The Ringer NFL Show - 10 Players You Should Reach for in Fantasy Drafts. Plus, Cooper Kupp Injury Reactions.

Episode Date: September 1, 2023

Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck open by discussing the news that Rams wide receiver Cooper Kupp suffered a setback with his hamstring injury and how it impacts his average draft position (3:45). Next, they highlight 10 of their favorite players worth reaching for in fantasy drafts this year and make arguments for why it’s OK to select these guys a few picks earlier than their ADP (13:44). Finally, the guys close with Fantasy Court and emails (53:05). Check out our 2023 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle, Dolphins WRs (13:44) Christian McCaffrey, 49ers RB (18:15) Nick Chubb, Browns RB (23:45) Jalen Hurts, Eagles QB (28:48) A.J. Brown, Eagles WR (32:43) Anthony Richardson, Colts QB (37:40) Calvin Ridley, Jaguars WR (42:29) Tony Pollard, Cowboys RB (47:35) CeeDee Lamb, Cowboys WR (51:15) Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens Producer: Kai Grady Audio intern: Jack Sanders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Subscribe to the Ringer NFL. show on Spotify or wherever you get your podcast. And be sure to follow the Ringer NFL on Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter at Ringer NFL. Football show, my name is Danny Hifitz. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Coralbeck. And today we are talking about the players you should reach for in your 2023 fantasy football drafts. These are the FOMO guys.

You see them on other, your draft ends and you look at your friends' teams and you're like, oh my God, how did freaking Jeff get A.J. Brown 21st overall? It's absolutely ridiculous. Jeff. Jeff. Yeah, these are the guys that when you see them go off on the little ticker where you're drafting, it just, it really hurts. It cuts you deep. These are the guys like that.

DK., when did the term FOMO come around? Are you too old for that? No. I mean, I think that was around back back in the day. You learned that you were an adult when you use that, though, right? Like you learned fear of missing out as an adult with a job. I thought FOMO was a new thing. I'm going to say the mid-aughts is when that was created.

We should Google that. What about YOLO? Yolo was new, right? That was Drake. Drake made Yolo. Most songs are, we can't do this at the beginning. We have to do this at the end. We'll talk about circle back.

Guy, remind us to circle back. All right. If you want rankings, huge draft weekend, we'll talk about Yolo later. Fantasyf Football. Dot the ringer.com. We have our rankings. We have our draft tracker. Click on the little positions.

You can see our tiers, not just our rankings, help you make some decisions. Fantasyfewport. Dotterrenner.com, but obviously, rankings, you know what? They could, I mean, our rankings are perfect. Everyone else's are pretty deeply flawed. But our rankings are perfect. However, even within that, there's still a bunch of players. And I know everyone's doing their rankings.

We have a bunch of sleeper episodes the last couple weeks that you can check out. And today we wanted to just talk about there's certain players. You look at other people's teams. They're like, oh, my God. And we want to talk about those guys. And you know what the truth is? Even though our rankings are perfect. Sometimes if you want a guy, just take the freaking guy.

Don't overthink that he's four spots like of a reach. It's like, just take the guy. And we're going to talk about the guys that we're reaching for. So, D.K., you're the oldest by a lot. So unless Craig wants to interject here. All I was going to say is that, don't you guys think, the reason why some guys are ranked lower and yet we're saying we would reach for them

is because we almost have like a fiduciary responsibility to rank guys where it's like practically sensible like a guy like a Calvin Ridley because he hasn't played football in a year and a half you just can't put him in the top 10 because the downside is apparent but that doesn't mean that we don't think you can reach for him in the second round and it not be a bad pick.

Yeah, exactly. I mean it's head versus heart. It's a head versus heart decision. Sometimes sticking with the rankings is just the right thing to do. It's the logical, rational thing to do. It's a 401k. And then sometimes you just want to put your whole savings on one guy.

And risk it all. And you should do that. That sounds, we are, if I say financial advisors, would it really get sued? Would we really get sued if I said that we're financial advisors and that's advice? I think, I think D.K. drafts with his head, high-fits drafts with his heart.

And I draft with something else. Okay. Okay. First up, we have some news and also a caveat. We actually recorded this small, part about Cooper Cup after the end of the episode, because once we ended the episode, Adam Schaefter reported that, and I quote, Sean McVeigh said, wide receiver Cooper Cup suffered a setback with his hamstring and is now is day to day. Craig actually

already left. Craig had to go do something. So it's just D.K. and I, and then the rest of the episode will have Craig. So it's kind of weird, but it is what it is. So, but everyone's drafted like in the next six days and we got a fair Cooper Cup. And this is kind of perfect because we have no information beyond what Schaefter said. Cooper Cup suffered broken ankle and a high ankle sprain. to end the year, had this tight rub surgery, came back, totally fine, high recovery rate. We're like, all right, cool, whatever, great. Then he has his hamstring injury, early in training camp. We're like, oh, they say he'll be back for the Raiders joint practices.

Everybody, all right, cool. Well, it came back, has the stuff setback. Now, we have no information behind this one chef or tweet. And, DK, we're going to play a game. How low can you go? We're going to play limbo of like, if you had to draft your team tonight, and this is all the information you had, when would you take Cooper Cup? We haven't placed fifth right now.

Obviously, that's not going to hold. And I think we talk about them later in the episode. So keep in mind, this happened for us. So we have Justin Jefferson first, McCaffrey's second, Jamar Chase, Austin, Anthony Cooper Cup. I wouldn't take him in the first round. Like, there's no chance. Like, I think we can just drop them all the way below like, I mean, Tyree Kill,

Stefan Diggs, Devante Adams, no way, right? Right. I'm looking at like the tier that has C.D. Lam, Garrett Wilson, Jalen Waddle area right now, I think. It's just basically, if he's playing, he has potential to be the number one overall receiver. Like that's what he's done. That's, you know, for two straight years, basically, he's, he's been producing at that level when he's on the field. But now there's so much uncertainty about this.

It does make it very scary to take him in the first round. We just had a conversation about Jalen Waddle in this episode, which now, we already listened to it, but people listening now will hear it in a second. Would you take Cooper Cup over Jalen Watt? He has his own abdominal issue, but I think he's going to play. Would you take Cooper Cup over Jailen Wadle right now? Because I would not. Or I'd take Garrett, I'd take Garrett-Wilson over Cooper Cup. I would take Harts.

I would take Olave. I would take D.K. Like, I actually would drop Cooper Cup a lot, and here's why. I don't know. It's not just the beginning of the season. It's, this is the issue I've had with Cooper Cup, and this has been in the back of my mind, it's like, I am not convinced the Rams want to win. Like, the Rams are not having a very serious plan.

They had 40 rookies in their 90-man roster. Their defense is basically Aaron Donald and, like, flots them at defense. It's like all these players. Like, their first and second depth chart is, like, indistinguishable almost. This is not a team you can convince to me if they're under 500. by Halloween is going to try very hard in December. Like, I think they're going to tank and try to get Caleb Williams. Cooper Cup's odds of being shut down at the end of the year.

We're already kind of high with a fake injury. Now he's got an injury to start the year. And I'm like, I don't know. I think I'd have to get all the way past like T. Higgins to take Cooper Cup. I'm not that far down. I can't go that far down. I think right after the Jalen Waddle tier, so like I would still rank him probably as our wide receiver 12.

I just still look, when I'm looking at like Chris Olave, I don't know if I see a guy who, can have literally wide receiver one overall value when he's playing. And that's like what the deal, what you're getting with Cooper Cup. And they're calling it day to day right now, which of course, we can't really trust anything we know right now. But I'm still making a leap of faith. Cooper Cup still is going to have incredible volume when he's on the field.

And so I'm not as scared as you are. I understand where you're coming from. But I don't know, man. I'm still, the upside is still so tantalizing. I'm still worth. I'm still taking a lot of it. We have OLAVE 22nd, D.K.K. McHF. I know for a fact, you like D.K. McCaff more. Would you take Cooper Cup or Dick McCaff? They're both on the board. Came back in the third round. Yeah, Cooper Cup. Really? Sticking with it. Here's my problem with the hand. Here's my problem. I'm stealing this rule from Greg Rosenthal, which I think is a very good template to look at injuries. When guys missed time in the beginning of the season training camp because they're rehabbing the injury they had. That's fine. Like, it's part of the plan that they were set. ACLs are a little different, but whatever, it's part of the thing. When guys who had injuries pick up, up different injuries, that's bad. We always talk, we're literally been talking all offseason

with Breece Hall and Giovante Williams, increased risk for compensatory injuries. It's like the actual injury doesn't go wrong, but your body as it heals, other things happen in the same leg, the different leg, you start moving differently, other things happen. So that's check, like strike one is that he has this hamstring injury coming off. Strike two is he aggravated it. This is why Keenan Allen missed 11 weeks. And you know what I mean? Keenan Allen missed 11 weeks or 10 because he had this hamstring and try to come back too soon. Now the problem is, how soon does Cooper Cup come back

when you've already aggravated once? They have to be cautious now. I don't know. Realistically, you don't have to be faster than the bear, just faster than your slowest friend. I guess the answer is if you have to get to, like, which I feel like you wouldn't take Garrett Wilson, you would take Garrett Wilson over Cooper Cup, right?

I think that to me, that little tier right there, like I said, Garrett Wilson, Jalen Waddle. I'm taking those guys, Cedley Lamb. The next tier down or whatever, and at least in my mind, Olave Metcalfe, DeVante Smith. These are number two receivers. Well, Elave is borderline number one now.

But to me, I'm still chasing the league winning upside that Cooper Cup brings, even if he's going to miss a couple games. So that's kind of how I see it. But if he just doesn't play for the first five weeks of the season, aren't you going to tear your hair out? Yes. But this is like, this is fantasy football. This is what we do with almost every player.

They have the potential to get hurt and miss games. I don't think your first two rounds. But I know, but like we can't pretend his odds of missing games are the same as everyone else's odds of missing games right now. I'm sticking with my answer. This is, by the way, Cooper Cup, Stefania Bell from ESPN does a great job with injury analysis

and she was talking about Cooper Cups, borderline, obsessive, maniacal dedication to rehab and everything. And that is another reason. I'm like, more confident that he's not going to be out 11 weeks. I know, but he had a setback.

I know. Well, that's what I'm saying. I think he's going to have the right plan to get back on the field. All right. Well, I think where we agree is... We don't agree on anything. Well, we agree on the top 20 picks.

on our rankings of fantasyf football.3.com. We call it 21st. And we'll wait, Craig in and we'll update our ratings. I mean, by the way, if we find out it's much worse after we've finished this recording, like I will backtrack on my statement. But right now, the fact we're hearing about it is bad. They're calling it's Cooper Cup.

He's one of the top players in fantasy. Of course we're hearing about it. Understand that, but I'm just, I guess just reading the tea leaves. Week one is in the Rams don't play for 10 days. We're hearing about it. I'm going to go out on a limb and think that the reason we're hearing about it is that, well, But if it's longer than week one, you know what I mean?

Like, is it really day to day? Because if we're hearing about it, 10 days out, it sounds to me like week to week. Okay, let's get to the rest of the show we recorded. I want to mention Jeff Wilson, Jr., who, I mean, we have been like, oh, maybe he's starting running back. Not so much. He's on injured reserve. So you know what?

Life comes at you fast. So Jeff Wilson will not be the starting running back for the Miami Dolphins at week one. And I think the question is, and we have to update our rankings right after we have this conversation. Where do we rank Rahim Mosert? And relatedly, Devon A chain. A-Chain is going to, Mike McDaniel says, head coach the Dolphins says, A-Chan, the fastest kid who's ever been alive will return to practice next week before

week one. And it's weird because now Rahim Moster, it seems like pretty obviously the most complete running back to be of that team. So in one hand, he'll get the bulk of the work on one of the best offenses in the NFL. However, he's literally the oldest starting running back. He's 31. I think Derek Henry's next at like 29. And he's, has Rahim Moster played 10 games in a row healthy?

I don't think he ever has. So where would you guys put Rahim Moster, DK? Yeah. Well, I put him pretty high. I got him at number 90 or number 89 or so on our rankings. He did play 16 games last year. You know, I think he's one of those guys that tends to be banged up a lot. But he did end up playing a full season.

He had over a thousand scrimmage yards. He averaged over 13 touches per game. So I think quietly he was pretty effective and, you know, pretty consistent throughout the whole year. And I think he's going to end up being their number one guy this year. I still think Devon A-Chain has a chance to come in and, you know, be a change of pace guy. And it's funny saying that because they're both like two of the fastest players in the NFL. But just pass you to the Italians. That's the Dolphins offense.

Just give it fast people. Everyone in this offense is so fast. They also have Svon Ahmed, who is like a 4-3 guy out there. And so, yeah, this, you know, the dolphins are all about that hot, nasty, badass speed. And Bresor Muster has it. Eleanor Roosevelt, RIP. Where would you take Devon H. D-K. Devon A-N-H-N, I feel like, was

every year you have a running back that you were rationally loved. Last year was David Pierce, this year was A-Chain. If you're talking about drafting with your heart, A-Chane is the guy I draft with my heart. You know, I've got it, right now, I've got him in the 1-30s. I still think, you know, based on what happened in the preseason, he barely played, he barely played

with the starters in the pre-season. He was like a fifth-string guy in the pre-season. So that's a little bit worrisome. They're easing him in. They're making him earn his role. It feels like, you know, they've got more experienced guys like Rahim Moster, Svonne Ahmed, in front of But with these injuries with Jeff Wilson getting injured and they release Matt Miles Gaskin, I think A-Chain has quickly moved up the ladder and really could have a role here.

And so I'm still betting on his talent. I think he's one of the most electric running backs, you know, in this draft class, certainly. And he runs like a 4-3. He's a big-time track star. You know, he ran the same 100-meter time as Tyree Kill. So he is very, very fast, put it that way. And so I'm still very excited about what he can do. But I just don't think he's going to be a big part of the offense at the very beginning of the year.

it might like, he might work his way into the offense as we go on. So is he a $1 guy to you? Is he worth drafting at all? At the end of your draft are not really. One or two. One or two. I mean, it depends on how strongly you feel about it if you really believe me, $2.

But yeah, you can probably get him for $1. Would you go to three? Four? No. Then you're pushing it. I, again, I once again, just love Mike McDaniel, NFL genius. Just you know what? Just get the fastest people in the NFL go from there.

Just like incredible strategy. All right. Let's get to players you should reach for. Actually, while we're on the Dolphins. Tyree Killawaddle. Craig, you were waxing poetic about the dolphins. I mean, the past of the Italians, for people who don't know what that reference is,

kicking and screaming, the Will Ferrell movie, where he's a soccer coach for like 11-year-olds, and they get these two kids from Italy who are incredible, and the entire offense is just getting them the ball by any means necessary. And that's essentially what the Dolphins do to Tyree Kil and Jalen Waddle. And it's a fantastic strategy. It works like a charm. Two only played nine games last year.

When he was on the field, they were one of the best offenses in the league. And I think they're the single most terrifying wide receiver duo to face in fantasy football. When you see Jalen Waddle lining up on the other side of that roster, when you're staring at Yahoo, you're like, man, this is going to be a disaster. I mean, it's probably like a 50% chance Tyree Kill is going to finish as a top five receiver. If you look at him last year, he had six top five finishes in fantasy football. And Tua only started nine games. And Tyree Kill was a top five wide receiver in six of them.

And one of them was actually with Skyler Thompson. But both Waddell and Tyreek are rocket ships. And I honestly don't think there is a price or a round that is too early. I think Tyree Kill, he said, actually, that he thinks he wants 2,000 receiving yards this season. And actually that's going to happen. I mean, he would have if Tuah was healthy, yeah. Tyree Kill, there are two stats with Tyree Kill that blow my mind. Last season, I think he had six different games with over 140 yards.

So it's, I mean, approaching on half, like, that's a third of the season encroaching on half. And again, that's like with a Skyler Thompson and a quarter of the games. The other one, Tyree Kill, just straight up the best yards per route run metric of the decade, depending on how you look at. I think ESPN keeps slightly different track of it than pro football focus. But Bill Barnwell had Tyree Kil peg that literally the best yards per route run in a decade. And it's, he's the best receiver in the NFL. Mike Lombardi has been on this.

Like, it's true. he's the most if there was a metric for how scared defenses are of a certain player he would definitely come out of top because you have to quite literally tilt the defense in his direction and you have a guy over the top of him at all times

basically just a rover who's like worrying about where he's going to be on the field at any time because he is faster than everybody on the field cornerbacks cornerbacks are the best athletes on the football field like in terms of speed and twitchiness they're the cheetah you know and that's ironically because that's actually Tyree Kill's nickname.

But Tyree Kill is faster than all these guys. He's faster than every corner in the NFL, which is really saying something. And so, yeah, I mean, he's just obviously really fun to watch, but very dangerous. You know, as a receiver, anywhere he lines up, he can take a ball from the backfield and, like, make hay from there. And that also, again, as Craig was mentioning, it really opens up things for Jalen Waddle, who last year was not only targeted very deep down the field relative to where he was targeted as a rookie, but he got, he was starting a deep, and he averaged a lot of yards after the catch. So it was like this double whammy where, you know, he's creating explosive plays even after he's

getting a deep pass. And so, I don't know, this, this Dolphins offense is truly pretty unique. I think maybe in the history of the NFL, one of the most unique offenses just based on the amount of speed they have. It reminds me the Golden State Warriors, honestly, Craig's, you know, shameless Homer. But if you think of, like, I know, Patrick Mahomes always gets compared to Steph Curry and, like, there's truth to that. But if you think about it just in terms of scoring from great distances,

like anytime they have the ball, it doesn't matter where they are, they can score. Like Steph Curry has range. Tyree Kill is range in terms of defense. Yeah. The same way Steph Curry crosses half court, you have to guard him. Tyree Kill with the ball behind the line of scrimmage and a screen is like,

panic, panic, panic, panic. Yeah. It just tilt the defense is true because it's gravity. Yeah. If you have like the eighth pick in your draft and you can get Tyreek one and Jalen Waddle two on the way back, I remember week two last year and I was going up against a guy who had both them. In week two against Baltimore, the dolphins won 42 to 38. And in that game, Jalen Waddle had 11

catches for 170 yards in two touchdowns. And Tyree Kill also had 11 catches for 190 yards and two touchdowns. And I remember being like, this is the most incredible one-to-one duo that I've ever seen in fantasy football. And then, you know, two weeks later, Tua got his first concussion. And then things kind of changed for the rest of the season. So that game, though, was an example of what the Dolphins offense could be. And yeah, the sky's the limit. So on that note, while we're talking about FOMO, and again, that's technically a reach on our rankings, but I agree with you Craig.

I have another guy that I have FOMO on that you can take whenever you want. Is Christian McAfrey for the 49ers? I feel like we actually have not talked about Christian McAfree enough. So before I say why I have FOMO for Christian McAfrey, you guys tell me, what is the argument against Christian McAfri this year? If I can summarize it, it's basically, well, there's injury history to him specifically and then he has this Patelor tendonitis that, you know, he's had to

sub out, you know, with Elijah Mitchell last year. He doesn't play as much as you think, allegedly. And then also just running backs for more likely to get injured, you know, Shanahan is, and then otherwise it's just like that's it basically, right? It's he's been injured and you're afraid of the injury and even if he's healthy, oh, you know,

he might rotate out a little. Like that's literally it, right? Well, is it rotate out a little or rotate out a lot? Right, right. That's the problem. I mean, him and Eli Mitchell split carries, essentially when they were both healthy. You know who plays 60 to 65% of snaps?

Austin Echler. And so here's my thing. I think I get that argument against Christian McCaffrey. I think we don't talk enough about the headline for Christian McCaffrey. I could argue that Christian McCaffrey and Kyle Shannon's 49ers offense is the best marriage of talent, scheme, and teammate skill since Randy Moss on the New England Patriots in 2007. And that we actually are completely missing the boat. on the fact that McCaffrey was fucking incredible on the Niners,

and it was in the middle of the season. The whole thing was jerry-rigged together to make, like, the first game he came and he threw a pass for a touchdown. Shannon's had the all-off season to figure out what to do. Like part of it was like, okay, but what if he is healthy for 17 games? It does play 75% of the snaps, which is more than Eckler plays. I'm like, are we kind of breaking Ledani and Tomlinson's touchdown record is like in the range of outcomes here.

I'm not saying that's likely, but like, that is the 100th percentile outcome here. Like, there are not many players this is possible. If McAfrey is healthy in himself, this could be one of the five best seasons of the, basically of like the last 15 years for running back. It could be like, it could be the best season of McCaffrey's career. I'm like, I don't know. It's, to me, I keep looking at him like, if he does this and I passed on him to take Jamar Chase, I'm going to leap off a bridge.

I think the other thing that we've kind of buried the lead is like, Elijah Mitchell has been hurt for most of trading camp. So I go both ways with it in terms of what you're talking about. High Fitz. Like I think the idea of scared money don't make money is very prevalent here. He could be absolutely, he could absolutely go nuclear. You can't necessarily worry about, you know, what percentage of snaps is he going to play with Elijah Mitchell?

I do think it's important. It's not like irrelevant. But Christian McAfre is so good and he's so versatile as a pass catcher that it's just worth risking it with him. And I think the other thing. What are we at 35 out of his last 40 games? sees 100 yards from scrimmage or a touchdown. Exactly.

The other thing I will say is, I think it's funny that these are the first two players we talked about Tyree Kill and Christian McCaffrey because I think truly these are two of the most unique offenses in NFL history. I would just put this 49ers team up there as one of the most talented skill player groups ever assembled. You got Kittle, McCaffrey, Debo, Brandon Ayuk, and I'm probably missing a few other guys. They have a ton of purdy. Skill players, skill players.

The greatest athletes of our lifetime. Tommy Purdy. Oh, I thought we were listening to Hall of Fame quarterbacks. Sorry. Does quarterbacks count as a skill player? I don't really know. Do you think Messi is going to meet Brock Purdy at some point this year and just be like, oh my God, I'm so nervous.

Who'd you rather have Messi or Brock Purdy? They'll do a Jersey exchange. I'm not sure which we'll go for more on eBay. That random bar owner we met is going to be like, I'd rather have Brock Purdy at center mid than Messi. We have started getting tagged in every tweet on Twitter now about guys just absolutely talking about how they'd rather have. Rock Ferdney than like Justin Herbert and whoever like 49er fans are so purdy pill

it's insane. Hey, Herbert's never won a playoff game, you know? Dude, I, no, but I think I think that's actually an amazing point that we don't talk about enough, but you're right. But it's the dolphins, we're joking, but not really. It's kind of a mix of acquiring. They're just like, acquire the 1% of the 1% of athletes on Earth. And the dolphins are like speed.

Like just acquire the fastest people on Earth. Get those people the ball. The Eagles, again, they're passing the Italians too. Aegee Brown and Devonter passed the Italians. And then the Niners are like, okay, just who are the best athletes on earth at running with the ball in their hands, mix of speed and explosiveness? It's like Debo and Kittle can run through anyone. Brinna, you can jump over anyone.

Cool, you're on the team. Figure it out later. And that's true. It's like Debo, like they learn to play later. So everybody on their roster is like the best run after the catch player in college football at some point. You know what I mean? Like every single one of these players on their team has held that title.

at some point. So, yeah. It's, you know, we have, so again, shameless plug, fantasy football dot the ringer.com. We have Christian McCaffrey McAfee, which, you know, it's not crazy.

Justin Jefferson's amazing. And we have Tyree Kill all the way down at six. To tell you the truth, I kind of wish we had them at Fourth over Echler and Cooper Cup because I look at Tyree Kill as really like a 1900-yard receiver,

maybe a 2000-year receiver. And I do look at McCaffrey, I think you can have 25 touchdowns so it wouldn't be insane. Yeah, the bottom line with both these guys, truly is no ceiling, no ceiling at all. So on that, no, TK, who's your FOMO guy?

Who's the guy that you're looking at, you know, other people? And you're like, why didn't I reach for that guy? Yeah. So when I see someone take Nick Chubb in the first round, I'm just like, oh, like it's a knife in the back, you know, it just hurts. Because I think this is the year where he can truly, truly, truly. And again, we were talking about guys with no ceiling. Nick Chub has no ceiling in what we think this offense can be. The ceiling is the roof for Chub this year.

Oh, we should have named the episode that. Um, this is a man who I believe he finished as the wide, or the running back five last year. And that was with, you know, sharing the load a lot. He played 56% of snaps. And he's finished as the RB5. Like if he plays 75% of snaps, I don't know if he's going to do that, but if he even plays 65, like he could truly be the number one running back, you know, by a long shot just because he's number one that good. And number two, I think they're going to continue to utilize him more as a past catcher in this offense. everything we've heard from training camp is this is going to be a little bit more uptempo offense, a little bit more pass heavy, spread out. Nick Chubb is honestly maybe the most talented runner in the NFL,

and that's finally going to mesh with usage and utilization this year. And I think he has the potential to just absolutely destroy and win people their leagues. Chubb has managed, Chubb has accomplished a rare feat in fantasy football war. I think Chubb started as boring and is now sexy. It's rare to go from boring to sexy It almost always goes the other way around He had glassed Ponytailed

He let the hair down Let the ponytail out And everyone's like, wait a minute Not only are you the best running back Slow motion? Yeah Yeah Yeah he's the guy that

I think for the longest time Everyone was like yeah he's good But you know He wasn't catching passes You know And that was a big problem And I think it's been overseed So the Cleveland Browns didn't win a game

In a whole season Like not that long ago Yeah, that's true. The other thing about Chubb is he's going to get volume no matter what because, you know, whether they're going to go more uptemper or whatever. But like, again, they're playing in Cleveland. Think about how many terrible weather games there have been in Cleveland over the years. For whatever reason, this team always just gets the hurricane games.

And so they're just going to feed him in those games too. So there's a little bit of, you know, just consistency there with him that I like to. Here's my thing with Chub. If you just deleted pass catching from the NFL and you're like, who's the best running back. It's probably Nick Chub. And everyone who works in the NFL would be like Nick Chub.

He's the teach tape, as they say. And it's the thing about Nick Chub, two things. One, just statistically, it's like advanced stats. Everything you want, total, per carry, everything you want. It's like he blows everyone out of the freaking water. First down's over expectation. Like, he's incredible. Here's the other thing.

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I saw this headline and I was like oh my God and it's Brown's running back Nick Chubb quote playing for late Jim Brown this season like he's dedicating the entire season to Jim Brown who passed away and is maybe the best running back ever in NFL history. And I'm like, you know what? That's the kind of thing that Nick Chubb runs for 2,000 yards. You're like, you know what? I saw it. Legacy.

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All right, Craig, who's your next FOMO guy? Even though he's the number one quarterback off the board or the number two quarterback off the board, every time somebody drafts Jalen Hertz, I'm just like, man, that should have been me. I should have spent the extra five bucks. I should have been me in the third round, not the fourth. Jalen Hertz was the running back 28 last year, just based on running. If you just took his running stats, he was the 28th best running back in fantasy football. And he also throws the football too, which is pretty cool.

He was the number one quarterback in points per game. And I don't see this Eagles team slowing down. I also just think Jalen Hertz is really cool. And he's just like an awesome story. And the Eagles are a really fun team. And I don't know if there's like Mahomes and Allen fatigue. but Hertz is like the new sexy fun fantasy quarterback right now and it also feels like he hasn't reached his ceiling

unlike Mahomes and Allen which is kind of crazy considering Hertz was the number one quarterback of fantasy last year and yet he barely played in the fourth quarter because the Eagles were blowing everybody out. So it really does feel like Jalen Hertz has a 30 points a game season in him. You know what else is, you know, I haven't even thought about and we probably also don't talk about enough.

Jalen Hertz's teammates are out of control incredible, maybe the best at the position at every single spot on the offense. In Buffalo, it's the fun takes is great. He's Defundakes. And after him, it's like Gabe Davis is there, Dalton Kincaid. The offensive line's all right. Kansas City, it's Kelsey. The offensive line, they have good pieces.

And everyone after Kelsey in receiving, they're like, whatever, the running backs or whatever. And in Philadelphia, A.G. Brown and Devante Smith might be the best duo at receiver in the entire NFL, or at least it's up there. And then Dallas Goddard is cracking maybe a top five time. But the offensive line is like the best offensive line is like the best offensive line. line. And again, he only threw 460 passes last season. Like, we always say it's like, he had 100 dropbacks in the fourth quarter.

And we're like, Solac and Sheal on the Phillie Pyeke keeps saying the defense will be worse. It's like, the Eagles, Jalen Hertz just keeps getting 10% better, basically every season since he was a freshman in college in Alabama. Like, he's just added parts of his game that we didn't think.

His father's like a football coach. I don't know, there's always line at, Zach loaded a profile of Bam out of bio for the Miami Heat. That was incredible. And Bam had a joke. He told teams that was like, They were like, what are your hobbies? He's like, I play basketball, hang out with my mom and take shits. And I kind of think that's all Jalen Hertz does too.

Like he doesn't play video games. He just does football and hang out and take shits. Yeah. Famously, he's the first, this is such a cliche, but it's so true. Everything you hear about Eagles from Eagles campus, he's truly the first guy there and the last guy to leave. He is the hardest worker. Like, he puts every other quarterback to shame in terms of his work ethic and which

is why it's another reason like you want to root for him is because, and that's why he's improved every year is because he really puts in the work. And Craig, to build on what you were saying earlier about Jalen Hertz, I think the key with Hertz and some of these other rushing quarterbacks is having a guy like Hertz on your team is truly like having two players in one roster spot. That's the key here. He is a quarterback one just from passing. And he's a running back like two just on his running. It's like having two players in one roster spot. It's such a massive advantage over everybody else you're playing. You can truly have. have a pretty average to downright bad team.

And if you, this, this happened to me last year. I had Jalen Hertz on my team. The rest of my team didn't matter because he was just outscoring everybody by so much. And so, you know, I think he's the type of a player that can truly win you a league, as they say. And so, yeah, I love this guy. You know what he reminds me of? It's almost like the warriors to go back to basketball. When they won the 2015 championship against the cast and it was like, wow, Steph Curry MVP,

like pretty crazy. Like, probably won't do that again. Like, what a wild season for them. And then the next year, they were actually even better and went seven, three, and nine. And Steph Curry won another MVP and the team set records. That almost seems like what the Eagles did last year and what Jalen Hertz did last year. And could be, they could be the 2016 Warriors this year. Well, and now we're on what I'm talking about fomo guys, like the Eagles, like A.J. Brown, the receiver is my other fomo guy where and Devante Smith, too, to an extent where I'm like, again, we mentioned, there's a real thread here of what we're talking about where some of these legendary fantasy seasons are on offenses that were at the cutting edge.

like Randy Moss and Tom Brady are I think most people the closest anyone's ever come to going undefeated in a fantasy season or people who had Moss and Brady in 2007. That was a cutting edge offense. Like we talked about Todd Gurley. You know, that was an offense with Sean McVeigh. That was just absolutely incredible. And this Eagles offense, man, like what they're doing with Jalen Hertz, it's like they're combining these run concepts from a hundred years ago with RPO shit that Texas high schools are running and you put it together and you just get. And AJ Brown steps into it. And I'll never forget Stephen Ruiz.

We're at a bar. We're prepping for the Super Bowl. And Stevens, one of the sharpest centerful minds out there. And he's explaining to me, like, why AJ Brown is so hard. He's just like, it's LeBron James. AJ Brown is LeBron James. And it's, you know, not like literally the same, but the same premise of A.G. Brown is bigger and or faster than anyone is going to guard him.

And he's faster than every linebacker except like Fred Warner. And he just cuts to the middle of the field. and either he's bigger than the person trying to guard him. And if they do guard him, then he just cuts up. And then the person's not fast enough to cover him. And that's why A.J. Brown had led the NFL in targets and double moves in the entire league last year. And it's like he has the volume of someone who eats over the middle of the field in this Eagles offense. But he also, it's like has the deep volume.

Like when he caught it, no offense to Craig, but over the Steelers. When he caught it over three players, it was like one, two. And it was like his third touchdown of the day. He's just like both. He's like Keenan Allen and Will Fuller put together into one person. And I'm like, shit, man. Like, someone's getting A.G. Brown 20th. And I'm like, I can't believe that wasn't me.

I think this is the theme of this pod so far is unique teams in NFL history. I think, hyphids, I've told you about this before. But I think it's so interesting how the Eagles do a number of different things to get themselves like this edge over other teams that that is almost unique in the NFL. So for starters, obviously, Jalen Hertz, the way that they run their run game, they're basically adding another player on offense. They're adding another blocker because he's holding a guy on defense without having to block them because that's what happens when you run the read option.

That's not necessarily unique. But when you combine that with the tush push thing that they're doing, their conversion rate on third and fourth down was so like so outlier high. Is every team going to do that this year? Oh, 100%. Well, every team with the quarterback that can. I'm not a billionaire. So take this to the greatest salt.

obviously I have no idea to run a business. Yeah, not yet. If I owned an NFL team and my team did not try the tush push this year, I would literally call the coach of my office and make him explain it. And I, like, I actually cannot fathom if your quarterback, like, unless, but even Tom Brady was 45 years old, they'll do it. Like, I don't understand why every quarterback, I don't know. It's such a massive advantage.

The way, and they do it really well. They're setting, you know, they're on the cutting edge of it. They have the best quarterback for it, honestly. because he's like a running back. And he can squat like Nick Chub. And he's small and the offensive or the defensive line can't see him or whatever. But the, so like to put it all together, they're not only adding essentially an extra player on offense because they do this redoption thing. But they're basically giving themselves an extra down that most teams don't have.

It's this huge advantage because they're converting so many fourth downs. They can essentially treat third down like second down because they know that if we get close, we'll be able to just convert it on fourth down with a really high rate. And so they play, they're playing a different game than anybody else because they can do that. They're combining the passing elements of, you know, pass rate and stuff. Michael Lombardi always said you want to play Canadian football. Like you don't want to wait to third down to get the third down. You want to skip third down and try to get the first down conversion on first or second down.

But they combine that with, it's like Canadian football if you had four downs. You know, because in Canadian football, you have to punt on third down. There's no fourth. So it's like. Didn't know that. Yeah. So Canadian football, there's only three downs. So there's more passing.

And so the idea is you play Canadian football, like play as if you only had two downs. That's the idea. And then third is if you failed. The Eagles have that mentality, but they use all four downs. They don't. Right, right. Like they really get to try it twice. Like they first, second, third and fourth, screw it.

So I think, yeah, the button is all up. I think you're right, D.K., where the dolphins and the Eagles concentrate all their passing work to their best players. And that's what makes it so intoxicating. And my thing with McCaffrey is, if the Niners run their offense through him, you know, we don't feel that way about Debo or Kittle because that way, but I don't know. These guys are all like legendary A.G. Brown. All these guys to me, again, there's no ceiling is the roof. Shout out Michael Jordan.

D.K. Any other FOMO guys, maybe on somewhat less legendary offenses. Yeah, so this is something that actually happened to me in a draft the other day. I ended up reaching and taking Anthony Richardson about two rounds before he was essentially supposed to go off the board because with Anthony Richardson, I feel like, like the ADP or the average draft position is way, it's just all over the place. You don't exactly know.

We've been hyping on bump a lot. So there's like, if you're playing with people that listen to our show, you don't know exactly how high he's going to go. So I just, I basically said F it and I just took him way too early. And the AI grader on Yahoo gave me a really terrible grade, by the way.

It's really mean. But, you know, because I reached so far on him. But at the same time, I felt really good about it. Like, I want to have this guy on my team.

This is the type of player. And for all the same reasons, as we were talking about Jalen Hertz and the way that he can be essentially two players in one roster spot, if he's running a lot, there's a very strong chance he's going to be a top five quarterback in fantasy, period. And if you get the cherry on top where he actually throws some touchdowns, like Lamar Jackson in 2019 led the NFL and touchdowns and rushed for a thousand yards, if you had him on your team, you probably won your league.

And so I'm just willing to risk it a little bit and reach for this guy a couple of rounds to earlier. Ideally, it's like a round to early so you don't have to like really. so you don't have to like really do it that hard. But I want him on my team because I think he possesses that potential upside. I've been impressed by seeing in the preseason. And I really think truly, he is the most athletic quarterback of all time. He's six foot four, two hundred and thirty five pounds.

He's the most athletic quarterback of all time. Did he break every record at the combine? Yeah. I mean, he's he's ludicrously athletic, very fast, very powerful, explosive. And, you know, especially for his size. But I mean, he's, he has it all in terms of, uh, the size. the ability to break tackles. When he's scrambling around,

he's stiff-arming guys. Imagine taking him on as a corner when this guy who's 240 pounds is running at you. On that note, I will never forget. Giants fans will remember this and Panthers fans do.

There was a, the Giants played very early in Cam Newton's career. I think the Giants played Cam Newton with the Panthers in week one or two. And the first play of the game, Cam Newton came out and was lined up as a wide receiver

when they ran the Wildcat with Cam Newton's a receiver. and Cam Newton lined up against, I think it was the Giants like first round pick a cornerback. And Cam Newton panicked him. And I will never forget. I literally, the rest of Cam Newton's career to me was defined by

Cam Newton looked like a senior in high school blocking an eighth grader. Cam Newton was so much bigger than this freaking cornerback that I remember being like, oh my God, the game has changed. And that Anthony Richardson does have those vibes and you watch him. He's not quite as big as Cam, but all these like five,

like the Washington just. for Emmanuel Forbes. He's $5.9.170. Yeah. He's tall, but he's just really skinny. Dude, I, good luck. Do you guys think that a team will ever deploy a quarterback as a blocker? Like, do you think, like, in an important play,

they would ever, like, direct snap to a running back to Rashad Penny and then have Jalen Hertz actually go and be an extra blocker? Or no, it's too risky from an injury standpoint. If it's Tayson Hill, if it's, frankly, if it's a backup, If it's a backup that you don't care about, if it's someone that's signed to a quarter billion dollars, like Jalen Hertz, who basically is a Faberjeet egg,

I would say if the Super Bowl's on the line, but that's about it. The only thing I can think of, Craig, to answer that is sometimes on these read option plays, you'll see the quarterback will give it, and then he'll do his little run, but then the running back will cut it back towards where the quarterback is going.

And so the quarterback will be kind of blocking downfield running in front of the running back. In that sense, like, he is kind of blocking, but, like, they're not going to ask him to, like, take on a linebacker. They just, like, get in the way. Exactly. Like, you're just like, ah, I'm just here, man. I'm just hanging out.

You can't go through me. But, yeah, that's the type of blocking you're doing. It's like, you know how you use, like, the ref and flag football to, like, get in the way of you and the cornerback? Like, that's what they do with the quarterback. Exactly. So to button this up here, Anthony Richardson, particularly on ESPN, he's, I think he's going 121st or 123rd in the ESPN's rankings.

And I mean, we have Anthony Richardson higher because of DK's love. We have him 103rd. I think it's exactly what you have. I'm, honestly, if you want to reach around early to get him, like, I get it. That's fine. Like, Zeke Elliott's there. You know, it's going to be more fun to watch play football than Zeke Elliott, Anthony Richardson.

A little bit. These other guys just contextualize these conversations. Christian McCaffrey, I love him. You can take him first overall if you want. Tyree Kill, I'd say Justin Jefferson's off the board. You can take him second if you want. wanted. That's not like in that.

I don't think that's crazy. Jalen Waddle. Craig, you mentioned what, 12th or 14th? He used the highest to go on Waddle if you really want it. I think that's high, but like I get it.

Yeah, I mean, again, just go back and look at what they were doing when the team was right. And you would draft him in the second round. Another receiver I wanted to talk about was Calvin Ridley on the Jaguars who I think is the latest wide receiver going in drafts that I wouldn't be surprised if he finished as the number one overall wide receiver in baseball.

Just straight up. I mean, he's going around 40th in drafts. And this dude was a top five. receiver in 2020. He has not been injured. He's 29 years old. He's had a year and a half not playing, but he looks fantastic in preseason. He's feeling good. All the reports are fantastic. And I'm like, I get that you have to temper expectations. You have to rank him where you're ranking him now. But if he's just a top five-wide receiver to start the season, I don't think anybody's surprised.

Yeah. I mean, I watched the preseason, like I watched all the preseason like a sicko pretty much, other than maybe the fourth quarter of games. And he was, I would say, one of the most impressive players just flat out. Like he looked really, really good, really fast, really sudden. He was getting open. He was making very impressive catches. And most importantly, I think he was, he already has a very strong connection with Trevor Lawrence.

Trevor Lawrence, I want to say he had like a 30% target rate when he was on the field to Calvin Ridley. If that carries over to the NFL season, Craig, like you said, he could end up being the number one receiver if he can say healthy because 30% is like, that's elite. And so I don't know. the other thing is he's rocking number zero now. I don't know why, but this makes me love him even more. It looks so cool.

He just has a legitimate shot. How often can you say a wide receiver going 40th in drafts? Like has a legitimate realistic shot to be the best receiver in fantasy football. And even if it's not necessarily the best, top five is also extremely in play. Like I think I will admit, I think if I did make a mistake on Calvin Ridley this year, I think the mistake I made was assuming the time off. spent was negative. And I think what I didn't spend enough time thinking about with Calvin Ridley is that

the sample of players who missed that much time are all hurt. And obviously we knew Calvin really wasn't hurt. But the thing or honestly, they're old and they get suspended for performance enhancing drugs and they come back in whatever sport. What I didn't think enough about was Jamar Chase and Ray Sean Slater, the Skipping their final year. Yeah. Who skipped the final year at college.

Roger Sherman, shout out Roger Sherman, who just left the ringer to do a frickin' road trip visiting every college football stadium in America, basically. Shout out Roger. Awesome. Roger Sherman had this incredible, honestly, one of the best takes I've ever heard, which was Jamarche. So he tore his ACL when they, LSU won the national championship, went undefeated Joe Burrow.

But then he came back and he just didn't play football again on purpose because he's like, I'll be the first receiver drafted. It doesn't matter. And then Ray Sean Slate, the COVID season, Jamarche has opted out of COVID. And it's like, people said, Davey and Clowny should have, it's like, they never do it. And there was this one-year COVID experiment with Ray Sean Slater, the tackle Northwestern, just opted out of the year.

And instead of, like, playing college football, those guys just went to, like, IMG Academy or whatever with their agents. And they just trained for football and worked out. All they did was, like, they didn't even freaking bothered the comp, like, they, these guys just play college football. And you're like, guess what? You get hurt college football. You're not necessarily weight training.

You're not necessarily doing stuff for the NFL, getting bigger, stronger. It's grueling. It's grueling. teammates getting chemistry. Yeah. And Jamar Chase and Ray Sean Slater were two of the best rookies in the history of the NFL. And then we learned fucking nothing from that experience. Sorry for cursing.

We learned nothing from that experience. And I'm like, Calvin Ridley hasn't been hurt or rehabbing. Calvin Ridley has just been training to be in the NFL. And I will say, if he comes back better, I'll kind of be upset that I didn't think enough that actually his skill set might be better, just like Jamar Chase came back. It was a better player. Every time he goes in drafts, I'm like, that's a good pick. Like, it doesn't matter where the pick is.

I'm like, yeah, that was probably the right pick. Exactly. That has a good value. Damn. Also, we should have, when we come back on the draft show at the end of the year, we got to have that conversation about like, imagine if these guys did take a year off and just trained for the NFL instead of like going through his season and then. It's like the NBA version of foregoing college.

You're just kind of like going to the G League, like what Scoot Henderson did and all these guys, Jalen Green, where you're just like, why would I go to college? I'm just going to like go train and play with actual pros. Have to go to classes. I have to like talk to professors and learn stuff. Why would I go to class and play against guys who look like me when I could just go to the G League ignite and play like legitimate NBA players and get coached by NBA coaches?

Also, even when the season ends in college football, they don't even get to play football. They have to like, oh, yeah, right. I have to like get in a sprinter stance and practice by 40-yard dash, which I haven't done since I was a Cedar in high school. And that's what there's wasting their time doing. And you can't necessarily even do all the weight training stuff because you've got to be fast.

It's freaking crazy. Anyway. Jamar Chase, he, Jamar Chase had almost 1,500 yards in his rookie year. Because he trained, and then Ray Sean Slater was like, oh my God,

this was like the best rookie left, like, you know, right tack. So yeah, he's the left tackle. He's one of the best rookie left tackles. 20 years?

Yeah, he turns out he's just related. Like if you're good, you're good, yeah. I know, but it's just, I don't know, it's interesting that all the guys

who skipped were incredible just trained amazing. Anyway, speaking of guys who are, if they're good, they're good. Good segue. Dude,

Tony Pollard for the Cowboys. If you didn't listen, we went on Bill Simmons' podcast this week and Bill texted us like 25 awards. And we all went flat. We all had guys and we all were like, who's our guy for this year? We all prepped separately.

We didn't collaborate on the guys we were going to talk about on the show. I truly didn't think you guys were all gonna, I didn't think you would pick Pollard. I thought I was the only Pollard truther here. We all picked Tony Pollard. We literally all picked Tony Pollard

and Bill was like a gas. That's our favorite guy in the draft. I'm curious. Or one true love. Why did you guys do it? For me, I just kept thinking about it. and I just was convinced by Rich Rebar at Sharp Football

that was like, you know what, this is just Austin Eccler again. We clamored for this guy to get the job. He got the job and we're like scared. And it's like, well, he has three games without Zeke Elliott in his career. And he averaged 135 yards and two touchdowns without Zeke Elliott. So like, what are we thinking about? I think, yeah, like truly, I just think about him being insanely good. Like every time he touches the football, he creates an explosive play, it feels like.

And so I kind of joke around about him being the best player. He was a top 10 running back last year. and he's basically getting drafted as if Zeeke's still there. Right. I said this on Bill's Pud. You could legitimately convince me Tony Pollard should be the first pick in the draft.

He averaged 26 fantasy points a game without Zique. That's what McCaffrey averaged last year without Eli Mitchell. They're the fucking same. You know what's funny too? I think that earlier in the year, I was a little nervous about Tony Pollard because, you know, he broke his leg in January

and I was like, well, let's see what they do with the roster moves because I want to see if they sign like a Zika or someone to take the goal and carries and, like, actually. They don't have any running backs of the experience behind him. All their roster moves have indicated that he's the guy. And I'm like, no one's talking.

I feel like no one remembers the broken leg but me. Maybe I'm wrong about it. No one brings it up. So I'm like, well, if I'm the only one wondering about the broken leg, then why the hell is he a second rounder? So if you get totally followed it literally any part, then he's in the second round. He's fine. Broken leg is a sprained ankle nowadays in the NFL.

If you break a bone, I'm like, you're fine. Ligaments are where I get scared. Bones, not a big deal. You know what sucks about this? You know what sucks about hosting a fantasy football podcast? So we went on Bill's show yesterday. And I immediately got text. I immediately got text.

I have one big high school league that I really care about. I always want to win, whatever. It's an important league. And of course, everyone's like, well, we all know Craig wants Tony Pollard now. And I'm like, wonderful. There is zero chance I will get Tony Pollard at a reasonable price. I'm either going to have to get them for $65 or I'm not going to get them at all. So just one of the downsides.

Haven't you guys experienced that? All your favorite guys, everybody knows about them in the draft? No, that's why I brazenly lie about who I like. I just brazenly lie and it's a false flag. We do three months of fake news. Craig, doing the auction leagues, it's the worst though because every single player that you nominate, they're like, oh, I'm bidding you up. Wait, hold on. I'm going after you.

Did you guys think I was actually it on Mike Davis? That was like a bit. I just wanted my friends to take him. Sure, sure, yeah. Yeah, it's a false flag. Tony, I won't have Tony Pollard in that league. There's just no way. One last note on Tony Pollard, which I just still find wild, is that Zeke,

Elliot, he had, last year, he had 12 touchdowns. He rushed 231 times. Like, that's not going to happen with Rico Dottle or, what's his name, Duce Vaughn. Like, the biggest move they made to replace Zique was by drafting a 170-pound running back. Think about that. Maybe I will just spend $65 on him, damn. I don't know. I don't know what I'm going to do because I really want him, but I know I can't have it.

Honestly, I don't do it before they released this. episode. Yeah, Craig, you should bid all your friends up. And then once you get it at like 61, just be like, he's a broken fucking leg this year, idiot. Just like let it go. Oh, my God. I'm not also just C.D. Lam, just another guy where I'm just like, you know what? Led the NFL yards from the slot is 24 years old.

Also just one of the coolest, one of the coolest receivers out there. Well, I don't think he's cool because he's on the Cowboys. So I kind of just, I don't think any of the Cowboys are like cool. Yeah, you have to say that. Right. But I can say it. He's one of the coolest players out there. He's just cool.

Yeah. Is he? I just like him. Cedarian Lamb. He's just a cool guy. Is he cool? I feel like AJ Brown's cool. They're both cool.

They're both cool. I feel like C.D. Lamb plays with a ton of swag. He's just got an attitude, you know? And he's got his little like wipe the nose off thing. You know, every time he catches a pass. He learned that from Michael Irvin. Is that right? Oh, I got that.

Took T.K. Took me a second. I got it. Wait, did you guys see the. thing on first sake, or whatever it is, the Fox one, I don't want to give him the plug of Michael Irvin. This was such a window into like life of Michael Irvin. Be like, yeah, I taught CD Land to catch in the body. And Richard Sherman's just like, I hate you so much.

That's not what you do. You're making it easier for me. Yeah. And Keishon Johnson was like, oh, I got to get Michael Irvin's back. It's like, Kishon Johnson was like, you know, when you got to get your friends back in like an argument in somewhere like a bar or something, but your friend was wrong. You know he's wrong. Yeah.

Like, that was, that was Kishol and it's like, fuck. Yeah. Really got, oh, dude. Michael Irvin. Catch you with your hands at the end of the day. Is the lesson here. Anyway, Citi Lamb, now they catch us with his hands. Can you imagine it'll be?

Any other FOMO guys for you guys? No, reach on all those guys. I'm okay with it. Just reach on all of them. I'm actually very pro-reach in drafts. Get the guy you want. No one knows anything. Especially us.

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Our league has hit a bit of a wall in terms of our loser punishment. The guy who finished last in our league has had all offseason to complete his task and the loser in our league has to do a combine and film. That's funny. Film the whole thing and send it to the group. They have to run a 40, do the bench press, three-go and drill, vertical

fraud jump. Throw a couple deep balls, have someone throw to him. That's actually really good. For reference, we are a group of post-college 26 to 28-year-olds. We're mostly out of shape at this point, and it's really sorry for formerly athletic guys. Now Scott, and he said, please say Scott's name because he needs to be publicly shamed. Scott.

Scott is. Scott. Scott is that all offseason to get this done, and he still has not. We are trying to get our draft done by the end of this week, and we've offered Scott the choice of either getting the video to the group chat by Friday, or he will have the last pick in every round. So it's snake draft, but everyone will snake except Scott who will just have the last pick in every round. Scott is claiming this is not fair because parts of the video Of course Scott's claiming this.

Come on Scott's like, yeah. Do we even want to hear what he says? Scott doesn't have an opinion. Scott doesn't have a dog in this race. Scott says and I quote, blah, blah, blah, yada yada yada yada, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. Yeah.

Shane says I'm writing you guys, hopefully to gain some outside perspective on the matter. Are we being too harsh with the punishment? Should it only be his first four rounds where he gets the last pick, should we give him an extension on the video, any and all suggestions are welcome. He's had all summer to do it.

No, don't give him an extension. Definitely not an extension. Do you guys think the last pick in every round is harsh? What I was going to suggest was just you remove his first round pick, just no first round pick. I think generally speaking, some punishments, like let's be real, the Waffle House thing 24 hours is difficult.

However, it is important to enforce the punishment because if you don't enforce the punishment, no one does it. And it's kind of like two people are going to get like really mad about it. This one, how long would it actually take to film all this like 25 minutes? Yes, you could do it in a half an hour. I mean, I guess like the bench press, do you have to go to a gym and film yourself at a gym? I guess that's kind of awkward and weird.

Everybody is filmed yourself with a mop. Just get like your vacuum or a broom and like your friends are still going to put something on. It'll be funny. Like you could do this at home if you really had to. Also like it sounds like these guys have been doing. this for a while. And I'm assuming every other last place finisher has completed the punishment. So if there's precedent and everybody else has been doing this for seven, eight years, then yeah, you know what, given the last pick and ever draft, I have no problem with that. If this is like

the first year of the punishment, he's not doing it, I think it's a different conversation. Did grace period? Yeah, did everybody agree to this beforehand? There's a lot of stuff we don't know. But assuming all of that is kind of buttoned up, yeah, I don't mind it. Last pick. in every round. Yeah, unless Scott's filing an appeal that he never agreed to this in the first place. Pretty lock and shut case.

Also, what's he going to do, not prep for the draft? You should probably take out half an hour from your draft prep and make sure that you, like, don't have the last pick of every round. This is just not that hard. Like, why is Scott not doing this?

That's my point, Craig, is I can empathize sometimes when someone who's just in a league because their friends are in it and then there's just this absolutely mortifying, like, punishment for last place. And I can somewhat empathize

with people who are like, I'm not doing that. But like, this is just run, go run around a little. Like, it's fine. Who cares? I've heard a lot worse. This is like a, this is like a two and a half out of ten on the, on the, like, the punishment scale. If you really wanted to.

They're essentially asking you to, Scott, they're just trying to get you to go work out for a day. All right, dude. They're just thinking about you, you know? If you really wanted to, you could do the entire thing, like hitting the button record to upload in 10 minutes. Scott, I think they're trying to tell you something. You put on a few pounds, all right? Get out there.

Run a lap or two. Put it on camera. I think the first four rounds is perfectly fine. Our punishment. Go for it. All right. Today's fantasy court was brought to by Jack Link's protein snacks. Enter for a chance to win.

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I wish my name was Jacklink. It sounds badass. We got to get Shane to put up his league in the Jacklinks, MeatRost.com. We should get Rob Gorge to roast Scott. Maybe my fantasy team name this year will be Jacklinksmeetroast.com. That's a high, that's a high T move right there. That's an alpha move. Could I get high tea?

I'm just brimming with tea. Could they pay extra if I make that my fantasy team name? They add a couple dollars into the deal? I'll do it. I'll do it for free. Hey, Jack legs, have your people talk to our people with. Let's get. Jack legs, have Jack call me.

We'll discuss. He called me at home. Brimming with tea is also pretty good tea, babe. Brimming with tea. Brimming with tea. All right, we also, we did our Reddit. We did. Word.

That's triggering. We did a Reddit AMA and Ask Me Anything. And giant Q&A, thank you to everyone who participated. We are going in lieu of some emails. We're going to do some of the great questions we got from this Reddit AMA, which is really fun. If you want to find it, we tweeted out the links to it. You can find out our Twitters. Danny underscore Highfits.

D.K.'s Danny P. Kelly. Craig is Craig Horel back on Twitter. We tweeted out. It's fun. D.K., do you want to take us through some of these top? Ask me anything posts we got. Quick bit of context here. my dog George at precisely 3.30 on the dot every single day,

stares at me for one straight hour until I feed him his food for dinner at 4.30. Every time I move an inch, he jumps up like, oh my God. Food's ready. But then I'm like, not yet. You have 45 minutes. Like, calm down. Anyways, we played this song and dance every single day. And this guy says, Danny, much like your dog staring at you to feed them and won't go away until you do.

Who is that one player that sits on? top of the ADPQ that you have found for your that you have found yourself drafting since they won't just go away for example i took mike evans because he wouldn't stop staring me and i finally gave in so basically this is the question is like who's the guy that's just keep sitting there on the top of your queue and you want to ignore him you want him to go away you want somebody else to pick him and then eventually you're just like fine i'll take you i'll freaking get you on my team first thing that jumps out to me is is michael pitman yeah actually yeah i i'm at the the same like I obviously have kind of he's been my Josh Jacobs this year which that's bad but like I just

he's gonna go for 1500 this year isn't he yeah 1500 yards yeah but then I keep looking I'm like oh he's still here really he just won't go away hyphids you're taking the same one if I can't take the same one honestly it's funny that you mentioned Mike Evans because Chris Godwin's kind of like that too oh yeah I like Chris Godman Craig and I are back in I know I'm coming around on him yeah we are I'm a godhead now you know there are some players that godhead well I think they have words for that I'm going to church. There's billions of people that are into being godheads right now. Godheads.

The guy that I said for this one was DJ Moore. It's the same deal. It's basically like, do I have to worry about... It's receivers with running quarterback. Yeah, it's like, do I have to worry about how many freaking passes Navy is going to be like throwing this week or, you know, should I just like keep ignoring him? Eventually I convinced myself he's so good.

I can't let him sit there anymore. But then I regret it immediately. How many errant screen passes will DJ Moore see per game? Yeah. And can he reel those in? Yeah. How many 98-yard screen passes is he going to take to the house, do you think, this year? Yeah.

How many, like, 105-hour fastballs is Justin Fields going to launch to DJ Moore on a little bubble screen? All say is Chicago fans are going to be so happy to, like, roast us if Justin Fields does well this year. DJ Moore is going to have to catch with his body on those screen passes. Hold on. I just want to say we're officially old enough that we've been doing it long enough that we once upon a time had basically the same exact conversation almost verbatim, but with Josh Allen and Stefan Diggs. I know. This is the thing. We're like, we're like, Stefan Diggs.

How is it going to react? When he's got these like bullets coming at him from Josh Allen. Hey, we don't look backwards, all right? We just go forward. We never learn lessons. We don't look back to. Refuse to learn a lesson. Yeah.

Speaking of not learning lessons, didn't someone ask me who was the Josh Jacobs of the season? Yes. Mm-hmm. Well, let's expand that. Who's the Josh Jacobs and Mike Davis? Well, Mike Davis is Somagia P-Rine, but like that's fine because Samaja P-Royer that's going where he should be, which is like a top 100 players. Yeah, 100.

That's fine. It's going to start. Yeah, that's not going to kill you. It's not going to ruin your draft. I think the real Mike Davis would probably be Alexander Madison, right? A guy who's not talent, not doesn't have the talent, but he's going really high because of the role. Because of the supposed volume.

Yeah, he'll just drop off the face of the cliff. or Rashad White because Sean Tucker is like this undrafted free agent that fell because of a heart condition. But really like Sean Tucker probably could have been like a fourth rounder. And he has like Sean Tucker watched the preseason. You're like, oh, like, this guy's great. And like if Sean Tucker is just starting running back for the bucks by week five and we had assumed it would be Rashad White and I wouldn't really be surprised. I would quibble a little bit with that. Someone was hit me up on Twitter about this too.

Like we're ignoring the Mike Davis lesson when it comes to Rashad White. But the situations are totally different. Like Rashad White was drafted by that team last year. He's only had one year of experience. The Mike Davis lesson was like, hey, Mike Davis was 30 or whatever the fuck. Journeyman running backs. Like journeymen running backs aren't suddenly going to be amazing in one year. Also, Rashad White was like a second round pit.

Was he not? I think third round. Yeah. The real mistake I made with Mike Davis was not contextualizing where people should take him. I think the real mistake I made with Mike Davis was actually not hyping him up. It was being like, I liked him where he was going. and then I kept talking about him, but then I stopped talking about where to take him,

and it's like Samaja P. Ryan, it's kind of like if I kept on with Samajip Rine, but then at the end was like, people were like, oh, so we'll take him in the sixth round. And I was like, no, no, no, I don't like him that much. And like, Mike Davis, like, was ranked like 95th. And I was like, well, if you miss on him, it's fine. And even then it's like, all right, whatever.

And I think I failed to contextualize that. Yeah. I've been very careful about like, yeah, Samaja P. P. Ryan, top 100 player. Like, don't take Samajia P. seventh round, please. Hyphitz fell into a classic ringer trap where his take became his entire personality for a whole year. Except people actually use our rankings.

It's not like the superhero rankings where like it doesn't matter. Like, oh, the enemies, the jerk bracket. Can't believe Dr. Cox and Scrubs left. I'm like, yeah, the rankings matter. My wife, Elizabeth Kelly, who works at the ring. My wife. Yeah, she actually one of the Reddit questions, so she hosts a show called Tea Time and the actual the last episode is coming out on Friday, same day as today. So you could listen to that.

But anyway, somebody actually asked the question, like, why did Craig make his wife retire from podcasting? Which I did not. But my point about, like, your take becoming your personality, I remember the best example of this is Liz back when, like, we were pre-Spotify really early on in the ringer when, like, everybody was just running around slinging takes. Liz, like, casually said one time in like, in like a meeting room, just like, not the biggest Paul Rudd person. And everyone was like, what? And then, like, for the the next four years of Liz's life. She was like the girl who hates Paul Run.

Oh, my headphones almost flew off. I laughed so hard there. I remember that. I remember that. Yeah, see? Everybody still remembers it. It's like the first thing they think of when they think of Liz is Paul Rudd. How could you hate Paul Rudd?

Oh, that's weird. He was like, hey, Mike Davis is starting running back. He's going like 93rd on ESPN. And that's weird. And then like five years later, there's a guy wearing a shirt to a live show that says, Mike Davis is my ick. And I'm like, oh, my God. Come on.

What happened? Oh, man. Okay, so wait, what's the answer? Is it Michael Pittman? Josh Jacob. Yeah. Mike Davis this year, hopefully there is none

because hopefully we've contextualized everyone. But the Josh Jacobs is Michael Pittman because I keep being like, I don't want to hold his hand through Richardson's rookie season. And there's a world where actually Anthony Richardson just targets Michael Pittman only on every RPO and only just does one read or bail. And Michael Pittman has like 200 targets and just, I don't know. I think my,

my Michael Pittman, or sorry, my Josh Jacobs this year is if Zach Charbonnet rushes for like 1,200 yards and scores 20 touchdowns, I'm going to feel really bad. So that would be mine. I mean, ultimately, my Seahawks would be probably doing really well if that happened. So I wouldn't feel that bad about it. But maybe, yeah, maybe just throw in some Charbonnet late in drafts. Well, I remember because we had a preliminary rankings before the draft. And we had Ken Walker like 28th, 25th or something, 23rd.

And then they drafted Zach Charbonnet. And I moved Ken Walker back. like 15 spots. And you guys just like moved Ken Walker back like two. And I was like, am I the batty? Does it be? I'm just a,

I'm a Walker. I'm a Walker head, you know? James Cook is going to be like Austin Eccler and I'm just really going to have to eat my hat. I'm actually afraid that James Cook will be, young Mike Davis. What's that mean?

He just isn't going to be a thing. Like he just won't be good. All right. Wait, we also got a really funny one that was, who are the players who represent us? like we're the players that are like us. And I said that Craig was like

Tayson Hill because he's got seven jobs. Coaches love him and nobody knows what his title should be. And I'm Mormon. For people that I don't know, Craig, Craig truly has like seven jobs. He does so many different things for the rigor. Okay, how many podcasts do you produce now? Well, I like officially produced three. but I also like oversee two or three more

and then and then I'm on the ringer films team so you're like a quarterback who's playing tight end who also is the goal line running back honestly Craig is Otani yeah sure I hope I can get his contract how's your elbow feels great I said high fits was Mark Andrews

you know productive one of the best at what he does every once in a while he says something that just reminds you of volleyball setting a touchdown pass into the fourth row of the stands. And you can't get that out of your brain. But overall, great guy. Like, I love them. And you're living in the shadows of Travis Kelsey, who is Chris Ryan, who's just he's the best podcast host with this company. But in reality, like, you're doing a fantastic job, but nobody notices because Chris Ryan just every year keeps getting better.

I love that D.K. picked Mark Andrews. And when I think of D.K. and Mark Andrews, I just think about D.K. just irrationally hates Mark Andrews and never. wants to be random average, so that's super chill. But that's a Freudian situation there. Who's the player I like the least? That's not true. It's definitely Marcus Valde Scantling for some reason. DK is like,

DK's like Derek Henry or Keenan Allen, where every year I'm like, this guy's getting up there. And then every year, he comes back. We thought he'd fall off by now. Just my physical stature is so much more imposing than everyone else as well. We got also, too, we get emails. We get emails from people with names.

Look at the Reddit name. It's like usernames. This one was from Wooden Leg Real Foot. What? Someone else read it. I can't. Okay. Okay.

Wooden leg Real Foot asks, if building a fantasy team is like making a sandwich, what position is the meat, cheese bread, etc? I thought about this. I think running backs are the meat, clearly. they're the most important, but they're becoming less popular and less in vogue, right? People are kind of getting out on meat. Quarterbacks are the bread. You kind of only want to go for the highest quality bread or else it's kind of a mess.

That's good. But any bread will do. Sure, any bread will do, but you're going for the high end stuff. You got to plug a couple pieces of bread onto your sandwich. Wide receivers are the veggies because they're all the rage and you can't have enough. You're just stacking them on. And then tight ends are cheese. You could take it or leave it, but the right one really makes a sandwich all come together.

That's pretty good. I like that. And then kickers are like the pickle that they give you that nobody eats on the side. Oh, I love the pickle. That doesn't work. No, it's because some people... I don't know if most people eat the pickles. No, it's because some people love pickles and some people are like, why do we even have pickles?

Right. Right. I don't want pickles and sandwiches. People don't want kickers and leagues. There you go. Titans' cheese is perfect because there's also, if you just kind of... Get a sandwich slap together. Sometimes you look, you're like, I don't even know what kind of cheese this is.

Like what's the difference is in all these guys, you know? I don't even know the difference. It's like American cheese, which is not even cheese. Can't call cheese. Cicles are just like cheese like square. Starting to taste and hell and tight end. We're not having to let legally allowed to say. It's a craft like square.

It's a dove beauty bar. She's like square. I hate the time where everybody. This is what we're putting in our bodies. A cheese like square. Oh my God. No wonder you're. When you think about it, like, yeah, we're not legally allowed to go out of food, but...

No wonder life expectancy in America went down for the first time in 100 years. How could that be? Because we're eating cheese-like squares. I actually thought it was because I told everyone not to draft Josh Jacobs, but maybe it's... A lot, too. All right. Yeah. So you never answered why you made Liz quit her podcast.

Do you want to explain? I was sick of being the worst podcaster in my relationship. So I was like, hey. we got to make a move here, all right? Craig, Craig's like, I'm the takes guy. I'm the guy with the takes. You can't be with the takes. I did the cannibal thing, all right?

I took your Paul Rudd and I raised you a cannibalism. Eating people over here. You're eating cheese squares. I'm eating people. I'm eating wooden leg real foot over here. I can't go any higher than that. I'm eating people. You need to quit.

Craig's watching this is the end for the 100th time. He's like, this Danny McBride's got some ideas. Who's going to be my Channing Tatum? Don't email that. I want to read one question because I had the same thought at times, and I don't know if I'm crazy either, but this is affirming to me. So this is from, sorry, I didn't write the name down, but love the show. I listen to every episode, and I have one burning question that I finally want to ask you,

are there two versions of your intro song that you guys use on the podcast? I listen to every episode, and I swear to God, every once in a while, it's slightly slower tempo than the regular one. And it's driving me nuts. It's driven me nuts for a few years now. I asked my wife and she said, I don't know. They sound similar. Am I insane? Please help. All I'll say is hypothetically, if there were different ones, perhaps it's maybe an Easter egg that we do on purpose and to code different episodes. And it's coming out in Morse code. And if you figure out the intro song, which episodes, there's like a hidden message. Send people down the rabbit hole. Craig, I have noticed this too, I feel like. Yeah, it's a whole thing. I don't want to

into it. Wait, it really did happen? Short answer, yes. There are two different versions. But holy shit. Yeah. That's amazing. I actually, so I had completely noticed this too. And I'm like, wait, am I listening to this? Just like, is this a Spotify thing where I'm listening to it on a different speed than it?

No, it's the thing. We can bring Kion to talk about it. It's not that interesting. That's amazing. But you're right. Maybe the answer is interesting, but there are a lot of people who thought they were freaking crazy like Charlie Kelly trying to fight Pepe Silvia. Slow it down by one, one, one, 1,000th of a second forever.

And it's just like all of a sudden, it's just like. Email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. If you are listening to this right now and be like, oh my God, I'm not crazy. Like I actually am very curious how many people. It's like when you get glasses, like it for people that have a bad vision for the longest time, you don't really notice it. And then when you get a new prescription, you're like, holy shit. I can see leaves now.

This is amazing. All right. We're going to get out of here because Craig, who has seven jobs, just actually literally had to go leave to do another recording and just got up and was like, I'm going, bye. And so it's just D.K. I know. So on that note, fine. Cool.

Thanks, Craig, for nothing. Thanks, D.K. Thank you, Kai, for producing this episode. Thank you to Tucker. Everyone, Fandle TV behind the seeds. Thank you, intern Jack's here. I don't know. Shout out intern Jack.

Thank you. Thank you, Lauren. Oh, so no one says Lauren. You're going to have to say it again. Oh, Lauren. Thank you, dear tick. We got a question about deer tick. Deer Tick.

It's a good band. Check it out. Baltimore Blues number one is my favorite song. I may have said this before. Keep being as ringer fantasy football gmail.com. Keep emailing us bad band names. Any artists who just had to choose a name and they're 17 and then they have a thing. And like that's your name now.

And like someone said us. You're stuck with it. There was a band called Diarrhea Planet. That's like pretty good, but they really capped themselves with the name. This is like getting a tattoo when you're 16. I apologize. He sent us. I lost track of the email.

I guess if I just take diarrhea planet, there's only hopefully one email. It's from Obie. Yeah, Obi, he was in charge of like booking bands for homecoming at his college and basically it was like,

diarrhea planet rips, but like you can't convince, you're going to go to the school board and be like, hey, we're going to get people to come to diarrhea planet. Like, no, you're not.

So, yeah, that's capped. Yeah. Love that. Maybe not as capped as danycy football when it rhymes, you know, spell checks to fantasy, but it's pretty,

pretty sealing. Holy shit, we have seven emails about diarrhea planet. Diary Planet big. What age group is this? Like, how old are these people in this band? I've never heard of this. No offense, but I think they're your age. Wow, Joey, Matt.

A lot of emails. Yeah, wow, okay. I think they're the winner. Diarrade Planet. Love it. How was their first name for the show? We found out it was trademarked, yeah. All right, goodbye, everyone.

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