The Ringer NFL Show - 2023’s Most Interesting Fantasy Quarterbacks

Episode Date: May 23, 2023

Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck highlight a handful of the most interesting fantasy quarterbacks going into the 2023 season with help from The Ringer’s 2023 Fantasy Football Rankings (2:19). Finally, the guys close with emails (48:47). Josh Allen, Buffalo Bills (7:50) Lamar Jackson, Baltimore Ravens (15:25) Justin Herbert, Los Angeles Chargers (21:05) Trevor Lawrence, Jacksonville Jaguars (28:17) Daniel Jones, New York Giants (36:03) Anthony Richardson, Indianapolis Colts (41:55) Check out our 2023 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horlebeck. Yeah. And we're coming to you once a week this summer talking football, fantasy, fantasy football, the weird crap you guys emails about emails at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. But first, an admission. We are previously recording this episode. This is May 16th, Tuesday recording this because as you're listening to us right now, we are in Sweden together.

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Well, Mike. Well, no, this is the banked episode. We should have done it on the previous one. Well, no, I mean, we're going to be there for like four or five days. Oh, yeah, that's true. That's true. Right. We're still there.

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I say tour. Tour. Yeah, we should start the show. We're doing quarterbacks today. We're not going to do every quarterback, but we're definitely going to do all like the ones quarterbacks we disagree on. And then the most, the quarterbacks that gave, at least for me, the ones I have are the ones that gave me the most personal angst and confusion on.

I don't know how to do with these people. But first, I want to do a general overview on just a quarterback because for a decade, it's been like wait on quarterbacks. Don't take quarterbacks. The entire time we've had this podcast, we've been like, don't take a quarterback high, like wait on it, get them later. And now we have three quarterbacks. our top 30. So, DK, why should people trust us? Why aren't we talking to both sides of her mouth?

We've said that taking quarterback earliest for nobs. And now we're like, yeah, just take whoever in the top 30. Like, what, why? Well, we're allowed to change our minds. First of all, we don't have to stick to that forever. The fantasy has changed. I think basically in the old days, the, you could get essentially the same production from the QB12, QB13, whatever. Like later drafted guys would give you approximately the same type of production as the top guys. And there was a massive amount of opportunity cost and taking a quarterback early. Now, there's quarterbacks that run and pass

score a whole bunch of points on the ground. And those guys are massive, massive advantages in fantasy. Jalen Hurst, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, the Lamar Jackson's of the world. Those guys are scoring, you know, 30 points and winning you a week. Whereas you got the guys in the lower end, Matt Stafford, for instance, last year was averaging like eight points

per game. And he was like my go-to. late round quarterback for a couple of years. So I think the game has changed. Fantasy has changed. Football has changed. And so that's why now we take quarterbacks a little bit higher. Yeah, I mean, the difference between the first guy and the 10th best guy is just,

it's just wider than it used to be. I mean, these dudes, Josh Allen's your Jalen hurts. These guys are running for five to 700 yards a year and throwing for 35 touchdowns. I mean, they're like two players and one now. Yeah, two players and one. That's the best way to put it because that's what we always say about Travis Kelsey, where it's like he's just two players because he's literally like double the more actually double the points

of like the 10th best tight end and quarterbacks are like that too where it's like okay what if you just took like Jared Goff and then like added like not quite Josh Jacobs and then took them together you can play them both it is it's like an extra you get an extra position every week I think that the other Craig said it

just a few seconds ago of like it used to be hard to predict which quarterbacks would play well like it actually used to be hard to lock down the top five and now it's actually really easy because of the rushing yards So rushing yards worth almost three times the passing yard. And we know who the guys are who rush. So the mystery's out of it.

You know, it's Patrick Mahomes and the guys who run are like the elite guys and the guys who can approach Mahomes' numbers in the pocket. And like that's kind of it. So we really have like I feel like we're in a fantasy or a quarterback of like the haves and have-nots. And I feel like last season changed it more than ever. It's like if you didn't have Hertz or Mahomes, you know, Justin Fields down the stretch, like you felt it more last year than in almost any season. So we've, yeah, as D.K said, we changed with the time. So we're going to go through.

It's weird. Like, I'm looking at our rankings right now. We've got Jalen Hertz, so number one guy. This is 25 next to his name. It looks weird. But you know what? As D.K. said, you're not going to have Matt Stafford this year. He's a huge advantage.

I mean, he's scoring just so many points a week. He actually is winning people weeks. So last year, we've talked about this on a recent pod. If you had Jailen Hertz, it was like you're almost guaranteed to finish in the top half year league, if not first. So, you know, it's a huge, huge advantage to have a guy like that who, you know, he scored 15 touchdowns on the ground or something like that. Like, that's unheard of. I don't think you can overstate how good Hertz was.

And I think I want him more than I've ever wanted the number one overall quarterback in fantasy football. He is, and he's only going to get better. He was awesome in the Super Bowl. He was awesome all year. He keeps getting better every year. The team is as good as it's ever been. The offensive line is good. They have great weapons.

Like, I want, I'll pay any price for Jalen Hertz. And they had the easiest schedule in football last year, but in a weird way that can hurt and it also can help because he just the Eagles in the second quarter were like the best team in years. But if you watch the Eagles, like they were just shutting it down in fourth quarter. Like they weren't doing much. Jaylorert scored all those points. It felt like in the first three quarters. So the idea that actually getting in shootouts, I think that can help AJ Brown a bunch of people.

But they didn't outlaw the tush push. Yeah, that's another thing. The quarterback cheat, the QB cheek. It's like they steal an extra down because they can think about how many drives they extend because of that play because they're so good at unstoppable. I have a good stat for you for the. getting two players and one thing that we were just talking about with Jalen Hertz. Last year, sorry, and Craig,

this is going to hurt you probably a little bit. Last year, Jalen Hertz had 760 yards and 13 rushing touchdowns. He scored 154 points on the ground alone. You're going to say that that's more than Kitty Pickett. Kenny Pickett had 149 fantasy points total. He scored more points as a runner than Kenny Pickett scored total.

So that gives you an idea. That's why I think a good representation. Of course, not like Pickett was up. high score or anything, but like that gives you an idea why late round quarterback is less reliable these days than it used to be. So we've got a clear top tier. Our top three, we've got, it's Jalen Hertz, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen. To be totally honest, you can draft those guys in whatever order and I don't care.

Like, it's, I'm not going to have a strong opinion on which order, but I think those are clearly the top three guys. And there's reason, right? Jalen Hertz, and it's not just last year, he actually has more 30 point performances as a starter than he does under 16, which is pretty insane. Jesus. Patrick Holmes has like never been not top five by points per game. And then Josh Allen just been a top two quarterback each of the last couple years. So it's kind of hard.

So I was kind of thinking like, all right, what order would I really want these guys in? And I kind of dug in and I think I kind of want to do a little therapy session with you guys. Because we have not talked about this. Like we do our rankings. We have, you know, we put them together. We have a ringer fantasy football rankings at fancyfooltron.com. But we have not talked about this. And I want to, I need a safe space.

Okay. I'm wobbling a little bit on Josh Allen. Oh, how so? Which is weird because he's been literally, as I said, like top two quarterback each last three years. But I'm moving him to the bottom of this tier, actually. I'm taking him home and Jalen hurts over him. Like, I'm not saying he's going to have a terrible year or anything, but like, there's two reasons. I think Josh Allen's going to run less this year.

And I'm like really worried about Josh Allen getting hurt. I'm really worried about it. And I know that's insane. And it's a cop out, right? It's not analysis because like any player can get hurt. However, any player is not having their general manager publicly saying it every chance they get, I'm really worried this player will get hurt. And if this is the president of Brandon Bean, who's the GM of the Bills,

all this guy talks about now is how much he needs Josh Allen to drastically change his playstyle because he's so afraid that Josh Allen will get hurt. It's all he talks about. They're obsessed with finding past catching running backs because they just desperately, desperately want him to stop running, right? Can I counter you, Hyfitz? Can I counter? Please.

He did get hurt last year. kind of badly, and he was the number two player in fantasy. I'm glad you brought that up. Yeah, he hurt his elbow in the... Brandon Bean told the story about that. And Brandon Bean was like... So Josh Allen hurt his elbow against the Jets. He had like the UCL injury.

And I also don't get how science works. It's like pitcher does... I know they have to throw it harder, but regardless. Josh Allen gets the UCL injury. And they didn't know internally whether he'd be able to play. And it was the Friday before the game. And the doctor's clear Josh Allen. But the doctor clearing him is like, all right, Josh,

you have to be very careful. like you really, really don't want to aggravate this. You have to take as few hits as possible. It's very important. And then in like the second quarter, Josh Allen rolls out on a pass instead of throwing it away, not only runs and tries to truck a linebacker with that arm. And after the game, Brandon Bean goes down and is like, dude,

and Josh Allen just has this like shit eating grin on his face. But like, I don't know. And all serious is like Brandon, like the quotes that Brandon Bean has, he sounds like a, like it's cool that Josh Allen runs. He hurdles people. It's awesome. It's like fun to watch. It's great for fantasy.

I think it's also turned Brandon Bean into a nervous Jewish mother where he's just like watching all these games through his hands. He's like, yeah. In January he was like, they asked him about saying Josh should improve on. He's like too many bruises on him. The only reason I'll ever criticize Josh is just take less hits.

And then he said another one. It's like, dude, it's the first quarter in week two. We don't need you trying to run over a linebacker. I have found a combined like five minutes of Brandon Bean talking about this. But then you look at it. It's like they draft a guard in the second round. They bring in Damien Harris at running back.

Latavis Murray at running back. Those are big dudes. And I'm like, Josh Allen has been the goal line running back for the bills the last three years. Like Josh Allen has more goal line attempts

than the running backs. And so I kind of don't think they want to do that anymore because they gave him like three or four hundred million dollars. And I think at least the combo of, I'm not saying he's going to stop running. That's not what I'm saying.

But I kind of think that if, I guess what I'm saying is if there's a tier where we're like, well, Josh Allen, Jalen hurts Mahomes, they're all so good. hard to even tell the difference. And I'm like, well, one of them, their boss's boss is like freaked out that unless he makes a radical change to his style of play, he's going to get hurt.

I'm like, let's not take that guy, right? I think it's, but you're like overthinking it a little bit, I think, because it's marginal. He's going to run probably a little bit less, but he's also in this tier sort of by himself because he does throw a lot of touchdowns, too, through the air. You know what I mean? He has 71 touchdowns, passing touchdowns are our last two seasons. That's second only to Patrick Mahomes. Mahomes doesn't really run that much. Mahomes is superpower and fantasy is just he's so much better than everyone and he throws way more touchdowns and for way more yards and he's in the offense that goes up, you know, uptempo all the time and pass heavy and it's just like the perfect situation for him to be a fantasy god.

Josh Allen is a perfect combination of a guy who's going to run. He's going to score touchdowns. He's going to like be the goal line back some. Maybe he does decrease in that a little bit next year, but he's still passing a ton too. So I don't know. Like to me it feels like you're just overthinking it a little bit. It's literally second in touching touchdowns. That's fair.

Can I clarify real quick, though? I agree. I'm not saying he's going to stop running. He actually, you said the two years. He's been worthy consistent as a passer. I think he's the 37, 36, 35 passing touchdowns. His completion percentage last year was exactly the same to the freaking decimal as the year before.

Like, it's weird. It's like 66. The point I'm making, though, it's not like, oh, well, he'll run slightly less and go out of bounds two yards earlier. What I'm saying is, I actually agree with Brandon Bean. Josh Allen does not know how to protect himself. And I guess it's like, maybe I'm overthinking it because again, everyone could get hurt. But I'm like, no, if you watch Josh Allen, he's totally reckless.

And Josh Allen had this quote where he's like, yeah, no, eventually we'll have to change my style. Like, you know, I think it's like a curse of youth. Like, you know, I use my youth and I know eventually I'll have to. I guess my body will have to tell me. I'm like, yeah, this guy's 26, 27. It's like he's going to have to sustain a big. I don't think he's going to actually change. And I'm like, I think when I watch Jaylen Hertz, I don't feel that way at all.

So maybe it's insane. But part of me is like, we always say you have to nitpeck at the top to separate. I'm like, he's kind of crazy. The way he's, like, he's stiff-armed a guy with his elbow that he tours UCL. And I'm like, well, if he gets hurt, I'll feel pretty stupid. He's a maniac. This is like what we were talking about on the Tide Ends episode, where we were talking

about how a player has two primes. They have their physical prime and they're kind of mid-to-late 20s, and then they have their mental prime in their early to mid-30s. And then when they're smarter, a little bit less athletic, but it actually combines to make a better player. Josh Allen is like the quintessential, like, peaking physically, but like, eh, mentally, maybe he's like still a bit, like, reckless. It's, I'm never going to die.

100%. He's like the outfielder sprinting into the home run fence to try and catch a pass, try and catch a fly ball. There's a reason men in their 20s have their car insurance, like 10 times more than like, you know, what they do in their 60s. That'd be funny. We should do like fantasy insurance policy policies on players. I don't know.

I think, I think what you're saying right now is correct and I agree with it. And it is probably the reason. why he is third amongst these top three. But I think your fear is more of a long-term one than next year. I think he's got that dog at him. He's not going to listen to whatever that Brandon Bean is saying. And he's still only 26 years old. And he's still going to be electric.

But like when he's 32, I think you're right. And I'm sure a bad injury, knock on what it doesn't happen. But maybe something will happen. It'll change his perspective and he'll start playing differently. But I think for now he's still going to be the same guy. Yeah. To be clear, like I acknowledge Joshon's incredible. We still have them to top 30 player.

I'm saying, I think I want Mahomes and Hertz over him, and it sounds a little weird. But also, the bill's offense did have struggle last year at points. But Josh Allen's still incredible. I just keep thinking, I never have looked at a guy who hasn't gotten a big injury as like an injury risk, except like, Dan, the fourth time Brandon Bean brought this up. I'm like, they must be, they know a lot more than us. Anyway, that's all. So yeah. So do you guys have Josh Allen?

Third, first, second, what? Third. I think I've got him third two, yeah. Despite all that, I've got them all right next to each other. Brandon Bean's just like a concerned parent. You know, they all say this. All right, yeah. Now, I also just gave a whole spiel last week about how Travis, well, I lied.

It's earlier today. It was like an hour ago because we recorded these together. But Travis Kelsey was like never going to get hurt. So I'm excited for Josh Allen to play every snap of every game. And Kelsey got my bad. All right. Just that's another person that was really hard to rank. We've got Alan Hertz and Mahomes in the top tier.

Our next tier, we got Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Justin Fields. And I think Lamar was so difficult to rank. He's tough. I actually, I'm looking at my ranks. I got him in the same sort of tier as those three guys we talked about before. Even though, honestly, and I was putting together some numbers on him. You have him with Hertz, Mahomes, and Josh Allen? Yeah.

I think it's just I'm bullish on what he can do in this offense. If he can stay healthy, obviously, because he's been hurt the last couple of seasons. He only played 12 games in the last two seasons each. So that's obviously concern. But I don't know. I feel like they are going to pass more in this Todd Munkin offense. I think that's going to help him raise his ceiling a little bit because we know he's going to run. And we know he's going to, you know, do his thing on the ground.

But like 2,200 yards passing last year, 2,800 yards passing the year before, 27, 100 yards passing in 2020. So like going back, he's not a very high volume passer, not a ton of touchdowns. And honestly, like, he's been a tier. below the top quarterbacks in each of the last three seasons in points per game. Last year, he was the QB6 and points per game. 2021, QB9, 2020, QB8. And then going back to 2019, that was his flamethrower season where he won the MVP,

was the QB1 by far and was like a league winner. So it's been a minute since we've seen that peak Lamar Jackson, the guy who can just absolutely win your league. But it does feel to me like we're getting closer to the stars aligning and him having that type of season again this year. because I do think they're going to be more high volume passing. I think they're going to spread things out a little bit more. It's going to be a different look offense.

And they got him more weapons. And so, I don't know, I'm just, what do you think is going to keep him from reaching that this year? Well, the immune system thing where he gets sick as often as your three-year-old child, I hope that that that changes. Right, right. That's tough. The contract's weird, because we're always like happy for guys to be in a contract year. And then they get paid. And Lamar, I feel like got paid, but also was angry enough that he has so much to prove.

I agree with you. I think we will have only in retrospect will we look back and realize how weird the Ravens offense was with, we keep talking about it, but it's like Devin DuVernay. Mark Andrews was like buttoning up this otherwise receiving core that was basically on part of the Houston Texans. And on top of it, they also, as we keep saying, like this fullback, Patrick Ricard, who's really a defensive end that like does, like is not a, they were playing with one fewer pass catcher than every other team. Right. And condensing their, like they were doing everything counter. to the way modern football's played, like literally everything.

They were basically trying to be like Navy, even though they had Lamar Jackson. Right. And so Todd Monkitt is such a cool offensive quarter. Like, he was at Georgia. I mean, they do really cool stuff at Georgia. Like, they were having Brock Bowers, who's this incredible tight end

who's going to be a next year's draft class. They had him taking sweeps, like a receiver. Yeah. Right? And then, so I think that Todd Monk, like, if you just hear him talk about the concept of balance, he's like, he was asked about run-pass balance. He's like, I think of balance much more holistic.

and he sounded kind of like Phil Jackson, like he'd just take a bunch of acid or something. But I think we're going to see stuff from Baltimore that we haven't seen it in a long time. So I agree with you, D.K. I think Lamar is like a weirdly like a, even beyond a post-type sleeper, like a post-type juggernaut. I think there's something about Lamar

never really doing anything in the playoffs and just kind of disappointing at the end of every season that kind of leaves a bad taste in your mouth with Lamar. He's almost like the James Hardin of quarterbacks. Oh my God. Holy shit. Where it's like everybody agrees. He's like one of the best talents in the league. but there's always a problem.

There's always something that happens at the end of the year. There's always an issue. And at the end of the day, no one actually ever puts him in like the true elite category with your Steph, LeBron, Durant. He's always a tier below that

despite the fact that he's putting up the same numbers as all these other players. You know what I mean? I don't know anything about basketball, but that sounds right. Well, the difference is, I agree with everything. The only context you need is that James Harden

has his jersey retired in a strip club. But other than that, this isn't that bad. Yeah, I don't know. Lamar cares about winning, but you're right, though, Craig. It's like Lamar, for better for worse. Like Charles Barkley doesn't even describe how much it would be like never won a title. Like, if Lamar like never actually improved on his playoff record,

it would be the worst playoff record for a great athlete of my lifetime. I mean, wasn't there that thing last year where players were mad that he didn't play at the end of the season? He didn't show up to the playoff. It wasn't even like, he were, look, obviously the contract and I understand like what happened. And like, shout out Stephen Reeves for literally being like he should never play for them again. then like he did and Lamar's like retweeting Stephen. But Lamar was hurt and there was a disagreement first over how hurt Lamar was. And that there was a, I mean, Sammy Watkins came out.

Samuel Watkins was playing for the Ravens team. Samuel Watkins was like, yeah, I don't know why Lamar's not playing. But then Lamar didn't come to the playoff game, which is like, that's kind of weird. It's insane. But that's very James Hardin. He's, uh, James Hardin will also never represent himself. He would definitely have an agent to El's trade demands. but Lamar like it's that's honestly how bad the Lamar trade negotiations got or the contract

negotiations got but I agree Craig like but again it's like I actually think you're getting a discount like so we have Lamar Jackson ranked 44th he's the top of quarterback like I mean he could totally outscore these other guys it's like you know again it's hard to exaggerate how much Greg Roman the offensive coordinator was kind of limiting so we'll see speaking of this next tier So we basically have the big three at the top. Then we have the next three, which is Burrow, Lamar, and Fields. And then we have two guys after that

in a third tier of their own. And it's Herbert and it's Trevor Lawrence. We'll start with Herbert. And I think the question with these two guys is like, should they be in the tier with Borough Lamar Jackson and Fields or should they be in their own tier? Herbert's a really interesting case. Because I feel like you've got to start with Kellyn Moore,

who's now their OC, came from Dallas. His time there was pretty successful, I would say. the Cowboys were the six first and fourth offense and points in the three seasons when Dak finished the year healthy. They were fifth in EPA per play in his four years there. And, you know, Brandon Thaley brought them in to fix all the problems that the Chargers have kind of suffered the last few seasons.

So like they've been a really frustrating offense. What, Kellen Moore's going to do an exorcism? Is he a priest? Maybe he is, honestly. Who knows? If he made Dalton Shultz a top three tied out, and he could do anything. But yeah, basically, Brandon Staley wants him to come in to marry the pass and the run more effectively

because the Chargers can't run the ball. And then it kind of turned their passing game into the run where Justin Herbert was just like checking down for four-yard outs for like the entire game. We can go back and watch that Jaguars Chargers wildcard game where the Chargers blew a 27-0 lead. The second half was like the most frustrating thing you've ever seen. It was literally checkdown after checkdown after checkdown. So, you know, you bring in Kellan Moore. You also can't overstate that Justin Herbert was like super injured last year. The year before last, Justin Herbert was the number two quarterback in fantasy football.

Straight up number two. He was fantastic. He threw for 5,000 yards and it was like he's a rocket ship taking off. Then he injures his ribs so badly. And what was it? Week four? No, it was week two. It was the first Amazon Prime Thursday football game because we were all watching it.

We were like, oh, like, I actually remember thinking did one of his like internal organs just rupture? For the next like five weeks, Herbert. I mean, was not running the ball, could barely roll out of the pocket and throw across his body. He was wincing. There were times where he would literally like spike the ball into the ground because the guy opened down the field was too far for him to throw it.

And so he wasn't that great. He's the 15th best quarterback this year. But if you say he's a bitch, it's not tough enough. No, Herbert's toughen up, man. He actually is insanely tough. Yeah, I mean, so it's hard.

Part of me is like he should be in this tier with Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson and Justin Fields because the last year he was healthy with a worse offensive coordinator and a worst supporting cast. He was the number two quarterback fantasy football. And now you have Kellyn Moore coming in to drive the Ferrari. That is Herbert. You add Quentin Johnston first round wide receiver at a TCU, shouts out Kai.

And the O line was also really beat up last year. They're going to be healthier. It's definitely one of those things where when you look back on Herbert, you're going to be like, I don't know. Herbert kind of wasn't that good last year. I remember watching him. He didn't run. He typically runs for like 300 yards a season.

Last year he ran for like 120. And but I actually think all of the arguments as to why Herbert was bad are very valid. And I think he should be in the second tier. So this is actually, I think this is essential because we, so we have, again, Jalen Hurtsmaudson at the top tier. And then Lamar, Joe Burrow, we didn't talk about him in Justin Fields. And then it's like there's a drop off of like, Dak Prescott, Daniel Jones, to Sean Watson, Tua. And it's like, all right, what do you do with Justin Herbert and Trevor Lawrence? to Justin Herbert and Trevor Lawrence belong with Borough Lamar Fields.

Like, should Herbert be with Burroughs, Lamar and Fields? And Lawrence is with Dak or like, and we ended up kind of just putting Herbert and Lawrence together because they're both, I mean, 6-6 white dudes with like kind of long hair that like throw a lot and probably, they're actually fast, but don't run as much as they should. And like, we all like them as real-life quarterbacks, probably more than fantasy. But you're right. But both could pretty easily lead the league in passing yards and no one would be surprised. Let me ask you this.

For all the reasons that we just said, talked about Lamar Jackson, and why he should be in the top four. Don't all those reasons kind of apply to Justin Herbert? Yeah. Well, the difference is Lamar has the most rushing yards for quarterback in a single season ever. And that's the basis. That's fair.

But like Herbert has the most passing yards ever for a guy in the first three seasons of his career. And then you factor in that he was also hurt like Lamar. They also have a new offensive coordinator like Lamar. And he has a proven track record of being an elite fantasy player when he was the QB2 in 2021. Like, isn't it the same thing? I kind of had forgotten, honestly,

how well he played two years ago. I'm just looking at the rankings right now. We're establishing the DK does not remember the 2021 season. That has been well established. Long-term memory. You know what I mean? Well, I was just going to say, in terms of passing yards over the last two seasons,

it's Mahomes, Brady, and Herbert. He threw for 5,000 yards and had 38 touchdowns in 2021. His numbers are eerily, eerily similar to Joe Burroughs over the last two seasons combined. Like, they're almost exactly the same, except for Herbert has more yards. Burrow has seven or six more. touchdowns, but they're pretty close otherwise.

So do we need to move Herbert up or bring Burrow down? I think it's, you bring Herbert up personally. Yeah. I think he can stay. I mean, this is so stupid. Like, we're getting into semantics here, but like, I think he should stay the same. He should still be the QB7 in our rankings. He should just be in a different tier.

That's fair. This is why people come to us in May. This is actually very convincing. I'm in. No, but I think you're right. I think that Herbert, I agree with. Craig, it's like Herbert's in year one of the three-year cycle that Lamar has been in, where it's like insane, incredible playoff losses make people very eager to take the shine off of like what was promised when,

honestly, if you watch Herbert, the idea that that loss was his fall, I think is insane. But I am perfectly happy to let people convince themselves or whatever that Herbert is like overrated, if that means I get Justin Herbert. Because if I can wait and like if I don't have, if I don't get hurts, Mahomes, Josh, Borough Lamar Fields. but then like Herbert just lasts too long. There's something about having like an incredible quarterback you get to watch every week and you don't feel like you have to pray for them to be good. And Herbert is kind of the last one left honestly.

Because Trevor Lawrence, DAC, Daniel Jones, Sean, Tua, there's an element to all those guys where there's flaws. Trevor Lawrence is young, but that's kind of it. But the rest of this is, Herbert's the last one where I'm like, I have no questions about the floor. I think the rushing thing was big last year. I mean, again, he runs for like 300 yards and three touchdowns every year. That is how many fantasy points?

30 plus 18. That's 48 fantasy points. He had 14 last year. So that's like a 35 point difference. If you just add 35 points to his total, he's the QB5 last year. Like if he just doesn't have a horrible rib injury, even in the weird offense he was in, he's probably like a top six quarterback. And now you add in Kellynne Moore and a better, better wide receivers in a healthy old line.

Roshan Slater was out all last year. I don't know. It's just like, this guy's probably just top five quarterback and we're getting out of hand. Counterpoint. What if it's his fault he got hurt in the ribs because he's so tall that he has a giant strike zone. Like his ribs are just so big that it'll keep happening. He should just grow his hair out extra long and it's more padding. That's actually what they should do.

You know? I don't know. You guys are on board, Tier 2, Herbert? I am. Come on. Like, he's not a different tier than Joe Burrow. What will be doing? Okay.

So, well, what we're talking about long hair is that? So Trevor Lawrence, does Trevor Lawrence get his own tier like Kyle Pitts? or we stick in Trevor Lawrence like Dak Prescott, Daniel Jones, Deshawn. I kind of, to be honest, I kind of think he should be in this tier two. This is definitely like projecting. A lot of these guys have the track record,

like Herbert and Lamar and stuff like that so you can just place him in. And Lawrence is like, this will be the year he does it and we're like trying to be a year early. But man, God, if you look at the difference between one and year, year one and two with Lawrence,

it's nuts, man. He threw 12 touchdowns and 17 picks year one. Last year he goes 20. touchdowns eight picks. And if you just look at the second half of last year, 14 touchdowns, two interceptions. He was the QB six in points per game. Dude, that's your brain on Urban Meyer

and your brain not on Urban Meyer. Honestly, like, every now and then, you have to just throw a season out. Yeah. And Trevor Lawrence's rookie year should be thrown out. And if you kind of just look at 2020 as like a weird hybrid of a rookie in a sophomore year, dude, I think Trevor Lawrence is the truth.

I think he is going to be every single bit as good as he was promised. I think he's incredible, his development, his aggressiveness. Like I think he also has the disposition to actually be a quarterback, which not everyone has. But like talent-wise decision process, decision-making processing, there's kind of nothing when I watch him. He also can run. Like he also is like fleet of foot. So I agree where it's like, I don't mind him being in that tier. because he probably doesn't belong,

but it's, you kind of know you're hoping for it, but dude, that, I think that Jaguar team is going to be really, really good. I mean,

also factor in that he, we're just adding Calvin Ridley to the team. Yeah, that's big. That could potentially be massive. You know what's crazy about the Jags last year?

Christian Kirk, Zay Jones, and Evan Ingram were the top three pass catchers for him. Mm-hmm. Which, like, now sounds like a decent crew, but going into last year,

I don't think anyone would have made, like said they were a top 20, receiving courts. the league in each one of them. Christian Kirk Zay Jones and Evan Agram all had career seasons. Think about how wild that is. They all had career highs and catches and yards. That's the quarterback and that's coaching.

And now we had Calvin Ridley. I also really like that Herbert, that this is something that Herbert hasn't done. I like that Lawrence has already had like a legitimate playoff experience. He came back down 27-0. He threw four picks in the first half. And they get a fumble too. He get five turnovers in the first half. Oh, yeah.

He comes back. He throws four touchdowns in the second half to win. And then they keep it close. against the Chiefs in the next round. That felt like his debut top ball, his maturing, if you will. I just, I don't know, I feel like he's battle tested.

Like, this is the year now. I just think, I don't know. I agree with what you said, Hype. It's like he's the real deal. And I don't know if people really think about him that way just yet, but I think he is. So where are you suggesting?

We put him in the same tier as Herbert, Lamar. Who else are we having there? Burrow Fields, Lamar. I understand that Lawrence is like, it's probably a harder sell than Herbert, but because he technically hasn't done it yet. But again, he was the QB6, the last half of the season last year. I think that's who he is. I love it. Sometimes it's like you just look at the end of a season and you're like, well, like, that doesn't, like, you know, it's easy to look at the end of like D.J. Moore's year and be like, well, it'll be great.

It's like, yeah, probably not. I think it's different when you have a generational quarterback prospect coming to his own and his first season as a head coach or with a real head coach. And then as you said, Craig, like, I want to pull up. The box score to that Jags Chargers game is actually a Hall of Fame box score for like the before and after. Because Trevor Lawrence had, yeah, he had like four, four picks. And I forget the yardage. And Trevor Lawrence ended up, his final numbers for that game ended up being four touchdowns, 288 yards and four touchdowns on the second half.

And as cliche as it is, like, there is something to that, though? Like there is. Like having that, like there is some kind of intangible confidence that comes to the decision. I know it's like to take one year or whatever and you never pick up where you left off. And sometimes that's a mistake. But I think that there's a couple exceptions to that. And I think one of them is a quarterback of Lawrence's caliber ascending. They were four and eight last year.

He rips off five straight wins to go to the playoffs, beats the Chargers in the second round and then hangs on against the Chiefs. Like those are his last seven games. So would you rather have, let's see here. So we have Trevor Lawrence during 74th. Would you rather have Jalen Hertz at 25, Lamar at 44, Trevor Lawrence at 74? That's a really tough question. Personally, I'd probably rather have Hertz or Lawrence. I wouldn't do Lamar.

I think that feels, though, like a very accurate rendition of like what you're getting. Hurt's you're going to safety early. Lamar, it's like he could be hurts. He could also just get hurt or the offense be terrible. And then Lawrence, you're kind of really banking on upside that. hasn't totally been there for whole season yet. When I think about guys like, like if you had to place Herbert and Lawrence

into the tier above or below them, the tier below them is Dak Prescott and Daniel Jones. So, like they're not in there. I want to get to them and say, Deky, where do you come out on that, Lamar?

I'm still thinking I'm taking Hertz. I'm just looking at like the guys around Hertz in terms of like opportunity costs. And I think that area of our draft, at least where we're ranking is there's some question works around these guys like Kenneth Walker. what's his overall workload going to be, Brees Hall, what's his overall health going to be?

Is he even going to start the season? Chris Olave, you know, there's more of a mouth to feeding that offense this year, D.K. Metcalfe, then you get into like Mark Andrews, Dowen Cook, Joe Mixon. There's question marks with all these guys. I'm kind of just like taking hurts. I'm really glad you brought that up because I do think that that is, we probably left that out in the beginning,

but that is a big part of our logic of like looking this year. We basically have, I would say, the top 25-ish players, depending how you look. I would say there's 20, 25 depending on account guys that I feel are not bulletproof, but they kind of feel like when you... Yeah. Yeah.

And then the quarterbacks are just kind of between those guys and the guys that I have questions about. Yeah, exactly. Like, if I have to ask a real question about you, I'm going to take my homes. Yeah, because like my question here, and the way I sort of just framed it in my head is like, is Kenneth Walker going to win me a league

or is Jalen Hertz going to win me a league? And I'm taking Hertz there, you know? and but like and then you can get your running backs and receivers a little bit later and those guys are still going to have question marks a little bit later. So it is it's always opportunity cost in terms of like what kind of advantage or, you know, edge one of these players is going to give you. But like Jalen Hertz could legit win you a league again. You know, Trevor Lawrence, right between Kyle Pitts and George Pickens, Craig. So, you know, tough for you. Well, we'll get into our receiver tiers.

We'll see where I put pickens. So Hyvitz, where are you out with Lawrence in terms of tears? Harts, but realistically, if you're both taking Harts, then he wouldn't be there. So if I'm going to force myself, wow, you're so right about the bad taste in my mouth about Lamar. It's like, I shouldn't be hesitant, but I am. I think Omar is going to just like go off. Lamar just feels like the pick that you look back at your draft. You're like, oh, so that's where I lost the season.

But you're right, but it's probably going to be great. I'll do Lamar. Do you think Lawrence should be in the tier with Fieldsboro, Jackson, and Herbert? It's a stretch, but I'm fine with that because the next tier, here's why. It's like we're splitting hairs here. But again, I'm okay with that because the next tier, as you said, Dak Prescott,

we got Daniel Jones to Sean Watson, Tua. That's a tough tier. And then there's Kirk Cousins, Gino, Jared Gough. Honestly, you could make them all one big tier. Right. I think that what I want from you guys, I'm not objective about this. We have Daniel Jones as like the 10th quarterback. I think we're higher because of me

on him than other people. I mean, definitely because of me. I'm higher than Dana Jones than you guys. But I guess I want a question and or an intervention. Like, am I loony tunes for saying, with D.K's always like, well,

Dana Jones had 15 touchdown passes last year. I'm like, yeah, exactly. Look at all that room for growth, baby. Is that just me coping with the fact that we paid like 90 million guaranteed to a terrible quarterback? Or is that an actual argument? Because I'm still working about that. Well, you just talked about how, you know, Josh Allen, the franchise quarterback, You got to keep him in bubble wrap now.

You're afraid, right? You don't want him to get hurt. He's your long-term future. Well, they just gave Daniel Jones a whole lot of money. They're going to run him like Josh Allen like they did last year? He probably does have a nurse Jewish mother here in New York. No, I think that... 700 rushing nerds.

The first two months of season, we were all convinced that they were trying to get Daniel Jones hurt because they just kept setting him out on naked bootlegs and shit. We were like, wow, they're trying to just ruin him. But I'm so torn on Jones because I'm totally sympathetic to all the arguments against him where it's like, yeah, 700 yards, seven touchdowns. It's like, all right, well, even if he runs for a little, I mean, obviously, it's career highs.

It's a weird, it's a weird mix, but basically if he runs less, obviously it's going to be hard for him to make up the passing because fantasy rules are dumb and all the rushing's worth three times more. But I think that, here way, I want to pull these numbers. I have them. What's weird with Jones is that, so the Giants didn't pass a lot and they didn't throw it deep at all. Like, they were checked down steady.

They were like throwing a downfield like 30th, the 30th farthest passes down the field, right? And then Daniel Jones had his highest scramble rate of his career, double the scramed rate. He had the lowest passing yards per game of his career. And then it's like, his deep passes were basically like half the league average. Like they weren't throwing it a lot. They were throwing it not deep. And everyone hears that though. And is like, well, that's a Daniel Jones stat. I'm like, that's a giant's offense stat for a team with a pretty bad offensive line that was down their top five, five wide receivers, six weeks. into the season. Five wide receivers down, six weeks into the season. So I'm like, yeah,

he had a practice squad squad. Our punt returner and then a practice squad receiver was playing for the Giants and everyone was begging for David Sills, who was basically a practice squad punt returner. We're like betting for him. Love David Sills. We're begging for David Sills practice squad punt guy to basically come in and start. And I'm like, well, yeah, no shit that they weren't throwing downfield or throwing a lot. They couldn't protect long enough for him to do it. They're moving him out in bootlegs. So I'm torn because when I look at, at this group. I think Dak, Daniel Jones, Deshawn Watson, too.

Realistically, Deshawn Watson probably is the most upside. It's kind of weird to even talk about him, but purely in terms of football, like, obviously he has the most upside because he's been like a top two, top three quarterback before. He also sucked last year after a 700-something day layoff. Other than him, like, but Daniel Jones

is the guy that feels like he has the upside just because we've seen him run. And it's like, well, what if they actually get better? You know what I mean? So that's where I'm torn, where it's like Daniel Jones has the lowest floor, but also the high highest ceiling of this group. There's just so many moving parts when it comes to the Giants. Like number one, like we talked about just now,

will Daniel Jones continue to run at the same rate or a similar rate that he did last year? I don't know. Maybe. Like, it's possible that he will continue to run a lot. Number two, will the offensive line start to gel together and be like a better unit? Like Evan Neal was pretty bad as a rookie.

Will he make that second year jump? Andrew Thomas sort of did that in his second year, right? Or was it his third year? I can't remember. Yeah. Yeah, as a Giants fan who defended Andrew Thomas, even if he was bad. I don't know if Evan Diel's going to do it. Like, Andrew Thomas did.

Yeah. So that's a question mark. They did a hodgepodge of a million slot receivers in free agency and Darren Waller. Like, is Darren Waller going to be the same guy we used to see? If he is, or, you know, like from the 2020 year in 2021, that's a huge, huge deal. If he's, like, sort of injured and not really the same guy anymore, that's a wash or, you know, a negative for their overall. offense. Paris Campbell, a lot of potential, but just can't stay healthy. You know, Wondell Robinson coming off an ACL. Jalen Hyatt, what's he look like in the pros? Because he's probably going to

take a little bit of time to develop. You know, there's just like a million moving parts when it comes to the Giants and it's hard to nail down. Like, is Saquan Barkley going to be playing for them? Or are they going to have, you know, contract talks run into the season. So, you know, there's just like so many things. We were talking about Trevor Lawrence, like sometimes you have to throw a season out. I think what's weird about Daniel Jones is, and maybe this is just revealing about how I think, I kind of just want to throw all the seasons out because they don't really make sense.

Like his rookie year, he replaced Eli and he actually had like a bunch of 30-point games, but like they also were game planning for Eli and Immobile. And then he has two years of Jason Garrett where they literally had the fewest touchdowns in the league by like a lot. And then last year where it's like the entire offense got hurt. So I think I know that they're stealing here in my head, but in my heart, I'm like, he's probably going to suck.

I think there's a, there is a universe in which Daniel Jones has a massive year. But it's like the, you know, the Dr. Strange thing. It's like there's one, there's one outcome where everything clicks. And otherwise it's like,

you know, maybe not. Could we go to the universe? What else is going on in that universe where Daniel Jones is like the MVP and like just throws 56 touchdown passes? Yeah. Cadarious Tony definitely plays all 17 games in that universe. Exactly.

Cadarius Tony leads the chiefs in snaps in routes. Derek Henry finally falls off the cliff. Yeah. Kelsey sucks and gets hurt. Kelsey's terrible. Pits is incredible. Oh, man. Okay, I get it now.

All right. I'm out on, all right, we can move Daniel Jones down. Fine. Ironically, I think I'm actually the highest on him. I should move him down significantly after thinking it over.

All right. Other player that was insanely difficult for us to rank, there's a group of like upside backup quarterback league winners. I don't know what else to call them. That's a pretty not catchy name. But basically guys that you're not going to start. And there's like Anthony Richardson, Jordan Love, you know,

Kyler Murph comes back from injury. And then Dick, I thought Aaron Rogers with the Jets, I'll put him in there too. Russell Wilson if you want. And then I see that, D.K. has Anthony Richardson like 30 spots higher than I do.

And I'm like, what the heck? And D.K., would you like to go ahead and explain your love for Anthony Richardson? My, the elevator pitches, you can suck at passing

and still be an elite fantasy quarterback because you can run. And he is the most athletic, most athletic, Most athletic, physical, tough, like, he's Cam Newton, essentially, but faster. And so, and again, like, there's many universes, the Dr. Strange thing, there's many universes when he maybe doesn't even start the season. He doesn't even get in until week six or seven. And then, you know, it takes him while.

And, like, then he turns out to be just, like, a wasted pick if you grab him, you know, in the middle rounds or whatever. But there's also a universe, I think, where he just scores 15 rushing touchdowns because they use him in goal line situations. And he's, you know, big physical fast. he runs a 4-4 at 245 pounds. And they use him like Cam Newton did his rookie season. And by the way, he is a little bit more developed and refined as a pastor than I think a lot of people think. And so if he starts from week one and does everything on the ground that I think he possibly could do, then, yeah, I mean, he has a chance to be a top 10, top five quarterback in fantasy.

Well, I lost you for saying. You're still talking about Daniel Jones, right? Right. Yes. So I don't know. Like to me, if you look at some of the rushing production that we've seen from guys like Jalen Hertz and Josh Allen, I'm not saying that Anthony Richardson is going to reach the same heights as those guys either on the ground or in the air. But I think it's in the realm of possibility that he scores like 120, 140 points on the ground alone.

And then from what he does from there as a passer is just kind of like a bonus. But I mean, we've seen like, high fits, you just get so mad about it. But it really is a cheat code when you can run as a quarterback. And I think that they're going to do that because I think, Shane Steichen saw it work so well with Jalen Hertz, it changes your offense. Yeah, I just hate the term cheat code because cheat codes are put in to have fun and this is just more of a glitch. But you're right?

I guess my question is you're also betting, you're banking in that Anthony Richardson, unless he is super competent on the ground immediately. And we're assuming also that he's going to be playing by September because the Colts have kind of said that they will. And Shane Steichen is the Eagles offensive coordinator. You know, honestly, it's Super Bowl. If the Eagles win the Super Bowl, if there's no defensive holding and the Eagles go down and score, we're talking about how the Eagles play the future.

ball. Like in that Super Bowl, the way they ran, I mean, basically almost like a high school style offense at an NFL level with NFL athletes. And that's a compliment. And now Shane Steichen was going from that to the cults. However, there's also a world where Anthony Richardson is just lighting your pick on fire. Right. Like, like completely and utterly like you have to cut him like three weeks into the season. The guy you took him to 10th. Yes. I think. But look, last year, this is another example. Last year, a lot of people thought they lit their pick on fire when they picked Justin Fields. In fact, I picked him up on waivers in one league.

And then he went on to like be, I don't even know what it was, like a top five quarterback down the stretch. And he was winning people games just because he was running so much. You rush for over 1,000 yards. Second most rushing yards in NFL history for a quarterback. And he did that even though the first six weeks of the season, yeah, people were cutting him. I think what's tough about that drafting Anthony Richardson is you kind of have to draft, you have to waste two picks to have him, really.

I mean, you have to draft Gino Smith and Anthony Richardson. Yeah, yeah. Right? And even if you draft Gino Smith and Anthony Richardson doesn't work out, then you're just kind of stuck with Gino Smith the whole year and like, are you going to win your fantasy championship with Gino Smith?

Like, it kind of needs to work out and yet you still have to draft an insurance pick in another quarterback. So it's a tough commitment, I got to say. Or just take Lamar and Richardson. So when Lamar misses December, Richardson just fills in and he's great with him. Richardson's 111th on our list. Like, there's, the guys in that range are not dart throws necessarily, but like we got Deontay Foreman, who's part of a three or four man rotation in Chicago. You get Kenneth Gainwell, same deal, three or four man rotation in Philly.

Smasji P. Ryan, maybe he's going to get some volume in Denver. Tyler Algier is the handcuff for Bejan Robinson. These guys are all not dart throws, but they're, you know, there's plenty of ways that these picks can't work out too. Like, you know what I mean? I'm not like too worried about spending that pick there. But you'll need to spend two picks, won't you? He might not start week one. You need to draft like Jared Gough.

Yeah, and I think that's fine. I think that's okay. I mean, I'm comfortable with that because of the upside that he brings. Again, I'm not saying that Anthony Richardson is probably going to... I don't think he's going to have a really good rookie season. I think in fantasy, he could be really valuable because of the way that they use him on the ground. And I do think they're going to use him as a runner because if you look at what the Eagles have done with Jalen Hurts or the last couple years, that obviously Shane Steichen was, you know, an architect,

one of the people that designed that offense. And so the way that you can, number one, steal an extra gap by using him as a read option guy, like guy who can run, it's like you're adding an extra offensive player. And then two, you steal, essentially you steal it down by going for it on fourth down and being so successful. It's like they're changing the math of football. I'm not saying that Anthony Richardson is going to be as good

or as efficient as Jalen Hertz, but I don't know why they wouldn't use him in that same way. It's worth noting that the first quarterback where we started seeing that was Cam Newton, not even because Ron Rivera was aggressive as Panthers coach, but because Cam Newton on fourth and one was so automatic. They were like, why not? And Anthony Richardson is the closest Cam Newton we've had since Cam Newton. All right.

If you could take one of these quarterbacks we've discussed today at the number, we have them ranked, which would you take? Would you rather have Jalen Hertz at 25, D.K., or would rather have Anthony Richardson at 111? because I'll admit it sounds like a lot like five years ago when we were talking about LaBar. Right. The problem is he's a rookie. Yeah.

To me, like answering in May is like, okay, who, like, I reserve the right to change my mind here. But like, I'm going for Anthony Richardson late because I think he has the upside to, you know, go off if he's going to be the starter just because of what he can do on the ground. We might find out in a month or two that he's probably not going to start the season or something and that would obviously change. But if he's like, you know, under the assembly. that he's the week one starter. I take Anthony Rich. No, you can't change your mind. So you're locked into that now.

Congratulations. Take a lot here. You now have Anthony Richardson as your quarterback on all 27 of your leagues. Yeah. All right. Our rankings are at fantasyfutball. Dot the Reiner.com.

Check them out there, quarterbacks. Yeah, we'll move Anthony Richardson up to like the top 30. There you go. Uh, not really. Emails? Emails.

Oh, man. Where to start? Sometimes there's like a slow gradient to how weird we get. And sometimes not. Just like a blunt non-sequitur. Yeah, this is where I was saying goodbye to just Parachian listening with children. Craig asked, I don't remember what episode this was.

Craig asked for people who are having sex in weird circumstances. Oh, we're back. What are people fucking on? What are the kids fucking on? Brandon. Brandon. Brandon. Let's go.

Brandon said both of my kids were conceived while we were sharing space with my parents. Like in the same room? No, I don't think so. He said the first was while my wife and I were living with my folks in my child at home while preparing a move. The second was while my folks were visiting us for Thanksgiving. That's like a kink for him sneaking around. D.K., was Calvin, was Calvin conceived with your parents in the same house? No. He was not. Should people email us at Rear Fantasy Football at gmail.com if they have weird stories about how they conceive their kids?

What's the closest your parents have been in literal distance when you conceived your child? Yeah, in feet. Someone who listens to this podcast, who I will not name unless they want to, I will just say that they have the same birthday as their son, to which I said, so you and your dad are on the same schedule. Yeah, they're synced. Which is not as cool, but it's true. Yeah, they got the same horny calendar.

DK, the one with a kid, is like not into this. What do you talk about? I think it's great. I would like to know how close people are fucking to their parents. I hope someone's like seven feet. And I'm like, I gotta know that story. Well, I got that's that package good taste. Email us at Riafantasyf Football at gmail.com for weird conception stories.

Describe it in vivid detail. Brandon in the same email also writes about other weird eating habits that we asked about because that dude emailed us saying he dips his two bagels and coffee every morning for 20s. The guy went to Japan and found bagels to dip. Whoever that was, I don't remember, forget his name, but I've gotten multiple texts about you, the bagel dipping guy. Do you think that we shaved him out of it? Like, do you think he eats them now? And it's like, it's like the garden of eating.

He didn't know he was naked. And now he's like, oh, my God. I shouldn't dip these bagels. I just don't get it. The bagel would get too soggy. It's not the right consistency of bread to dip. A bagel, like a donut, I get it. I get the donut and coffee.

It doesn't disintegrate as much. The bagel is so mushy. So Brandon emails in to say two things. One, he puts French fries on salads. Brandon. Which, Brandon. What? Okay.

I know. But the other one is his three-year-old requested capers and eggs, and he says it actually rips. Interesting. Capers. Those are super salty? They're like little olives kind of. I could kind of see that. Chives and eggs?

That's interesting. Chives and eggs is not that uncommon. Fries on salads, like, isn't that weird? It sounds weird, but I mean, it's not. It's essentially a crouton. Right. It's a soggy crouton. Yeah.

oily soggy crouton. Why is it soggy? Crisp up your fries. Yeah. I guess that's fair. But you're like putting like salad dressing on the fries. They're going to soak up some of the salad dressing. You add them after.

How many, have there any foods that adding French fries would not really improve it? It's like sandwiches, fine. Burritos it in a salad, fine. I actually don't think fries improve burritos. Like they don't make it worse. But if like a California burrito, I have a. Unnecessary. I have them and I'm like, I'd so much rather have a burrito in a side of french fries

than the fries and the burrito. A sandwich. I actually like potato chips on a sandwich. I'm probably getting to the age. You're saying that French fries and a burrito are as bad as a horrific take. I didn't say they're bad. I say they don't really. No, it's a California thing, but it's like, when you get the burritos in the burrito with the fries,

I would just rather have the same burrito and the French fries in the side and go back and forth. You don't like potatoes in your burrito? Like, even a breakfast burrito? You know, like, potatoes in there? Yeah, but it's fried. Oh, yeah, it gives you a crunch. I'm kind of of of the age now where I'm like, why am I adding fried food to my?

Oh, really, Mr. Casidia Day for 15 years? Yeah. I feel like food doesn't agree with me. When you're having a carneasada burrito in a beer, I feel like the health part of it's kind of out the window. And you're probably having tortilla chips on the side that you're dipping in salsa. What are you talking about it's healthy, it's fresh, it's freshly chopped. Hyve, it's where you're leaving your California burritos? Upstate New York.

Well, no, it's when I lived in California before the global pandemic. The L.A., California britos are not a thing. They're not good. They don't even really sell them at most places. You got to go south. So I'm void. So my experience, this is very San Diego take. This is also everyone who doesn't live in California learning that San Diego and L.A. and San Francisco don't respect each other or the way they cook food.

Speaking of San Diego, did you guys just see, like 30 minutes ago, an MLS team is officially coming to San Diego. It's going to be the 30th team in the MLS. No. No, I actually will forget that as soon as this podcast. Well, for all the soccer heads out there. I actually do have, we have one big email. This is a very important email. Okay.

Okay. It's from Alec. Alec. Alic. Long time listener. Want to let you know. I thought the orange foam finger in your podcast logo was a toy dinosaur until today. Oh, I got to go look now.

If you're listening to this podcast, look at our logo. You can go to listen wherever you listen to the podcast right now. And Alex says that he thought that was a toy dinosaur. And I was like, what did an idiot? And then it looked at it. I was like, oh, my God. No, I cannot not see it. A toy dinosaur.

Looks like a stegosaurus. It looks like a stegosaurus. Yeah. I know. So what do we do about this? I can't not see it now. The number one looks like the leg, the separation between the legs of the stegasaurus. Yes.

It looks like a stagosaurus. I think it looks like a brontosaurus. Oh, it is a bronosaurus. You're right. Sorry. Yeah. A long neck. Wait, what does a stegosaurus look like now?

That's the one with the spiky back. Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, that kind of works. But yeah, Bronosaurus is better. It's the ring and face football show with a dinosaur. That's pretty funny. He's got a right.

Is that representative of me? I'm a dinosaur. Oh, by the way, Craig, I've gotten many compliments. And I know that you've gotten them in the email, too, of our theme song, of our music. And Craig picked that out. He didn't make it, to be clear. I, I executively produced it. Evan Campbell made the music.

But I, like, told him what I wanted. Oh, wait. No, I'm sorry. That was our old music. Fantasy music. Yes, this music I picked out on my own. I didn't make it, obviously, but I picked it out. So I did the same through the art.

I wanted a dinosaur-looking representation on the art. Dinosaur. Hivis is like there's actually a strong crossover between fans of dinosaurs and fantasy football. So can we incorporate that? Graphic design is my passion. If you have any thoughts on our dinosaur logo. I like that D.K.'s idea that it just represents him. Well, I was like getting ahead of it.

You know, like how Eminem does, he just disses himself so the other guy can't do it in the rap battle. Yeah, just getting ahead of it. Because I'm older. Cheddar by with the plaquesicle. I'm older than you guys. That's what we're going to do with Cal Pitts. We're just going to get ahead of it this year.

All right. I'm getting out of here. All right. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, D.K. Thank you to everyone emailed us. Thank you, Alec, for now I literally can't even look at our podcast logo the same way. Thank you, Kai, Kai, for producing this episode.

Thank you, Lauren. Lauren. Thank you. Aba, we're in Sweden. Oh, I forgot we're in Sweden. I know that you can do it again. There's like a hologram ABBA concert that you can go to

apparently. That's like really awesome. We got to book the ABBA Museum. We have to book that. Do you guys want to go together? I'm going to buy so much ABMA merch. Wait. I'm not going to be able to afford a flight home. I'm going to buy so much ABMAWRs. Oh, don't forget to email.

If you've made it this far, no Stockholm. Email us at ringer fancy football at e-mail.com for Stockholm recommendations, but do it really quickly because we're like leaving soon. So send us that. And then Abba. All right, wait, how do we book this, Abba tour? DK., do you like Abba? Yeah.

God, they're the best. They're incredible. Just dancing queen? It's a banger. Gim, gimme, gimme, it's just an absolute ripper. There's so many of their songs sounds so modern in terms of like how the beats are constructed. Yeah. Yeah.

I feel like I'm having, did we talk about this previously on a podcast? I feel like recently we talked about Aba, so sorry if that's... Also, just like incredible vibes, clothing-wise. Does you know that the clothes were for a tax write-off? I just can't get over there, look. Wow. The 70s were the best. In Sweden, there's a law that if you can prove,

or there was a lot at the time that if you could prove your clothes were not for everyday use, there's a huge... You could just write them off your taxes. So that's, they were like, we should just dress really weird and we want to have to pay for a clothes, and that's how it started. Interesting.

All right, hold on. Do you want me to book us three tickets to the Ab museum right now? Well, no, because I have a fiancé who also works at the ringer. She might want to come. So, okay, we'll all go together. Well, we should, we can do this off mic. We should see if anybody else wants to go. I don't know.

All right, fine. Done, literally Goddick now. I don't know. All right, fine. Goodbye, everyone.