The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Tyler "DragonflyJonez" Talks Washington Commanders, Black QB's, and Consuming Music in 2025 | 1.22

Episode Date: January 22, 2025

On today’s episode, Tyler "DragonflyJonez" of the Jenkins & Jonez Podcast joins Bomani Jones to discuss the NFL Conference Championship weekend and the state of the music industry. Since Tyler is a fan of the Washington Commanders, they start off by joking about Dan Quinn's backwards hats, Jayden Daniels different hairstyles, and how they will fare against the Eagles. (2:20) They move onto Bo's Lions and if losing Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn will close their Super Bowl window? (10:28) Next, they have a conversation centered around quarterbacks — how many teams are actually confident in their signal caller and with 3 of the 4 remaining QBs being black they examine how they all have very unique play styles. (18:58) The second half of the show is all about music as Bo and Tyler discuss how to find new music outside of TikTok, which rappers have the best discography of all-time, and which rappers can be given G.O.A.T. status? (29:55) . . . To help with Wildfire Relief in the Greater Los Angeles Area, here are some helpful links where you can donate:  MALAN Fire & Wind Storm Resources: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KMk34XY5dsvVJjAoD2mQUVHYU_Ib6COz6jcGH5uJWDY/edit?gid=0#gid=0  Displaced Black Families in Altadena: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1pK5omSsD4KGhjEHCVgcVw-rd4FZP9haoijEx1mSAm5c/htmlview?pli=1 Baby2Baby LA which is providing supplies to families with young children. You can donate to them at: https://donate.baby2baby.org/give/648067   LAFD Wildfire Emergency Funding: https://supportlafd.kindful.com/?campaign=1040812  Other resources include Mutal Aid LA, California Fire Foundation, LA Regional Food bank, Direct Relief, and Pasadena Humane:  https://www.fireaid.info/  . . . Subscribe to The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Spotify, Apple or wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok for all the best moments from the show. Subscribe to Supercast for Ad-Free Episodes: https://righttime.supercast.com/ Download Full Podcast Here: Spotify:  https://open.spotify.com/show/6N7fDvgNz2EPDIOm49aj7M?si=FCb5EzTyTYuIy9-fWs4rQA&nd=1&utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Apple:  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-right-time-with-bomani-jones/id982639043?utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Follow The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Social Media:  http://lnk.to/therighttime Support the Show:  PrizePicks: Daily Fantasy Made Easy! Visit PrizePicks.com/BOMANI and use code BOMANI for a first deposit match up to $100! Find your push. Find your power with Peloton at onepeloton.com Visit BetterHelp.com/BOMANI today to get 10% off your first month. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It is that time of week where we have a guest join us. Check him out on the Jenkins & Jones podcast on the Volume Network. Dragon Fly Jones, Tyler Perry, year. What's going on, man? My guy, I appreciate you having me back. This is our first time talking in 2025, so let me say, Happy New Year, man. Shout out to Ryan Cortez with that one. Yeah, yeah.

You know. I saw Cortez last week at Dominique's live show, and he told me he was legitimately furious that I had called him and told him. He's like, dude, no, I was furious. I was breathing hard. Like, he was truly upset about this. Yeah, I mean, I guess. Everyone has that thing. I'm really a bro. If it's our first time talking in the new year in like January or something, I'm going to wish you happy New Year. I'm going to wish you happy New Year. I'm going to wish, you know, good things for you in the upcoming year. I don't think that that's out of bounds. Why can't, why are we putting a cap on the goodwill that we're sending towards our friends, you know? I'm not going to be mad at somebody wishing me well. Like that's that's my thing. Okay. You might, it might be a little anachronistic. If you want to walk up and give me a Christmas gift right now, I take that bitch and open it up.

Facts. You know what I'm saying? Like, no, no, we're going to do this, but I want to send a shout out to you. You used to be a fan of the team when they called it a racial slur. And then I feel like me being a positive influence in your life, I got you off that narcotic. But now they're not stepping on it like they used to no more. It's a little bit more pure for you. So now you don't go back over there.

And you, your boys, the commandos, they're going to the NFC championship game, man. Good for y'all. Oh, yeah, I appreciate it, man. And yeah, that pack is fresh off the boat. That Jada Daniels has not been stepped on, dog. I am back. I am back and I could not, and I cannot believe it. Like, you know, we've talked through through the whole season about my reluctance to jump on board.

Then I came back on board. And bro, I mean, they have exceeded my wildest expectations. I did not. I mean, when they drafted Jaden Daniels, right? Like, you know, I was a fan of the kid in college. I knew he'd be a really good pro. My main thought was not, okay, this is the future of the franchise. I'm back on board.

You remember the scene. in menace of society when Kane told his grandparents that that he was moving to Atlanta with Jada Fingett and he didn't get any well-wishers. They were just like, Granny was just like, I hope you don't mess that girl life up. That's exactly how I felt when they drafted Jaden. I was like, please don't ruin this young man the way I have seen you ruin other promising quarterbacks like RG3. But he has just exceeded expectations.

I did not expect this dude to be the rookie of the year. I did not expect this dude to be the best quarterback in the NFC this season. I did not expect him to be, you know, to lead this team to NFC championship. Like, bro, just exceeded expectations on all levels, man. It's an interesting team you guys have there. Like, as you were talking, I realized in ways that I had not quite previously grasped that the commandos made me feel old in a few ways. In fact, I'd say three ways.

Number one, I'm old enough to remember when the team had a different name, right? Number two, when I was a younger man, I somewhat fierce. defended the right that people had to wear a baseball cap backwards and did not really understand why it is that someone would take such umbrage with a person doing that. But now the commandos got a head coach that looked like he was in wrestling when he was in college. Like he looked like his grades were terrible. If you look at them pictures of Dan Quinn, Shaw, he might be able to go find one while we're here. He looked like he got a 1.7. Yeah, he looked like he got a 1.7 and he holding somebody head in the toilet.

He looked like his major was shot put, bro. Like that's what he looks like. There's nothing to say he looks academic about that young man in his college days. And he had that mustache like my homie Brandon worked at ESPN. He played under him at Hofstra or whatever. He had a head coach of a football team out there with his hat on backwards. And I have to say, at 44, you look silly, son. And I can't even call him son because he's probably about 60 years old.

But that's the other way they made me feel all. And number three, we end a whole new job. generation of football. This wouldn't have happened as recently as 10 years ago, which is, there we go, put that picture up there, a Dan Quinn. He'd be like this during the games. You know what I'm saying? Like, like out there, he got, he was doing that. It was one thing when he was doing that as a defensive coordinator. He didn't do that when he was a head coach the first time, like somewhere along the way, he got fired by the Falcons and was like, next time I'm going to do it my way. And then he decided he was just going to get out here and where the

back was hats. But this other thing, this is when I really realized I was old. This to happen 10 years ago. We are in our first era where quarterbacks are allowed to have ridiculous looking hair. And that boy, Jaden Daniels, every time I see him, I'm like, son, have you considered a haircut? Like, the generation of parents who encourage their children to get haircuts, that's over. We too busy trying to grow braids our goddamn cells, right? That has already passed. It's long gone.

Every time I see Jadeners, I just want to call him son. Why? because it's like son your hair looks ridiculous yeah yeah um i think the dan quinn backwards happening i think it's a different deal with him i don't think he's wearing that to look cool i think that is um um just kind of an indicator that he's ready for whatever whenever i think that's uh i might have to move some furniture around his motherfucker the day i think that's why i might have to get all the way in your face right i need to get all the way the earl weaver i turn my head backwards so i can get all the way in your face. Yeah. Yeah, right, right. Like, I see the backwards head on Dan Quinn. I'm like,

he's got to like that in case he got to get up in like a D-Limon's chest and show him how to beat the coverage or some shit, right? Like, that's what I see. What I see is had backwards. But that bad for business, though, the problem with the backwards half of him, that's bad for business because you can't sell that hat now. You know what I'm saying? You know the money. No money want to get down there and tell him like, hey, man, you better turn that hat around so people can know where to buy it. Because like a backwards hat like that, baby, I can get that anywhere. I can get that at the kios. I can get that at the airport. anywhere. Just a black backwards hat. Now I play boy, I need that thing facing up so people can

know where to get it or what to get. Yeah, for sure on that. And with Jaden Daniels hair, like, he's had quite the hair journey. I remember he was rocking the Randy Mossfro, you know, at LSU. Like, I mean, it's a different day with these youngans, man. Yeah, no, it's a different, you know, whole different thing. Look, I don't have kids. So on one level, I don't feel like I have the right to judge what y'all do with these kids. But I see these kids, right? Like, even if I can't cook. I know how the shit tastes. Just, just, you know, throwing it out there for a couple of y'all.

But it was, it was, it was glad. It was good that y'all got this. It's good that we got this ability to look forward. As people know, all the good people were rooting for the lions. And it is unfortunate that America's team could not bring it all the way home. But on the bright side, this part, I have to say, sometimes it's about bigger things. And three out of four of the quarterback, in the competition in the in us or the conference championship round will be of african descent which is a very

very new thing to happen in this league and so jerry golf that's a real ally you know what i'm saying he did what was necessary it was about something bigger than him man he knew he knew a lot of us needed a little pick me up we knew what the weekend was about to be like um and i i tell y'all people this right now i don't know if your phone was anything like my phone when mark andrews gave up to booty bowl for them times at the end of that game. But we were joking during the week about, you know, this is going to be like the Lakers and the Celtics. This is going to be like Larry Holmes and Jerry Cooney with Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson going against each other. The problem with white people is, and I've learned this through time, and y'all know I'm right when I say this,

is that white people, race ain't funny to them, right? Race, they know what race is fundamentally, a tool of subjugation. So they don't laugh about that. Either they profit from it or they're mortified for it by, but they can't see it as something that you allow to laugh at, at least not in ways that are benign. They will laugh at race, but it'll be

things that are typically terrible, right? Although white people who spend a lot of time around black people, like working the Black People radio station and stuff, they have fascinating observations about black people that are like our observations about white people from being immersed in the circumstances. Anyway, black people, we can talk about

race and just laugh about it because it's such an omnipresent part of our life that we just kind got to have some jokes about it. So the Lamar Josh Allen thing, even if we wasn't always joking, we're joking, right? Like we buy a large joking about that. Man, Mark Andrews gave up the booty. I don't know how many varieties of the same text message I got from black people in all four time zones. That's right, even in the mountain. Yeah, it's, I just, bro, I can. I can. not believe the horrible game that Mark Andrews had. I just, it's just, and with so much riding on it, right? Like, you've got, you've got an all-time historic season from Lamar riding on this.

You know, an all-time great season from a quarterback. And to have the dropses like that. And to have that open field strip, that felt like game to me. I was like, oh, that's the one. When I saw that, yeah, yeah. That was the one. The drop, it's cold outside. He got out here and thought that he was damn.

I don't even know. Willie, Billy White Shoes Johnson, you know, like, he's out here doing like trying to do it, doing shimmies and shit. I, what to. Yeah. But I ain't going to let you off a few hook about your lines because y'all have a question about the future here, too. Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I got a, I think you got a misunderstanding about the dynamics of this show. You don't, you don't, you don't, you don't have a hook to let me off of, sir. Okay. Well, I want, I want your opinion. I value your opinion. You're a very well informed, a fan and a very intelligent man. And I value your opinion on things like that. Okay.

I think the Lions, that roster, they are for sure good enough to win a Super Bowl. But we know that upcoming you're going to lose Ben Johnson. You're going to lose Aaron Glenn. And oftentimes when we have teams that have that Super Bowl window are open and it slammed shut. And we're like, what went wrong? We trace it back and it's losing coordinators. So how are you sitting with that? Is there any concern for, I know you're not a big Ben Johnson guy.

But Aaron Glenn, that's going to be a lost dog. Are there any concerns on your end about that? So I'm actually a huge Ben Johnson guy as a coordinator. I just don't think you can put big brain like that as your head coach unless Tom Brady is going to be your quarterback, right? Like, he just do a lot of big brain stuff, man. Like he might be Josh McDaniels is the concern that people have about Ben Johnson. No, no, the brain drain is a thing.

The brain drain is the concern, but let us be honest about this. I feel like we can find somebody else to give up 45 points to a child. You know what I'm saying? I mean, it wasn't Aaron Glenn's fault necessarily. I think he did a pretty good job, but I didn't feel like we had a dude that you just absolutely 100% can't replace, right? No, it might be closed. I said that on Monday show.

It might be closed. That's how this works, right? But what I'm realizing and remembering as I dip back into rooting is that only one team is going to win it, right? Like, you're going to lose just about every single time. I need this to be a team I enjoy watching. and that plays with a spirit and an ethos that makes me feel good. And quite honestly, proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free. And thus far, that is what this team has provided.

And I believe that the man Dan Campbell at the top, for now I got faith in what he can do. Now, how much longer am I going to be able to put up with this Jerry Golf situation? It's a fantastic question. I don't really have the answer for that, right? He gave up the booty quite a few times that, I mean, I just felt like he was being way too generous with it. you know, have some class. You know what I'm saying? Like pull your skirt down, man.

Everybody can see you. Yeah, you know, the contrast between Jared and Jade in that game was just, you know, I feel like this. You've got your guy at quarterback if you go into every game thinking wants to win this game because of our quarterback, period, point blank, end of statement, not if our quarterback doesn't turn it over, if our defense shows up, if we stop throwing, if there are no qualifiers, and if you go into every game, thinking we always have a chance because our quarterback,

You've got the guy. And I think that Washington fans for sure feel that way with Jaden, you know, Kansas City fans, Baltimore fans, Buffalo fans, Minnesota fans. Detroit fans, I don't feel that way about Jared. Let's be honest here. Yeah. Counterpoint, though.

Counterpoint. You are making a very fair point, right? I don't want to, I have not as all dismissing what you are saying. What I am saying and what becomes interesting about that boy with the funny hair. I would argue the only team in the NFC who feels that way is Washington. Yeah, because I know Philly doesn't feel that way. No, no, nor should they.

Nor should they. But look, the NFC now is what the East in the NBA was in the aughts. Now, what could be interesting about the presence of Daniels, depending on how good he turns out to be? Because I do have questions about how high the ceiling is, right? He is a much better rookie than Josh Allen was, for example. But I think Josh Allen has a ceiling that Daniels doesn't have. think that Lamar Jackson, Mahomesboro.

Like, I don't, I don't know how high that elevator goes up. We're going to find out. But he could be Magic Johnson in the 80s in the sense that part of why Magic could go to the finals eight times in 10 years into West is who else was really getting it cracking into West. And the NFC currently doesn't have quarterbacks, right? This draft right here don't really got quarterbacks in it. They got guys you've heard of, but I don't think they have like NFL star levels of

quarterback. Washington might be the only team in that conference that has a quarterback where they're like, we are set for the future. And that is the most interesting and alluring thing. Look, man, Jane Daniels doing this so good. It's got people about to trick themselves into Cliff again. Yeah. Yeah. It's, you know, it's, you can just do the simple math here. And, and, and I've been a fan of, of the play call on that Cliff has done, right? But he had a due threat quarterback in Arizona who he did not reach these heights with and he schemed for him the same way that he's scheming for the dude that quarterback in Washington. But for some reason, the guy in Washington is doing way more with his scheming because

he's flat out the better player. I feel like you got a generational quarterback in that guy, right? But yeah, it's Cliff. Cliff is probably going to be a head coach somewhere next season. And I don't know. There was a part of me at the, you know, midseason or so I was like, I think Clif's going to realize he's not a head coach guy. He's a coordinator.

This is his niche. But then just Washington just completely over exceeded everyone's expectations. I think Clips gone. He's going to get that bag somewhere, dog. Someone's going to throw it at him. I ain't going to lie, man. If somebody give Cliff Kingsbury a head coaching job out of this, I'm going to have to say something that I have not said in a very long time.

What about Airy be in me? Like, I just like, that would be the one that will send me into that particular. Obviously, no, we can't do this. I mean, the fact that he got an NFL, Cliff got an NFL head coach and job after he got fired from a college. job where not only did he not win anything with Patrick Mahomes, he couldn't even get Patrick Mahomes into the top five of the draft. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone talks about how much of a sneak job Mahomes was to just, you know, come out and establish himself as perhaps the greatest quarterback

ever. And it's on cliff. That's how how he was a sneak job. Right. It's all on cliff, dog. Right there. Right there in your face. But I was. talking about I got all these texts, right? So after Lamar Jackson and the Ravens lost that game, I got cats being like, I will paraphrase it, that Mark Andrews put party over country

in making that drop. It was lots of forms of that one because we were this close to having a guaranteed black quarterback win the Super Bowl because they were going to be four black quarterbacks in the conference championship games.

That was about to happen. It was that close. On one level, a black quarterback, which is still a fairly provocative notion, right? Like, there are still teams that have not, the way I put it, started a black quarterback on purpose.

The Giants, for example. They have started a black quarterback as somebody else got hurt. That one time they let Gino start and then they fired the coach on Monday, right? But there's still teams that have never said, hey, this is, we're leaning in on this. This is what we're going to do.

It is on one level wild that, not really wild, but there are enough black quarterbacks to where this could happen and we weren't counting it down. You just kind of looked up and then noticed that it happened, right? On the other hand, I'm 44 years old. It's okay to say, this is a day we ain't never think was going to come. Yeah, I remember the first time as a fan when we were close was 99, when we could have had Sean King from Tampa,

possibly beating the Rams to face McNair. I remember that. But yeah, it's for sure been a lot of progress made there. And as far as Mark Andrews being a sleeper agent, hey, I'm willing to hear y'all out, man, because the performance we saw Sunday. I was telling you what I received. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

They ain't anybody be coming at me. I was just telling you what people was telling me. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't, I mean, I hope he wouldn't do. that you know what I'm saying like that would be really disappointing it seemed it's look bro it just seemed it just seemed he seemed suspectively bad like he seemed it seemed it seemed like there might be something bigger than bigger than coincidence that player I ain't going to lie to you man I ain't go lie to you on this one and it ain't happen with here I don't think this happened with him but hey man I'll be checking point

spreads now like now that this gambling is out here we don't have like a jonté poor in the situation like that you ain't just about to be out here messing up and me not have no questions about it. It's not responsible for me generally to come out here and to talk about it. But no, no, no, no, Bo Jones out here seeing if you out here trying to shake the house up. Like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, looking there. But what I, what, and to be honest, man, we got three black quarterbacks and we got Josh Allen. And I will say it once again, until they started acting like he was Jaheim, he was never going to reach his ceiling. But once they started adding, a few Jaheen plays and he got out there making it happen.

He became the menace. He, that's Josh Allen, the minister society. That's what he has become. There's a little, there's a, I seen them interviews where he talk about where he see like a white linebacker, a DB and they're going to run a milk check. You know what I'm saying? I'm just telling you, man. Like, yeah, you ain't seen that?

He said, he out here running them. The milk check. I'm telling you right now, right? Like, Josh Allen ain't of the white mic archetype, but I assure you, if he had gone to high school, when I went to high school, where I went to high school, he'd have pulled up in the F-150 with the kick of 12s in the back bumping G-funk. I promise you, he would have been that cat that was out there doing it, right? He's making it happen. But with the black quarterbacks, what I found interesting is, and this is like for me the biggest evolution, they are all

different, right? There's no, there's not a real similarity. Patrick Mahomes is the prototype, right? What does a quarterback do that you don't want? Jaten Daniel, is to me a bit more air raid system inclined, like very athletic, but it's the accuracy that's getting there with him. And Dalyan Hertz is, if you remove the connotations, he is a bit more traditional

in the archetype of our ancestors playing quarterback. Is that okay to say? Yeah, yeah, I see what you get at that. Yeah, for sure. I mean, he's not an electrifying quarterback as most of the brothers seem. to be.

Get it done. Get it done. He's out there on force of personality. Right? Like, he is the leader dude. He's the dude that puts on for Oklahoma and Alabama in the intro, right? Even though he's like, Russell Wilson does that, but neither one of them schools benched him. Jalen Hertz is still like, yeah, Alabama, I still ride for y'all.

I don't, I mean, good for you, partner. I don't necessarily know if I would have done that. Like, he's that guy and he's a fullback. That is the other part. He is a fullback. Yeah, young tush push over there. But yeah, bro, like, you know, as a commanders fan coming into that game, I'm not scared of Jalen Hertz. I am not scared.

I'm not scared of that team at all, honestly. Like I said, we've got a guy who gives us a chance every game. Everyone's like, you know, Sequan, of course. Everyone's like, what are y'all going to do about Seekwon? And my answer to that is we're going to do what every other team that has played Sequan is done against them. Nothing. We are going to, he's going to get his 140, 150 yards. But what we need to do, we need to clamp down on those third and shorts and keep him out the end zone.

That is how you scheme against Siquant. He's going to get his, but you just got to make sure he doesn't hurt you in a way when he gets him. And that's the thing. Jailer Hurst, all the quarterback in NFL history, saving his job by getting them on quarterback sneaks. Because there's a real value to its third in one or two, two. And there ain't nothing you can do about this, right? Regardless of what you think about him, large or whatever, there's something there. concern if I were the commandos is very obvious, which is the Eagles, you want to talk about a team

that kept it simple when picking defense. Let's get a bunch of dudes from Georgia. But then, then, let's go to look crazy and get some white boys in the back. See how you like that. And you can't do nothing with them. That's the concern I'd have if I'm Washington is that Jalen Carter and Al and Jalen Carter is terrifying. Them boys up front is coming. That's the other thing. It's not, and on the The other side is not just Sequin. That dude, Mackay Beckton, who played for the Jets and was like 360 pounds or something like that at left tackle, and they moved him to the inside to play guard, they be moved. They just mashing dudes out.

Best Alana in the league. Shout to McCoy Bechton. He's from Richmond. But yeah, man, big boys up front. Defense that gets after you. But like I said, I'm still, bro. We got Jaden Kool under center. You know, we are straight.

Dude, y'all believe. Y'all believe. We are drinking all the Kool-Aid, man. What I find to be very impressive in the fervor with which you all continue to believe is that, I mean, if I rooted for a team that had a very successful rookie quarterback and it made me feel like the future was going to be lights out

for 10, 15 years, if that had happened to me and then all that it resulted in was terrible misery and division within my fan base, I would not be able to love again as freely and readily as y'all were. If I was y'all, I would spin every day realizing Jane Daniels, they actually don't really love you. They might turn on you any day. You might be on one leg and they'll still send your black ass out there and get roughed up.

Like if I was you and if I was rooting for that team, I would always have it right over here on my shoulder that we really are still the same team. And this could all come crashing down and we could go back to being as sorry as. we always were. That's what I, myself, would always be thinking about if I was you and I had come on Bowman's television or podcast and told him, I'm not going to let you off the hook with the lions. Yeah, I'm off the hook and I'm telling you right now, you should be scared. You should be terrified. I mean, I'm not that scared because we've been there. We have been in hell for 90% of my life. You know what I mean? So I'm not scared. I'm a dude who once believed in 53 year old Mark Brunel is our quarterback. You know what I'm? So, bro. Like, I have been

to hell and back. And I do that. I do think it's a new day, right? It's new ownership. You know, it's, it's, it's, we've got a new front office. Ask the six is how, ask the six is about them owners. As the six is fans, how they feel about them owners. Anything is better than Dan Snyder. That is true. That is true. Hold on. Anything. And before we go to, and before we go to, uh, advertise bids, I don't know how mad I'd be if I were a Sixers fan and if I watch Josh Harris come into Philadelphia and perhaps win a championship as the owner of them.

Can't get us out the second round. Like that is all. But for those who don't know, the owner of the Commandos also owns the Sixers. So it could get real awkward because if he thinks they ain't about to hit him with a snowball, brother, you got another thing coming. Coming up next, go talk a little music.

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but right now I'm really, really enjoying listening to jazz. But I saw something before the show, and I tweeted about it just a little bit. They brought a couple of thoughts to me, and I thought it might be cool to see what you were thinking about this. But I saw this tweet right here. Sean, if we can go ahead and throw this on the screen. And the gentleman says, my student said that if TikTok goes down, they won't know how to find music. Someone suggested using YouTube, but the response was, I don't know what to look up, which I think sums everything up. Now, I have to be fair here.

I don't know what exactly it sums up for him necessarily, right? But my thought was this. If 30 years ago, you told me that they shut down the radio, how would we know how to find new music, right? Like, that was just the tool that people used to find new music. TikTok, which is a narcotic that I had never participated in, Tyler, I think you're in the same boat as me. Like, I sound like a black person of our age when they talk about cocaine. Nah, bro, I seen what that did. That shit killed him bias. Like, oh, no, I ain't

going nowhere near that. Did a little of this, did a little of that. But I ain't anywhere near that. But I had never really thought about it in the sense where people talk about how you need to like, are people making songs that they hope catch on TikTok. I had never thought of the TikTok algorithm being the radio. Like, it's maybe the most. influential DJ that had existed. And so to tell somebody, he's like, go to YouTube and it's like, I don't know what to look up. Yeah, I know YouTube will put some stuff, you know, in the side panels for you, but really, going to YouTube and being like, hey, I need some music. That's like going to Amazon being like, yo, just need some stuff. That sounds incredibly daunting and like borderline

impossible. Like, I see why nothing can break through anymore. These are the mechanisms that we're talking about. It's just what an, what an algorithm tells you to listen to is what you're going to listen to. But it's not that different from the old school because the old school, it wasn't the algorithm. It was people. But it is, to me, at least better with his people. But like, I'm curious, like, how do you find stuff? Yeah. You know, going back to that tweet that you mentioned, I'm not sure exactly what the poster was getting at. What that explains everything. It feels anti-young peopleish. And I think we got it as someone who gets them our ory old man shit sometimes. I think we got to shoot the young and some bail here because like you mentioned,

We had avenues of discovering music that no longer exists. Like, there was a time when on Friday night and Saturday night, your local radio was playing underground rap that you never heard before. Right? Like, I vividly remember the first time I heard elevators by Outcast summer 96 just because I had the radio playing at like 11 p.m. on a Friday night. And I was like, what is this? You know what I mean?

Like, I used to just tape like sight unheard. Friday nights, you know, when they get into the, into the rap set, I'm recording that because I know there's going to be some gems on it that I'm going to love. And that doesn't exist anymore. We also had MTV, you know what I mean? Where just a video straight up devoted to a channel straight up devoted to music videos, where, you know, besides just discovering, you know, new rap, like, that was something that diversified our generation's music tastes. Like, we fell in love with like Nirvana and rock acts, you know, via MTV and such.

And that doesn't exist for these youngings anymore. So TikTok is really like all they have. And like I said, bro, I'm not, I'm not going to, I'm not going to, I'm not going to, be too hard on the young ins because what the avenues for music is discovery that we had no longer exists for them. Well, another avenue for discovering music that people employ less and less is hanging out with other people and listening to what they're playing in their cars, right? Like, yes. And that sort of thing. Riding with your parents is everybody gets their own headset now, right?

Riding with your parents and listening to whatever station they happen to be listening to, listening to whatever it is. But like, I saw that and I really thought about it. Like, if I went to YouTube, it was like, okay, show me some music. You know what I mean? Like, I, like, I had never thought of when I go to YouTube to look for something, I'm either looking for something specific in terms of what is the thing I'm looking for, or I'm looking for something, the topic is specific, even if it's not like, so I'm like, hey, show me some stuff in Vietnam. Okay, I'm going to look for things in Vietnam. If I'm going to look for music, it is, I'm looking for a specific song that I am already aware of and this is the thing that I want to go find.

What we had previously, and I tweeted this part, because I tweeted about this a little bit, then I took it down because I was like, no, I'd rather talk about it here. And I just, sometimes I don't want to hear what y'all think. Not you, y'all, but, you know, the royal bigger y'all. I just, I'm not interested in your, in your opinions. Gatekeeping. It's gotten a bad rap. It's gotten a bad rap over time.

Yeah, well, I, you know, I mean, let me just don't. this out here. The same reason you need a gate is the reason that the gate needs to be kept. The same reason you need a gate in real life is the reason that there is a need for a gate. Otherwise, the issue is that we're in this error of zero trust. And so people look at gatekeeping as something either arbitrary or sinister, like intentionally keeping certain people out, which of course is the way that people have employed the notion or idea. But with music, for example, you need to have somebody trustworthy to curate what's going on and whittle it down a little bit to make it far more digestible for us as consumers to enjoy what's going on.

Now, I'm not pretending like there wasn't payola back in the day or all this other stuff, but like take like the New York Street mixtapes of the 90s, right? Ron G., you know, DJ Clude, that type of stuff. What we were doing with all those people was we were saying, I trust that these guys have good taste and they're going to put me on to something that I would they they go through all this. They hear all this stuff and then they're going to play something and I'm going to hear it. And then maybe I'm going to want to check it out. That was the same thing with your radio DJ before the corporations took over the playlist.

I trust that dude, right? The algorithm says to you, you like something like this. So I'm going to give you more of it. And to me, a better way to get stuff is I trust this person rather than I have found things that bear mathematical similarity to what you have already listened to. Yes, yes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the mixtape DJs, they were legends to us when we were growing up. Like, you know, the DJ clues, the K Slays, like, you know, just when we were just, you know, walk down the street, you know, see the bootleg man on the corner, you drop in five

dollars and you get 20 new songs that you never heard before from some of your favorite rappers, right? Like, that doesn't exist anymore. Or a rapper you've never heard of before. Yeah, that too. But yeah, you know, I'm with you on. on gatekeeping, especially when it comes to like the commentary on music, because I think there's so many people who decide to go down the lane of rap commentary, not because it's something that they love, not because it's an art firm that they love and respect and values, it's because they see it as a career path. And it's so evident to tell the people who are just in it. So we for sure need some gatekeeping there. But as far as me, you know, being an old head and who kind of has my ear plug to the youngens a bit, I got to say, bro, I got a cheek old. I got a 21 year old godson. You know what I'm saying? So he's always plugging me in with new stuff, right? Like he's a big, he's a huge NBA young boy fan. I don't know if you're familiar with him, but he is NBA young boy is one of the more.

Yeah, yeah. You know, Louisiana rappers are always good money in my book. You know what I mean? Yes. He is just so very interesting because he is, he is like one of the top three most streamed artists in the world. He is a super megastar on the internet and with zero radio play. He is a fascinating figure there.

But that's kind of like, you know, the era that we're living in now where you don't necessarily need the radio anymore to be a megastar, especially with the young it's, right? Like as long as they can put you up on Apple Music or YouTube, you know, you're going to be good money there. So the whole just the whole landscape has changed, bro. Yeah, like NBA young boy, one thing as I get older, I try to be very conscientious of is being very careful to not have an opinion about things I don't know anything about, right? Like it's very easy to look at something and like think you know how you're going to feel about it or look at who the people are that are into it and decide that you're on the other side of that. And I don't want to be that person. So I had a day where I decided to go check out and be a young boy. And I was like, oh, this is actually good. Yeah. Like I saw it like when that boy, Juice World was alive. I remember I checked him out. It wasn't for me, but I understood what was going on. I would like to point out they had a juice world. And if you're not familiar with Juice World, it's some sad shit, man. They had a, I mean, I mean, his story. story is sad, but also that music, ooh, it's a bummer. They had a Juice World tribute concert the other day, and I was like, I'd be damned if I pay money to sit around with 10,000 people

being sad. That's where they had, uh, that dude that looked like buddy, what was buddy name from wrestling that had the big dude, uh, that had the blonde hair and like the overalls, a big old fat black dude. I can't remember what his name is. Yeah. Yeah, but it's another rapper they got now. I think they call him Dave something. He was sitting there wearing a purple shirt with an oxygen mask rapping sitting down. And I was just like, this is the same. I was just like, this is the saddest concert I've ever heard of in my life. Yeah, yeah, especially, you know, considering the way that we lost Juice World. And that, that rapper dude was just like, his whole thing is promoting lean and shit.

So, but yeah. They still doing that. The young and still are, you know, so. But yeah, man, it's, it's, it's, it's like you said, like Juice World, like, you know, like you said, even though you weren't really feeling them personally, you can see the talent there. Incredible at creating melodies and, and creating songs there, right? Like, that was a, that was a, uh, tragic.

lost there. But yeah, bro, it's a new day, man. It's a new day with these young guys. The way music is consumed is just completely different. Yeah, and I just, I don't, I am floored, though, just by the idea of how are you supposed to come across any of these things and how, how is there to be an established, like, commonality in this? Like, what was most amazing to me about that Leangelo Ball song was how quickly it got around and it became something that everybody knew. And I am curious how much there is at this point that reaches the everybody knows it and how for me, I feel like things come around like NBA young boy, the stuff I've listened to is good and he's a megastar, but there's, I don't have a song that I point to and be like, oh, I know this is him

or that I could expect to talk to everybody, like everybody else is a broad term, but you know what I mean, but I could expect to put out there and people like, nobody's hit me a bit like, oh, you don't know, dot, dot, dot. I've had this conversation with numerous people, right? I don't know how it is without some measure of curation that we don't get to a place where we can actually share this stuff, you know, like where we can all kind of get in and this be like not like us. That's what made that so different. It belonged to everybody except for the suckers. The suckers could have joined on board, but they instead decided that they wanted to be suckers. They would rather be suckers than get on a good thing. Hey, man, what can I say? Some of y'all were raised by suckers. But how does that happen

without some curation? And so when buddy's like, this is where it is, he's like, I don't know how to look it up. No, I don't either personally. Guide me. Be my shirt pot. Tell me how to find stuff I'm alike. And I think also it's a double-edged sword with the streaming error, right? Like, it is incredible that there's any song you want to hear, you go on Apple Music, you search it, Spotify, you search it and you'll find it. It's right there at your fingertips. I think that's incredible. We are truly living in the future in that aspect. But also, I think it makes music more disposable because music is so easy to find like that, right? Like, you know, back in our days, when we were spending $17 on a CD,

we were like, we are going to find some good music on this shit. I spent my hard-earned money on it. Like, I remember I bought Mace's second album, double up, terrible album. And I was so committed to finding a song on there that I liked. And there was nothing. Wow. Right?

But I put in hours. I put in a workshop to listen to that album and try to find something that stuck because, like I said, music wasn't as disposal back. And we were spending our hard-earned money on these things, you know? Yo, that's such a big point. Roy would check out his special lonely flowers on Hulu. Roy came on here once and he made a great point and he was like,

you used to have to pay $12 to have an opinion. That is a, that's a very important distinction. Like I was talking to some people about vinyl and part of what is interesting about vinyl, like when I think about this as more than just like listening as a, listening as more than commerce, right, as more than a transaction is that vinyl forces a patience, right? It requires me to sit with that which I might not immediately love. Yeah, I could get up, walk across the room, get the needle, look close, pick it up, put it down on the next song that I like or whatever it is.

Nah, man, I ain't doing that. I'm going to sit here and I'm going to ride out with what it is, right? Like, I'm not expecting this instant gratification in the process of listening that we have. There's a book. I need to read it. I want to find the title. I don't typically, like, recommend to you books that I have not read, but I read an interview with the woman who did this, and it seems to be really interesting.

Oh, gosh, I got to find this. But it's like, it's basically just about how Spotify has not just affected the music industry, but Spotify has affected music generally. It has affected the way that we listen to music, you know, all of these things. Oh, I think it's called mood machine. Yes, mood machine, the rise of Spotify and the cost of the perfect. playlist. Like, I'm very curious to get in there and to check that out. But yes, I agree with you. The disposability, the ability just to toss it and go to another one is not. I have come to the

conclusion, actually, that Spotify and the streaming services are net negatives for music and honestly, for the music consumer. I believe they have become net negatives. Like, I think it was better if we were dealing with smaller digestible chunks of things. than this illusion that we can get to everything. So on one level, it's great for sampling, right? Great for going back in the day and hearing older stuff and seeing if you like it. But in terms of how we process new stuff, I think we've all lost, actually. Like, I think the illusion of choice and the idea that I can have whatever I want,

sometimes life's about more than that. You know, it's kind of metaphorical in a sense. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Like, you know, when we were kids, when we were teenagers growing up, like, bro, we were buying maybe one or two albums a month and like they stuck with like like like you know you'd get A T.A.L.N.'s by Outcast and bro, that would hold you down for the whole year. You know what I mean? Like it would hold you down for months on months on months on it. And it's like now with, you know, we get new music every Friday and it feels like, bro, that that new music

has a shelf life of one week until the next new new music Friday comes around. Yes. It is. You're right. Once you put that, what you put that buddy in on it, you're going to give it a run. I have only, I only recall money being spent on one album that immediately was discarded. And that was immobilarity, the second Rayquod album. And the word had hit the streets that it was by Shura. Everybody said it was cheeks. Cheeks, I tell you, cheeks. But Cuban Links was so dope. It felt like we owed him and I walked away feeling like he owed us. Yeah. Immobilarity is that would get my vote for the worst follow-up album to a classic

album in rap history. I think you can probably, I think dog father's in the conversation too. The dog father is decent. Yeah, dogfather is decent, but doggy style was just out of here, dog. I think World Party by Goody Mob following up still standing is in the discussion. All time let down there for me too. So I think World Party is in a similar category as L.L. Kool-Jay walking with the Panther. Brut's not what we asked for.

Right? Like we did not like because World Party got a couple of jams. Get rich. Get rich to this is a jam. Change Swing is a jam. Yeah. But it's not it's not what the people wanted from you. And Welcome with the Panther, which is in this conversation also.

The most arrogant album anybody has ever made in the show. the history of arrogance, which is a bold, bold statement to make. I put a gold rope on a panther for the album cover. With the Mercedes bin made out. I need to know who told him at that point. When the album before that you did, I need love. Who told you that Trina got a big old butt so I'm leaving you was a good idea? Who said to him, this, no, nobody, the fellas didn't want it.

The ladies didn't want it. nobody wanted it. A man who contains multitudes right there, bro. But, you know, resilience, bro. He bounced back and was giving us heaters for 20 years after that. He did. He had a whole career by the age of 22, an entire career at 22. Yeah, bro.

Mama said knock you out. Like, Mama said knock you out. He was, he made that album because people said he was cooked at 22 years old. 22 years old. Yeah. It's hard to explain to the kids because, look, I generally. believe that we like longevity is cool but like that's my argument against you you you guys that have jumped on the brawn wagon as you guys are giving him way too much credit for staying good while

he's old and to me it's like what were you when you were the hottest when you were the the heediest heat what were you right l l. got 20 years of i don't know about that but there's a four year period where nothing else matters he's that guy yeah you're you're way more of a peak sky I'm a bit more of a longevity, complete body of work guy, you know, contrasting opinions, and that translates over to our sports analysis,

our music analysis, too. Like, I remember when we were talking, Kendrick, you know, and you were like, you know, Kendrick never had a moment,

you know, like, Cubes America's most wanted. And, you know, wholeheartedly agree with you. But I still think, I think personally, Kendrick is the,

I think he has the best discography in rap history. I mean, West Coast rap history. Let me, let me clarify that. I think he has, and he doesn't have the highs

that Snoop had on Doggy style. He doesn't have the highs that Cube had for sure. He doesn't have the highs that Dre had, you know, with both the chronics. But I think that, you know, longevity, complete body work, Kendrick has the best discography in West Coast Rap. But like we said, different views that we have there. But see, that's the thing. Here's what I think you stumbled.

I'm not stumbled on, but I think the point you make spells out to me, which is a shift I've made in the way that I look at things because I used to look at it much more like as you did. I think you are probably correct about the discography. I separate the rapper or performer from the discography itself in terms of by determination of what I consider to be the greatness of that person. And the discography part is a bit more of a quantification. But if you can then, it makes sense that you're like a rapper is as good as the music that they make.

And here is the collection of the music that they've made. And it is a better collection than the music than anybody else is made. ergo therefore this would be the best rapper. It makes sense. Like I totally get it. But I think about like for example, the old heads who say run DMC is better than Outcast. I think Outcast got everybody beat.

I think it's the discography and it's also just the way that it made me feel. But I could go back and listen to that first Run DMC album. I'd be like, oh, I understand why somebody is like, nothing ever made me feel. Like this here made me feel. And what is more important than the way that this thing here made me feel? Right. And so like I lean more.

into that part of it now than I used to because I think that that gets that gets us to a slightly different place now with Kendrick to me what's interesting about him is he's a guy where any live performance I've seen of him has the feeling from him that I don't always get when I listen to him on record like on record it feels like they try so hard to execute as opposed to just like the feel but I give you another example I can't play no tape by kRS one to make no kid understand what the big deal is. I watched KRS 1 during that versus with Big Daddy Cade and I was like, yep, I forgot. That's the most captivating man I've ever seen rap. Like if all we give everybody is a microphone, nothing else, no beats, no lights, nothing. In fact, not even no microphone, just you.

And I say, okay, everybody rap and let's say who the best. There's no question who's winning that contest, none. Yeah. KRS, whoever you are, wherever you are, you have to come to the South Bronx, the teacher, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Like, you know, like you said, and that's why like these rap conversations are, are just, you know, something where, listen, bro, we have to be from like the same generation, the same era.

We probably have to be from the same geographical reasons for us to discuss certain things, too. Like, there's just so many moving parts with rap. You know, like I said, it's divided on generational lines, it's divided on regional lines, it's divided on sound lines. So there's just like, like, like, and, and, and, and, And the thing about music conversations is the music, music conversations always are driven to kind of seek a consensus. And you're not going to have that with, yeah.

It's just too, it's, it's, it's too much of a rapidly evolving genre that has so many different pieces that play. Like I said, a generation divides, regional divides, etc. The problem is the most influential media outlet of the last, we'll call it 30 years, is ESPN and every topic gets turned into a sports like who's the best

conversation. We have a long track record of music journalism, musical analysis, all of this stuff and it wasn't about who was the greatest. It was about explorations of different things and you could talk about the greatness

within them. Of course, magazines would do list and stuff like that. And, you know, that's a relatively modern sort of thing. I don't want to pretend like those things never happened, but the discussion was not always so much what's better, what's best, da, da, that gets people charged up and people figure that out. And so they kept like going to that well. But we can just talk about something on the basis of it being hot, right? Or just on the base, like, I feel like, this is the thing that hit me. I went to the Roots Jam session one year in New York during the Grammys. And the Roots will play behind all these different acts. It's a wide range. It's

always real fascinating, right? Like I walk in, I see the homie Crit practicing his rhymes, right? But you look up and Gary Clark closed it out. Like, it was just all kinds of people. Chuck D. came out. And this was the first time I had seen Chuck D rap in person. And Chuck D to me, the forgotten great emcee. That was the first time I had seen Chuck D rap in person. There wasn't no way in the world. You were going to tell me that it was a better rapper in his world than Chuck D from listening to him rap right then. And this is at a show with Black Thought, who, by the way, is doing Flavre because he can do everybody's voice. And then Black Thought gets up there and does other Black Thought stuff.

And there's no way in the world you were going to tell me that somebody's a better rap than they do. Like there's some people I just feel like if you say that, okay. There's some people where if you say this is the best rapper ever, I'm just like, man, he's fuck out of here. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not like, that's crazy tall. But we don't, if you don't believe the Kara was the greatest rapper of all time, okay. If you say it's Jay-Z, I see why you would say that.

Right. Now, you come out here and you. so I talk about Magoo or something like that. No, I ain't, come on, man. You know, like, I ain't got to entertain anything you say. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's, you know, I've got my handful of rappers where I'm like, there's times I've listened to this guy rap and I think he's the best to ever do it, right?

Black thought is for sure in there. Kendrick has been in there with a few verses that he's had. Andre 3,000 is in there. It's up there for me too. Yes. Just, yeah, you know, just a few. Biggie, biggie for sure. I'm, I think Jay-Z could possibly be the goat,

but I think there's so many rappers who are just better than him. You know what I mean? So, but yeah, it's, it's so much nuance in these conversations. Yeah, the Jay-Z one, he's so fascinating. Because if you start talking about discography, his is an interesting ride, right? Like, it's not quite as consistent as one would like it to be. At his best, he's just unreal.

And I will say this for him. I don't think anybody makes rapping sound easier than he does. Like Andre 3000 makes rap sound like it's easy to him. But it doesn't make you think, oh, I could go do that. Jay-Z can get in places where it feels like, yeah, I think I, no, you can't. You can't. And that whole doesn't write it down thing and everything else. Like, you know, there's some emotional spaces that he can't always go.

His hook game is not that strong. But like just lyrics, when he is all. it, it's just like, oh, God, how are you so good at this? Like, if that's it, if you say he's your greatest, I think a lot of that has to do with branding also, but if you say that he is your greatest, I understand how you got there because so many people think he'd aid daddy. You know what I'm saying? It makes it a somewhat difficult thing to talk about. Yeah, he's, he's someone who I do not, um, he, he's on my do not discuss list on Twitter for sure because of that very reason. Yeah. Alan Iverson, Tupac.

just like this means something this means something more to them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, man, I mean, Jay-Z had his best as good as anybody, but, but, you know, to your point, I do think that his influence and his impact is for sure what kind of propels him a bit. Yeah. No, he's, he's, it's a lot.

We got up about to the line here on this hour, but that's my man, Tyler, Dragonfly Jones. Check out the Jenkins Jones podcast on the volume network. Shout out to the homie, big show, Big show has been making many cameo appearances when you boys got to talk bad about Drake. Every time y'all ready to talk bad about Drake, now John got a hold of the baby. Big show is right there chilling out while his daddy losing his mind. No, me for Shola for show. Yeah, man.

I came up with that the other day for him and I was very proud. Like, I look forward to call him a big show. That's a good one. We got to run with that. I thought so, right? Yeah, yeah, that's a good one. We've been calling him for show. You know what I'm saying?

Oh, yeah. He had a big show with Uncle Bo. Like next time I get out there, I got to come over there and hang out with the big show. He seems to be a pretty tranquilo amigo. Yeah, he chill as hell, man. Hey, man. My brother, I appreciate you. For sure.

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