The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Will Knicks Make NBA Finals with Mike Brown, Steelers Exploiting TJ Watt | 7.7

Episode Date: July 7, 2025

On today's episode of The Right Time, Bomani Jones discusses the New York Knicks hiring Mike Brown and T.J. Watt holding out. Bo begins the show by saying why this Mike Brown hire is interesting (1:59) because the Knicks should win the Eastern Conference with Jayson Tatum and Tyrese Haliburton injured (2:45). Bo continues by explaining why the Knicks do have an unreal amount of pressure on them and the clock is already ticking on this roster (10:28). Transitioning to the NFL, Bo talks about T.J. Watt holding out because he wants a Myles Garrett-type contract (18:25) and that this current Pittsburgh Steelers team reminds him of the Philadelphia Eagles 'Dream Team' because their roster is full of aging vets - which does not work in today's NFL (25:22). And finally, we have another round of If You Haven't Heard stories involving why Americans are sleeping less, billionaires going crazy and Gen Z having less sex (32:15). Then Bomani listens to some voicemails about the craziest thing you've seen someone do to get their money back. (44:34) If You Haven't Heard Contributors: Isabel Fattal, The Atlantic, "How Sleeping Less Became an American Value" https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2025/06/how-sleeping-less-became-an-american-value/683331/ David Frum, The Atlantic, "Why Do Billionaires Go Crazy? "https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/archive/2025/06/david-frum-show-tina-brown-iran-nuclear-program/683320/ Jia Tolentino, New Yorker, "Are Young People Having Enough Sex?" https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2025/06/30/the-case-against-the-sexual-revolution-louise-perry-book-review-the-second-coming-carter-sherman . . . Subscribe to Supercast for Ad-Free Episodes: https://righttime.supercast.com/ Subscribe to The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Spotify, Apple or wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok for all the best moments from the show. Download Full Podcast Here: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6N7fDvgNz2EPDIOm49aj7M?si=FCb5EzTyTYuIy9-fWs4rQA&nd=1&utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-right-time-with-bomani-jones/id982639043?utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Follow The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Social Media: http://lnk.to/therighttime Support the Show: Go to zbiotics.com/BOMANI to learn more and get 15% off your first order when you use BOMANI at checkout. Celebrate the progress you’ve already made. Visit ⁠BetterHelp.com/BOMANI⁠ today to get 10% off your first month. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A Wave Original. My name is Beaumani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater.

We're going to talking a little bit about the Pittsburgh Steelers and why they look familiar. And I don't mean that in no good way. But first, I send a shout out to Kavante, Turpin of the Dallas Cowboys, he run back kicks for them. It is amazing, by the way, Ryan, how famous you can get by playing for the Dallas Cowboys. Because it's not like Turpin isn't good at running back kicks, but I don't know him for

running back kicks if he does not run back kicks with the Cowboys. He's not Devin Hester. Right. And the Cowboys weren't even good, right? But like once you're there and you're in one of those places, it's kind of like playing basketball for Duke in college, too. I know who more Duke Bums are than any other school there's ever been because they put those herbs on television over and over and over and over again.

But anyway, Comante Turpin got pulled over with some weed and a gun that apparently he didn't have all the proper paperwork for. I don't really care about that. I'm just telling you, because I've told you guys many, many times, this is that time of year where we sit around waiting on somebody to get locked up. I was in California over the weekend doing a bunch of things. And I saw people talk about some Turpin guy and everything around him. I couldn't figure it out.

And I'm like, damn, what's going on? Then I'm like, oh, that's right. We're scraping the bowl for content, baby. That's what we got. Like, damn, too bad we don't care more about tennis. I hear they have a very important tournament that's going on. But lucky for us on this program, New York Knicks went ahead and finally hired a head coach,

and they hired Mike Brown. And I think we have talked some about Mike Brown on this show before. But this hire is interesting because this is a very Dickensian. best of times, worst of times job that you could pick up. It is obviously under the realm of the best of times because A, the Knicks are good, okay? Good enough that they made it to the conference finals last year. You could make the argument that they made the conference finals last year simply because Jason Tatum got injured. I'm not sure that I would go that far, but I think it is a fair point. However, Jason Tatum is still going to be injured. So the circumstances that created that, boom.

They're still there. They lost to the Indiana Pacers. Tyrese Halliburton, like Jason Tatum, suffered a torn Achilles. Okay, cool. You can make an argument that on its face, the Knicks should be the favorites to win the East. Now, I have been a basketball fan for probably about 40 years. I have been living in New York for eight years. I can tell you this next part with utmost certainty, okay? If you can make an argument that the Knicks, are the best team in the east? People in New York believe the Knicks are the best team in the world. All they ever need is an argument. A point, something one might be able to say in these times. And I just gave it to you right there, the plausible argument that they should be the best team in the east.

And by the way, as I think more about it, it is not simply a plausible argument. What else you got? Who else is it supposed to be? Like I'm sitting here now looking at all the teams in the east. Ryan, we're going to have a long year living in New York as people who did not grow up as Nick's fans. Oh, yeah. Because, I mean, you can talk yourself into, you know, Celtics having a down year. with the Tatum injury. Pacer's having a down year with the Halliburton injury.

Who knows what's going on with Milwaukee. Right. Right. Another Achilles team, although he don't even play on the roster no more. He's not even on the roster. Do you believe in Orlando? Do you believe in Detroit? And if you get in the NBA finals, well, anything can happen. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. You all ready. We both sound like Knicks fans right now. Like, we are there. Good for business.

come to me on the streets. I don't know. What do you think? What do you think? That's what they were doing when they was a 30 win team. I don't know. What do you think? Right. So all I'm saying is Mike Brown, you're expected to win the East. And if you're expected to win the East, you might be kind of sort of expected to win the whole goddamn thing. I don't know if he knows that. That's kind of what you're walking into. And it isn't really that often that somebody walks into a situation where they get a head coaching job and people look at you and expect that sort of thing. Now, the reason for that is obvious. Normally, people don't get fired after they go to the conference finals, but that is, in fact, what happened to the New York Knicks. Now, where this is

interesting to me, specific to Mike Brown and a part that I think I've talked about on this show before, but I think it's something that we can't talk about nearly enough. I can't think of any coach who has been fired more times for no good. good reason than Mike Brown. Okay. I am going to pull up Mike Brown's coaching record on this year Wikipedia. Okay. We're not sponsored by those other people anymore, so I won't use them. Mike Brown won 50 games his first year with the Cavs, 50 games and went to the finals the second year. They went 45 in the conference semifinals and then back to back 60 win seasons. Okay. The prevailing sentiment from there had been that in an effort to try to get LeBron to stay and a belief

that LeBron did not want to play for Mike Brown, the Cavs let him go at the end of 2010. Another thing that is worth noting is that Dan Gilbert has never, if I have not mistaken, signed a head coach to a contract extension. But anyway, after a combined 125,000. wins in two seasons and a playoff series that you lost in large part because LeBron James quit in game five. No more Mike Brown. Okay. Come back during the lockout season. You're getting the last of what Kobe Bryant has to offer. They lost in the conference semifinals, not because of coaching, but because Kobe shot them out of the end of those games.

Five games into the next season, Mike Brown gets fired. Okay. He goes and coaches the Cavs, a Cavs team that was bad, 33 and 49. Okay, by the way, the only actual losing season Mike Brown has ever had. Remember what I said that thing about LeBron before? Okay. Well, LeBron was coming back. Mike Brown gets fired. Sacramento has their two best seasons with Mike Brown that they had had, and God knows how long.

Yes, God does know this. I personally do not. halfway through year three, not even halfway through year three, 13 and 18. He's got to go have a talk with Deer and Fox. We all see it on camera. Then he gets fired. All I'm saying is, I don't think that you can make an argument at any point that Mike Brown has been fired for performance.

He's been fired because he didn't get along with the best player. He's been fired because of the Hail Mary to try to keep a best player. He's been fired because Jerry Buss was dying and they were panicking and trying to win a championship before it was all over. he has never been fired for poor performance. He has been a part of four championships as an assistant. He has worked under Greg Popovich. He has worked under Steve Kirk.

All of these things, to me, sound incredibly positive. Now you are coming to coach the first Knicks team that I can remember having expectation. What could possibly go wrong? Oh, my gosh. Well, hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on, right? Not just expectation, okay? I am assuming that he will still have Rick Brunson as assistant coach.

As now, that is what's being reported. Okay. Whatever they have amongst themselves as a roster, he's still got to deal with. Whatever it is that you have to figure out about Carl Anthony Town, because I feel like this, year one for Towns went very well on the court. Year two is when the scrutiny and everything else starts, right?

For everybody that's involved in this team, By the way, the locals were madden up to fire Tom Thibito, right? They were generally on board with that. Now, a point that I have made, right, you know, we haven't been doing this this long. I don't know if you ever heard me talk about this, but I have to, you know, bring these up for you for everybody else. You never know who's watching you play for the first time, right? Correct, yeah. Go to Maggio out here.

I can make an argument for firing anybody. Right. Right. 30 teams in the NBA, 25 of them, I guarantee you, I could make an argument for firing them if I want to fire them. The reason you get fired is somebody wants to fire you. Okay. But this wasn't like they fired Thibito and then everybody that watched the next is like,

oh, this is insane. No, they thought that team should have been better. I don't know if I thought that team should have been better, but they thought that team should have been better. Okay. It's going to be the same way for Carl. honestly at some point the clock's going to run out on jalen brunson i don't care what kind of discount they getting on him right mcale bridges who clearly doesn't want anybody to ever touch him

when he puts up a shot all that's going to start coming down on him josh hart being a power forward but not really a power forward because look at him the clock's going to start running on that this is going to be a team that is under an unreal amount of pressure right? That's what Mike Brown is walking into. I was talking to somebody and went and I went to over the weekend. We were talking about Carolina basketball, right? And I was talking specifically about the years that they won championships in 05 and 09. You could even say this about 2017. I was on campus in 05. I was working in media in 2009. And it was amazing how the lead up to those teams were fairly joyless. The championships and the wins, you saw the excitement, but the

lead-ups with joyless and the reason was very simple. They were supposed to win. It was as clearly championship robust as I have ever seen for any set of teams. And that's a weird feeling, especially with college players, right? Like it's win or bust. You have players that had gone through a lot on the way there. But it was really just that either you win or you don't. That was it. There was no other alternative. That's not fun, right? But it wasn't terribly unreasonable. with the Knicks. I don't even think that that's a totally reasonable way to look at the season, but this is what it's going to be.

And that is what Mike Brown is walking into. Now, I have seen the argument where people are like, well, Mike has never coached under the kind of pressure that comes from coaching in New York. I disagree with that. He's coached LeBron James, again, getting fired after winning 60 games two years in a row. That sounds like pressure to me, right? He's coached LeBron James and he has coached the Lakers. I think he's dealt with the Lakers with Kobe Bryant, Dwight Howard, Powhatasol, Steve Nash.

Yes, not to be fair. It didn't last very long, but still. Right, right? He did for a couple of weeks. Right. He only did that for a couple of weeks. But it was still Kobe and Powell Gasol and succeeding Phil Jackson. Yeah. Right?

Like, it was still those things. All of that has been there. I think by and large that he will be able to manage it. But I also acknowledge the part. possibility that there's a level to where this can go for that team in terms of what we see that we haven't seen before. Right. All of that is possible. Yo, this is going to be such in wild NBA season because everything I'm saying there about the Knicks, in my mind, I don't think anybody else really right now off the top of my head, except for maybe the calves, has a better

argument for why they should win the East. I don't have anybody else that's there. Like, Ryan, you mentioned the magic. And I guess they got Desmond Bain. I'm not there yet. No. Can't get there. Not there. I was still very young. I hate their New Jersey's. Can we talk about that for a second? Have you seen their New Jersey's? Which ones do you hate? I hate the idea of all of them. And the reason I hate it is they're so uncreate. Is everybody out of ideas, Every idea has to be an old idea, right? And so all they did was take old ideas and try to hit them with a little razzard just flip it up.

Like, you know, it felt like our buns have no seeds. Like every jersey looks like the big Mick. Every jersey that every jersey they broke out, they're like, oh, man, I love it. They look. They all look like something else. If you go look like something else, just be something else. Yeah. Right.

But even then, I'm like, yo, we ain't got no new ideas. But anyway, no, I'm with you. They are very young, and I don't feel like they have enough sides. I feel like you don't go from being the worst offense in the NBA to competing for an NBA championship. And I don't think that's a one-season progression. Don't see it. Don't see it.

I do not see it. But it's enough that everybody thinks they got a chance. We also, by the way, have the Philadelphia situation where a lot of how bad they were last year had to do with injuries that there's no excuse for them being that bad. Darry, all y'all go need to get to it, I guess is the point. But with nobody that has truly emerged, it's your time, New York, Knicks. It is your time, Mike Brown. And I think he has a great temperament for handling all of this.

And I want to say again, I think he's a good coach. I don't think that you can look and make any arguments about Mike Brown as being bad coach. Maybe you can say he is not great coach, but I think he is a good coach. And something that I think is very ironic is a big part of the reason that Thibito is losing, lost that gig was offense. The criticism that we had for a very long time of Mike Brown was that he was a defense guy who couldn't really put it together for you on offense. In fact, that five games that got him fired with the Lakers, the big change they made that year as he went and hired Eddie Jordan and brought in a Princeton offense because he had to get somebody to run the offense. for Mike Brown. Then Mike went and spent all that time working with the, what you call them, with the Warriors. And he figures some stuff out at Point Sacramento had like some all-time

great offense. They got as good a coach as you could expect in a situation truly unlike anything that I can remember. Maybe it's going to be fun living in New York. It'll be a lot more fun if they win a lot of games. It'll be a lot more crazy if they don't. All right, Ryan, as we were scraping the bowl for content to try to prepare this show for these wonderful people. I feel like this is our, I was about to say this is our first July show, which it kind of actually is.

But it is our first real July show. Some days we show up, some days we have to work. Right, right. This is our first Monday July show where it's just me and you that's making it happen. If I'm not mistaken, was Monday a week ago? Was that us? We were still

working with the finals, right? Like we were coming off of that? That was two weeks ago. I think, yeah, it's two weeks ago. But we had stuff. But the week before was NBA three agency and all that stuff. And Malik Beasley.

And Malik Beasley. Which, by the way, you guys can't get enough of that story. Ryan, I learned and did not know that apparently Cairo cuts the barbershop in Milwaukee is like, shall we say, super cuts? I did not know that either.

Like great clips? Yeah, we're learning something new every day. Yeah, that, that, That's what that's what, no, okay, okay, okay. It's like great clips, but they got a dude named Lonnie and a woman named Viro that seemed to be like maybe the ones who cut Malik Beasley's hair. They also got a dude named Omar who perhaps can cut Malik Beasley's hair, but does not look like it ain't the same. You feel me? Got it.

You get where I'm coming from. Yes. Wow. they got the, it's a Benetton ad at Cairo Cuts. They got M-A-H-D-I. They got Nando. They got Juanita. And they got Rick and Mike. They got Arbrile. They got Tony. Oh, okay. Anyway, neither here nor there. We are now going to have to be like a lot of other people about whom we often offer, often offer a measure of judgment. And what do I mean by that? What I mean is very simple. Now we just go have to file whatever. football topic we can get to get us through the day. I just don't want to be that person, right? Like, it may be better for business to be that person, but I'm not that person. It was either this or the Epstein list, so we might as well talk about the Steelers.

The Epstein list that doesn't exist. Correct. Or the lack of estimate. Is Aaron Rodgers on McAfee this week? We'll find out. That's your number one source for such activity. But anyway, T.J. Watt is holding out. from the Pittsburgh Steelers, which is not what I think anybody expected to be the words coming out of my mouth on this Monday.

But we go get whatever we can out of this bowl. I actually think I have something interesting to discuss when it comes to this. But T.J. Watt is holding out. And I actually find this to be funny because not funny necessarily. But I think that for a lot of us, we look at this as a very simple thing. TJ Watt, defensive player of the year type candidate, perhaps a future Hall of Famer, all of those things. It's time to give him his money. You give him his money, right? Except he's, what, 30? There have been injuries. And this is the time where football

discussions typically get to be a little awkward, right? Guys want money for what they did before. Teams are like, brother, that's not how it works. And then we go. from there. Also the deal he wants is, was given to by the Browns. Oh, he wants the Miles Garrett deal. And that number is $40 million a year. Okay. So just so we're clear, he wants the deal that was given to somebody better than him.

Yes. Okay. Now, hey, hey, hey, Miles Garrett is better than just about all of them. Yeah. Right? So I don't want to say that like it is an insightment of T.J. Watt. Correct.

However, I don't think. T.J. Watt agrees with what I just said. Right. And then, and now, that's why we're in the situation we are now. Right. And so as I, as I understand it from reading it, the, the difficulties come down to typical football stuff, the length of the deal, the amount of guaranteed money, all of this. And T.J. Watt knows that like, I think I said this about Yonis, where I was like, if I'm keeping it real. And if I'm the bucks, I'm looking at Yonis, like, man, you go come and you go play. Come on now, you are a hard worker. You know what I'm saying? They ain't really got no reason to be out here worried about you. No one's going to be worried about JJ Watts, little brother, not showing up the practice.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What is he going to do, work out somewhere else? Right, that's probably how the Steelers are looking at it, right? Like when Yon is on that way, they're like, brother, you ain't trying to go back to Athens selling hats. You're going to bring your ass in here and you're going to be. What are you going to push the sled in your own backyard? Like, come on. You are going to continue exercise.

that work ethic that got you to where you are today. That is what the Pittsburgh Steelers are saying in their minds, right? And the worst is, I bet on one level, T.J. White knows that's how they feel, and he resists the fact that that's how they feel. And on the other hand, a little part of him knows that they're right. You know what I'm saying? Like him and his brother been talking that super white man shit for so long, right?

Like, no, I'm going to pick myself up for my bootstraps and get it done. It's all about the hard work, right? And now he mad at himself. I've been that person. But you're the person that's like, I do this because this is what's right. I'm going to show up and I'm going to do my job because I do my job for me, right? I don't worry about them. I do that.

Man, they know when you act like that. They know it. And they don't respect it. They exploit it. And so now you get caught within yourself. If I do I lower myself to the standard or less to these lazy people. All right. And so I know he's going to be a decree of.

you don't go to training camp, just mad. Just doing, just doing pushups and chopping wood. Just being mad. He's in Rocky Ford, you know, running up the hill in the snow. Right. Like, just no idea what to do. His wife so sick at him. His wife being like, okay, ready, set, put, right?

He out here doing swim moves in front of her. And she's like, you better not hit me in the face. I won't hit you in the face again. I promise, right? Like, these are all the things that they are going. through it has to be miserable for all parties involved. I have this question about the Pittsburgh Steelers. Actually, before we get to that question, right? I want to bring up a conversation that I had at this wedding I went to over the weekend, right? I was talking to my buddy, John Jervais,

and I always, you know, me, I like to give credit when somebody else comes up and something. And so I forget exactly, oh, we were talking about in the NBA. And I, I was talking about, and I I think there's something that cats don't get enough credit for the NBA. Okay. If a dude signs a guaranteed contract for however much money, it doesn't play well after that contract or mails it in after that contract. We attack that person for doing that. We're just talking about Bradley Beale?

It was not him, I don't think. I think we were talking more hypothetically. But fair question you asked. Yeah. This is what Donald does when we were there. Because if the sheriff was like, yo, man, people got audacity. man. And the reason we say they got audacity is we watch people mail in jobs all the time. In fact, I have worked jobs with people who mailed it in and people were mad at me for being

mad at him for mailing it in. Right. Like, like, like, not only is a certain measure of laziness understood, it is expected as part of the human condition, right? And respected it's something in a weird way. Right, right. Like you're maximizing your ROI, your ROA, your ROA. right, like it's coming back. We need to actually start giving people more credit for still bringing it after this guaranteed money. Like the NBA is full of guys with guaranteed money who play hard all the time.

And I don't think we give them nearly as much respect as they deserve for doing that because you, yes, you would never do such a thing. You would get that guarantee check and ban on the only thing that keeps you grinding. The only thing is the landlord. That's it. If you didn't think that one day you can show up and then you got to come home and explain to the old lady why it is that y'all got to go get them great value snacks from the grocery store, right? Ain't no more whole foods. No, no, no. That's the only reason you show up to work and put in half a

goddamn effort. It's the only reason. That's it. Right? Everybody that shows up to play after getting guaranteed money, good for you. Because deep down inside, that is not very smart. And I say this is somebody who engages in such not smart behavior. Anyway, back to the Pittsburgh. They are beginning to remind me a bit of the dream team. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not that dream team. That dream team. That's right. the dream team that got Andy Reed fired. That dream team. But those of you who do not remember this,

in the year of Our Lord 2012, the Eagles went out and made a lot of free agent sightings, right? They went and got, this shouldn't be the first one to come to buy by. But excuse me, my fault. It was the year 2011, not 2012. Okay. The first one that comes to my mind is Vince Young. And it was a washed up Vince Young.

So I don't feel like calling him the dream team guy is really the best way to go about putting that. Right. But they went and got a they got Namdi Assemwa. I remember that. They got him. They got Jason Babbin. They got, they went aside Ronnie Brown. Wow, I'm looking at the list now.

They went aside a bunch of guys that I had forgotten about. but they made all these moves and got these old fairly washed up dudes. And Vince Young famously when they signed him was like, man, I feel like I'm signing up to play for it. That dream team went eight and eight. They went eight and eight. And then the year after that, Andy Reid got fired. Now, I want to be clear, that was also the year that Andy Reed got the bright idea to make the offensive line coach the defensive coordinator.

So I don't think it's fair to blame. I forgot about that. You forgot about that. Yes. I didn't realize that was like the 10 years before Belichick was doing stuff like that. Yes. Yes. And that is also the season that got Hallie Roseman essentially demoted.

And then they wouldn't. Is that when they wouldn't got Chip? No. Chip demoted Howie Roseman. Oh, Chip devoted Howard. Chip demoted Howard. Kim, DeWater, Howard Roseman. Yeah.

So, Chip, 2013 was Chip's first year. So 2012 in the middle of that year, I want to say it was in any way that he got fired during that year at the end of that year. But they made all these moves. Look, this is not a, this is not a league where getting a bunch of other people's scraps, regardless of it's scraps of sirloin, if it's scraps of fillet. They're sitting in the league we're getting other people scraps is what gets the job done. It's just right in.

Right, right. And that's what they've done. And that's not to say that they can't ultimately win because I feel like I can go pick up 11 dudes who I'm in front of the Home Depot and Mike Tomlin to win nine games with them. Right. Like I think that that's a fair point that you ultimately make. But moves like they've made including signing old ass Aaron Rogers and everything else. It's all iffy. And it all feels like the sorting for old Jalen Ramsey, which we didn't really cover last week. That is that is correct. I can't remember them all. Sneaky old. Ramsey turning 31 this year. At corner. Yeah. Like this is normally the time where people start asking you about moving a little bit farther off the ball, right? D.K. Metcalf is not old, but he's somebody else's. Like, I mean, there's a lot going on there.

And then you add on to it that T.J. Watt is not there as of yet. But again, good, hard, working red-blooded American man like him, he'll be ready. Right. but what happens if like it feels like the wheels are coming off on this team? Because Ryan, you and I have talked about this. And the point of comparison that you use that I love is the Steelers have had three coaches since when? The moon landing. The literal moon landing.

Chuck Knowles' first game was after the moon landing. A month or a half after. Yeah, a month or two, yeah. But nonetheless, they've had three coaches since then. Okay. How bad would this have to like spiral? enroll in everything else for us to be like, hey, I don't know about this Mike Tomlin thing. It's wild because you mentioned, you know, 11 dudes out of Home Depot.

I mean, he's never had a losing season, what, 17 years at this point, 15, 17 years. They also have not won a playoff game since 2016, I believe. Yes. And GM just got extended. Mike Tomlin would probably be the first hire for about 10 teams if there was an opening and about three television networks. Yep. But it's been a long time. Kind of like Andy Reid.

Yep. It feels very, very, very similar. It feels very similar. I feel like Mike Tomlin doesn't have the glaring weakness that, because Andy, Andy Reid's issues were so obvious with the clock. Yes. I don't think we don't talk about any of that anymore. No.

No, it's like, it was so obvious, even before we got so sophisticated with that sort of conversations, it was so obvious and he looked, his stare was so likely. Mike Tomlin always radiates confidence in people.

He feels like a football coach in a strange way. But people will, him tying himself to old Aaron Rogers is going to be, definitely, I think they're the most interesting team going into the season by far. And this is also in a division I would say is very interesting. I think we'd agree that Baltimore is definitely the best team in that division. We would agree that Cleveland is definitely the worst team in that division. And Cincinnati's going to score a lot of points.

Yeah. Right? That's what we know. The thing for me with Tomlin is this and where it gets interesting is that Tomlin, we agree that Tomlin is great culture guy. strategy guy. Yeah. Yeah.

Look, all I'm saying is this. Bill Belichick would cook him year after year after year after year after year. He would pull Mike Toml's pants down every year. I think Tomlin won the last time they played against each other, but just would flat out cook him every time. It's not, that's not how he's getting it done. I guess is the point that I'm making.

And maybe that'll be part of what they need. need the margins being what they are. I'm not sure. I think if they make the playoffs, we're not having any discussion, win a game or not, because they haven't had a quarterback work discussing a guy knows how long either. And I don't know how much of that is his fault. I don't know, you know exactly what the power dynamics are or whatever. And if you keep winning and you're kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't, you win nine games. You can never get you know, the Patrick Mahomes, the Josh Allen, you're never drafting high enough to get to go get the next big band. It is very rare that we look at the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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No need for the time. social media feeds. We got you. Now, if you haven't heard. All right, Bo, this first story is about work. Hi, I'm Isabel Fattal, and I'm a senior editor at The Atlantic. I recently wrote about a strange philosophy that shows up in some corners of American culture. The less you sleep, the more impressive you are. Tech CEOs and influencers love to tout their morning routines that begin at 5 a.m. or 4 a.m. or even 3 a.m. But Americans have been ascribing moral value to a lack of sleep for centuries. In 1861, an Atlantic writer railed against newspaper articles in which all persons are exhorted to early rising and to resolute abridgment of the hours of sleep.

America was built on Protestant work ethic, and the idea that hard work is an inherent good has never quite left us. The Christian ideals that dominated early American culture helped schedule leisure into the week in the form of the Sunday Sabbath. Eventually, the 40-hour work week was created, and workers were granted both Saturdays and Sundays as days off. But even as leisure became part of America's legal structure, the obsession with hard work only grew. In the 19th and early 20th centuries, pundits predicted that automation would lead to more time for fun and leisure. But another ideology took hold instead, one that the Atlantic contributor Derek Thompson calls workism. College-educated Americans in particular have come to see work as a way to build a way to build. identity and seek fulfillment. In other words, work is a quasi-religion. In recent years, a majority of

Americans have acknowledged that they'd feel better with more rest, but the mindset that sleep equals laziness is hard to shake. Perhaps one day the new brag will be to say, I sleep so much, but American society is not quite there yet. So what is interesting about that to me? as someone who is a sleeper. I sleep very regularly. In fact, I was a little disappointed in myself today because I overslep getting ready to do this show. But I was disappointed because I sleep so well. And I mean well like efficiently. You know what I'm saying? Like I get to sleep what I'm supposed to? I get the right length of time. I couldn't believe I allowed myself to oversleep because that meant I did something wrong on the front end. You get what I'm saying? I always feel like

I earn that sleep. I do it. what I'm supposed to do. I get my work done during the day. I earn that sleep. I feel like if you sleepy at the end of the day, that's how you know you did your job. Like when I'm at the like get the least sleep point is what I'm doing the least stuff. I think it is I think the most interesting point she brought up was the American ideal of work like we all know that sweeping more is better. Like all the science is pointed to sleeping more. is better for physical and mental health. But however, the American ideal says,

we need you up early to get this work done as soon as possible. Get your work done before your work done starts. Yeah. So, no, no, it's fine. So when I hear that, I guess this is my thought about it, is that the ideal that I think for the American is to work as hard as you can, right? And work. And if you still need to go to sleep, make sure you get to work done.

Like, that's the way that I think about it, I think is actually typically a result of poor planning. Like you've not budgeted out your time or whatever to do it right. Because if you do that, you're, you know, you straight. But I have never looked down on anybody because they slept. I have looked down upon them because they didn't get their work done. That's all it is about for me. Did you get your work done?

I don't give a damn when you went to sleep if you did your job. Am I am I the only person that sees the world that way? I like the idea. I'm going to start using I earned that sleep. Earned that sleep. Hell yeah. If I didn't earn it, why am I so sleepy? Like, look, that's just me.

If you sleepy, you need to go to sleep. That's just maybe you don't need to sleep for 10 hours, 12 hours, whatever it is. But if you're sleepy, it's clearly because you need to go to sleep. Oh, I have no problems with my sleep routine because I am chasing around a one-year-old. That's what I was about to say. I am amazed in your ability to be the. what I need you. Oh, look, you know, you gotta get this work.

All right. So our next article is also from the Atlantic. It's titled, Why Do Billionaires Go So Crazy? You know, talking about, you know, all of our overlords these days, you know, having this ideal kind of, you know, losing their psychosis. And the main thought point of the thesis of the article is about it all starts and ends with the private plane. I think you'll appreciate a quote here. These experiences sort of change your life. And you think there is no one that I wouldn't bribe, betray, sweep with to be freed from the armpit of mass transit.

Oh, okay. So it's funny that it was why billionaires go so crazy. Because I was talking to a friend of mine who works with a billionaire. and he was talking about something that someone told him around that world, which was the billionaires, they're okay. It's the guys in between 100 million and a billion that are the jerks. I would like to take note of how crazy it is to make a distinction between those people because my life would be exactly the same. if I had either of those. Like if I was anywhere in that continuum,

I just don't see how my life would be that much different. But it was like, yeah, between a hundred mill and a bill. That's where they're a little insecure of themselves because they don't really have a title. There's a lot of space between millionaire and billionaire. The title of millionaire doesn't really mean anything. And then it goes from there. It's people showing up with the smallest private plane.

They feel insecure about it. That is correct. That is correct. So I don't remember, I have not told you this. I don't know if I've talked about this. on air, but whatever. I know there are some people who talk about how I tell stories over and over again. That's because we're friends. Yeah. What's what we're going to talk about? That's how it works, but you don't have a spouse, right, or whatever. Like, this is, this is how it goes. But when I lived in

Miami, I used to live on Collins, right, in the millionaire road drag. And I could look out my window across the intercoaster waterway. And there was this house and it had this beautiful boat in front of it, right? Beautiful boat. And I thought about every day what was like to be the person that owned that house and to get in the window and look out there and what did you see out that window? Not your beautiful boat, but the dude's boat next door and his boat is shitting all over your boat. All over. There's always somebody that got more, right?

Like you think you made it. It's always somebody who got more. Always. And so that gets people into the trouble. My argument for why billionaires are crazy people is very simple. Nobody ever made a billion dollars by being a good person. like there's nothing sane or rational about trying to make that much money. Like that being your goal, like the idea that you get that much money and don't stop,

it's crazy. I'm trying to think of counters. George Lucas. And that's maybe that's it. Maybe. Right. But someone who like sold, like built their art, sold their art. They're the closest ones.

Right. That's the closest that you can get to. to it or the dude that invented Viagra. You know what I'm saying? That's about what you got. But otherwise, no, you're probably going to be a little cuckoo for Cocoa Plus because wanting to have a billion dollars is crazy. And like you said, like getting to $100 million and deciding, I need 10x more of this. Jobs not finished. Jobs not done. All right. All right. This is a bit of a turn. This is our last one. It's an article from The New Yorker about are young people having enough

sex. Throughout many years, people are always concerned about young people having too much sex, you know, in the six, the free love 60s and 70s. But now it seems this article discusses the Zoomer sex recession and some of the articles, you know, some of the reasons for that. One of the main reasons is almost too much exposure to, you know, some of the more lewd things on the internet and the thought being, you know, there's almost too much available and that has limited the actual physical act with younger people.

Yeah. And so that's interesting because like a lot of the for younger people, and I'm going to use that term somewhat broadly, right? Not entirely teenagers, but still, there's still a measure of curiosity that is behind the activity in a lot of ways. And so read this book by Neil Postman, rest in peace, called The Disappearance of Childhood. And the point is that the point that he makes in that book is A, that the notion of childhood is actually very new and that the idea of childhood, children were just little adults for a very long time.

Think about we used to send them to factories and coal mines, right? So kids were actually not kids. They were just little bitty adults and treated like adults for a very long time. And he says that the idea and the advent of the concept of childhood was a result of widespread literacy. And that once you had widespread literacy, you were able to kind of keep some societal secrets. And that the progression of like becoming an adult and what what is it is not reasonable for adults was about what you could, what you were able to comprehend and understand through literacy. So like are you talking about like kids figuring out.

Santa Claus doesn't exist and things like that. That is a very simple example, but yes, right? So that is a secret that you keep. Spoilers. Sorry, sorry to ruin it for everybody. Right, but then eventually you let the kids in on it. And so everything becomes, you become aware of things once you are capable of reading about those things and then understanding those things.

And his argument was that we lost the ability to keep secrets with television. Because television then broadcast all of these adult activities. ideas, and that's how you get to your mom telling you to close your eyes at certain parts and everything else, right? And so if you take that idea that there are no secrets in the age of television, which wasn't entirely true, but wasn't entirely false. But if you take, if you go with that idea, there are no secrets in the era of television because television tells everything, then what in the world does the internet do, right? So if you are then bombarded with sexual imagery, for example, at this very young age, not only is it no longer,

or a secret, when you're a little bit too young to get on board with it, it's a little gross and scary perhaps. And perhaps that then leads to this place where you get now to where you have these young people who are not having sex. Now, of course, then you add to that the computer and the fact that you have this limited amount of interaction. Yeah, in order to have sex, you have to leave your house and meet up with someone in the real life. Yeah, the computer still ain't fixed that. They still have not figured that one out. So yeah, you add all of that together. And I think that's where you get to this place that we end up with because there's a lot of people, you know, there's reason for the society to feel like in one in the sense that,

wow, there's a lot less teen pregnancy, for example, but not for the, not for the goodest reason. You feel me? Like, not like, yeah, yeah, it's, it's, it's not because they're being more responsible because they are doing a better job of educating them. Yeah, they just scarred. That's all. Oldie, buddy, goody, voicemail topic. Crazy thing you ever saw someone do when the owes someone some money. Great submissions as always. Here's our first one. Hey, Beaumani. This is Mike. I've been a journalist for years and you asked, what's the craziest thing you ever saw to see somebody get their money back? This isn't necessarily related to cash, but when I first started, I was working in a small town

where I grew up. So I knew everybody in the small town. and the pastor of the biggest church was arrested for grand larceny. But the police wouldn't give me any information, but of course I started digging, and I saw that the only police report in that period of time came from a woman who I'd know all my life. She lived right down the street from me. We used to call a mother. So I'd go and ask mother if that pastor being charged, her pastor. her pastor was related to her house being robbed.

And she said, yeah, so it turned out mother's son was on an illicit substance. It was the 90s, so you can guess which one. But she came home one day and her house had been robbed. Everything had been stolen. She later found out that her pastor owed a dealer of that illicit substance. Some money he came and just took his money back. stole everything. Well, mother goes to church a few weeks later, and she sees her pastor announce that he is

engaged. The pastor was old, but he had gotten engaged to one of the prettiest women in this little tiny town. So mother went to the pastor and told him, Pastor, I don't mean to harm, but I saw your wife's wedding ring. and that's my wedding ring that was stolen from my house. And if you just give it back, you know, I won't have to report it to the police. And the pastor, according to mother, looked at her and thought about that pretty young woman that he was engaged to,

that he was going to have to ask for that ring back. And he told mother, ma'am, you're just going to have to do what you got to do. And that's how the pastor got arrested. Thanks for listening to my story. Love what you do. Keep doing what you do, remind me. And I'll talk to you later. You just go have to do what you got.

Boy, that love. Woo! Them young things, boy, they'd be making them dudes. Damn. Anytime you have pastor and a grand of arsony in the same sentence. And crack. Even if it wasn't said explicitly. And crack.

All right, here's our next one. What's up, Beaumani, big fan. You asked a question about a time when somebody had to show up and get their money. See, my daddy was a cattleman. No, that's right. He didn't like being called a cowboy. He'd always say he was a cattle man. And one time this farmer owed him, you know, $10,000, $15,000,

which wasn't really uncommon in that business. You know, deals would get made, payments would be deferred and whatnot. But, well, months went by, it was time to collect. My dad said, hey, we're going to ride down the road, and we're going to get our money. I said, what do you mean? He said, we're going to take our truck, we're going to take our trailer, and we're going to pull in there, and we're going to load up enough cows out of this guy's barn until I feel like we've got our money's worth. I said, all right, we pull up to the farm. I'm expecting, you know, maybe a little bit of hostility, maybe some words, maybe some.

punches, maybe even more than that if you catch my dress. But nope, we pulled up. The guy went back, said, hello, nice to see you. My dad told him what he was going to do, and that's exactly what he did. We went, we got us a trailer full of his cows, and we pulled off. And I said, well, I never will forget it. I said, Pops, how did you know it was going to go that way? He said, because right is right and wrong is wrong, and that man knew he was wrong.

So we left with a trailer full of cows And my pop's got his money back I got a whole bunch of stories like that Where things could have went sideways But they didn't Not quite yellow stone worthy But you know Things went a little bit different

Down in the South in the cow gang Anyways keep it up Appreciate y'all What I love about that is the phrase Until we feel like we got our money's worth There was no specific There was no actuarial tables pulled up. Right, right.

There was no, we are coming to get exactly this many cows. No, until I, I'm eating until I'm full. Well, you don't go from the cowboy to the cattle man. No. Without a yellow stonian idea of justice. And I will just say this point again, part of what I loved about that story. and for people who don't know and don't understand about the way this show works, I hear these stories the first time everybody else does.

We do this on purpose, right? So we'll get the natural reaction. I love these stories where there are activities and things that people stereotypically associate with black people. No, sir. No, sir. There's everybody when it's time to get that money. Everybody when it's time to get that money.

All right. Here's our last one. So, my name is one day we're sitting there. We sitting there drinking. He had number So I grabbed him But yeah, that's mine I feel like

I'd like to know more Look He sold his car So he wasn't dropped He went straight To the point On that story Like I wasn't expected

Us to get straight to Anyway, I wish you'd ignite on him And he sold his I do whatever you need Like my man I need a picture of the man who called. I need... I wouldn't know the car he sold.

Yeah. How much money are we talking? Yeah. And what... He said a year's rent. Like, they pay the rent for the year. So... That doesn't sound like a nut...

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