.

I think a big part of it is, if I'm not mistaken, that boy, Cisco is hurt. Cisco is a problem, man. Think of my brother, hate Cisco so much, man. Why are y'all not just, why don't y'all throw oops every time down the floor? Like, you know, on the video game when you first learned how to throw the oop and you just do it all the time, why don't you throw the oop every time down the floor? Like you play an NBA running gun. Yeah, yeah.

Okay, so Cisco, Cisco's playing. So Cisco's played four games this year, but we would be out there watching when Cisco was out there, and they would just be like, yo, Cisco, why don't you pass the ball? Like, you're not, you not, you just, we just call you Cisco because of your hair. We don't call you Cisco because you're the lead singer.

See, that's the thing. My boy, my look, my boy thought he was, he thought it was blonde hair Cisco, but he was really platinum hair Cisco. Yes, he was. Yes, he was. Like, my brother would get so bad. He'd be talking about it.

He'd be like, yo, it's Cisco, man. Right. Everybody would be so bad. Now when Victor hit them shots, they're coming over to them, you know what I'm saying? And see, and the interesting thing to watch here long term with the Spurs

is because it's the Spurs, I'm inclined to think they'll be patient and let the young guys continue to grow, you know? And whereas if it was another organization, you would start having those questions. When is it time to package a couple of young guys to bring in another star with him? Right.

I think because it's the Spurs, I think they're cool letting this thing ferment naturally. Yeah, but I think it's time. I mean, look, to me, the question they're going to have to ask themselves is the question I still ask myself is, like, exactly how good is Deere and Fox with business? Bingo. Right?

Right. Is Deer and Fox going to recognize, like, did they have a talk with him about how things work here? And that's the thing, too. It's like they brought in Fox last year. They didn't anticipate that you're going to have Castle going to play rookie to year at a rookie to year level. So now you've got Castle, so it's kind of making Fox expendable now.

So that could be a guy that could eventually be on the move. I just wonder how they play this because it's always been dispersed who have handled this or moved a little bit different compared to some of these other teams that was like, all right, we got to go out and make a move. But the bottom line is this, if you stay, you just need to know what we do here. We give him the ball.

Right? Like, yeah, yeah, we know what you can do. We know what you got. Like, ain't nobody saying you're not cold, right? I don't want you to get this misunderstanding. stood. But that right there, that is the opening act, the headliner, and the after party. That's him. Hey, look, I know how you used to kick it over there at Malibu Pratt.

Like, we get it, but this Bel Air Academy. There's only one offense we run on this team. It's only one office we run. Don't get this confused. Don't get this confused. By the way, have you seen that they try to change the All-Star game again? it's so confusing. So I don't really understand how this is going to work this time,

but it's going to be, you know, y'all start talking about something on the internet and Adam Silver going to do it, right? Like, I think that has become very clear. And so it's the USA versus the world because everybody got so charged up during the four nations thing.

But I think people misunderstand. The thing that makes the NHL a little bit different is they have a pretty even distribution of players from all these different countries. So you put something together like that, the we from different countries rivalry thing, I feel like it's a little different. You know what I mean?

They have one where you got to have 16 American players, eight international players, but if it's more than eight international players, or you don't have up to the 16 NBA players, you add more. They have to do things to make sure that everybody gets to the minimum number. And then it's some round robin shit

that I don't really understand. But my thing is, hey man, them American players don't care about it like that. And I don't think that you're going to get solidarity just the world on the other side. Like you were there. You were on the right path, but you didn't go in the right house. You were on the right block, but you didn't go in the right house. Like if you want to do U.S. versus the world, just make it U.S. versus the world two teams.

Like let that be it. Like it don't even have to be on this country prod stuff, but I think you would evenly distribute the teams between the U.S. in America players. That's the intrigue right there. Let me see the U.S. versus the world. It didn't need to be this round robin contrived three team thing. It don't need to be all that. Just give us U.S. versus the world.

That's it. Or if you want to make it North America versus the world, whatever you want to do. But like this three teams, three teams, round robin, four games, championship, that's way too much. That's way too much thinking. Just let me know, like, who's suiting up on this side, who's suiting up on that side, and let's rock. Way too confusing.

I had not thought about the fact that the world get Canada. See, that's why I had slipped in that North America, maybe even being North America versus the world. I got to be honest with you, man. America in trouble in this game. Okay. So, so, so, so the other team going to have Yokic, Luca, Yonis, Shea, and Victor?

And Wembe. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. What? What? Yeah. What team the U.S.

try now? We got the Avengers. What we get in Iron Man and Captain America? Like, what we, can we recruit the Hulk? Like, what's going on? Brother, America barely beat Serbia at the Olympics. We barely beat France at the Olympics. Now we're going to let them all get together?

Hey, hey, hey, hey. We ain't even started talking about, like, Lori Marketing, right? Add a little Vucevich to the equation. Like, there's some co-international players and that, but that's the thing. It's like if you want to capitalize on that, like, that's cool, but you can't make it as contrived as it is. And I think, too, a couple of factors why the All-Star game lost some of his loss. Obviously, the whole trying to make players care. Like, that's the thing.

But I think, and it's similar to, my thought, it's similar to baseball in the All-Star game as well. When you just had, when you had, before Interleague play, the only time you got to see these guys playing was in the All-Star game or the World Series. But then with the NBA, now that everybody got league passed, we're seeing everybody all the time. Whereas before, for folks who didn't grow up with cable or you occasionally see the one nationally broadcast game, that might be your only time to see, you know, the jazz or see whomever. Now we see all these dudes all the time. novelty of seeing these dudes, you know, that are one or two times a year or playing together, that's gone. Plus, these dudes move around so much anyway.

Before, like, the only time you would see him alone is Stockton play with Elijah won, was an all-star team. But now these dudes are already playing together anyway, so that novelty is gone. And the overall competitiveness not there because these dudes don't really care. I think we just need to drop one, like, Tyler Hansbrough type dude in there who can't turn it off. and who just really cares all the time. Like, you remember that time that D-Wave broke Kobe's nose in the All-Star game?

Like, you drop a Kobe into the game. You're going to, I told you. Or think about that Dallas All-Star game when they played it at Jerry's World. Like, you had, like, came down in LeBron and Kobe defending LeBron. And Kobe, like, shoot it. Shoot.

Like, I'm D-N-U-U-up. That's what the people want to see. Right. But I'll say this to be fair. It was only a couple years ago with that, whatever kind of ending, they call it, forget the name of it. But it worked and it led to a competitive game at the end. Like, it can't happen. I don't know what exactly it comes to, but if you just drop one

maniac in here that no matter like somebody, who's going to be the one to hard foul in the All-Star game? You know what I'm saying? One maniac is all we need. You tell me this now one maniac. And they try, and Quazac tried to do this last year when they had like the G League All-Stars in as well because it's like, hey, we need to have some, some humphers. like dudes willing to fight. The only problem is the general part, they don't care about them dudes. Like we don't know them dudes.

We don't care about them dudes. Like you tried. No, you got to give us the dudes we care about and you got to make it seem like they care. Yeah, that's, I mean, basketball is not fun without defense. Right. And look, that was the pro bowl problem. And see, the NFL had this option.

Once they realized that the dudes not only did not care, it was stupid for them to care. Right. And they just turn it into flag football. Right. There is no version of that that you can do with basketball, like how can you just turn this into something fun, right? Because the centerpiece of All Star Weekend has been for history,

the slam dunk contest, and now it just, it can't sustain us anymore, right? Like, it's not possible to do enough to keep our interests. And then nobody wants to participate because everybody's afraid of getting embarrassed. That's, and that's the thing. It's like previously it was pride on, hey, I'm the best dunker in the league or I'm the best shooter in the league here. Here's how. Here's how I prove how. And to your point about nobody wants to get embarrassed because the ultimate answer to all of this would be a one-on-one tournament. Like that's the ultimate, but dudes aren't going to want to go out here and play a

knockout game or whatever because they're too scared to get embarrassed. Like if we got back to the essential part of the competitiveness of, though, I'm off to whoop your ass, let's do it. Dudes will be up for that. The crowd will be into it. You give us a one-on-one. It was dudes actually cared about it. Yeah. Like that's the interest. That's all the intrigue. And keep it game to five, right? Like, make it intense. Right. Go get that.

Like, it was funny. I was listening to a KG tell a story about when he was with, when he was with the Celtics. And Austin Rivers was what, a junior high school in practice. And before practice came in, he was playing one-on-one with Paul Pierce because that's how Paul Pierce liked to warm up. And the amount of shit talking at a 16-year-old Austin Rivers was doing two these NBA players. So he beat Paul Pierce, then he beat Perkins. and then he threw the ball at, he rolled the ball over to KG.

He was like, check up. And KG was like, what you talk about check up? He was like, he threw it back to him, like, check up. So KG was like, yo, this little 16-year-old boy, I don't want to have to unleash the dragon on him. But I would, like, so he dunked on KG and then started screaming. It was like, check up.

KG was like, man, I had to tie up my shoes and eliced the dragon on that boy and beating 5'1. Like, that's the level of competitiveness that we need in the All-Star game when these dudes are willing to play the one-on-one and it actually matter. Because that's when their pride is on the line. First of all, that explains a lot of Austin Rivers.

Just so you guys, the totality of the Austin River story is right there. Because I also think that it's been far enough, we're far enough removed from the time where people don't realize that that was supposed to be the guy. Like, he was a gigantic deal coming out of high school. I also have to tell you, I saw on the internet, Brian Shaw telling the story. I've seen clips of this podcast go around for a long time,

so this is not new. But he talked about when he got to the Celtics. And he had assumed it how good Galary Byrd actually be. And he said that Larry Bird challenged him and Reggie Lewis to a game of one on two to seven. But he gets the ball first. And Shaw said that he had Reggie Lewis won, but only because Bird missed a point game at 6-0. My God. He said he was eating their ass and talking to him the whole way.

He said him and McHale would be coming down every game talking cash and being like, ooh, those are bad white boys. Those are bad white boys. I can't imagine the satisfaction that Larry Byrne had to take every time down the floor doing this. And McHale, now do we know his get down a little bit better over the last few years. He's loving, and you know, they said he was musty too.

He was loving every minute up. Could you imagine a prime bird being like an 88, you know, 87, 86, 87 bird playing a one-on-one at an all-stop weekend, the game to five. You just got a whole- You probably do it. Like if he get ball first, I think he does it. If I can get ball first, I'm doing it.

He gets ball first, man. The only... How late would Michael Jordan keep everybody there if he lost? Three out of five in. Look, real man play four out of seven. Seven out of ten. Seven out of ten.

What's up? We're not leaving, right? They'd be like, hey, Mike, man, the broadcast is over, dog. Saturday night lie just came on, man. Like, we, we, you ain't trying to go to the club? Mike being there just, Mike being there just, is mad. Like, hold up.

Amar Shah out here. We got somebody who can call the game. Tell him, Amman. Tell him. No, man. It was somebody, I just don't know how you make them care. And that's going to be the question.

And you can't, the way you might be able to make them care is if you did it by age. But you have to be very careful how you go about that. Like, we see what happens to rookie sophomore or how that went. I don't even know if they still use that format, but the rookies get destroyed every year because there's such just such a giant difference but yeah you what is what is the um

what is the what is the inflex reporter what is the line right that you divide and you got heat on both sides and also you got to be careful with that uh USA versus the world because if the world team don't look enough like the USA team if you know what I mean you're going to have audiences cheering against America. You feel me? Like, I guess it'll be different if you got Janus and Shay. But if you get out there with Yokic and Dodgich and Lori Markening, you know, that boy Pod's probably bringing this 23 and me to try to get on the team.

You know what I mean? They're going to be rooting against America, dog. Like, I was proud of America during 2024 because I thought America was going to rule for Serbia, but y'all didn't do that. Good job. Hey, look, they might be rooting against America, but at least they're rooting. Like, yes, they're at least they watch it. Like, hey, hey, we got to do some.

That is fair. Hey, we got to find a way. Amen. And if we've learned everything over the course of these last several years, it's easy to find a rooting interest when it comes to those things. That is fair. I'll also tell you this. If you want to find a way to get somebody to care, we need to get Victor and Chet

out there on opposite teams, you're going to say. See some caring in. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Like, what was it? Because I always get it mixed up. It was one that was motivated because the other one was putting up numbers. I'm not sure if they got high school. They got beef going back to, like, high school.

Legit beef, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to think about it, too. It's comparable for me as a wrestling fan. It's the, it's the Andre the Giant Big John Stutt thing between the two of them. It's like, Andre the Giant always hated Big John Stutt because Big John Stutt was a big man. And Andre the Giant was like, I'm the only big man in this game. Yes.

And it's like, think about it, if you're Chet or your Wembe, and you're always been the biggest dude, but yet there's another dude who's also known on that side of town as the big dude. The big dude who does little dude things. Like, think about, like, what an amazing concept Chet was to us when we found out about him in high school and then he's coming into college. Like, it was the idea of Chet was amazing. But Chet's not this.

No, no. Like, it's like Chet supersized. Yes. I don't know if Wendy's still doing it. doing the biggie meals, but that's what it is. Wemby is biggie size. Yeah, except he's biggie size, but it also like, it's like instead of coming with fries and coming like gourmet,

chitaki mushrooms. Right. You know, like, it's the handles that are like, what are you doing here? It's different. It's different. It's different. And I think at least with Wembe, people at least being patient to enjoy it in real time.

Yes. Because far too often when we see glimpses of young players, it's like, just imagine what he's going to be in four to five years. Like, enjoy it now because we know special dudes that size and the injury history that these guys have. You know, I'm not putting them on the same plane, but think about, you know, poor Zingis, the things that he was able to do at 7-3 or whomever. Like, hey, just let this play out. Like, enjoy it while we got it right now. Think of how crazy it is, how much colder he is than poor Zingis.

Right, right. Right. Think about you're Porzinez. I'm 7-3 and I'm playing up against this dude. I'm looking up at him. And he is pitch. It's not just that he's blocking their shots, man. He is pitching these shots.

Yeah. Right, right. And there's a level of aggression, aggressiveness, too, that he's playing. Like, hey, we cool. Now, that's out the window. Like, it's a switch with Wembe 2. Like, he ain't all the way there yet,

but you can, like, that switch is turned on where it's like, all right, like, this, this different. Like, this different. What, hey. Like, he playing like those, like he playing from those parts of Paris that they'll, that ain't near the Eiffon Tower.

Yes. Like he's from those other, he's playing like he's from the other part. You, uh, Niko would be cool with him, though, right? He do play defense. There we go. Like,

like, like, like, like, I'm saying, I want, I want to get a running list of all the players that Niko's like, yeah,

yeah, yeah. Because, because, look, this is the thing about it. And it's because we as a people are a little bit more powerless, but it is hilarious. Like, the black dude that just hates white people is always hysterical.

Because it comes up in all these different. weird ways. And we're like, we laugh at our people under these circumstances because they're generally harmless. Nico, if this, if these two pieces of data that we have received about him

are indicative of a trend, is the rare one to actually get some power to be able to do something about this. And what did he do about it? Got his old black ass fired. That's what he did. Look, he's, he stood on business. I don't know, I don't think it was the right business,

but he's, he stood on something. No, I think, look, if he's standing, was, Luka don't work hard enough. This isn't the culture I want to build. I got it, man. And he was willing to go down with the shift. Like, there's something that I get to that. But then I saw what he said about Yon Kitchen.

I was just like, oh, no, you're just, you might, you might be that guy. What's the line you used? I'm inclined to think you were haters. Yes. Yes. I want to know, when he wrote that down on a piece of paper, what did everybody else say when they saw that? Like, like, they was looking at the phone.

Like, what's the Jeff Teague meme? They look at the phone. Right. Like, that's when, if this was a locker room, that's when you lose the locker room. Right. Did you hear what he just said? Right. Like, he ain't serious.

Like, that's the thing, too. Like, when you can't tell somebody serious or not, when he's like, yeah, yo-kis drew out of that. Like, wait a man, you serious. Like, you're crazy. Except he's not funny. So like, ghost face killer, the great example of, I can't tell him this is a joke.

I don't know if I'm allowed to laugh, right? This is a different personality type with similar lunacy. Right. Oh, what a time, what a time. Shannon Pid, check him out. Afternoons, ESP and Radio, Freddie and Harry. By the way, it is always funny watching Harry tweet

about doing Falcons games as they are going, because he still does that. On that, but see, that's the thing, at least with Harry, like, see, I know you got off that narcotic, but he can't, though. I know. He grew up with him and he played for him. He can't.

He can't get off there narcotic. Each and every week, Mass Monday, see what Max Harry going to put on. Each and every Sunday, Falcons are known to let him on down. Yeah, man. And Piddix is not doing the job for him. Right. And, like, I hope, look, Rahim, we're praying for you, my boy. Yeah.

We're praying for you, my boy. Dog, it's all. they got brothers all over the place there. They're quarterback, the coach, the general manager, and, uh... Yep. Yeah. Yeah. They try and they hard as my brother.

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