The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Victor Wembanyama Has the Knicks SHOOK + Brendan Sorsby’s NCAA Gambling Case | 06.09

Episode Date: June 9, 2026

Bomani Jones reacts to Victor Wembanyama and the Spurs flipping the NBA Finals with a physical Game 3 win over the Knicks, including why New York looked rattled, why Jalen Brunson got baited into ISO ball, and why Wemby set the tone in a hostile environment. Later, Bomani breaks down Brendan Sorsby’s NCAA gambling case, the temporary injunction that let him play this season, and why the bigger story is about zero-tolerance policies, addiction, and the NCAA’s athlete-first standard. Plus, Bomani gets to a few voicemails and stories on Ray Allen, Scott Skiles, and White Keisha. Apple: Stay closer to the game. Download the Apple Sports app for free in the app store. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/apple-sports/id6446788829 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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That was easy. Wave. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A Wave Original. My name is Bomani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars.

You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. It is an emergency. We're not even time machining on this Tuesday. We had two things happened that was so cracking that, you know, we're doing an extra show for y'all. You're welcome. You feel me?

But anyway, we'll get to Brandon or Brendan. Ryan, I don't already forgot. Sorsby. Let's confirm on the Brandon-Brandon situation. You know, it's Brendan. I would, yes, Brendan. Did it. Could have gone either way.

You know what to be? We go holl at him in just a little bit, though. First, game two of the NBA final, or game three, rather, of the NBA finals. Okay, it was crazy over there. Ryan, you didn't have any reason to be over near that part of town today, did you? Oh, no chance. Okay.

I was really famous on the streets of New York yesterday. And here's what I mean by that. I had to go down off a 34th Street on the west side in order to pick up some electronic equipment, right? And so I go down there. I always say that I am never more famous than I am at specifically a basketball arena. But generally speaking, a sporting event. That is my crew. That is my room.

The whole goddamn city is an arena at this point. Okay? Later in the day, I was down like, not even off you and you square. I want to say I got off the train and Spring Street or something like that. Man, I got people stopping me like can't even get out the train station.

That's wild. Type of situation, right? Because it's anywhere, Nixon 4, right? I'm like, don't do this to yourself. But anyway, right, you just don't understand it. Now, around Madison Square Garden, dude, it was all blue and whites and all black gun marks.

Just go, roo, roo, roo, go on around the black. This was at three o'clock in the afternoon. Like, I can't imagine what a hassle it was. They said they cleared that bitch out at 4 o'clock or whatever. I guess I got out of there in time. Like everywhere. You just missed it before the line started forming. Yes.

Everywhere the game was going on. Didn't matter what, where old Nick's stuff, new Nick stuff, whatever Nick stuff. I saw somebody wearing an Atlantic Division champion T-shirt. They still print those?

What are you talking about? It was everywhere that this was going on. And then game three gets started. It's so loud in there. Obviously, I was not. at the game, right? And to explain to people who were like, first of all, you saw them prices. The prices came down. But the truth is, that was for people who loved the Knicks, not just people who want to go to the game. You know what I mean? It's the same thing I say about them JZ concerts.

Those are not for people who just want to go to a concert for people who love Jay Z. Let them have the seats, let them have the time, whatever it is. Man, it's so loud. Right, I ain't never heard nobody get booed during the goddamn National Anthem, man. They put that man on camera during the National Anthem, and he did the thing where like he he he he sir yes sirs it he's sure yes sirs he can see the smirk when he gets booed too yeah but doesn't he ever notice that nobody else is doing that thing except for him oh no never notices that doesn't give him any measure of pause right nobody'd be like hey man you can just put your head nah nah no i'm a soldier right you know he just go ahead he'd do like that he technically's commander-in-chief i do not uh associate donald trump with measure of pause

just a general is a general there's something to that they put him on that camera and them booze was like they was just waiting when they're going to do it when they're going to do it

and they left the camera on him right like I saw somebody put something on Twitter about the booze was so loud that's why they took the camera off no no no no no they let it rock and when he got the booze you are right he had a little bit

of a smart but that's still that don't feel good Right. But anyway, we dealt with that. Got Donald Trump on the screen. They did it under the National Anthem. They booed his ass into the ground. Gang is going, San Antonio goes hard off the top, right? And what happens? It seems my criticism at the end of game two was why would you run a pick and pop instead of a pick and roll?

Every time that he sets a screen, Victor being he, you got to roll hard. Now, the argument that people have made to me that they say the spurs make about this is that they're trying to preserve him, that constantly keeping him in the paint requires him to expend a lot more energy. And I think that's true. And I think that that's borne out by, if you look at the stats, I want to say last year he shot 8.83-pointers a game, and that went down to five this year, which implies to me as he gets stronger,

he will go inside more. It's not terribly different than Kevin Durant played two guard as a rookie for the Sonics because he just didn't have it physically to even play small forward. and we're not talking about small forward is what we want from Victor. We want Victor to go inside. But no, they ran that play that all of us would run if it was a video game. Send that eight foot tall dude near the bucket and then throw it up and just see if he can go get it.

Sometimes he was dunking it. Sometimes he was just pitty patting that bitch off the glass. Sometimes whatever it was. But it was like, ooh, we got three dunks early. Now to me, him getting a bunch of dunks early isn't like Charles Barkley getting a bunch of dunks early, right? but it did establish not hanging out outside like that anymore. That was probably the greatest failing they had. We saw do more to get in the painting game two in the second half

when Victor was actually excellent in spite of everything coming apart at the end of the game. But anyway, they established that early, but it went like every game had gone in this series, right? Like Spurs go hard early. And then the Knicks, when they took that leave back at the end of the second quarter, it was like that. which is typically a sign of which team is the better team. The one that could just be like, all right, let's go do this right back.

Quick 12-0 run in two minutes? Yeah, by the way, outside of like the 12-0, I forget what the run was. The Knicks outscorted about 18 points in that quarter. Like it was a pretty thorough domination and one that gave the feeling that this was about to be a rap. But a couple things were happening in the first half that I feel like bore out the way this went in the second half. One thing that happened that I think,

well, I guess it's kind of two of them are together. But anyway, I'm just say all the things, right? Victor throwing Jalen Brunton on the ground and then laughing at him after the fact, that was hilarious. I don't care what anybody says.

That was hilarious. And I love the fact that he does it, right? Like, you got to remember, man, at some point in his life, it was a long time ago before he got really good at this basketball thing. like that. Victor was just a big old gangly, goofy kid that was probably getting picked on until he'd had enough and then all of a sudden he had to establish the perimeter. You know what I'm

saying? Just start wildly swinging and your mama come have a conversation with you about it or anything else, right? But you know, he has certainly been picked on. And what seems clear is that when Victor feels as though he has been picked on too much, he lashes out. The height difference between Victor and Jalen Brunson is the same as someone like Jalen Brunson and someone who's like 4, 9, 410. That is correct. That's great. Just to get a reference for the scale we're dealing with here.

Yes. So think about this though. He'd had enough of Nas Reid and he lashed out and elbowed him in the mouth. Every time they get near Victor, the Knicks do, somebody puts two hands on him. Like this is an old school physical. The only thing that's missing by and large is the old school hard fowls. but they are allowing a level of contact, especially off the ball that is from a previous era of basketball. But Jailen Brunson got up on Victor like that.

Victor wrapped his arms around him and threw him down, stood over him, went back to what he was doing, and then when Jalen Brunson got up, he didn't even come try to push him around or anything, right? He just got up and started pointing up like he had some sort of issue. It looked like when Chris Paul was fussing that Diadre, at that time, right? And he's pushing up and Victor laughs at him

as he goes and goes and plays defense over there. Meanwhile, at the exact same time, it was Carl that Kelton Johnson was guarding, right? Yeah. And muscling him up at the same time, okay? Why that is important to me, the Spurs have decided that they're going to get physical with the Knicks, and something has led them to believe

that the Knicks ain't built for it, because the Knicks have those guys that are bigger, but they've not necessarily played with like an aggressive physicality, I guess is the way to put it. What I feel like I have seen as a result of that, the physicality against towns seem to make him shrink. He only had, what, 11 points in that game, I want to say? Something like that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they were touching him up whenever they could. And you could see how frustrated he was in the first half over it. He got a bucket on, they're doing a lot of screaming on Luke Cornyette, which is like, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, come on. You remember Josh Hart got, Josh Hart said to get mad at Luke Cornyette for no reason to try to get up and start pushing him. Right. You're playing yourselves by doing that one right there. Like, just, just, guys, guys, guys, it's Luke Cornyette, right?

Like, that's not, you're not, you're not, you're not setting the tone when you do this, right? But towns seem to shrink a bit at the physicality. Also, towns went back to committing some not too wise fouls. but Brunson. Brunson is not shrinking in the face of the physicality. Brunson is behaving like short people behave in moments like those. I ain't no punk, man. And they are doing or the Knicks seem from here. You can tell me if I'm wrong.

But the Knicks seem to have done what I thought the Spurs should try to goad them into doing. which is turn this into ISO Brunson. Get it to a place where that guy slows down the offense because he got to show them who's boss and watch him dribble the air out of the ball. I was watching TV this morning before we got in here and they showed a possession where that dude dribbled the ball for 21 seconds of the shot clock.

And when he does it in part because Brunson doesn't have a wiggly game, He's not getting it done quick, right? Like he's doing all the jabs, he's doing all the... And that's... And you see it on his face, right? They have got him super frustrated. Like, Mike Brown needs to have one of them film sessions that makes everybody feel a little uncomfortable,

but it involves specifically pointing your finger at number 11 and saying, I don't care how many points you had. You out here messing it up for everybody when you do it like that. And the truth is, that's what happened. I don't think there's any other way around that. The other part was, and I get why they feel this way,

they decided their brand of physical ball got everybody into foul trouble. I also note this. I don't know how big a deal this is, but I don't think it's a small one. One thing that I had noticed in that crazy month they had was, again, Landry Schammett was playing like number 44. And last game, he went back to playing like Landry Schammett. you know, like those little things were happening at the margins with guys like that. And Deuce McBride seemed to be hitting every shot that they had this time.

They got it out of Jordan Clarkson. And one day we will talk about how Jordan Clarkson came into the NBA at age 22, looking completely different than he does at this age right now. Like in a way, normally people start with this youthful stuff and then mature into something a little bit more chilled out. Hell no, he went completely in the opposite direction. Like, Jordan Clarkson, if you look at the picture of Jordan Clark's when he first got to the league versus now, you know what he looked like? Jordan Clarkson looked like he got five years because he is going to school, doing the training,

prayers and vitamins and everything else. And his cousin was like, yo, give me a ride to the store right fast. And he's like, sure, that's my cousin. And the next thing you know, his cousin came out of the store was like, go, go, go, go, go, go. And then they got caught. And he was like, your honor, I didn't have anything. I didn't have any idea what it was. Right?

And he was just in that motherfucker, man. Then he came out. He did what he had to do to survive. You know, just what it was. But no, that's what it seemed like to me, is that the Knicks responded to the physicality at the top in the two worst ways that they possibly could have. Right?

On the other side, what you'd hope your superstar player to do, he did. Showed up, right? Stefan Castle, who, by the way, that's going to be a stressful ride for Spurs fans. Like, if this is what it's going to be, this is a tough one, because he got one problem, man. He ain't good at dribbling and he has a dribble-dependent game.

Also, he is not scared to shoot, and that is not necessarily a compliment. Yeah, but I tell you what else, he's also just the generally not scared. Yes. All right, like they, like, they was ready to tussle a bit, right? But it's so funny, like looking at the box score and as he was making the buckets,

Castle's end result felt much better than it felt watching him play. Right. It did not feel like I was watching somebody play well. Quite honestly, it looked like somebody who had fallen for the same trick as Jalen Brunson. Dylan Harper went five for 18.

And I did not feel nearly as uneasy about what was going on when he had to ball as I would have with Castle. Yeah, the thing about Castle is just, he's very demonstrative. So everything he does, you can just kind of, it's just very obvious. out there. Well, he also, so he and Harper both have the same thing to me, which is sometimes,

like I said, sometimes arrive slow, sometimes arrive fast and you're not exactly sure which it's going to be. But they both have it where my man said that Castle Lake going to play very long because he said his knees are going to go out because it's a lot of sudden stops and then slow down and go the other way or whatever it is. But hey, when the buckets are falling, you got it. They're falling. But man, I don't know. If I were to spurs, I'd have been a little bit shook about how it went. The thing for Victor is this. And I don't feel like we've seen him really be like this yet in the postseason.

He put up 32 points in that game on 18 shots. Now you have to do it again. Right? Like I don't want to sound like Shaq. Well, Shaq, what does he need to do? He needs to dominate. He needs to put up 40 points or 25 rebounds. Well, shit.

Let you put it like that, Shaq. It all seems so clear. but it's got to be that same thing again, though. Like, there's no room for days off anymore. It's about the focus. I've talked about this with Last Dance with Jordan, and I think it's the most telling, I think the most important line in there

is I forget who it was that was saying it, but they made the point that would have made Michael Jordan better than everybody else was his ability, no matter what, to be absolutely present in the moment that was before him. Nothing else mattered in the world, except what was going on right then and there. And when you think about it,

it explains what Jordan was just about all the way through, right? Like what, especially once it hit like that critical mass. But we don't, we have years in series where we talked about, oh, Jordan didn't get it done when he was younger or whatever. And what happened in 95, but we don't have a lot of damn. Mike just, I just shit to bid, that game. Maybe you don't play well, but it's never the, oh, man, he just didn't have it, right? Victor from here on out, if they're going to win,

You may not have to score 32 every time, but you have to show up like you have the majority of the last six quarters. That's what your team needs. Because otherwise, you're depending on 20-year-old Dylan Harper, 21-year-old O.C., Stefan Castle, Deeran Fox, who to me, hey, man, you got to be the old man. That's what you're supposed to be, right? He's got to be that guy at this point.

because hey man he can get to the bucket he can get those shots even though he went four for 14 like i said i felt like it was a better game than him going four for 14 that's what it's got to be but they just withdstood as hostile an environment as there would be right i thought and i think this bore out that the nicks would have to worry about being a little shaky early because it would be so much that was going on but the fact that the spurs stood tall through that weathered that storm on to come back and then in the second half still got it done. Hey, baby, we got a series. And it is not a series where people like the winner of game four is going to win this. Maybe not. I don't feel nearly that confident. I don't feel like the spurs are done just in case, just because they go down 3-1.

Like, I think we have a series, but I'm going to tell you this. When I speak for New York, I feel pretty confident. When I say I speak for New York, I speak for people in New York, probably primarily people in New York who are not from New York, but this is about what's going on in the city, okay? It was 2-0. Knicks. The Knicks going down 2-1 made things interesting.

If the Knicks go down to 2-all, not going to lie. It's going to be kind of hilarious. But if the Knicks go down to 3, it's going to be unsafe. I will not be leaving my house. It's not going to be. It's not going to be because look, man, they're going to be looking

and they're going to be asking me for answers. on the street. Well, buddy, what are we going to do? First of all, take your hand off my shoulder. Let's start there. That's the first thing we're going to do is give me three feet. That's where we go start.

I need it those three feet. I greatly appreciate you. Man, I do not want this season to end, man. I would love for this to go all the way to seven because, man, not only has this been great, you imagine this series and ended it before? What were we going to talk about

until I went on vacation? I have no idea. Me neither. This is Brendan Soresby story that I had kind of been paying attention to, but was it really paying attention to until yesterday when apparently this became the end of college sports forever?

And so, Ron, you correct me if I'm wrong here. Sorsby started at Indiana. And in 2022, when he was a backup or he was not playing, he made a lot of bets on Indiana. Indiana football. I want to say 40 bets on Indiana football. A lot of bets in general, but also a lot of bets on Indiana football. On Indiana football, the one that jumped out is that in one game, he bet on the quarterback to go under on yards, which is, that's an

insider trading situation, right? Which I don't, we'll get to more of it, but that doesn't offend me on the integrity of the game meter, quite to say. Like, you're taking your own under. Hey, that's a little bit too. The Terry Rozier, as it's often referred to. Yeah, the Jotte Port. Right? Like those are a little bit different. But anyway, the kid had a gambling issue. And I can say kid, because at the time he was 18 with his hand, but he had a gambling issue. I think he bet something like $90,000, which is kind of crazy sign of the Times situation or whatever it is. He wound up transferring to Cincinnati. And I guess it's at Cincinnati that he came for, or wherever point it was, he has gone into treatment for his gambling addiction. He has the gamblers anonymous meetings, all of these things. But like there was a that there's a problem and that he has been working on that problem. The other thing that's important to note is that he has NFL potential and was probably the most talented quarterback that was in the transfer portal this year. And he went to Texas Tech where Texas Tech got a booster name Cody Campbell,

who's got a billion dollars, who's made himself a significant power player in college football. And basically they're the new SMU. And I don't mean that in the sense that they're cheating. But what I mean that is in the sense is that in Texas he take the football thing really, seriously. And there are all these, Texas, unlike the other states, has all these other smaller, but still big schools that play at this level of football, right? It's like six, seven, eight, you know, like high level FBS schools in Texas. Yeah, there's a lot of them. Yeah, yeah. Like, and so, but what always happens is there's some cadre of rich people who decides, why can't,

they all want to be as good as Texas, basically. And so somebody puts their money where they mouth is and they decide they're going to be good as good as Texas. And Texas Tech is the latest one and they get how they can get top notch players in there. And anyway, get these people to go to Wobbeck. Couldn't be me. Um, Cody Campbell is not going to let a little gambling situation stop him from getting a really good quarterback. And so he is there. Um, because of the gambling and the likes, the NCAA gave him a permanent ban, right? Yes, I believe he was permanently banned. Okay.

He hired Jeffrey Kessler. And if you know anything about Jeffrey Kessler, look him up. That is a high-powered attorney, a guy that represents like the NFL Players Association. For example, you can go through and get his list of clients, man. It's pretty staggered. Anyway, they got a temporary injunction to allow Soresby to play this season. and that hit college football media like a ton of bricks. And the message that they received from this was that if a player is caught gambling,

oh, well, what's the big deal? Now, I have had a lot of thoughts about this that are kind of sort of, for me to a degree all over the place, but I feel like they all really come back to like, I don't know if it's the same place, but kind of, we staying in the same key, I guess, is the way that I would wind up putting this. I think what frustrated me in watching the response from my colleagues

is how many of them just immediately landed at, if you are caught gambling on your own team, you should be banned from playing hard stop, right? Because the question I kept asking, as I watched all the responses pour in was, hey, has anybody read the decision? Was the ruling just? And please understand,

the real reason this injunction matters is because of how long it takes to resolve such a thing, which is to say, an injunction doesn't necessarily mean that Sorsby has won the whole damn thing. What the injunction meant and what the judge said was that there is a probability that Soresby would win if we took this to court. And since that's the case, he will suffer permanent injury if you don't let him participate this year.

Now, the judge centered his participation largely around having access to the team and the community and all the things around the team because he's a gambling addict. then the next part of it is like draft prep and obviously the money that he would not receive. But the point is he could never get those things back. Therefore, the injunction is in place because it would be too much to take those things away from him, given that there is a probability that he would win the case on the back end. Okay. I found A, the fact that they thought he might win on the back end to be interesting. But number two, I asked,

this question. And I don't know if anybody else is asking this question, but I think this is important. Is a zero tolerance policy for a player that, as I read this, the NCAA does not deem to be an integrity risk. They do not believe that he behaved in any way intended to truly influence the outcome of games. Do we really want to have a zero tolerance policy with the 18-year-olds given the landscape that we have now, how susceptible these people are going to be to falling into this same trap, and given that you need to be able to create a world

that encourages the young men who have problems to go get help. Enacting a zero-tolerance policy makes it much more difficult for those guys to go get help or make the decision to go get help. And I'll have you know, just as a parallel example to this, I have talked to people and specifically women who work around matters of domestic violence, take a case like Ray Rice. And what those people have made the point of is that if you enact a zero tolerance policy, you create a world where it is actually, in many cases, more dangerous to the women

because the stakes are so high and they are often still married to or with these men and wish to still be with these men and so the idea that in order for them to get relief they have to create a world where it makes it impossible for down the line for that man to work which also could potentially make that man even matter and more likely to kill you.

You have to ask yourself whether the idea of zero tolerance is more important than what zero tolerance means in application. and I am not sure that the zero tolerance as described works in application. Now, the argument that's made, and I think is an understandable one, is once people don't believe in the truth of what it is that they are seeing, then the integrity of the game falls apart and basically its entire foundation goes away. Obviously, I agree with that. We talked about this when the gambler stuff happened with the MB, you know,

with Chauncey Billups and all those guys. Like, that's the point that I made. And I believe that there is absolutely something to that. I get where it is that you're coming from. But I think you got to go think about this to a second level. And I think the second level is very important. And a big part of why the second level is important in this case is because we're dealing with young people, which also leads to another interesting part of this decision, Ryan,

which is part of what the judge had to say about this was that given the inundation of gambling and the relationship that the NCAA member schools have with gambling, it feels a touch disingenuous for them to kick somebody out permanently because they got into the same business that you got into. Right. I think it is very interesting how universal the condemnation of this was. Yeah. For, I think people are just like trained to treat everything like like everyone who does this is Pete Rose. Yes. And I think that is,

I think that's a comparison that's apples and bowling balls for a lot of reasons. But also the only reason that Pete Rose wound up with the real lifetime suspension situation that he had was because he kept lying. Right. If he had stopped lying, they'd have probably led his ass back after a year.

But he lied about it for 15 years. That was what ultimately doomed him, right? That isn't what happened here. It's just not the case in this situation is what went down. So I'm not saying that the idea of zero tolerance, I don't understand it. But I am saying everybody immediately coming down in the fashion that they did, to me, implied that people did not really give this that much thought and it became an outrage contest very, very quickly.

And then you go ask all these coaches what they think about it. And now all these schools are saying, oh, how about we'll just boycott. And we're just not going to play. against Texas Tech anymore. Yeah, how about that? Which is not going to happen in application because it's way too much money on the line. And it's these are,

they stopped doing them television bowl bands a long time ago. Right. Once you start saying, we're not going to play this opponent. You're essentially ripping up your TV contract. Yes. And no one's giving up all that money. Let me tell you who really can't afford

to do nothing like that. The big 12. Okay. Those things are not likely to happen. But there are other things because I did a lot of talking with lawyers this morning as we got in to talk about, you know, as I prepared to get in and talk about doing this. Tom Mars, who I did not talk to about this, but I did talk to Tom Mars for the article I did in Vanity Fair about Trinidad Chamble as he represented him in that case. Tom was one of the people who was most vociferous in his opposition to this decision, right? And there are a couple of reasons that I think he was vociferous in this.

Number one is the fear that this sort of decision that makes people feel like the sky is falling. Because that's the thing people are like, oh my God. Well, if the NCAA can't do this, what is it good for? What I've been asking you for the last 25 years is exactly that question. Yes, the whiz is Richard Pryor, motherfucker. We've been talking about this forever. Now you see it. Got it.

Okay. Anyway, but Marr's concern is that this is drastic enough. shocking enough that it might make Congress get involved and pass this new bill. Because you'll notice the coordinated responses for people in college sports all were, this is ridiculous, and this is why we need Congress. They all said the same thing. Don't you think for a second that the NCAA itself hates this decision? Because all they've done is look for somebody else to solve their problems for them.

And they feel like now maybe this is enough to get the fire department to show up. Right? maybe now, you know what it is before? They was just treating it like somebody car got stole, right? They don't investigate that. Now they're like, somebody broke in my house. Oh shit, man, I guess we got to look into that. Come dust for fingerprints or whatever it is.

But that's one thing. Number two, though, is that Mars has this really inventive defense. And he used this, or theory rather, and he used this in the Chambliss case. And it was effectively used also in this case. There are some state federal stuff that I think is a little too complex for me to get into right now. but this part I think is important. And when I talk to Mars about this,

I can hear his smile as he explained how this works. And the long and the short is, the NCAA's mission statement implies, or not implies, it clearly states that it exists for the improvement of the well-being of student athletes. Well, I don't even like that term, but you know, that's the one they came up with.

That's the one they use. Yeah, they're there to serve the athletes. That's what it's for, okay? Therefore, every decision they make needs to be made with that athlete in mind. And at every point, they need to be able to show how their decision helps the athlete. In this case, the idea that you're removing Sorsby

from the community and environment that helps him with his treatment, that is not an athlete-first decision. Therefore, the NCAA cannot justify that decision. Right? It's an extension of what Mars is talking about. I bring that up to say Mars is like, hey, man,

y'all messing up my good thing, dog. That ain't going to blame this shit on me. That's how it felt. Right? Like, there was a tinge of that in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, that was that was the part that I, I did pick up on, was just kind of feeling like,

ooh, um, hmm, I didn't mean it that way. Right. Now, of course, this is also an issue. because this approach can be used in a lot of cases for a lot of people. Like this is, this is tough for the NCAA, which pretty consistently gets his ass handed to it in court. I want to push back on one last thing. And that is the idea that this was judicial home cooking. Number one, the judge, there was a judge who was a Texas tech grad who was originally on this case and he recused himself for that very reason.

And they went and got another guy. He's retired. He worked in Tarrant County, which is in Fort Worth. like he don't go to this school. And he's the one who came to this conclusion. The argument that just about everybody makes is what happens is all these guys come in and they go get a judge to give them some home cooking. Now, when I started that Vanity Fair Pace, I started with that premise.

Because I was saying a thing that would really doom the NCAA is what these people are doing is they're going to put these, putting their paperwork in and these courthouses that in the same place as the schools. And so they are probably getting a kinder audience when they do that. So I asked Mars about that. And Mars was like, nah, here's the thing. The NCAA, he went through a long thing about it. I can't remember. I haven't written down.

I have notes here about it. But the longer the short was, in the end, you can only really file these lawsuits in two places. In the local market or environment, or in Indiana where the NCAA is headquartered. So I can only do it home or do it there. Why would I do it there? Right?

Where the NCAA is the one that's more likely to get the home cooking, right? This is how it works. You either got to file it where you are or there. Number two, a point he made I thought was important, which is people, these schools lose cases at home all the time. Outside of college sports, what this is is operating under the assumption that judges are incapable of being impartial and that everybody cares so much about football or basketball or whatever it is that the judge is just going to be in line with what happens there. Mars ran through a list of cases. This one, that guy lost. This one, that guy lost. This one, I didn't take that case because I knew he was

going to lose, so forth and so on. You see what I'm saying? We went straight to this place of cynicism that I just don't feel like anybody stopped and realized that there are fundamental questions to be asked, partially about the NCAA, partially about how should we teach? treat people at this age of their lives, right? Should we create a world where it is all over for them based on bad decisions that are very easy to make and that people are halfway kind of nudge toward based on the new world order? That's all of those things. Instead, my colleagues roundly just decided to flip out and say the sky is falling when

everybody had the option of stopping, calming down, breathing, and asking some second. second level questions because the real story here to me is in the second level questions. And some of those second level questions, by the way, are going to help answer when this is going to get real fun, which is next April when NFL teams have to decide if you can pass up on a potential starting quarterback because he used to gamble. There are arguments on both sides. We're going to find out what the new world order is for real when we decide how much forgiven they give him. And now, New York, the weight is over.

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So I thought I had a pretty good question for you. And it's what is the largest crowd pop you've ever been a part of? Mine was when my dad took me to a bear's game at Soldier Field. And we had Devin Hester. And it was Adrian Peterson's rookie year. He ran all over us. but Devin Hester broke free for a punt, return for a touchdown,

and hearing the crowd go crazy for that was the largest. So that's my question for you. Thanks, you and Ryan, for everything you do. I feel like people who have known me and heard me for a while are probably a little tired of hearing me say this one, but Ray Allen hit that shot, dog. Yeah. Ray Allen hit that shot.

That was, oh, and it was chaos. I told you, my whole thing was chaos. I had gone from the top to get to the floor, then I couldn't go in the tunnel, then I had to kneel down on the baseline and everything else, and it was like, oh, except, no, there might have been one thing with a louder pop than that one, and that's any time that boy Birdman will block shot.

White people love Birdman, dog. speaking of hey bull how you doing tonight hey this is running out of Nashville and I was calling but first of all I appreciate your show the reason I was calling because that's your

you know twice as good at this I think man you gotta make sure we ask Scott Skiles in this the dude had to work extra hard man especially down Orlando man to get those the father or assist that he got down there

and he was he was going to he was going to bad team too at that time so i think he needs to be the poster child for the twice for the twice as good for the twice as good for the twice as good for the twice as goodness but anyway as i say both appreciate the show enjoying what you do and keep doing your thing and and and remember raf wilder peace hey man we always here for a ralph wiley shout i appreciate you um on that um um I hate it when that happens. What do you just say?

Oh, he's talking about Scott Seisles. Yeah, let me tell you this. First of all, I'm careful of what I say about Scott Sciles. I said someone once about Scott Sciles on the radio, and I got a phone call from Scott Schiles. On the air? And it was no on my phone. Oh, wow.

Well, I understand where he was coming from, right? You remember that Sports Illustrator, well, you probably don't remember in a real time. You probably read about the Sports Illustrated article about all the dead-be dads in the NBA. had the picture of the little boy with the basketball undercover like, where's my dad or something like that?

And Scott Skiles was prominently mentioned in that article. But apparently none of it was true. But I didn't know that because the Sports Illustrated. Of course. And so somebody told Scott Scowles about her. Scott Schuyles got a Google alert, man.

Scott Schiaz called me hot. And I'm like, hey, man, I apologize to you. But like, this ain't raising. I got it. you know what I'm saying? Like it took a lot to like talk Scott Skiles through that. Like it really did.

I'd say all that to say, that was why I didn't put Scott Skiles on the list. Tay, this is about Scott Skiles, though, boy, that's he the one you don't want no problems with. Like, I think who it was, what's my man's name? Used to cover Kentucky basketball, then he covered the Thunder.

His first name is Brett. I can't remember his last name. But he talked about Scott Sciles get into a fight in a high school, All-Star game in Indiana. Like when he was 18, when he was 17. That's awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no.

Scott Sciles, he's definitely working twice as hard. And I just don't want him, like, bringing that shit over here again. The twice as hard might be its own episode. Trust me, don't you worry. It'll, I spy a recurring bit. And speaking of, let's end on this. Hey, Beaumani. It was the summer of 2003.

Your boy, A.A. Ron, here in Kansas City at the time. was a sophomore in high school and my mom signed me up for this summer program at the University of Missouri-Rollah, one of those nerdy engineering schools and I was doing an engineering program some like kind of summer transportation

institute thing anyway, to prepare you to go in fields of engineering met this white girl named Keisha changed my life Escher your boy into puberty. I know it was only about, what, like 16 or herself?

Changed my life forever. She was a white girl from Arkansas, of all places, Arkansas. And, yeah, your boy was looking like Jesus Sheltersworth, aka Ray Allen in that scene. You know the one. Some of y'all may know. If you know, you know, smile on ear to ear. And it was just her. It wouldn't even, too.

It was just heard. White Ties. and yeah. Oh, one more thing before I go. We need to get Pastor Kearney Thompson to pray over the spurs instead of these nuns because these nuns ain't working. Or they can get Whoopi Goldberg

and Sister act to pray over them. Anyway, we'll see what happens. Appreciate the show. I'll let you later. I'm not going to lie, Ryan. I'm taking a lot out of the fact that not only does this man refer to himself in the third person, to people who have no idea who he is. He does it with a dramatic spelling,

which I take to say he's been telling this story about white Keisha forever and ever. It's clearly a seminal moment. It is. But I want to know what everybody involved in this conversation look like. That's what I'm curious about. And so are the rest of you.

Because there's assumptions that a lot of black people make about relationships of this dynamic in this sort of place. And then I had the day where I realized white people assume the exact same thing. Everybody want to know what white Keisha look like. And very few people are affording you the benefit of the doubt in this moment. But hey, ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here on the right time. We do this four days a week. Ryan Brumley handled things behind the scene. Thank you, sir.

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