The Ringer NFL Show - 10 Players We're Not Drafting

Episode Date: July 3, 2023

Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck discuss 10 players who are giving them cold feet heading into the season (04:55) and go through emails detailing dumb tattoos (42:50). Check out our 2023 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Jessie Lopez Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, friends, and welcome to a golf podcast unlike any other. This is Fairway Rowland on the Ringer podcast network. I am your starter. Joe House every week on Fairway Rowland. It is myself and our PGA tour correspondent on the ground, Nathan Hubbard, talking all things, professional golf, amateur golf, amateur betting, professional betting, amateur drinking, professional drinking, my birdie buddies.

If you want to hit them straight out there, please check out Fairway Rowland every week. Available on Spotify. Ball Show, my name is Danny Hyphids. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and the soon to be married. Craig Rolbeck, Craig, this is our last episode before your wedding. Yep. Craig's tired.

I am so tired. I'm moving. I'm getting married. There's a lot going on in my life. but the one thing I'm the most focused on is fantasy football here on June 30th when we're recording this. Craig is dialed in.

Yeah. Loving this. Yeah, we're recording this June 30th. We're recording ahead of time because, I mean, it's July 4th weekend, but we're weak, whatever. But also, again, we're all going to L.A. for Craig's wedding, so we're going to see each other. Our running bit for like two months has been everything that we can't resolve,

like in meetings or stuff. We're like, oh, we'll hash it out at the rehearsal dinner. So excited for that. A lot of... That you're not invited to. Yeah, I was going to say, we're not actually going. We're not invited to the rehearsal dinner,

but we're still probably going to have like a little bit of a meeting there. So we're going to do a rehearsal pod, though. You guys are invited to that. I also have decided that, you know, at bridal showers, I feel like for the bride, everyone gives the bride wedding advice

that's very in, like, in right now. So I would like everyone listening. If you are married, I would like everyone to email marriage advice for Craig at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. We're going to say, or fantasy advice. If you have any fantasy advice,

let me know. Craig, you should share your Venmo info. People might send you wedding gifts. I'm not doing that. I hate that. I hate when people are like... Ring her fantasy football, Gmail. Yeah, I hate when it random people are just like,

they're in their Twitter bios, just their Venmo. Come on. I'm tempted, but no. Of course you are. Yeah, it's free money. I like money. I'd like to have more.

I just feel bad. That's where you come in. Yeah. Well, anyway, so again, Craig, Scott, a week till the wedding, but that's also means that Craig, you've got a week if you want to change your mind.

And that's really what we're doing here today. It's the players we got cold feet on. Yep. My fiance loves this episode idea. Turning my wedding into content, as we should be. This is our last and final test to see if Liz listens to this podcast,

which I don't think she does. I told her about this because she saw it somewhere that we were doing it. And then I was like, no, but babe, don't worry. When I get back, we're doing the honeymoon phase.

So this is like, this is a funny joke. then we're doing the honeymoon phase episode, which will come in a couple weeks. Well, the more of it... She laughed. She laughed and laughed. And she laughed.

Her knees are red from slapping. She's like, oh, ha, ha, yeah, you're going to not... But really, though, like a wedding is kind of like a fantasy draft because I've been thinking about this, and it feels like the biggest day of your life. Oh, my God. Right. You've got way, way more time,

way more time and money and energy into this thing than you ever thought you would. You know, you're surrounded. your friends around for it. Everybody's drunk. All these people you care about, a couple people you don't like, but you had to invite anyway. And then before you know it, you're on the clock and you're like, you got to walk down

the aisle. And in that moment, you're either like, oh, my God, I can't believe I get to do this with this person. Or you're like, am I about to like hitch my wagon of Michael Pittman? This is the guy. This analogy is really pushing the limits. And then if you're lucky that night, you consummate your marriage and you roster bait. Oh.

Or you're just too drunk and you have to do it in the morning. The reason you get married is not to rastervate. Well, it depends on my team. Sometimes it does turn out that way for some marriages. If you masturbate the night of your wedding, that's that's as low as it gets. That's a bad side. Anyway, we definitely know if Liz is listening now. Football.

Yeah. All right. I don't know how to transition back, but actually, though, I think that to stretch the metaphor too much, I think it's just, these are just a bunch of players that even when they fall to, like, where we've ranked them or where they're going, like by average draft position, I'm like,

no, this isn't the guy. I can't do this. Just can't pull the trigger on that one. They're not going as DK described. They give you the ills flowing. They give you the ick. Yeah. This is one of my favorite slang terms right now.

Apparently, the zoomers. just the ick is all the rage. I'm just, I'm saying this tongue in cheek kind of, but like, I sent Craig a Instagram thing the other day that was like, my new Ike is my boyfriend

riding a horse. It's this guy who's like, he clearly does not know how to ride a horse. It's the most awkward thing ever. And it's like, this makes me think of, for instance, Mark Andrews,

who is my first guy that I, he just kind of gives me an ick. And I, I'm not even kidding. I truly can't get the image of him volleyball setting a touchdown pass. into the first row of the stands last year. I can't get this image out of my mind.

It went platonic for me at that point. I saw him. I can't do it anymore. I just have no desire to draft him at this point. I understand and recognize he's a good player. He's probably going to get, you know, a lot of catches. He's probably going to be good in fantasy. But there's a few things working against him.

One, he's pretty expensive. Like where you're taking him, there's a lot of really, really good players. And you have to expect him to be like one of the foundational players on your team. I'm not 100% sure I trust him to do that, especially with so many question marks going since next year. We got a new offensive coordinator. We've got for the Ravens.

We have a bunch of new pass catchers. You got Rashad Bayman coming back. Odell Beckham is there. Isaiah likely might end up getting more playing time. I don't know how the rotation is going to work out there. I don't really know what this offense is going to look like. So to me, there's just a ton of question marks with Mark Andrews, but not to be rambling, but going back to the just him volleyball setting a pass out of bounds.

his catching skills is my ick. I just can't get past it. I think that's really important for the ick because the thing about the ick is there's no logic to it. It's just something that's stuck in your brain. And it's like men think what turns off women is one thing. And then what actually turns off women, like what gives like the ick is like,

you know, I saw someone say when he taste test ice cream at an ice cream shop but then doesn't know where to put the spoon. The middle list shit. I don't know why that stuck with me. But it does any relationship work. work. That's my question. Like I saw my boyfriend putting on water shoes at a water park.

That one you could have guessed, I feel like. Yeah. Mark Andrews. I think you're saying, though, because, I mean, at the end of the day, like, Mark Andrews has been incredible in part because they've been running this offense for like five years now, and it's a different offense, and we're just kind of assuming it'll all be the same, even though they've added O'Dell Beckham and another first-run receiver. Yeah, Mark Andrews is weird because he's been the number two.

tied end in fantasy for like, God, four or five years now. He's like the Cal Notton to Travis Kelsey's Ricky Body. He's just like, can I win? He won. He won it a couple years ago. I think he was number one a couple years ago. I think it was the pandemic year. I think he was. Yeah, but that year, that year. No one really acknowledges that year. But yeah, I don't know. Mark Andrews is like, it's like you spend a lot of money on Travis Kelsey or you save your money and get everybody else. And then Mark Ganger's just right in the middle where it's like, you're going to have to spend like $30 to $38 on Mark Andrews. And I'm totally with you, for some reason, he's never called to me.

I've never been like, I'm getting Mark Andrews this year. What's this defining trait? He's got no edge. So he's ranked right now. We got him at 29th overall in half PPR. The fantasy pros, their consensus rankings is 25. So we're a little bit below on him. But I don't know.

I just, to me, it's, I understand that he's probably going to get a lot of volume. I just still can't pull the trigger. Like you said, Greg, it's just, he's never called to me. I never just want, you know, I just can't. I think if like, if I'm going to spend money on a titan, I'm going to get fucking Travis Kelsey. You know what I mean? I'm not going to go halfway and stop.

I'm just going to full throttle it and go get Travis Kelsey. Right. I'm going to consummate and get Travis Kelsey. Anyone else you can't consummate with Greg? Any other icks? So my ick is watching Baker Mayfield play football. And so I know everything around Rashad White is kind of exciting, I suppose. I know DK you're into him.

But there's just something about him. I still have cold feet with running backs on shit teams. Pretty much just players on. bad teams I just don't love. And Baker Mayfield and Kyle Strassk commanding the Buccaneers offense. I mean, look, man, the bucks weren't even good with Tom Brady last year.

And now we're going to be watching them with Baker Mayfield. And I know that Rashad White's like got a lot upside. He can catch passes. Fournettes gone. All that stuff. But the amount of three and outs this team is about to see is a little too rich for my blood.

And I can't really talk myself into him right now. It could very well change. Maybe he's a James Connor type that's like a boring guy who's going to quietly put up 15 a game. But like investing my money in Baker Mayfield's running back, I just, I don't know if I can do that right now. Could you argue that it's a great investment because they're like, oh my God, we can't put the ball in Baker's hands. Jesus, give it to anyone else, please. Yeah, maybe. That's fair.

I just think there's going to be a lot of like, yeah. I think so you said I'm kind of into him. my gut reaction to that was like, I don't know about that. I mean, I am a little bit higher on him than you guys are. But I'm kind of in the same boat as you, Craig. I'm having some second thoughts about this.

I'm literally getting cold feet. I object, Sean White. Did he get three weeks ago in the running backs episode was like, I like Rashad White? And I was like, oh, man, I looked at this more. I feel like I was more asking questions in that episode. I was like, how do we feel about Rashad White? Yeah, I'm just asking questions.

I don't love this guy. You saw him put on water shoes in a water park. I saw him ride a horse. It's just like over for me. The bucks, I believe the bucks have the, if you just look at over under point totals for each game, obviously Vegas is like, they actually have them out for every week the season. The bucks are, by betting markets implied to have the second fewest points in the league this season. Second to the Cardinals? Yeah.

And the Cardinals are kind of actively trying to lose this year. And the Bucs are like only projected outscore the Cardinals. So you're kind of like every year in fantasy, you're kind of like, all right, who's going to emerge from this backfield? Who do we want fantasy in this backfield? And every year there's three teams where it's like, actually you don't want anyone. Nobody. And I'm kind of wondering if the bucks are going to be that team or one of them. It sucks because, you know, Chris Godwin, Mike Evans, Ashad White, like these were pretty mainstake guys.

Or not Rashad White, but like Fournet last year, for instance. You know, it's just this team is now becoming like this fantasy no-fly zone or whatever. It's just sad. It sucks. Tom Brady, come back, please. Well, there's also just, in real life, there's a cultural aspect of, the bucks could just implode.

This is a team that won a Super Bowl because of Brady showed up, came back, tried to win another one, and then Brady, like, stayed too long. And now it's like this weird post-Bradie thing where it's like, I mean, Mike Evans, Godwin, like when you take a bunch of guys

that, like, a weird amount of these Super Bowl guys are still on this team. Like the Rams, they're all gone. They brought back some guys, too. The defense, it's weird how many. Like, the Rams have basically Aaron Donald from that defense or like two people from their Super Bowl team. And like that's it.

Dude, the Rams have like 30 something rookies on their team right now. They have 40 of their 90 men roster are rookies for the Rams. And the bucks have like half the Super Bowl starters left. And it's like when the team sucks, all those guys are going to freaking mutiny. Stars and Scrubs, baby. Yeah, it is weird. To me, that says the Buccaneers think they're going to be good, which sometimes that works out. Sometimes this goes spectacularly terrible.

What are they doing at quarterback? What was their plan? I don't understand. Their plan was to convince Tom Brady football addict to continue being addicted to football and choose football over his family. That was it.

It's still the plan, I think. Do you think it's going to work? They couldn't have gotten Gardner Mint Shoe as a backup or anything? No? Did you see Baker Mayfield win that one game last year? Come on.

Baker? Yeah. CalTrass. We don't talk with it enough 48 hours. Got off a plane. and the Raiders are like, what if we just play the only coverage that he knows that they practice this week? That's like one of the one individual plays I specifically remember from last year. You know what I mean?

Like, as the year goes on, like, everything becomes a blur. Like, I still very much remember that play for some reason. It was just so wild. All right. Other Ix here. You know who just, just, ugh. Like, every time I'm like looking at this guy, I'm like, I, it's Michael Pittman, receiver for the coach. This was Craig's guy last year.

Yeah. I feel like everyone's, he's like a. Darling. Everyone's into him. And I feel like it's, do you remember that scene in Ocean's 11 when George Clooney is trying to get Julia Roberts back? And she's like with Terry Benedict now. Yeah.

And he's like, does he make you laugh? And she's like, he doesn't make me cry. And I'm like, I feel like that's like. What an analogy. Yeah. I don't know. Michael Pittman's like Terry Benedict. It's like, I don't think he'll make you cry.

But like, is he really going to make you laugh with Anthony Richardson, a rookie quarterback under 55% completion at Florida is now going to come in the NFL and be a rookie quarterback. You're like, Michael Pittman, where's he going to take you? This guy's going to make you happy? So you're saying that you don't want to settle. No, I want

someone like Danny Ocean. I want someone who's like a little dangerous. I want a criminal, yeah. I want somebody who's going to break the rules. Sweat me off my thief. The liar and a thief. He doesn't do that anymore. What, steal? No, lie. I don't do that. But what a good, yeah, great movie.

Wasn't Andy Garcia like a hotel owner? Like, he's like squeaky clean, you know? He owned the casino. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like, he has no idea. But really, though, it's like Danny Ocean, it's like he's thrilling, he's dangerous, and it's like, you know, but it makes you let all the guys behind Michael Pittman,

get you going, get the blood flowing. It's like Deonti Johnson. It's like, all right, I'm a little mad at him, but like he's going to score more touchdowns this year and get like 150 targets. George Pickens. Is he a top 10 receiver in the NFL? Is this going to be like the year he's elite? I don't know.

Maybe. Tyler Lockett literally been better than where he's been drafted for five years in a row. Brandon and I was incredible. Jordan Addison, who's like rookie, but now just behind Justin Jefferson for the Vikings. Like John Dotson, who was like outrageous, basically

at every game he played. I mean, all the guys behind him like, oh my God, yeah, like those guys could make me laugh. I'm like, I don't want to sell it from Michael Pittman. All those guys that you mentioned, I think, have high ceilings. Pittman's ceiling seems pretty cap in the offense that we're expecting them to run, to borrow a line from Roy Kent,

you want to make, you want to have him make you feel like you've been struck by fucking lightning. Sorry, I've been butchered it a little bit. You know that line? You don't want to sell for some guy that's just like, whatever. You want to get hit by light,

and you want to feel that electricity. So, yeah. Rebecca goes on that day with the guy, and he's like, he fucking sucked. What, did Pippen have, like, 99 catches last year? And what did he have, like, 600 yards? It was like the weirdest thing that ever. The Colts offense was so,

this actually sounds fake now that it's said in retrospect. But the Colts was so bad that, I mean, the owner literally just fired the coach and then hired a guy off of first take on ESPN to then coach the team, like literally from television. And so, like, I don't know how to compare that, but they're going to throw 100 fewer passes because Anthony Richardson is going to not check the ball down.

He's going to be scrambling. He's going to be running more. And so even if he throws the ball more downfield, it's like we're depending on rookie Anthony Richardson, who did not even have 400 passes in college, to come in and be like an efficient downfield thrower. It's like, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, you can like Anthony Richardson like I do,

and you can still be a pretty skeptical that this is going to be a high volume passing offense. It's almost surely not going to be. Yeah, it's like, maybe Michael Pittman doesn't give me the ick. It's just he doesn't make me feel anything, you know. Got to get hit by lightning. All right, D.K., any, any more, any more icks? Any more guys just not doing it for you?

Yes. So here's another one I wanted to bring up, and this has been kind of an, ongoing thing for me for a couple years, but I'm still sticking with him here and there for some reason. George Kittle for the 49ers. He's like the guy that sucked me back in last year because he scored 11 touchdowns out of nowhere and like all of a sudden he became Brock Purdy's favorite player in the red zone and he had eight of 11 touchdowns like in the final like four or five games. He just went absolutely nuclear with Brock Purdy under center. The only problem, there's many

problems actually. His target share went down. His total targets went down. His receptions went down. His yardage went down. And he has just a 17% target share, which is like really far below any of the other elite tight ends of the position. And it's obvious why. He's battling for reps with Christian McCaffrey, Dio Samuel, Brandon Ayyuk. This is a run-heavy slash balance offense. Just all the pieces are there.

Kittle is a great player. There's no one doubting that. But in fantasy, if he doesn't get the touchdowns, which we've seen over his career, touchdowns are really finicky. It's just sort of like a high variance play in football. If he doesn't get those touchdowns,

he's going to be massively disappointing. So I don't know. I'm just a little bit. bit scared of drafting George Kittle anywhere at this point. I feel weird about every single 49er. They all are the same type of player to me. They're all like incredibly talented, freak athlete, super high upside physically, but the offense doesn't really allow them to shine because there's kind of so many pieces involved. None of them get that many touches. Anyone could explode at any game, but you never know who it's going to be. They're a very frustrating team. No, it's so true, though.

The reason the 49ers are a real, like a good, real life team and the reason that Kyle Shannon's a good, real-life play caller is that Kyle Shanahan studied defensive coaching. And Kyle Shannon walks in every week and looks at the opposing defensive coordinator's system and has a better understanding of how the defense's rules work and how their coverages work. And he, you know, every coach can kind of tell you that the next day. Kyle Shanahan's one of the coaches can actually in the moment in the 10 seconds he has to call a play, understand an adjustment the defense made and then where the weakness is, like in real time.

So like you don't know who's going to work on a week. week-to-week thing for the 49ers, because the reason Kyle Shannon's good is he's figuring out in real time who's going to be open based on what the defense is doing. So it's just like they'll always be tough on the week-to-week. They'll always be boom-bust players, except for McCaffrey, who will probably just always get the ball

unless he's hurt. And that's a different conversation. No, because Elijah Mitchell is going to be heavily involved, too. So we're all screwed. Shouts to Kevin Clark in Slow Newsday, by the way, Kittle was on his show a week or two ago and was talking about how the 49ers, even do this thing. This is not fantasy related necessarily,

but I just thought it was pretty fascinating. I know a lot of teams do this, but they literally will run just dummy plays, where they just do something really basic and see how the defense is reacting to that, and then they build these little, you know, replies off of that, like, plays that, like, if the defensive back, like, took

one step this way or whatever, they're, like, build in, like, counters to everything that they do and everything they see. It's so fascinating. And this is why, like, play calling is so hard. Not everybody can do it. It's not like, Because, you know, like, teams will sign a guy that came up in a certain system and expect them to, like, have the genius to run this system. And it's why, like, a lot of guys fail where you got, like, Sean McBay, who's a genius

or whoever, Kyle Shannon, who's a genius. It's being able to do that on the fly in the game as, like, you're reacting to the way defenses are playing. I think it's so fascinating. So anyway, that's an aside. But shouts to Kittle for explaining that on slow newsday. There's play caller. There's guys like Shannon can do to the moment.

There's coaches that can explain it after the game. coaches that can do it the next day. And then there's Matt Patricia and Joe Judge who installed in a zone option last year that they had actually never run in their life before. Asking the players, how do we do this? Literally, players being like, this won't work, and they're like, we'll figure it out.

No time like the present. All right, Craig, who's giving you the it? Cold feet. I'm getting cold feet on Najee Harris. I'm not going to lie. I know I hyped him up maybe a week or two ago. but I was just thinking about him more and reading about him and thinking about the Steelers

and Jalen Warren, the backup running back. You sound like you're on his, like, you're on his socials. You're like, I've been reminiscing about him, I've been looking at his pictures on Facebook. So I put together a little set of questions here, perhaps a poem called, is he good or? And I'm going to read it too about Najee Harris.

Is he good or is he just? cool. Is he good or did he just get drafted in the first round? Is he good or did he just go to Alabama? Is he good or does he just have a cool name? Is he good or does he just have no competition in the first two years of his career? Is the O-line actually better? Is Kenny Pickett actually the answer? Is Matt Canada actually a good offensive coordinator? Is Noggi Harris just David Montgomery? That's my poem. all these questions are rhetorical. You don't actually have to answer.

Like, Jalen Warren might just be just as good. You know? Or better. And he was undrafted, so nobody cares. But the Steelers might. And we don't because we're fantasy drafters. And we are anchored to cool Najee Harris from Oakland. So cool, awesome name, Alabama.

He's big. He's like stiff arms people. When in reality, he's never averaged more than 3.9 yards of carry in the NFL. Does it matter to you that he was injured last year? look, it does because that was my whole pitch two weeks ago. I was like, he was hurt, you have to throw it out. But the numbers actually aren't that different from year one. The more I looked into it.

I mean, I don't think he's actually that good. I would be drafting him more for his likely heavy workload than I would be because I think Najee Harris is like an elite running back talent. I think we kind of have to let that idea fade away because he's not a top five or probably even 10 running back talent-wise, in my opinion. You know in the movie that departed when Matt Damon's like talking to his girlfriend and he's like, you know, I'm Irish, I'll stay in this forever.

Like you got to tell me, this is the Steelers with like everything. They're coaches. They're running backs in particular. Like, you know, they're just so willing to take the ups and downs. They're Irish. Dick Leboe is the defensive coordinator in 87 years old. The Steelers have literally had three head coaches since Rich. Richard Nixon was president.

Look, if we're not going to make it, it's got to be you that gets out. Because I'm not capable. I'm fucking Irish. I'll deal with something being wrong for the rest of my life. Yeah. So I kind of feel like that's how they are with their running backs, especially the one that they took in the first round. It almost doesn't matter how bad it gets.

You know what I mean? Like if we're doing, you know, relationship themes for this. I think like, they're just an abusive marriage that won't break up, Naji Harrison and the Steelers? I don't know. I'm in this forever. Yeah. I'm just like, is he good or does he just have a lot of cool little things going on around him? Okay.

I'm glad you asked this, Craig. I have, I think that Najee's in the middle. I think that Najee is not an explosive player, but it is a player that will just get a lot. And that's always kind of been the thing. But he had a foot injury last year, so couldn't get a lot. And now it's kind of going to this year. Again, to Tony Pollard, Tony Pollard broke his legs as he's faster now. Part of me is like if Najee Harris, you know, maybe broke,

foot, like, that'll help him. He'll be faster. That's the word. However. Okay. I'm just saying, if Tony Pollard's like, I broke my leg and I'm faster now, unless we're saying Tony Pollard's a liar, I think he's on to something.

That's all. So you think broken foots are now positives? I'm saying we should, maybe we should be open to it. This is the classic fantasy analyst trap. This is like, broken feet are good. I don't know.

I'm just saying, unless, I broke my foot in college and I feel great now. So I like Tony Pollard. Are you doubting Tony Pollard saying I feel faster now? Are you doubting his lived experience? That's his truth. I trust Tony Pollard. Carry on.

Anyway, I have the same questions. Everything you just ask about Naji Harris, but a different player. Okay. I figured out everything about this person. I figured it out. Okay. I have issues with Deancho Swift.

They're running back. Who's now on the Eagles. And I figured it out. I am J. And this is the end. and D'Andre Swift is John O'Barrichel. I am Jay Barichel and DeAndreauceau's

and I'm like, I hate this guy and everyone's like, dude, give him a chance. He's like the nicest guy in the world. How could you hate Deandre Swift? And I'm like, the sickest references. Yeah, he's in, dude, his references are sad. I'm like, he's an injury prone running back

who's now going to be a receiving back in a team that doesn't check down with like his coaches think he's undisciplined between the tackles and everyone's like, dude, give him a chance. I'm like, he just has a cool name. Like, what, if DeAndre Swift was named James Robinson, would people have given a shit that he was traded to the Eagles?

He's not that compelling. His coaches in Detroit, like, hated him so much they just traded him. Like, that's a red flag to me. But I feel like Jay, and everyone's like, dude, come on. Jonah Hill, nicest guy in the world. And I'm like, dude, you know what? Maybe I'm the problem, though. Maybe I'm like the Jay of fantasy football.

I just hate L.A. And I'm like, I'm the asshole. I should just leave. I don't know. do you like the movie forest gum god no it's a horrific piece of shit eagle's running back's just like a box of chocolates so you don't find the power of de jonders swift does not compel you no i don't find him very compelling

you're a hundred percent right this on on the rewatchables man this makes me want to watch this movie again it's on netflix yeah you're right about everything hyfe it's his name it's the fact that he's like cool explosive play guy since he came out of Georgia, I think everybody has been like wanting this guy to be a thing that he's never been. It's because he dropped that touchdown pass

like in his first game. Yeah. You guys remember this? 2019 or 2020 or whatever year it was. What are your best takes ever? Hit him right the chest. Hit him right the chest. Yeah.

On him dropping. Like that changed the whole world. Like the sliding mirrors. Sliding doors, sliding doors. Sliding doors. Which I'm going to tell you, I've never understood that phrase. Bill uses it a thousand times.

I don't understand what sliding doors means. It's a movie reference. It's a movie reference. isn't it? I think there's a specific movie reference. Oh, I remember, I want to say Bill explained it recently on a pod or some time can last like year. The sliding doors is like a reference to some movie. We should figure that out. Is it like a subway closes, sliding door? It's still the same door if you open the door

again. That's what I never understood. I think it's like go to it. Sliding past one another in opposite directions. But that's what I don't get. What context is that? The term of sliding doors moment became a term popularized in the late 20th century, meaning seemingly inconsequential moments that nonetheless alter the trajectory of future events. What is the sliding door?

I thought it was a reference to a movie. Is it bad that I've worked for Bill Simmons for six years and I still don't know what that phrase literally means. I don't know what I'm supposed to picture. I mean, I work for Bill Simmons. I work for Bill Simmons and I don't know

anything about the NBA, so what's worse? That's true. Well, you were robbed of a basketball team. All I know is, I know, I have good reason to not watch the NBA because my team was stolen and therefore I stopped carrying. But yeah, yeah, Swift. Honestly, like, the only thing that's interesting to me about Swift is he went to a team that has, like, an insanely good run game.

I get that. I think, honestly, what I would like to be true is I think that Rashad Penny is such in a better position to play for this team. Rashad Penny, Miles Sanders, I swear to God, left 400 yards on the field last year, like not going up field. Rashad Petty, in theory, is like such a better play. player for this team. And I want that to be true.

The problem is Rashop Penny had a terrible injury last year. He broke his leg and had a high-uncle sprain, and it's like, he might even start the year in injured reserve. So there's a world with DeAndrude Sift is just the lead running back and is great and gets all these touches for the Eagles and is better than Miles Sanders. And I'm an idiot. And actually, DeAndre Siff should be going 30 spots higher. I'm just kind of like, I don't know.

He can. DeAndreux is going to be this year's collided towards Hilar. He's going to have like 140 yards in week one. and two touchdowns. And our number one advice is going to be sell while you can. Sell, sell, sell. I guarantee you that's going to happen. Rashad Penny is going to be out for a few weeks.

John Dress is going to go nuts. And we're going to say sell him before Penny comes back and before Swift tweaks his ankle like he does every year. By the way, I looked it up. Craig, sliding doors moment is referencing the 1998 Gwyneth Paltrow film Sliding Doors in which a woman lives two alternate lives after missing a train. So yeah, the doors are sliding shut.

But this is DeAndre Swift. He dropped a touchdown pass that would have won a game. I believe it was his first or second game. It was like really early in his career. And then basically his coaches got the ick from him at that point. And that was it. It went platonic and they traded him several seasons later instead of turning into a superstar. Anyone else you guys get the ick from DK?

Anyone else you get cold feet? Yeah, I got one. I don't know how strongly I feel about this. but I am dubious about my love for Travis E.TN. I'm getting cold feet about Travis ETA for the Jags. I'm conflicted because I do think he's a good runner. He's very explosive. He creates explosive plays.

He breaks a lot of tackles, at least in the sense that he makes guys miss. I don't think he's like a big contact tackle breaker type guy, but he's so fast and explosive, he makes guys miss. But if there's an ick for me, it's the way he catches the football. This is exactly the same with like Mark Andrews.

He like claps at it. He tries to clap at the football. Gator jump. No one taught about a catch. Maybe he improves on that this year. But I'm just a little worried about the way that they're going to utilize him this year because last year was like he was just a huge amount of volume. But they resigned to Michael Hasty ostensibly because they like him in the passing game.

They drafted Tank Bigsby in the third round. You know, they have Snoop Connor from last year. He's still around. I'm starting to realize as I was putting together this Travis E.TN's, like, information that this is the way other people see Kenneth Walker. Am I just blind about Kenneth Walker? Because they have like the exact same profile,

like explosive, really talented, highly drafted guys that got volume, but maybe suck as pass catchers and might be getting replaced by their own coaches. We need a word for a guy that sounds like, oh, he could catch 80 balls. And you're like, no. I can fix him. I can fix him.

DK, you're crushing him with the Ix. You're really like, you're crushing, you're so right that it's like you saw a couple plays. I can't get over it? Wait, I found a list of women just talking about things men did that give them X because you're, can I read you some of these? Because you're crushing it. When a guy gets a haircut and he's wearing that little cape.

That's really good. When you knock on the bathroom and he's, He's like, someone's in here. When he's mad, like angry, but he's wearing flip-flops. It's all like emasculating things. Craig the horse, riding the horse. And you're like, can you imagine how to explain to Travis C-TN? Like, hey, yeah, you know, you just catch the ball.

It's kind of like vertical. It's like, you know, you're supposed to put the hands together. Like, you can never say that to them. But it's true. Keep going. Read some more. These are funny. When he asks his mom to put sunscreen on his back.

Yeah, that one's really specific. It's like not, it's not necessarily a masculine. It's like infantiles. Yeah, infantilizing a little bit. Yeah. Thank you, Craig. Got me. When it's windy and he can't handle all the napkins flying away.

Wow. Attraction is a weird science, guys. When the roller coaster guy has the tightness seatbelt. So women. just so want to be with little boys. Yeah, it's like codependence is unattractive. I want him to know how to do this detail. Email us at Ringer Fantasy Football at gmail.com

if you've got more Ix. Shout out Jared Freed, who's the man. There's a lot of stuff with X. Well, speaking of X, a fantasy ick, which maybe this is messed up to say, but, like, I mean, guys who just are injured and are coming off like these, like, I guess it's kind of messed up.

Ew. Yeah. You know, you don't want your man to get in there. The little red cross next to a player that gives you an ick. I'm like, ugh. It does. Just don't want that shit. Yeah. When your man twists his ankle, ugh.

Yeah, it's like, broken bones? Yeah, come on. You like trips. I'm like, not even like a drop in the curb, but the curb got like a little, like, part of it was a little higher than the other. Because it's like a tree root underneath. And you're like, you tripped over that. No, it's true. Like, every time I look at Giovante Williams and there's just this red cross.

And I'm just like, I mean, it's tough. He's such a fun player in his selfie, but it's like these multi-ligament knee injuries. Like, it's, Giovante with ACL, his tour, Javanti tour his LCL,

ACL, and I don't know what this is, but a posterior lateral corner. I don't even know what that is. Damn, my dude's selected D all of the above on his knee right there. That's crazy.

But like, I just, there's no upside because it's like the entire point of upside of the running backs is they have to get the ball a lot, but it's kind of, it's absolutely reckless to give a guy coming off this injury

with a lot. lot of touches. Like, they're literally getting load managed. So there's no upside because they're not going to get a ton of work. But then there's all this downside because these guys are always starting the year late. Even when they come back, it's like these guys, the first year back from the injury, they're not trusting their bodies. They need time to trust their knee.

Like, you know, guys talk about this over and over again. That happened to Chris Godwin. Happened to say, Juan, Markley. And then there's also huge risk when they come back for like compensatory injuries elsewhere. Other leg or like quads, hamstring, soft tissue injuries. Freaking J.K. Dobbins came back and immediately got hurt again. That happened to Alvin Cook when he toured ACL next year. out all his hamstring issues.

Like, there's just like all these things that can go wrong. It's like you want a player that has a bunch of different paths to being successful. And all these injured guys, like, it sounds cruel to say, but it's like there's just all different ways that it can go poorly. I feel the same way about JK Dobbins, to be honest. I mean, I know this is the year after, the year after he got hurt. But I just don't really know what there is to get me going with JK. I know he averages like six yards of carry and that's cool.

But why is this guy 20? spots ahead of Isaiah Pacheco in our rankings. What is the difference between him and Isaiah Pacheco? Go ahead. The draft capital. Yeah. Arguably does not matter at all. JK Dobbins has played 23 games at three years.

He averaged one target per game last year. Gus Edwards is still there. He's holding out. And his knees always messed up. He had one of the most gruesome ACL injuries two years ago. And I'm just like, I don't know. We don't even know what this offense is. There's a bunch of weapons now alongside him on the receiving core.

and I'm like this guy is always hurt he doesn't get his passes well can I just take Isaiah Pacheco two rounds later and call it a day Dobbins is holding out right now I kind of heard whispers of this but read the room hey spoiler alerts

they're not going to give you a fucking extension right it's just a tough time for running back They are we are getting reports Out of Ravens camp that they're incorporating the running backs into the past again Which I'm sure will definitely see it Well they have to because they literally were

incorporated before. So any usage of them in any modern sense would be more. Yeah, you can be like, J.K. Dobbins is going to double his targets this year and you're like, oh, so two a game. Actually, zero is zero, right? That's true. Yeah. But yeah, no, I mean, we got, we've got, we have

Giovante at, and we're going to, we're going to still update these a lot of times over the course of July and August, but Giovante right now we have 78th, swift is 76th, and I'm honestly, I still give you the dick there. And then we have Dobbins all the way up. Top 40. Dobbins is at 40. I'm like,

Isaiah but Jake was the same player. That's too high. You're right. He gives me the ick. I'm just like, me. There's some players that you kind of divvy up like, all right,

like here is mathematically where it says that they should go. I'm like, yeah, but like, he'll never be on my team, J.K. Dobbins. I don't know why but his mom.

I just, he's got that little cape on for the haircut. And I'm like, well. I got the ick when he started talking about how doctors don't know anything about his knee. that's yeah that's actually I watch the thing on YouTube

so like don't worry about it so that's a lot of time in the comment sections on this website um hyphids you mentioned devante jimante Williams I'm going to bring up another

Bronco which I think also in the jabonte Williams discussion it's like new coach new system like who are the coaches actually going to like and rely on and trust and use like there's so many question marks, and I think the same thing can be applied to Cortland Sutton. It just feels to me like we're holding on to the good times with Sutton, even though we

haven't had any good times in years. You know what I mean? Rose-colored lenses. This is the departed thing. Like, I'll stay in this thing forever. So, first some context on kind of like what Sutton can bring you. The wide receiver 24, so last year's wide receiver two group, the first, you know, the first 24 wide receivers. The last guy in that group

was Brandon I, you can half PBR, he scored 11.1 points per game. Coralynne Sutton has scored 11.1 points or more in six out of his last 33 games. That he's played or that the team has played? That he's played. Wait, I didn't you to say that

again. He's scored more than 11 points in six out of 33 games the last 33 games. That's a disaster. It is a disaster. And it's like, I think he's good, which, again, we don't know for sure if that's even the case, but it doesn't matter because Tim Patrick is there. We think he is good.

Jerry Judy is there. They just drafted Marvin Mims. Like Greg Dulcich is getting some hype. Freaking KJ. Hamler is still there crying out loud. Do you have a single friend where you're like, they're doing all right? What? And your friend's like, I'm worried about them. And you're like, why? He's like, he's doing all right. He hasn't hooked up the girl in five years.

Six out of his last 33 months. Yeah. I don't know. To me, it's just like, we're definitely, I don't know, we're writing on like how good he was as a rookie. And since then, he's been extremely unreliable. And he might not even, like, get that many looks this year. It seems like they were trying to trade him over the offseason. Like, he could just end up down the pecking. Or kind of like a Corey Davis situation where it's just like, yeah, sort of just forget

he's on the team. I think I just have the ick for the entire Broncos team. I think being on the Broncos gives me the ick. It's just like the whole. Russell Wilson. Yeah, the second Russell Wilson took off that Seahawks helmet, I was like, I don't know. Do you guys see him doing the slides?

Oh no, it's the subway. It's the Broncos country, let's ride. Gives me the ick. Yeah. But now just seeing the Broncos logo gives me the ick. You know,

it's like if your friend is dating somebody and you like, you like them, you think they're fine, but then they break up and then you like run into them again and you're like, I don't think I liked this person.

I think they were just dating my friend. That's how I feel about Russell Wilson on the Broncos now. I don't know. We don't talk about enough. We don't talk enough about how Sierra went from future to Russell Wilson.

and like how those people are like kind of the opposite ends of the spectrum. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah, do you want to? You got your future in Russell Wilson talking? What would they talk about? Sierra, Sierra, Sierra, not Sierra, right? Sierra, I think, you know, she had her fun in her heyday.

She wanted to settle down with a family man, you know, have some care. Terry Benedict. He doesn't make me cry. Doesn't make me cry. It doesn't make me cry. They wanted a simple life. White Pickett's Fence, 23 bathrooms, you know, the American dream.

Oh my God. Central to all this, by the way, with Giovante, Angorton, Sutton, and basically everybody on the Broncos is like, Russ might actually be cooked. Like, he might be done. He might just be terrible now. I went out and I went to Broncos training camp last year, and I

interviewed Russell Wilson, I got sucked into the hype, and I really want to go back next year, or this year, and just talk to him again. And not talk at all about football and just talk the entire time about the house. Just, like, whiffing, not being able to ask him about the house. He bought the most expensive house

in the state, I think. It's like... That's why I'm wondering if I think the bedroom thing, it has to be for like tax purposes or so. There has to be something where it's like... It's like legally an office or something so they can, like, write it off. This one doesn't have a five kids.

He made $20 million for a fucking house that doesn't have a guest room. That means he's got no friends. he has a sister anyway that's all for icks I kind of feel bad about this episode a little bit but it's just how I feel

that's the thing it's not about rational it's just it's weird it's about the human animal man yeah we're not we're not they're not giving off any pheromones these guys right now exactly oh wow

all right speaking of the human animal wow we got some insights we asked on our last show we asked people email in things about dumb tattoos, like dumb tattoo stories or dumb tattoos. Reason you get a tattoo.

Holy shit. We have some classics. Unbelievable. I want to start by saying all of these are verified. It is incredible. Everyone sent in photos with these things, including one of them sent in a sentence. Like, got it on my butt.

Parentheses, don't worry. Not that much ass in this photo. It's at the top of the cheek. I appreciate that disclaimer. So we should make like an Instagram, and just have people send us pictures of their hilarious dumb tattoos

and that thing would blow up. I was going to say, I feel like I can't just like, hey, we're going to talk about this. And then I just post all these photos with people's ass tattoos. When we were having this discussion, by the way, I immediately thought of my buddy Josh,

who has a tattoo that we lovingly called Heart Man. But I couldn't remember the background story of it quite clearly. And so I didn't mention it, but then he texted me like the other, like right after the pod came out and it like gave me the background. So basically this is the first one I want to bring up.

Hartman. He and my other buddy used to like do this game where like you draw a dick and balls and then you try and turn the dick and balls into something like better. So like you hand the paper back and forth to each other and it like the picture becomes something more. Men are the best. Yeah, exactly.

That is like the ultimate example of something women would never do 10,000 years. In a million years they would never do that. That is very true to Hill. Like, dude, she found my lunchbox, Dick Treasure Trove. It's very similar to that impact. Yeah.

But anyways, one of these drawings turned into what now looks like a heart with two weird-looking legs. And we call this heart man. And Josh, my buddy, even does like a whole heart man voice, but he's like, ha-ha. I don't know exactly what he does, but along those lines. Anyway, they had this up on the refrigerator for like four years. and our other buddy was like getting into tattooing and so like he was looking for people to practice on essentially Josh was like fuck it let's do art man

so he has a tattoo of heart man on his quad on his thigh which was originally dick and balls which someone turned into a heart dance yeah and then they like turned it upside down and then it turned into heart man that's two little arms it's very cute so in this vein so to speak

oh I'm just can I just read all these Come on. I'm going to spare you trying to describe all these tattoos, and I'm just going to, like, run through all these stories, and you guys stop whatever you want, because they're incredible. Go. From Nate.

Nate. I was renting a house and living with a random person in 2018 in Seattle, and the city of Seattle, well, sorry. I text. I don't know. Nate might have been drunk. Whatever. Renting a house and living with a random person in 2018 in Seattle.

Accidentally, the house burned down. and my roommates at the time and I got matching tattoos of flames with the address of the house. I think, hyphids, where you were confused is, this is my buddy, Nate. The city of Seattle burnt down his house. This is your friend? Yeah, yeah.

What do you mean the city of Seattle? The city burnt down his house. Hold on. Let me pull up the story. I asked for a follow-up on this, and he says basically, so the city of Seattle turned off the power to do work on the power lines in the area.

When they turned it on, they didn't check to see which houses took the old versus the new style electrical current and his house was the only one on the block that had the old side I don't exactly

did he sue the city like what happened there well it wasn't yeah they just got tattoos and never followed up so him and this random roommate of his at the time both got like these like

fire tattoos like on their sides it's not even that like hidden like hers is just on her arm I love this it's so good can you follow up and see what happened there all right Other ones.

I got email from Titus. Titus. Me and six friends all tried tattooing a birthday cake and our initials on my shin for my birthday. Ow. Four of us do not tattoo. The other two are tattoo artists, but we had them use their opposite hands. Okay. So the goal here was just pure chaos.

That was the goal. So he has six rough drafts of birthday cakes in his. initials just on his shin? Yeah. I love people who just treat their body like an open canvas. That is awesome. I know. Got email from Sean. In college, I thought it would be a good idea to about my friend that Connor

McGregor would beat Floyd Mayweather in the infamous boxing match. Because I was an idiot. I now have a sheep filled in with the Irish flag on my ass. That's kind of cool. Oh, man. That was a bad fight. I remember that. That fight? Yeah. That was stunk. every Floyd Weather fight is the same,

which is they go to him in the, every Floyd Mayweather site, they go to him in the, like the area before the fight. And every other boxer's like, I'm going to win, I'm going to win, and Floyd Mayweather,

she's just getting live updates. I'm having pay-per-view's been sold. He's like, we did it, man, we did it. 100 million. We did it. Just keep dodging punches, Floyd.

You'll get your 100 million. From Andrew. Lucky wins, man. Andrew says when I was 19, I got a stick and poke tattoo of the Blair Witch logo. done on my ass because I had recently watched the pilot for jackass, and they were roasting Ryan Dunn for his tattoos right before he jumped into a river of raw sewage.

My God. The Blair Witch logo? I'm Googling this now. What is the Blair Witch logo? I also don't know. It's like a little stick. Okay. It's like a little stick, man.

It looks like a true detective Carcosa. I know. I was going to say, you're in Carcosa. It looks like a pagan logo. That's tough. Pagan's get a bad rap. Let's delve in there. I don't know.

I honestly, I don't know. I just kind of threw it out there. This is from Justin Sales and editor at the ringer, who's my wife. Who is by far the most tatted up ringer employee. Not even close.

Yeah. I asked him to pick my best or his best in my favorite story, which is, and I asked him for the background on it. And he says, did he tell you that you could say this on the podcast? Yes.

Yes. Okay, cool. This is his description to me. No, I didn't just text him and then like saying it. He says one night I was out partying pretty hard with one of my tattoo artists. We were really fucked up and he said he wanted to do a tattoo. And I said, well, I guess if I get one, I want either Larry David or something from this cartoon about Doc Ellis.

Just, you know, Doc Ellis was this pitcher in the 70s who was on his day off and he dropped acid. And then the manager was like, you have to pitch. And Doc Ellis ended up throwing a hitter on acid. That's amazing. So Justin's like, give me Larry David or Doc Ellis. my friend really jumped at the Doc Ellis thing and put it on me. You said, do you want to see this sketch? It's kind of big.

And Justin's like, no, I trust you. Go for it. Anyway, send him to the picture. This thing is the size of his entire calf. And he's like, Justin's like, yeah, it's my entire calf. And also, I am sober now. He's like, I haven't drank. I haven't drank after that day.

Yeah. That's amazing. Doc Ellis. I literally never understood the impulse of like, Because I feel like people either are afraid of tattoos who don't want something for either that long or don't like needles. And if people have tattoos,

it's either something you like think about and it's like really meaningful and you think about it for a long time and you care about the art or whatever. And then some, I never understood the impulsive tattoo thing and Justin's like, oh, it's easy. I just had $90 and nobody would stop me.

And I'm like, oh. And I feel like it's a snowball effect. I feel like once you get one or two, it kind of just continues and you don't want to stop. And you're like, screw it. I already have two randos. Might as well get 20. We got an email from, I'm sorry, I don't have your name, but I remember the story.

And someone was like, yeah, I was at a tattoo convention because I love tattoos. And there was, I just wanted, like, I had a fomo because everyone was getting them. So I got like slimy from Ghostbusters. But, like, I don't really like Ghostbusters. So now I have to pretend I fucking like Ghostbusters or else I seem like an idiot for getting a Ghostbusters tattoo. It's actually funnier if you don't like Ghostbusters. Yeah. Slimer on your body.

We got an email from Alec. Alec. Alec. I got the Joker tattooed on my arm and it was seriously infected. And he said a picture, just in case he says, just thought you'd love the disgusting skin. He says, the pain from healing was awful, but it was pretty ironic that of all my tattoos,

the one of the Joker was the one that got the scars. So once the scars fully healed, me and my tattoo artist decided to leave the scar tissue, so the Joker actually had scars on his face. Oh my God. Wow. In fact it infected around the mouth? That's pretty cool, actually.

It's crazy. He set the pictures before and after. It looks like it's somehow like crazy or better. Wow. Sometimes things just click. Just clicks. Wow. Oh my God.

That's good. All right. I realize now it's hard to like describe tattoos on a podcast. Yeah, I know. It was a very fun exercise and thank you for everyone sending picks. All right. Well, what a wonderful send off. Liz, Craig's soon-to-be wife, if this was the first episode,

episode you ever listened to. I'm sorry. And I hope it's the last. Definitely the last. Yeah. There's no way. The week of our wedding, there's just no way in hell. She's like throwing this on. I got a throw in a pot.

Can you imagine? She's like her hair person is like doing her hair at the wedding. She's like, hold on. Cold feed episode just dropped. Ring her fantasy show. Her and the bridesmaids just crushing our pod, 2X. email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com I mean anything you want tattoos, stories, all this stuff.

But I really want Craig to get some wedding advice. And, you know, wherever that takes you. Anything else? Yeah, emails, obviously about fantasy football too, questions, but mostly, yeah. Craig's going to go on his honeymoon. DK&O will just give like a pretty unfiltered review of Craig's wedding. Yeah, I'll be back July 17th.

So. Good luck without me, boys. Yeah, have fun, man. Thank you. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, D.K. Thanks for inviting us. Thank you, producer, Jesse, who also just got married.

And that is a whole other story that I want to remember. Congrats. Congrats to producer Jesse. Yeah, Kai bailed on us. Screw you, Guy bailed. Jesse, can I admit that you don't remember your own wedding? Is that okay? Or do we have to cut it?

I mean, you get the producer, you can cut it if you don't want. I mean, we just did. I think it's fine. He remembers. Everyone who was there knows I don't remember. Part of it. Yeah, yeah. I remember getting married.

I remember saying I do. After that, it becomes a blur, and then it's just, that I do to about 15 shots. No, I technically said I don't to 15 shots, but it still got dragged down my throat. So it was the early last for marriage, I guess. I love that you blackback in

and your brother-in-law is mopping, and you're like, what's going on? Yeah, it's the last thing I remember for my wedding is my now-brother-in-law mopping the floor. I think that's with you. Last thing. So you know it was a good wedding. Thank you, Lorne.

Lorne. Thank you, Beastie Boys. You listen to them a lot? I feel like you're a Beastie Boys guy. You were growing up. Oh, you know what gave me the ick, though with the Beastie Boys? Was Kendall Roy in the first scene of succession, though? That, like, now I feel like when I listen to that, I feel like him.

He was the, they were the perfect band to make Kendall Roy listen to. Damn it. It was, like, too good. And then didn't he listen to, like, Jay Z? takeover in like the new season. And I'm like, oh, is this what white people feel like when they listen to Jayze? The white guy rap, like, never misses. Like, just making a white guy listen to rap on TV is just always hits.

Did you ever watch the show Patriot, by the way? I think it was Amazon. I can't remember. But it was really good. It was like about it. It was like sort of like a dark comedy about like a CIA hitman guy. Anyways, their theme song in the second season was B.C. Voice sure shot. And it's like a playoff of something that happened in the show.

But that saves the Kendall Roy's situation. When I was like 10, I used to love Brass Monkey. Yeah, we all did. Isn't it weird to think that like you're a musician and you're making this music that's about like the love of your life leaving or something? You know what I mean? Like these critical things that have happened to you, like the inflection points of your entire existence, your deepest fears. and you're like, dude,

11-year-olds rocked to this Lincoln Park shit. You know what I mean? Isn't that like weird? Talk about numb? Yeah, exactly. I'm talking about numb. Talking about like 10-year-old Danny rocked under the bridge.

And then I learned last year that it's about like, I want to stop doing heroin. Dude, my biggest Lincoln Park memory is that it was the closing song for Transformers. God. This is why artists are like, reticent to like let you know their songs be used at movies

and chips because it's like you just associate it with that you don't even like like the band anymore after that. Yeah but they probably have like a beach house because of that so it's fine. It was going to say. Got me a new kitchen. What's the best example of a song that like a band sold

out on and now it's like a social like I'm thinking to like stop me up stop me up. Applebee's two for 20 red sticks in Buffalo wings. Yeah, but didn't Start Me Up was like they sold it to IBM or

Oh, it was Microsoft. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Microsoft. And that was like, and that was like their... Star me up was the best thing that happened last year. Stavium! Like, we started some guard.

Some guard like tore his arm like it like went 360 degrees and he was like truly in agony and then it was like a split screen of an apple be bad with Start Me Up. That's straight out of a movie, dude. Do you think at this point, they're like, hey, McJagger, Applebees is going to give you $5 million to play Start Me Up.

He's like, I don't give a fuck, sure. He's like, I'll be dead soon. So, okay, what's the worst one after Start Me Up selling out to Microsoft? Because in my generation, I think a lot of people probably like associate Start Me Up with computers. That's a good question. I don't really know. Well, no, it has to be you two doing the free album for, Apple, right? And then Apple didn't build

a way for you to take it off your phone because they didn't think anyone would want to delete it. I tried to get rid of it for so long. I like Final Countdown from Our Edge Development's pretty good. That like, help them though, I think. That's like it made it put them more back in like on the scene.

Yeah. And it was like a good thing to be associated with. That's good. Anyway, we'll think about it. We'll think about it and get back to you. Yeah. You know that at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com too. Deakin, what do you want the parameters to be? This is the song.

Basically, like, the sell out. Songs that are ruined by pop culture. Yeah, like bands. This, like, the fact that they sold out to this particular thing ruined the band for me kind of deal. You know what I mean? That's a great one.

Ringer Fantasy Football at gmail.com. Emails. All right. Goodbye, everyone. Craig. Congrats. We'll see on Friday. So we're not invited to the rehearsal.

No, yeah. Oh, it's welcome drinks. Welcome drinks. It's after the rest of dinner. That's for everybody. Okay. I don't need you rehearsing who's walking down the aisle. You're going to be sitting back of the...

Dude, Craig, you better get ready. High Fitz is going to try to insert himself into this wedding in some way. I know. Like, just be ready for this. I already am. He's going to, like, show up in a tux. I'm just like, I thought we were all doing tuxes. And I'm like, no, man.

It's just kind of the main crew. Like, why are you up here on stage, man? He's like, I wrote a backup sermon if your brother kind of, like, get full feet or something just in case. while we're here I know that California and the East Coast wedding dress codes are a little different

so like I'm just gonna wear a suit like a regular Navy suit and tie that's all you need that's okay I texted Craig if I was allowed to wear a black suit is that so allowed okay

cool yes I mean it's it won't be a tuxedo that matches the wedding party we're not doing black tie not no one has to wear here's my question what's the maybe this is embarrassing but like can you this is actually one of those things that would give a girl the ick but i'm like

is a black suit actually that different from a tux if you wear a tie with the tux or is it because the tux is like shiny like fliers like the lapels are a little different yeah like the shiny strip down the pant the shiny shoes but no it's not that different i also don't really understand the the levels of formality in terms of dress code like there's black tie which ironically means you have to wear a tux and not a tie right black tie means that's you know. It's actually true. No tie.

It means you don't wear a black tie. It means you wear a black bow tie. And then the level below, that's like formal and then semi-formal. But formal also means black tie. Formal means actual black tie. Yes. Semi-formal is like, you can wear a suit. You don't have to wear a tie.

And then cocktail attire is like dress shirt. Is that right? But the problem is the rehearsal dinners, the welcome drinks. Now everyone's making up. People don't want to be like semi-formal. So everyone's like, go throw my friends out of the bus, coastal casual, beach chic,

and I'm like, I don't know what that means. Someone who actually knows the rules is like listening right now and screaming through the... I don't know, are there real rules to me? It's like the generational gap. It's like, we kind of just decided this. Like, there's no actual official body of people that decide these rules.

Well, we don't wear suits. Hardly at all anymore. My rehearsal dinner, I'm wearing a suit, no tie. And I think we said cocktail attire for the wedding, for the welcome drinks. So you don't have to wear a suit, you just wear like a dress shirt. What are you in the groups

doing the morning of your wedding? Which I think one of the craziest parts of the patriarchy is how, like, men literally have to feel. How do I kill six hours while women get up at seven in the morning just to make a five o'clock wedding? Yeah, but you make it sound like the patriarchy

decided that. Like, that's, I mean, it's more of a happy coincidence. Like, the women are deciding to get ready for as long as they want to. Right? Craig, now is a good, time to defend the patriarchy.

No. I'm just like the patriarchy is not why women spend five hours doing their hair. Like they don't have to do it. Kind of. We're going to the pool

at the hotel. We're just going to hang at the pool. That's definitely the patriarchy right there at work. Anyway. All right. Well, don't get some birds.

It's fine. Cool. All right. I'll see you guys in a week.