The Ringer NFL Show - 12 Lessons From the 2025 Fantasy Season, Olympic Crotchmaxxing, and Clavicular Part 2

Episode Date: February 12, 2026

The guys hand out their 'Memento' tattoo lessons from the season, debating the fantasy rules they refuse to forget—from trusting elite offenses to identifying the real kingmakers. They also argue about rushing QBs, late-round strategy, coaching chaos, and which trends will actually matter next season. (00:00) Intro (03:03) Tattoos (38:43) Polaroids (01:12:09) Emails Discord link:  https://discord.gg/Ge8bbYHrau Check out the 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings: https://fantasyfootball.theringer.com/ Email us! [e-mail] Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady, Carlos Chiriboga, and Cameron Dinwiddie Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hyatt for today. I'm joined by Danny, Kelly, and Craig Horlebeck, and we are going over all the things we learned from the past season. Because as Craig noted, years ago, every year we start a reset for the following season. We pick up in August and we're kind of like, we have no memory of anything that happened. We just repeat the same mistakes over and over and over again.

So, DK, we're going to actually keep track of the things that we want to remember from this season and then lessons from past seasons. and we're going to try to apply them to next year. And it's kind of like our little time capsule that we will reopen next August and see if we can actually learn anything. Absolutely. We call it the Memento tattoo episode.

It's based on the movie Memento, which I still have not seen. But I understand the premise completely, I think. Also, it's kind of like- That's surprising because people who've seen the movie don't understand the premise. Well, I kind of get the tattoo part, at least. Who wants to explain it, Craig or Dek?

Craig, who's seen it? I think Dek should give it a shot. The movie is, he has short-term memory loss. he tattoos himself a bunch. So when he looks in the mirror or when he looks at his body, he sees different little tattoos that give him clues as to things he should do.

Don't trust so-and-so. And the movie is shot in reverse chronological order. So you're watching the end of the movie first. And every scene that comes after it is the scene that takes place before in real time. And when we did our little art house version of that when we tried to do the podcast backwards one time, it didn't really work that well.

So we're doing it forward this time. Also, this episode is sort of our version of the manifesto, the playoff manifesto for fantasy drafts, right? Like, we have a bunch of sort of rules, and then we try and remember these rules. I'm not sure what I learned this year because I went six and eight in the ringer fantasy league, as did Mallory Rubin. You're bearing the lead. You got last place in the playoffs.

I was building to that. I was building suspense and anticipation. My point was, I don't know what I learned because I had the same record as the person who got first. Well, maybe that's the lesson. Fair, fair. Fair, fair. I will say Kyle, one of our listeners, Kyle, Kaybone. Kbone made a point to note that in Memento, he not only has tattoos, he has a bunch of

Polaroids. The Polaroids are things that what he's keeping track of before he locks in what he tattoos. He also carries Polaroids with him and he burns the things that he think are no good and he tattoos the Polaroids he doesn't want to forget. So I think that we go through the tattoos and then we go through our Polaroids from this season, we decide which ones we're going to tattoo. because ironically, I forgot that about the movie. I should watch this fucking movie.

No, it's funny that you have it. It's better. It is a good movie, though. Christopher Nolan. Okay. So we're going to go through. Famous director. It is incredible how frequently we go back through these and we're like, man, if we had just listened to what we said, we probably would have done great.

And starting with the number one tattoo we have, the number one thing, this is from years ago and it works every year. D.K., across your back, across your back, just all cap. block lettering. It says draft elite players and elite offenses, identify kingmakers, don't overthink the shit. This is the rule I think that is the most universal and evergreen for me. Like I want to think about this every draft. I want to think about this with almost every pick. Obviously, you can't just only take players in what you're going to think are the good offenses. But for the most part, especially early on in your draft, find the players that are going to be in the best offenses in the NFL. Sometimes it's obvious. Usually it's obvious. Usually it's obvious.

obvious. Sometimes there's less obvious ones and you just have to kind of be able to predict it. But the kingmaker is the key to me for this. Like Sean McVeigh is the reigning kingmaker. He is the lord of all lords. He is just kind of the guy that every year, his main skill players, he trusts a certain amount of guys. And those guys get all of the volume. So, you know, obviously Stafford had a huge year this year. I think he was very underrated for injury related reasons coming into the season, I think. But obviously he did really well this season. They parked an air, they parked an air bus tube thing in the Rams parking lot. Turned out after they tried to trade. Turned out to be a little bit of a huge red herring. He won the MVP award. We'll get into that later because there is a lesson or perhaps not a lesson in there. But obviously Pooka Nakua, the number one receiver, Devante Adams, led the NFL in touchdowns. Matt Stafford was a great pick.

Like I said, Karen Williams, Blake Corum. Corum, and he started being used more in the late part of the season. So, Kiron, I don't think he's quite as. rock solid for next year but you know just going down the line and then Colby Parkinson was really good down the stretch

you could get value out of him he actually scored more fantasy points I was shocked to hear this he scored more fantasy points than Mark Andrews Dalton Kincaid T.J. Hawkinson Ingram Colby Parkinson

so I think that that little just identify the kingmakers thing is so important we'll go through some of the other guys that became king makers or we think are kingmakers in the segment.

But I think that's the big thing is find the offenses that you really trust the play callers, really. And, sorry, you go, Craig. I was just going to say, I feel like right now, the top of the mountain, the top of the pyramid is McVeigh,

maybe Shanahan, when the players are healthy, usually anyone in that offense. I mean, we saw Kendrick Bourne take off for like a month. And then after that, I feel like there is this next level

below the tip of the pyramid where you have guys like, Ben Johnson in his first year in Chicago, you have Liam Cohen in his first year in Jacksonville, where things went well, and there were guys like ETN and like Brenton Strange was pretty good that you kind of didn't expect. I feel like those are the guys who are probably the teams that we're in the offseason are going to say we want to identify and we want to double down on. But I would say at the top of the pyramid, I mean, there are great combinations of quarterbacks

and receivers like Dak Prescott with C.D. Lamb and now Pickings. You have obviously Burrow with Jason Higgins. but D.K., who is at the top of the pyramid to you? Like, you mentioned McVeigh. I would say Shanahan is there. Are there any other, like, bankable kingmakers that you feel like every year you can depend on? No, I think for me, Shanahan, or sorry, McVeigh stands above the rest. I have a complicated relationship with Shanahan?

Right. Because one of your tattoos, which have you rubbed it off? Have you tried to, like, block it out? No, it's still there. I'm, like, filling in around it because I'm not really sure exactly how much I like it anymore. What does it say for those who are a little rusty? Kyle Shanahan killed your wife, I think. What is it? I can't remember.

Kyle Shannon killed my family. We have Kyle, all the Kyle's, Kyle Pitts and Kyle Shannon killed my family. Because that's like, and then even though Brock Purdy or Mac Jones is great whenever they're playing quarterback,

random wide receivers pop off. McCaffrey was the number one player in fantasy this year. So Kittle was really good. So have you, what's going on? Shannon's not next to McVeigh for you? No.

Here's how, so look, if we were, if I was telling you this rule last year, I want to kind of like look back at what happened this season and identify some of the opportunities that were there

and some of the misses maybe that we had. For me, the big, really obvious opportunity that we maybe missed out on a little bit. I mean, I think we were excited about the Bears' offense, but Ben Johnson,

I think that one could have been obvious coming into the season. I think next year people are going to be really high on a lot of the Bears players. Well, the players were just very young. Like, I feel like we knew Ben Johnson

was a good play caller, but Caleb looked fucking terrible the year before. And then he had a bunch of, he had Birdin and Loveland and DJ Moore and Romod. No, we didn't really,

and the one guy we bet on Roma Dune, it was the one who probably was the biggest flop. But we didn't exactly know who was the good player on the teams yet. Yeah. And I think that was why we kind of balked at it a little bit. But I mean, looking at it now, Caleb Williams was the QV8. D'Andre Swift was the RV-16. I think he was very useful this season.

Colston Loveland, who was a top 10 pick at tight end. He was the tight end 12 overall in points, but from week nine on. So basically the second half of the season, he was the tight-end four. Yeah. Colston Loveland was unplayable, like unrosporable for the first half of the season. If you play at him, you probably missed the playoffs. but then if you added him, when someone cut him, Colson Loveland probably helped you all.

And it's the reverse for Romadunzee, who was fantastic for like six weeks and dropped off the face of the planet. He's on the list of guys that we have to revisit where part of, actually, we'll talk about him later in the episode. But so Ben Johnson was the big one. And look, this is, this goes to how great last year's coaching carousel was. Ben Johnson, I think, was a good opportunity to get in before everyone on the team gets too expensive.

Some people might have got on that train. Some people might have blocked at it. Liam Cohn is the other one for the Jags. I mean, Trevor Lawrence was a QB5 this year in fantasy. That was a massive opportunity. Travis E.T.N. was the RB 13. As you mentioned, Craig, Britton Strange was the tight end nine. He was useful.

But then the elephant in the room is the one guy you felt the best about. Top 10 pick. Brian Thomas Jr. was a total dud. And so, look, obviously, this is a rule, but this doesn't mean we're going to be right every single time. I think to me this is just a way of looking at the NFL as a whole when you're going into your fantasy drafts and trying to identify what teams are undervalued, right?

And so this next season, I'm going to be kind of, you're going to be all over this too, but like the Chargers with Mike McDaniel is kind of the team I think I'm going to be circling on a lot of drafts. I think Omar and Hampton is going to be one of my highest drafted players,

assuming he can stay healthy all offseason. You know, there's a lot of guys in that offense that I'm excited about. And so I think Ladd-McConkey, as much as you guys hate, on him. I'm going to be drafting him a lot next year. I don't hate on him. Um, I don't know. And obviously, we all love Lad. I like Ladd. He was disappointing this year. Well, I don't know what else. Greg was upset. I look, I think he's very good. I think the point you're making,

D.K.'s very good. I agree with everything you guys are saying. And I think I would, I, I actually I, this is our number one thing for a reason. And I actually think we can double down on it. Like the Kingmakers thing, Stafford, I don't even know where to begin. But I mean, I guess we'll start with the obvious of sometimes when we say don't overthink it, Matt Stafford now is responsible for how many of the top 10 fantasy receiver seasons ever. It's like Calvin Johnson, Cooper Cup winning a triple crown, Pooka Nukua last year. Players on good teams is the appropriate first tattoo that should be the biggest on your chest. Actually, can we talk about what's the opposite of this? Like, I wonder if anyone's listening being like, this is so obvious. Is there a

player that doesn't fit this mold that you could take in the top two rounds? Like, I won't, that would be the example of disobeying this tattoo. I will tell you guys right now. I think if you look at coaching, coaching is just good coaches do make more with less. And I think when you look at bad coaching, my question for you guys is I was doing my rankings. The next episode we're going to do after this, it's going to be like our blind top 20 or top 10 rankings our first round. The player I kept staring at was Trey McBride for the Cardinals, who was the number one tight end by a mile. And it's not a question of whether he's a top tight end. Just where do you take him? And I kept thinking, you know, that was a perfect storm to get Trey McBride out. Like, I mean, the Cardinals,

Jacobi Brissette broke the record for completions in a game. There's all these reasons that the past attempts have come down. But the coordinator that the Cardinals hired this year is Nate Hackett, who he's going to run the Cardinals offense. And I'm kind of looking at this, and I think the Cardinals in picking a Cardinals' offense sticks out like a sore thumb. We don't know who the quarterback's going to be.

That's the guy where I'm like, would you rather have, honestly, if you forget, like, this fear of us putting out rankings that would have Brock Bowers over Trey McBride, part of me is like, Would you actually rather have Brock Bowers now that Clint Kubiak's running the Raiders offense and Meddills would be the quarterback? Or do you want Trey McBride when Nate Hackett's the coordinator?

Yeah. I think Michael Fleur is going to be calling plays for the record. But still, the point stands that there's a lot of uncertainty there. Are these guys actually kingmakers? Are we just like looking at his name? Well, yeah. I mean, new coach, new play caller, new quarterback is there's a lot going on there. I think looking back at 2025, maybe a player who disobeys this tattoo,

And I took this player, but I, in the fantasy league, in the ringer fantasy league, is Ashton Gentie, who. Yeah, that was the one I was circling too great. Who you, it's basically saying, like, what this tattoo is really saying is like, don't just bet on raw talent, I guess, like consider the context around the raw talent. Genti's obviously very good. And I even think he proved this year he's very good. But new coach and Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly back in the NFL for the first time in a decade.

You have Gino Smith coming to a new team. The offensive line was terrible. All that was was, was all those question marks. even if you like Pete Carroll, even if you thought you were confident about Chip Kelly, they are question marks much more so than what you know Kyle Shanahan is going to bring you. And so taking guy like Gentie over McCaffrey,

even if you think Gentie's really good, the baked in reliability that Shanhan offers you, you literally can't know it for Vegas. And so I think that's what you kind of have to do in the first two rounds. It's like, what do I know is true and what do I not know is true? Yeah.

The other example, I think that's a good one here. And I don't know if it was, super obvious in retrospect. We did talk about it quite a bit, but Justin Jefferson being like a top five pick and fantasy last year. I was low on him for this exact reason last year. And this episode last year, we literally discussed if they let Donald go,

why would you take Jefferson in the first round? I'm like, well, he's Jefferson. We were right. Here's the deal. You could talk yourself into that situation and COC, Kevin O'Connell, being a kingmaker. I feel like I could have talked myself into that. What he did with Josh Dobbs for a little bit,

for Nick Mullins, whoever are the other guys he started over the last couple of years, you know, Kirk Cousins, I think I kind of talked myself into the idea that it didn't matter what quarterback was in like under center for them. Obviously, that turned out to be horrifically wrong. Justice Jefferson was one of the worst picks, obviously, all season. And so in terms of at least the very, very high picks. And so I think it does have the quarterback does matter a lot. It's not just the play caller.

It's the situation where we know this team is going to be high fly and high. high octane, high efficiency, scoring a lot of points. I think the other guy that's going to be interesting this year is Malik Naver's elite player, exciting young quarterback in Jackson Dart. But there's a lot of question marks with what's going on with not only his health, not only Malik Nevers' health, but what's the type of offense they're going to run in New York? And I don't really, you know, it's just one of those things where I'm not going to bank on it being good bat and Aggie.

Like what has he done over the last few years with the Chiefs offense? Their Chiefs offense has been hard to watch the last couple of years. I don't want to talk too much about the Giants because I think I'll bring them up a lot. I mean, they have an overqualified staff. Matt Nag is offensive coordinator and then Brian Callion is going to be the quarterback coach, which say what you want about Brian Callan's timeouts or, you know, special teams as the head coach. Brian Callan's pretty overqualified to be a quarterback's coach at this point. So I'm happy about it.

But I agree, D.K., like neighbors, there's a lot of questions. But I think overall, it sounds obvious, but what we're saying is when in doubt, guys with coaches who's clearly put players in positions to succeed are the guys you want. I think another version of this from last year, not to linger too long on this, but Brian Schottenheimer, I went kind of hard on the Cowboys. I just felt like Schottenheimer was going to give them an offense that was high flying, high scoring, push the ball down the field. And with the disparity between C.D. and Pickens and the next closest receiver on that team,

I was like, these guys are going to get force fed. And both those guys were very valuable in fantasy. So Schottenheimer is kind of another interesting, I think, example. Obviously, he had Dak Prescott coming back. So I was confident in that. It's kind of like when you get in your car and you like buckle your seatbelt, you check your side mirrors and you check your front mirror and then you go. It's kind of the same thing in the first two rounds where it's like, who is the plate caller,

who is the quarterback and who is the head coach? This is, I might make the rule for next year. Every time you mention a receiver, you have to mention the coach and the quarterback. Yeah. And then you'll kind of know what you want. Next one here, the next tattoo we have Craig. Yeah, it is take the guys you want. And I know that sounds very simple, but it bears repeating.

I have it tattooed on my like lower neck right here. So even when I wear a shirt, I can still see it. No regrets. Yeah, right there. This is half emotional and half practical. It's doubly worse when you don't take a guy you want and then he ends up sucking. That's like the worst situation in fantasy football is like, I didn't want Malik neighbors. And then he tore his ACL.

That's just terrible. And so, like, guys who I like, like, I love a Monrae St. Brown. I always want a Monroa St. Brown. And if you're between a guy like him or Malik neighbors and maybe the rankings, say one thing, just take the guy you want, take the guy you like, take the guy you want to root for, on the team you want to root for. Like, if you have to split hairs, picking the guy you want just makes the entire experience more enjoyable. Is this sort of, is the opposite of this, or the inverse of this, I guess, don't just take a guy

because he's a quote unquote value at where you're drafting. And I want to be specific because it really only applies to the first three rounds, this rule, because later in drafts, it starts to turn into actually you should take these boring guys that are left behind. Like high fits took Michael Pittman in the ringer fantasy draft because nobody wanted them. Even Jonathan Taylor, high fits took because nobody wanted him. But like the first two rounds, then I think you should take the guys you want because everybody is quote unquote good.

High conviction. When you're in round 10 and it's like, man, nobody wants Michael Pittman. I don't like Michael Pittman either. I think you then have to start re-evaluating like value. But in the first two rounds, take the guys you want because if it doesn't work out, it'll hurt that much more. Yeah. I totally agree with everything Craig's saying.

I remember I really changed my mind in this. My friend Brian a couple years ago, Ricky, Bebone. He had Ricky Pearson on his bench. This is Ricky Pearson's first year. He had gotten shot earlier in this season. He came back, but he wasn't doing anything. It was just amazing. He was still playing.

And I was like, why do you have Ricky Parasel on your team? And he's like, I like him. He makes me happy. All right. And I was like, that's good enough, man. That isn't that the point? And he talked about Marie Condo. And he was like, I'm Marie Condo, my fantasy team.

It's like, if they don't spark joy, get rid of them. And it's such a simple way to live. And I, ever since then, I'm like, yeah, it's not an entire way to rank players, but it's more than a tiebreaker. And I have my guys that bring me happiness, but that's not the point. I think people need, you need to find your list of who makes you happy. For me, it's random. It's like, and I can go through him.

It's like, Cam Scadaboo makes me happy. I don't know if Cam Scadaboo is a good player this year. He had a bad leg break. He'll probably need a full year to recover. I don't know. But I like Cam Scadaboo more than you do. And Cam Scadaboo can be bad and sit at my bench and I'll open my little app and be like, God, I love this guy.

And like, that is important. And knowing who you actually, like Craig mentioned a Monra. I love a Monra. Like Derek Henry just makes me happy. Like Ricky Parasol and like just know who makes you happy. And you don't have to explain yourself. It's fake. It's a dumb fake team.

You're probably going to lose. The players who make you happy should be anything. It's also funny when sometimes, you know, like I kind of just fell into Jackson Smith and Jigba in my home league last year. I just kind of took him. And now I'm in a committed relationship with him and I will do everything I can to draft him every year. So sometimes it comes out of nowhere. And then there's other times when you take a guy you think you like, Drake London,

and it doesn't go well. And then you have to reevaluate. That first date. Yeah. And you ghost them. And that's okay. That's all right. Keep dating.

Keep trying. Get out there. Keep swiping. You find the right person. Dude, my brother had Derek Henry six years in a row because he had Derek Henry the first year he became Derek Henry. My brother's like, well, I'll never not do this ever again. You know what?

It turned out pretty good. Every league has those where it's just the same guy or one guy has the same guy every single year. And even in like auction leagues, like I have a buddy in my home league who always drafts Jamir Gibbs. Yeah. And it's annoying. And he always overspents.

but that it always paid. Like, no one remembers that he spent five more dollars than he should have on Jumear Gibbs. And then it's like week eight. And Jumeir Gibbs is crushing it and everyone's jealous. You're like, you had $7 over the suggested value? No one gives a shit. He has Jemir Gibbs.

This flip side of this one is the avoid toxic people. This is D.K.'s don't trust Kyle Shanahan. We're shocking yourself to the limbs of Sean Peyton. And I'm ex-deke's... Yeah, I'm expanding this list, by the way. So the players, the coaches that I just... And look, it's not a hard... I don't follow this 100% to be clear.

Chris McCaffrey is the biggest sort of outlier in this whole thing. If Chris McAfree's there, I'll probably still take him this year. But I guess I would take the number one running. Yeah, but Kyle Shanahan generally, I don't, and Sean Payton is in this list. I don't, I don't like to shackle myself to the whims of the whims of volatile coaches, coaches that put people in the doghouse for no apparent reason. I know there's probably real reasons that these guys get in the doghouse, but no apparent reason to us.

I don't want to have to be playing whack-in-wall with this offense. And so... Sean Payton's looking at every player's ankle x-rays now. Sean Payton, I think, spends more time looking at the playing time of his wide receiver five than any coach in the NFL. He needs to get those snaps up for a little Jordan Humphrey every year. Again, we should say that the Broncos should have probably been in the Super Bowl. But yeah. Good coach.

I don't like his fantasy players. Probably would have won the Super Bowl if Bowdox is healthy, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. And look, Kyle Shanahan is like this. So if I had my choice of any coach in the NFL, it'd be Sean McVay. Number two, probably would be Kyle Shanahan. He's a good coach.

In fantasy, I'm avoiding his players. Same with Sean Payton. The third guy I'm adding to this list this year, I'm not drafting any Packers ever again, the receivers specifically. Can I keep this rule? And I think we're going to nail it. I think you should draft the cheapest player on these teams. Sure.

Yeah. I mean, that would have been like Romeo Dubs this year, maybe, I guess. Exactly. Exactly. Is this really the coach, D.K., or is it the roster? Because we're just naming teams that don't have alphas. No, but it's the way the coach draft, the coach made the roster. That's fine.

But again, I think it's a little of both. Yeah, it's a little bit of both because the Packers, you know, specifically, they are a team that just has a lot of very talented receivers. They like to rotate. But I think even if they didn't, even if they did have a number one, I still think they would rotate. You know what I mean? Like, I think to me, Jane Reed is their best receiver.

and he only plays in 11 personnel. He only gets on the field when he's in three receiver sets. Yes. However, Devante Adams was with LaFleur in Green Bay, and he was awesome. Yeah. So there's probably shades that you're absolutely right on that. But he's not there anymore. But that's an example of that's another rule.

That's Aaron Rogers is a kingmaker. When Aaron Rogers decides, I like you, then that guy was a number one top five receiver, top third receiver for 12 straight years. I think that's like the first rule overseeing this one. This is why we read it. This is why we revisited every year. But generally speaking, the way that the NFL is situated right now, these teams are situated right now,

I'm avoiding Kyle Shanhan, Sean Payton, and Matt Lafleur, and you can't really convince me that any of those guys can you be valued until like the 18th round? I think you should go even further because I think the thing you're talking about is the number one thing that does not, like the most practical problem people have during the season that we don't talk about before you draft them

is the problem with the players you're talking about. Cortland Sutton on the Broncos, or all these other packers is, do I play them each week? And the problem with Sean Payton and Matt Lafleur isn't just the, what you're talking about, who's going to be the number one.

But on a week-to-week basis, it's hard to tell people whether to play Cortland Sutton. It's hard to tell people whether to play Jayden Reed. Like, that is also an issue. It's not like other guys where they're like, they're going to get a certain amount of targets

and we'll see what happens. It's like the target share is all over the place. Yeah, that's exactly the right point. It's, I want to chase, consistency and sort of like look at the underlying numbers. Tuckercraft is another interesting example coming into next year. I mean, if you look at the, if you just look at that points per game list, he's the tight end too from 2025.

He averaged almost 13 points per game and have PVR. But guess what? He had a 9.6% target rate. He was very reliant on touchdowns in the eight. He scored six touchdowns in eight games. And I don't know if I necessarily want to trust that next year when he's getting 10% of the targets. It's like one of those things I don't want to play.

whack him all season and not know what I'm going to get from him. He's coming off an injury. So I'm going to be out on Tucker Kraft too probably, even though I think he's a really good player. D.K's, Craig's skepticism is warranted. However, I have, I've actually learned one or two things doing this entire show. It's that when D.K. is just out on a person because like I actually emotionally don't have space for them to continue to be in my life. He bats really high. Like, D.K. was the first person to be like, Michael Thomas, I can't have this guy in my life. Arthur Smith, yeah. Arthur Smith. Like, D.K. is cutting edge with the I can't, this person and I are no longer going to continue to be together. Yeah. I kind of just, once I get, once I'm out on a player, I kind of just am out. I actually, I want to say, I misspoke on Tucker Graph. He had an 18% target rate in the games he played. So that's definitely more palatable. But I still think the same rule kind of applies is like some games he's going to be the number one receiver. Some games he might get two targets and it's just going to be really hard to figure out which one is which. A couple of the rules I want to revisit here. Starting with this one, I think, worked out.

Craig, this next one here, I think it's a quarterback tattoo. Where is this one on your body, Craig? This one is, you know, like the stereotypical, like, heart my mom on the shoulder. That's where this one is. Yeah, yeah. It says, get you a man that can do both. And, you know, they refers to quarterbacks who can pass and run.

However, I wanted to revisit this because we've been doing the show for five seasons. I think we're going on season six. Is that right? Even back then, 2019, 2020. there was like a handful of guys who were real runners. And now there's like a dozen of them who there were nine quarterbacks this year who ran for four more touchdowns. There were 14 quarterbacks this year who averaged more than three fantasy points per game from rushing. And I'm almost like, you know, there was no quarterback who ran for more than 600 yards this year.

And so it's like this kind of almost flattened range of quarterbacks that can run from your Josh Allen and Drake May burst onto the sea. obviously Lamar and Jane Daniels, but then you keep working your way down and you have Caleb Williams and Trevor Lawrence scored a lot of touchdowns this year. You have Jackson Dart, Jalen Hurts still runs, you have Bo Nix, Mahomes is still very mobile. Do you guys still feel that

it's worth attacking the elite rushers? Are you like, hey, honestly, they all kind of rush now? This is a good question. Basically, the question is, is late round quarterback back? Yeah. You know what I mean? Because the pendulum has now swung.

We were in that period. of disruption, right, in the late 2010s, where these Russian quarterbacks were kind of mucking shit up. And it was like, holy shit, Lamar Jackson and all these guys are changing things specifically for fantasy and in the NFL, but mainly for the purposes of this show, for fantasy. And now it's like, well, things have evened out a little bit where there are all the new quarterbacks coming to the league like Bo Nix and Jackson Dart and all these guys

where the next generation of quarterbacks are dual threat. And so 10 years from now, we might just have 32 Jackson Darts and Josh challenges and Drake May's in the NFL? And are we close to that now? I think you definitely still want a running quarterback. I think, yeah, the question is, do you wait for a running quarterback? I think to your point. And again, a good example is Drake May. We were like, why are we pretending just put Drake May 9th solely? Because we talked about the supply and demand of there's 10 quarterbacks you could take, but only Drake May has the upside with the rushing to be really high. And honestly, there's probably our best call the whole season was just, fuck it.

We're going to put a May 3rd or 9th in our race. Everybody had him high and it worked out. He was like the ultimate, every fantasy person wanted, like thought Drake May was going to explode in He did. And it was worked out even better than any. The rare thing where everyone who had everyone had him high, everyone was right, and yet no one actually went far enough in how good he would be to the point where I think it's not controversial. It's say Josh Allen will be our number one quarterback. And honestly, it'll be Drake Mayor Lamar's number two. And like, we'll see. But I think the underlying reason is very simple. It's hard to predict who's going to have the most passing stats because it's not the same as being a good quarterback. Because passing stats

requires, frankly, either you being like Matt Stafford or your defense being so bad you have to throw all the time. It's hard to predict. That's all it is. It's like we know the pool of people it could be. Rushing's different. We know who can run. Like we know there is no surprise Jared Goff 11 touchdown season. We know all the quarterbacks who can run really well or run enough to score. And so, I mean, go down the, if you guys want to go down the list, I kind of want to do with you guys. I didn't even mention Justin Herbert, who was second in the NFL and rushing that quarterback.

We can just do it. I think the top quarterbacks job. And then I think it's going to be Drake May or how you feel about Lamar Jackson. You guys seem to hate Lamar and be totally out on him. Not in fantasy. But I think Josh and Drake May and Lamar and whatever, like, you know, Josh, Lamar, Drake, whatever. But like, we'll see. But then I think Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, Lamar Jackson, Trevor Lawrence, Trevor Lawrence can run.

Herbert. Joe Burrow is the, Joe Burrow is the only guy that gets the perma passing, uh, the pocket passer statue guy, because the Bengals defense is so bad. But then it's like Jackson Dart hurts if they don't ban the tush push. and Bo Nix, but he is off a broken ankle. And then it's just like, pick your pocket passers, Stafford, Mahomes, Dak, Purdy. I mean, Herbert, I guess, can run more. But I do think it's deep enough that you can wait.

I really do. I mean, I think it's still similar. I think it's similar enough to last year where you're chasing a higher floor with the Josh Allen's, with the Lamar Jackson's, Jane Daniels, because they run, because they're going to get you five plus fantasy points a game just from running. And then we're going to have very likely, and this happens every year, there's probably going to be like three or two or three, quote unquote pocket passers who just have a great year and pass for 35, 40 touchdowns. And it's going to be maybe it'll be Brock Purdy. Maybe it'll be Dak Prescott.

Maybe it'll be, you know, one of these like Jared Goff or something where he throws for 40 something touchdowns last year. It's going to be hard to predict. But I do think if you miss out on one of the quote unquote running quarterbacks, I think a good strategy for this year's for this next year's draft. is just take two pocket passers late, and hopefully one of those guys will have an above average year. Like Stafford this year, he had a MVP season, and he was awesome.

But it is kind of hard to predict. Can I? Yeah. Can I say something crazy to you guys that I just feel based on what we've talked about? If you combine what we were talking about with offenses and coaches and trajectories and just basically a lot of what we're saying

and the reason we do this is what we're trying to tell ourselves in nine months is don't look past the most important things. And if you look at that, in terms of what I was saying before about like trajectory, where are these guys going? Let's say Josh is the number one quarterback. People, I kind of don't think Lamar will be the second quarterback off the board because I think people have so much. Maybe people will forget, but let's just, fine, say it's Lamar. And then Drake May as the top three guys.

I kind of think Caleb Williams and Trevor Lawrence should be fourth and fifth. And I will probably have them ranked that way. And that will not be consensus and people will have mathematical arguments for why I'm wrong. I kind of don't care because at the simplest level, I don't know if there will be any pushback on that. Who's going to be ahead of those guys? Well, that's the only guy that I would push back, I don't know.

The only guy that I would push back and I, and I'm just thinking about it now, the guy who's probably going to be overrated going into next season is Trevor Lawrence. You think Lawrence will be overrated? Yeah, because he had nine rushing touchdowns. But that's my point is people are going to say that overgress. He's not going to have nine. He's going to have like three next year.

No, but that's the thing. People are going to say that's regress. Trevor Lawrence is fast, but no one thinks he is because he's six foot six. white and his long blonde hair, but I'm like, he can run. He runs all the time. And I think Liam Cohen's always kind of encouraged his quarterbacks to run more. Like even Baker ran more when he was under Liam Cohen. And I look at it as the only quarterbacks that are really young and talented with number one overall potential, Caleb and Trevor Lawrence are getting

a full off season with their coaches. Josh Allen, his coordinator became head coach, but then you look at the rest of the list down. You're like, okay, Jane Daniels has Cliff Kingsbury left Washington, so he's a new coordinator. Lamar is a new head coach and coordinator. Jackson Darts going to have a whole new staff. Jalen Hertz might have the same coordinator, which is not really. But like whatever is going with the Eagles, like that's a mess over there. And you're doing the list, Bo Nix, that staff was a little shaken up. You know what's going on?

All the other rushing quarterbacks are mobile guys. It's a total, like, you're hoping that a new staff gives them a step forward. But like, we expect Caleb and Trevor Lawrence to get better because now they're spending a full year in these offenses. So I kind of think you could convince me Caleb and Trevor Lawrence could go over. Lamar, I wouldn't think you're crazy. I'm going to be all in on Caleb. And honestly, I'm probably going to be all in on Justin Herbert. But I think what we're basically saying is that the top tier of quarterback now is a little bit deeper.

And that it's like six, seven, eight guys deep, you kind of be okay with. And there's not the, you have to get Joshua Lamar. That's kind of maybe not the case. The big four. You also could be the last person to get your quarter. Think about it this way. Let's just say I'm going to be last. You can get literally Bonix or Patrick Holmes or.

Dak Prescott last and then pair them with Brock Purdy or Justin Herbert. Like the list of quarterback, you literally might get Matt Stafford last as the quarterback. Like whatever the list is, just pull up the top 15 quarterbacks and look how easy it is to get two of the last five guys. And you're like, it's totally fine. So I think to answer DK, your question at the beginning is I do think late round quarterback is kind of back. I think Josh Allen is like consensus. He's never screwed me. So I'm going to draft him every year. And after that, it's like, hey, two through 10, you can be all right. I can't believe

Frickin Lamar averaged 16 points a game He ruined my life I mean I think he's gonna bounce back But that was so disappointing So DK the next tattoo you've had Is we ride with the wildhugs You representing the old guys Yeah yeah I think

This is something that happens You know, I play a lot of dynasty Fantasy and the thing is like Trying to do the Belichick and sell Before they get too old where they lose all their value But then half the time you sell these guys And then they have like three more great seasons Derek Henry is the perfect example.

Hifez tried to trade me Derek Henry before the fantasy playoffs, and then Derek Henry got him a championship when I said no. So the thing is... Everybody that I offered him to said no, and anybody who accepted it would have won, so I won. Yeah, Hifetz fucking won the league. So I think what I'm saying with the ride with the Wildhogs thing is it's so much harder to displace an established, entrenched veteran

than people think it is. We do this every year. This guy's going to come in. and he's going to make so and so irrelevant. And then Mike Evans is still, you know, 1,000 yards and 10 touchdowns or whatever. Christian McCaffrey, you're probably going to talk about how old he is

and how he didn't look quite as fast this year all offseason. And then he's still going to get 300 touches. So I think there's definitely shades of gray in here where, you know, the Travis Kelsey is the world. They're probably not going to be back on Travis Kelsey if he plays again, things like that. But I do think guys like Derek Henry, CMC, I bet you, Sequin will have a huge big bounceback season.

probably be all over Sequel this year, just because people are kind of, I think, lower on him than usual. And I just think it's still so much harder to get rid of these old Wiley vets than people think it is. I think it's really simple. If you haven't seen the cliff yet, then it's not, you don't have to worry about it coming. Like we saw Travis Kelsey at a cliff this year. It's not coming back, but we haven't seen it with certain people. So don't worry about it. Yeah. So I think generally I'm still going to be in on this. I think this year was maybe a little less of a strong case for it than usual, but I still feel pretty strongly about this.

Yeah, we'll go through. Devante Adams, Mike Evans will be 33 this year. Stefan Diggs will be 33 this year. Derek Henry just turned 32. McCaffrey turns 30 in June, Sake 1's 29. It's a test of whether people can stare at those numbers and not worry about it.

You know, Tom Cruise, still making people go to the box office. Still doing all his own stunts. It is that simple. We joke about it, but I kind of think we nailed it. It's if it was called 29 and 5, it wouldn't worry about it.

But it's called, you know, 29 and 4. It's fine. But yeah, 33 sounds scary. But like it doesn't matter. Can we start saying that I'm 29 and 2? I would love that. Yeah, 29. Craig's 29 and 2.

Great. D.K. The last one we have, and then we got to go to a poll right through the season that we're going to make tattoos. We have hold rookie receivers. This one is the one that failed us the most this year. Yeah.

And this is the first time in like six or seven years where it really didn't pay off. And this is hold on to your rookie receivers, even when they're not really doing a whole lot in the beginning of the season. Where is this tattoo? This one is, you know, like on my side, on my rib cage. Oh, yeah. And cursive.

Yeah, because it's painful right there. You remember that shit. So basically every year over the last six or seven years, if you hold on to these rookie quarterbacks or rookie receivers, it usually pays off. You got like Justin's, Jaylon Waddle, some of these guys that have massive, massive second half of the season, even though they're like not doing a whole lot in the first half of the season.

We didn't really see that this year, honestly. This rookie class, this rookie receiver class, kind of disappointed, I would say. A meccaabuka, a mecca in the beginning of the year looked amazing. And then he was like the wide receiver four on his team by the end of the season. It was very bizarre. It was like the inverse of this rule. I think Ted McMillan was good. He did, you know, he had over a thousand yards, but he wasn't going to be the type of guy that won anybody their league.

Luther Burden, I think he's looking interesting. But again, he wasn't actually that useful in fantasy. Matthew Golden, absolute no-show, didn't do anything, unfortunately. One good catch in the playoffs just to rope me back in for next year. Yeah. So I still look at this. I think this was probably a bit of an outlier season in terms of that rule. But I am quite, I'm less confident in it going.

No, no. We remain unwavered. You have to hold strong with this take because it has been right most of the time. All right. So next year's class, we'll get into all the receivers going into the draft next year. But I think there are some good receivers, some guys that could be productive and fantasy. But yeah, this rule did kind of let us down in 2025. I think it's just as simple as second year receivers.

We used to be the thing is like, look at second year guys, and we should just like go back to that. I think a lot of the last year's rookie receivers will probably be fine. I didn't really do, I didn't do a deep dive on this. It's just more impression. But I wonder if we did sort of reach a tipping point of receiver talent in the NFL where there's actually quite a lot of really good young receivers in the NFL. And it's harder to kind of find.

a high volume role when you have so many receivers. And teams started playing multiple tight ends way more. That's true. You can't like, that's also rookie receivers are getting on the field and three receiver sets and suddenly are like, oh, well, we're going to go more two tight ends sets. And I think you saw that the rookies are the guys that are not getting on the field. Yeah.

All right. Let's get into Polaroids. These are things that we, lessens we have from this season that I think we need to discuss and decide if it's going to be a tattoo. And I want to start with, I don't know what this one means. I wrote this down. You have no memory of it. actually do. I'm serious. I do write these down in a note all season and I saved this episode.

The number, this is true. The number one thing I wrote down and I wanted you guys to help me. I just, it says, listen to these tattoos, you idiot, I'm trying to help you. I'm trying to help you. What do you guys think that means? You wrote this in a moment of despair. Something bad happened. I don't know. I can't pinpoint what it was. Yeah, could be anything. I think, I don't know. We, we talk, this is the reason we do this episode is because we ignore all. the fucking once you get into that draft you see some shiny new toy you want to grab it but yeah

you don't remember what a this was it like Tony Pollard has had his like 10th straight disappointing game and you're like why did I do this none of my tattoos told me to take him a true story I write things down all season and I put I open it for the show and I was like this was the top of the list it's like oh my

you gotta get into the metadata and like pinpoint what day it happened I should the other one I had for this season I just wrote down believe you're eyes. And like, you know, everyone had that George Orwell quote this year, like the party told you reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final most essential command. I think George Orwell learned that playing fantasy football. Because it's really, this is about August where like, I'm like, there are all these things people are going to try to tell you, like, they're going

to tell you don't remember anything you saw. Don't worry about what you heard. And they're going to be like, Derek Henry, 32 is the oldest running back in the NFL. And I'm like, I saw with my eyes that Derek Henry destroyed everybody in December and January again and anybody who had Derek Henry in the fantasy players won their title. I saw it. I can't unsee it. I won't. I refuse to. I don't give people like, well, Keith Mitchell will take his, I don't care. I don't care. And I just, I don't get a shit about Pete Mitchell. Everyone said his name. Everyone's going to memory hole like Trayon Henderson. Everyone's going to try to bury Romantrey Stevenson in a ditch like he doesn't exist. Trivion and Henderson, no, the full off season. And I'm like, I don't give a shit. Romantry

Stevenson was better than Trayvion Henderson at the end. I saw it with my eyes. He was a better player. He's not going anywhere. I don't care. I witnessed with my eyes your testicles on my drum set. You can't forget that shit. I was watching cops. I witnessed with my eyes, your testicles on, so did we all. We all saw that too. This is Michael Wilson and Marvin Harrison Jr. People are going to try to rank Marvin Harrison next year higher than Michael Wilson. I saw Michael Wilson's testicles. I saw Michael Wilson's testicles on Marvin Harrison's drum set. I witnessed with my eyes. I agree with you.

It's a tale's oldest time. Trust your eyes. Trust your eyes. It's anti-lytics. Anti-lytic. You cannot convince him Michael Wilson should be drafted behind Marvin Harrison Jr. The other one is, again, Travis Hunter, who I know that I was the number one person

to love the Travis Hunter. But after watching the Jaguars, it is so obvious to me, he's their fourth receiver. They paid Jacoby Meyer's $60 million a year. coming off the field. Brian Thomas can't play cornerback. He's not coming off the fucking field. Like those three guys are the top of the receivers. Travis Hunter's like the best fourth receiver in the NFL. He should practice with the defense. And if one of those guys gets hurt, Travis Hunter should slot in. But he needs to practice with the defense. He's coming off a knee

injury. And I'm like, people are going to be like, oh, Travis. Like, no, those three guys are playing. I don't give a shit what anyone says about Parker Washington. Like, I saw it. I saw it. This is a, this is a brutal example because I'm 100% going to not believe my eyes on this one. You know what I mean? Yeah, they used to draft cap. Make the tattoo bigger. This is the hardest example because I love Parker Washington. Parker Washington is awesome.

Everything you did to close out the season, I'm like, this guy's fucking awesome. I don't know why they can't, weren't playing him earlier. But also, in my heart, I believe they're going to plop him right back on the bench and play Travis Hunter. No fucking. They trade it up to number two to fucking draft him. That's what everyone's going to say. I guarantee you. Let's make a bet.

Let's make a bet because I think you're going to be wrong on this one. Receiver snaps week one for the Jaguars. Not week one. The whole season. Why are we talking about week one? I don't know. It seems. You want to do the whole season?

Sure. Yeah, because you play a football, you play fantasy football for a whole season. The bet should be if everyone is healthy, where does Travis Hunter rank in terms of Jacksonville's wide receiver snaps? I think they're going to, the sunk cost thing is too too strong for them. They don't want to look like idiots.

I will take that. They should just trade him now. I love Parker Washington, too. This pains me to do this. But I think. But here's the thing. Why? Why would they play Travis Hunter of Parker Washington?

Because the offense, Trevor Lawrence are the very obvious reasons. They traded two first to go fucking get him. Yeah. And then Parker Washington is better. So he'll play defense. I feel like we shouldn't say they traded two first. When if you watch the NFL, people fucking stick to their, to draft capital for so long? I, it's, this is the whole thing.

It's like there's no way, like the, the Jaguar's offense down the street. I mean, what did we say Trevor Lawrence? the most fantasy points in the history of the fantasy football playoffs, the final three weeks of the season? Yeah. I think tweaking it. I think DK. I think the difference is.

I think generally you're right. Like the Warriors refusing to trade Jonathan Kaminga for five years is because the owner was like, I don't want to admit that I made the long pick. But because Travis Hunter can also just play corner, I feel like it's different. If he was just a wide receiver, I might agree with you. But he can just play corner. You know what the Jags need?

A fucking cornerback. Yeah. I want Heifitz to be right. I do. I truly do because I really do honestly like Parker Washington. Also, I don't think we can say that I don't like that it's that we say that Jaguars traded two first round picks. Whatever it is they traded. Because they didn't.

Okay, my bad. Whatever it is they traded. They traded a lot to go get this guy. Well, they swapped picks and then traded next year's first. So technically they did like two first round picks were traded. But I feel like you got to say they traded one. It's a first. Well, it's the first and a second.

Sure, sure, sure. But I know a swap should not be factored in. A first and a second to swap. But what was the number? Second overall, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

They moved up from five to two, right? The other players that just want to short like players that I'm like, I just think we've seen enough. Like they're going to, I don't care what people say in August. Like they're not going to lose playing time. Javante Williams, if he goes back to Dallas is the starter. I don't want to hear anything. Kenneth, if Aaron Rogers goes back to Pittsburgh, Kenneth Gainwell will be exactly. exactly as value.

Oh, one million percent. Same guy. Kennewell might be the best player in the NFL. Believe your eyes on that. God, I hope he comes back. He became my favorite player. Yeah. Anyway, I just, I believe my eyes.

So there you go. High Fitz generally, I totally agree with you on this, but that example, like, is why I fail at these types of things. I think Hyvitz, you have written, the Bears running backs are good ones. Like, that worked. That worked. And I'm good with drafting them again. DeAndre Swift and Kaumanungai were fantastic.

Camar Dekai for the Titans. It's like they'll bring in a number one. Camar Deky is the number two. Camar Dicay might be better than whoever they bring in as the number one receiver next year. He was incredible. Another guy who's a trust your eyes guy, although he did get hurt. But long term, like, Quinn Sean Judkins is good.

Yeah, it's weird that he like broke his leg late in the year, which is sucks because everything else suggests that he was going to be a really good pro and he was really good immediately. I don't know what to do with a player on the Cleveland Browns who broke his leg. But he went under the radar. because the Browns were terrible, nobody watched them, but Judkins was quietly very good.

Any Jaguars, the Jaguars starting running back, if they let ETN go in free agency, then Bachel Tutin have seen enough. Like, he's, like, I don't want to hear anything else. You know, he's another guy who I just know as good.

I think Blake Corum's good. I think he's better than Kyron was. He's just good. And he will take that job this year. Is it bad that I can never tell the difference between Kyron and Corum? That's a compliment to Blake Corum. Right.

And, you know, half the time it's Corum running, I'm like, oh, Kiron, look good there. And I was like, Oh, that was Coram. And then vice versa. I'm like, oh, Corrin's good. Oh, that was Kyran.

It's some of the best analysis you have is when you actually are intently watching and you get confused. Like I knew Seekwan was not recovered from like a high ankle spread years ago. And everyone's like, what's going on? I'm like, I'll tell you what's going on. When he's in, I'm like, oh, Wayne Galman. Why is he? I'm like, oh, that's Sequin.

Like, that's bad. I remember so many of those moments where I was like, ooh, there we go. Seekwan, he's got it back. Oh, fuck. That was Galman. Wow, he's really got burst. Damn it. That's like that is one of the best tests there is.

Yeah. So yeah. The other one just, I think this covers a lot of things we talked about. But I just the end, I think we should get this tattooed. Just buy the dip. It's simple. It's by the dip. Like last year you bought the dip in Christian McCaffrey.

It worked. Like you buy the dip on all these players. It's the hardest thing to do. So like McCaffrey was the guy. Warren Buffet right here, baby, right? Yeah. Everyone's being a little bitch than fucking going. for it and when everyone's just being reckless, then you just don't.

And it's like, I can tell you right now who I think by the dip on. Number one is Lamar Jackson because he's Lamar Jackson and no one's going to want him. Running back, it's a little harder. Sequin probably, Bucky Irving, maybe. Sequin's a great one. And Bucky is a, yeah, totally. Bucky, there's going to be, I've already seen so many tweets of Bucky's stats, his rookie season versus second season, where everything on this first season was, you know,

efficiency, total. whatever. It was like first, first, second, third, first. And then his second season was like, out of 43 qualifying running backs, 42, 41st, 43rd, like he was one of the worst running backs in the NFL. All of a sudden, I think it was probably just he was hurt. Also, the run game situation, yeah, with the coaching. Liam Cohen, it's everything. Liam Cohen went to the Jacksonville and those guys went better, but then the Bucson line got hurt and Bucky was hurt. So it's like, when you've perfect storms like that, the Eagles will see, because part of me wants to see if the Eagles will be a disaster again. Part of me is like, Seekuan's,

going to be somewhere between last year and the year before. So there's probably a value. I will say, though, the ultimate buy the dip this season's going to be a receiver. Yeah. Yeah. All the initial guys, Brian, BTJ, AJB, like Brian Thomas Jr. Like, I'm telling you right now that's a buy the dip guy. A.J. Brown.

We'll see what happens with the Eagles. That one's a little harder because it seems like these guys suck to draft. I know, but that's the point. I hate drafting these guys. Yeah. DJ Moore for the Bears. It's going to be Luther Bird and Mania. D.G.

Moore is a better player. He's a more complete player. He's more polished. He's a pro. And Luther Bird is still learning the ropes. And I'm like, DJ Moore is going to fly under the radar compared to Luther Burton and DJ Moore's going to be better. The other one, Roma Dunesay as well is going to fly super under the radar. And I'm like, you know what? Throw it out. He had a foot injury. He could barely walk. Like, I just, I don't care. He's a really talented player. I'm just going to blindly take him. Like, it just, I think there's a lot. And also I think the number, the top by the dip guys for me, though, are going to be Brock Bowers. And then If you, like, one of late tight ends, can be David and Joking.

Bowers, there's going to be no value in Bowers. Bowers. Bowers will be immediately back to the company. I think Bauer's, we'll see where he ends up, but I think Bauer's... I think he's going to be tight end one in rankings. No, I think Trey will be definitely be the number one guy. I don't know if that's... I mean, who's the quarterback, people don't know. We'll see.

Well, the quarterback they had to go over set. I think McBride will be number one. I think Bauer is just going to be like 18th or 20th pick, and I think that's like, I think Bowers is... I hate this. I don't think I'm going to get this tattoo. I know. I was going to say, High Fitz is going to be buying the dip on all of us in these leagues because I'm not drafted any of these fucking guys. You know what? David and Jok is the perfect example of this for me. David and Jok is the perfect example. Like he's going to be incredible.

There's no way to hell. Brian Thomas, A.J. Brown or D.J. Moore are going to be on any of my teams. You couldn't fucking pay me to draft A. I am out for life. I understand it. I just, I don't know. This is why it's the right call for Hifis. I'll buy the dip on a guy that I didn't have last year. Then I'll buy the dip on those guys. We should probably, another way to do the last two rules we're talking about is, what if last season was the only thing you knew? What would you do? And then what if last year had literally never happened? Yeah. And like those two lists where it's like Brian Thomas, AJ Brown,

like, where are these guys if you literally never saw last season? If you never saw last season, AJ Brown's like the wide receiver five. Yeah. And if you did watch last season, he's like the wide receiver's 25. If you only saw last season, he's not drafted. You wouldn't take him. D.K., where do you think A.J. Brown finished in points per game last year? 40th.

Oh, no. Among receivers, like 24th. 12th. Yeah, it didn't feel that way. He was 50th and then like fourth, right? It sure didn't feel that way. 12th is maddening. Because you were like, the first 10 weeks of the season, you were like two and eight with him.

Yeah, yeah. And so it didn't even matter what happened the rest of the year. But he did come back. But also, wait, do you have that list in front of you? Or just AJ Brown. Can I have it? You know what the funniest one on that list to me I was going through is where is Zayflowers

on the list of total points? Oh, total points or per game? Total. Total. Because AJ Brown was 12th per game. Where's Zayflowers? And he played 15 games. You want per game or total?

Both. Per game, he was 14th, 11.7 per game. And total he was seven. That's fucking crazy because nobody would say say Flowers liked one's fucking second of it and it should be a reminder to not use total points because the Zayflowers being seventh and total points for his year. Is that really where he is?

Seventh. That feels impossible. Yeah, well, because he played 17 games. Dude, here's the thing. Did you guys have Zay Flowers any teams last year? I'd never had my... I was out on him all year. That motherfucker runs horizontally more than any player.

Like, there's the ratio of how fast you are to how many yards you were running horizontally. There's nobody that's higher... He's so messy. Dude, you know who... Just get up field. So here are the top five. last year. They all make sense. And total points. Puka, JASN, Amonra, Jamar Chase was fourth.

George Pickens was fifth. Guess who was sixth? Right above Zay Flowers. Somebody we pretty much didn't discuss all yet. I just looked. I'm not going to say. Olve? Yeah. Chris Olafe, just the wide receiver six. Dude, that's cool. Is he going to be a, is he going to be a good buy next year? Is he going to be overpriced, do you think? I don't think he's going to be overpriced. He'll be exactly properly priced. Okay. We won't. We won't. We won't. We won't. talk about. That's an example of like Rattler was bad and then Shuck came in. And like basically Olave was the centerpiece of the offense and Rattler couldn't really do it. But then Shuck came in, had a weird start, but then Shuck actually got it going and Ollavi started

hitting everything. As long as we're on this, do you think Pickens is going to be overpriced too? Or do you think pickens is properly priced? I would almost say he's closer to properly priced. Hmm. Assuming he's back with Dallas. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So let's see here. So don't buy the dip. That's that's what you guys want to do. No, no, no. I agree and buying the dip, all these players you list that I will not be buying that thing. When you look individually, you're like, I don't want to do any of these. I will probably buy the dip on Romadouza. I agree. I agree with Roma Dunez. I agree with Lamar, Sequin, and Bucky. Lomorne was hurt. And so like, I can talk myself into that. A.J. Brown and whatever the fuck is going on with him and the Eagles,

I don't know if I want that again. We'll see. DJ Moore. I legitimately cut from my team. I'm not doing DJ. Last year. But again, I'm like, I'm out on DJ. We should stress. This is all about when there's. like DJ Moore, no one's going to draft DJ Moore. So it's like Hyve it's getting Michael Pittman. DJ Moore is going to be the new Michael Pittman. He'll be sitting there in the ninth. That's a good call.

And then no, everyone's going to be like, oh, I'm going to go after, you know, whatever cool rookie somebody took. And instead you should just take DJ Moore. There's a reason there's a dip though. And the overarching point here is a lot of these are grossish players, players that that's why there's a dip. And it's kind of scary to buy a dip. People thought McCaffrey was gross last year.

I mean, I think Brian Thomas Jr. A.J. Brown and D. more fucking gross. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And I'm saying the reasoning for those guys is Brian Thomas was misfit in the office. We'll talk. We have all a year to talk of this. But that's exactly what I'm talking about.

It's when multiple things go wrong for a player that's indisputably talented. And as he was in the wrong part of the role, they switched him. Then he got hurt. He came back from injured reserve. And then they had a new thing going. He's a whole off season. And now they know how they want to use him. It's like, that's the definition of me of someone that you should get.

He's 24. On this list, I think the two guys. that I would be willing to take a chance on are Brian Thomas Jr. and Roma Dunesay, I would not want to for A.J. Brown and DJ Moore. That's fine, because the underlying point is all these guys are spectacularly talented. Sure. And people hate them. Anyway, so what are the other polarites you guys have? Things you're debating getting a tattoo. I'm debating getting a tattoo, but I don't even know what the tattoo is, which is why I'm here with you boys. What is the Jonathan Taylor Colts lesson?

Just write a question on yourself. Yeah, like do more research on this. I don't know. Jonathan Taylor was the best running back in fantasy football and took the world by storm for eight weeks. And the lesson then was like, man, if a guy has already been the number one player in fantasy football and he's still under 27 years old,

maybe don't write that guy off. And then, I mean, I have it. Jonathan Taylor had scored 17 touchdowns by week 10 last year. And then he had three the rest of the season and was the running back 23 for the final eight weeks of the season. So it's like the entire Colts lesson. What is the lesson? What do we take away from any of that? Sometimes there is no lesson.

Well, no, it's, it's, I think that pretending, and as the person who had Jonathan Taylor in the ringer league, I think pretending that like, well, it was easy to see coming is. a little ridiculous. Like, I... Not easy to see, Kelly. I think, yeah, there's elite talent and, like, they're so many elite talent. I think the real, when you look at it, and again, the next episode we're doing after this

is the first-round picks. And I thought Jonathan Taylor is weird to rank, because, again, to Craig's point, first 10 weeks of the season, Jonathan Taylor had 100 more points than Bejan Robinson. A hundred more points than he had 17 touchdowns by week 10.

Then he was behind Zach Charbonnet from that point on. And he was not... The hard part about Taylor is, he had very average receiving production. I mean, he wasn't like a high-end receiving. This is what happened. No, this is what happens to our brains when we get away. I don't think it's the receiving.

I think that it's fucking Daniel Jones broke his leg, cracked it, then towards Achilles, and it was Phil Rivers coming in. And the offense, ever since Daniel Jones broke his leg, couldn't move, the offense like cratered. So I think the lesson to me is elite players always have ceiling when they're healthy. And I think things happen in the offensive. line and stuff. Braden Smith came back. He had up like a mental health real issue. He came back in full strength. It was hard to see that coming.

He's an older player. The line jelled. But I think the real lesson to me is actually applying Jonathan Taylor to Bejohn Robinson next year. Bejohn Robinson, we're debating. You see the first pick in fantasy. But what happens to Bejohn if Michael Pennix gets hurt? And there's like a Phil Rivers situation in Atlanta. I think that's the question. Maybe it doesn't matter because Bejohn's such a good receiver as a running back and better than John. Maybe it doesn't matter. But I think it's more, the lesson is, It doesn't matter how good someone's doing. When the quarterback situation just melts, it can go away.

Predicting it for a guy outside the top 15th one is hard. But that's almost where I'm thinking is like which quarterback situation is most likely to implode of all the top running backs. And I look at that for Devon H.N where it's like, who's the quarterback in Miami? And I look at that for Bejohn. Like what happens if Michael Pennix all three ACL injuries has a fourth? Which isn't fun, but. Yeah, it's like there's like two lessons here. There's like one about Jonathan Taylor specific.

for his talent, what he's done in the past, relying on him, betting on him. And then also, like, was it even possible to know that the cults would be good? Here's my thing. No, but this is going back to two seconds ago when you, like, just saying, like, a reminder of, you guys just said,

like, I'll never have A.J. Brown on my team. In a vacuum, A.J. Brown's a top what receiver? Ten. In real life. No, in real life. Ten. Seven. That's my point. Yeah, fine. That's my point, though.

Seven. Seven to ten. Seven to ten. I would say he's a top six, top seven guy. I think that he's like right there. You always do the six seven thing. Sick, fuck,

whatever. God, I do. That's actually, it's like a brainworm. But my point being, that's why I'm saying, AJ Brown's about the date.

Because everyone's saying, everyone's going to be like, fuck that guy. And I'm like, AJ Brown might be on a different team next year. And then I might change my mind. Like everyone's saying fuck that guy. Even the fuck that guy's season,

he was the top 12 guy in points because he had multiple hundred yard games after everyone gave up on him. but he's a real life top seven at its position. Jonathan Taylor is the same thing. He's a real life top seven player at his position and just never let those guys fall that much. I think to me that's the lesson. It's like when people are still in their prime,

details, don't worry about it. So what's the tattoo? How long is it? Is it paragraph tattoo explaining what happens? Find the Jonathan Taylor lesson. Find meaning in this. Yeah, yeah. I think it's something along.

This is something along the lines of draft elite players. And then you couldn't have known it was going to be an elite offense, but... Draft good players and sometimes you get lucky. Yeah. If a guy who was previously considered the best running back in the NFL is still under 27 years old and he's going outside of the top two rounds, draft him. I just think it doesn't have to be a running back thing. I think it's a player thing.

And that's why I kind of look at AJ Brown. Where was James Cook going last year? Like 30. 25th. He's another kind of interesting example of this. It's like we were thinking... 28th. We were thinking he would be...

The touchdown regression would immediately go back to almost nothing. Oh, yeah. Led the NFL in touchdown. You know, that's a mini tattoo that I... Ignore touchdown regression predictions. I don't do that. Well, can we do all those players who have the exact same season? I'm out on stats.

No, I... Craig, can we do this right now? players that will people talk about regression of the exact same thing. Trevor Lawrence will also have nine rushing touchdowns again. Colby Parkinson will also have nine receiving touchdowns again. And then James Cook will like basically probably lead the league in rushing and have 16 touchdowns again. Devonte Adams

will have 14 touchdowns again receiving for sure. Because you know why? You know what the only thing everybody who analyzes the football said last offseason? The only thing all fans and all analysts said, well San Darnal won't win 14 games again. I think everybody said

that sentence at some point. Yeah. So I actually, that's a little mini, I'm gonna do that below my left eye. Ignore regression. Bet on the outliers. While we're on the,

when we're on the Jonathan Taylor thing, though, and just the whole like, what's the lesson from this? I think, Craig, you mentioned injuries in like Stafford and McCaffrey and like just,

I think that's another situation where like, what are we, what's the takeaway here? Midway through the season, I kind of, I wrote down the tattoo, the potential tattoo of like, so if it's August in the injury situation sounds dire or they're coming off something bad and you're worried about it,

do you does ignore it if the guy's really talented and in a great situation like with McVehr or with Shanahan? And you know what? I don't think so. I think they were outliers and you should still not go after guys who have injuries that sound really bad, to be honest. This is good. This is good because my natural inclination, Craig, is to be, is to stick my head in the sand and be like, no, no, no, no, no. He's going to be fine. It'll be fine. Don't worry.

Basically, my whole philosophy with injuries is like he'll be fine and then most of the time it's not fine. So this is actually a good. This is a great rule, especially because Matt Stafford just won the MVP, you know. I mean, Stafford won the MVP and McCaffrey won the fantasy MVP, effectively. And yet, I don't know. If Derek Henry's 35 years old and is coming off bilateral Achilles tendonitis, I probably won't draft him. I think that's okay. I think it's the problem is like you can't pretend to know too much about any injury. But I think the Stafford McCaffrey thing is they were chronic injuries that were being managed. The McCaffrey thing, the reason I was so hard to make, you know, blind squirrels. But the reason I think I was so aggressive, I was so

that McCaffrey should probably be the number one pick or just be a top top five pick you should take him was that I think the part everyone had like over or underthought was that he got a year off like he barely played like he didn't take all these other hits like all these other things like his whole like the Niners were treating him like he's fully healthy it wasn't like the year before where the Niners were like yeah we're worried he's not practicing the Niners were like we're giving him a totally full

workload the Niners we're not worried about it we were worried about it because of you know we worried about the previous season so I think that it's like sometimes you don't know. Sometimes there's a Bucky Irving situation where you're like, I don't even know if the team was fully aware of what was going on with Bucky Irving the first 40 hours after that happened. But the truth is we'll never know. And so if anything,

I think maybe my lesson is people probably don't know what's going on. And so just lean away and you'll probably be right. I still think one of the most memorable. Like truthfully, when I think of this season in five years, it's going to be that day that Chris McCaffrey was on the injury part in the preseason with a heel injury. We were like, no.

It was the Thursday of week one. It was Jim Carter spit on Dak Prescott and then McCaffrey. High Fitz was like Michael Skye's like, ah, I'm going to kill myself. What's the best? That was funny. I think that truthfully is like one of the most memorable moments

of this last year in fantasy. I was, dude, fantasy is ridiculous because in the Ringer League, I managed to get McCaffrey and Jonathan Taylor and I still didn't make the final. It's just like, Jesus. Yeah, the team that, that one in the team that got last in the same record.

I lost by 90 points in the semis because Mallory had, because Bill cut Matt Stafford and Mallory added him. She had Stafford and Puka and they had 80 points together. And it was on Thursday and I lost. You know what, this game's stupid. That should be a tattoo. This game's stupid. It's all stupid.

Life is pain. Find a new hobby? The tattoo should say don't make fantasy football your only hobby. That's actually really smart. Yeah. Oh my God. Anything. any other polarites you guys have?

I think I'm willing to make it an official tattoo that you should beware of the team that just lost their awesome play caller. I think there was three big examples last year. Tampa Bay, Detroit, and Philly. Two out of the three of those paid off. The lions were actually, even though their season didn't pan out,

from a fantasy perspective, it still kind of was okay. Amonaro was still really good. Jimir Gibbs is still good. Gough was fine. But the bucks were very messy, and the Eagles obviously were an absolute disaster. And so this year going in, D.K.,

we can talk about this all offseason, but Seattle's losing Clint Kubiak. Miami, it lost Mike McDaniel. And don't have a quarterback. And don't have a quarterback. So I do actually really, if you know that a play caller is that good and they leave,

I do think that should affect your opinion of these player standings in fantasy. Absolutely, absolutely. I am, I think one player I'm going to be. Devon A-Chain will be a really interesting conversation this year. 100%. Because he was, you know, I don't think Mike McDaniel made him, but he was definitely a product of Mike McDaniel really having a ton of conviction

that he's a good player and fits in his offense. He catches so many passes on that offense. And I personally think running back receptions are very correlated strongly to like what type of quarterback you have and how willing that quarterback is to rip it downfield or drop it off to a running back. You know what I mean? And so, yeah, that's going to be interesting with A-chan. And I think Seattle is another great example, Craig.

And this is one reason I'm like, I honestly, I'm not sure what to do with JSA next year. I still think he's an elite player, a great player. But, you know, in an offense that's not being run by Clint Kubiak, it's hard to know exactly how high you should be ranking him. Like I think he's one player who's probably going to see statistical fall off next year, especially if they resign Shaheed, if Cup, comes back. There's going to be more, you know, they're, AJ Barners on the rise. Elijah Arroyo didn't really even play that much as a rookie.

Yeah, they're, they're going to be more. I think there's going to be more skill players involved in the, in the passing game this year than we saw early on in the season. So he's a really tough one. I think that's a really good call. I had one that I just thought of that is not fleshed out, but I just want to throw about you guys. And maybe this is already sort of established, but like just looking at the tight ends, the old axiom that young tight ends can't produce in fantasy, it just feels dead. Like it's not a thing anymore.

It's dead. I think that's an excellent call. Axiom or axiom. Axiom. Axiom, my bad. But yeah, I think like Harold Fannan this year coming in and doing what he did was so incredible. Obviously, Brock Bowers, Tray McBride is, he didn't do anything until the second year,

but Tyler Warren was very useful. Colston Loveland is freaking awesome. For the best 12 rookie fantasy seasons ever last like three seasons. I think this is a great point. So I think and then Ronda Gaston, what he did for a hot minute during the season was incredible. It's just it doesn't take as long as it used to to get these tight ends integrated into these offenses.

And so I don't know what the lesson is necessarily. This isn't like a great, I don't think, you know, Kenyon City coming into this rookie class, he might land some more cool. And but it's not going to be like a superstar studded tight end class necessarily. But I just think overall that old sort of thought is dead now. Tide end though this season, it'll be, we've done this for three years now of his tight end deep. But it's like you have Trey McBride and Brock Bowers.

Then it's like the way Colston Loveland played down the stretch in the playoffs. What do you have like 100? He had like some all time tight end games late in the season. Tucker Kraft. I don't know where he goes, but he was the number one guy towards ACL. Then you have like Tyler Warren. It's like a fifth tight end. You know, Harold Fanon who had, I mean, he was, he's basically the number one receiver on the Brown.

Sam LaPorte is like the seventh or eighth tight end, like Dalton Kincaid. Kyle Pitts, who I can't even wait to. He's basically a rookie. Yeah, no, he's like 21 years old. You know, it's like Jason Payton. Yeah, no, it's, forever young. Tideon's probably the most interesting it's been. Of all these tattoos, what do you think is the one that will be most widespread adopted and then will act to go the other way?

Like, is everyone going to say Stafford and McKinck? Kaffrey, we worried about their injuries. And then so don't worry about it. And then we have to worry. Or like, what are the rules where we have to zag because everyone's going to do it versus the rules that no one's going to agree with us on? Like, no one's going to be like, I like these players don't like take them. Part of I think it's the age thing.

I think that's the one that everyone's going to be like, oh, we don't want old players. Probably. Yeah. Do you think everyone's going to agree that quarterback is super deep now and late round quarterback is back? Yes. I absolutely think everyone will agree on that. Yeah.

So maybe we pivot away from that. actually, just take Lamar. It's just Josh Allen and Lamar. Just take Josh and Lamar. Is Jaden Daniels giving me one of the better by the dip players? I mean, he's, oh yeah, yeah. It's not a big,

it's probably not going to be a super big dip because people still know he's awesome, but I mean, he violates two rules. The coordinator situation and offense is like completely unknown, the play caller thing in Washington and there's a little desperation of Dan Quinn. I think Washington missing the playoffs

might get fired as head coach, but Jaden's like talented, he's done it. You're like, he's a lot of conflicting rules. Yeah. That could be an episode we do it August players who are on both sides, like players that rules on both sides to the fence. Yeah, that violate multiple rules or whatever.

Yeah. Hierarchy. Okay. Anything else you guys want to do with tattoos, Polaroids or anything, and then just let a couple things to get out of here. I'm excited to revisit these in the summer. Yeah, that's fun. And again, for those, we are going to open this up like a little time capsule in July and August and we cover, we help you draft your teams in July and August, three, four times a week and then four times a week during the season.

And so we're still going all offseason, trades for agency, everything. So the draft, Danny Kelly, a draft expert here. Hell yeah, I'm working on the draft guide. NFLDraft.3.com. That stuff's all coming. We'll beat the comment a couple of weeks. Before we get out of here, I won, wanted to say, D-Kid, right before the show you text this,

did you guys know that Miles Garrett was dating Chloe Kim? I was vaguely aware of it, but I didn't read into it. I do know that she is 5'3. I look that up. That's a big height disparity. But they're very cute. There was some videos that came out this week. Maybe they were out earlier,

but I saw them this week of him, like, going over and talking to her during games and stuff, a very key relationship. I, Chloe Kim's sick. And she's in the Olympics now. Chloe Kim's sick. He's in Italy watching her. I also, we got a lot of emails about,

well, we could just do this now. This is actually a decent bridge. We started talking about Sean White being cool for snowboarding, and then I've got a good email from people who are saying Sean White, snowboarders hate Sean White. which I can get into that if you want. But then we had somehow in the last episode, not one, but two arguments about Patrick Mahomes

that were totally again. We bookended the show with arguments about Patrick Mahler. In a year where he was the least relevant he's ever been. And a lot of these talk shows on cable TV will do anything to fake an argument and invented argument about Mahomes. We somehow organically disagreed twice. We have a consensus, a bizarre consensus in the email today

on a lot of things. I won the first argument about the chiefs, probably about 60 to 40. And I lost the second argument on the chiefs about 95 to 5. So the first argument was, people thought you guys were kind of not. We thought the chiefs have a better chance

to go into the Super Bowl than the Ravens. For next season. People pretty firmly, that one. Or winning the Super Bowl. I think 90-10 in response, but it wasn't that passionate. I would say people were with me that the Ravens were more likely.

I would say 90-10 people agreed with you guys that Mahomes is not cool, but the fervor did. Honestly, the part that upset me was the disappointment. People were, like, disappointed that I could possibly think Mahomes is cool. He's cool blind. He doesn't even know what's cool. I could count on one hand the number of people.

Your tone deaf and cool deaf. Yeah. I don't think six people weighed in saying Mahomes is cool. And I don't know what happened. I'm ashamed, but I, you got to trust my Kool-Dar. I did. I just got shocked. Cool-dard.

I instantly realized Craig's Kool-Dar. That's a good. We should do that. offseason segment, Kooldar. Yeah, I think we should, it would be actually a fun show just to talk, just to rank people and coolness because it's such as, it is a subjective thing sort of, but not. The funniest was people emailing in earlier being like, high fits you were right about the Ravens thing, they're crazy.

And then replying like 40 minutes later when they got to it, what the fuck are you talking about about behind this? Are you kidding? And then like, like on the same thread when you can tell that they just got. Pulled up. Hold up. circling back on my love. I get so many of those texts where I'm like,

someone's like, oh, you guys got to talk about this. And then later in the show, they're like, oh, sorry, I just caught up. You did talk about that. If it was like boxing, it was like we split the rounds, but you guys had a 10-8 round. I do that all the time with Liz. I'm like, Liz, do you know where my phone is? I can't, I found it. That's so embarrassing.

Hold on, because I do, unless it's like something that we would, don't want to dig into, what is the Sean White thing? I'm actually curious. Oh, no, it's fine. Here, I'll pull it up. So the snowboarders don't think he's cool? No, it was. was actually very eye-opening. And this one I don't feel bad about it. Let me just guess.

He thinks he's cooler than he actually is. He's like skateboarder, snowboarder, plays in a band. It's not trying to be an actor. Beyond that. This is from Sam. S. Bone. Saney. This is again me saying Sean White was cool. And I said he was cooler than Phelps. And Sam said, as a snowboarder and snowboarding fan, I have to let you know that among many professionals and fans, Sean White is considered super lame during several competitions. He's boot grabbed, which means you're supposed to grab the snowboard, not your boot. I guess it's easier. And including his 100 score X games run and his gold medal run in the 2018 Olympics, he basically just said he didn't get penalized for boot grabbing because he's famous. So people like he gets rough differently, they're saying,

and people are bitter about it. He said those instances alone would make it sound like I'm just hating, but worst of all, it does. I can't prove anything about, I know. But Sam says Sean White doesn't care about snowboarding or its culture. They say, again, I can't vet any of this. He says he refuses it to let other riders use his corporate sponsor built half pipes. He treats competitors like enemies. He's used the sport like a job where he just wants to win. It's not really like a camaraderie. I can see this. I can see this 100%. He's kind of like a yeah, corporate, I guess is the right word. He's a corporate snowboarding. The ethos of snowboarding is a little bit like punk music where it's counterculture. It's counter. It's punk establishment. Yeah. And it's and Craig mentioned

this. And I agree 100% with you, Craig on this. Your point, was I think snowboarding in general is just a style sport. The way that you do tricks is arguably just as important as if you could actually do the trick. You know what I mean? The style and grace and coolness that you can do a trick is just as important whether you can fucking land it or not. Skateboarding is kind of similar to that. But I can totally see that because I did feel that way too.

He was in like every competition. He was like the face of the X games. He like it did feel a little bit like he was getting away from. sort of the heart of the sport. That being said, like, obviously fucking really good at it. You know, and he was, I think the other thing that I've always thought about Sean White is he's like really good at multiple sports. He's a good skater, good snowboarder, good musician.

I want to say he didn't surf too, maybe, but yeah. I wonder if there's a tinge of jealousy in there because he basically figured out how to break through the mold and become like a global superstar in his sport and no one else has really figured out how to do that. So that's the thing is regular people see snowboarding. Like, for example, he said, Sam wrote at the end, if you want some examples of stylish and culture forward snowboarders, I'd recommend Zeb Powell, Torstein, Horgmo, Red Gerard, and Hallador Helgaustin. I've never heard of any of those people. Well, that's the issue with all cultures, right? You're like, the people break through. You're like, ah, and then it's like, hey, here are these people. And you're like, I don't know

who those people are. Yeah, I mean, I get it on both sides. Like, if you're a diehard snowboarding fan or you snowboard and you follow the sport closely, I can see how Sean White seems like a corporate sellout, you know, brand manager. But then also he's the only people that like, like my mom could probably name who Sean White was. And you could argue that in that respect, he's a massive success. And like everybody would do that if they could. I don't know. Yeah. I wonder. All right. Before we leave, we have to do it all the people want, which is we got, we asked for teenagers and people in college to email us about clavicular, de jester maxing, et cetera. Did we get anyone who is an actual teenager?

Yes, we did. Nice. So they say. This is from Anonymous. This is from A-Bone. A-Bone. Hello, Unks. Fuck.

You guys are Unks. A-Bone writes, I'm 18 years old. I'm a high school senior. Unks. Does that make me, Gramps? Yeah, you're probably grams. Big protein waffles, a banana guy for breakfast, occasionally some yogurt and granolimics din.

Nice. He says, as a high school senior. Protein maxing. I know, protein maxing. I feel I'm about as adequately equipped to answer your questions as anyone. Not that that says that much. I can tell you that all the kids who know clavicular, or as we call him, clav. I just thought that was funny per parentheses, clav.

AKA clav. We know him mostly from clips on TikTok like the ASU frat leader frame magging him. No one actually watches clavicular streams. I'm pretty sure he's the only person in the world who thinks he's the shit. So the rest of the world, clavicular is just a meme. I also don't know anyone that actually bone smashes, at least not yet. Unfortunately, though, clavicular's lingo is becoming mainstream. The other day, my friends and I were joking about who frame Mogs who.

And I had no clue with the sentence Craig Red meant. Never once have I heard of a moid, a foy, gesture gooning, or SMV. Maybe I don't spend enough time at TikTok. Gooning and maxing, however, are staples of teenage boy vocabulary. Yeah. But did clavicular come up with those terms or did somebody else? I don't know. So Samantha emailed then to explain that moids,

it's not really moids, it's, that's not, or sorry, moids and foids. Floyd's not a female in cell. That's a femme cell. A foyd is just actually a derogatory term for women. I think it's just when 15 year old boys don't like a woman, she's a foid. So I think that, I still don't really know what moid means.

Fem cell. Forgot the fat pots! And this one is from, this one is from Tony at Arizona State. Tebow. Oh shit. And again, this guy's in the fucking. He's in the trenches right now.

This guy's fucking got his ear to the ground. Toadding's just a waste management open at Arizona State. Okay. Yes, seriously. We were there. It is also properly rated event. Yeah, sure. I want to go again.

Yeah, I know. I was a little jealous to see people there this year. I was like, fuck. People were, that is really exactly what you think it is. Tony writes, he says, my name's Tony, my breakfast scrambled eggs with toast and a premier protein shake. Dude, the kids love protein. Protein. Protein maxi.

Protein max. Did you say that already? Yeah. I did. Yes. Tony writes, a student at ASU, I would like to answer the questions presented and give you a little more insight in the situation.

Okay. For one, bone smashing, not a typical practice anymore, but some people actually, I know, breaking jaws to get better jawlines. Is bone smashing unc now? Bone smashing shot and unk. Craig, by the way, every time we say bone smashing, one of the slang terms we used when I was, like, in high school and college was bone smuggling, which is just another way of saying, it's having sex?

Oh, goodness. You bone smuggling? Oh, God. Back in your day, kids had sex bone smuggling, and now it's how we fracture our jobs to get better lines. Anyway, so Tony writes, some people did actually bone smash a couple years ago when looks maxing was still raw.

Looks maxing. For two, when I saw that the tweet Craig, sorry, when I saw the tweet Craig reference, which, what was it again? Oh, I don't, I mean, is like, clivicular getting frame-mogged, is it better?

By an ASU frat later, is that better than it's like Chad fishing? Is that more useful? One thing is. Some more useful. Anyway, Tony writes, the only thing I did not know was SMV,

but everything else is pretty normal speak among people my age, to be honest. I know others who understood this as well. I think jester gooning was made up for this post because gooning mid-gester max in public is not ideal for cortisol levels. Cortisol spiking,

usually a negative because it kills gains. Oh my God. I hate this shit. Foids is a more general term than moids where moids usually just refers to incels. Shata, say, munting, generally among Gen Z, just another form of gooning.

But you guys did get magging correct. And Chad fishing in the way these terms, in the sentence, is just acting like a Chad in the club, not over the phone. And lastly, this ASU-Feing, You know the ASU frat leader, mocked clavicular, is this guy named Varis, and it's a foreign student here who saw an extreme explosion of popularity around campus.

And there are posters and people. Everyone is constantly talking about all this in my classes this week. Wait, so this is Tony who goes to ASU? Tony goes to ASU. I think we should sign Tony to be our Gen Z correspondent. And once a month, he gives us a rundown of what's going on with the teens. Oh, 100%. Tony might be a Genzy course.

This reminds me, can I read a tweet? A bunch of people tag me on this on Twitter. And we're asking for a translation essentially. So Craig, maybe you can do this this time since I'm obviously way too out of the game for the shit. But this one is pretty, pretty good here. Okay, ready? This is from kickflips on Twitter.

Clavicular ran into ASU's top frat leader while Jester Maxing with Jim sells and instantly clocked peak cope. The frat fraud leader went full UV Dodge Maxing and weight coat maxing, inflating fake stats to protect frame after being skull-mogged, while Clav deep-locked in nuked cortisol, stabilized aura, and dodged, irreversible PSL bleed by a millimeter.

I think I got 80% of that. This is long. Yeah. This is really long. First off, let me just pick out a few things here. Jester maxing, I feel like we know what that is. Sure. Jim Cell.

That feels pretty obvious. Yeah. Yeah. Instantly clocked peak cope. Like somebody's defending themselves because they're, they realize that they're losing. They're inferior. Yeah, coping. The frat fraud leader went full UV Dodge maxing and weight cope maxing.

This feels like the bad buddy halftime show where I have to take a beat in the quando. That's when. I know that one. Inflating fake stats to protect frame after being skull-mogged. What's skull-mogged? Just like your skull is smaller? Is that like your face is hotter? I don't know.

Yeah, I think it's smogging. This is a... Like you have a better jawline? Like your skull is literally more defined? Skull-mogged. Maybe? I feel like it's probably you have a better jaw line.

You better face shape. More angular. Clav deep locked in, nuked cortisol, stabilized aura, and dodged irreversible PSL bleed by a millimeter. Psell-Wereversible PSL bleed.

Irreversible PSL bleed. Irreversible PSL bleed? What is PSL other than pumpkin spice latte? I love I love stabilized aura. That's really well on that note I'm I'm apologizing off the bad if some of this is like really cancelable type stuff because I don't know what any of that means. Well I also think people are now leaning in and just like coming up with shit and trying to go viral. I think you're getting God I feel like that part I don't think those terms are real. Probably. You should send Trump that tweet. Scholars maintain. I don't understand what any of these guys are

saying. No one knows what they're saying. No one knows what these guys are saying. If a rapper just read that on stage, but it's, it's in English, but would Trump be happy about that? I don't know. We should. We should like literally just cop, like, quote tweet that and just be like the Trump tweet, but it's for the frame, frame mauging. No one understands it. No one understands what this guy's saying. Oh my God. All right. Let's get out of here. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Carlos, thank you, Austin. Thank you, Cam. Thank you, Aboo.

Thank you, everyone for listening. Emails at Ringinfancy Football at Gmail.com. Olympic, send us, I want to know, I have a new question. I want to know the Olympic sport that would take you the longest to get a medal in. Like, edge of tomorrow style, like every single day you wait. Like, maybe it could go 10,000 years. I want to know the one that you think would take the longest to get a medal in. I think it's ski jumping.

The guy, who's the guy who ran the six-minute mile on skis uphill? That, I'll take that. But it's funny to think about it because then you watch like the guys doing these. That guy's aerobic. How long it would take me to run a six minute mile uphill on my feet? Oh, wow. That one though. In the snow.

That one though, I feel like I could do before the ski jumping where they are jumping. Oh, yeah, no fucking way. What's the event that Lindsay Vaughn was doing when she got hurt? I could never do that. That one. Yeah, yeah. You're going 80 miles an hour. I wanted to do the hardest.

Did you see, I don't know if this was at this Olympics or if it was a replay from a previous Olympics, but there was a guy who lost his ski. going around one of those turns you know he's going a hundred miles an hour and then he landed it and somehow managed to kind of like salvage it and keep going and the announcer like truly

had a heart attack he was like yeah and then he's going to go around oh my god and like kind of like he's like oh he landed it the announcers are funny the top tier of Olympic winter events that I could never do is pretty wide dude I mean all the skiing sheet right the high jump or whatever that's called for skiing

the thing that Lindsay Vaughn got injured in Dude, figure skating, competitive figure skating. People do flip. The guy who did the flip and landed on one skate, I would never ever in my entire life be able to do that. It was also so funny because the announcers are incredible because the announcers are like, I'm watching people.

I'm like, this is the most amazing thing I've ever seen. The announcers are like, oh, too bad. Messed up in the very beginning. So the whole thing doesn't matter now. And they'll have to take it easy. And then they do like six. It's like college football. If you lose one game, it's fucking over.

It's literally like that. Like, Jackie and I, we were watching the male figure skating, which we had the Lizaun al-Gaib guy, the guy who did the Dune. We have the American who's like the Quad-God from Virginia. Oh, you know, the Quad-God? Oh, dude, look up the Quad-God routine. It's amazing. Well, this poor other guy has to go, like, between the guy who gets second and first.

And the guy in the middle, the announcer's like, see, the difference between him and the top tier, he's got all the moves, but there's no artistry. There's no spectacle. I mean, really, it's like watching. like cold butter on toast, you know? Like, it's, like, they're just like, oh, yeah, he's got no moves. I'm like, this guy, I could never do what this man is doing. Is Quad God the guy who did the backflip and landed on one skate?

That is the quad God. Quad God. And they were like, and here he goes for the backflip, triple double axle, and he did it. I'm like, that was the hardest thing I've ever seen anyone do. I like, high fits brought up, it's like, edge of tomorrow. It's like, I would need to have regenerative, like, powers. A million years. I'm going to die every time I try.

I do it eventually, I think four to seven thousand years. Yeah. You think I could do it. But he can build fucking Stonehenge in 100 years. Exactly. I put Stonehenge before I could do that.

Locked out of it. I have a question for you guys. Did you see this story? Sorry, I didn't run this by you before. Did you see the story about the ski jumpers and the sizes of their crotch? Oh, they're injecting their penises. Yeah, I did see this.

What? So last Olympics, last summer Olympics, we had the high jump, pole jump guy who's dick hit the bar. I mean, what's the opposite of a Pyrrhic victory? Like, that loss must have gotten him so much. Crotch maxing.

Because that is fucking amazing. That is what's happening now. It's the greatest loss of all time. He literally, like, he, like, bulge-mogged. You can see his, like, fucking dick hit the pole. Anyway, this is apparently, the world anti-doping agency was looking into this pero report. know if it's actually real or not.

But ski jumpers were manipulating the, like, fabric area of their crotchal region. So, in other words, they were crotch maxing and or girks maxing. Because if you have more fat, they, they like closely monitor the amount of fabric that you have in your crotchal region because otherwise you turn into like a wing, essentially. If you have a little more, it's like the old like swimming stuff with the suits. It's just like a aerodynamic thing. Wind resistance. And it just, it's something about, it keeps you,

it just makes you skeet, you get a longer jump if you get a little more resistance. So they, I don't understand what the cheating is. Is it, they inject some kind of acid in their dick. They're putting, they're putting like a Dirk Diggler in there. But it's a fat. No, it's not just that. They're injecting stuff into their dick. Oh, that's right.

It's not like they just stuff something down. So it's not a fabric thing. You just need more weight? Oh, fuck. I just typed inject dick with that. any more context. It's horrific. Work computer.

This is a real thing. Yeah, there was something, it was, they were injecting their dicks with something to make the surface area and improve. And then therefore the wind would catch your crotchal region

and allow you, this is like the level of competition you see in the Olympics. It's insane. Even if they, if they don't allow this, I would love to see a separate competition where they do allow it.

Just to see how ridiculous it gets. It's like From basketball It's like Armageddon It's like do we teach the guys with giant dicks How to ski or do we inject the skiers With The

The American Like Olympic committees Just looking for the biggest dicks out there God Go talk to Chris Jones Remember when he was running the 40? My God Thank you Lord

Lauren Thank you the chain smokers they were a big deal yeah they were they were a big deal they are up there with I think the best jobs in the world okay explain they are two buddies I actually don't even are they related out of two brothers or friends I'm not sure what I think they're friends they brothers I don't know who just travel the world and hit play they they make music and they're good at it and they know it works and I'm sure they spend a lot of time figuring it out

out in their studio, but man, they hit play. And they were young when they got popular. They were just like going to colleges and just like partying and traveling the world and they have a Vegas residency. And I'm just like, this is just the coolest job in the world. Once you make the album, you don't even have to sing it.

Like, Arionne Grande has got to go sing the songs on stage and travel the world. They just work. Have like a stage presence. Yeah. I mean, they do a lot of work to make it. But once you do, they tour it around. Like, it's a movie. It's like if we,

It's like if we recorded a podcast and then went and did a live show and then just played the podcast. Correct. It's like if we made 10 podcasts and toured those 10 episodes for three years. Can you imagine if we just went there? And then we do so new and people were like, play the old one. DJ booth and we're like, okay, here's the take purge from 24. They're not brothers. So, yeah, Drew Taggart and Alex Paul.

Good for you. Well done. Yeah, I would kill them. They're only 36. Life maxing, Craig. Life maxing, Craig. Life maxing. Life maxing.

Crosch-mogging. All right. Goodbye, everyone.