The Ringer NFL Show - 2023 NFL Draft Wrap-Up: Winners, Whiffs, Rookie Awards, and Day 3 Gems

Episode Date: April 29, 2023

The guys wrap up their NFL draft coverage this season with a recap of Rounds 4-7 as well as an assessment of this year’s draft as a whole. They debate which team won the draft, give out several awards, shout out a few late-round steals, make predictions for OROY and DROY, and much more (3:50). Finally they close with emails (60:09). Check out our 2023 Ringer NFL Draft Guide here! Email us! [e-mail] Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Ben Solak, Craig Horlbeck Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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No relationship with scent. He's like, yeah, you know, like I can't smell like banana candles or whatever you guys do. Raff show. My name is Danny Hyphinson. I am joined by Danny Kelly, Ben Solach, and Craig Whirlberg, and the 2023 NFL draft is over. Woo! Well, almost.

We started in the seventh round, because, like, let's be honest. We don't see those players. I think it'll be over by the time we're done. I can name every single seventh round player right now, and I haven't even seen most of them drafted. Corey Trice, Ivan Pace Jr.,

Morrow Jomo, the other defense lineman from Texas. Is he gone yet? Coburn? Maybe. I think so. That's all of them. Yeah. Okay. Nailed it. Impressive. The next purdy? Yeah, that's all that matters.

We'll just see what the room's take. with the last pick. So we're going to go over, winners of the draft, losers of the draft, the Talladega Knights, Vibrations winner of the draft, which you probably know who that is already.

But if not, stay tuned. Go over everything, but a couple notes at the top here. This is our last version of the Ringer NFL draft show. Ben Solac. This is his last time on this podcast feed with us.

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Damn. Okay, fine. We'll just get to it. Danny Kelly, who won the draft? Oh, geez. You can pick. There's a lot of options here.

You can pick a team. You can pick a player. You can pick. I'm picking the Colts. I loved the Colts draft. Anthony Richardson is the main thing here that we're talking about. Yeah.

But also, if you look at the rest of their team, the rest of their draft class, it's just freakish athletes at every position. They drafted a couple corners that I like. I want to pull up their draft class here. Julius Brent and Darius Rush. I was South Carolina.

It was a converter wide receiver. The next Tariq. They took Josh Downs in the third round, who I liked a lot, a little shifty slot receiver that I think will pay off, paid dividends for Anthony Richardson early on his career. They took at Tomoa, at a barret, who we still don't really know why he fell to the fourth round,

but he did, and he's 280 pounds. and he runs a 4-4, so that's good. Will Mallory, very athletic tight end. Evan Holt, very, very athletic running back. I don't know. I just like this class a lot. The Colts had a classic Chris Ballard draftage. Big athlete, big athlete, big athlete, big athlete, big athlete.

Super explosive. Big athlete, big athlete. Holy shoot, this guy fell, he's not a big athlete. We're going to take him. Josh Downes, big athlete, big athlete, big athlete. And that's how they ran it all the way down. Yeah. Yeah, no, the Colts are a strong, strong candidate for second-best draft class.

I agree. I like one. You check the depth charts and like ESPN assumes who will be the starter. Like if you go to Carolina's depth chart, the number one quarterback is Bryce Young. You go to Indianapolis, it's Minshu. Listen. Richardson's number two. Ursa gave a quote to you to Beatista.

He said if we were picking it one overall, we'd take into Anthony Richardson, which like there's a lot of, like, guys will say that a lot. But Chris Ballard gave a quote a month ago. He was like, yeah, we're confident we're going to get the best part in the draft at four. So I think like they actually legit, like they had Richardson out there in the quarterback class. And then he also said he's going to start. So, Anthony Richardson Not to spoil a later segment But Anthony Richardson offensive brook of the year, baby

He's starting 16 games He's running the football, Scores of Russian touchdowns, mm-mm, mm-mm Yeah, he said he or Someone on that staff I can't remember who said it But they basically talking about like The way that you get better

The way that you improve is experience Not Yeah, that was shit and the head coach Yeah, which I love Like any time I get the Should this guy start or sit quarterback question whether it's pre-draft or post-drafts.

I always say, like, how does the guy learn? Like, if you, how is he going to develop? How is he going to grow? Because some guys can sit and look at a chalkboard and do it in practice and learn from a veteran and actually gain it. And some guys need to go out there and do it. And I think a good argument for Richardson is,

hey, we played out there for 12 games. You could see him trying to put it together. He's just trying to, like, you know, get over the hump. So absolutely he's got to take practice seriously. Absolutely he's got like, you know, do drills and whatnot. But this guy needs reps. This guy needs experience. I think Stuyken is absolutely correct to say,

like, hey, if for us, like Richardson's going to get better by playing, and that means we're not going to be great for October, but we're going to be way better in December. Then we're going to do that. That, to me, is the right way to go about development. Who won the draft for you, Ben? The Steelers had a really good draft, Craig.

Do we have to keep talking about them this whole time? Listen, I'll just say this. You talked about depth charts looking at how our lads built it out. Okay. I want you to look at the Eagles' second column of the depth chart, player two. All right? You have Tyler Steen, Jack Driscoll, Sue,

pet along the line. You have Marcus Mariotta hand the ball off to Kenny Gainwell. You have Derek Barnett, Nolan Smith, greedy Williams, all in the defense. That team could beat the starting Cardinals roster. Eagles, second string. That team wants Bama. Eagles, second string, Cardinals first string. Eagles minus one and a half week one fan of opening lines.

No question in my mind. Yeah, I mean, I think the Eagles had the best draft just because at the top, they were really strong. In terms of like actual bang for your buck, like, there are other teams I think that made like consistent better picks and like fourth round and fifth round, right? The Eagles took Tanner McKee. Like, whatever. They're going to trade him for a second rounder in two years. In terms of top talent, I do think the Eagles had the best draft.

The Steelers are absolutely up there for me, though. Pittsburgh deserves a big round of applause for doing what Pittsburgh typically does, which is, oh, good players here. We should take that guy. We'll take him. Yeah, yeah. And when you do that, and when you have a really good coaching staff that's worked with the front office and they have clarity, which obviously it's not Kevin Colbert anymore,

it's Omar Khan, but Pittsburgh is really good at running things in-house. A lot of good communication between the coaching staff and scouting staff. It's been that way for forever. You have the ability to take some risks, a guy like a darn-all Washington and say, even before the medicals, it was kind of like how is he going to fit in the NFL? What's his role going to be? You know what, we trust our offensive coaching staff.

We think we're really, really good at this. And so we're going to bring in a guy who's got like a ball of clay high ceiling, and we think we're going to bring them on better than other guys can. Keanu Ben is such a good Steelers pick. It's so good. And did they really need to go defensive tackle? No. But they know they're going to be able to develop guys in other positions.

They're going to be able to fill gaps in free agency. They're just well coached. So, all right, Keanu Benton's here at 49. We didn't think he would be. We think that we can bring him along. Let's do it. And like that's every single Steelers pick from Broderick Jones all we done to Nick Herbig is just good business, man.

It's just great drafting. We forgot to mention, by the way, with the Eagles. They traded peanuts for DeAndre Swift today. Also, additionally. That's right. What? Shed a tear for Rashad Penny, who had what? a month.

Rashad Penny, DeAndre Swift, Kenny Gainwell, Boston, Scott. Is any one of them amazing? No. Are the four of them combined good? Pretty good. Yes. Do the cost a total of $2 million collectively?

Right. Yeah. That's a Howard Rosen running back room, baby. Yeah, Austin has a great note here that the Panthers paid Miles Sanders $13 million in free agency while the Eagles are going to pay less than $3 million to Swift and Penny. So that's infuriating. It's also just the fact.

The fact that the Georgia defense thing wasn't already locked in enough after day one where the Eagles just had, you know what? A third of our defense isn't enough for the Georgia defender's best college defense ever. We're actually going to make it half. And like adding Kelly Ringo, the Georgia quarterback who had the pick six to seal their championship win, I am just as a Giants fan so mad about all of this. because I think it dawned on me today that like the NFC East is over for a long time.

Like the NFC East is not a back-to-back champion in like almost 20 years. And I think I realized today like it's set in that this is like the Chiefs now. The Chiefs have won the AFC West like seven times in a row. And I'm like, oh, cool, cool. Giants Cowboys Washington. They're just all playing for second place

in this division for the foreseeable future. So Solek with love, right now I kind of hate your guts a little bit. Thanks. And out of pure bitterness, I'm just going to try to twist this knife and I'm just going to ask you, why did Ringo fall when you thought he was your number one cornerback a few months ago?

And I also think he's a fantastic prospect. Why did he last to the fourth round? He didn't test nearly as well as I think was built and I thought he was going to test better. He didn't and he came in short wingspan, which a lot of teams care about cornerback length and the Eagles just don't. They constantly draft corners and defensive backs

who have limited length. And so he fit them for that mold. And then he was tight. It doesn't have good transitions. He didn't have great jumps. He was just big, and like, he was like, big weight, big height, big 40. That was the only thing he tested good at, which at corner, like, you want all of the other things besides that. So he's, like, that's why some people think he might be a safety.

With that said, like, there's that. And then there's also, as is the case with just, like, some of the Georgia defenders that come out, some of the Georgia players, I should say, excuse me. There was worries that he's a little bit of, like, a difficult guy to handle. There's worries that, like, you know, he can be a head case sometimes, right? And, like, Kirby and his program, they just work really hard on these guys. and then start them for a bit, and then they send him to the league, right? After a couple of years, like, all right,

you can just go graduate and we'll bring in another five-star. And so that impacted teams as well. By the end, early in the cycle, I thought Keylet was going to be on a corner one. By the end, he was like by corner three, corner four. Still think he's a starter in the NFL. Unfortunately, he can't start on the Eagles, given the fact that they re-signed Darius Slay and James Bradbrook.

Just tough luck. What can you do? But, yeah, no, Ringo is a nice investment in that backup outside corner, development outside corner. because Bradbury and Slayer are both over 30, and they really have a lot of depth behind them. So Ringo is one of the best picks of day three, D'Andre Swift, another one of the best picks of day three.

Tanner McKee happened. That's the thing that happened. And those are your Philadelphia Eagles, baby. Can I give you a great stat, Danny? No. In the 2021-2020 national championship games between the Georgia Bulldogs and the Alabama Crimson Tide, which the Georgia Bulldogs won.

The Philadelphia Eagles defense had 22 tackles, the sack, three passes, defense, an interception and a touchdown. Because they have five players from the Georgia defense. The fact that it's actually half your defense is infuriating, but you know it still pissed me up.

What pissed me off the most with the Eagles last year wasn't even making the Super Bowl. It was when one of your guards got hurt and then you just, your sub for the guard, your backup guard, was a left tackle you drafted

in the first round. And then this year, now you're just adding Alabama guards in the third round just to be backups and you're just getting Deanchee Swift for fun. And I'm like, he's actually a tackle in Alabama,

but he just might play guard for us. Well, I just want to rip your fingernails off. I'm having a lot of fun in the second. Other winners, Eagles won the draft. I get it. I want to expand on DECs for a moment here. I don't think the Colts just won the draft.

I actually think the AFC South won the draft. Because let's be real, this is the most, like, the AFC South and the two, like, most boring divisions in football. No offense to those fan bases, but you kind of know it's true. And I think it's crazy that between Brisha and going to the Panthers and Bison going to the Falcons, like the NFC South is more interesting now. But the AFC South, the Jetsians is more interesting now. But the AFC South, the Jaguar's getting Trevor Lawrence,

and now the Titans getting Will Levis, the Colts getting Anthony Richardson, and the Texans getting Seger Stroud. Like, we actually have to pay attention to the AFC South now. And Dick I'm curious, like, is it insane to think that that could actually be not one of the most fun divisions next year? But going forward, do you see a world where the text,

like this is actually, as much as the rest of the AFC is incredible, right? Where it's like we've got Joe, all the good quarterbacks, seven of the 10 favorites for MVP are all in the AFC. I think it's actually seven of the top nine. Do you think that three years from now it might just like Stroud Richardson or in like, I don't know about Levis, but they're joining that group? Like are these guys going to be able to compete in that level of the AFC? I mean, look, there's a lot of variables here, but with Anthony Richardson on the Colts and

Trevor Lawrence on the Jags, like to me that is super exciting. That's going to be a fun rivalry. I mean, Colts Jags, that's like the Thursday Night Football Special. The AFC South has just been the Thursday Night Football Conference. Now became more exciting. Yes, that was the Thursday Night Football Division. and now, I mean, at least at the very least, it'll be exciting even if it's still bad football. Yeah, I'm bullish on C.J. Stroud in the NFL. He was my top quarterback. I think he's going to be really good. I think the Texans are just a high variance team.

You know, they've had three coaches in three years. I think D'Amico Ryan's is a really good, well, he has been a very good assistant coach. I think he could be a very good head coach. So maybe this is where they start to turn around. But to say that they're going to be like a really good team, exciting team down the line is, I think, a huge jump. So we'll see. but yeah, I mean, this is quarterbacks are what stir the straw that stirs the drink in the NFL. If you don't have a good quarterback, you're a pretty fucking boring team to watch, honestly. And so

this is great for this division. And I would even say, like, if you don't have a good quarterback, you're bad, you're a boring team to watch. If you have a young quarterback who's terrible, you're still a good team to watch, still enjoyable. The story of like, holy smokes, Anthony Richardson, what is happening right now aspect.

But this is the cyclical nature. I shouldn't even say cyclical. This is just like the, the snowball nature of young quarterbacks. Like, if you look back in the late 2010s, when Brady was leaving the AFC overall, everybody started drafting first-round quarterbacks in the AFC, right? It's like, right, there's a window now here.

There's an opportunity now here. And the division that missed out on that was the South. The South is in a position where, like, okay, like the Texans did get Deshaun Watson kind of right in that Mahomes draft, but the Titans were there with Tannahill. The Colts were they're kind of running their cycle, right? They're just in and out, sort of like a carousel, that's sort of looking for a veteran quarterback.

And then the Jags were doing Blake Borrell's into Nick Foles, which was just an ill-gotten plan. So they were the team that kind of missed that train, and now they popped on it. And now it's very clear, like, all right, the AFC South is reset and reloading a quarterback. And that's, I think, where the NFC South is kind of heading as well. Just, you know, Saints decided to do the Derek Carr thing,

but they're also in a quarterback transition point. In terms of draft gems, like on the individual level, I'm curious. I feel like if you ever, I really like just going to, like, the Wikipedia of like an old draft and just kind of scrolling through. And if we do that like five or ten years from now, who do you guys think is going to

be the guy that you're like, how did that guy fall to like this round? If you had to pick one guy that you're, he's going to be that. D.K., you go first. Who do you think that guy will be? A couple guys in the second round come to mind here. The first one was Keanu Benton, who we've talked about. Let's go. For the, for the

Steelers. Great player. I really liked him coming in. I think he is, and I I explained to him in the, I don't remember what show we were doing. Discount version and name brand of John Carter, right? He was like the discount version of Jaylon Carter. For the people who aren't naming seventh rounders,

can you, what position is he? Defensive tackle for the Steelers. Why did he fall out of Wisconsin? I mean, he didn't fall that far. Yeah. Why wasn't he a first round guy? He's like an eight out of ten everywhere. You know what I'm saying?

Like, you're going to be a highly ranked defensive tackle. Like Collagia Cancygo drafted top 20 because of the theoretical pass rush ability. Like obviously that's something I'm really skeptical of. But it's like, all right, you have to have to have to have. have like something cardinal. Benton is just like three downs. Just solid. Take on blocks. Can take a double team. Can win against a single team. So it's like, all right, he's not doing anything incredible. Now he goes to a team like the Steelers. The Steelers are going to get

out in the field for 30 snaps a game and he's going to be locked steady for them. He's just going to throw in guys. He's got a great club move. He's got a great club move on the field and he's staying on the roster. He's going to get refined. He's going to get coaching and he's going to be a starter for 10 years. I'm going to hate every single one of them. Because he should have been an eagle. Yeah. Hypatitz has a great club move on the basketball court. Yeah, I can see that. just more of like a dive at the knees. I don't know where the club comes in.

Two other guys I want to mention here, and we'll talk about this guy later, so I'm just going to say his name and then move on, but Devon A chain for the dolphins. And then running back, running back, yeah. Marvin Mims, receiver out of Oklahoma for the Broncos,

I thought was a very interesting pick. They traded up into the second round to get this guy. And he, number one, he's been productive every year, basically going back to high school. Every time he's been on the field, he's been really productive. He's very fast.

He tracks the ball beautifully. And now he's on a team with Russell Wilson who throws a gorgeous moonball. I know Russell Wilson's not who he used to be, but I still think he can throw a good deep ball. And so I think he's a perfect fit for what they want to do. He's essentially, like, they got KJ Hamler a few years ago and he's just been hurt like his whole career.

So this guy could sort of play that role, you know, running vertical routes out of the slot. I think he can line up a little bit on the outside, too. He did that in college. so he's going to be a very exciting one. Play action. They're going to get back to running a ton, I think, for Denver. Yeah.

And then doing play action off of that. And Marvin Mims is like a guy who can get behind an event. So he's another guy that I like. It's so hard for me to buy in on the Broncos for this year just because like, it's like when you watch season one of a television show and it sucks. And then they're like fired the showrunner and someone's like, no, no, I swear like season two and three gets better. And you're like, no, I saw season one.

It sucks. It's going to take a lot for me to come back in on the Bronx. So have you watched New Girl? Yeah, love it. You know how early on Winston played. He's like the straight guy. Yeah, and he gets really silly. And it's like boring.

And then halfway through, I don't know when it was the first season. It was like, hold on, we're just going to make this guy wacky and hilarious. Maybe that's Russell Wilson next year. He's Winston from New York. It's a great South. It's the Brandanowitz effect on Parks and Rec. It's not funny. Right.

Because Tom Brandanowitz is an awful character. Then they just cut him. Is his name Tom? Did he die? Mark Brandanowitz. Whatever it is. Case in point. Yes.

Very unforgettable man. Undisaged white man first name. Yeah. And they can him. They lean way more on the rest of the silly characters and Leslie Knope and the show took off. Yeah. I do have the Broncos as an award for my draft awards, which is the nobody will say we had a good draft award because we didn't make that many picks. But actually, we did a great job award.

And that's the Broncos who, one of the reasons why the Broncos didn't have a lot of picks is because they walked into the draft with a lot of fit. They didn't have a first or a second round. Russell Wilson. Another reason why the Broncos didn't have a lot of picks is because they were just like trading up to get guys, which is not necessarily great process. They moved up to 63 to go get Mims. They also moved up to 83 from 108. They had to trade a future third round pick to do it with the Seahawks, which is like trading future day two picks of the Seahawks.

Just not stop. They're actually picking up the phone when the Seahawks call. Enough. There's no need for this. They also did it to draft a white corner. Riley Moss, just a gem. See how I like this. But Drew Sanders, who's one of my great kids.

candidates for Wikipedia entry five to ten years from now. Oh, yeah, that's a good call. Drew Sanders and a Vance Joseph defense, man. I mean, Vance Joseph blitz is linebackers like nobody you've ever met. And Drew Sanders is a linebacker. He used to be an edge rusher, who's greatest trait right now is blitzing. Like, Drew Sanders is going to have six-axes here playing true off ball. And I can't wait to see how that keeps him on the field.

That lets him drop into coverage, which if he develops completely into coverage, you can be one of the most useful passing down defenders that there is in the league. Van Schrois was a great DC firm. Really excited about that. So Sanders, Marvin, Manzzii brought up Riley. Moss and the J.L. Skinner, who's a 6-4 safety, who Jail Skinner, not a great coverage guy right now, too lanky, not great taking on blocks right now, is too thin.

You know what he's good at? Blitzin. Lance Joseph, right? And that's the thing is, it's just like, these defensive weapons, I think, are really, really nice for building out that that unit and relying on that to continue to win games the way they were with the Gero Ebro when he was holding it down. And then, yeah, if you run the ball a little bit better and you go back to that Seattle model,

maybe you can get season two of New Girl up in here for the Broncos. I thought Broncos did a great job drafting, and Drew Sanders, my number one candidate for a guy that we're going to look back and be like he was paid outside of the top 60. I think that was a mistake by league and I'm happy he landed where he did. They also traded for Adam Troutman today. Yes, they traded with the same

which in my head, here's how that trade went. Sean Payne calls up Mickey Loomis. I want him. I want Taysam Hill. And Mickey Loomis says, how about another white tight end you made me waste to pick on? I'll take Adam Troutman. Sounds good. Troutman is not very good. He's a blocker, right? Sean Payne, theoretically, he's not a receiver.

Sean Payton picked him and now he's with Sean Payton and Denver Never go up Yep And the Broncos tight end room Continues just to be like Eight deep for no reason God

Albert O Greg Dulcich Troutman They had Eric Salbert Man Hertz Yeah they did just add Man Hertz Yeah okay currently

It's Greg Dulcich Chris Mannertz Albert Okweebun on and now Adam Troutman And Dulcich I said Dulcich They got too many They got too many people

in this room There's too many of them. Some of them are not going to be on the team. Trade Jerry Judy challenge. Please. Please do that. Well, the Broncos, despite like the 12 tight ends, are still going to lose the division to the Chiefs.

Agreed. I thought the most under, like, the radar story was I thought the Bengals and Bills, I will give the award of that we are never losing to Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs Ever Again award, which is they will, but I feel like their entire draft was just being mad about losing to the Chiefs. like the Bengals, I feel like their draft was basically, we're just going to Patrick Mahomes proof our defense. Like they literally went,

Miles Murphy, the past rush out of Clemson in the first round, DJ Turner, the quarterback out of Michigan in the second round. They got Jordan Battle, safety out of Alabama in the third round, which is like very neat replacements for a bunch of the defenders who were the left

and free agency or might leave soon. And then they were at Charlie Jones, who just feels like a receiver like a replacement for Tyler Boyd. This is a lot of like very neat. They also, Andre is Sivas, the composer. I savasse.

That one I'm not going to get. The heptathlete from Princeton. You're aware. The 17th century composer like Chopin. But no, I just feel like the Bengals, this whole thing was just like, we have to get a bunch of guys

to help us, like, compete now. And then the bills were similar, but instead of just replacing guys, Dalton Kincaid the Tidea the Utah in the first round on Cyrus Torrance from Florida, the guard. And I'm just like,

these are just both guys that fell because of injury concerns and the bills were like, screw it, you know what, whatever. like we're just taking the ups. We just need a Josh Allen to get, Greg Thompson told me who does Bill's cover one.

It's great stuff. They got Josh Allen a weapon and they got him time. And I'm like, yeah, that's how you beat the Chiefs. This is, it used to be that you draft to win your division. And now in the AFC, it's you draft to win your conference. Yeah, I mean, I think it's right. You draft to beat Mahomes. Right.

Yeah. It's like they're right. The top tier is, is Bill's Bengals Chiefs. And the Bills and the Chiefs are, or the bills and the Bengals, excuse me, are clearly pointed at Kansas City. I think, yeah, the Bengals, especially with that, just filling out that defense,

trying to make sure that when they lose talent, because they inevitably will, because they have so many free agents on defense. They already lost Von Bell, they already lost Jesse Bates. They lose those guys. They'll have dudes in the wings waiting to recover, and then that way they can spend the actual money

on T. Higgins, St. Mark, Jason, Joe Burrow. I think that's the right way to go about it. It is worth remarking, I will say, the chief started the draft with an edge rusher, Felix, Nudeau, UZOMA, who's a Frank Clark replacement. similar body type.

But then they went wide receiver, Rishi Rice, tackle Juania Morris. They ain't screwing around. Pass rusher, pass protection, wide receiver. They know what they're about. They know what they're bread's butter. We're going to keep burning Isaiah Pachecoe,

solve that problem. We're going to keep doing six round corners. We're making that work. Like, the cheese also are in the, we're not going to lose the Josh Allen and Joe Burrow thing. Those are the three teams of the top of the AFC. It just feels like the part in an action movie where the character is like going through an armory

to restock in the middle of a firefight. And that's just what I feel like all these teams are doing. It's the gun. The shocking scene from the one we did the rewatchables on now. I always get traffic under and Pineapple Express. Thub life. Just cocking guns. Remember?

Don't. They're putting the gun up and down. Don't. Don't. Sometimes you don't. Oh, wait. Also, I want to mention that the bills drafted, maybe I think, the most ripped receiver I've ever seen in my life. Justin Shorter out of Florida?

Yeah, he's a healthy young man. Google that man. He kind of puts D.K. Metcalfe to shame. He is the biggest dude I've ever seen. Yeah, he was a very highly ranked recruit. initially was at Penn State and then transferred to Florida has had about four good plays

in a five-year college career but sure does look good, none. Wowza. You got a wowza out of Craig. I got to get him on the bulking pod with me and Bobby Wagner. I need to know his regime, his regiment.

Wowza. It's a good spot for a draft right here, Craig. Body beautiful. That's right, body beautiful. I like the wowza segment of your podcast. I need to know, like, what are his macros? What's he doing?

I'm casting protein. I doubt he's a pea protein guy. You know what I mean? I think he's strictly way. DK., next to Ward here. What do we got? This is your vibration. Oh, my God. Hold on, let me shake the table.

We did this on the deranged pod that we did after the rounds two and three, which 12 people probably listened to. It was a great pod for the true go-hard listeners. Because nobody else is going to listen to because it was at the end of day, too, but it was good content. I love when those cars go by.

Molly Shannon and Talladega Nights. She has the need for speed. And that is what, that is the dolphins. The dolphins get the ward here for the Molly Shannon. What do we want to call this? It's your award. Really fucking fast team award. Devon A-Chane is the most fun pick of this whole draft.

I stand by that. Tyree Kill, Devon A. Chain, Jalen Waddle. I mean... I've been telling people, Devon A. Chain is the Tyree Kill of running backs. And so it just makes a ton of sense. They apparently love this guy. They've loved him for like two years.

Also, Rahim Mostert, not slow. No. Rahim Mostert is not slow. Also, they... Did they sign Chosen Anderson, too? Chosen. He used to be Robbie Anderson. Isn't it?

He is on the Miami Dolphins. Yeah. So they got some speed on that team. It's going to be really fun to watch. Chosen Anderson is an elite name. Well, he gets to choose it. Better than Robert. Better than Robert Anderson.

I imagine if I came to work on Monday, and Bill's like, Craig, we're doing a rewatcher, and I'm like, my name's chosen. His name is Robert Stephen Anderson. His name was Robert Stephen Anderson. Shout out, Chosen. Now it's chosen. So the dolphins have three of the six fastest players in offense now in the league.

Yes, and then they also have an offensive coordinator whose whole thing is like speed and, like, like, McDaniel's so good at getting the ball to speed in space. and then they build for speed. Like this is, like, McDaniel might be the truth, man. Like, he seems like he's on a whole new level. He seems like he's got it.

I think McDaniel might just be the straight truth. I love this dolphin. Did you see the Dolphins gym, Chris Guror was like, yeah, you know, we've been watching Devaney chain for like, you know, three years or two years or something. And like, you know, we've been really interested in him. And I really liked him, but he just laughs. He's like, but Mike Gutaniel really, really was enthused.

And I'm like, what is Mike McDandum been saying about this guy behind closed doors for six months? It's also difficult to imagine McDaniel enthused because he's such a chill guy? Was he like, woo! Like, I don't think he has that volume. I don't know. I would enjoy seeing McDaniel enthused.

He's not like the lion's war room during the draft. Where you just punch one another just bro-hugging hard. Yeah. I feel McDaniel and Campbell seemed like the two opposite sides of the spectrum of coaching.

Dan Campbell could eat Mike McDaniel on a couple bites. So yes. They're like Anthony Richardson and Breis Young where they're like Russian nesting dolls that could fit inside of one another. Like you could just fit the entirety

of Mike Daniel. McDaniel inside Dan Campbell. McDaniel's like vaping on the sidelines and like drawing up plays and Campbell's just like ripping pushups and drinking like 40 ounces of cold brew. And then in the middle of it all, just like John Harbaugh and Bill Belichick just like average dudes who are really good at coaching. Talking earlier about draft sleeper, who is the guy this weekend that I will say there are at least some big expectations from either first round or a highly touted second

that you kind of think will be a total flop and that when people look back at this draft five or ten years, you're going to be like, how did that happen? So like you can start. Total flop. That's harsh. Who's in their flop era? It happens every year. So.

Yeah, I think Manny Forbes is in his flop era. I just think it's really tough. This is flat Stanley. Yeah. I was like, you guys have been doing the draft so long because like, you're just like calling them people by their nicknames and not mentioning who they played for in college.

Yeah. Commander's cornerback Emmanuel Forbes who went. 16th? He was at Mississippi State. Yeah, he went 16th. The guy who weighs a buck 60s. Yeah. There's, like, he's a talented player.

I don't think he's, large enough, dense enough, strong enough to hang at the NFL level. And so I think it's just going to be tough for him to consistently start, which is what you, with the top 16 pick, you need like a high impact starter, let alone like a consistent starter, a guy who gets on the field regularly. So he's one that worries me a lot.

Jack Campbell at 18 is another one where I think Campbell has a role. I don't think he's going to be able to deliver on a top 20 draft billing because I don't think that he has third down usage. I don't think he's an impact past coverage player. I don't see a way he becomes that. I don't think he has the movement skills. necessary, the sense necessary, right, the feel. And I don't think he can be a high caliber blitzer.

He can probably be an okay blitzer because he's big and he's fast downhill. But I don't know, like, it's not like he has like pass rush acumen. It's ever something he's ever done. And so for me, like, those two guys stand out to me as even if they like stick on the field, they both have like pretty substantial issues that I struggle to see them overcoming the NFL level such that they, they read as busts to me. Also, Sean Clifford. Sean Clifford.

The quarterback at a Penn State. Quarterback out of Penn State, all right, was drafted in the fifth round by the Green Bay Packers, 149 overall. Lance Zerline of NFL.com ranked 500 players in this year's draft class. Guess where he ranked Sean Clifford? Not on the list. 500.

500. He went 149. That's like Brock Purdy times three. To be clear, to be clear. This is the guy that Will Levis could not beat out at Penn State, number one. So you know he's good. Do you guys know that Sean Clifford, who went to the Packers,

is three months older than Jordan Love? Oh no. Extremely tough. Sean Clifford is a terrible quarterback game too. We haven't been doing age jokes about Sean Clifford who's going to be 25 when he takes his first NFL first practice snap, I should say, Packers Camp because he turns 25 in July.

We haven't been doing age jokes about him because nobody thought he was getting drafted. So he just wasn't in like our thought process. We haven't been paying attention to him. Oh, a hand and hooker is so old. Stets and Bennett's so old. And nobody ever talked about Sean Clever being old because we didn't think his name was going to be called.

All these guys are off their parents insurance already. And they just got drafted. Think about that. He's going to rent a car to go in that training camp. We got to get Emmanuel Forbes. Here's my idea. Emmanuel Forbes, aka Flat Stanley. Let's get him on the bulking pod with Justin Shorter.

They can kind of swap. You know, Justin Shorter can help him out. DeWan Jones, really, who's 374 pounds and fell to the fourth round because he can't get any smaller. I'd love that. Yeah. That would be like a guest spot for the pod. Yeah, I love your imaginary bulking pot. It's a real thing.

Oh, man. DK, who's going to be your bust? I got a couple guys in mind here. So I feel like a lot of people are going to disagree with me on this one, but I just didn't see it with Mazi Smith, the defensive tackle for the Cowboys who they took in the first round. He had a half sack in 30-something career games. I think he is going to be a useful player filling the middle of the defense

and basically being a sack eater and all that. But he was very famous or whatever, like well known because he's one of the most athletic defensive tackles ever. Like he's super twilight. witchy, super athletic. But to me, I just didn't really see it on the field, or at least not yet. Maybe he has that, and he just has, it's just been untapped or whatever. We'll see.

But for them to take him in the first round, I thought it was a little bit of a head scratcher. And then a couple other guys, Kai, sorry, but Quentin Johnston worries me a little bit, the receiver out of TCU for the Chargers. No, I can't, I can't have that. I can't accept that. Okay. Herbert needs help. Craig is so committed to the Chargers wide receiver plan.

I just want Justin Herbert. to be the best quarterback in the league. And I want him to have all the help he needs to accomplish that goal. I'm just a little worried that he's just kind of all over the place as a receiver. He's just a little sloppy, like ball security is not great. His hands are not that great.

Their entire wide receiver course is a basketball team. They're like 6-2 to 65 across the board. They just drafted Darius Davis, who's 5 foot 7, a buck 65. Is he fast? Very fast. Also his teammate from college, which is random. Another horn frog. And guess who they just drafted in the seventh round?

Who? Quarterback Max Duggan. No way. Oh, wow. Go frogs. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. You're telling me, you're telling me, does anything better summarize the NFL than the Eagles and Chargers watching the championship game in college football?

The Eagles are like, we want the Georgia guys. And the Chargers are like, give us the TCE guys. Okay. I don't think he's going to be a massive bust. I'm just like a little worried he's not going to live up to expectations. And then, I mean, you're calm for him was Martitas Bryant, right? Yeah. Well, yeah.

I know. And then the other guy, the other head scratcher from him. mean, well, first of all, just big picture, the receivers, the way, the order in which the receivers came off the board, this draft was wild to me, which I guess we could have expected because there wasn't much of a consensus on a lot of these guys. But the chief's taking Rashid Rice in the second round, when a whole bunch of guys that had way ranked way higher were still on the board. I think he is another guy who's a little bit chaotic, not very refined. Yeah. Only ran like a couple routes in college.

His ball security again, not very good. They're actually, Quentin Johnson and Rishie Rice are like somewhat similar in some ways, both very athletic, very twitchy, but unrefined. And so to me, putting Rishi Rice into a receiver core

that already has chaos walking in Cadarious Tony, Skymore, Marcus Valdus Scantling. Who else do they have now? I forget. Justin Watson, I think is back. Justin Watson. Yeah.

Anyways, this is just going to be. like the weirdest receiver core. I don't really get the Rishi Rice pick for the Chiefs. Your Seahawks just drafted Kenny McKintosh out of Georgia Macintosh. Macintosh. Another ringback. All right. This was

a seventh round pick. Yeah. Yeah, we're showing. That's perfect. That's a good pass catcher. That's what they need. Yeah. Not a bust. Kenny McIntosh. I want to do a little bar rescue here. Who is someone that if you walked into their, like, you know, their bar? Or like whatever kitchen nightmares of Gordon Ramsey, whatever your flavor is. Who's getting

screamed at like four days ago and now it's like the end of the episode where you're like you know what I think this this establishment could really turn itself around what do you think so like yeah I gave the nobody will say we had a good draft award because we mostly traded back aka also known as the Caleb Williams award to the Arizona Cardinals who like let's let's start with just like players the cardinals drafted today Paris Johnson in the first round be a george o'clock jojolari and edge I like quite a lot in the second round garret Williams a corner I like a lot in the third round Michael Wilson, fine, whatever. John Gaines, Guard, I like a lot in the fourth round.

Don't just, yeah, whatever, Michael Wilson. How dare you? I wasn't big on Michael Wilson. But like Clayton, Clayton, Tune, who's a good athlete of quarterback in the fifth round, Keatrol Clark, great nickel. I know D.K., you're a big Keetrell Clark fan. This is just like, Switchie. Yeah, they got good players. They got players that I liked. Congratulations to the Cardinals. Perhaps far more importantly is as a result of the trade back from three, and then they also traded back from the 30-third pick, which was really the

34th pick that became Will Levis. They have, according to Adam Schefter, two first round picks next year, a second rounder next year, three third round picks next year, two fourth next year, one of which is projected comp pick, and then two fifths. So this team in the first five rounds has

ten picks, and they might need a quarterback, they might have a very early first round pick of their own. This team loaded the chamber for 2024. And I think that's the correct way to go about it from Montaawson Fort and John Gannon. You look at this depth chart, it is extremely the week. It was not going to get fixed in one season with Kyler coming off of the injury,

him being drafted and extended by a different front office, a different coaching staff than they have there. The Cardinals have set themselves up in 2024 to be able to say, right, we fully need to strip this thing down to the studs and rebuild it. We're going for a new quarterback. We're going for an entirely new direction. Or if they're better than expected this year, they have a ton of ammo in 2024 to really actually build a thing around Kyler when he comes back healthy. And so I think pushing a lot of capital into next year was the right idea. That's a good process. And then they made good picks when they were on the Clark when they were on the clock guys like like Keachall Clark Garrett Williams this team given like they lost a bunch of of talent at corner like

this is this is quality work and so I think the Cardinals it's not a sexy draft right they drafted like an offensive tackle the top 10 and traded out of three nobody's going to be like losing their like Eagles Steelers Seahawks no was going crazy over this but this is good process this is good work by the new front office there I was impressed what's the best the Texans could possibly do next year like nine winsans like Yeah, because I think the Cardinals having the Texans first rounder and the third rounder, I mean, it's hard to overstate the, I mean, if the Texans get a top five pick, the car in a draft where there's Drake May and Caleb Williams, top two quarterbacks,

there's Marvin Harrison, Jr. There's a whirl where they just have two top five picks, and then also the third rounders. It's kind of insane that that's what they're walking into next year. Texans win totals five and a half. I mean, yeah, and I like CJ Stroud. Rookie quarterbacks are rarely very good. Like, overall, generally speaking, you expect them to not play very well, turn over the ball a lot.

This isn't an especially talented roster. Again, I think that Domingo Ryans is going to be a good coach, but this is a team that's probably going to have a top 10 pick. Man, the Steelers just took Corey Trice in the seventh round. That was the best available player left. Who's that? Big highway speed corner from Purdue. All the player.

Hell yeah. The Steelers, I would say, like, if you look to a consensus draft board, they've taken the absolute top player on the media consensus board and, like, five picks this draft. So there's auto drafting? I just think this is what the Bengals have done for years. It's actually smart. Like, stop trying to outsmart everybody and just take good players

that everyone thinks is good. Yeah. I'm going to go with the Bears who, you know, the, I don't even know what it's from. There's a guy who, like, trades things, and then you go from, like, a toothpick or something I'm going to trade. The red paper clip. The red paper clip. Yeah, this is what they're doing with the first round pick.

Sorry, the first overall pick that they got. So they obviously got DJ Moore. Well, I'm going to put, Austin actually tweeted this. They got DJ Moore. And then they turned that into, they trade back. They turned it into offensive tackle darn out right. Cornerback Tyreek Stevenson. Next year's 2020 for first, the 2024 fourth, a 2025 second.

in addition to all the other picks they had, and I think they did a really good job in the draft overall. I'm just going to run through their draft real quick. They took Darnow right in the first round. That felt like a little bit of a reach to me, but he is exactly what they need. A mauler on the offensive line, a guy who's going to create lanes in the run game,

give them an edge. He's kind of a tone-setter guy. In the second round, they took Jervon Dexter. They took Zach Pickens, those two players are kind of similar to, like, space eaters. This was one of the worst run defense teams in the NFL last year. These two guys are going to come in.

just add a ton of beef to their defensive line. I mentioned Tyric Stevenson. They also took Roshan Johnson, really good running back. Honestly, he could end up being their starter. He is really good. Over Khalil, my son? Well, Kalil, I think they'll switch. There's like basically no team has like a three down guy

other than maybe the Falcons now. But I think Roshan is really good in the passing game. He's good at pass pro. He could be their third down back right away. He's, you know, a special teamer. I think that's just a really good pick. Tyler Scott and another guy that we thought was going to be day two pick. They got him in the fourth round. He's a great

pick. Speed guy. Torrell Smith from Minnesota, another corner. They just added a ton of guys, like the depth that they're adding, the competition that they're adding. And they kind of have multiplied the draft capital they have by trading back. Again, it's like similar to what the what the Falcons are doing, or sorry,

what the Cardinals have been doing in just throwing numbers at their problems. You know what I mean? Like, you're not going to find a solution to every with every pick because some guys are just not going to work out. But like they have so many picks. They're going the volume route. They're finding guys that are tone setters and have an edge. You know, the corners that they have have a lot of speed. I don't know. I just really liked what the bears are doing. And I think that, you know,

Ryan Poles has them going in the right direction for sure. Yeah. The other thing that Ryan Poles is doing with a lot of these picks is he's, so firstly, they're drafting high caliber athletes, which as we all saw when they released their pre-draft video, they have the Bears analytics center. Right, right, right. Where all the measurements go in and analytics comes out. And that's how know who the good athletes are. Right. But also, like, Darnell Wright was a five-star recruit. Jervyn Dexter was a five-star recruit.

Terry Stevenson was a five-star. I think Pickens was a five-star recruit, too. I think Tyrrick-Stom might have been four-star or five-star. I can't recall. They are going after high-tier athletes, highly-valied recruits, whether they came out of school quickly, whether they came out of school a long time ago, whether they were well-coached, not well-coached,

whether they blossomed early, whether they blossomed early, they're going after high-calibur recruits. Not an uncommon draft approach. You see Belich do this a lot. but still I don't want to go so far to say a good process I think it is a good process

but mostly it's a cogent process they know they have a process They know they're going to hang their hat on them I can jump in shadows This is how we're going to go about Building this team and we think This is going to work for us

That's always one of the most important things Is like have a draft strategy stick to your draft strategy You can bend it at times Start with the Colts taking Josh downs But generally you've got to know what you're looking for And you have to find a way to winnow down this field And I'm still

curious to see if polls is really going to be able to pull this Bears team fully out of a tailspin. I still look at the offensive depth around Justin Fields and go like, this is the best we could do. I agree with what you're saying. And I actually think it's even bigger than that. I think you're on the money where talking about five-star guys, I actually think this specific year is the year to bet on talent.

Because if you just kind of look at first round grades among teams, there's generally speaking like 20 first round grades, give or take every year. And obviously there's 32 picks, but teams kind of are like, oh, there's only 20 guys that are true first rounders every year. And then the last three years, it's been like 13 a year, which what does that have in common with? Fricking COVID, the COVID restrictions, the chaos it's had, whatever it is, NIL transfers, whatever's going on with the chaos in college football where we have 26-year-old quarterbacks. Stetson Bennett is older than Jalen Hertz and he's in the college football national championship,

older than Super Bowl quarterback. College football is in such flux right now that I think it makes so much sense. to bet on these guys that were elite high school athletes that kind of for whatever reason, their college experience was just totally messed up. I think it's never been smarter to bet on that. And it's not a coincidence that as soon as the pandemic throws college football in a disarray, the amount of first-run grades NFL teams have is cut by like a third. That's not like players just magically got worse by a third.

It's just coached it got messed up. So I think you're totally right. Other teams you guys want to highlight. I feel like we got to hit. I want to get to awards and stuff with these rookies in a second. we got to hit the Packers drafting skill guys now that Roger,

the moment that Aaron Rogers is gone. I think we got to talk about the Packers drafting Sean Clifford. You really enjoy that. The Packers drafted like the fifth kicker off the board in the sixth round, Andrew Carlson. It wasn't even first team all SEC.

It was second team all SEC. Played kicker and it was still a better pick to Sean Clifford. That's not even the worst thing. First of all, if any team other than the Patriots and Bill Belichick had traded up to draft a kicker, we would be absolutely roasting

that. In the top of 100. In the top of hundred. And then the Niners. The Niners didn't have a first or a second. The Niners used like one of their third rounders on a freaking kicker. Jake Moody baby. That's so cocky of the Niners. Nails. You know how we always talk about I think we meant to talk about this, but we forgot to talk about it on the pod on Friday, how

GMs, once they make it pick that like people generally pan or think it's like a reach or whatever. Yeah. They always say in the post-conference or the post-draft press conference where they're like, oh, I had so many of my friends texting me, oh, we were just about to take that guy, great pick, blah, blah, blah. A lot of guys who are in league

were texting me. I got to give Shanahan credit. When they made that kicker pick, he said, everybody was texting and making fun of them. And then the Patriots, right, then the Patriots picked a kicker in the fourth round, and immediately the broadcast went, and that's why you got to take a kicker in the third round.

It's just so funny. Like, frame this in the context of any other decision that doesn't make sense. Like, eat a ridiculously spicy hot wing. All of your friends go, I was just about to eat that hot way. They're so dumb. They just wanted to see somebody do it.

It doesn't make any sense. Shanan even knew it on the phone. When he called Jake Moody, there's a clip of him being like, hey, man, you're a kicker. We took it in the third round. We clearly like you. Jake Moody's like, is this a prank call? We picked you over a running back. Like, can you believe that shit?

Kyle Shanan. He literally said that. Kyle Shannon's really just been beaten down by the NFL head coaching experience. He hates the media so much. He just does not care anymore. Kendall Roy. Just wants to win one. Super Bowl.

Oh, man. It was Josh Johnson taking snaps in the NFC championship. That broke him. Finally broke Kyle Shanahan. Kyle Shanahan had looked stressed every time you see him.

He just looks whether... It's a stressful job, dude. Pete Carroll looks younger than Kyle Shanahan to these times. Nora has this take. We were talking about it the other month where she was like, all of the coaches look sad.

Yeah. It's like, yeah, man. They're all depressed. Right. They take this job and they're like, wow, this is all I've ever wanted for my entire life. And 18 months later,

they look like they've just been the world has broken them and they have no spirit left. Except for Pete, who's chomping gum and living the dream. Just not knowing how to send emails. Sean McVeigh is still the youngest coach in the NFL. He's won a Super Bowl and is just like the most miserable person in the entirety. Yeah, it's tough. Cool job.

Cool job. Yeah. Hot take, NFL head coach, bad job. It should have just been a podcast. First overall pick, bad, head coach, bad. I mean, even if once you get past the fact where every head coach who's hired is just like you are, are going to be worried about the guillotine of, like, being fired and, like, the rate of guys getting fired.

Sean McVeigh has actually surpassed that, and they're at the point where the team's begging him to stay, and he's just, like, still miserable. It's a tough gig. And then the Rams took Stetson Bennett, which can I give that the award for there's no possible way this will go wrong. Stets and Bennett, just rubbing elbows with all the famous people in Los Angeles. What could possibly go wrong with that? He's getting invited to all kinds of cool events.

Is he? Probably. Why he did he? Two-time National Champion. I feel like, yeah. The best part of the Stets of Bennett, besides the fact that he went like round four, despite having open disdain for the NFL draft process

and having a public intoxication arrest, was that Les Sneed immediately, like via like Diana Rossini reporting and I think Jordan Rodriguez stuff was basically just like, thank God he felt to us. My number one ranked quarterback. Les, we can see you, buddy.

Les, everybody's reading this, Les. Yeah, they are... So there's a number one rated quarterback? He said, Sethsney was their top rated quarterback? He said, fuck them picks. So maybe less need and picks are like kind of Lee and he's rusty still. I will find it. Hang on.

I like that. There's, now that there's just like so much media and so many quotes now, I like when execs and coaches are just like saying whatever the fuck. You know, like they're just like trolls. On Twitter, like everyone does like the lying with like the greater than sign.

Yeah. Like lying is the best. Honestly, who cares? Just say that. How does it hurt you? Lying rules. Yeah. It was,

okay. So Rossini tweeted it was never a big secret that the Rams loved QB Stets and Bennett, but they played this out really well. I was told how important it was to get a QB in that room, who wouldn't be a problem or cause issues. Okay. Well, Stafford and him are friends, right? They're obviously Georgia guys.

They played a Georgia together. Yeah. Good one. They were the same recruiting class. They go way back, yeah. If I was a GM, every single pick, I'd say he was the number one player in our board. Lying. Lying fucking rules.

You'd be a great general manager of the Houston Tech. Jackson's right now. It's like, this is exactly how we plan on. I'm just going. Oh, my God. Well, they did get their, they did get their starting running back in this draft, though, by the way.

I'd say Sean Clifford was the number one quarterback on our board. We're ecstatic. Hold on, hold on. You know who I believe is the Lions? When the Lions's like, number one player on our board, I'm like, actually, I totally believe.

Yeah, no, that Dreamer guess was. They definitely just keep taking the number one player on our board and we're mad. And they're like, what? Who's the running back they took? They took Zach Evans? Zach Evans in the sixth round. He's going to be better than that Camakers.

Just calling it right now. The Rams of low-key, again, like Broncos Award. We didn't have a lot of picks but drafted well. Steve Avila, I like. Kobe Turner, I like, Seth and Bennett, we're ignoring. Nick Hampton, solid, Pooka Nakuwa. Davis Allen, baby. Travius Hodgins Tomlinson, my 5-7 king of a nickel corner?

You can pick for the Rams. Davis Allen is the inside joke between Austin and I, because Austin thinks he sucks. And I'm like, yeah, he's good. And, but he's just, I mean, he's a fifth round tight end. So who gives a fuck? Jokes between draft guys are never good because it's like, dude, me and Austin

disagree so much on Davis Allen. It's like, cool. He's the most milk toast prospect you could possibly disagree with someone on. This is where I would say go touch grass, right? Right, except the Rams?

It's a Saturday. Having a Saturday. This is the bar graph. Having a take on a fifth round tight end and an amount of sex had. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a line.

The Rams? also took a division two punter at a Wingate named Ethan Evans. Wingate? What's that? Why does the division matter for a punter? I'm actually kind of pro, like, yeah. Yeah, well, I know he's a division two punter because the PFF draft guide or the draft tracker, which gives descriptions of every single pick. Their description of Ethan Evans was pick grade below average. He is a division two punter, period. That's the whole description. You're right. The entire line, the PFF draft guide, just pitching absolute gas.

Your whole job is just like, catch ball, kick it far. I don't care what division you're in. First of all, the punting kicking world is a mafio, a mafioso ruled world where there's like two people who control where all the people go because college teams don't have staff members, they have staff limits, so they don't have special teams coaches specific for kickers and punters. So there's like three people who control like the development of everyone. It's like, you know, it's honestly, the Illuminaity control special teams.

I just think adjusting for the level of competition in punting is really important. The Rams wide receivers is a. dark space. Okay, so anyway, so we've argued about a fifth round tight end that no one cares about now we're talking about a D2 punter.

So how about we just like do a little chaser here and do like offensive rookie year odds? Yeah. Okay. The odds rookie year. Jesus Christ.

Imagine John Robinson. We're fucking losing it. Actually, do you guys want to keep naming tight ends so we could just. Yeah. I want to go through the Rams what's your favorite day three tight end?

Will Mallory in the sixth? Cameron Lottu in the third round a week. Oh, that's too much. Brent and Strange top 75 These could all be fake names I can't get on I can't get on that train right there

Craig you want to do two jargons that alive with Rams receivers Yeah I mean It's they actually got rid of Alan Robinson Like they have Cooper Cup Cool he's 30 coming off an injury You have Van Jefferson

Ben Scoronic That's it Bennett Bennett Scoronic Bennett Scoronic Two to Atwell Lance McCutchen Austin Trammell Who's that

He's a guy His dad's Trammle Yeah I feel like he's got a Pops It does Do they draft a guy Have they drafted a receiver? Pooka.

Pooka. It's a good little player. I kind of like that, actually. You know what? This is why I hate the draft because every single player that goes after the fifth round, DK goes, I kind of like that guy.

And I'm like, I'm never going to hear his name again. It's low stakes, Craig. You'll hear about Puponakua. It's Pooka Nakua. If they don't, if... Pooka is going to get injured

on a kickoff. And that's the only time I'll ever hear his name. They could not make a team and I won't have any guilt about that. What are Pooka Nakua's offensive with your odds? There's no way they're listed anywhere.

I'm kneeling to call on. I don't even want to do the rookie of the year anymore. I think he could displace a skil- I'm going to listen to Al-Micha-Kua down with an ankle injury. You think Al-Michael's going to be able to pronounce Pukanakua? The funny thing is, the ironic thing is, Pooka-Kua is going to be like a big DFS guy in preseason.

Whatever. Is that ironic? You guys are saying that he's not going to have any bet. People are going to be actually betting on Pug-N-A- I think four out of five people listening, don't even know what that sentence meant. That's like practically a different language. Huge DFS guy in the preseason.

That's definitely the end of your bar graph with the sex. Pooka Nakua, pretty good though. They're all good. I like him. They're all good in college. Davis Allen. Spoiler, they're all good in college. Davis Allen is approximately as good as Hunter along.

Who is also on the Rams. You're right, Hype. This is a great transition into offensive rookie of the air. So you guys think it's going to be Bejohn Robinson or a Pooka Nucon Kuwa. You had to bet. Anthony Bridgeson, baby, plus 900. Plus 800? 700. We have here. Seven to one.

I thought I saw it 800 earlier yesterday. So the top six odds for offensive rookie of the air. Bejohn Robinson, Bryce Young, C.J. Stroud, Anthony Richardson, Jackson Smith and Jigbun, the Seahawks, and Jemir Gibbs and the Lions running back. Yeah. Gibbs is a good. Gives is a good long one. Yeah. Yes. I will say, like, when you look at the history of the award, typically, it's, if a quarterback starts a bunch of games, they're a favorite to get it. Right.

A great example of this is, like, Like, people want to Brock Birdie to get the award. And the only thing that Brock Bertie had done was play seven games. He brainwashed everybody. He won seven games. Because once you start a lot, you accumulate counting stats. And if you accumulate counting stats, you're going to be of interest for the award. You have to have some level of team success, which is why I think Bridgeton is probably better than, like, C.J.

Stroud to the Texans. Bryce Young is a good option. But at the odds, I think Richardson is nicer. Gibbs, you really, like, you have to have a super productive season, which he can, if he gets the lion's share of the carries, which for any other team. Lion's share. There is. Yeah, we're there. For any other team, I'd be like they drafted him top 15.

He's going to get Belkow carries. But the Lions have shown us to Starklander Dan Campbell that they rotate backs. Duce Daly no longer with the lion's staff might change that a little bit. But I'm a little bit hesitant on Gibbs. I do agree with you, though. Gives a fun bet. Feels like Bichon. Yeah.

Bejohn should be shocked. For sure, he should be shocked. The last quarterbacks to win at Murray, it's like what you said, Ben. Herbert, Murray and Dak Prescott are the last three quarterbacks to win, offensive rookie. I feel like Cedestrout has no shot at rookie of the year unless the Texans are good, which I also just kind of don't think will be a thing. Also, the thing of the year is it's always a cool person.

There has to be sex appeal. Like, if you go through just the list, it's just like a bunch of people that were stunningly successful. That is so true. The last 10 are pure sex. It's sex appeal. It's Garrett Wilson. It's Jamar Chase.

It's Justin Herbert, who is not like cool or sexy, but just almost beat the Chiefs, even though Tyrod Taylor got stabbed. Came out of the game with a canon. Yeah. Like Kyler Murray, Saekwan, Alvin Camara,

Dak Prescott, who is not cool, but just won like, 12 games immediately and took Tony Roman's job. Todd Gurley, Odell Beckham, Eddie Lacey, Robert Griffin III, Cam Newton, like you have to be very cool to win.

And so, all right, but I think, one out of 12 is not very cool. He was also cool working here. Point being, I think it's Bejan Robinson or Anthony Richardson. Yeah, those are probably the two bets. All right, you want to go defense? Defense, top options here. Will Anderson on the Texans, Tyree Wilson, Raiders. This is an order of odds. Jalen Carter, Eagles, Devon Wetherspoon,

Seahawks, Christian Gonzalez. Patriots, and then sixth is Lucas Van Ness on the Packers. He's 12 to 1. What do we like? So I absolutely refuses to take the Lucas Van Nax pick. I wrote Van Ness is my answer. Did you? Yeah, at those odds?

A top 15 drafted guy? So when you go and you look back, the number one thing for defensive rookie of the year, odds betting is this. If he was picked outside of the top 16, do not draft him. Or do not bet on him, I should say. Right? You go like, Soscarner, Michael Parsons, Chase Young Nick Bosa. Okay, Shaq Lanner was outside of the top 16.

Marshall and Latimore, Joey Bosa, Marcus Peters, Aaron Donald, Shelterritchin, Lee, Von Miller, and Domincin, Sue, Brian Cushing, Gerard Mayo, Patrick Willis. I think Patrick Willis, like, might have barely made outside of the top 16. Sean Merriman, DeMico Ryans was a second round pick. Jonathanville, and Toronto sucks. You have to be super early drafted. It's just like the voters don't know your name if you didn't. It's a big part of it, right?

Like, Tariq Wollin had that run there for a little bit. And then the second, another option was presented, and Sauce Gardner was like, I take that guy, like, he's a sauce garden. Like, we know of him. And so you have to be, in my opinion. and limited to guys taking top 16. Van Ness, I think, is going to have the ability to win a starting job over the end of the season. And I also think, like, he can be a productive pass rush for all my issues with Van Ness in that defense

because there's a lot of other guys who are going to get attention. Will Anderson? Well, Anderson's going to get double teamed on the Texans defensive line, man. Like, it's Jerry Hughes as the other rusher. And so I like Van Ness at the value. Terry Wilson, being opposite Max Crosby, maybe? If he can just place Chandler Jones. True, true.

And then Jalen Carter's probably going to be. rotational early on. And he's not going to rack up stats. Devin Witherspoon is kind of an interesting one because teams have really avoided thrown to Tareke Wallen. And so maybe they like try and pick on him and he gets some stats. I don't know. We could see that.

He's 9 to 1. Well, just Will Anderson. Yeah. So I just go chalk with both or no. Yeah. Well, the thing is I just don't know if Will Anderson, like, my whole thing with him pre-draft was like, I don't know if he's a consistent 10-digit or double-digit sack guy. And I'm still there with him where I said, I think I'd rather get longer odds.

But you're not wrong. Like, he should be chalked. He's the earliest drafted edge. Nobody should take Dailen Carter. Devens of tackles don't win the award. Unless they're in Domiconsu. He also won't get credit, no matter how good he is, because he's on the Eagles and everyone's going to be like,

well, he's on the Eagles. Like, no wonder he's good. Go dogs. It's like go birds. I know. Yeah, it's good. Emails? Emails?

Emails. Emails. So a couple episodes again. we were talking about people who were only seen in public with hats on. We wanted people to do the all-hat team. And the ones we came up with were, I think on our own, were like, I forget who actually. Well, it was people who were wearing hats to hide the fact that they have a tough hair situation.

Andre Agassie, Brett Michaels, Brad Paisley, Tiger Woods. Was there one more? Agassi's not an all-hat team. Agassi played bald for quite some time. He was originally an all-wig team. He wore a wig. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

He almost had a nervous breakdown because he was afraid people were going to find out he didn't have like the mullet hair going on. It was like part of his image. His whole thing was image is everything, isn't it? Agassi also did crystal meth and would do laundry at a particularly dark moment in his career.

I didn't know that. Yeah. Tough time. I guess he's doing great now. He's like McVeigh actually. He hates tennis. Anyway, all hat team. People never see without hats.

Chance the rapper. That's a great one. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, he's wearing hat a lot. Slash? what is he like imagine if he got a haircut and like no hat I wouldn't even know what he looked like to be honest I gotta be honest I don't I can't like recall a lot of photos of like slash

just like in curly hair with like a top hat the third photo when you Google slash is him without a hat oh oh but somebody always has that hat all the other ones have a hat this is more like iconic hats like slash is the iconic top hat thing exactly there are many many photos of slash without a hat so so so sure that I should have been almost

Ironically, got him, Ben emailed in it, also saying Gabe Kapler, who I don't, a manager in baseball. A baseball player, wears a hat.

He's a San Francisco Giants manager. He used to be the Phillies manager, and he was bad. The all-timer, I actually think this is the number one. If you did a draft of people who, when you think of them are wearing a hat,

Ben emailed in, Abe Lincoln. That's really good. That's really good. The fifth photo of Gabe, Lincol does not have a hat on. First team all hat. All of the first,

all of the photos of Abraham Lincoln or with him without a hat. But I guess, presidentially speaking, you can't have a portrait drawn of you with a hat on, so he gets a pass. But Haywood's just right

in terms of, like, most iconic hat on a person, Abe Lincoln's up there. Big Abe. I think he's the 101. If you were going to, like, the first overall pick,

if you're like, the guys that, when you think of them are wearing a hat, I think Abe Lincoln's the top pick. You know, who's a really funny hat wear is Leo de Caprio. Leo DiCaprio wears a different hat

every time he's in public. There's, like, many articles written about it. He's wearing, like, Arizona State hats. Oh, right. Anaheim Ducks hats, Michigan hats. Like, he'll just wear any hat he finds from, like, a target.

Well, he's just, no, I think he's also so rich that he doesn't rewear clothes. Like Floyd Mayweather just throws out underwear what he wears them. He doesn't wash clothes. Yeah, but I bet you he replaces them with really expensive, nice underwear. Leo's wearing like $10.47 hats. Like, I just, he's just wearing anything he can find, like, Velcro-backed hats. That's a good move. I like that.

Why do you think he does that? Yeah, you're right. I can't even find photos of him with the same hat on. No. Yankees, UCLA, like, he's just wearing anything. University of Rhode Island, I'm pretty sure he didn't go to college. URI, baby. Go Rams. Kansas?

He wears all hats. Lakers, Washington State. Like, what's going on? Go Coogs? That's weird. Guy loves hats. Is it just from the girls he's hanging out with? Maybe.

Maybe it's like whoever he bet on that day. That'd be cool. Georgia, like, It's unbelievable. Scuylia DiCaprio hats. You'll have a good 10 minutes. And then later you can just go on with your life. Yeah, you know, if you just want to tune out of the day and have a good 10 minutes, just Google Leo de Cabrio hats.

Auburn. I just saw tweet. This is super out. Xavier. Super, super random. Will Brinson says, Mel Kuyper just said he eats an entire pumpkin pie every single day. What? Yeah.

I think it's hurt that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's been a thing. That's so not true. An entire pumpkin pie? That's 100% not true. Dude, it's like 5,000 calories. You know what sugar is in a pumpkin pie?

Like a canned puree that you buy? This actually explains a lot. Does that mean someone he or someone in his house is making a pumpkin pie every day? Or is he buying a pumpkin pie? Okay. In February 19th, 2017, Mel Khyper was accurate. tweetin, as one does. Tweeting.

And it's currently loading. And he said, hashtag first draft questions, which is podcast. I have to not send them now, period. And Alex Klunk replied, how often do you really eat pumpkin pie? And Melkhyber reply every morning for breakfast. And it got six likes. Maybe a slice. This was six years ago.

Is it a slice? A slice is fine. A whole pie? Every morning for breakfast, he's a pie, a slice of pumpkin pie every day for breakfast? Is he like seven years old? That's like really old school. So, so, so, so. Cai says, is this the bulking pot?

Let's get them on. Let's talk macros in the pumpkin pie. Oh my God, we could get Mel Kuiper on the polking pot and talk about pie. In 2012, Kuiper said, I eat a slice of pumpkin pie with a fat-free whipped cream because you've got to stay trim. On top every morning for breakfast.

I don't eat the crust. All right, this is less hilarious. Hold on, hold on. Now, no, no, no, no, no. He also got on ESPN Daily in 2021. and then he was asked about how he eats pizza. And he says, I take the cheese off the pizza and I eat the pizza with mashed potatoes. What?

So, this is a quote. This is a quote. He's a maniac. He's just a content lord. This is all, this is all a lie. So mashed potatoes and pizza without cheese is what I do. I think I'm healthy because I'm not eating the cheese, right?

I don't eat the cheese. I just leave a little on there for the flavor. The cheese does give you the flavor. I do leave a little bit on. You know, I think the cheese is perhaps the least, the least unhealthy part of pizza. I mean, so he's just, he's removing the protein, and he's just adding carbs onto his already carb bread with sugar tomato sauce. He's eaten tomato sauce and mashed potatoes on a flat bread.

That's what the man's eaten. This is his 40th draft. Yeah, it might be his last based on his diet. The size of this pie, the size of this slice of pie is fucking huge. Dude, I love pie personally, but all people love it. of pie, dude. DK., send that in the group chat. Here's the thing. I think this is a note for next year. We have to get Mel Kuiper on the podcast, but we should not talk about the draft at all.

We should only talk about the pie in his diet. He lives in Baltimore, apparently. How old is he? He's 60. Yeah, man, like people back in the day, like... 62. It's so uncommon now that like two dudes just, like, go into a diner and just get like a cup of coffee and a slice of pie. That doesn't happen anymore, but it was super common.

When? Back in the, you know, 70s, 80s? 50s? Maybe earlier. In the 50s, you go and order a cheeseburger get cigarettes on top. Mel said I'm part of my take in 2019. Depending on the size of the pie,

I will go through two to three full pumpkin pies per week and 12 cans of whipped cream. Two to three pumpkins. 12 cans? Yeah. That's what the part of my take tweet says. Oh, wait?

That's not true. Do you have canned and cream? How many slices per pumpkin pie? We're thinking six, eight? Six. Eight two slices of pie in seven days. Oh, my gosh. We're doing two plus slices of pie today.

So I was thinking of like canned vegetables for what he was talking about canned whipped cream. Like who has a cake? I guess it does come in like a tin or something like the thing, the whipped cream that you spray out. What are you talking about? He eats six cans. How many cans of whipped cream a week? It said 12. 12 cans of whipped cream?

A week? I was trying to picture what size can we're talking here. functionally two cans per day. You think of like a traditional like ready whip cylinder. Yeah, cylinder is what I, like I didn't realize but like a can. Like how big is a can? Are we talking like one of those big San Marzano

like tomato cans? No, I think this is what you call the whipped cream can. It's called a can. No, I know. I get it now, but I just couldn't picture it. Oh, okay. Okay. So only fat-free whipped cream and fat-free milk. Oh, that's better. And then the question was, I heard that you

buy upwards of 12 cans of whipped cream per week. Can you confirm or deny? And Mel Khyber said, yes, I can confirm. How did you know that? Follow up question. We have your postmates. That's crazy. I have always found it weird.

And D.K.'s, I mean, D.K. has sat on this pod that he most days will have a cassidia. I find it weird when people eat the same thing every day. I've always found that odd. By the way, I just said that I haven't really been eating casadias. You really? You stopped? I've kind of stopped.

Cold turkey. People sort of guilted me into it. Oh. Yeah, I don't know. Just like something that you really like, Mel Kiper clearly fucking loves pumpkin pie. I can't believe his, like, lust for it hasn't waned all these years. You never get sick of it. He still just loves it.

That's crazy to me. It's an oversaturation. I just, like, it's like if you go to a Hawaii resort every day, eventually you'll get sick of it. I don't understand how he can just have a giant slice of pumpkin pie for 30 years. And he's like, every morning he gets up with a smile on his face ready to dive into that pie. Wow. Grand Who bought

That pie That sounds like something He's just deep in that pie Oh Mel Just like the same pie Every day for the rest of your life Greg Mel hit me up

Bulkin pod Pilot episode This is gonna be like The speech at the wedding You me Rissillo Talking pie Oh my God

That would be the best episode ever Yeah I'm telling you I want Rassila to be our consultant And he comes on once week to check on the progress Bobby and I have made. It's a good idea. It's a video pod, obviously.

We do weigh-in at the beginning of every pod. It's how the pod starts. Should just do this in June on our feet? We should just do this. We have nothing to talk about. Yeah, let's all start weight goals. So what's Mel Kiper doing in June? Crushing pot. Working on.

We've got nothing going on. He's working on recipes. Growing pumpkins. He's in the lab, dude. He's tending to his pumpkin back. He's circling the globe looking for the best pumpkin. It's the weirdest thing to be obsessed with. So weird.

Also, I love pumpkin pie. I get it. Me too. Me too. I have it four times a year. Yeah, like you have at Thanksgiving and that's it. I have like five slices a year, mass. And it's the Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Sunday of Thanksgiving weekend.

Maybe somebody shows up to a Christmas party with one and I'm delighted. That's as far as I go. Oh, my goodness. They like hand out the pumpkin pies from Costco at Thanksgiving. Like, realtors do that. And then you have a pumpkin pie for a few days. That smells like great. Lunch.

All right. Well, that was the Rig Ranafil Draft show. So, amazing. A hard game on pie. That was the Ringar NFL draft show. From just like memes at the top about the draft to deep Davis Alice,

Davis Allen conversation into pumpkin pie. That was the Ringar NFL draft show. And the best thing is, apparently this pumpkin pie news is not like new it's like old. That's what's great about this entire segment is everyone already knew this and we just did 20 minutes on it. There's three picks left in the seventh round guys. Oh shit.

Oh wow. Okay. Well, we could riff till the draft it's What else do you guys think about pumpkin pie? Do you think Mel's wife is ever like, what about Cherry tonight? He's like sorry, babe. Cherry's so different. That's like way, way different. We are going to be, going back to the ringer

fantasy football show. So keep listening to our on a hinge stuff. I imagine the pumpkin pie stuff. We'll be here on Tuesday doing fantasy stuff. We're going to do rookie rankings. We're ranking rookies. We're going to rank just the top 20 players this season. We're coming up with our top 200 rankings. And we're going to be here every week of the season or every week of the summer talking fantasy apparent. I kind of, and as my mind is worrying now, I'm kind of thinking,

can we get Riscilla and Mel Kuiper just to talk about pumpkin pie? Well, we're going to have some stuff for you this summer. So I would like to thank Craig. I would like to thank D.K. I would like to thank Kai for producing this episode. I would like to thank Mel Kiper in advance for coming on and being a great guest. But I would mostly like to thank Benjamin Solak for just honestly just being an absolute. I'm just going to be like real corny for a second.

Honestly, just an absolute pleasure to work with. He's like one of the smartest people in the entire football industry. I learned something from Solek literally every time we talk, whether it's on or off the air. Hi, play the outro music. Hi. It's my new pandemic. Play the purge horns. Stop it.

No, it's honestly, it's just an absolute pleasure to work with Solek. And on top of that, it's, uh, he's also really funny. Apparently he has no sense of smell, which is kind of weird. But everything else about him is very sure. Don't worry about it. I got to get, I got to get Ben a pumpkin candle. Dude, he's like apple candles. And I was like, you know what?

I believe him. He doesn't have a sense of smell. I love being on the draft show over year It's so much fun This was a great time It was a great draft Looking forward to the 2024 class Nucks

Caleb Williams looks like he's all right It's gonna be a good time I love that you're willing to come into our messy play pen and just like play ball with us You're a craftsman and you show up And you know you play games with us And you play ball with our gimmicks It's so cool because like people

Like our ringer managers Like the people who always ask me Like the last few months here Like how's the draft show going? What's it like? And I'm like it's just it's so easy it's the best. Don't say that.

We talked about six positions for most of the show. There's a Mel Kuiper pumpkin pie? It's like, what, 20 minutes, right? No, it's so effortless. It's so natural. It's so much fun. I love you guys. Ditto.

I love it. The show. This is absolutely insane. And I got to tell you, you know what? You got to differentiate your lane. I don't even think even Mel Kuiper talks about pie that much. I don't know what that. I have wagerie does.

You know that that's part? Every morning, he probably is like telling, oh, honey, got the pie this morning. Oh, my God, it was Chris. The crust, and he just breaks it down. He doesn't eat the cross back. Daniel. He doesn't eat the-heed-heed-heed-heed-heed-heed. Yeah.

Oh, my God. Why even put a mess of whipped cream on top. It gives a big ball of mush. Fat-free. Fat-free. That sounds awful. Kyle, well, hold on. Kai just slacked.

Is it not an absolute pleasure to work with me, Hy-Fitz? Kai, you're not leaving the show. You're still slayed. Yeah. You're stuck here. Quit your job and then we'll start talking about you, all right? You're still here. God's like, that's fair.

She's like, all right. Oh, my God. All right, let's get out of here before. Solek is like, it's so nice to work with you guys. Also, I have to leave. It's so, all right. He's like, but seriously, I actually don't record the Philly pot. You thanked Ben, you thanked everybody.

You didn't thank the most integral part of this draft season, this draft podcast. Thank you, Lord. Lord. It wouldn't be possible. Thank you, Shania Twain. That song is so Being a woman It's the prerogatives

To have a little fun Is that it? I didn't want to mess up the words Totally crazy Shania rips Great bar music Surprisingly good You're at a dance floor

Shania comes on Everyone knows it Also great bathroom music Which it's been on In the Spotify office bathrooms For the last three days While we've been here DK's just listening to Shinaia

Like taking a shit Bob at his head head back and forth. Dick is just the dad who just like this made a good mood. It's been a great mood. Mr. Irrelevant. Rams take Toledo defensive lineman DeJuan Johnson, who I have no, I've never heard of this person. We made it.

The draft is over. Wow. Literally right now. The draft is over. Incredible. And so is the NFL draft show. Poetic. Goodbye, everyone.