The Ringer NFL Show - 2023 NFL Mock Draft: The First 10 Picks | The Ringer NFL Draft Show

Episode Date: January 12, 2023

Welcome back to another episode of The Ringer NFL Draft Show! This week, the guys open by briefly recapping Georgia’s huge win over TCU in the College Football Playoff National Championship (2:05). Next, they mock the first 10 picks of the 2023 NFL draft (6:15). Finally, they close with America’s favorite segment, “Two Jargons, One Lie” (54:15). Chicago Bears, Pick #1 (6:27) Houston Texans, Pick #2 (14:36) Arizona Cardinals, Pick #3 (21:00) Indianapolis Colts, Pick #4 (25:10) Seattle Seahawks, Pick #5 (29:43) Detroit Lions, Pick #6 (32:49) Las Vegas Raiders, Pick #7 (37:45) Atlanta Falcons, Pick #8 (40:20) Carolina Panthers, Pick #9 (45:22) Philadelphia Eagles, Pick #10 (49:41) Check back in on this feed every Thursday for more of The Ringer NFL Draft Show. Take part in the Ringer FanDuel Playoff Contest! Email us! [e-mail] Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Ben Solak, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey everyone. Before we get to the show today, just wanted to tell you, but the ringer NFL playoffs leaderboard challenge on Fandul, users can play against people like me, DK, Craig, Bill Simmons, and other ringer personalities for the chance to win cash prizes. There will be contests every weekend leading up to the Super Bowl and won big prize for the player with the three best combined contest scores over the next three weekends. It starts this weekend. Come try and beat me, D.K, and Craig by clicking the link in the description of this podcast or go to fandle.com slash ringer leaderboard and click on wild. card Saturday and Wild Card Sunday to access each day's content. That's Fandall.com slash ringer leaderboard. Okay, let's get to the show. Welcome to the Ringer NFL Draft Show. My name is Danny Heifitz. I am joined by our two draft experts, Danny Kelly, and Ben Solack. And also, Craig Horlebeck is back with us today.

And also Craig. We're joined by our two draft experts and Craig. I like that. Give me an adjective next time. Every front office should have a Craig. Here's our general manager. Here's our director of player personnel. Here's Kevin.

and just, Kevin just make sure we don't do knucklehead stuff. Kevin keeps us in the realms of reality. Who's the guy McVeigh hired Benoit? What's his name? And even why? That's me. I don't know. He drinks like gallons of milk in the park.

I don't know. Anyway, we're coming to you here every Thursday in the Ringer Fantasy Football Show feed. That's the Ringer Fantasy Football Show feed. The Ringer NFL Draft show. All the Fantasy Football Show feed. Every Thursday between now and the NFL draft. We didn't do it last Thursday. It was complicated.

Dekad COVID. It was a whole thing. Our whole schedule got scrambled. But, And now Siri's talking. What is going on with the beginning of this show? Oh, my goodness. What did Siri find about COVID?

What did she say? I think she called Andy Benoit. I don't know. You accidentally activate Siri more than any person I've ever. I don't. Yeah. No one else I know has this problem and you have it insistently. You're like 78 years old.

But Siri. Okay. Anyway, regular season's over. So we're going to do a mock draft. Top 10. It's really fun. But before that, we were like, oh, yeah, we'll talk about the college football playoff

in the national championship game. There's nothing to say. I don't know what we could say that has it already been very obviously made. George is good. Largest margin of victory ever at a bowl game, which is pretty astonishing for a championship. I believe so, right?

Oh, Jesus. That's tough. Soak, you bet a live line of minus 57 and a half? That's so funny. Which is the funniest thing I've ever heard. It's important to clarify. As I said in the tweet, I'm betting this to then share.

I'd have the story of having bet the live line of minus 57 and a half. And it hit, okay? So no further questions. The over-under was 62. Georgia hit that on their own. It's like, God. But anyway, there wasn't much to talk about, but honestly, I forgot this until we came in. Kai, our producer here, turn on your camera.

Kai, TCU alum, drove six hours to go to the game. It's true. I did. It was terrible. It was getting rained on in the stadium. Yeah, that's insult to injury that it rained. Oh, you were in the rain slot? Oh, yeah, I was in the nosebleeds.

Just getting poured on. If people don't know this, so far has a roof, but they have like holes at the walls. So it's like indoors, but you can get raided. It never raids in L.A. So I'm sorry, I don't mean to laugh at your pain, but I'm going to. You have six hours to watch your team have the worst loss ever in the bowl game, as if that wasn't a strong enough, you literally were rained on inside. I was literally rained on.

and me and my girlfriend went and we thought it was like going into like sick girlfriend brag sick brag waiting out keep out we're just like you know

this could be one of the greatest sporting events ever it could be one of the biggest upsets this could be like one of the best

sporting events like I remember in my life and it wasn't it was the worst it turns out it was still a historical night

but just for different reasons it was the red wedding it was born back it's horrible not fun I'm sorry I'm sorry

Was there any positives to take? Did you have fun on the way? Had you been to Sofi? Did you like Sofi? Yeah, no. Well, I did like Sofi until I started getting rained on. But the drive up there was fun. That's about where it ended. I was excited to see Sofi and it was beautiful.

But yeah, no, the game just, you know, I left and it was 52 to 7. And then by the time I got to the shuttle, like just to the shuttle, they had scored again or like twice or something. And I was just like, this is just outmatched. I was going to say at least you got to enjoy bright and sunny Los Angeles, but you were there for like a historic rain storm.

And I drove back right after the game ended. So like 8 o'clock or something, six hours back, just pouring rain the whole time. I just had to sit with it. What's a six hour car ride after a 50 point loss in the national championship like? Just misery. What are we playing? Dashboard confessional.

It was silent for a while. Got on the phone for a little bit with a friend. and then it was just kind of like shuffle. I had no energy to play anything. Was it like, did you get to the point where you said to yourself, hey, you know what? At least I went.

I'm happy I went. Are you there right now? I think I'm there right now. I think I was there driving back because I was just like thinking about it. I was like, yeah, TCU got freaking dumped on on national television and all that good stuff in the biggest stage possible.

But, you know, I was like, you know, we still had a hell of a season. We still made it that far. I'm still proud of the team. And, you know, to go from a five and seven season 200 to 1 odds, 7th in the Big 12 or whatever, to where we were. You know, still a great season. But yeah, it still hurts.

Better to have loved and lost and to have never loved at all. Exactly. Oh, my God. Okay. Well, anyway, Kai, sorry about that. Also, I'm going to laugh about you getting rained on inside, like for months, if not. Congrats on a great season, though. TCU.

Yeah, that's awesome. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, go frogs. Go frogs. He looks genuinely sad, but hang in there, Kai. Always good to start a mock with, like, a lot of just some bullying, some good healthy communal bullying.

And then, all right, we're ready to go. Yeah, yeah, perfect. All right, so there we go. So that said, mock draft. We're going to do the top 10. We got the draft order set. What are we going to do here? Alternating DK.

You're going to go first and then SOAC and we'll go back and forth. Okay. So, yeah, we'll start off here. Number one, before you even do the mock, we have to acknowledge the Chicago Bears have the number one pick in the draft. This changes everything. After months of thinking it was going to be the Texans. The Texans converted the only fourth and 20 of the entire.

seasoned to score and avoid getting the first pick so that Luffy Smith could do one last for Chicago and screw over to Texas. This is incredible. Building blocks. Momentum to next year, you know, wins a win. So there you go. The 3 and 14 Chicago Bears, it is hilarious did the first pick. So the question that everyone will be asking for months, D.K., do the bears keep Justin Fields

and either use this pick or trade this pick or trade Justin Fields and use this pick on a quarterback? Or do you just choose which one will get you more and then use that? Yeah, I mean, obviously, I think as we get closer to the draft, the odds are that they're going to move this pick, I would say, and try and, you know, if you're looking at what Ryan Poles has done, like he's trying to accumulate draft picks, trying to accumulate as much cap space as humanly possible going into this next year,

they have the building blocks to do a lot of things, and maybe they can turn this first pick. Maybe this is a blessing they can turn this first pick into even more, like future firsts. And so I would not be surprised to see them do that. However, we're not going to be doing trades in this just because that just opens Pandora's box of, infinite possibilities of what could happen. So we're just going to stick and say,

this is what would happen if the bears don't trade out of first. And of course, the first question is, do they take a quarterback? I'm going to say no. I'm going to say that they stick here and don't take a quarterback. I'm going to go with Will Anderson. This is obviously a very sort of just chalky, obvious pick. It's probably going to come down to Jalen Carter,

the defensive tackle out of Georgia, or Will Anderson, edge rusher out of Alabama. For me, if I'm picking first overall, despite how good Jalen Carter is, I think I'm taking an edge rusher over an interior defensive tackle. So that's my pick. I don't think they're going to take a quarterback,

at least as of this moment, I don't think they will. But yeah, Will Anderson. What do you think? Well, I was going to say, so that we just spent all the time laughing about how good Georgia's defense was, and so I'm curious,

do you think Will Anderson, the edge from Alabama, or do you think Jalen Carter, who has been just wrecking as a defensive tackle for Georgia, do you think that Will Anderson's like better? I'm curious what you think of those two guys? guys. I have Carter's a better player. I have them both is really good. Anderson's better than any of the

edges that we had come out last year. Comfy. The film this season was not as like peppered with jaw-dropping plays as the film in 2021 was. I'm okay with that. He got a lot of attention. That's no problem. Also like when we're drafting edges, a lot of the times the boxes that we want to check are athletic boxes, right? Like what's your how explosive are you off the line? What sort of length do you have? You have the ability to corner and he has all that very clearly in spades. So over a two-year sample size, film-wise, I'm not concerned with what I've seen from Will Anderson. I think Carter's better because I think Carter's, like, right now when I think of guys in this

class who are just like different DNA, Carter's that guy who comes to mind just because of the power, because of the quickness, because of the way that he replaces guys, he can be a penetration player, he can be a two-gapping player, he can be over the center, over the guard, he can stun, he can just do everything you ask a Deven's a tackle to do. You just don't see Deven's a tackle's taking that highly, right? the classic example is always we had in 2010 Indomacan Sue go with the second overall pick

Gerald McCoy went with the third overall pick and then a year later, 2011, Marcel Darius went with a third overall pick. So if you're taking a defense to tackle top two, top three, you're looking for an endomic and Sue like player. And I think Carter is that, but even then, like that's a steep ask for the career that Sue had.

Obviously got banged up and, you know, it tailed off there, but during his prime, truly a game wrecking player. I understand taking Will Anderson there. I think if we get closer and we realize how much teams like Jalen Carter, we do have to start preparing ourselves for a defense's tackle going top two, top three. It kind of reminds me of last year because I don't think anyone thought he would, that Trouvon Walker would go number one.

Like in the leading months to the draft, like probably, I think as it got really close, it was like, oh, he's going to be the first overall pick. But in the few months before the draft, it was mostly like, oh, he could be a lot higher than you think. but first overall, like that was a big surprise. I think this year, I'm going to be even more open-minded about whoever, like anybody could be the first pick for all I know. Like Will Levis could be the first pick.

And so, yeah, I kind of just went with, I prioritized the position of this pick. I do think I would probably agree that Jalen Carter is a better player, but I think Will Anderson's a really, really good player. If you look back in the last two years, I think he leads the country in tackles for a loss, like he's put up really big numbers. He has almost prototypical, like, measurables.

He's really long, really explosive. You know, he has room to grow in terms of, like, his repertoire of moves and all that stuff. Like, teams are drafting the guy that they think is going to be elite passers. That's why Trouin Walker went number one last year. And that's why I think Will Anderson could go number one this year. DK., what do you think the odds are that the Bears trade this pick? You know, that's a great question. Probably, like, 70%.

I don't know. What do you think, Soak? I would say the odds that the bears trade something is 99%. Right. I would say of that 99% yeah. Like I would say 75, no, 80 to 85% of that is they trade the first overall pick. Then there's the 15-ish percent that they trade fields and they take a quarterback with this first overall pick. This is actually a good time to talk about it.

I know that we're lingering on the bears, but would you trade fields or would you take one the quarterbacks in this class. You would pry Justin Fields contract from my cold dance, brother. We have two years of fields left, and then you'd get four years of whoever, right? Bryce Young T.J. Stroud. Five years, really, yeah. Right. And we'd be talking to the fifth year option.

The thing for me is like, there's two major things that come to mind. One is that when I get a quarterback in the NFL pretty quickly, like it can be hard to figure out exactly how good he's going to be, but pretty quickly you can figure out whether or not he's going to be able to keep his head above water, right? like the Josh Rosen effect. Like this guy's incredible. Top one pick. And then he came out within four games.

You're like, oh, this is not going to, this is going to work. And you never got close. Like he never even approached anything remotely. Or like Trevor Lawrence last year where like you watch like, all right, Lawrence's numbers are bad. Like this office is terrible.

But you'd watch him and go, oh, like yeah. Like this, I can get it. Like we're going to be able to like, there's stuff to invest in here. Fields is over that bar. Once I have a guy over the bar, I don't want to screw around. Right?

Like I'm like, I don't need to reintroduce the risk of taking a guy top five and setting my franchise back three years, coughed New York Jets, end cough, because he can't get over the bar, because he just can't hang at the NFL level. So that's the first thing that comes to mind. The second thing is the Haifitz refrain, right? It's Hyphus' favorite point. Quarterback development is about environment, much more so than we want to allow it to be,

much more so than we talk about. The bears have not done a good job building around Justin Fields to develop him. What makes us look at this roster and go, oh, yeah, if they take Bryce Young, he'll be fine. They're going to break Bryce Young. With this offensive line? He's going to kill him, right? Will Will Levis get up to NFL speed? Not with these receivers.

They're not ready for a young quarterback receiver. Even if you want to move on from fields, you should have freaking fix what do you got around him? So you could actually install a rookie and be successful. If they were to draft a rookie, they'd put him in the same dangerous waters they put fields and he'd generate the same bad habits. I also think, and I didn't actually look at all the picks that they have because I know that they've got a few other picks that they've collected. Well, the Bears traded away the 32nd pick in this draft for Chase Claypool,

who had like two catches for 20 yards. per game to finish the season. Craig just fist bumping in the background. Craig, you ass. No, but that was going to be my point is basically they don't have their second rounder in this of their original second rounder or whatever, which means, which is another reason I think

that they may look to move back here and like a likelihood of them moving back. So they can maybe pick two guys in the top 40 or something like that. You know what I mean? And so that's my thinking. So let's go to the next pick here. So we'll give the Bears, Willie Anderson from Alabama. Next up is the Texans picking second.

Again, it's just hilarious because Levy Smith blew it for them. So it's hilarious their second. I assume we're all on the same page here that Houston is 100% taking quarterback. So I'm curious, So lack. Which quarterback do you have the Texans taking here? I don't, it's what, January 11th. I still don't know which quarterback I like the most in this class. I was so ready to quit CJ Stroud.

And then he played that semi-final against Georgia. And now I'm in a bad way. Oh, man. That was some impressive film. It's tricky. the chalk pick here has been Bryce Young out of Alabama. I'm willing to make that pick still. So I'll say it's young out of Alabama for Houston.

They drafted John Metcay last year. There's like an existing quarterback to wide receiver relationship, which is always nice. Bryce Young's intangibles are through the roof. This is the sort of franchise that's going to care about that sort of thing, especially in light of Deshaun Watson and the way that their last franchise quarterback had his tenure end with the team. So Bryce checks boxes that Houston's going to look for particularly.

And then in terms of talent, in terms of, of playing the quarterback position well. I think he plays it better than Stroud. I think he plays it better than Levis. I think he plays it better than Richardson. I like what he does. I think he's got the best on-field product. The question is height.

The question is the size, right? We've talked about this a lot on the first episode of the show. So if you haven't listened, you should go back. But Bryce Young is a radically small player, radically small for the quarterback position. It's not like, oh, he's Kyler. No, no. Kyler was like thick. Kyler was dense.

Kyle could take a hip. Bryce Young is a small, slight individual. And you have to be extremely well. about his ability to hold up over the course of a season, over the course of several seasons, over the course of his first contract, into his second contract, if you're going to draft him and hit your wagon to him for 10 years.

So Bryce Young for now, at number two for the Texans' first quarterback off the board because I think he's the most talented, but we're going to learn a lot. The number one thing we're going to learn about, actually it's not true. The number thing we're to learn about this cycle is what the Bears do with the Beck.

The number two thing we learn about, 1B is going to be what teams are willing to trust Bryce Young's and which teams aren't, which teams will take that swing and which teams won't. physically to me, it's just, the Bryce Young thing is a massive, massive question. He's going to be the outlier of outliers. They just keep thinking about Hunter Renfro.

Like, he has the body of Hunter Renfro. Like he's, but he's probably shorter. You know what I mean? Like, imagine that being an NFL quarterback. I'm stealing this as a bit. Thank God. You guys, you guys have seen Hunter Renfell, right? Yeah, quarterback.

That's it. That's what we're working with. So obviously, I know. He's athletic and he can move around. He's very, very elusive in the pocket. He has great vision. He's a good football player. All that stuff.

But I do think that is going to be, it's an issue. It's a thing. Teams are going to be worried about it. You know what I mean? Have you seen how big some of these players in the NFL are? Like, Jalen Carter is going to pick him up and break him over his knee or something. You know what I mean? Like, that's worrisome.

Which quarterbacks, I'm asking both you, D.K. and Ben here. Hiveitz, hop in two if you want to. Which quarterbacks in this draft, let's go with Stroud, Young, and I guess Will Levis, are the most nurture proof. Hiveitz talked about, you know, he loves talking about how when a quarterback is in a bad situation, they're less likely to succeed. But obviously there are some quarterbacks that are more impervious to that than others.

So a team like the Bears of the Texans drafting a quarterback, which of these three quarterbacks that we're talking about do you think are the most kind of environment-proof to still succeed despite the lack of talent around them? That's a good question. Yeah, a good question.

I would say Young, for sure, is because Young's got poised, young's got the ability to make second reaction throws, right, outside of the pocket, outside of structure, do the things that are off the script. And I would also say with some confidence that Levis is, isn't because we saw Levis two years ago play behind an NFL, a more talented offensive

line with an NFL officer, with Wondale Robinson, an NFL wide receiver, and play tremendous football. And then we saw Liam Cohen, his office coordinator, leave for the NFL. We saw Wanda Robinson get drafted, and we saw his offensive line lose some talent. Luke Fortner went to the Jags third round. And it was bad. Like the 2021 to 2022 change for Levis was drastic. The offensive line couldn't withstand for him, and he had to try to make a lot of stuff

happen. So I'd say Levis definitely need some coddling at first. Stroud is a tricky one because now we're talking about, okay, he's a smart cookie, just how smart a cookie is he. Just how well is he to be able to kind of step in and manage the pocket? A lot of like the Stroud arc reminds me a lot of the conversations we used to have about DAC when he was young. When like Dak walked in and he started behind that 2016 Cowboys line. Right. And it was like he got such a nice runway to like learn how to work at NFL speed because he's had room and time and comfort.

and once their line got worse, he kind of had to have like a year or two later a little learning process of like, oh, pressure and like moving around and this and the other thing. Stroud is a similar thing where it's like if he gets, I think he kind of needs that nurture.

I think he kind of needs that runway to make sure he can work the pocket at the NFL level. If he gets put out there behind like a bad front like the Bears, I could see it be in real trouble real quick. Yeah. So that game that he played the other week where he was moving around, like against Georgia,

where he's moving around and getting out of the pocket, directing guys and doing all the things that you really desperately wanted to see him, too. Like, that was a huge, huge step for him. But I do think, like, with Stroud, you can't, it's hard to answer that question because you cannot overstate how good the receiver talent that he's been playing with has been over the last few years. He had literally Olavé, who was maybe the best receiver in the, the best rookie receiver. First round pick, Chris Olave, first round pick, Garrett Wilson.

He was like 13th or 14. Garrett Wilson was the 10th pick. That was another guy who's starting to. He was the other great rookie receiver this year. Like, you could debate who was better. Jackson Smith and Jigba, who's outproduced both of those guys last year. And, you know, in theory could be better. Like, I think he's probably going to be a mid-to-first-round pick or mid-first-round pick.

And then Marvin Harrison, Jr., who's not even eligible for this draft class, but it would be the number one receiver in the draft class if he was. Like, he has four of the best college prospects in the, the last 10 years. In that way that I think Stroud is kind of similar to what Tua was four years ago, not that they're similar players, but that Tua played with like four or five first run picks as skill positions. So the bottom line is it's like, well, we've, he's literally been playing with the best

skill position talent in the country for the last two years. So what do we do? What do we make of this? I don't know. So we'll continue the Stroud conversation a bit because we're still on the clock here. So, all right, we're going Will Anderson to the Bears first. And then, bam, again, Texans get Bryce Young second. D.K. Cardinals are 4 and 13.

They're picking third. Cliff Kingsbury, the head coach, has been fired. Steve Kahn and the GM is essentially resigned, I guess. Kyler Murray has this massive contract extension, but he's recovering from a torn ACL. It's probably not even going to be ready for week one next year. DeAndre Hopkins is probably going to get traded. The Cardinals basically have an injured franchise quarterback and almost

like nothing else of substance. So what do you think the Cardinals do here? What do you have them doing? Yeah, I mean, if you look, I'm just looking at them on our lads, like there were depth charts. They have, JJ Watts retiring. Their defense of line is getting older. Marcus Golden's getting up there. I think that they need to just do the trenches thing.

They just need to, as long as they believe in Kyler, just build through the trenches, do it like normal franchise. So the Cardinals are in World War I right now. Well, they've drafted two offball linebackers in the first round in the last couple of years. An interesting approach. It's the opposite of doing what I'm saying here, which is like take the high, what is the word I'm looking for?

I can't remember the word, but like the most important position. Um, best player available? Premium. Premium is the word I was looking for. Thank you. The premium positions. And so, um, to me, like, just take the best player at the, at a premium position. I wouldn't say that defensive tackle is necessarily the most premium position.

But I think Carter could probably line up all along the line. You know, he could be a three forward. So you're giving them a Jalen Carter from Georgia? Yeah. I think he could be an end in their scheme and like wreck havoc, you know, line up against, like up front with tackles and cards. So I think, I think Jailen Carter's incredible. I know we talked about number one

when Will Anderson with the Bears. So basically, Georgia had the best defense, one of the best defenses in history of college football last year. And then three of those defensive linemen were drafted in the first round. Jordan Davis gets Heisman votes. Trayvon Walker goes number one in the draft. And then you're saying that Jalen Carter,

who wasn't even one of those three guys last year, he stays on this year's Georgia team. And is he actually the best one of all those dudes? Yeah. Including the number one pick in last year's draft? Yep. Yeah. And it's been that way since last year.

like if Carter could have come out I don't know if he goes before Walker because Trim Balke saw Alden Smith and blacked out but he like he would have been he would have been the best prospect of before. Yeah, I just think he makes their team he instantly upgrades that defense line like massively.

I've heard people who are some good comps for him so like I've heard people compare him to like you know, Fletcher Cox is one name that comes to mind Jeffrey Simmons is another name that comes to mine. How about an 18 wheeler that the Joker drive? in Dark Night because it's like that play where he lines up as a fullback and I think it was against like Arkansas thing and he moves like three lines he stacks them like they're like Russian dolls or something like he just moves three or like you know that one of those balls that go back and

forth the Newton balls we hit one and then the last one moves he does that to like three linebackers it's two and the third one falls down there was a play against LSU where he sacked the quarterback and just picked him up with one hand literally just picked him up like he was a little kid and then put up his other hand. Like he was a coach or something. Like held up his finger like during a, during a play. He's just sacking the guy with one hand, one arm, and holding up his hand with the other hand. Like he's just that dominant physically. I like the Fletcher Cox comp a bit. He's a little bit less linear than Cox, but the thing about Cox that always, um, that like made him such a unique and such an impressive player was Fletch came out

and at 298 pounds of the combine ran a 707 three cone drill, which is 98% of title for defensive tackles. For perspective, if a wide receiver ran that time, you'd be like, oh, solid. 298 pounds. Jalen Carter thinks he's a wide receiver. If you look up, he retweets all his own highlights. He's one of those guys. Good, quality.

We love that. From 14 to 19, all Jalen Carter did was just try to do Odell Beckham catches over kids at football camps. I love this guy. He's also number 88. Yeah, the change of direction. The way that Jaling Carter gets around a corner reminds me of some prime Fletcher cock stuff.

I've seen Quinn and Williams or don't love. Jeffrey Simmons also makes sense, but Simmons got hands like center blocks. I'm not sure. Like, that's, Carter's, car honestly does too on it.

But that's like not as much as calling card. So yeah, it's pick a good defense attack the last 10 years. I can find a way to comp him to Jim Carter. I think that's a really good one.

So next up here, the Colts, they're four and 12 and one. Again, so this has got to be a quarterback, right? Like which quarterback are the court's take? I got dealt such a nice,

easy, early hand in this one. Just right. What quarterbacks do I want to take? again, so if we're going about ways that I think these teams should go about it, then I'm taking CJ Stroud for the Colts because I like Stroud as the second best quarterback in the class. I'll tell you right now,

if you're asking me to bet on what the Colts were to do, if this were the first three picks, I bet with a lot of confidence they'd take Will Levis. But as it is right now, I'm going to take Stroud. Wait, Craig, you don't like Stroud? Not really. No, and I just think it's hilarious that they're going to go, that Ben thinks they're going to take Will Levis.

I find the Will Levis narrative to be, you know, obviously weird in some ways, but also hilarious in others. Yeah, welcome to draft season. This is all peculiar and upsetting, but we're going to find it funny instead. So basically you think the Colts would take Will Levis because they would hire Jeff Saturday, and Will Levis will just headbut Jeff Saturday during the thing. And they're just going to be like, yo, bro, and then they just have a good time. Yeah, and I also think Erse is going to be really involved in the decision. And I think if Ursa is really involved in the decision, then, like, the cut of the guy's jib is going to matter a lot, right?

you think about... The broie white quarterback will make an impression on Jim Ursay. The jib factor. And Erse had Peyton Manning and he had Andrew Luck, right?

He had two of these kind of like... Obviously, like, Lux's a little bit different in terms of like being bookish and whatever, but he had these dynamic personalities, right?

And Stroud's just like a pretty muted guy. You know what I'm saying? Like Stroud doesn't really do the Rha-Russis Bumba as much as you think of Will Levis might. All this is also like total speculation. It's just re-ded the room. We didn't even know

how the Colts head coach is yet and how that's going to impact things, right? If the Colts hired Jim Harbaugh tomorrow, well, Harbaugh got a good look at Stroud quite a bit. And, like, I'll be curious to see how that would impact whether or not they take him. Regardless, Colts have offensive line issues. They had poor performance this year,

but they're financially tied to a lot of those guys. So it's tough to imagine that being able to turn the offensive line around really quickly, which means that they're going to put Stroud back there behind a shaky offensive line. Like we talked about, that might not be the best situation for Strouds. He tends to be a bit more of a pocket passer. However, against Georgia, the plays that he were making were really, really, really exciting.

In terms of, okay, maybe the reason this guy just hung around in the pocket all season is because nobody in the Big Ten could really move him out of the pocket. And when he does get moved out of the pocket, he's actually able to do stuff and create. And we're just kind of seeing a new level of him now rising to this competition that he's facing. The wide receivers

that he's played with, like Danny said, have occluded a little bit of his projection. He has so much wide receiver talent makes his isolation so, so easy. Well, they've invested a lot in wide receiver. They're in Indianapolis. They have Michael Pittman. They have a second round picking, Alec Pierce,

they have a great match of tight end in Jolani Woods, Paris Campbell, an upcoming free agent, but still, it's not like Parrish Campbell's anything to write home about. They have weapons. And so if Stroud's going to be kind of like a pocket, you know, dart him, dice him up, sort of a guy, Indianapolis does have like the foundation of a receiver core that I think can work for that. They probably need more, but they have the foundation.

So Stroud, yeah, as a top five pick and go into the Colts, I don't mind it at all. But Indianapolis is a weird spot. We got to get a head coach in there, and we got to see kind of who's going to run the ship and how they're going to run it before we can get a feel and what quarterback they're going to take. D.K., you compared Stroud to Jared Goff, but I feel like Stroud ran more in that game against Georgia than he had. I actually saw that.

I wish I had it in front of me. Basically, I don't know if it was running for first downs or scramble something, but Stroud basically ran more in that Georgia game than he did in, like, the last year or two combined. I'm curious if that changes what you think of him. Yes. The other, so, yeah, the two cons that I've seen that actually makes sense to me were basically like Jared Goff, but in a good way. And then the other guy I said was like late career DAC where he's not running around as much as he was early in his career. He's just more of like a pocket guy. But he like physically speaking, like the way they throw and their mechanics are like reminiscent for me.

So I like the late career DAC comp a little bit more. But yes, that game, honestly like him running around, him scrambling, him doing some scramble drill stuff where he threw a couple touchdowns that where he was out of structure. And he was like, you know, getting out of the pocket and making things happen. Like that was exactly what people wanted to see because he just really didn't do it hardly ever in the previous couple of years. Maybe that was just because that's the way he was coached up and that they just have a good enough offense.

He didn't really need to do it. But I think that, you know, even though it's just one game, a lot of times, you know, GMs and stuff are just like, oh, I've seen him do that, therefore he can do it. You know what I mean? And so I think that's going to be massive for him. I think it's going to be huge. All right.

We'll have a lot of stroud, Bryce Young. We'll let us talk. But for all right now, we're going to. Given the Colts, C.J. Stroud. I'm so nervous. The Seahawks. The Seattle Seahawks are on the clock. This is via Russell and the Denver Broncos. This is incredible.

So, look, Gina Smith has been fantastic for the Seahawks. I'm going to go out and say the Seahawks are going to, in my humble opinion, they're going to re-sign Geno Smith. So I don't think that precludes the Seahawks and draft quarterback. But in this scenario, they have re-signed Gino-Smith to a reasonable deal. It doesn't preclude them to take a quarterback here, but they don't have to. So, D.K., in that situation, do you think the Seahawks take a quarter? like Will Levis and let him sip on Gino?

Do you think they're going to take a position player? Who do you have them with the Seahawks with the fifth pick here? Oh, God, this is impossible. So I could definitely see them taking a quarterback and still sign it. So basically sign Gino to like a two or three year deal or whatever it is. And then also take a quarterback to start developing him. I could honestly see them really falling in love with Will Levis. As much as people will probably make fun of them for that, like he has an incredible arm.

He's athletic. He's got the tools. and, you know, like Ben was saying early in the show, like he's going to be very impressive, I think, to like on the blackboard or chalkboard or whatever and like in the meeting rooms, just his persona, his work ethic, all that stuff. Like that does matter to teams.

It absolutely matters. He's like an IG model or something that you're debating dating. And you're like, well, when you actually like date them, it's probably not going to work out. But man, on paper, everything looks great. Well, I mean, let's put your, so we make fun of it. And I'm part of that.

But like, if you're a team and you're, staking your career on someone. Do you want a knucklehead who has an elite talent? Or do you want a guy who's going to come in and work every day really, really hard, represent the organization, do take coaching, all this shit. And Will Levis is the knucklehead. Will Levis is not a knucklehead, I don't think is what I'm saying. Like, he's a guy that can take coaching and he's going to try and improve.

From what you're hearing, like, the teams love his, his personality and everything off the field. I think you're right, D.K., that that all matters, but I also think that people generally overestimate their ability to protect those things. 100%. I know that you're a Seahawks fan. I know that this is like a very emotional process for you, but having said that I'll ask you again, who do you think the Seahawks take here?

I'm going to not take a quarterback, and that leaves me with a couple of edge guys that I really like. There's two guys that I think will be connected to the Seahawks a lot, Miles Murphy from Clemson, Edge, and Tyree Wilson from Texas Tech. I personally, so like with Murphy, Elite Get Off, elite athlete,

really long, like prototypical size, all that stuff, I think they're going to like Tyree Wilson a lot, just because he manhandles people. talked about him on the cool players show. Tyree, Tyree Wilson is very much a what the Seahawks thought L.J. Collier was.

100%. 100%. If L.J. was real, not made up in Seahawks' mind. Yes. So I'm going to take Tyree Wilson, even though that might be just a tiny bit high. I don't think that's ever bothered the Seahawks play. You know what I mean? Like, they don't care about really what, like, where guys are

projected. So I'm going to go Tyree Wilson just because he's a very unique player with incredible measurables and they frankly suck on the defensive line this last year and they need some help. Next up here, this is convenient how this draft has worked for us to go back in alternating fashion. Solac, the sixth pick here, the Detroit Lions are up because they have it from the L.A. Rams. So I think we can officially say that Matt Stafford trade was officially a win-win.

Now that the Lions get the sixth pick. So like, you live in Michigan. I was going to say birds, but they're, what a, go Michigan. Restore the blue. There it is. Thank you. ingrained in this is also like whether the lines stick with Jared Goff or not. So I'm curious, who do you think the Lions take here?

Lines are a tricky one to figure out. So Brad Holmes gave a throated defense of Jared Goff as his starting quarterback for 2023, saying I never thought of him as a bridge, which I call BS, but whatever. He played quite well over the backstretch of this season. As I was talking with somebody else in the football space about whether or the lines would take a quarterback. and what I told him was think about how much you love your kids. And that's about how much Brad Holmes loves Jared Gough. And so it's going to be tough to move Brad Holmes off the Jared Gough spot.

As it is right now, I don't think this is a quarterback spot for the Lions. It would be reasonable if they took one. I don't think they are going to take one. Depth chart-wise, lines are pretty good, right? Offensive line is quite steady except for the guard spot. They have to shore up. This isn't really a good draft for interior offensive line. They were kind of were making it up at tight end after T.J. Hawkinson.

And it's a good draft for tight end, but I'm not taking, you know, I don't have like a Kyle Pitts, so I'm not going to be drafting a guy in the top 10. And then defensively, they kind of are cycling through a lot of different players. Alex Anzolone, who is starting Mike linebacker for them as potentially a free agent this year. So is John Kaminsky, who is their strong side defensive end this year. They're going to have to kind of fill out some of these spots in free agency, fill in these thoughts with young players and figure out what they want to prioritize. I'm going corner where Jeffrey Akuta, who had a great start to this season, was getting benched by the end of this season. really don't understand what happened there. He started to be super guessing,

he started to be super picky, and he was all over the place. They have a young guy and Jerry Jacobs who they like, but he's a smaller player. He's not necessarily the size that you want. Amani Arro Warre, who's too grabby. They need more help at cornerback,

where they have to be able to play man coverage in Aaron Glenn's defense. I love Keeley Ringo. He's the corner out of Georgia. I do not know why, having watched him, having watched Christian Gonzalez out of Oregon, having watched Joey Porter Jr.

out of Penn State, why Ringo is not the clear corner one. There's a lot of, there's debate across like draft sites you read in scouting right now. For my money, Keely Ringo is 6 foot 2, 215 and ran a 10-4-100 meter dash in high school. I have no further questions. And pick six Bryce Young to win the national championship for Georgia last year.

And plays at Georgia very clearly understands the whole defense. He has a ton of trust from Kirby Smart. Plays in press, plays in off, plays in zone. Now, he's 6-2-10. So he doesn't have the cleanest transitions. He's not the smoothest guy, right? and when he's got to like, you know, playing off cover and mirror, he's going to lose.

When they have to play, but they played him in the slot, like when he was young, that didn't go super well. But when you can put him on the line of scrimmage and just let him play man cover, let him bail to cover three, he's all that a bag of chips.

Like, he's over-aggressive at times, but I'm trying to remember the last corner, his size that came out of college that wasn't over-aggressive in press coverage. We do this every year. Oh, Jay C. Horn's kind of grabby. Well, yeah, wouldn't you be if you were just better than all the other players?

If you were just bigger and stronger than the opposing receiver? Like, that's what college corners do. So Ringo at his size, then have his recovery speed to be able to open up and really fly. He gets 22, Bruce Feldman for the freaks list, 22 mile per hour clocked regularly in games. High 22 miles per hour. That's like a lead speed for the NFL level, exactly. So Keeley Ringo, I find to be an extremely impressive cornerback prospect.

And for a team that wants to get their corners up on line of scrimmage and playing man coverage, for a team that's still at a transition in that position, benching Jeff Akuta. I like Kili Ringo at six to the lines. You know Ben likes a player when he starts throwing in those old lingoes. There's all that in a bag of chips. I'm completely sold. I'm Keeley Ringo now. I'd run through a wall for him.

If I could help myself, I would. But I'd get excited. I can't stop. I really like him too. I was actually putting together his report today. So that works out. You mentioned the press. I actually think he's got a lot of instincts playing off.

Like they'll do like a half turn where he goes back down in zone looks and he keeps his eyes back to the quarterback. This is something that you used to see a lot with like Richard Sherman, where he's playing off, but he's studying the quarterback. He has a really good concept of routes and where they're developing and how he has to split the difference between the two of them. And so there's plenty of plays on his tape where he's sort of just backpedaling down the field or like in a half turn strafe down the field. And he'll jump a route because he knows that's where the quarterback is going to go.

And then he can get in front of the route, break it up or intercept it. And so I really like how he plays off too. Like I think he's got a really great skill set. I totally agree that he's. He's just like he has an elite ceiling. Not to mention, like you said, elite athlete, great size. Former five star, I believe he was like the top corner in the country when he came out. Next one here, the Raiders are picking seventh.

Obviously, they're going to be moving on from Derek Carr who kind of got like exiled. What do we do with the Raiders? Levis? This could be it. The only thing that, High Fitz, you have to answer this, I guess. Did they go and get like Aaron Rogers or whatever? Like, that's the question that I really have here going into the draft. Let's live in a world where the Raiders signed a veteran quarterback.

They signed Tom Brom. Brady or yeah. They have signed someone in free agency. So, I mean, that would be Aaron Rogers or Brady, right? I mean, who else? They've traded for Rogers. Yeah, Brady. So, like, they've acquired one of them.

Why are we just assuming that? Because I kind of think they will. I mean, we don't have to. Fine. They don't have a quarterback. Let's vote on it. What do we want them to do? I say they've signed a veteran quarterback, but it's the worst veteran you can think of.

Where's, I like that. Carson Wentz. They have, yes. Actually, that's great. The Raiders of Carson Wentz. Yeah. So, yeah, that changed the case.

I'm going to go with Will Levis, I think. Because I could see McDaniels wanting to do this, basically get in a guy that he can develop and that is going to, you know, do the things that he's asking for. Also, you know, you go back and he probably wants to atone

for the fact he picked Tebow in the first round for the Broncos all those years back. I got bad news if you're taking Levis, brother. Well, you know, coaches coaches have egos. Coaches have egos here. And so maybe this happens.

I don't know. But I'm going to go with Will Levis just because the uncertainty at quarterback and assuming that they don't sign Tom Brady or, you know, like Aaron Rogers or somebody like that. I am already like sick to my stomach thinking about the coffee and the mayonnaise

and all the weird stuff they're going to have Will Levis doing for like TikTok on the Vegas eating bananas with the peel on. Isn't that something? Like Derek Carr was not an appropriate face of Las Vegas. Will Levis might be. Now, I very much agree with that. There's the strip, and then there's like suburban Vegas, which is like a very normal suburbia and it's nothing to do.

Derrick Carr was the very normal suburbia. Will Levis will fit in perfectly in like the Vegas strip part of Vegas. I like you saying that he wants to atone for making the Tim Tebow pick, a guy who was all over the place technically, but had like all the grit and the hard work and stuff. And Will Evans essentially. Tibo couldn't throw a football. Like, it's different. I mean, Tebow literally, he had to like learn how to throw a football. I would like to point out that Tim Tebow's offense was for the Broncos was better than the

Russell Wilson offense to the Broncos this year. I would like to point that out. Like they just beat them in all that cars. Incredible. So we're giving Will Levas to the Raiders. That's wild. Okay. Next up, we have the Falcons bless their hearts.

Miss out on the top three quarterbacks. Marcus Moreato is obviously awful this year. And then he kind of ghosted them midseason. I do want to live in the world where they're. Falcons have signed a veteran quarterback of some kind Derek Carr, Ryan, Dan Hill, whatever. What about Ritter? Yeah, you don't think they're going to commit to Ritter? Maybe, we'll see. Yeah, the Apple of Ben Solax,

I, Desmond Ritter, the third round out of Cincinnati. So whatever, they can stick with Ritter, they can sign a vet. I ain't taking a quarterback, baby. We're good. We're moving forward. You have the power. Yes. Soak, who are you giving the Falcons here? Who would like to guess how many sacks the Falcons had as a team in 2022? I know this because I looked it up and it's really sad.

Six is close. It's also very wrong. Not close. 12. But functionally, right, they had 21. The Bears had the fewest sacks of any team with 20. Next closest to the Falcons was the Raiders at 27. As a reminder, the Eagles led the league with 70.

So if the Falcons just played two more whole seasons, they'd almost catch the Eagles for total team sacks in this season. Can I add to that? Yeah, go ahead. The Falcons, if you just look at the last four years, they're the only team that doesn't even have 100 sacks in less four years. The Falcons have 96 sacks. The Falcons are 19 sacks behind 31st place.

So they would need like a whole nether season just to not be in last over the last four years. Yeah. The Falcons percent of opposing quarterback dropbacks on which he was hurried, 3.8 percent, percent of opposing quarterback dropbacks on which he was pressured 14.6 percent. Both of those are last in the league. So if you're wondering what the Falcons are going to draft this year, They're going to draft another gigantic pass-and-catch target and then never throw it to him. No, we're drafted for the pass rush.

Long-time defense coordinator Dean Pease is retiring this year. He was 78. He was hit with the guy, the Saints guy was running during, but more or most of a four a game and nailed him. I think Peas is like, right, this is enough. I'm done. They already pulled him out of retirement once. He's finished.

So we don't know precisely what the defense is going to look like, and we don't really know what they're going to prioritize, what the prototypes are going to be. With that said, I was hoping I would get, Clemson Edge Miles Murphy here, and I'm glad that I do. Miles Murphy's a scheme versatile guy. When you're 6'5, 270 pounds, and you can move the way he does, explosive guy, he's got bend, he's got change of direction, he can come up field, he can line up outside of you,

inside of you. That I love for a front that doesn't really have any players to really hang their hat on besides Grady Jarrett, right? They had, I thought, good play from Lorenzo Carter this year. He's a rising free agent. Don't even know if they're going to keep him. So there's so much room to move Murphy around, right, to kind of Michael Bennett him and see where he's going to make the most sense, where he's going to be able to

able to disrupt and experiment with the player. Now, I made the sack jokes. The knock on Miles Murphy during his time with Clemson is that he's been a very disruptive player. He has not been a high sack player. Over the course of three seasons, all of which Murphy played, he had 18 and a half sacks over the course of I want to say like, yeah, like 35 odd games. So not a high sack player.

High pressure player, high disruption player with the biggest knock right now on the scouting report, he doesn't really finish his rushes too well. So the last time Clemson did this, we took a pass rush out of Clemson. We got Vic Beasley and did not land. He had one crazy year of sacks than nothing else. But regardless, we're back to the well with the Clemson defense events. Murphy's a totally different prototype.

And I think that he's going to fit on your defensive line in a lot of different ways. He's going to hang around in your team. If he's not the dude you thought he was, you can kick him inside. It's a very high floor pick. But a one-year solution to your sack problems, he ain't. Yeah. That's, so this is why, exactly why I was a little reticent to take Murphy with the fifth pick for the Seahawks. It's just because you see him rushing and there's so many scintillating like traits with him.

He has an elite, elite get off. Like he's explosive. He's springy out of his stance, you know. But there's too many pass rushes, pastrous reps where he's like, he'll get out of his stance really quickly and then immediately get hung up on a block. You know what I mean? And so, I don't know. It was just tough for me to put him that high. So I agree with this, but I do think he has the traits and the athleticism.

He's another like freakslist type guy, you know, absolutely just off the chart, athleticism. That teams are going to see that and say we can develop this guy into a good pass rusher. So the Falcons took Kyle Pitts fourth and they took Drake London in the top 10, didn't throw him, and now they're going to get a pass rusher who doesn't really sack the ball. So it's just a lot of guys on the field not doing much. They look good though. dude can you imagine how good they look and just cordial patterson's running mock just that's that's the whole game

this is one like like multi-year money ball bit when he's like he's got a great ass he's gonna be great hitter it's like okay he's great hiter why can he hit the ball just like over and over again murphy is definitely a little bit of a theory player right now but i like him ninth the carolina panthers seven and ten uh if there's a team that we're talking about a trade up in if we were doing trades here it's the panthers because they're we're seeing them on the outset looking at these top three quarterbacks. If someone's going to try to make a deal with the bears, like might be the Panthers.

They're certainly in the running. But in this situation, all the top three quarterbacks are gone. So, D.K., who would you give the Panthers here? I mean, what do we do with this team? They don't have a coach yet, right? Last I scrolled Twitter. It's like, I'm looking at,

they don't have a coach. We don't know what, like, their defense is going to look like. They have a really good defensive line. They actually got a ton of talent on the defense. So maybe they go offense just to kind of, like, balance things out. I was looking at the offensive lineman.

Peter Skoronsky might make some sense for them. Maybe a little bit high for a guard. You think Skronsky is a guard? Well, no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying some teams will view him as a guard because the big question with him is he has like 32-inch arms, which is well below the standards that a lot of teams have. And this is, you know, that's the big question mark.

Also, they have a couple tackles already. So who knows, like, what they're going to work. How they would build their offensive line, but it'd be like, this guy's so good. doesn't really matter where he goes. This is like a Zach Martin-type blocker where he's just going to get the job done despite the fact that he's not the longest player in the world.

So I'm going to go Skoronsky here. Zach Martin, Zach Martin. I mean, he's, Zach Martin's going to be like a first ballot hall of famer. We're not comparing Peter Scoronsky to Zach Martin, are we? I'm going to say he's the first ballot hall of famer, 100%. Yes, that's what I'm doing. I'm just saying, that's like a crazy,

I feel like Quentin Nelson. This is like, I'm snapping at U-Hyfits, but like this is exactly what I run into, like 100% of the time I make any comps to any players. It's like stylistically. I'm talking about it. He's a guy that has, he doesn't maybe have the elite length, but he gets the job done just because he's so good, so balanced. So, like, he has great movement skills, you know, anticipation, all that stuff. So, no, I'm not saying he's going to be first ballot hall of famer. I'm saying, like, stylistically, might be right in between guard and tackle, who knows. But, like, that's kind of what I'm saying. With all due respect, we're recording. You said he's a first ballot hall of fame. I have proof. Okay, well, when he becomes the first ballot hall of famer, I'm taking credit. Well, this guy is, like, statistically, you know, an offensive line speak is, is like, one of the best pass blocking offensive linemen in a long time, right?

Like, isn't it some crazy he had like 400 pass plays and he had five pressures or something like that? Yeah, I don't have the stat in front of me, but yes. So this is where you want to do your rant that there are no good offensive line stats? There are no good offensive line stats. They're all lying. Watch the film.

Compete! Put on the tape! Watch the games. Now, offensive line's a tough one to categorize. I was surprised when Danny said guard and like the arm length thing is the the crux of the issue there. But a lot of the times that we have these players come out to have like questionably sufficient arm length

like where Sean Slater, the previous Northwestern tackle being one of them just put on the film. Skoronsky's so good. He's very, very impressive. Technically, he's very impressive in terms of recognition and spacing, athleticism and different varieties of rushers. Like you see a lot of different guys when you're in the Big Ten, these big guys, smaller guys, and he's handling all of them.

He's fascinating in terms of where he's going to land because you watch him, not the biggest dude, really like technically proficient, smart guy, great in pass protection. And then you watch these two guys of the Ohio State Parish Johnson and Broderick Jones at Georgia,

big fellas, moving people. And it's very different in terms of the prototype. And I'll be curious to see where the league lands on Skoronsky versus like what team's going to value him as a tackle relative to some of those bigger guys

with better natural length, natural mobility, or the idea of moving Skronski into guard, leaving those guys a tackle and having potentially a really good guard prospect. In the case of the Panthers, who had, I thought, great offensive line play across the board, I would imagine they would consider a kick inside, like they have with Brady Christensen, but, you know, it's going to be to each team their own.

Yeah. This is, to me, I'm just like a, it's a placeholder pick almost just because we do not know the, we don't know the coach, we don't know the schemes, we don't really know what they're going to be looking for. So I just put best player available, sort of. But I do acknowledge, yes, they already had good offense line, and they do have two quality tackles already. So this might not be the most logical, but we just don't know enough right now. So the point being the Panthers themselves have no idea.

That's good to know. Also, also the Falcons pick eighth, the Panthers pick ninth, and the Saints would have picked 10th. So the entire NFC South almost, except the Bucks picking 8, 9, 10, except the Saints have sent their pick to the Philadelphia Eagles who are picking 10th. So like you're an Eagles fan. Honestly, this is like, I don't know, trying to buy your like really rich friend of Christmas gift.

It's like, I don't know what to get somebody's everything. I don't know what the Eagles take here. What do you get Bill Gates for Christmas, you know? Get him darn out Washington. Get him a six foot seven tie down. That's who I, that's like, if I'm, if I'm, If I'm spoiling myself, that's who I'm getting. Just for my viewing pleasure.

The question for the Eagles and who they select, they're almost certainly looking to trade down in this spot, but the question for who they select is a question of who they lose, right? The Eagles, as most teams who are planning on making a Super Bowl run suffer, they suffer the potential of a lot of free agents leaving. James Bradbury, free agent at the end of this year. Darius Slay, also a free agent at the end of this year, both outside corners.

Fletcher Cox and Javon Hargrave. No, they are free agents because they have void years. end. But yeah, they're both potentially leaving at the end of this season. Jason Kelsey, their center, Star Center, Hall of Fame Center, potentially retiring at the end of this season. They kind of have a Kelsey backup plan. Cam Juergens, the second round pick out of Nebraska last year. And they kind of have backup plans for Hargrave and for Roger Cox. They obviously took a first round defensive tackle last year in Jordan Davis. They have Milton Williams, who's a third round player, two seasons in, who's had a really nice stretch recently. They

kind of have a theory there. Can anybody name the Eagles backup corners? No. Well, Zach McPherson for anybody, feeling good about that old Zach? Like, it's just... Does that move you? This is a joke. You're doing two jargons that a lie early. Yeah, yeah.

Just make up names. When we look at what might cripple the Eagles in like this upcoming Super Bowl run, injury to outside corner is very high in the list because they have replacements in the nickel. They do not have replacements on the outside. Accordingly, I'm going corner again. I said I really liked Kili Ringo. I think he's the corner one with a bullet.

I'm taking Christian Gonzalez here, the corner out of Oregon, which is a name that I don't think a lot of people know about super much just yet. He was a two-year player at Colorado transferred to Oregon this year. And I don't even think Oregon knew what they had in terms of a player who can just kind of eliminate the man cover side of the field. Gonzalez has got true height weight speed, 6-2-200. He can open up. He's unlike Ringo, who's got like a thick build, Ringo's a big guy.

I would feel good about Ringo against like your T. Higgins and your D'Andreauphkins and your bullies on the outside. Gonzalez is a little wiry. He's definitely thin. Now, he's long, which is nice, right? He's got long legs, he's got long arms. He actually transitions really well for his length, too. He's able to sink.

They had injuries in the secondary, so they'd walk out one week, and they just have him playing the slot, like out of nowhere. And he's just, like, running around with guys, like passing off routes. He's reading stuff. But he's very comfortable kicking inside and kicking outside. The area that he beats Ringo, in my opinion,

which is important for the Eagles, is eyes in zone coverage, eye discipline. he knows, you know, there'll be reps. There were reps and they had the game against Oregon State. They had the reps in the game they had against UCLA, where, like, early in the down, he just starts peeking over like a different receiver, and then that receiver ends up running around his way,

and he kind of leaks off, and he's just, like, looking to go poach a route. He's looking to go undercut a route. You can tell it he gets it. He gets the full vision of the field. Ringo, I think you get more tunnel vision, which like, okay, press man, whatever. Gonzalez, for a defense like the Eagles, where they play a lot of zone, they play a lot of quarters, they play a lot of off. He makes a lot of sense.

And he still was the size thing to survive on the outside. So in terms of names, we go through the top 10 here. I think a lot of those names are familiar. One name that I wouldn't be surprised he is a top 10 pick that might be familiar to folks right now is Christian Gonzalez, the corner out of Oregon, send him to the Eagles at 10. I like it. Another freaks list guy. Oh, is he?

I didn't know that. Yeah. Let me look it up here real quick. It makes sense because he's a good mover, but I didn't even think about checking him on the list. Usually I remember those guys when I see their names. He is the younger brother of, this is from the freaks list, Bruce Feldman. Read it. It's great.

the younger brother of two former All-American sprinters. He hit 23.3 miles per hour on the GPS. Vert jumps 42 inches and power cleats. So Keeley Ringo is slow. He's got nothing on fishing, Gonzalez. Never mind. Gonzalez Corner 1. My bad.

We did it. Should we do the rest of 32? Real quick. I'm kidding. So we got the top 10 here. We got Bears who taking Will Anderson up top. Texans taking Bryce Young. The Cardinals taking Jalen Carter out of George.

Georgia, the Colts taking C.J. Stratta, Ohio State. Seuk's taking Tyree Wilson, lines taking Keeley, Ringo, who, I mean, basically is like a cop eating donuts. I don't even know. The Raiders are taking Will Levis out of Kentucky. Falcons Miles Murphy. Clemson, Panthers taking Peters Kornsky. Eagles taking Christian Gonzalez. There's our mock draft. Top 10. We're going to be doing more mock draft as the season gets going. It's time for America's favorite segment. Two jargons to the lie. Do one of you two have two jargons of the lie? If not, we can just get to some ones that we've been emailed in.

Get to the other industries. Yeah. I like that in terms. I'm guessing. I have saved this one's from Mark. Mark. Mark. Mark.

I have saved this email for months because I think it is so funny. Mark emailed in two banned substances and a lie. So like, you know, the NFL, like the performance enhancing drugs, they have all the list of band substances. That's good. Mark has the two banned substances and a lie. Good luck pronouncing these. Okay.

So two of these are real banned substances by the NFL and the other one is made up. Is the other one a made-up substance, or is the other one a substance that is a real substance, but it is not banned? You're right. I don't know. That's up to Mark. I don't know. Okay. All right.

So here are the three. Blandiol. And then we've got phytonation, phytonadion, phytonadion, and then oral balin. You mispronounce those so badly. Hyphids his pronunciations makes this an all from your face. You say, what do you try? I don't know to say these things. You try.

All right, I'll try. I'm going to try to pronounce them. I think you nailed the first one. I think it's Blandial. I think the second one is Phytona Dion. Ooh. And I think the last one is

Arabolin. I have to say, I think this is the best one we've ever got in terms of like figuring out the answer. I think this is the hardest one. I may as well just close my eyes and fire a dart. I'm just going to say Arablin. That's what I was, that was where my gut took me too high fits. I've never been more stumped or had less to go off of.

It's the one that's got the least science things in it. Blandiol has an Eol. Fidon, Ferdinandion has a Fido in it. I will also say Orobelin, which puts my undefeated street. Aramolin. That sounds like the name of a city and Lord of the Rings. Are we all locked into Aramolitan? Wait, wait, wait.

You're all taking Arabalin? This is like the Sunday night football. How can we agree on this? Everyone takes the Packers and then the line is... Either I keep my undefeated streak or I get to say I'm right on every single one except for the one we all got wrong. So I'm fine with this. I won't take a rabblein.

I'm going to take... Okay. I'm going to take the long one. Phitona Dion. Yeah. All right. They made that up. Craig is right.

Damn it. Phitona Dion. That's just vitamin K. So that is a real thing, though. Real thing. But it's legal. Legal substance. Okay.

Is vitamin K potassium or is that not how that works? I think, I don't know. Oh, boy. Let's Google it. Let's Google it real quick. You guys want to do one more? He sent three of these. They're so funny.

Let's do one more too. Are they all banned substances? Hold on. I'm going to read what they are real quick. Arablin is also called ethylustrinal. Oh, yeah, of course. It's an anabolic steroid. So that makes sense.

That'll do it. Yeah, it is just vitamin K. phytoplankton. It plays a key role in helping the blood clot. Foods containing vitamin K, green leafy vegetables. It's a muscle lubricant. Willful and knows a lot about vitamin K. And then I'm going to look at belandial.

The human body requires vitamin K for post-synthesis modification of certain proteins that are required for blood coagulation. Belandial is an animalic steroid also. Nice. I feel like a lot of the banned substances are going to be anabolic steroids. That's my guess. That makes a lot of sense. That's a theme.

All right, let's do number two. This is one of my favorite ones. Also, if you wanted two jargons and lie from any, this is really creative, but anything from your industry, your work, whatever, email us at ringer fantasy football at gbilt. com. You can also ask us questions about the NFL draft, but also two jargon's at a lie. Next one. This is so funny.

Ethelina Diamine. Oh, this is the same category? Okay. Yes. We're continuing on two band substances and a life. Great pronunciation. Nice job on that one. Torat.

Oh, you jenks me. Tour Miffini. Oh, my. God. Someone else want to try this? I think it's pteramphine.

Yeah, pteramphine. Yeah. And then, and then... Phencaimine. Phensamine? Phensamine.

It's a C. Heart C? Ethelina diamine. Teremephine. Okay. Now that I know that all of them are real substances

and only one is not banned, I will no longer use science terms to dictate my, my logic here. They are all science. Good call. They're not Lord of the Rings

cities. So what, what reads the most legal? What seems the most nice? I think it's A. I think it's ethylene adiamine. All these things turn me in anemone. It's like a na-da-da-da-da-teramimaphim.

I think that it's B. Torephine. Yeah, I think it's Teremaphene. Sorry. Because the other two end in the same suffix, which means that they're both anabolic steroids. Totally. Oh, yeah, that's a good one.

You're right. That's a good point, then. Yeah, I'm going B. Wait, is that saying officially yes? Wait, are we all going B? Oh, I thought with A. Did you say, did you say you're right? Yeah, I thought you meant we're right as in if we're correct.

Okay, no, no, I meant like, that's a good point. I will join you in B. The guy that's giving us the quiz just said, you're right. And he didn't, he didn't tell us the answer. So, okay, continue. Well, I don't know the answer. Huge fake out. High Fitz.

I'm going, I'm like, I'm joining you and B. Anyway, we're going B. We're going B. Craig, are you going B? No, I'm going with A. Craig says it from sure. God damn, the same thing happened. Craig's right. It's A.

Same thing. I am hot today, baby. Srago analysis. Pumping with vitamin K. Now we know like Craig is so tall. I just had a whole mess of vitamin K before I showed up to this pod. Ethelina Damine is a gasoline additive.

Not banned, but would probably kill you. Okay. Gassed up. Craig's gassed up right now. He's gassed up. I'm all gassed up a mountain dude. Teremophene, which is sold under the brand name

Faristhen, among others, is a medication which is used in the treatment of advanced breast cancer in post-metapausal women. And that's on the banned list? Well, I don't know. I'm not saying that's what this is, but some of these ban things are also like masking agents. So it's like if you do a steroid, but you take a different drug, it will cover up the steroids. So those, the cover-up drugs are also.

I don't know if that's what this is, but that's what a lot of those usually are. Interesting. Fencomin is a psychostimulant, oh, of the amphetamine class. Whoa. Unban it. All right. Ooh. Okay.

Wow. Well, that was absolutely, as D.K would say, scintillating. It was a scintillating conversation. Emails to ring your fantasy football at jeepidot.com. If you have questions about the draft, question with the quarterbacks, question about anything. And of course, more two jargons and a lie from your own work or whatever. That was incredible. Also, if you want to send us some Blandiol or Abilin, you know, email us with coordinate. Cool.

Should I do? Should I bring my own two jargons one lie? Just audio terms next time? Yeah. And the four of us can do audio jargon. Or like Hollywood terms, Craig. Oh, yeah, I could do that too. What's funny is I'd probably have to look up the audio jargon myself. I don't know.

That's fine. Maybe Hollywood makes more sense. It's pretty good. All right. Thank you, DK. Thank you, Kai, for production help. Sorry about the, um, my God. Horns up.

Horns up. Forever. Woof. That's Texas. Thank you, Lauren. Yeah, I was going to say that. It's easy. Wait, who did you hook him?

Horned frogs up? Yeah. You said horns up. And then did Texas hook? This is horns down I don't think there is a horns up And that's no what the frogs Is this not

Kai? They're horned How do you signify horns up At TCU? So what you did was just disgusting It's like this all the time No

So TCU's like this Oh right So for those of you Are you not on video Kai is currently doing bunny ears But he's bending his two fingers down It's honestly It's a neutered version

of horns up. Take a piece of sign and then just take your fingers down and that's literally it. So your sign is an air quote? That's like what the horn frog is.

Just air quotes? It's a funny shadow puppet. So you're literally just ironic Texas? Yeah, I guess, but Texas sucks. So no. Texas versus TCU

and they're just shoving horns up at each other. I love that. Yeah. You should have a, you should have a like a horns bowl where it's a battle

for this exact hand log motion. That'd be sweet. What if all the people actually wear horns on their helmets? You're thinking of the Vikings. You know the viral video? The guys are the middle fingers at each other? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But it's just the horns up and just the horns and they are quote horns. Is that, was that a real thing? Were those people really doing that? Or was that fake? I think that was staged. That was fake. Kai, have you seen a horned frog? Did anybody have one in their dorm apartment?

No one had them in their dorm, but I've definitely seen one. I feel like at a zoo or something. I don't know. or maybe just online. I can see a fraternity, like being like, you know, it's like,

S-A-E is like, we got a horned frog and a cage in the back. Cage. The pledges have to sleep with it for a week. Honestly, that probably goes down there, I'm sure.

I wouldn't put a pass. I also, while we're on this topic, I feel like I've asked this like a lot, and it's been answered and I still actually don't understand. How did horns down get banned? Like,

how the hell did people turn a celebration upside down and they're like, that's a fair? How did that happen? Because the Big Ten was couting to Texas and then Texas left them for the SEC. I have to say, I think that that is actually

the most snowflake thing I've ever heard in my entire life. It's very soft. I love a good horse down. They literally were like horns down. It's like your thing but upside down and they're like, how dare you? It's just like doing the L on the forehead and they're like, you can't do that anymore. Didn't Texas A&M sue the Seahawks

for the 12th man thing too? A bunch of whiter's in Texas. This is crazy. What do you mean? It's banned though. Like if I go to a game and do this, are they going to remove me? So if a player does it,

they get hit with unsports and my conduct. That is insane. You know what? It's like literally, but Texas can do the horns up. But if you do horns down, it's like if, like, Jire Alexander,

it's like if he got like flagged for doing the gritty. Because that's Justin Jefferson's thing. That's good. I like that. We should flag Mike Gassiki for doing the gritty. I think we all agree on that. Yeah.

He looks like me doing it. That is offensive. While we're at it, Mariah Carey should not sue us for using the song fantasy. What? You're just talking about things people shouldn't sue other people for? Yes. I agree with that wholeheartedly. Mariah, I know you're listening.

Minutes 70 of our January draft pod. Fresh off like your fifth straight year of having the number one song in the world. In December. Okay. Yeah. Horns up. Horns off. This is all happened because Craig yelled horns up right before Hyphus is about to sign off.

Well, I did the thank you, Lorne, but like, D.K., never even gave us a band. Oh, my God, that's because I was so distracted. Let's go with Cardi B today. Oh. D.K., name a Cardi B song. Whap, wap, wap, wap, wap? Wap. I need to get all this podcast.

I can't. How do you pronounce that? It's wop. Okay. Well, you know, that is a. Turn about discouragement that I did not want to necessarily say on accident. Especially in front of Craig, who is Italian. That's right. By your tongue.

You know, I don't have a lot. I haven't used that song in conversation a lot of times. I knew of it. How about that? That's good enough for me. I've read it. I've read the name of that song. I haven't listened to the song, but I've read the title.

I don't tell you. It's tough one of Solac is laughing at me for my lack of pop culture knowledge. Yeah, I know. I've no. like to stand on here. This is a new low for me. This is why I don't like this game. Why we've been playing this for like three years straight?

For this exact reason. That's fair. Okay. All right. So lack is very comfortable. All right. I was going to end it, but I think this is hilarious. Do you understand why I didn't want to say it just straight off?

I get it now. Give me a break here. No, this is how we get sued. We're going to definitely get sued now. Come at me, Cardi. Ben Solac is so uncomfortable right now. I'm not uncomfortable. I'm laughing.

I am thinking about my mom listening to this pod, but you'll find it about it. Oh, my God! Oh, boy. Mrs. Solac, we're sorry. Sorry for all the swearing, genuinely, just for her. Not for anyone else. Everyone else kidding. On behalf of Cardi B, we're sorry.

Goodbye, everyone. But especially, this is Solexamom. Oh, no. End of the fun. End of five, please. Goodbye. It's over.