The Ringer NFL Show - 10 Players We’re Not Drafting This Year

Episode Date: June 25, 2024

LIVE SHOW in Los Angeles on July 30: Click below for tickets! The guys highlight (lowlight?) 10 players they’re avoiding at all costs in fantasy drafts, and explain why you should too (1:59). “You guys want to do some emails?” (46:11) Tickets: https://www.theelrey.com/events/detail/564772 C.J. Stroud, Texans QB (2:40) Najee Harris, Steelers RB (6:40) Austin Ekeler, Commanders RB (10:02) Devin Singletary, Giants RB (11:51) Jordan Addison, Vikings WR (15:14) Chris Godwin, Buccaneers WR (22:08) Jonathon Brooks, Panthers RB (25:00) Javonte Williams, Broncos RB (27:16) Tua Tagovailoa, Dolphins QB (33:29) Cooper Kupp, Rams WR (39:37) Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Y'all, it's the Midnight Boys. Poo-Bee-Boo! And we're opening up the kitchen again to talk about the Bears season three, returning to Hulu on June 27th. That's right, the Midnight Boys are taking over Prestige TV. How you feeling, cousin? Cousin! New restaurant, new takes, new ups, new downs, new season. I'm wearing to go, Chuck.

That's what I'm talking about. Make sure you plug in to the Prestige TV feed. Van and I will be talking about every single episode. of the bear. That's June 27th on the prestige TV feed. Football show, my name is Danny Hyfitz. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig

Horlebeck. And today we are going over 10 players who we are not drafting and also full disclosure. We are recording this on Tuesday, June 18th. So it is a week in advance. I'm going on vacation. Actually, I'm on vacation now while you're listening to this, but we recorded it on Tuesday before I was in vacation. But I feel like

we've been really positive for the last couple months, right, D.K. That's stopped here. No more positive. We literally were just planning out episodes and we're like, we've been really nice about all these guys. And I think it's just time to be a little sharper. Incisive. Is that a word? It is a word.

That's one of those I just nod. I'm not going to lie. I've never known what that word means. Incisive. Google that. You Googled how old you were today. That was last week's episode, but you did that today. The years blend together.

But you know what your birthday. That's the thing. I know. I could have done the math. but then I was just like, let me double check. Let me just check my math. Okay, anyway. We're going over players who are not draft.

Do you want to, should we just dive into this puppy? Yeah, who do we hate? Top 10, let's do it. And just normal caveats where it's like, it doesn't mean we'll never draft this player. It doesn't mean it means we don't like where they're going. Yes, but it also means we kind of never want to draft this player. Yeah, this person would have to be very deep in the draft.

Something like, unless everybody else in my league forgot about this player or there was a glitch in the draft software. I'm not drafting this player. Yeah, like in theory, like if Kyle Pitts, you're like, well, there's always a point where there's a value where the player is worth taking. Yes, but not really. No, we don't want this people. But no, all right, I'm going to immediately kind of break that rule.

But I'm going to go first here because I want to the number one player that I'm not drafting this year. And this is like deeply controversial, but I'm right. So, C.J. Stroud, quarterback for the Houston Texans. Shocking. This is genuinely shocking. I hate this. And I think he's actually not in the spirit of this where it's like other players are people who've wronged us personally.

But Stroud is tough because I think Siji Stroud actually might be the most likable person in the entire NFL right now. I think he's not only had an incredible rookie year. Incredible playoff win. Incredible offseason. Him and Micah Parsons out here like the sumer wrestlers in Japan. Incredible draft analysis. He's doing a lot of media.

Oh, yeah. He's good at it. Yeah. He's like, I feel like he kills Micah Parsons in every episode. He just like completely owns him. When Michael Parsons was like, I would hit 200 in an MLB season, and Cedius Strouds, like, you would not get five hits. He could not hit a baseball.

But no, he's the man. And also he's every bit as good as he seemed in the NFL. I really do think Cesar Strouds like might be from this point on, a top five quarterback going forward to the real NFL. But all that's like why he's a bad fantasy pick. He's so easy to click on. He's so much fun. But like, he's just a pocket passing quarterback.

And so he's going to be the fifth or six best quarterback. off the, like, drafted, you can have Josh Allen, who could lead the NFL in passing and also, like, could score double-digit rushing touchdowns. You got Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hertz, who could run for 1,000 yards for Lamar. Jailen Hertz can score double-digit rushing touchdowns. Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes. He's, like, literally, like, the greatest quarterback of our lifetime, other than Tom Brady, or maybe better. And then Stroud? And that, like, that's my problem.

And then it's C.J. Stroud. You're probably going to have to take ahead of C.J. Because if you want to beat all your friends who saw C.J. Stroud ball out as a rookie, you're going to have to take. Over the people you're going to have to pass on it takes Stroud. Joe Burrow, Kyler Murray, Dak Prescott, Jordan Love, Brock Purdy, Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams, Jared Goff, Justin Herbert, Kirk Cousins, Matthew Stafford. Like, I'd just rather wait 25 picks and get Kyler or Jordan Love. I'd rather wait 45 picks and get Jared Goff and pairing with Jaden Daniels.

And you could convince me that I should wait 80 picks and just take Kirk Cousins and like pick Justin Fields off of waivers when Russell Wilson gets benched in October. Yeah. This is like, he's in the range. C.J. Stroud is in the range of quarterbacks where it's like these are the dual threat, league winning, breaking fantasy type quarterbacks, the guys that are essentially both a running back and a quarterback in one roster spot. And then C.J. Stroud, essentially to live up to this cost and to pay off at this cost,

is going to have to throw like 50 touchdowns. He just doesn't have much rushing upside. Even though he did scramble a little bit more than people were expecting last year, he's not a runner. But he scrambles to scramble. scrambles to throw. Right. And this is also a team, by the way, last year that was really balanced, like frustratingly run heavy.

And so, yeah, I mean, I think it is, Hafeits, you just laid it out really well. It's like basically he's really, really good in real life. But for fantasy, this is probably, you're drafting him maybe even over his ceiling. You know what I mean? Yeah, to me, it's just like, he's just like two spots too high. And it's because of all the hype and he's fun to have

and he's like the next new thing and everybody's into it. but he should settle into that, like, like, did you mention Joe Burrow? How do you feel about Joe Burrow? Same thing. You could get Joe Burrow, like, like, a round or two rounds later. Yeah, he should, I kind of, he should settle into that ring. Like, he should settle into Jordan Love Joe Burroughs. Like, that feels like his, his deck press cut, I guess.

Like, he should exist in there. So I agree with you. Like, going fifth overall at quarterback, I think it's like three spots too high. He's the shiny new toy. And unfortunately, you're paying the price of everyone loving him. him. So he just gets pushed up, but unfortunately it just doesn't make sense. So I hate to say that because he's really fun. Right.

That's what this is for. Kill and joy. Death to joy. Fantasy football. It's summertime. Sun's out. Let's shit on 10 guys. Especially the most fun ones in the NFL. Who do you want to shit on?

This is another player that is pretty much universally loved from a personality. Seems like a great guy. Yeah. He seems like a great guy. smile, always happy, willing to talk to the media, usually. This is Najee Harris for the Steelers. I just do not want to draft him.

Is it because he's the most personable, like, guy to come out of the drafting years? I don't like how nice he is. It's, no, I'm just kidding. Basically, this is just like, imagine drafting a former first round running back on an Arthur Smith run offense. You know, like,

Arthur Smith looks at that first round pedigree and he's probably like, oh, fuck this guy. I want to give this to Jalen Warren. Basically, you can get Jalen Warren a couple, like one or two rounds later and there is, I think, going to get a very similar workload. I think Jalen Warren has a little bit more upside

in the passing game. And yeah, he's just cheaper and probably just straight up better. And looking at like what we're going to do with the volume, I think they're probably going to be pretty even. So I don't understand why you would draft Najee Harris two rounds earlier. Yeah, I think the running game in Pittsburgh

is going to improve significantly. However, I think these two are closer to a one, 1A 1A than they are to like a 1 and 2. So I do agree with you that why take Nadji Harris when you can just have Jalen Warren, who is definitely a better receiver and it gets more upside. And I do like the Steelers offensive line in theory. And I don't want to talk out of both sides of my mouth because I feel like a lot as I go in every offseason,

I have a tattoo on my back. I mean, this isn't as sexiest the other ones, but it's always to be wary of teams where just because they sign new linemen doesn't mean the line will get better. Like every year I want to tell myself Like the new better guys Doesn't mean the overall unit will be better But I think the Steelers line will be better Because they got new guys

They got a handful of new guys They're also all young They're gonna have like three guys In their first or second year on the line And that's exactly my point I think that in two years We might look back on the Steelers off season And be like oh my God

They had a Troy Fautano They have Broder Jones They moved to left tackle Fautano At Right tackle He was Zach Frazier at center Like those are three badasses Like I love Roman Wilson for this team

So like I see how you could talk yourself in in August to like oh my God what if Najee Harris gets all these touches but yeah you nailed it like he's not as good as the guy going later and again it's like what if we just play the game where what if Najee Harris was a seventh rounder and Jill and Warren was a first rounder well if he was a seventh rounder I might be drafting Najee Harris just because Arthur Smith fucking hates first round draft fix and he also like us he hates joy so he hates fantasy and he hates everything about me personally, like the idea of me as a person in the media. And therefore, he's going to give Jalen Warren way more volume.

What's up? Serious question. Do you think we should bring Arthur Smith on the show? Sure, but he would never do it. No, but like what if we got him to do it? Could you be civil? Can we? Oh, yeah, for sure.

No, I couldn't. I would never insult to manifest size. And wealth. And fear of the power. Yeah. I would, yeah. I would praise him enthusiastically in excitement for this upcoming season where I'm very pro Arthur Smith heading into 2024.

Can you imagine Arthur Smith going on a fantasy podcast? I kind of, I kind of want to make it happen. Okay. Next up here, Craig, who's, what lovely, wonderful person do you want to just destroy it for everybody? Sadly, this guy is kind of like famously super nice and like very media friendly. Everyone we're doing the nicest guys in football. What is this?

Very openly, like, it loves fantasy football and is in favor. He's, like, the only athlete that's like, man, fantasy football is great. I'm going to participate and talk about it throughout the season. I'm not drafting Austin Echler this year. He's now on the commanders, the Washington commanders. Do you guys remember that video last year of Austin? I think it was against the Packers. I already do.

And it looks like he genuinely has, like, cement feet. It was hurt I know it was I still can't get that ick out of my head You know even if you're hurt You can't get out of your head It's like a DK still brings up Mark Andrews volleyball

Setting a touchdown It was like four years ago It was like pre-pandemic video He's like I don't like them Yeah I just don't like it I mean he's 29 years old now New team He's Brian Robinson's there

He's gonna be fully splitting time With Brian Robinson Less checkdowns Fewer checkdowns with Gene Daniels Like scrambling a lot The checkdowns I'm just like Like, I kind of want nothing to do with aging Austin Echler as the one B in an offense with the rookie quarterback.

You know, I just, I'm good. Who else? What other nice guys can we just have? Famously nice people can be destroyed. With that said, I hope for nothing but the best for Austin Echler. Hope he's a great season. I hope he's healthy. Seems like a great guy.

He's like all over fantasy podcast. I can't stress this enough. He's like always doing fantasy stuff and like supporting our field. Great guy. But like, I'm good. I'd rather have Austin Neckler, though, than, like, freaking Devin Singletary. Like, that's the thing. He's in the same range as Devin Singletary for the Giants.

And, like, I've heard Devin Singleton, you know, a nice guy. But I, except I don't know as much because I don't know anything about him. Because you know what? Do you guys know three things about Devin Singletary? His nickname is Motor. That's what they call people that can't come up with other adjectives for. Like, he is kind of like mild-mannered. And I don't remember hearing him.

say anything before. Devin Singletary has never had 900 yards in the season, which I somehow just think is like a very Devin Singletary's stat. Like Devon Singletary, I think he's one of the most boring pick players. Like I kind of like his style, but not enough that it's memorable. It's like what they say at Ocean's 11 when they're like, all right, hey, you'd be funny but charmingly, easy to forget. Like every time watch Devon Singletary, I'm like, I like, I like this guy and then I immediately forget he ever existed. And like the idea of that guy on the Giants, who as DK has really made a great point in our professional football analytics world, don't score touchdowns.

If you really dig deep in the stats and the analytics, they don't score very many touchdowns. They don't get points. They don't score points or get yards. And the thought of like, you know, the Giants play in Thanksgiving. And I was just thinking about drafting Devin Singletary and like watching the Giants Devin Singletary on Thanksgiving versus the Cowboys. I actually, I think Devin's playing. Singletary might be the worst fantasy pick you could make in like the last four or five years.

Because he's going to be get enough touches that you can't cut him. But you'll never want to play him. It's just like a roster clogger. He's a roster clogger. And the idea of the Giants' offense being good enough that it would change feels incomprehensible to me. Who's going to lead the team in rushing? Is Daniel Jones going to lead the team in rushing? With the guy with the torn ACL?

No, it'll be Devin Singletary. He'll have 890 yards again. Yeah. He's going to get, he's going to rush the ball like 60. times for 54 yards every game. Yeah. Exactly.

Just two fifth round picks will not be able to play. Two targets and no catches. Yeah. He'll get you like eight points a game and you'll play him during a buy week and you probably drafted him five rounds higher than you should have. Yeah, exactly. So I know Devin Singletary for me.

I'd rather have Austin Eklare than Devin Singletary. I would rather have Austin Echler than Devin Singletary. I went I almost, so for my next one, I almost went with a really, really hot take. and almost said Justin Jefferson is a guy I'm not going to draft. That's not true, though, because I am going to draft him because he's so fucking good. Like the situation, I think almost. He looked into the analytics.

Here's the deal. Have you seen him play? Like, maybe the greatest first four years in league, the first three years. How many years is gone by? Three years. Whatever it is. Really, really good player. I can't bet against Justin Jefferson.

But the offense and just the overall situation. is making such a huge, it's such a huge downgrade versus last year with going from Kirk Cousins to whether Sam Darnold or J.J. McCarthy, almost don't really care. Like both of those guys, I think this is going to be an offense

that is trying to be more balanced after being super pass heavy last year. I think the efficiency is going to go way, way down. I think even Justin Jefferson could be a little more volatile than people want from a top 10 pick. But Justin Jefferson's awesome.

And I'm not sure I can say the same thing about Jordan Addison. And that's my guy here. Jordan Addison, I just do not think I'm going to be drafting him in redraft at all. He was promising last year at times, but most of his good weeks came when Justin Jefferson was out of the lineup. And now he's going to be the number two person in this offense, maybe number three person when Hawkinson comes back.

I don't know, man. Like, I just don't think the upside is there when you're drafting this guy in the six or seventh round. That feels way too rich. And especially when you look at all the guys around him in ADP, like I'd just rather take literally almost every player around him over Jordan Edison. So I just don't think I'm going to be drafted him at all. Yeah, I mean, the only time these like 1B guys really work is when the quarterback is great, right?

Like it works with Devante Smith because they have Jalen Hertz. Like Cooper Cup and Pooka Nukuha Kna Cua because they have Matt Stafford. You know, Jamar Chasing DeHiggins have Joe Burrell. It gets a lot diceier, depending when there's a true like Belcal number one dude at wide receiver like a Justin. And you're relying on a crappy quarterback to like also sustain a second players. you know, fantasy stats. So I'm kind of not against you here. No, I'm totally with you, D.K.

I thought that Jordan Addis and Justin Jefferson thing reminded me a lot of when Julio Jones weirdly had a problem scoring touchdowns with the Falcons. And then they added Calvin Ridley, who not exactly the same size, but like Calvin Ridley also kind of like that 1B overqualified too, but like really wiry, not necessarily like the fat,

like all polish and technical, but not necessarily like the physical dominance that you want for Calvin Ridley or Jordan. Anderson, but I always thought that, like, that actually was really well-suited to produce behind, like, a Julio Jones. Like, Calvin Ridley was really well-suited to be open when you have Matt Ryan thrown to Julio Jones. And I thought, I liked Jordan Edison last year for the same reason of Kirk Cousins throwing

to Addison with Justin Jefferson. And then obviously Kirk Cousins and Jefferson both go down. But for the exact same reason, I totally agree with you. I don't think Jordan Addison's game is, like, going to be super well-suited for Sam Donald and JJ McCarthy. Yeah, I mean, it's like very, like, again, I said this on the last pod. Very few rookie quarterbacks can sustain even a wide receiver one in fantasy, not to mention like two high-end receivers.

And Addison ran really pure last year and touchdowns. He had 10 touchdowns last year. It'll probably be three this year. Right. I mean, yeah, more likely going to be in that area. And so I just feel like he's being overdrafted. I think he's a good player, but the situation is just not great for him. Three is extreme, but I'm just going to stick with that because I said it.

But I will say. see it for sure. I like, I'm, uh, we all should have one thing where we just admit we're dumb and saps and naive, uh, what simps is that what's called? Simps. Is that what the zoomers call it? I'm a simp for Sam, Arnold. Oh yeah? You don't think it's a huge drop off between you're simp and Donald?

I, I kind of still believe. Like I, I, I, he's the only player. I, for the 99% of players who were taking in the first round, it didn't produce in 45, five years. Oh, it's six. Oh, it's six, isn't it? Holy hell. Well, anyway.

A lot of people go to college for six years. He's the only, yeah, two were drafted in the first round this year, three. Three were top 12 quarterbacks six, right. But I like, wow, that's one way to think of it. If you believe in Jane and Daniels and Bo Necks and Michael Pennix, instead of being in college the whole time, Sam Donald kind of was in the NFL. Yeah, school hard knocks. Exactly.

But I kind of just think he's going to be all right. Like I just think. So you think Sam Darnel is. going to be a starter, not J.J. McCarthy. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. What is it about, what is it about Sam that does it for you?

The problem was, the face. The bad face. The problem, well, so I'm just, as you know, a radical about quarterback nature, nurture, basically that the NFL drafts of Woodchipper, where we take the best prospects, give them to the worst teams and wonder what's wrong with the guys instead of ever wondering what's wrong

with the fucking teams. And Sam Donald went to like the Adam Gase Jets. And I just I just don't think that was a great environment for him to succeed. And the problem going back to college was always occasionally, his brain, not making the right decisions. And I think that the Vikings and Kevin O'Goddle can take as much of his brain out of the equation as possible. And I would be excited to see what a quarterback with his physical traits would do if he could like, you know, organize his thoughts. I think I'm done with the darnal thing.

Why? Because he's been in the next year for six years. Give me one reason why you're out. Was it your four? Was it year five? Was it your six? I told you, it was simple. It's just,

you know, it's just my gut, guys. I can't really explain it. I think I remember last year we had to decide when he was on San Francisco. I think Hyphitz made us pick.

Like, you have to be in or out. And I believe I was in. I think I joined Hyphitz on the Donald train. I did. It was the day he got traded or signed or whatever. And I was like, you're in or out.

because he had a year under Shanahan that, you know, Purdy played. But I just think, I don't know, man. If he came back, how, isn't it easy to think if Sam Donald came out with like 14 touchdowns the three picks and the Vikings started like four and O? And you're like, you know, he had a year under Shanahan. Top number, you know, top three pick, man.

I'm just saying. Who are some other players in the Sam Donald, like? A player who went to the Jets and then way later as a backup head of his, yeah, Gino fucking Smith. No, I literally happened already. No, because. Here's the difference between Gino and Sam. Almost no one believed in Gino after like a year.

For some reason, people are still like on the Sam Darnel train. I'm just curious, what are some of the other players in that Sam Darnold area, like that world or whatever, where five, six years have gone by? People still believe in him for some reason. I was just going to say, Daniel Jones. I was just going to say Daniel Jones. I feel like people are higher on, I feel like people are higher on Donald maybe than Jones at this point. but maybe that's just me projecting. Who are some other players?

Craig, are there any players in like the NBA that are like that? Oh, Anthony, Andrew Wiggins. I guess. He's bounced around a decent amount.

I know he wanted, he was the second best player to a title team. They were best, I guess. Yeah, but does that, does that,

like, go against what D.K's asking about here? I guess not. I don't know. I'm trying to think of NBA comps to like Sam Darnold. Or baseball. I mean, it's like,

are we looking for a player rebounded or a player that people thought would rebound. No, I'm just looking for a player who, like, we're in year five or year six, and people are still like, this is the situation where his talent is going to show through and he's finally going to be good,

even though he's showing almost nothing to prove that. Zion? Yeah, maybe Zion. Weakens actually is not a bad pick. Yeah, maybe it's Zion. DeAngelo Russell? I don't know. We'll see.

Email us at Reinfancy. If only we knew someone who covered basketball with him. All right, next up here, Craig. Give us a really nice. Oh, my God, I'm looking. this is also a really nice person that we're just shitting on. What is with this day? I don't think we went out of our way to pick nice guys, but there's a bad theme here.

This is just the bullying episode. Nice guys finished last. This is what we've been taught our whole lives. Chris Godwin, not doing it. Craig, there's no player in the NFL. Craig hates more than Chris Godwin. Who is famously like the nicest guy ever. Maybe he needs to be a little bit meaner.

Ask for the ball a little bit more on the damn field. Well, his wife did last year. that's when you know you're nice is when you can't complain but your wife has to for you wait Chris Godwin's wife was complaining I missed this yeah Chris Godwin's wife

was like posting on Instagram or something at you know three quarters away through the season or whatever it was and from that point on if you look at his splits like he totally took off

in terms of target rate targets and catches and all that after his wife was complaining on Instagram well I wish he complained in week four because he took off in week 14, which is the beginning of the fantasy playoffs, which helped nobody, because if you had Chris God when you weren't in those playoffs, literally weeks one to 13, he was the wide receiver, 46. He had one touchdown in 13 weeks. Then, playoffs, week 14 to 17, he's the wide receiver 13 overall,

and he has one touchdown. I'm so sick of the cold, the Chris, I'm telling you, it was the single most disappointing season for a player that didn't get injured last year. He had 1,000 yards and two touchdowns. Two touchdowns. Mike Evans at 13. What are these years I just need? to draft Mike Evans. One of these years. One of these years. He's 31 years old. Oh, 30 years.

Mike Evans at 13 touchdowns last year. Godwin's had 10 in the last three years. And yet every year, I'm like, I don't know. Mike Evans, you're older. Craig, does it, uh, it doesn't move you, I assume then that there's all this talk, this offseason that he's going to be moving into the slot. He's going to be playing that Cooper Cup style role in the Liam Cohen offense. Like, this is his year when he really can shine.

Get back in the slot and do his thing. Everybody was hyped last year. We all did this last year. There was nobody else. It was always Mike Evans and Chris Godwin. Oh, Mike Evans, he might leave the team. He might not even be on the team next year because this is going to be Godwin's team. Godwin's coming off of the year after the year after.

None of it panned out. I don't want it. He doesn't score touchdowns. It actually affects me. I actually think Chris Godwin for him. Craig just said is a good by-low. I think he's also post type sleeper's weird because he like was really good and then God went.

I don't know what he is, but I actually think. So Todd Bowles said a couple of, like in May that Godwin had the injury last year. Bull said Godwin was coming off the injury last year, so I don't know if he was at Fulltel inside or outside, but he looks a lot quicker, a lot lighter and he's healthier now. So, you know, Todd Bulls here said, best shape of his life for Chris Godwin.

Hell yeah. I actually kind of buy it. But also, you know, he's a really nice guy, so who knows? I'll set this one out. Wow, this really is an inadvertent theme of this episode. The next guy here that I'm not, I'm just not drafting, period. Jonathan Brooks for the Panthers running back. So Jonathan Brooks was a very fun running back prospect out of Texas.

D.K. You comped Jonathan Brooks to small Mondre Stevenson, which I thought was... He's not really that much smaller, but I mean, it's cute. Technically. It's good. Thank you. This is, and again, nice guys, this is the guy that Jerry Jones was raving about as the best interview he'd seen in 30 years. Before he got drafted. Yeah.

Just, dude, the Joe Biden of the NFL, Jerry Jones. It's just like, Jerry Jones is older than Joe Biden. and that worth remembering that with Jerry Jones being like, I love this guy and then his son being... He's very, very, very high on our board. So anyway, the Panthers traded up and took Jonathan Brooks. And it's like the moneyball meme. It's like, there's just one problem.

And it's like he tore his ACL in November. And I don't want a running back on one of the worst offenses in the NFL that not only needs to catch up to NFL speed, but also physically recover from an ACL. I just, like, I understand there's a world we're like, oh, well, what if he gets better late in the season and that's better than early? I'm like, yeah, but like, I got to just stare at this guy

on my bench for the whole time and be like, well, if the Panthers aren't the worst team in the NFL, and if Jonathan Brooks is healthy, and if he's good enough to outplay the other running backs and the coaching staff determines they want to just force feed this rookie running back coming off at 20 ACL, then it'll work. And I'm like, no, I'm good. Yeah, rookie ACL worst team in the league?

Like, what? Yeah, I'm just, not for me. I can score a lot of touchdowns probably in this offense. I think the way that he redeems himself and it actually does live up to his 80p or whatever is that he catches a ton of passes. But you need to do that. You need reps.

You need to practice. He's going to miss the, like it's like, oh, in theory, I'm not super optimistic how much training camp he's going to get in. And I'm like, we were literally talking.

I think one episode ago where we were like, really matters for rookies to get reps. Oh, 100%. Yeah. And he's not going to get any fucking reps. And he's not getting anything made. anything in June. We'll see how much it gets in July and August. And I'm like, this guy's going to be like blocking,

but he isn't going to practice to like late August? Like, no, I'm out. Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right. Nice guy, though. Speaking of running backs with ACL injuries, one guy I'm kind of just out on this year, I think, is Javonte Williams running back for the Broncos who, you know, ostensibly he's the starter in Denver.

It sounds like he's, you know, at least in front of the line for that right now, that role. He's now two plus years removed from his ACL. So in theory, he could be much more explosive and give back to the guy that we saw coming out in North Carolina, really explosive, physical, breaks a lot of tackles. He just hasn't looked like that guy at all to me, especially last year. And generally speaking, just like his role is too fragile. I do not want to be prisoner to the whims of a megalomaniac Sean Payton. Like Sean Payton.

Meglamian. He is. His, he could have like a bad son. He could have a bad Saturday and just decide that Javante Williams is no longer going to be playing. and that wouldn't surprise me. Sean Payton, I just don't want to, like, have to rely on Sean Payton's decision-making.

Like, I can see a world in which we're, like, next off-season, talking about how Sean Payton's like, yeah, yeah, we were really the ones that kind of held Javante Williams back. You know,

we probably should have played him or whatever, and now he's a free agent. They just drafted Audrake Esamay. Julelea McLaughlin is getting a ton of hype in training camp. They're hyping up this Blake Watson guy. Somaget P. Ryan is still on the team. I just, feel like Javonte Williams, particularly

where he's being taken right now, is he's just too, his role is just too fragile. And I don't trust Sean Payton at all. I just feel like Sean, Payton will probably end up starting estimate halfway through the year. All these guys are in a tier, though.

So Jonathan Brooks, like if you look at, you know, like, sometimes best ball average draft position is a good conduit for positional values, positional rankings. And you have Jonathan Brooks is like the 27th,

running back. Well, you actually have Jalen Warren, who we talked to at 26. Jonathan Brooks is the 27th running back for Carolina. Giovante Williams is 28. Tony Pollard, Rehomis. Then Devin Singletary, Austin, Eckler. And I'm like, I'd take... I kind of would want Javant... I mean, I would take Rehme Mostert probably, but... I like Javante Williams more than Singletary.

I like Javante Williams more than Jonathan Brooks, though. I kind of don't mind him. I would rather have Brooks. I'd rather have Pollard. I'd rather have Moster. I think Echler. You'd rather have Brooks? That's my question. You'd rather have Jonathan Brooks coming off a torn ACL.

Yeah. Than Jonathan, then Giovante Williams two years removed from a torn ACL. Yeah. I got to, I don't know what happened to Javante Williams. Like, everybody was so in on him.

It was a knee injury. It's like a really bad knee injury. But yeah, it was a bad knee injury. But like he's back and theoretically healthy. Played last year and just like nobody talks about this guy. Like he is completely off the, off the map right now. He has to take a big, big jump to me and like his actual.

performance. Like he just did not look good to me last year. But didn't we know that would be the case? Literally, we went into the year and we were like, year after the year after. This year, this year, this injury is too much for him to like look like himself this year. And so we're punishing him for not looking like himself. Like, I feel like we knew that going into last year. D.K. just hates old cocky coaches. Yeah. Honestly, it's, that's actually my question. Is it about Giovante Williams or is about tethering any part of it? Like that you're older and wiser because you Googled your age and you're 41. and you're wise enough to know

toxic people in your life. Toxic coaches should be extricated. So is this about Sean Payton or is it about Jvonne? This is more about Sean Peyton. Yeah. I don't want to shackle. I don't want to hitch my wagon to Sean Peyton. I'm glad we got to the root of this.

Yeah. This should be a whole episode because we're basically out on all the nice players, but we should also be talking about out on toxic coaches. I just, you know how I am with like coaches that have seemingly irrational usage of players. I just do not,

like, that's the Arthur Smith. thing, the corollary of Arthur Smith, I feel like Sean Payton is just so weird with his personnel. I don't understand what he's doing with his personnel and I don't have any confidence that he's going to

play Javante Williams. I also just am kind of, I just have doubt that Janté Williams will ever get back to where he was prior to the injury, but it's more, for me it's just more that I don't trust Peyton. I'm trying to think if there's like, like, Sean Peyton, who like has pelt

on the wall, won a Super Bowl, probably should to want another one, but then also has the Taysam Hill. I feel like there's got to be a director like that, Craig. Like, and that Shaman or some shit? I don't know. Who's the Sean Payton? Boz Lerman. Yeah, Boslerman's fun, I guess. Nomination with like Moulon Rouge.

I don't know. Somebody who just like hit big on one thing, but then otherwise is like, kind of overrated. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. The Drew Brees. I don't know. I don't know.

I figure that out. Email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail. gumel.com if you know what Sean Payton is. Like metaphorically, not like literally. I mean, actually, if you know he is, if you know, Sean Payton, email us. The funny thing is, though, all these guys, like we're just Pollard, Mostert, Echler, Singletary Spirit.

Like, no one really wants these guys. Like, I do. I like Pollard. I like Mostert. Like, Brian Robinson is down in that list. Trey Benson's in that list. Most is the wildest ADP. Because Mostert, like, led the NFL in touchdowns,

and then nothing in theory has changed. And then it's like, yeah, he's like a hundredth. I know. It is weird. It's like, what the fuck? And it's like, no, he can't do that again. He's going to get hurt. And he's like, low. He's like barely higher than he was last year.

It's what I did with Marshawn Lynch and Derek Henry for their entire careers. It's just every year I'd be like, eh, ain't going to happen this year. Moster was going like, 140th last year. And we're like, well, yeah, he's like one of the oldest running backs in the league. And then he led the league in touchdowns. We're like, yeah, he's going a hundredth, you know. There's nothing. Like, the fear of being one year too late is so much stronger than the upside of just like,

drafting a guy who might be old and old guys have no they have no uh margin for error in our minds you know what i mean like he could get a little bit worse and he'd still be awesome but we're upside is so much more tantalizing than something that you've already seen the potential mystery box mystery box although for me that's why this year is the year of the 30 year old for me there you go we're going all 30 years i'm in on cooper cop and derrick henry any uh who else you add on crick i will not be drafting to a tongue of i loa if even if you paid me nice guy nice guy

hyfitz what did you say we were talking offline and hyfitz mentioned who was uh hyphids is like have you seen his like transformation he looks weird and we're like he lost weight

it was like a really negative connotation what was the word that you used I can't remember shit uh high fist was like new look is that he was like his weird new look I think he said

I'm like what he lost weight he looks great what are you talking this is the healthiest he's ever read Hyphen says, his weird new look? What's going on? I don't know, man.

Weird new look. You need a dad bod that you're a good quarterback these days. All the good quarterbacks of dadbonds. Yeah, also, I feel like you got to keep on that weight. You want to sustain some hits. You don't want to get skinny. I feel like that's a, I feel like that's, I don't know, I feel like that's overrated, like having the padding.

His ability to like escape and evade instead of getting hit, I think is probably more important than having like a few extra LBs. I'd rather be fast enough to not get hit. then have like five more pounds to get tackled by TJ Watt. Yeah, thank you very much. Like the eternal question we've had with, this is a totally different type of quarterback, but like Russell Wilson has,

has vacillated between getting super thick in the offseason versus losing weight and wanting to be more mobile and more agile. Then he gets thick the next one because he wants to take more hits or wants to be able to take more hits. And then like he like goes back and forth every offseason, it feels like. So I think it's like there is no right answer. Like do quarterbacks want to weigh more? Like I feel like that doesn't actually.

Unless you're like Bryce Young and like 190 pounds. But Bryce, all right. I feel not strongly about this, but I think that the weight thing's a little overrated. Because you're right. The Bryce Young thing, it's that he was, didn't weigh a lot, but he's also short. So you look at like Jaden Daniels versus Anthony Richardson. And you're like, oh, wow, Jayden Daniels is really thin. So is he going to be able to sustain hits?

And I'm like, the problem is he's a fucking bumper car and he takes all the goddamn hits. Yeah. He has no fucking fear. You're like, Russell Wilson is, oh, it's like, well, he's thick so he can take hits. Russell Wilson doesn't take hits.

He slides. Russell Wilson has never been tackled outside the pocket in his life. He goes down. He runs out of bounds. He slides. He does not get hit by people if he doesn't have to.

Same with Drew Breeze. Same with Kyler Murray. Actually, he's really good about going down, like baseball, whatever you want to call it. So I'm just like, I don't know,

Anthony Richardson, big guy. You know who's like, guess what? He made four games in the NFL. until he got hurt. You know who his career? You know who's like the biggest quarterback

that I've ever seen play in the NFL ever? Cam fucking Newton. You know who took so many goddamn hits that his career ended like seven years earlier than it should have? Cam Newton. His career, functionally speaking, his shoulder didn't work in 2018.

He got cut by the Panthers because his shoulder didn't work. He had an eight-year career. Like, I don't think your size just helps you. You take hits or you don't. And the margins of how much the weight helps you does not offset the taking of the hit. That's my big.

Thank you. That was kind of what I was getting at. It's like Tua's game is not running around and like, you know, doing the Houdini act in the backfield. Like he just gets rid of the ball so quickly. I think losing the weight is going to make him a little more elusive in the pocket. He can step up and around and get around in the pocket a little bit more. I don't think it's going to be like he's going to turn into a running back or anything like that. I feel like the only quarterback where I'm like his size kept him alive for his entire season or for his entire crew.

I know exactly. Yeah, exactly. going to say. Like Ben really shrugs off tackles. Like that was the only thing keeping that guy alive is people just bounce off him. Andre the giant back there just like like, wait, throwing people off his back. His size really, really helped him, I think. Who were we talking with the other day that Roth that was like Rathusberger, like he actually

couldn't start playing until he took a hit, like he needed one to just take the edge off? Yeah, it was whenever they were coming out of halftime and they're like, yeah, Rathesberger ankle sprained taped him up, little quarter. in the foot. I was like, oh, he's going to be great. Brett Farms like that's like that, too,

I feel like. Well, there's probably so much quarter zone or whatever they're doing in the locker room that you need to hit just kind of, you know,

unfog. You know how there's that, like, weird thing in sports or like when you get a little bit dinged up and it's like publicly known that you're injured, you actually feel less nervous

to play because now you have an excuse if you play poorly. So now you can almost kind of play freely. Play free in the absence of fear. Yeah. Offisberger is actually the healthiest guy in the league. But anyway, yeah,

too, not doing it. year. Fifth most touchdowns. Second in yards per attempt. Dolphins were great. Tyree Kill almost set the yards record. They scored 70 plus points in a game, and he was the QB19. It was legit. Last year was like the best case scenario for the dolphins. Right. And he was the QB19. Like nobody got hurt. I guess, you know, Devon A. Chain here and there. But Tyree Kill, Jalen Waddle, where he most of the running game was cooking. I mean, they probably should have won the AFC East, and yet he was a fringe top 20 guy.

What does he need to do to, this is an obvious question, just throw more touchdowns? Like there's no scenario in other scenario in which he can like be top. No, he needs to throw for 42 touchdowns, which I guess is possible. And again, not, I haven't even mentioned the fact that if he has one more concussion, his career could end, which didn't happen last year. And they're obviously designed the entire offense around him not getting hit. But that's also something that lingers. I wouldn't give to it to quarter billion dollars.

I'm, I just wouldn't do it. 100%. I just, I just can't. I, I understand it because he is the best quarterback in the dolphins last, literally last 25 years for Miami.

You're just, you're just anti his weird new look, aka he got in shape. It's weird. His weird new look. Have you seen his weird new look? Yeah, he lost weight. What's he going for?

It looks great. What are you talking about? Wait until he starts playing worse and you'll get it. Last guy here. I want to mention Craig, you mentioned Cooper Cup. And I actually thought about he's fascinating because I think that if you,

like if you have one fantasy team, Cooper Cup actually is like the Devon A chain of receivers, not in that he's like Devon A. H.N. but stylistically. But in that he just is the most boom or bust receiver I can imagine. Because I feel like Cooper Cup is very easily

a top 10. wide receiver in fantasy if he's healthy, but also would you be at all shocked if Cooper Cup was like just never the same and a total shell of himself and just like a Curtis, like not Curtis Samuel S receiver, but dropping, I mean, down the stretch,

Cooper Cup was scoring as many fantasy points in the middle of October, November, is Darius Slaten. It's weird. If you go back to, like, it actually is not as bad as everybody thinks it was. I think there was like a three week stretch where he was putting up,

like five fantasy points a game as Pook and Coole was going crazy. But he's kind of like Mike Trout now where he has the talent but the guy just can't say on the field. It's the perfect comp. You know? And it's like... That's perfect. He just can't get out of his own way with these like soft tissue injuries. There's always

an ankle roll. It's a hamstring pull. But if you could guarantee me, Cooper Cup was playing 17 games, like I still think he's like a top 10 guy. If you look at last year he has games of like 148 in a touchdown, 111, 115 in a touchdown, 111 in a touchdown. Like, I still think Cooper Cup has it.

And he's a psycho about his health. And he's like a real gym rat, Cooper Cup. But I'm willing to bet that he's, like, I still think he has it in the tank. This is a guy who kind of got started later in his career. Like, if he's healthy, I'm still in on him. And I think that Stafford can sustain the two of them. So Cooper Cup is appropriately right, like right next to Stefan Diggs.

But or yeah, or he like pulls his hamstring week two and you're like, my season's over. But would you rather have Cooper Cup or like, like, D.K. Keph. Cooper Cup. Oh, man. I'm in on Cooper Cup this year, but I feel like I could make the argument.

Maybe I'm missing, I'm forgetting somebody. Cooper Cup was the worst pick in fantasy last year, right? Yeah. He had a hamstring injury right before. Cup had a hamstring injury right before the season. And so we didn't know how healthy was. And then he went to a specialist.

And it was like a lot of conflicting information and a lot of weird reports came out. But, yeah, if you draft a Cooper Cup in the first rounds, he was definitely the worst pick. Because you know why? He came back. you might not have played him in his first game back

because he'd missed a month with the hamstring injury. So you might not have played him. And he had like 160 yards in like a touchdown. Then you played him again. He was great. But then two, like 300 yards in two games, that's amazing. Then the next six weeks,

he barely had 160 yards in the next six weeks combined. So then you played him for that. Then you probably started benching him. Then his only other good game of the year was against the Ravens were the best defense of the league. And after six weeks of not cracking 50 yards, you probably benched him.

So we had four good games and you probably missed two of them. Yeah. So that's kind of brutal. Tough go. Anyway. Okay. Those are the players who are not drafting.

You know what? Cooper Cup, nice guy. Yeah. Wow. So just we don't like nice people. Is that the thing? We're out on nice people in 2024.

Yeah. C. J. Stroud, Najee, Austin, Ecclary, Addison, Chris Godwin, Jonathan Brooks, Giovanni, Tua. Yeah. It's a very nice team.

Yeah. I mean, this is like, the opposite of a nightmare, blunt rotation. It's like, man, What a great day. What a wonderful bachelor party. This would be with these guys.

Yeah, it's like really thoughtful. They would do the thing and they go around and circle and everyone tells a story about what they like about you. That's never not weird, by the way. For each of our birthdays, we just go around and say lovely stories about the other person. It would honestly be okay. There's only three of us. It's always awkward when there's like 12 and you're like, this is going to take like a half an hour. What are we doing?

We've only done it once. It was really nice. But then that was it. I forgot what we did that for DK, I think we did it for DK. Maybe that was when I turned 40. We had to remind you. Which was a certain number of years ago and I don't know.

Oh, no, go ahead. No, what's up? No, no. Keep it going. Keep this thing, Kai. This is how the sausage is made. All right. I don't know what the fuck.

It just happened. But let's do some emails. I was going to say something about Cooper Cup and I was like, screw it. No, fuck that. Let's just do some e-bills. We're not going back. No, we can't go back. We have to go back.

We're not turning around. E-mails on Netflix. Email, really? Yeah, losses on Netflix now. What did that happen? Oh, God. High Fitz's, if it's his job performance is going to fall precipitously now.

Netflix is so crazy because, like, Lost was on Hulu for years. No one cares. And everyone's like, losses on Netflix as if they couldn't watch it for the last 10 years. It's like when any receiver goes to the Chiefs. Yeah. No, it's really sex in the city.

Max and it's on Netflix and it's like wow. Now it's the most popular show in the country. Sex and the City, incredible rewatch. Absolutely amazing. Oh, I've never seen. Liz is watching it. I see it here and there. Craig, just get over it. Just sit down and just watch an episode of literally any

episode with Liz. He cragged you. I'm not like anti-in-the-show because it's like four women. I just like haven't seen it. I'm not against it. Craig, just get rid of your misogyny and watch the fucking show. No, I didn't. Women can have shows too, Craig.

They're doing shows now, Craig. I know it's going to be hard to believe. It's really good with the time. Sorry, it's not always sunny. Okay, an email from Alex. It seems like Seinfeld for women, though. That's what Sex and the City seems like. It's, it's, it, it's, sex in the city like Seinfeld,

now that I am actually older is even better. I know it's obviously like more, more, like, risque and explicit. There's more sex. and there's more sick. Yeah. Good word. There's an episode where Sam tries to return a neck massager

to sharper image that's pretty legendary. I'll have to check that out. Anyway. What's the context here? Was she using it for something else? Yes, that's the context. Why don't you walk me through the episode?

She called it a vibrator. And the woman's like, ma'am, that's a neck massager. And Sam's like, do you think all the women in here are paying $170 for fucking neck massage? And then all the women, like in the store just like freeze. That's funny.

It's great. Yeah. Isn't there one of the four women like unlikable? Isn't there one that nobody likes one character? This is a whole other show. Don't get him. It's complicated. All right.

All right. Alex emailed us about the Charlotte Bobcats. Alex. Great. Yeah, fuck Alex, right, Craig. Oh, sorry, Alex. Yeah, okay. All right.

So Alex, wake up, Craig. Yeah, geez. Get over it, Craig. Great Pod and NBA. team names, but you missed the best one. The Charlotte Hornets, nay, the Charlotte Bobcats. I had this thought that I was

missing something with the Bobcats because I did the Hornets. You want to explain it then? Oh, I know the Bobcat thing about it. I didn't know the story. I don't know the Bobcats. Tell me. So the Bobcats were named the Bobcats because the owner Bob Johnson wanted to name the team after himself. Oh, come on. God damn it. That's wild. That's

fucking nuts. I mean, isn't the Cleveland Browns the same thing? Yeah, but he founded the fucking team and he invented modern football. He earned it. He's literally like Bill, he invented the playbook and huddling. He can do whatever he wants. God, can you imagine being named Bob Johnson?

That's the most generic name I can imagine. Bob Johnson was the name of team after himself. Give me a more generic name. Email us if your name is Bob Johnson. Email us Bob Johnson. I got a couple. How many you think we got over under? Does Robert Johnson count or do you have to go by Bob?

No, no, any Robert Johnson's fine. No, it's got to be Bob. Okay, but how do you determine because you have different people in your life who call you Bob versus Robert? Majority rules. Email, you're Robert Johnson. I'm the one who checks the email.

Email us, you're Robert Johnson. Your name is also Dan Kelly. Look, pal. Throwing stones from you glass. You know exactly Leonardo DiCaprio, but... Tough but fair. One of my favorite facts of all time is that when Leo de Caprio was like 15 years,

old, his agent told him to change his name to Lenny Williams because nobody would cast somebody named Leonardo DiCaprio. He would have lost, immediately lost all sex appeal. Should we tell you, Javier Gibbs, change your name to Robert Woods? Bob Woods. Bob Johnson.

We got a great email from somebody. I can't remember the name. I apologize, but it was about a three-team name swap. Have we talked about this on the pod? Did you guys see this? He wants it to be a three-team NBA trade of names. Where Where the Utah Jazz would trade...

Sam Jensen. Oh, nice. You got that quick. The Utah Jazz would trade the jazz to the Memphis Grizzlies, because jazz in Memphis. The Grizzlies would trade their name to Toronto as an ode to the old grizzlies in Canada. Oh, yeah, I like that. And then the Grizzlies, or sorry, then the Raptors would go to Utah because Utah is like...

Tons of dinosaurs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're digging up dinosaurs. Yeah, but who says no, the Raptors got to say. know. Like the Toronto gives them a raptors.

The raptors aren't going to want the old Vancouver team name. Yeah. You don't think? It's a little biased against Canadians. Vancouver and Toronto is super far from each other. I feel like there's a,

there's a west coast, East coast beef between Toronto and Vancouver. And Vancouver, is that right? I could be making that up. Canadians, let us know.

I am Canadian. That was a deep cut for a live show thing, wasn't it? Yeah. I am from Canada. That's how you open all your emails. Some guys said like, I'm Canadian, and then it kind of had nothing to do with the rest of the question.

And we were like, why did you say that? It's because Canadian town names or something anyway. I don't know. Anyway. But I feel like there's, you know, there's a rivalry between the two coasts in Canada. Next up, we got a big update on tell us about the war grandpa. Okay.

Kai, get ready. Shout out Carly. Carly. Carly made us a song. What? For Tell us about the war, grandpa. Kai, hit it. Tell me about the war.

Wow. Holy shit. That was incredible. Carly. How did she make that? That's unbelievable. That was really good. It reminded me of the...

Speaking of Tell Us About the War, it reminded me of like early, late 90s, early aught's like, pop punk. Pop punk. Tell me what. That was really good. And this is going to be insulting. So I apologize, Carly.

Like, good Charlotte. Yeah. What was the Canadian band? Sun 41? Like, right? They are from Canada.

Yeah. I am Canadian. Well, incredible song. I was feeling a ton of nostalgia listening to that. Thank you. Yeah, Carly, that's the clubhouse leader.

What? So I couldn't believe it. SU. Fist. Pocket Diction. Absolutely incredible. And I was amazed. Someone else also made us a song.

God. Shout out Chase. Chase. Chase. We got multiple songs? We do. Kai, hit it. Turn to you. Come up. The warm is story.

Incredible song. Holy shit. I love that. Man, maybe we could alternate. Yeah, I was going to say, we should just use both because it's impossible to pick two. Thank you so much for making those. All right. Yeah.

Honestly, shout out. Thank you to both. Incredibly talented listeners. Yeah. Or it was AI. But either way. Thank you. Carly Chase, open I.

I, the formerly the nonprofit company. I love both the pop punk and like the 50s duop. That was amazing. That was sick. Yeah. Incredible.

So that was quite the development. And then really appropriately. I love the Carly's song has the burning CDs. But we got to tell us about the word grandpa email from Joey. Joey. Joseph.

Joseph. Joseph writes, you mentioned burning CDs and making mixtapes, both of which were much easier than trying to record a weekly episode of your favorite TV show on VCR. Yeah. I will bet Robert Oppenheimer couldn't program a fucking VCR to record. And if the VCR actually did record, it would eat up the tape. Y'all don't know the pain. people throwing VCRs at the wall

or out the window would become viral today. Imagine having to set the VCR for a Sunday night Game of Thrones season finale only to find out you actually have the 1993 national championship game or an episode of blues clues.

I don't remember how to set a VCR. How did you even do it back then? I'm trying to remember because I know I've done that before in my life. But yes, this was a very common thing. like you accidentally record the wrong channel or some shit or like you misread the timing from TV guide. Do you guys remember TV guide?

I think that's actually still a thing. It's in Seinfeld and Sex in the City. Yeah. Damn, I'm trying to remember how you do that. I don't know. So like there's also like great stories of guys like taping the Super Bowl over their wedding video and not realizing it. Yeah.

What does VHS stand for? Video home system. Service? Video home service? No, it's not. service. Video home system. I got it.

Hello, obviously. Hell yeah. I'm from the 90s. What did SUV stand for, Craig? Do you remember? Yes, I remember. Sports utility vehicle. I really do think that Craig has gotten more like me because the amount of emails,

like after monitoring the email for years now, there really weren't many people like coming for you guys being dumb. And then this year it's been like Craig was like, SUV's not for sports, sport utility. It's for taking people to soccer. 100 people are like soccer's a fucking sport. I still don't think it makes sense, but we don't have to get into it. All right.

Next up here. We're getting email from Sam. Sammy. I recently found out a fact about World War I that obviously made me think of the Ringer Fantasy Football Podcast. Love it. Nice. During the war, World War I, a British naval intelligence officer pioneered the use of

semen as invisible ink. God damn it. Like the fluid that comes from your body. Not someone in the Navy. Not sea spacemen. Not the people in the Navy. Yeah, come. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Just say that next time.

Pioneer's use of come. So. I knew that's what he was talking about. I think everyone knew, but you know. But this. But this email is actually... Naval intelligence officer, and he's talking about seaman. It's not just any naval intelligence officer.

This guy had a legendary career, was hunting German spies. He was the inspiration for M in the James Bond movies. He was the head of the Secret Intelligence Service. But I mentioned this, not because about the war or carry pigeons. It's about nominative determinism. Nominative determinism. Which, by the way, I got both of those words wrong. Yeah, I know.

You said nominative determination, I think. God damn it. I said nomative determination. But your name determines your life. Good start. But the point is, the guy who started using come as secret ink. Because he black light, his name was Captain Sir Mansfield coming. Wow.

Maybe the best example of it. His name was Man coming. Mansfield coming. He was like, guys, I got an idea. Craig. I thought this was fake. It was Man's Coming. How was that not the punchline?

I thought this was fake, and it's actually like intensely real. Mansfield coming, like literally in World War I was like, hey, guys, this is a great evisible ink. And they used it. I hate to ask this question. But when did the term? come popularize. So I also had this thought of like,

is Mansfield coming the reason for we use? And apparently the word the come is like 500 years old. Oh, really? Which I was surprised by. It, like coming referred to orgasms, like even in the 1500s, they think. The 1500s?

Yes, they believe that it started in England as like. And this guy's name is coming. Think about how many generations that had to survive Well, they seem to be the most zero I guess that actually does make sense It's like survival of the fittest No wonder they gave that name This guy's prolific

Oh my god Wait, but I still don't Why that word? I don't get it Oh, it started from come off Oh Which I think means something different Like get off slang

I can't I don't know Man's coming Sorry It's right there We got to bring back Mansfield No one's name There's people named Guy

We can people named man All right So I got God Damn it. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you to Carly and Chase

for making our, those freaking songs. Hell yeah. My God. Also, Kai wants me to mention that Chase is from Arlington, Texas, which is not basically Dallas. Thank you to Sam for this incredible. Thank you to Mansell coming for helping win the war.

Thank you for doing your part. I hope you were honored as much as Voitek the bear in World War II. All right. Thank you, Lorne. Lauren. Thank you, Noddy, by nature. Don't know that one. What?

I don't know. Oh, wait. Do they do a... Hipop hooray. Oh, OPP, right? Yeah, I think so. Yes. OPP's a great song.

Feel me flow? Do I know that? You would recognize it. Here, I'll play it. Ready? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I noticed.

One of the all-time great intros. That is VCR era, though. Yeah, they're like from like the 80s, or the 90s, I should say. When did VCRs get invented? Good question. Late 70s? Look it up. Probably late 70s, early 80s.

Invented in the 50s. I don't know when it became widely popular. When did people have them in their homes? Sony first unveiled the product in 1969. So probably a while. 69? Oh, I was way off. Well, no.

You said the 70s. Yeah, I said the late 70s. Oh, okay. But. The Grants tapped out. Even I wasn't alive then, guys. I'm now realizing I'm like, wait, VCR and VHS. What is?

Video cassette recorder? VHS goes in a VCR, right? Yeah. VHS is the tape. The tape and it goes in a VCR. You know what's fucked up? He's like kids are going to talk to us about stuff, Craig. Oh my God.

You know what's, unfortunately, like really good example? Is did you see that the cop who pulled over and like arrested Justin Timberlake for or Justin Timberlake was in the Hamptons, and I guess he got a DUI or something. The cop was so young, he didn't know who Justin Timberlick was. No way. Yeah, the cop was very young.

Get out a little. Isn't that like, I'm not going to lie, that. I feel like we, that is the decide, like that is the line now of like, wow, we're in a new generation. Justin Timberlake is one of the most ubiquitous celebrities. I feel like the entire generation. He's like still around.

How could you not know who Justin Timberlake is? He's like 40. that's kind of terrifying I'm saying I'm like wow we are officially in a new era wow that's wild when was last time we put out an album oh this year apparently

didn't do well yeah I mean I was not aware of that but he's really fallen out of public favor there's been no scandal or anything he just like everybody just kind of hates him now Timberlake? Yeah like the young

the kids just woke up one day and we're like this guy's lame God, that's tough. They chose violence. Also, wait, Justin Timberlake apparently said under his breath during the arrest, he said, this is going to ruin the tour. And the cop replied, what tour? And Justin said, the world tour. Yikes.

Which ironically, it'll probably help the world tour because everyone forgot about Justin Timberl's World Tour. Which Justin Timberlake has a famous song. Can't stop the feeling. A banger. Troll's song. Goodbye, everyone. Must be 21 plus and present in select states.

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