The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Spencer Hall on Deion Sanders' crazy comments, Lane Kiffin trolls, Bruce Pearl retires from Auburn | 09.24

Episode Date: September 24, 2025

Spencer Hall joins Bomani Jones to discuss a predictably eclectic array of topics. They start by discussing Deion Sanders recent comments on the "New Heights" podcast and break down why Deion might be the worst person to give Shedeur advice. Later, they discuss Lane Kiffin's daughter announcing her relationship with an LSU football player ahead of the LSU-Ole Miss game this weekend. After the break, they react to the news of Bruce Pearl retiring from Auburn, talk about their favorite players in college football this season and explain why Fran Brown is the DMX of college football coaches. 00:00 - Introduction 03:00 - Deion Sanders keeps Shedeur from the Ravens 19:20 - Lane Kiffin somehow becomes likable 30:28 - Bruce Pearl retires from Auburn 43:54 - Fran Brown: College Football's DMX 59:30 - Will Kalen DeBoer survive the year at Alabama Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original. My name is Beaumani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. It is that time of week where we have a guest join us.

Check him out at Channel 6 and the shutdown full cast, podcast. He is the best writer of kind of great, America's greatest college football writer. I forgot my phrasing, but now we're going to take it to it. I think that makes it fancier when you say, America's best blank, right, rather than the best blank in America. Like, it has more of a vibe of national treasure. So, national treasure, Spencer Hall.

That's always appreciate it, Beau. Thank you. Do you have a middle name? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a good one. Edward. Eddie. I have to say, I'm not sure anybody, like, I keep saying right now that man that's in charge of the FBI.

Nobody looks less like their job than he does. I think if I told somebody that like Spencer Edward Hall was pulling up, I don't think, I don't think that they're thinking it's about to be you. No, no, no, no. It's a very, it sounds like a dormitory, first of all. There is that. There is.

Additionally, I sound like some sort of paleontologist, which, you know, like maybe, maybe if I'm coming in from the field. Yeah, I could see that. It is my dad's name. So the idea, it never, it's always a middle name and I love having a middle name that you're not going to use. There's no temptation because, you know, when you're a kid, you're like, oh, am I, Spencer, am I? It was never. It was like, I'm not bad.

I'm going to be this, right? Give your kid a name that is a ship they have to burn on the shores of their first name, right? Give your kid a name where you go, well, that's definitely not me, right? Make sure it's totally different than the first one so they have a clear choice. Or, or, or in my case. Number two, just make the middle name a bit more African and syllabic than the first name. Which way are we going? The shorter direction.

We always choose the shorter direction. Yeah, like, I'm taking you on a voyage over here as Bomani, Babatunday Jones. And I don't know if you know this, but there is a Wikipedia page of famous Babatun days, and I am, in fact, on the page. And you better be. Come on. Yes. I'm there.

I'm there. I'm there. It requires me to explain to people that I'm not. actually Nigerian, but I am there. I am on the page. Nigerians who have a friend of mine who is Nigerian who made the point once that she says Nigerians are the most exceptional people in the world, whether we are talking about things good or bad. That is her argument. And that is my segue into talking about a very exceptional man whose name is Dion Sanders. Now, this is interesting. Now that Travis Hunter and Shador Sanders are not there and this thing isn't really new.

I find we're not talking about Dion as much, though truly I think that as a football story, it now becomes more interesting. Like, how do you do this now that you don't have one of the greatest college football players of all time on your team, right? But he's also now the father of the backup quarterback of the Cleveland Browns. He went on the New Heights podcast. And the story got out last week in advance of the Ravens game that the Ravens wanted to taste the door, but he didn't want to go somewhere where he would sit on the bench.

Now, first of all, I was not happy with that story being reported because I was kind of like, I was feeling like Rick James. Like, motherfucker, that was weeks ago. Like, we had gotten out of this story and everything else. But then we got here and I was able to be like, oh, maybe it wasn't the conspiracy. You Rockheads thought that it was. But either way, I found the logic to be so preposterous because the last thing that boy needed to be doing right now was playing NFL football.

Exposure gets you exposed, right? He needed to be, like, take to Rod Taylor, for example. who was drafted by the Ravens in the sixth round coming out of Virginia Tech. And he was a better college quarterback this is George Sanders, just to be clear. He sat for years until he turned out he was actually good enough and then became a Pro Bowl quarterback who's at a very long career and made a bunch of money, right? Dion was on the New Heights podcast talking about this. And I want to give you this exact quote because it is such a Dion quote. And Dion says about sitting on the bench, I've never, why in the world when I go back?

up Lamar for 10 more years. I've never sat on the bench and said, quote, well, I learned a lot today. Number one, he wouldn't be there for 10 years behind Lamar. But number two, when the hell is Diaz sad and sat on no bench? This is why you don't learn from a genius. Don't ever, don't. Don't ask, like, Reggie White, maybe the greatest defender of all time. I don't know.

I definitely call him like he's a top three defensive linemen of all time. And maybe two. I don't know. He's one of one is the point. And he had a move called hump. And if you've ever seen the hump, I can just describe it. He threw you. He threw you with one arm.

You ever watch Razzling? They call it the hip toss. It is the hip toss, right? But on the run, on the run with a 300 pound man every time, right? And he could do it. He was asked to teach everyone how to do the hump. And he taught them in the way that he was. could, which was to show them and go, do that.

This is why bad athletes make great coaches. This is why mediocre athletes make great coaches. This is why great athletes do not often make great coaches because 98 to 99% of y'all can't do the hump. Have you ever heard the story about with Ted Williams in line with this was the manager of the Washington senators? Oh, yeah. Ted is a manager.

It was like, go be me. Yeah, yeah. But they had a part where they had a, it's free traded where these two coaches got into an argument, damn near a fist fight about how to handle a rundown, the hotbox, right? And one of them was like, and I'm just throwing the names out there, one was like, well, I learned how to run the hot box with Miller Huggins. And the other one's like, I learned how to run it from John McGrath

and asked Ted to be the tiebreaker. And he just looked at him and said, eh, fuck it, let's go hit. Right? Like, these, these things that you discuss are not, like, maybe your coach could be Tom Brady, except the problem is, Tom Brady's such a maniac

that he can't, like, understand and appreciate regular struggle. So my advisor and graduate school is a gentleman named Sandy Derry. Sandy's probably the most brilliant man I've ever met. I was having some struggles with motivation that kind of sort of proved to be my ultimate undoing, but these were the early seeds of the issue.

And I asked him if he had ever had that situation. He said, yeah, maybe I've had two days, maybe three ready to feel like working, but then I got right back at it. I was just like, ugh. Yeah, there's a limited enough. There's only for so much advice you can give me. You can give me guidance.

There's one thing here, and it's that any form of, it's hard to watch your kids struggle. I will try to look at this as charitably as possible. Yes. It is difficult to watch your kid struggle. And if you were in a position of power, it's difficult to watch them struggle in a career. Therefore, as a person of power, you might charitably want to help them at every single opportunity. That is the most charitable reading of this, okay? Don't be like, oh, I'm just trying to push their kids.

Yes, some of them are. Some of them are just craving opportunists, right? Trying to manifest power through power relationships. Some of them are doing that. Okay, but I'm trying to be nice here. I'm trying to just be like, hey, hard to watch your kids struggle. Maybe you're going to want to give them every single advantage you can give them even perhaps unfair or unhelpful ones. I think that happens sometimes to, you know, children of coaches to children of athletes where they will put them several steps ahead of what they are capable of anticipating that they are as good. as they were, which is, which on two levels is not true here because, one, Shadur is not as gifted an athlete as Dion Sanders. That is no slight to Shadur because Dion Sanders is a freak, a mutant, a once in a generation type athlete. The dude played two sports professionally. Well, by the way, like one all time great. And the other one, he played well. By demand, not as a stunt. Right. That's like the market bore Dion Sanders on two levels in a professional sport. That's insane. Second is this. It's a different position, right? You can teach somebody how to be a

pro, but can you teach them how to be a pro when you didn't even have the same set of rules as everyone else as a pro, as a pro, didn't have them in college, didn't have to abide by the same rules as everyone in college, right? That's how talented you work. You didn't have to abide by the same set of rules as a pro in football where you got to play two sports, where your assignment was go be Dion. Go go get that guy. Do you think a DB's coach ever told him shit? That's a great question. Really?

What hint? Does somebody give Dion Sanders? What, what, hey, that was good. Good job. Good job. Way to make a pick that nobody else can make and return it 99 yards for a TD. That's, Hold on Spencer.

I'm going to read to you the second sentence of Dion's bio on his, Florida State Seminoles web page because he has one. I guess it's for being a Hall of Fame or whatever. This is the second sentence. As a freshman

primetime started at cornerback, played outfield on the baseball team, which finished fifth in the nation, and led the track team to its 10th conference championship. He won the conference in the 100 and he walked in the door starting, which brings me

back to the question. Before Deion came back with the Ravens when he was 37 years old to play quarterback in the NFL and I believe scored a touchdown in that comeback move. When has Dion Sanders ever sat

on a bench in any sport whatsoever? When has he sat on a bench? That hasn't happened. It hasn't. It hasn't. And that's not Chedur's fault. That's like we can't.

Here's the other thing, okay? He hasn't sat on a bench. Shadur is going to. Sitting on the bench correlates with performance at some of the highest levels in the NFL at quarterback. This is a position. This is another thing that gets me because I'm not saying cornerback

isn't without its intricate technique. It is. Dominic Foxworth, if you are listening to me, I hear you, I understand. It's a hard position with a lot of new. wants, okay? It is not as complex as playing quarterback because everything a cornerback does is taken into account in the position of learning quarterback, right? A quarterback, more than anyone else on the field, except for, you know, maybe your middle lineback or a strong safety making calls, whoever your callmaker is, has to understand not just your job, but what everyone else

on the field is doing all at the same time. It's subsumed in that job description. It's more complex. Sitting on the bench was good for Patrick Mahomes. Yes. Right? Sitting on the bench was great for Steve Young. Sitting on the bench was great for Aaron Rogers. If you are putting yourself on a tier, career-wise, development-wise, on a curve ahead of those guys, it is time to revisit reality. That's one of the great ironies of Dion Sanders is when he does and does not remember that the rest of us are not like him. right? Because it feels like 99% of the time, he is omnipresently aware of the fact that he is Dion Sanders and we are not, right? Then these weird moments where he seems to think, hey, I did it

this way. And so can you. Like Jeff Pearlman in his book about the Cowboys had a thing that said, Switzerland was the coach and Dion was there. And it was one of the issues with having Dion there was Dion were practiced with no shoulder pads. because Deod had no intention of tackling anybody. And to be honest, it's Deod checking people on the scout team. There were not going to be any tackles. But then he's like, now other dudes want to get out here and not practice with shoulder pads.

And it's like, he's, you're not him. Yeah. This is like the story. Pardon me, I can't remember the NFL player. I think it may have been London Fletcher who touched up Larry Fitzgerald in a practice at Arizona and immediately had like 5,000. people yelling at him like, don't touch the money. He's like, it's practice. What? We're hitting.

Like, I'm going to hit the guy. And they're like, you don't hit that guy. Is that I have this? But you made the right point there that sitting clearly has been helpful for a lot of people. Like, I don't have the, I think it's easier to ruin a quarterback by playing them too early than it is to ruin anybody else. Like the idea, you can throw just about anybody else to do the deep end and then eventually they're going to learn how to swim. This isn't, this isn't how this goes over here. You thought it. in the deep end and asking him to do math at the same time. Like it's just, it's a little bit too much to ask of somebody.

So for him playing behind Lamar Jackson. And look, also, I applaud him for having larger ambitions. And this is not Dion's NFL where Dion talked about sitting behind Lamar Jackson for 10 years. Well, that never happens anymore. But you could be Gary Kubiak who worked with John Elway every day of his life for something like 18 years, but from his backup to his coach, right? You just stayed there the whole way. That used to be a thing.

It doesn't work that way anymore. You sit back there and then your agent toss you up and then somebody gives you a job. Friend, come closer, everyone. Chase Daniel. That's the dream. Chase Daniel, $37 million as of last year in total earnings, okay? More than almost anyone listening to this will earn in their lifetimes. He got that money for backing up people.

That's it. He got that money as a backup. And not just for being a backup, people like to be around him. Like he charmed his, he changed the whole backup market. Be a vibe. Frankly, from what I have seen Shoulder O'Sanders be very unlikable at times, I've seen him be perfectly charming, right? Right.

He's no Shiloh. Okay. If you want the real presence on social media, Shiloh Sanders. But the two can be perfectly charming and likable, very likable at times. Be a vibe. Be the backup guy. Maybe you'll get your. opportunity because if it hasn't become apparent to you at this point, you don't get special

rules. You don't, right? You may have as a result of, again, being charitable here, a father only wanting the best for his son. However, that's done. That's done, right? Play the hand as well as you can and understand the man right now that most people regard as not just the best quarterback alive, but maybe ever sat behind Alex Smith.

Yes, he did. He started. Yes, he did. And let me tell you this about being a vibe. This is the thing I learned when I was doing game theory. I may have talked about this in a different context, but some of you are new here. When I was starting to do the show for HBO,

I forget, I hit Neil Brennan up for something, right? Like, I forget what kind of help I know him through some people. It's my voice twin. Yes, yes, Neil Bridgett. Also, by the way, it was funny when I was in Morocco, Morocco has a lot of, like, they had like four or five different models of faces. It was the DJ Khalid.

I saw the French Montana. I saw the Colin Kaepernick. They had a few of those. And a surprising number of Neil Brennan's on the road. I could see it. Yeah. Right. They were there.

But Neil hit me back out of nowhere. And, you know, if you've ever met Neil, talk about a ray of fucking sunshine, right? No, that is not. That's not Neil's vibe. Neil says to me on the text, so what have you learned about your persona at ESPN to take into this job, which? felt very to the point, unsolicited and a tad pointed, right?

And I was like, um, you know, he said, look, man, you've got writer face. Just like I've got writer face. Which is, I thought that was not an unfair assessment. Like, I think if you catch me at a setting like this, it's not like that before what he was talking about. It was a fair assessment. But he said something to me that I'll never forget is he said,

80% of the job is being in a good move. Right? And I realize that for anybody that is front facing, part of why these studios and these record companies and all these places go through so much spoiling and pampering that ultimately can turn toxic is not just the idea of like flattering somebody's ego. It is it is best for the production if the star is in a good mood, right? It really, really matters. And that takes us back to being the backup quarterback. Fives, man. If you keep our guy in a good mood,

it will make everything else better. That is why James Winston might stay in the league forever. Oh, this is, by the way, I think it's one of the reasons the bills are so successful right now because Josh Allen, as the starter, Vives.

Captain Vibes. Right? He's in the videos. He's on the TikToks. They've loved him since day one. Yeah, he's, he is, that, that vibe, that golden retriever vibe has kept that team on balance when performance maybe wasn't matching the attitude. And yet, wrote it out, right? So it's not just, listen, vibes aren't just for the backup, right?

Yeah. Starter brings that as well, right? The Big Galute. That's what we call them around here these days is the Big Galute. Everybody, everybody's happy when the Big Galute shows up. Like, when you think about it, everybody in your life you've ever thought of who was a Big Galute, doesn't they put a smile? on your face. Listen, there's a happy person who put a smile on your face. A bigger happy person puts a bigger smile on your face. It's a barometer, right? It's like when a big man cries.

If a big man cries at the athletic banquet, look around, okay? Like if you're at a high school and the big coach goes, I'm just so proud of this offensive guard, Tim, you've been such an inspiration. Everybody's going to start crying. Why? Because maybe they're afraid of getting beaten up. Maybe there's a situation hundreds of thousands of years ago where big man starts crying around the fire and they're like, yeah, he's going to get mad. You should. you cry with him. It's evolutionary psychology. No, that's what it is, but that was, that was my thought. What I saw that would, what D. I was saying. I was just like, oh, God, that's why he's getting such bad advice. Yeah. He has no idea what to do. Go find a successful mentor who was mediocre when

they started. That's the person you want to talk to because they've been through more stuff and overcome more stuff and had to learn more shortcuts, hacks and learn the playbook more than you ever will. This is correct. By the way, I want to tell you guys about something fun that's happening in college football. Now, there's a big game, Georgia, Alabama. We're going to talk to L. Duncan about that a little later in the week, so I want to leave a little meat on the bone for that one. But there's a story that is a very 2025 story, a very internetish sort of story.

And I admit one that leaves me inclined to do a great deal of speculation about people whom I've never met. And that is that Ole Miss is playing against LSU this week, right? I understand that we all believe that Lane Kiffin is doing a very good job at Old Miss. I think that while that is probably the case, this is also a bit of a function of getting rid of divisions, which thereby changes up who you play. It's, yeah, beating the teams you're supposed to beat. Okay, cool. Anyway, somehow, Lane has become a guy that people like while still being the jerk that he was

when people didn't like him. I think the commitment to the bit is just so strong. And college football appreciates characters. Well, Lane has a daughter named Landry. And this week, she chose to announce to the world that she is dating, what's his name, Whitweeks? Whitweeks. Whitweeks, who is not some sort of actor or country music star or cyan to a cotton fortune.

He is the middle linebacker for LSU. She hard launched this the week of. of the LSU game. And I can only take from that that she feels about her father the way that I do. I'm going to give you a little background on their relationship,

on Landry and Lanes, and I base this on my exclusive research from following Lane Kiffin's Instagram, which, by the way... Which you are fascinated by just so people understand. Just so you understand, all right? If you wanted to do a 45-minute show on what goes on on Lake Kiffin's Instagram,

Spencer is... You and Holly can do it. I'm ready. The OG of this, by the way, is Katie Shook, long-time, like, follower in the EDSBS community and internet presence was like, listen, no man is more internet pilled. No man is more Instagram. No, like if you want to see a dude, but an Instagram mom, but a fitness influencer, but a guy, it's lame.

He just also happens to be the coach at Old Miss. He's doing hot yoga. He's posting so much inspo. He's posting so many inspirational quotes throughout the day, right? Like there's a lot of things like they'll post like this gibberish quote that's like you won't know love until somebody loves you and then doesn't know you but then you know love and then you let that go and then that makes you that makes you whole and then he'll just repost that with yes and an emoji like that's he's doing the good stuff man this is the unleaded perfect pure inspirational internet and it's all on lane kiffin's Instagram and what you need to know is he refers to Landry as him right like he says that Landry is the child most similar to him. they get on each other's nerves. Oh, okay. And they enjoy antagonizing each other.

So I want you to know, okay? Yes, we're discussing the daughter of a coach. But I am doing this as a character study because I think that given that framing that I understand, okay, this is her fucking with her dad. This is her messing with that. And I respect it deeply. If this is her trying to irritate dad, which from what I understand, they have that kind of relationship as being very similar and yet lovingly antagonistic, I approve.

This is good. So there are two things. One, I had completely ignored the possibility that if Lane Kiffin is your dad, you might be like Lane Kiffin. You're half. It's half. Yeah, I had not given nearly enough credence to the idea that that man is multiplying this. I also need to know, like, how much of this he got from his dad,

who seems completely unlike his son in any way. that I can think about. Like, I just can't. Well, like, this is what happens. You spend your life in the office. You come back and you're like, whose kid is this? Oh, it's mine?

Well, let's consider that. Might be mom. Mom Kiffin might have been the troll, right? That's true. Mom Kiffin might have been the wild card here, right? I think this, anyone who has a daughter, I don't. I have sons, okay? Entirely different thing in terms of,

in terms of emotional relationship, right? With boys, you're like, are you on fire? And they're like, no. And you're like, okay, we're good. We're good. Right. From what I understand, the father-daughter relationship can be a complex emotional chess game played with live explosives.

Right. I understand that the emotional warfare that can be waged by a daughter against her hapless, loving father can be on a level I don't understand, right? This to me, that's that. And it shows me the strategic brain, the play calling brain, it's been passed down a generation. What I'm saying, get her a playboy. get her a playbook, get her on that film study, have her running some charts, have her pad, have her pad the game, come back and be like, release times are so slow. I think we got three sacks in the bag of the first half. Just think about it. Think about it. This shows a strategic cunning that I think is not only inherited, but developable. I will also note that Lane Kiffin told someone on Twitter about this game in the context of what I've just discussed. Take the over. Okay. Lane was going to take that.

Lane was going to do that anyway. They was going to do that anyway. But I will also know, Lay is in a very interesting territory in this game where it is not, but so many places where he is the favorite in the likability index between he and the other coach who, look, yes. I don't know what to, look,

it's been a lot of times since the Declis-Sullivan thing happened, but it did in fact happen. I'm not forgetting that it happened. I just am at the point where, I can't bring it up all the time. There are other reasons to dislike Brian Kelly that don't get all the way to wind and somebody falling off of a platform, right? But he is the only coach I can ever think of where being impossible to like is the defining

characteristic. Like when he got the job at LSU, my only question was, ooh, I don't think they're going to like him. Because no one does. Yeah. Brian Kelly gets away with that because he's good at his job and he's honest. So he does walk into a place and say, the last guy got fired because of your guy. and that's not going to be me. That's it.

Approaching it as job one. And being good at his job has kept him employed at LSU, albeit in the maximum, like he is at that point where here's winning and everyone being happy and here's winning

and everyone being unhappy. And he manages to ride just high enough to not get in any real legitimate trouble. It also helps that several major teams in the SEC happen to be floundering or suffering succession issues

at the same time. so he can kind of skate on that. He can kind of ride low. Also, the talent level of Louisiana is so high that if he just does his job recruiting, it's never going to fall too far off that. But the likability thing, that's what's going to sink you. Nobody wants you around.

Although I think we've shown that at LSU, likability will not save you. Likeability, you could be the most charismatic, likable coach possible, and they will get rid of you after a national title. I will say this, though, less who was very likable. He wrote out five straight losses to Bambo before he lost his job, right?

Ozeron, it just got to be a little unbecoming and embarrassing to the people. Like, it wasn't just the losing, you know, it's the, you know, use of practice to highlight the ladies. People are going to see this boat and there are things I want to say right now that I can't. I know. That I can't. I know. I'm sorry. When this is, hi, all.

When this is all over. we're going to have a fascinating series of contradictory stories to tell you is what I'm going to say. We have so much. We have so much. But this is, hey man, this is what makes the college football entertaining is these things. It is a,

if you like a little mess with your sport, nobody's beating college football. Nope, nope. Absolutely nobody's beating college football. We just did all of that, by the way. And we're not discussing the fact that,

like, Hugh Freeze is in the league. Hugh Freeze is in the league and he might be about to go on a four-game losing streak at Auburn. Just throwing that firecracker in the room and shut in the door. Just seeing what happens. Yes, Hugh Freeze, the man who got into the SEC by ride Michael lower to Ole Miss. Like, when you really think about it, man, he has parlayed a couple of good breaks into really, and got lost his job because they found out he was calling escorts.

on recruiting trips, went to a religious school to rehabilitate his image and then made it back to the big time. Yep. Yep. And one might say that he hit it in the rough, but he managed to pitch out. He did. Nicely. And then managed to save par and made it to the next hole, right? He did. just for no reason am I mentioning golf there. Yeah, but now, but now, I mean, it felt like the game was cheating them last week. You know what I mean? Like, he got, caught some bad lies.

Caught some bad lies. He did catch some bad lies and he got a bogey. But you know what? It's on to the next hole. Golfer has no memory. We got to go ahead and take it to the next one. All they have to do, by the way, is be A&M, Missouri and Georgia in succession

to get through this stretch of the schedule. Good luck. Good luck. And coming up next, we will talk about another Auburn coach. Well, I guess he had to coach no more, but still. What if a quarterback completed four out of five of his passes or a point guard hit four out of five behind the arc?

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where the coach quits a couple weeks before the season starts because that's his way of getting the successor that he wants to have. It's a wide range of people who have been known for doing this. Tony Bennett just did it very, recently, Dean Smith resigned at a very similar time to get his guy Bill Guthridge, the job back in 1997. And now Bruce Pearl has done this to give the job to his son that it doesn't sound like people think are qualified for it. Oh, what makes you think he's not qualified for it,

but what makes me think he is? That's the better question. He's coached at Auburn. His last name's Pearl, right? My favorite, I woke up thinking about this actually. That's how I know it's the season. I was like I woke up thinking about sports. I love the notion that like, well, he's a coach's son and he's been raised and he's been taught this thing from birth, treating it like people treat like making wine, right? Like he was raised in the vineyards of basketball. He saw his father pay a coach under the table, right? He saw the technique that you use to slide the envelope. He saw the way that you don't snitch on other coaches even when they're doing crazy things. He saw how to lie to a mother to get a commit to come to your school and then

immediately renege on that agreement and then then somehow managed to keep him on campus. You can only learn that by being at the foot of the master. That's bullshit. Like it's it's just a lie. Why are you going to kneecap young Stephen Pearl's career? Which there are plenty of coaches sons who end up being good coaches. I think we've seen that's true. Why are you going to kneecap his career by putting him in a spot where he's going to fail. And probably a job. He's getting a little too early. Getting a little too early. Put it in a bad position because you can't turn it down. Right. How could you, like if you're Stephen Pearl, how can you turn that down?

Right. How can you turn that down and say, well, I don't want this financial stability, right? I don't want this opportunity. No, you'll take it, right? By the way, signed him to a long deal. He did five years. Yeah, not a three year deal. Signed a, signed up to a five-year deal, right? How can you turn that down? Why are you going to put me in that position where I can't possibly turn down a situation that I might not be ready for? You know, that's the thing about nepotism,

is that it not only corrupts the careers of people who don't get those opportunities outside the profession, and it hordes opportunity and economic resources from potentially talented candidates who qualify and have worked hard and have done, have checked all the boxes and have lived, you know, like the G.E.A. where they're living off of like, you know, rice and beans and, you know, sleeping in someone's closet for three years just to become an assistant on a job

because they don't have the financial backing that, say, a coach's son would have. You're taking away potential opportunities to learn and develop from the kids themselves by giving them that opportunity. It's a poison of privilege. It's one that anyone would accept if you don't have that privilege,

but it's nonetheless toxic. Like, that's the crazy thing to me about nepotism. We also need to put together a list of the other coach's sons, right? Like they only talk about coaches' sons when it seems like a thing, but nobody ever calls Antonio Brown a coach's son. We just talked about another one. Nobody ever calls Lane Kiffin a coach's son. And basketball, I don't know if you remember Marshall Henderson,

but nobody ever calls him a coach's son. These are all coaches' sons, right? Like, that's like coach's son and preacher's kid, it's kind of the same the same space. Yeah. And it is a targeted insult if somebody uses it in the right context. People who are coaches' sons who are in that position who have absolutely delivered, made sure by being the absolute best at it, right?

Kyle Shanahan. Kyle Shanahan, to me, is, you know, somebody who had that privilege, who obviously worked their ends, who studied under his dad, okay, in a system where, yeah, maybe he definitely didn't deserve that shot. However, everything that he's done since is delivered on that. I think he's the exception to the rule. But if you're going to be that exception, you have to be two, three times better than you were going to be anyway.

Like that's, it's in order to dodge that charge. Now, I have to say this about Bruce Pearl. He is probably my least favorite college basketball coach of all time. in a world with Mike Shoshesky in it. In a, who was the, Scott, is it Scott Drew? Scott Drew. Oh, yeah. Scott, oh, well, well, okay, so hold on.

Dave Bliss. Dave Bliss, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's Dave Bliss. But, okay, so here's the thing with Dave Bliss. I have judgment of the things that Dave Bliss did obviously. And he rankles me strictly for the things that he, damn, this is tricky. Okay, Dave Bliss is like his own category, right?

he like L.T. He like Jim Brown. He like Jerry Rice. Right. Yeah, yeah. We got to. It's not even, it's not even like there's no room for us to have a conversation. It's like the way we talk about with Kobe scored 81 because we'll score in a hundred just like, come on. We can't even, we can't even have that discussion, right? Like where do I put this dot on the graph? It goes off the paper. Yes. So like I don't know how many people know the story of Bruce Pearl and Dion Thomas at Illinois. But the log of the short is Bruce Pearl was an assistant at Iowa, and he was recruiting Dion Thomas, who was from Chicago. He did not get Dion Thomas. He tried to get Dion Thomas on the phone and to entrap him into

saying that Illinois paid him and then took the tape to go snitch to the NCAA, which was the reason that Pearl wound up in their hinterlands of college basketball because nobody hates a snitch more than the people in basketball. And to the end, Bruce Pearl swore up and down that he was the guy who did the right thing, and that's why he don't feel bad. And then he ultimately lost his job at Tennessee because he got caught cheating in a much different way that was fairly benign, except he told everybody who was in on the little bit of cheating

to lie to the NCAA in the course of it. I can't think of anybody emptier than Pearl. He's a good basketball coach. There's no way around that part, but he just seemed like the guy that'll say, whatever it is that needed to be said at a given point in time, and it all felt so phony. And then the last couple of years,

he decided to show us just how real he was, and I liked that even worse. There's not a lot to like. It's not just that he has an incoherent set of politics. It's that they're personally repellent to me. I also, if you saw the announcement photo that they did, it's pretty much everything you don't want in a society.

It's passing down this position of some power and of some like serious value, right? You're going to make a lot of money. You're going to make an assayyed. astronomical amount of money relative to the average person as the football as the basketball coach in Auburn. And it was this photo that looks like something out of succession. It looks like, you know, here, I'm handing it off like Steven sitting in the chair and Bruce is standing behind him. And I'm like, are we passing down basketball like coaching gigs like sinecures like titles? Like this is the

fifth earl of Auburn. We don't do that. We killed people over that in a war. Yeah. Like, you know, and one, you know, people get their heads chopped off for that. Like I, that's, that's repellent to me. that we would do it that way, that you would do it this early, like, like, like, this late in the cycle. Like, that's, that is, also, I'm, I'm dreading this. Bruce Pearl now has more time to be Bruce Pearl and do Bruce Pearl things. And boy, you're really not going to like where that goes. He's going to be on his phone a lot.

And, um, the podcast is coming. The podcast is coming. I bet I know where it'll be hosted. Yeah. I bet I know, you know, hey, listen, we need a subject expert on tariffs. Let's get Bruce Pearl, former basketball coach at Auburn, to talk about this. They'll be like, I think he makes a lot of sense. No, he doesn't.

Well, hold on. He might, that you mentioned it, he might wind up with a seat on the Fed Board of Governors. You know what? Qualification is knowing somebody now, right? How do you get a basketball coaching gig? I don't know. My dad had it. Now I have it.

What a great way to run things. I wasn't mad about this when we started talking, but fuck this. I noticed more and more. No, I don't know if you're bleeping it, but fuck this. My favorite thing, one of my favorite things about you is, I can tell when you're mad, but it's not because your voice has changed, but it is still very clear that the anger has shown up to the chat. Yeah, start closing my eyes.

Yeah, now I'm mad. Hey, I got a college football topic that I think will make you happy. Did you ever think that you live long enough to see not just the top 25 battle involving Illinois and Indiana, but Indiana scoring 63 points and acting like they've been there before. The Hoosher's coming like the Mongol Horde over the mountains. This is amazing. Run. Get out of the way.

It's Indiana. Yeah. Destroying people. breaking their will. Bain with the backbreaker. How? And I guess part of this is now there's so much Big Ten money that everybody can get a taste of it

that, no, that doesn't even explain this. No. I got nothing for this. No, look at some of their impact players. Some of their biggest impact players over the past two years have been Jam U transfers. Yes, and when he says Jam U, he means James Madison University.

Yeah, yeah. Do you know who was in spot? firing the fear of God in Illinois's defense and was absolutely lacing it against Illinois. That's right, the menace, Fernando Mendoza from Cal. Get out of the way. It's Fernando Mendoza. But for real. This is an example of somebody who, if you are in your 40s or 50s and you're like, I don't know if it's going to happen for me.

Kurt Signetti is your hero. Kurt is just rounding the horn at 60. Do you know who the scariest man in college football is? That's right. Genghis Kurt. Yeah, they're terrifying. They're destroying people. It is amazing.

And by the way, they have an offensive coordinator named Mike Shadahan who is not related to Mike Shadahan. That's up there with that's up there with Devin Hester Jr. at Furman, who is not Devin Hester's son. And Bo Jackson, who's not related to Bo Jackson, but whose real name is Lamar Jackson. Bo is just a nickname. Yeah. This is a theme this year, right? This is also proof that, by the way, the portal is awesome.

I have no patience for people who go, read the portal for Rooney Cod football. No, it's allowed Indiana to become a menace, right? It's allowed Syracuse to beat Clemson. So two things can be true it was, right? Because one of them is I do kind of hate the portal, but the irony of it is I thought that all Indiana would be was a farm team, right? like Indiana would build up players

and then they just go other places. But I am no longer so sure of that. No, no, no, not the farm. That's the restaurant, baby. They're serving steaks. Come get some beef. Catch it. I can't believe.

Like, I was like, look, I'm not really going to watch this game. And I didn't really watch the game. You didn't have to watch much of it, man. And I was like, and then you look up. So a couple years ago, when Elko was at Duke, The reason Elko's coaching at Texas A&M,

it doesn't really have much to do to me with whatever record Duke Havana Elko was there. If you look at that team, it looks like a real live, powerful football team. It didn't look like a smart school team. Like they looked big. They were hitting people.

If you can play big boy football and play big boy football is not just winning at big levels. It is playing like it sounds like big boy football. And Indiana? Yeah. at Indiana. And doing so, by the way,

Luke Altmire got sacked seven times in that game. If you think like, oh man, maybe they're just running a go-go offense. Maybe they're just running some kind of microwave offense where they score 60 points against bad teams. Illinois's not a bad team and they sack Luke Altmire seven times. They beat the crap out of that boy. There were people, I remember thinking this during the game and being like, I have never said the sentence before in my life.

It was, you should get Luke Altmire out of there before Indiana hurts him. When has anyone ever said that? In the course of college football. Never. Kurt Signetti is amazing. Amazing. People are like, oh, man, Florida should go get Kurt Signetti. What makes you think we can?

What makes you think we can afford that? Because whatever that is, that, no one can afford that. Indiana is going to back up the truck for him, plus some. I want to switch gears in a similar vein. We don't know how good this team actually is because the team that beat is clearly not that good. But Syracuse beat the brakes off of Clemson. have a coach named Fran Brown. And those of you who are unfamiliar with Fran Brown, on one level, he pulled a clown move

when they didn't win a game by enough on his take. And he had them run sprints in front of everybody. That move did not go over very well with people. Clearly, he didn't lose the team because they went out there and beat the dog shit out of Clemson. He is also the gentleman who said that when he loses, he doesn't take a shower because only winners deserve to wash. And I found out that he was married to a black woman when he said that his wife wouldn't really try to hear that shit.

I wasn't really sure. Like at first, my thought was if you would do something like that, you would not marry to a black woman. But then when she said he can't come into house after that, I realized that he was in fact that. And I throw all that together to say, I can't think of too often. Like, black coaches very often have to, like,

keep everything on straight and narrow and everything else to hold down the job. We don't get a lot of like this brand of weirdo getting to be the head coach. And by the way, this is a weirdo from Camden, New Jersey. That's right. His soul has seen rivers, ancient, dusky, bloody rivers. When there was the issue of tampering with recruits and coming after people on the team for their talent and trying to prospect them to other teams, Fran Brown was asked about how he deals with that. And his reply was something along the lines of, I'm not going to say anything, but I'm going to say it to their face.

because I ain't no bitch the coach of a college football team in 2025 in public on the record said I ain't no bitch Beau you're an 18 year old athlete and you're wondering who to commit to and the coach said I ain't no bitch

my decision is made I can buy a coat Syracuse will be fine yeah that's that's the kind of guy Fran Brown is Fran Brown if you don't know that translates to the field. Sometimes these guys are all talk.

After Syracuse scored their first touchdown against Clemson, they line up for the kick and they go for an onside. After the game, Dabo said, well, you know, we told special teams, you know, hey, you guys got to be on the lookout for the onsite. No, they didn't. They didn't. They were completely unsurprised. If you would like DMX, but a coach.

If you would like somebody who is, yes, unhinged and does not wash until they win because only winners get washed. Fran Brown is awesome. And he's the kind of guy that, like, love this. Syracuse has nothing to lose. Nothing. They are an FBS team that should make these hires and has to make these hires. Prior to this, they hired Dino Bavers, who at times, Dino Bavers was unhinged and was like very enthusiastic and would try things and would be aggressive. Fran Brown is taking that even a step further in terms of, one, going to the portal, like they've

been very aggressive with the portal and they've been very, very successful last year. Best passer in college football by a lot of measures was Kyle McCord. Kyle McCord was an Ohio state cast off. Angelie, who just got injured. It absolutely sucks because he played so well. Yes, he was second in total yards. He was having a fantastic year. This is, again, somebody who saw the modern environment,

did not complain and immediately adapted. And in addition to that, decided he could say, I ain't no bitch on the record and make it a recruiting pitch. And let me give you three of his coaching OGs. It is a very interesting range of influences. And I will note my guys are like at least a couple of good coaches. That's three of them with good coaches. But Matt Ruhl, who, look, Nebraska's a tricky job, man.

I watch Matt Ruhl win at Temple and Baylor. You're not going to tell me that, man, it's not a good college football. That's a good coach. Yeah, that's a good college football coach. You're just not going to do it. Kirby Smart for a couple years at Georgia and then thrown in the middle, Greg Shiano, who seems like the ultimate place to learn what to and not to do. I think the dude there that is probably most.

most in like the guy that he's channeling most clearly is Kirby. Yeah. Because if Kirby could speak in public the way that he wanted to, he would sound more like Fran Brown. And I base this on overhearing the way Kirby talks at practices, which is in a manner, like to quote the man himself in a manner that everyone here can clearly understand. Yes, that's, he's an amazing communicator. And I think Fran Brown is also an amazing communicator.

Also, we have to keep this in mind about Kurt. Kirby Smart. Kirby Smart played in a DB room with, among others, Champ Bailey on teams with guys like Richard Seymour, like our good buddy, George Foster, Robert Edwards, Jonas Jennings, Patrick Pass, Hines Ward. All I'm saying is Kirby, Kirby, Kirby, Kirby, Kirby, Kirby, Kirby,

Kirby, Kirby, Kirby, I don't know, I don't like this idea of he has an invite to the cookout, but Kirby has been to a cookout before. Listen, Kirby speaks Georgia. Yes, and Kirby's a, and Kirby is a Sabin guy. And if anybody knows how to speak all the languages while staying the same, it's Nick Savings. Ahab.

Yeah, all you need to do, Ahab, who's the guy who can talk to every sailor on the boat, no matter where they're from. That's Nick Sabin. Kirby Smart has the same thing. I think Fran Brown is the same thing, right? Fran Fran, Fran Brown is like a little more theatrical about it, obviously. has everyone run in wind sprints after games, et cetera. But that team plays their ass off from top to bottom.

So whatever he's doing and however he's saying it works. And that's like coaches will get very academic about that, talk about the need to communicate how you get something across. They understand learning styles and they understand how to get learning styles across. And that is the very boring way of saying that they go light a fire under your ass. They're very, very good at it. By the way, Kirby was described by chant Bailey. And these are his exact words as in the meeting room, an asshole.

which by the way my thinking is that Kirby sitting in that room and he goes I'm about to go pro and something other than football you see Chan Bailey and you go buddy Well I don't know

but keep in mind Kirby got down to like the last cut like Kirby took it to the training camp with the Colts yeah and Kirby was very productive as a member of the secondary like he was he was notably good as a college football player

but even with Champ Bailey in the room he was described as as an asshole in case you want to doubt whether a big attitude and a set of nuts will get you far. Yep. My biggest Kirby criticism. Three lettuce.

Sigma. Alpha. Epsilon. Yeah. That's the, yeah, that's a decision. That's TUFF tough.

Yeah. That's a decision. That's him. That's him and whole boy hall of favor, Will Buschamp. Speaking of stories. The cap alpha order. that's another one.

Like, hey, boys, boys, boys. Like, at no point if you try to reconcile any of these ideas. You know, we were talking about incoherent politics. We could go a long time on the incoherent politics of people in college football. I would love to hear, hey, Will Mushchamp, another former college DB. That means he's got some cold switch in him, and I would love to hear his attempts when he does it. Volume.

I think it's just volume. I think he's just yelling. I think just, like, from what I've seen, Will's just going to speak country and hope that you meet him at one end of one poll of that or another. I think that's where he hits it. Does Kirby have a favorite kilo Ali song? I'm going to guess it's, I'm going to guess it's baby baby, right?

I think that's probably. Yeah. Or if you ever heard love in your mouth. He wasn't a frat, right? They tend to gravitate toward that, right? That is true. See, I had never thought about what kind of parties, them Sigma Alpha, Epsilon, have other than ones I wouldn't attend?

Yeah, they might have other ones. Can I ask a question? Do you think Kirby Smart's ever hit a body roll? That's all I want to know. No, no, he ain't got that Baker Mayfield in him. Okay. Okay. Just Will must champ.

I mean, listen, Will, I think Will has some game. And this is just based on everyone who meets Will likes him and everyone who works with him likes him. I think his interpersonal skills. Again, he was vibe. And I think being a vibe will keep you in the building longer, wherever you are. So this is my, yeah,

that's my question. One of the two of them, attending UGA in the 90s, has hit a body roll. It's one of the two of them, and I'm not sure which one. Yes, I want to hit us one last thing

before we get out of here because I keep seeing this headline, and it is Oklahoma State's Gundy vows, he's staying put. And I just need to know why it is that he thinks he has anything to do with that. Is this like when you yell out to the SWAT team that you have some demands

before you exit the building? Like, what are we talking about? You're done in this town. Oh, you're done, dude. Done. Speaking of a person that people used to like but then stopped liking. Winning covers a lot of that. Winning will cover that for a long, long time.

Well, I think winning in this case built the asshole and then didn't stick around long enough to give the cover. Yeah. You know, COVID didn't help with that either. I think in addition to that, the inability to adapt more than anything else. We were talking about coaches who have made the switch and understand how to swim in this new tide. He's not one of them. He is not one of them at all. They were ridiculously late to the portal.

They were really slow on NIL. Gandhi was not big on NIL from the jump. And by the way, you want to talk about the dog, the dog who's biting cheeks in 2025. It's, it's NIL. NIL has managed to slow down and or possibly do dabbo at Clemson. I think it's a slow process. I think Debo has shown that he can learn and adapt better than I think people think he can. I don't know if that's entirely possible at the speed that it needs to happen at this point at Clemson.

But whatever they're doing recruiting-wise, it is not just the portal, by the way. It's like missing on, you know, skilled players and the development of their offensive line and all this kind of stuff. But whatever it is that needs to happen there, there's a greater chance of it happening at Clemson there is at Oklahoma State, particularly because Oklahoma State's margin of error is so much smaller. Yes. They have no real, like, they can't make a mistake and not feel it. And they can't make 10 mistakes and not feel it hard. And I think that's what's happened there. They have a difficult situation to begin with.

They're essentially, like if you're saying, well, what is Oklahoma State? They're Mississippi State. They are the second school in a college football environment that has three schools in state at least, right? Depending on how you count, you know, others, that all want to be good at football. and don't have enough population for it. So you have to pull from other places. You have to develop. You have to do all of that kind of stuff.

You have to take so many extra steps to be good that if you miss out on a fundamental block at this point like NIL and then you mess up in the portal, it's done. You're fried. And worse than the Ole Miss situation. I mean, look, Mississippi and college football is a documentary all by itself. But like, Oklahoma has no reason to think

it should ever be good as a state. except for the fact that OU is like, we can be good because we're close to Dallas. We're close to Dallas. Tulsa, on the other hand, is close to Arkansas. Which also has won too many football teams, right? Yes, yes. Like, Arkansas State, what are you doing, man? Like, that's amazing.

I love that you even exist. That's a hard ask. I don't know what it would take for you to get me to go to the other school in Arkansas. Even consider this. Okay, so the SEC came out with new pods. They came out with their rotation for the year. They're going to go with this rotation of rivals, permanent rivals, until 2029. So this is only a four-year arrangement.

Naturally, people are going to burn cars and riot about it. But everyone's given three rivals. They did what you should do with Arkansas, okay? And what you should do with Arkansas is you should give them the states around them so that you have these nice continuous, contiguous rivalries, right? That's what you should do. sense. Do you know who Arkansas gets because of their situation? Oh, they just get Missouri, Texas and LSU. LLL. L.L. That's what you get. Every year, you get three bricks to the face because that's where you are. They can't change that. For the next five years, that's who their

permanent, or the four years, that's who their permanent rival. They are, to me, major conference East Carolina. This is what I mean. Yeah. East Carolina is a very interesting job. One, because it's the, it's very close to the Tidewater area, which means it is access to players that would surprise you, like something they could get if they ever really got the ball rolling. But the truth is, what their fans want is to play games against and to occasionally beat teens that they should never be better than, right? Carolina, NC State, like, that's who they want to play.

That's who they want to beat with some understanding that they can't do it all the time. Right. Arkansas, Texas is still their biggest. rival and they played like four times in the last 30 years. That's who they want to play. They want to play Texas A&M, but obviously that one has to slow down for a little bit. Oklahoma, there's never been like a historical robbery there or whatever. But what is close for them is games they cannot win or games that they should not win. That's what's in the neighborhood for them. Yeah. Play your neighbors. Our neighbors are horrible. Yes. And they're

very big and very strong. All of them have some advantage that we simply do not have. Like Missouri, for example, which has never been able to really get that thing on the road, but it is a state with two decent-sized cities. Like there are worlds in which things can come together and they can put together pretty good teams. That is a, listen, everyone sleeps on Missouri right now. That is, including me for a long time, intentionally and unintentionally.

That is a sleep routine. They are nasty. They have a very mobile quarterback who is a problem. And they have managed to say, hey, listen, we're going to occupy our lane recruiting-wise and we're going to make sure everyone's paid and taken care of. And they have done a very good job of roster building there on a level that I don't think people really appreciate.

hire a nerd as a coach and you get nerd results. Nerds are organized. Nerds get results. And that's what they've managed. And you can hire a nerd at Missouri. You can't get a big old nerd. But you can hire a nerd in Missouri. I mean, quietly, Texas A&M is the only school in the SEC

with an Ivy League head coach, by the way. That is. Mike Elko graduated from Penn. That still counts. That's an Ivy League joke. He's out here cosplay and then. Yeah. Oh, by the way, you mentioned Tidewater.

I have a player to hit you to, before we get too much further along. Brandon Hillman. Brandon Helman of Michigan is a safety who really enjoys contact a lot. There's a shot of him getting ready to hit a guy for Nebraska and he's smiling in his helmet before he hits him. You can see his eyes let up and he gets real happy. He also got an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty where he stood up in front of the Nebraska bench and did this. You can see I'm podcast listeners. I'm extending my fists up and down, my forearms up and down in front of my face. I did that in front of the entire Nebraska bench after a third down that they defended, which they did not defend because of his unsportsman-like penalty.

Brandon Hillman's awesome. And where is he from? It's from Portsmouth, Virginia. That'll do it. Mm-hmm. Portsmouth, Porthmouth VA, baby. That'll do it. Wow.

We had so much college football that I can still save plenty for George Alabama with L. and then we will come back later this year to do a wellness check. on Kalin DeBoer as, I mean, they beat Georgia last year, which means there is a good chance that this year they could lose by a million. Gunners Stockton might be better than we think, y'all. Yes, and Ty Simpson, what of a good friend, Demetri, he's a big Alabama site. He's like, okay, he's better than I thought he was, but he's going to do three whiskey tango fox trots per game.

Minimum, minimum. And you know who wants them to do those? Kalin DeBoer, y'all signed up for this. This is a mind cart ride. This is a, you're going to win games 45, 42, and you're not really going to like how it happened. Alabama has six more games against teams whom are currently ranked and a game against South Carolina, which is wild card. Yeah, you never mean, your quarterback's not going to be better than theirs. No. I would say this for Kalin-Dabor.

that trip you make to the planes to close out the year, you better go ahead and win that game. You should be playing a desperate man at that point. Guess what? You're going to be playing a desperate man and you're going to be one too. Mm-hmm. That's, you want the Iron Bowl to have real stakes. Okay, ideally what you want is number one versus number two in the Iron Bowl,

two outstanding football teams. But if you can't get that, you know what you want? Two people playing for their jobs. Yes, that's what you want. Eight and four versus six and five. Oh, baby. We got to actually, for Alabama, nine and three may as well be five and seven.

Like, if they go to that bad boy, eight and three. Yeah, playing for your jobs and your personal safety. Who can get out of the stadium? Right. I'm just trying to protect my windshield. That's all I'm concerned about. I don't want nobody throwing a brick through my windshield. Yeah, you're going to be saying like a good neighbor after that.

You're going to be called State Farm. It's going to be some damage. Mayhem here. Right? Yeah. They'll be running through all of it. In fact, if it gets a little too rough, saving it and prom are going to show up in them blue jackets

to tell you about the other costs from your accident. Yeah. If you see a duck walking toward you, that's your friend that day. Walk that way, okay? Because that's safety behind you, don't look. I had not realized until this discussion, just how much advertising there is for insurance. We ain't even get to talk about the emu yet.

I was surprised. The emu ain't got into the college football game yet. No, I like that they advertised during college football because basically it's looking at me and going, hey, I bet you break a lot of stuff. And I'm like, but shut up. Yeah? I bet you're totally forgotten a hole in your house.

And you're like, how'd you know about that? Hey, let me tell you, man, that boy, mayhem, mayhem get that mayhem money. And what I'm sure are very nice residual checks from Law & Order SVU. Mayhem out here quietly bald. 30 Rock? He gets residuals for 30 Rock too.

I didn't, I know he was on 30 Rock. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dennis gets some residuals from 30 Rock as well. So, like, between him and Flo, like our new barons, we need, if we need new oligarchs, let it be insurance spokesmen. They seem a lot more affable than the ones we currently have. Hey, man, let me tell you, this is an off-air discussion, but that residual game is like slowly going away. But if the residual game could be for others what it's been for me, which has not been life-changing, but incredibly supplemental,

imagine 20 years of SVU and SVU is on television all the time. And it's over the air residuals. Over the air. Look, man, I just got to check in the mail the other day for $150 for this appearance I did on the best man like two, three years ago. And it's for whoever is still streaming

the best man trilogy or whatever it was that came on. And I'm in that shit for a minute at most. Okay? Now, is that $100 a lot of money? Obviously, of course it's not. But you just heard the way that I described it, right? So every few months or so, I'll get like $2,300, $150 or whatever, off of the best man. Make your little jokes about iced tea describing a drug that he clearly does not understand all you like, right?

Yes. It's called chicken pox. Yeah, like you go ahead and make those jokes. The residual checks that iced tea would get make you weep. He has got to, I mean, that's got to be. be a seven figure just laying in the cut. Just just. You know his house. He's

had that thing paid for. Yes. Yeah. Like he can just now restock the snack machines that he has in his basement. Yes, he can. And then he'd be, you know, he'd do a murder show for for oxygen called in ice cold blood. And whatever that shit is, he'd be trying to sell me

for my car that I don't have. Yeah. Let's see. It's, listen, he's not Shaq but quietly. I see. He's He's a mogul. No, them residuals be them, NCIS jokers, all in a demand. You get you on a nice crime procedural. I'm not trying to hook, you know, the 17-year-olds on anything.

I'm looking, are you 65? Right. Do you sit in front of the TV a lot? Do you have a credit card that you pull out too often? I'm looking to talk to you. Yes. Do you want to, we need more Matlock. Like this is the Matlock economy.

What you need are more procedurals aimed at 65-year-olds where they're like, hey, a young person's committed a crime, but an old copter's going to find out about it. I had never really thought about that dynamic. The old people outsmarting the key. Dude, listen, you could sell that for the rest of eternity, right? Who is he? He's an old guy or an old woman. What are they doing solving crimes?

Angela Lansbury was like, do you know what old people don't trust? Horny young people, right? It was always, it was always, oh, that lady's sleeping with that guy. And that's why he killed her. And I figured it out. You know why? I'm old and wise. Yes.

Then at the end, I crack a joke because I'm lighthearted about it. It's great. You could sell that for the rest of eternity and make a bank on it. Murder, he wrote. His name is Spencer Edward Hall. Check him out on Channel 6. Check out the shutdown full cast. My brother, I appreciate you as always.

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