The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Shedeur Sanders "slides" in NFL Draft, Anthony Edwards takes down Lakers | 4.28

Episode Date: April 28, 2025

On today's episode of The Right Time, Bomani Jones reacts to the 2025 NFL Draft and the first round of the NBA playoffs. Bo starts off the show with a deep dive on Shedeur Sanders sliding to the 5th round and why the Cleveland Browns drafted him despite already taking Dillon Gabriel (3:14). Bo proceeds to say why mock drafts are for stupid people (9:35) and that we see plenty of college players fall every year in the NFL Draft (13:20). Bo pushes back at the idea that Shedeur's situation is similar to Colin Kaepernick's (14:29) and that ultimately Deion Sanders is at fault for overplaying their hand (27:32). Next, Bomani moves onto the NBA playoffs where he says why we knew this wasn't the Los Angeles Lakers year to win it all (36:11) and that he's ready for Anthony Edwards to continue to "slay the dragon." (39:07) And finally, we have another round of If You Haven't Heard stories involving the 'worst job in America,' why robots can't make Nike's and Uber's shady practices (41:36). Then Bomani listens to some voicemails about the craziest thing you've heard playing pickup basketball (48:54). If You Haven't Heard Contributors: Rose Horowitch, Staff Writer at The Atlantic, “The Worst Job in America: Who would want to be president of an Ivy League school?”https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/04/columbia-harvard-university-president/682526/ Jon Emont, Reporter, The Wall Street Journal, “Why It’s So Difficult for Robots to Make Your Nike Sneakers”https://www.wsj.com/economy/trade/why-its-so-difficult-for-robots-to-make-your-nike-sneakers-47b882b5?mod=hp_lead_pos11 Kelly Coonan & Angel Au-Yeung, Reporters Wall Street Journal FTC Sues Uber, Alleging Deceptive Billing, Cancellation Practiceshttps://www.wsj.com/tech/uber-faces-ftc-lawsuit-alleging-deceptive-billing-cancellation-practices-c1c649b6?mod=tech_lead_story Subscribe to The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Spotify, Apple or wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok for all the best moments from the show. Download Full Podcast Here: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6N7fDvgNz2EPDIOm49aj7M?si=FCb5EzTyTYuIy9-fWs4rQA&nd=1&utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-right-time-with-bomani-jones/id982639043?utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Follow The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Social Media: http://lnk.to/therighttime Subscribe to Supercast for Ad-Free Episodes: https://righttime.supercast.com/ Support the Show: Discover faster, more reliable search with Perplexity today. Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at perplexity.com! https://pplx.ai/bomani-jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A Wave Original presented by perplexity. My name is Bomani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. We got a lot going on here. We're going to get to the NBA playoffs in just a second. Also, I just noticed I just had the homies, Ryan, and Greg come over to the house on Friday to reshoot, set up the house. Hey, Ryan, by the way, say hi to the people. They need to know.

Like, Sean is not here. We got Ryan now. Yeah, I am not, Sean, you know, I'm not trying to measure up to Sean. I can only be myself and it's great to be here. Yeah, no, rides here. They set it up and I just noticed, y'all got me out here, propagandizing wave. They went to turn the microphone into a thing. We got the wave logo now.

You know, little upgrades, subtle upgrades, just, you know, helping the brand do however we can. There we go. There we go. You know what I'm saying? So it's a bit of an interesting weekend. Now, last week, as you may have noticed, we did not do a foxworth Friday. We did a foxworth Thursday. And the whole reason was because of our recording schedule, it was going to be very difficult for us to pull this off and to properly have the draft. Like, there was no way that we could put an episode out on Friday and not talk about what happened in the draft. And what happened in the draft on Thursday night was what didn't happen in the draft on Thursday night, which was Adjour Sanders. did not get drafted. Then Friday came and what happened in the draft on Friday was what did not happen in the draft on Friday, which was Shradu Sanders did not get drafted. He was not drafted

until Saturday in the fifth round when he was taken by the Cleveland Browns who had the all-motherfucking dacity to take Dylan Gabriel in the third round. And therefore, with reasons that I have to be honest with you, I don't fully understand took Shador Sanders in the fifth. Now, my guess, knowing the proclivities of the Browns, and of course, you're probably saying you're so Gipa Mon, you probably could have read about this. Yeah, my bad. I forgot. But anyway, my guess is that Andrew Barry, being

such a quantitative dude, saw a value that was jumping off the board for Shador in the fifth round and then said, okay, cool, we're going to go ahead and do this. And now the Browns have, by my count four quarterbacks that I don't think can like really play it in an NFL level. They got Deshawn Watson. Excuse me five. Deshawn Watson's old nasty ass.

He's still there on one leg. Like he'll be back on two legs and he'll be at least as sorry as he was the last time we saw him on two legs at some point. We'll get to that later. Joe Flacco old ass who Dion Sanders rightfully said, Flacco my age. He's not wrong about that. He's not right, but it's close enough that he's not wrong. You feel what I'm saying?

They went and signed Kenny Pickett, who, you know, if I had told you that Kenny Pickett was Ken to Wilson Pickett, but you hadn't seen a picture of him, you would believe it. Anyway, then they went and drafted Dylan Gabriel, who played at Oregon, and he played at Central Florida, and he played at Oklahoma. And I don't know if you saw Jackson Arnold play at Oklahoma last year. I guess there were moments of promise, but what I'm telling you is Oklahoma told Dylan Gabriel to kick rocks so they could get that guy the job, which is not what I think you do with the NFL quarterback.

Anyway, now they have Shador Sanders. And the question that we all have is how did we get here with Shadur Sanders? And I guess that requires a more specific definition of what here is. And here is, how do we get to a place where Shudor Sanders is drafted in the fifth round? And the answer to that is actually pretty simple. We got here because nobody took him in the first four rounds. That is how it happened.

Now, you may be asking the question, why did no one take him in the first four rounds? Nobody thought he was worth a pick within those first four rounds. Well, now you're probably coming back and saying, but I read that he was going to go sooner. So what happened? That, to me, encapsulates the real question, which is, why were we the general public led to believe that Shador Sanders would be drafted much sooner, but then he was not drafted until the fifth round. How did that happen? I think that is actually one of, if not the most complex, interesting stories in the history of the NFL draft, or at least in the history of

us talking about the NFL draft and everything that goes on surrounding it. Okay. Now, I'm trying to figure out like what order I want to go in on this because I think by the time this is over, at least once I will have lost my ever-loving mind because it was so maddening watching the reactions that people had to what went down with Shador Sanders. Now part of what is maddening about this is very simple. It's something that I talked about the whole way with the Colorado phenomenon since Dion Sanders got there. and it was this, the people most invested in Colorado football who did not attend Colorado, but the people most invested in that story, the people the loudest of that story, the people with the most to say about that story, the interest that people had in Colorado football was inversely proportional to how much time

they had previously spent paying any attention whatsoever to college football. The more fervent they were about Colorado in all likelihood, the less they knew about how any of this worked. All right. We talked about that all the way through that first year. Remember when they started off four and no and everything else? And those of us who watched college football were like, yo, they about to start getting their doors blow it off all the time.

and then they did and people didn't want to hear it because they were new here they didn't get this they just say morons and some of y'all are morons i got to be careful because not everybody involved in this is a moron they're doing great impressions of morons but it was so many people when the whole thing first started that couldn't tell that they weren't beating good teams couldn't tell anything else and it was getting to a point where you were hearing them talk about this and it was like hey man slow down they're not that good right they're not in that place they're probably not going to be that good. They didn't want to hear us about it, and then it all tricked out, and then it went down.

Now, last season for Colorado was interesting because they proved to be better than I certainly thought they would be. And I think a lot of people thought that they would be based upon what had happened the year before and the fact that didn't seem to be a whole lot of reason to think the offensive line that got any better, right? They got better. But interestingly, the attention around them wasn't nearly as strong. It was no longer an event.

Okay? 2023, it was an event. and everybody showed up. And it was the most interesting story that was going on in college football at that time. And so Travis Hunter was as good as advertised, obviously, wound up winning a Hizman trophy. Shador was the interesting one, though, because he was Dion's son. And if you don't know anything about how this stuff works, you see him performing reasonably well and putting up good numbers.

And you're like, oh, cool, that's an NFL quarterback right there. Now, how does that tie into where we are today? It ties into where we are today because all through the season, if you paid any attention to any mock drafts, you saw, you saw Sjutor Sanders near the top of those mock drafts. When you got to the end of the season, you saw him there. Now, by the time you got to the end of the season, you stopped seeing people talking about him being the first quarterback taken. that was pretty much Cam Ward from the beginning, right? Hizman Trophy, runner up Cam Ward.

That was the guy. We all acknowledged this. We talked about Cam Ward so little during the draft. They barely talked about him at the draft. I don't know if you saw this, but on ESPN, as soon as Cam Ward got drafted, they got that stupid long-ass walk that everybody has to do before they get there. It's like 90 seconds between when the dude gets drafted

and he actually gets there to get to the stage. That man took two steps and they was already talking about the trade. to the next pick that wound up with Travis Hunter going to Jacksonville. That man was the number one picking the draft and they barely talked about him at all because the number one pick in everybody's heart was actually Shador Saddam. The number one story for everybody was actually Colorado. Like they were a great television story and they pushed the television story out there. But anyway, you started seeing drafts that would have Shadoras like,

hey, maybe number seven somewhere in the draft, right? But it wasn't number one, but it was still early. And so people who don't know any better are reading these mock drafts and acting like that stuff matters. You have to understand this. They put out mock drafts for one reason and one reason only because y'all are stupid enough to read them. That's the only reason. Think about that for a second. What the hell does what somebody think in September got to do with what's going to happen in April?

Nothing. These things aren't binding, right? Ernst & Young, Price Waterhouse Cooper, they don't go audit these things. Like when they have a mock draft, they don't show you a picture of three white men in suits talking about how they audited this and signed for it. Nobody does that.

They just sit up and they put some shit on a list and they send it out there. It is no different than if you saw that documentary, what was it called the scheme or whatever, about the new Christian Dawkins, the one that it got caught up in the NCAA pay-for-play stuff a few years ago. And when he was in middle school or high school,

He had started his own newsletter ranking players, like basketball players. And he put himself in the top 10. Why? Because why not? This stuff doesn't matter. No one of the cares about this shit. Didn't he care? He's just like, yeah, I'm in the top 10.

Yeah, I'm one of the greatest basketball players in the country. Ain't that something? Who was there to say that he wasn't? It didn't matter. And that's the same way every single one of these mock drafts is, the entire way. They don't matter. They just need you to look at the mock draft. And one way to get you to look at the mock draft is to put Shador Sanders in it.

Right? This drives the industry of the draft. The most amazing thing about the draft as an industry is the draft matters as much as like, it matters for the teams themselves. But what's amazing is they get you all to follow it all the way up until the draft. They get you to keep into it. They get you into the research of it. Now look, never mind the fact that whoever your team take is going to be who your team

take. And you're going to be on board. with them. Nah, nah, nah, nah, you get yourself set up and you get your preferences and you take word from this person and you take word from that person. People love being the people to have opinions so you can read a little magazine here, read a website there, da-da-da-da, everything else. But none of that stuff actually matters. And when they rule those mock drafts during the regular season that get you to the start of draft season, people haven't even actually started paying attention to the film like that. They're not there. They just. They just.

have come up with something that you are willing to read. But you have to understand that all it is is reading material. After you're done reading it in the bathroom, you could flush it with the other paper. It matters that little. Okay? That's what it is. So we need to start there. because when Shador Sanders was not drafted after day one and not drafted after day two, the question I saw being asked by those who would defend him was, tell me how it is that he was projected to go early and now he's projected to go late. And the only way you're asking that question is if you have never paid attention to the draft ever. Right. You are an LSU guy, right? You went to LSU. You're an LSU.

fan, you are from Louisiana. Sure am. How many times have you seen an LSU player make a fall? Like something similar, we thought he was going to go here, comma, but. LSU players have fallen for everything to L.L. Collins, you know, that dramatic fall. You know, he was a projected first rounder. There are many reasons on, field off field. There's, you know, what that process takes a lot of different forms for a lot of different reasons. Right, it goes. So in this draft, Quinn Ewers, who played quarterback at Texas,

Quinn Ewers was not projected to be a first round pick necessarily, but Quinn Ewers was projected to be one of the four or five top quarterbacks taken in that draft. Quinn Ewers did not get drafted until the seventh round. This happens to all kinds of players. I saw something where Ryan Clark's son, Jordan, who played D.B. at Notre Dame, was expected to be taken in the draft. I saw somewhere like in the first two days. He wound up. being undrafted. This happens, right? This is a thing.

However, those who don't know that much about this process immediately went to conspiracy. And that infuriated me so much. Stephen A. Smith went and said that he received a text with somebody who said that this feels like Kaepernick all over again. And I don't know who said that to Stephen A. Smith. But for that own person's sake, I am glad. glad they did not put that, put his or her name on it, whoever that person was, because I think you are dumb. Like, if you actually think that is what happened, I think you are probably stupid.

Here's why I think you are probably stupid. Collie Kaepernick has not had a job in the NFL since 2017. I have lived in New York City for eight years. I have never watched Colin Kaepernick play football in this city. Okay. That's how we have. it looks when you get blackballed. What y'all think happened as you do? Y'all think he got grayballed? Like if your argument is they wanted to show this outspoken black man his place. Number one, let us stop acting like outspoken and obnoxious are perfect synonyms. They are not. Show me something that Shador Sanders has spoken out about. Tell me what that thing is. Tell me what his cause is. He's not outspoken.

I have not seen any reason to call him outspoken. Even if you think he's been treated unfairly, outspoken is a stretch, and it is a ridiculous thing to say about him, I believe. Okay? But if you think the league was trying to show Shadur and his daddy something, if you think the league was trying to send a message, why would the message be you're a fifth round pick?

If they were going to show him a message, he wouldn't get drafted. Again, if you're going to compare him to Colin Kaepernick, Colin Kaepernick doesn't have a job. That's how they send a message. What you think? You think the white man is trying to show a message to us delicately? When does the white man ever showed us anything with finesse? That is not how the white man works.

The white man will smack you upside the head and put your face in the mud if that's what the white man trying to do. And they took him in the fifth round. That's not what happened here. There's no legitimate evidence to what happened here, okay? If your argument is the NFL wanted to show an arrogant dude how to get in line, go check some of the things that Cam Ward has had to say about himself and how well he plays. That is no shrinking violet.

That is not a humble young man. But you know what he is? A first round talent. And as a first round talent, he got drafted in the first round. Guys, 15 years ago, Cam Newton went number one in the draft. You think that's not the dude that somebody would feel the need to show a message to? You think that's not the guy that somebody would want to talk to? He went number one overall in the draft in the course of that year.

I'm just saying, you need to explain better to me why it is that they go send a message to your door. You're like, oh, they want to send a message to Dion Sanders. Nobody has been more instrumental in building the legend of Dion Sanders than the, NFL. People in the NFL have very high opinions of Dion Sanders. If not, he wouldn't have worked at the NFL network for so damn long. What strikes me about this is that for so many people, and I get it, I think that we are using a somewhat antiquated notion of what it is to be a black quarterback in the NFL. Things are not the same as they were 10 years ago, 15 years ago, 20 years ago. I'm not even sure if they're the same as they were five years ago. But this is the bottom

line. I'm not out here saying the racism is over, right? And I am deathly afraid of being the person that's out here giving the white man a little bit too much credit. That is not good for business, at least not for my business, okay? However, I will say this. In the NFL, if you are a quarterback, and they don't think that you're a starter. There's no real press to take you in the draft if they don't think that you are a starter. There's just no real press, right? But then there's number two,

and this part is very important. If you are going to be on an NFL roster as a quarterback, but you are not a player, or like you're not going to play, right? it is imperative that you be a great hang. Your job is to be part of the support staff. Your job is to sit in the room, watch film, soak up game, and do what you can to help the start. That's what your job is to do if you are a quarterback who is not a starting quarterback.

That is the bottom line. How much they like you matters at backup quarterback more than it matters. matters anywhere else. My good buddy Steve White, God rest his soul. He made this point many years ago. He was like, they don't put a whole lot of assholes on that clipboard. Let me give you an example. You think Jeff George was unable to play after the age of 34? Jeff George could throw that football right now. But when Jeff George, when no team thought Jeff George was good enough to be a starter, Jeff George didn't play anymore because people don't like Jeff George. They got to think that you are a good hang. Part of this is a jockey exaggeration. A lot of it is real as penitentiary steel.

And where we are in the NFL where this is progress with the quarterbacks as it relates to black quarterbacks is there are a lot of the career backup quarterbacks. Gino Smith hung around as a backup long enough to get back to being a starter, right, to get to a place where a lot of people thought he might have been able to get early in his career. 20 years ago, that doesn't happen. You see what I'm saying? We got a lot of other guys that we can point to. Tyrae Taylor is able to make big backup quarterback money in the league right now after being told he wasn't a starter. It used to be basically either you was a star or you couldn't get on. That's not the NFL anymore.

That's not happening. Okay. And so I think we do ourselves a diff service if we don't acknowledge what the actual state of affairs is right now. Because look, there's still issues, right? And there's still some questions about like how quickly a black quarterback loses his job, for example. What are the things that a black quarterback has to answer for?

All of those things are still questions that we have to deal with. All of those things still exist. None of those things have at all to do with Shadur Sanders. None of them do. Okay? This is what has to do with Shadur Sanders. I believe. And this I think is very, very important.

Okay. I think for everybody to pay attention to and understand. I believe, and I want to say, this is not simply based on speculation. I talked to people who do a lot of draft evaluate. I talked to people in the media who covered this and some people around the NFL. Okay. And my question was, how did we hear that Shador was going to go so early and then he went in the fifth round? Because him going in the fifth round is not unreasonable.

Once again, anybody who tells you, everybody thought that Shadour Sanders was going to go in the first round is either. lying or doesn't know what they are talking about because I can tell you one show that told you that there was a chance that he was going to quote unquote slide and it was this show right here. I told you guys that this was probably going to happen. So I talked to one dude in the media who I've known for a very long time and I absolutely trust and what he told me was very, very interesting. what he said was how we got here is a combination of two things. One of them is that you couldn't get a straight answer from anybody at Colorado about Chador.

That everybody at Colorado was so over the top complimentary of Chador. Keeping in mind that his father, is the coach there. Nobody wanted to say anything negative about him, which then made a lot of evaluators, whether they be team evaluators or people that do this for the media. That made a lot of them really skeptical because they couldn't tell. People didn't have the sources to give them a clear read. The other thing was, he said that so they've got that, they're not trusting the info, they don't think the film is good. So then they got to a person. place where they were like, okay, well, let's just say where we think he's going to go.

But also people being very skeptical and worried about saying something bad because Dion Sanders is vengeful toward media members. You saw that at the start of the 2024 season where he started telling people that they couldn't come to press stuff and answer questions because he didn't like what they had said. All right. And so then you wind up with people being nervous and they don't really know. And so people are putting them in their mock drafts because they want it. Right. Go ask people who covered the league and cover the draft. Ask them who they had, who they talked to that said that Shador Sanders was the first rounder. Because this guy told me he didn't have anybody telling me as a first rounder. The guys that I know I didn't have any of them

tell me that Shadur D Sanders was the first round. They didn't have anybody that said he was. So it wound up in that situation. You ever been in something at work where everybody thinks somebody else going to do it? Especially when it's something that nobody wants to do. everybody just thinks somebody else is going to do it oh well okay i ain't worried about that somebody else going to do it then you look up and nobody had it done everybody thought somebody else was going to take shador but none of them wanted to take him themselves and so when the guys called up and they do their mock drafts then they went about shedore they're like hey man i don't know but somebody 'll take them and it just goes around in this circle and everybody says well hey somebody's going

take them. But part of the reason a lot of these teams couldn't do it on the evals was Shador and his father did not make it easy for people to evaluate him. They appear to behave. I'll give you an example of somebody who did this. Michael Porter Jr. in the NBA was coming off a back injury and went into the draft. And they were trying to maneuver where he went. And so one way that they maneuvered where he went was don't give up the medicals. So this guy's coming off of back surgery. For example, the Chicago Bulls. Hey, Michael Porter, we're thinking about drafting you.

Can you give us your medicals? Nope. You'll have to take me guessing about the state of my back. Hey, Denver, we want you. You want to give us our medicals? Hey, we like Denver. Okay, cool. We'll send them over.

You see what I'm saying? That's how that goes, right? You try to make it to where you go. that's the sort of thing that you can do when you have leverage. And what is very clear to me is that Dion misjudged what kind of leverage his son had. He got bad information. I think his son was operating on the principle that my daddy knows everything. My daddy knows this league.

And my daddy says I'm going to be a top 10 pick. So I ain't got to go to all these places. I have had people tell me things about the way that Shadour carried himself. in meetings that he had with teams. And it was poor. It was the way that you behave when you have the leverage. And he wasn't good enough to have that leverage. And again, some of us were telling you that as a talent, there were shortcomings.

He didn't have the physical traits that NFL teams looked for. We told you this. We did. So stop acting like everybody was so sure that you do it was going to go early. And then now the league just, they decided to put their thumb on this outspoken black man. You know, disrespectful that is the actual outspoken black man?

Like, do you get it? No, that's just not what happened here. They thought they had more flex than they did. They thought the league was more interested in him that they did. They thought these teams were like, hey, they need a quarterback. They're going to take this one. They seen what it is. They ain't going to pass this up and they passed it up over and over and

over and over again. And once again, what did I tell you earlier? If you're not going to play and you're going to be quarterback, people got to like you. And the way that he went about this process, did him no favors. And again, it's not simply about him being confident. Do you know how many confident black men they deal with all the time in this league?

Like, why are you acting like he's the first one? It's almost like you're implicitly calling the rest of these cats Uncle Tom's. Should do or the one, right? Shoulder the one that's standing up to the power. hours. No. No. That's just not what happened here by all the information that I've taken in at this point. He just overplayed his hand. His father overplayed his hand. And that's where you see at the end, though, once he got drafted, he sounded a lot more humble, didn't he? And what I hate about this honestly for him and honestly for Dion Sanders is by overplaying this hand and talking this up. And basically

coming up with a strategy that treated Shador Sanders like he was Deon Sanders. DeaS Sanders can go to the combine and not do nothing but run the 40 and tell him, tell him, tell my agent to call me and leave if Deon Sanders wants to do that, right? All this stuff Dionne can do. Dion Sanders can go to practice and not wear shoulder pads. He can do all this stuff. Shador Sanders isn't that good. He can't carry the same, he can't use the same program, right?

The promotion of Shador has worked out very, very well. But carrying yourself like a star only works if you all. are one, and in this case, he is not. They didn't have it like that. They couldn't do that. But they did. But they tried. But the disservice is this.

Shedra Sanders was lightly recruited. Before Deion got that job at Jackson State, he had signed to play for Florida Atlantic. He was going to go play for Willie Taggart at Florida Atlantic University. Dionne Sanders, who, to my eyes, has been running a grand quarterback experiment for a long time to get one of his boys as an NFL quarterback,

has coached this young man all the way through since he was in high school, brought him to Jackson State, got him the best player in the country to throw passes to. To that, to Colorado, built that program up, got Travis Hunter to a place

that being a husband, trophy winner and got Shador Sanders, all this pub got him to the place of being a second team All-American. And this guy that was not a heralded recruit got himself to be a fifth round pick in the NFL draft. You know how hard it is to be a fifth round pick in the NFL draft? And do you appreciate how difficult it is to be a fifth round pick in the NFL draft? And the two of them together did that. Dion Sanders might be dad of the year. He engineered all of this and pulled this off and got his son into the first. that position and everybody that claims they're supposed to be happy for him is all caught up in

what didn't happen all caught up in him not getting the pick that somehow you thought that he deserved to be even though the league never said that he was a pick of that caliber they never did applaud that young man because he the one that stood on camera getting embarrassed the first night he the one that stood on camera the second night he the one that had to deal with that asshole little boy uh the the son of the defensive coordinator of the falcons who prank call him. And I just want to throw this out here. 21 is old enough to drink, old enough to drive a car, old enough to go outside and fight your daddy like a man. Just throwing it out there, Mr. Old Brick. Grab the gloves and take him out back because somebody need to show that boy what life is.

But anyway, Chodor had to put up with all of that. He had to endure that. He's the one that's now going to have to climb the depth chart. But you know what? One could look at that as a continuation of the story. But that's not the story that the same. Sanders is wanted to tell us. They wanted to tell a story that put the cart a bit ahead of the horse. And then they lived a story where the cart stayed ahead of the horse. They made those mistakes. Nobody else did that to them.

They played this like he was an NBA lottery pick and he was just another football player. That's how this all wound up going the way it did. But to my colleagues who are. making this a cause. You are embarrassing yourselves. You are playing yourselves. Okay. And even if part of why he fell was because the people didn't like him, he was going for a job where being liked is part of the deal. They did it wrong. That's all it comes down to. They did it wrong. But do not, do not. There are criticism. to be mad at Colin Kaepernick, but he literally gave it all up in the name of a cause that was

bigger than him. The only cause Sodor Sanders has is himself. Don't you motherfucking dare act like those two things are the same. Do not. Have you lost the plot so badly? Look around you. The whole world is on fire. And you think that this is the thing to get mad about? You think that this is the thing to go march on and to go talk about because the NFL told an apparently obnoxious young man that he wasn't good enough to be a starter. He wasn't good enough to be a starter. If your thing is they took Johnny Mansell in the first round, do you think they would have done that over again? I saw somebody try to make a comparison between Baker Mayfield and Sodor Sanders. Do you see how long it took for Baker Mayfield to become a good NFL quarterback? Banker Mayfield is one of the

greatest college football quarterbacks of all time who actually had elite traits. If your argument is somebody took Baker Mayfield, oh buddy, Shador Sanders, he ain't that. He's not that good. But again, that's an argument you make if you don't know what you're talking about. So those of you who don't know what you're talking about, and you know you don't know what you're talking about, would you please shut the fuck up? because there are things that are so important that you're missing. And your outlook is not doing a service to the young man that you claim to care about.

It's not because he got some things he needs to hear. And I don't know if his daddy's going to be the one to tell him. I don't know who's going to be the one to tell him. But he better learn him fast. Otherwise, his NFL career will end in August. All right, NBA playoffs. Ryan, I'm going to do this thing, but we get to know you on the air. Are you much a basketball guy? I am a basketball guy. I've been a, you know, NBA, I watched Jordan hit the shot in 98 as a young kid.

And then I became a LeBron fan for the last two decades. Okay. Well, what a great place for us to start. I did not realize the Lakers only had five playable guys, right? For this stage of the year, they have five playable guys. They are down 3-1 to Minnesota. Anthony Edwards took their hearts. This was just your friendly reminder that he is that dude. He may be the best player in this series. As much as we talk about Luca Dachich, hey man, Luca was out there looking like food. Food, I tell you, food.

Minnesota was eating his ass up. Luca got all them points and everything else. LeBron had an excellent game, but it is not a good look for Luca Dachich and a bunch of other people. Nico had a point. I'm not saying Nico was right. but Nico had a point. Luca looked out of shape, and Luca looked like he couldn't guard anybody, and that caused some issues for the Lakers.

Now, they're down 3-1, right? They can still win this. It's really just a matter of can you hold serve and then go steal one back in Minnesota. They still have a chance to win this, but man, that roster just looks so depleted. And I bring this up because Matt Moore, basketball writer, made a great, great, great, great thread. I had a great thread the other day that I want to find here. And it's about the new CBA. And he makes the point that basically the NBA made a decision to try to create a league where talent was ultimately redistributed evenly as much as possible. It is borderline impossible to build

a championship contender and hold it together, right? It is like the NFL in the sense that once you watch your team get really good, now it's a matter of who's going to leave your roster. And that's fine for the NFL, right? The NFL has a league where you can go load up on a bunch of young guys, hope a bunch of them get good. You can pay them, you can get them out there, play them for cheap, and then you win a title, and then maybe you hold that team together, and then it goes from there. Basketball doesn't work that way. You cannot accumulate high levels of elite young talent. That's just not what it is. This is a country that produces 10 or 12 real live basketball players every year. The league has 30-something teams. Like, you're not going to, you can't pull that off.

And so you look at a team like the Lakers, and we knew that this year was probably not going to be the year for this team. They just performed well in the regular season to make us think that, okay, maybe they could make a run at this. But it is sad that a team that has Luca Dodgers and LeBron James isn't in a position really to have much else. This is what happened with Milwaukee. Milwaukee doesn't have enough guys. Now, they're super cooked because it looks like Dame Liver might have torn his Achilles, which means that Yonis is on the first thing smoking out of town in all likelihood. and that whole thing comes apart.

Good thing they got that one championship. But you see how hard it was for them to keep whatever it was they had together. And that was before the second apron situation came into play. And so the league has created a situation where you better win this when you have it because you're not going to be able to keep that team together. Denver, they are struggling to keep with that thing together. Boston is going to have to take that thing down if they don't get it going at some point. Let's see how long this goes in Cleveland with the collection of players they have.

It is a league where you got a bunch of good players, that's fine, but you're not going to be allowed to keep them. And I'm just asking, who asked for that? And the only people that ask for that are owners who wanted to eliminate the comparative advantage of competence. Somebody told me that on Twitter about 15 years ago, and it's the realest thing I ever heard. They want to every now and then have a good team without actually being good at building a team. And so you just make it where there's going to be somebody available every year. But watch how many teams you're going to have that don't have that many playable guys. Now, of course, Oklahoma City's different.

And Matt makes that point in history. They got a zillion different dues that they can rotate out here, all these young guys because they stacked all the picks. Bless their hearts, they figured out how to be the ones to make it happen. But I look at the Lakers and I'm like, it shouldn't ever be like that. You know what I mean? for a team, it should not ever be like that. But I would like to argue for the league, if the Lakers lose that series,

best case scenario for the Lakers, lose that series and have the Warriors win. It would not be bad for the league, I think, if the Rockets wound up winning, because I think it's time to move into the future, okay? And so everybody would love the idea of, ooh, LeBron, ooh, Steph, ooh, Luca. Nah, nah, nah, Ant Man is here. I want to see Ant Man against Steph Curry. Antman out here killing all his heroes, right? Took out Kevin Durant.

Okay. I don't think Yokers is his hero, but he's defending champion and was the MVP that year. Took him out. Lost to Luca last year, taking him out. What if he comes and he takes Steph Curry out after that? Like he becomes the dragon slayer. He becomes that dude. Like what made Akima Lajewa's championship so impressive is that he ran through everybody.

all the players that mattered at that time other than Jordan who was playing baseball. Between those two years, he went and took them all out. And Anthony Edwards right now is slaying the dragons and being the dude to lead a team. He has given us everything that we want right now from a star NBA player. Yes, I would love to see him matched up against the Warriors, right? I'll take him matched up against the Rockets too. I just don't know if the Rockets are there yet. Like I think them being matched up with a team that has a guy like Steph that has so much of a pedigree, it's a little tough guy.

But no, I want to see the Ant Man. I carry this. I'm also loving that Clippers Nugget series. That was one of the most incredible finishes that I have ever seen. Like we had a great finish in Minnesota with the Lakers, had nothing on Clippers Nuggets. Nothing, I tell you, on Clippers Nuggets. Like, we're about to get to the second round of this. The second round of this is where it really gets good.

We're going to get this dead weight out of here. That'd be making us stay up. up late for no good reason. No, no, no, don't you worry. Oklahoma City went ahead. It got Memphis out of there. Cool. This is where we need teams to come out here and give us some breaks.

You know what I'm saying? Cleveland will get Miami out of there. Cool. We had a little too much basketball, right? Now we can thin this out. We can do a little bit. But I want to see this. Lakers, Lakers' Temple Wolves.

Let's see how this goes. Because, hey, if Luke is who he is or who they say, now's the time for him to turn it up. And for Nico, again, Nico, you were wrong, but you had a point. This episode is presented by Perplexity. Perplexity is an AI-powered answer engine that searches the internet in real time to deliver fast, clear, high-quality answers. Unlike legacy search engines that respond with the list of links, Perplexity skips straight to the answers you need,

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Now, if you haven't heard. All right, Bo, this first story is from higher education. I wrote about how serving as president of an Ivy League university might be one of the worst great jobs in America. Let me explain. The president of Columbia earns $5 million a year. They enjoy fancy dinners, almost unlimited travel, and a complimentary mansion in Upper Manhattan.

It sounds like a dream job. But no one seems to want it. The university is now onto its fourth president in just three years. And it's not just Columbia. Three of the other seven Ivy League universities are led by presidents who began as interim appointments. Across the country, the average length of college president's tenure has fallen to less than six years. And my reporting showed that the job has become so difficult for three key reasons. One is that university presidents are asked to have many, often conflicting experiences and attributes.

They need academic experience, but also skills that you don't get in academia. Fundraising prowess, financial and budgetary skills, and charisma. The next is that constituencies on and off campus are more divided than they've been probably any time since the Vietnam War. This was made clear by the war between Israel and Hamas, when presidents faced calls to crack down on anti-Semitism on campus, and were condemned when they did so. And then the third reason is Trump's antagonism towards all the universities. The administration canceled $400 million in funding to Columbia and made a number of demands on the university to get that back.

Columbia's interim president capitulated, and she didn't last long in the role after that. Some argue that if presidents resisted government coercion, they could keep their job. And here, Harvard provides a test case. But I ended the story with what I think really epitomizes it. The day after Columbia's new acting president took on the role, Congressional Republicans said she would soon be out of it. Hey man.

Here's the thing about being a university president. Either you are loved or hated. There is no in between. That has always been a I guess job. Like somebody's like my goal is to be a university president. That's all ego, baby. Like that is all I see on that. Only an ego can make you want a job that is really not going to.

win you any friends whatsoever. It reminds me a lot hearing her talk about it, about being a college football coach, except you don't get to win any games. Yes. You have to deal with boosters, children, controversies,

and people are trying to get you out of there the second you start the job. You just hit the greatest point. At least the coach can win some games, right? Like, I can provide this tangible thing that makes everybody happy. Hey, guys, I balance the budget for the year. it just don't go over the same way.

It just doesn't. And at least when you're the football coach, you're the most powerful person on campus. And, you know, the Ivy League, I guess you're more powerful but in the football coach. But generally speaking, it is, it is, it's a job to say that you had. But it does not sound like a job that I would want.

It's hard to feel bad for anyone who makes seven figures. At the same time, that job does not sound like a lot of fun. I would just make the point once again, if I told you that I will give you a million dollars, to kick you into nuts. When I kick you in the nuts, it's not going to feel like a million dollars. All right, this next story is about Nike. Hi, my name is John Emon, and I'm a reporter with the Wall Street Journal in Singapore. I recently wrote an article titled, Why It's So Difficult for Robots to Make Your Nike Sneakers.

The article is about an effort Nike made starting a decade ago to make sneakers in North America. I was curious about this effort because everyone's asking the same question amid the Trump administration's trade war. Can America make things again? And Nike's a really interesting test case. Virtually all of its sneakers are made in three Asian countries, Vietnam, Indonesia, and China. All have been targeted by Trump to some degree, which represents a real risk for the company. So could Nike just move their production back home and avoid all these problems? Well, it turns out they tried that, and it didn't really work out.

In 2015, wages were rising in China, and Nike had all this new technology available, like 3D printing, that they thought should have made it possible to automate production. And if they could have, that would have made feasible factories in North America where labor costs are higher. So with a manufacturing partner, Nike set up shop in Guadalajara, Mexico, with the idea that if the project was successful there, they could then shift some production back to the U.S. But it was tough going.

Robots, it turns out, really struggle with soft and stretchy fabrics that are used in shoes because these fabrics change shape and size based on the temperature and humidity, and robots really struggle to do basic things like apply glue to the sole of a shoe, which are things that humans can just do easily. So within a few years, Nike gave up the effort, and Ndita's an underarmor, which had also tried to shift shoe production back to the U.S., didn't have much success either. So what the article shows is that you can't just assume that if tariffs are high in Asia,

then America is going to suddenly be able to make tons of Nike shoes again, at least over a short time frame. Robots just aren't quite ready to make shoes yet. Let me tell you what dawned on me about this. And this is a sad state of the world. It also probably costs more money and electricity for the robots than it costs to pay an actual person in Asia. Yeah, it's the sad thing, right?

Like, these companies spend all this money to automate and eliminate people, except when the robots are more expensive than the people. Yeah, but I was fascinated by the idea. idea, though, that this is something that robots just aren't good at. Right? Like, what, we're doomed, right? They're trying to mess this up in every single way. But it will be something that if the tariff thing really happens, like the way we think about it, and people got to pay more money for shoes than they can afford. I'm sorry. I don't, it don't. Let's just talk about something else. I just started getting say it.

All right. We didn't get a reporter summary for this last one. This last one, next one is about FTC and Uber. The FCC sued Uber alleging deceptive billing and cancellation prices. It turns out that Uber was charging Uber 1 even if you

didn't want it. And customers that signed up for a free trial were still charge anyway. Uber stock fell 4% when this news came out. Not great. Let me tell you something that I found to be interesting about that. We got

the story from the Wall Street Journal. And one of the things they're saying that Uber does is that Uber makes it too difficult to cancel. Have you ever tried to cancel a subscription to the Wall Street Journal? You have to call them. Like you really have to go through things like the nerve of them to get on somebody else about making it hard. Good girl. Let's get to some voicemails. All right.

you know, we had a great prompt as always. What's the craziest thing you've ever heard on the basketball port? The answers did not disappoint. Hey, Balmani, this is Alan. I'm calling me to have a story about playing pick up basketball when I was in college at the University of Florida. I'm not going to tell you who the other player was, but he was a future NBA player.

And he kept dunking on me. We were playing three on three outside. And I'm 5'9. I'm not afraid athletic. and I have the audacity and stupidity to throw my shoulder and elbow into him when he was dunking and he goes, what's the effing you doing? I'm like, we got Kentucky in three days.

And I told him, this is my lane, bitch. Stay out of my lane. And he said, who's lane it is? I'm like, you heard what I said. And then he proceeded to dunk on me and slapped me in the face at the same time and knocked me on the ground. And he goes, don't forget, it's my lane, bitch.

Stay out of it. that's my story it was a painful reminder that even though I love basketball I am not a basketball player and this guy was one foot tall to me

and he turned up a great NBA player and he's also a great guy but that day pickup court I learned my lesson that you don't mess with someone who's a foot tall of you South Horford right I was hoping

Mike Miller I was thinking either Al Horford and Joe Kim Noah. Like, I'm thinking that it's that run of them, but he went so long into what a good guy he was. I'm going out of Horford. I think that this is Al Horford who I'm betting Al Horford. I was hoping it'd be Vernon Maxwell, but he sounds too young.

It's too young and Vernon's not that nice, I don't think. No, no, no, no, and not that tall. For sure. Here's our next one. What up, Bo. My name is Mitch, first time, long time. the craziest thing I ever heard on the basketball court came from when I started bringing my homies from around the way

to campus to hoop back in like 05-06. My best friend had actually played some ball for the University of Maryland. Of course, it didn't work out, but he had Division I talent. And one thing about him, though, he was, and still kind of is pretty cooked when it comes to his temper. So one random night we hooping, and he's getting buckets.

But this one particular white dude is like chirping with him. We ended up losing the game, and it was the last game of the night. And as we walking back, they're still going back and forth. And my boy's like, I scored every point on my team, and you couldn't stop me. And the white dude's comeback was like, that's fine. You're like T-Max scoring points on a losing team. My boy ain't like that. He walked up on him, and he yells in his face.

You my bitch. If we were in jail right now, I will fuck you. Everyone goes quiet, like, what did he just say? And then that white boy packed his stuff up. left without saying a word. Never seen them again on that basketball court. Thanks, Bo. Keep up the great work. Peace. Hell yeah, I wouldn't hang with none of y'all either no more. Who did you bring? Who did you bring from Oz to come play ball with us? And I would like to say, in fairness to the white dude, he had a point. You got all the buckets but you're lost.

That's what happened. That white, who, pooh, man. Hey, hey, man, you got to the white boys get under your skin like that, get you talking like that. Homie, want nobody ever look at you to see? say. All right. Here's our last one. What's up, Bo? This is Luke from Washington. I've been waiting on this one for a long time.

Craigsest thing I ever heard on a basketball court. My father is a loving man. Wonderful. taught me great things. But on a basketball court, he was a maniac. One day, he's getting into it with another guy. They're going back and forth. Also, my dad got back in shaving and started playing when he was 39-40, so he was one of those dudes that's always telling you how old he is.

I'm 40 busting your ass, that type of stuff. So one day him and a young guy got into it, and they was talking by how much of a man they was. And my dad said, well, if you such a man, then pull your dick out. That's right. And then he said it again. No, you a man. Who are your dick out then? My dad challenged this man to a literal big contest.

Yes, my dad had his hands in his pants ready to do it when he challenged the young man to the contest. Obviously, this man did not take my dad's challenge. So then you just got to go back to playing basketball, I guess. it is the wildest thing I've ever heard, but quite possibly not the wildest thing my father has ever said. Thank you both. Love the show. Talk to you later.

The best part is he said and it was like, that's right, because he understood how ridiculous that sound. Your father's just being the streets challenging the hobbies to meetoffs. You know what? Ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here

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