The Ringer NFL Show - 2023’s Most Interesting Fantasy Wide Receivers

Episode Date: May 30, 2023

Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck highlight a handful of the most interesting fantasy wide receivers going into the 2023 season with help from The Ringer’s 2023 Fantasy Football Rankings (4:07). Finally, the guys close with emails (53:05). A.J. Brown, Philadelphia Eagles (5:29) Chris Olave, New Orleans Saints (12:42) Deebo Samuel, San Francisco 49ers (20:16) Kadarius Toney and Skyy Moore, Kansas City Chiefs (24:32) Mike Evans, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (28:46) Terry McLaurin, Washington Commanders (35:32) D.J. Moore, Chicago Bears (39:38) Jerry Jeudy, Denver Broncos (43:19) Diontae Johnson, Pittsburgh Steelers (47:24) Check out our 2023 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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ball.thriner.com. It's getting animated. I'm just getting into it. Yeah. We're previewing receivers today. Yeah. And full disclosure. We're lying to you.

This is May 17th that we're recording this. This is Wednesday. This is ages ago that we're recording this. I don't know what. Cedars, Tony, probably had three hamstring injuries just since we started recording this podcast. That was uncalled for.

Was it? You know what it was uncalled for? Him actually faking the injuries last year. and then admitting it as soon as he got to the cheats. That was uncalled. He's a performer. Yeah. This is entertainment.

Yes. I was, I am not entertained. He would have been great in Vince McMahon's old XFL where it's just really more entertainment than football. He would have been awesome in that. He's literally that, that meme of the guy with like the broken leg who just stands up out of the wheelchair. Anyway, so we're going to go through receivers.

We're not going through every receiver today. We're getting through the ones that obviously Kidair Stoney already came up. The ones that we are. yell about the most and or drive me the most insane. That's basically who we're talking about today. Right now we're travelling around Europe. So please, if anyone has gotten hurt or trades or I don't know. Do you say travelling?

Traveillance. That's not a word is it. That's not true. This is the Tuesday after. I mean, I guess I will still be in Europe. We're just traveling. I'll be in Europe. Oh, you will?

DK will be home. So go say hi to DK. DK is used to a solo pod on like drunk history that he's always wanted to do. he just wants to do like a... Yeah, I'm just drunk Roman history dad for an hour. People are going to love it. Before we get into individual receivers, I wanted to just kind of ask,

pick your brains on like the receiver position writ large. I, my vibe so far, and again, it's mid-May, we can change our minds. However, my vibe this year on the receivers

has never been clearer in that there's really just, broadly speaking, five buckets. And honestly, the fourth bucket's like old vets and the fifth bucket is like unproven guys. So there's really, just three buckets to me.

It's just the top six elite dudes that we've talked about, right? It's Justin Jefferson and Jim R. Chase and Devante Adams, those guys. And then it's like, that second bucket is like all the elite sexy guys. It's Jalen Waddle and, you know, Garrett Wilson and Cidley Lamb and the guys that when you take them, you'll feel good. Everyone feel

jealous. You'll look at your roster and be like, wow, I'm so good. The names have amazing to them. Yeah. Yeah. Gravitas. And then there's this giant next tier of dudes that are just so unnerving that you just don't feel good about. They just kind of like, like it's just, you look at them and you feel off and you're not feeling

great about it. You have to talk yourself into them, right? And we're going to get into specifically these guys. Like, you know, there's freaking DJ Moore, Michael Pittman, Calvin Ridley, you hasn't played, I can't remember the last time Calvin Ridley played football. And so before we dive into some of these dudes, I just broadly speaking, wanted to ask you guys, what do you think your strategy is going to be this season? Because I feel so weird going into this season.

I feel like if you don't have. one or two of those top like 15 dudes, 16 guys, kind of feel lost at sea. I don't know. How do you feel, D.K., about receiver this year? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I think, obviously, I think you nailed it when you were talking about how,

like, how it feels to have these guys on your team. You feel invincible. You feel like you're going to just absolutely destroy your opponent. Yeah, like, I think that having two of those guys, like, if you double dip on those guys early on, like then you feel really, really strong going into it. You know, I don't know if I have anything like major, major feelings of the receivers quite yet.

I think relative to the running backs, I feel a lot more confident in them, though. I'd say that. And that's like kind of how it's been the last few years. I think early vibes are, I want two of the top, 12, 15 wide receivers. I want an elite quarterback and everything else I'll figure out later. Right.

Yeah, that's how I kind of feel too. I feel like the fact that when we're like, hey, after the top 24 receivers, there's chaos. Also the top 24 running backs after that, there's chaos. I'm like, all right. Well, the running back chaos is a ladder. The receiver chaos is just actually anarchy. Yeah, and as it always goes, you know, there are Jerich McKinnons every year that you

can find on the waiver wire. A lot harder to do a wide receiver. So with that said, I want to start actually with one receiver, the only guy actually that I think actually transcended it. It was like, the top six receiver is so clear. There's, you know, in whatever order you want to put him in. But there's Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, Tyree Kill, Cooper Cup, Devante Adam Stefan Diggs. That's the six. That's the Holy Trinity. They're all incredible.

And a guy that I am actually wondering if he's like kind of belongs in that top tier. I've been thinking so much about AJ Brown for the Eagles. AJ Brown is incredible. Stephen Ruiz summarized his game as basically LeBron James, but he plays football. And his job is just to cut to the basket every time. And it's just this unstoppable play. And I thought that was a really good summary. We have AJ Brown as their seventh receiver.

He was like the sixth receiver in fantasy last year. And I'm kind of looking at his season. So he had a hundred forty-five dark. It's 1,500 yards and 11 touchdowns last year. Like career high in every category played like 16 games. And I kind of can't decide if it's silly to expect that again. Because the Eagles had the easiest schedule in football and also like the easiest schedule for receivers last year. Or of actually A.J. Brown's just scratching the surface because they still have like the sixth schedule,

easiest schedule for receivers this year. And also the Eagles didn't pass that much because they were up so early in games. Right. It's like they played three quarters a game. They really did. Every freaking week. The Eagles, the Eagles in the second quarter were like the greatest football team since like the freaking 07 Patriots. The Eagles 23rd in pass attempts, despite A.J. Brown having the 1500 yards.

Eagles are 23rd in past attempts. They were 29th in dropback rate in the NFL. Basically almost half, just half their plays were dropbacks. And then also, I just found this. The Eagles had the fastest pace offense in the first half. They were literally running at the fastest pace. And then they got the lead and they just sat on the ball. They were pacing the second half was like bottom six.

They're the rare team. That's like quite literally too good for the receiver to actually reach his potential. Like the Eagles are too good for A.J. Brown to have a Devonte Adams like season where he gets 180 targets and 120 catches. AJ Brown had 88 catches last year. That's fine. That's not bad. But Justin Jefferson at 128, 40 more catches than him. Yeah.

So if you look at the target rate, Craig, that's a perfect example. Justin Jefferson and AJ Brown had the exact same target rate on the year, 28.7. Justin Jefferson, as you said, had like 40 more targets or sorry, 40 more catches than A.J. Brown. Like that just tells you the differences between these two offenses. And that worries me a little bit, but, but hyphids, as you were saying, going forward, I mean, aren't they going to pass more this year? Like, can we expect the volume to go up? And this is a, also it's a funnel offense. It's basically all AJ Brown and Devante Smith and Dallas got her sprinkled in.

It's basically those three guys and no one else. It's true. It's like this is everything we want from a fantasy offense. It's like the running back is a broken position. But Jalen Hertz is the goal line back. And then they just only throw it to their two receivers in a tight end. But to your point, it's like maybe it's a little galaxy brain to say, well, they'll play easier. They'll have a harder schedule.

So that's better because, you know, it's actually good for them to get a all the yards and touchdowns at some point. But they didn't really play in the fourth quarter. The Eagles literally had the fewest dropbacks in the fourth quarter of any team in the football. They had 104 dropbacks, not even throws, dropbacks in the fourth quarter last season. So I made a hundred and four dropbacks in the whole season. No, no, no, yeah, in the fourth quarter, yeah.

Isn't that crazy? They just didn't play football. If you watch the Eagles, you're like, yeah, they just literally take the ball and sat on it because they were up 15 every single time. I feel like Justin Herbert had 100 dropbacks in the fourth quarter in like the first three games of the season. I think Brady actually literally had like more than double that number.

Just Brady alone. It's crazy. So anyway, yeah, I look at A.G. Brown. Also, did you guys know that A.J. Brown puts a hundred dollar bill in his shoulder pads with tape every time he's 100 yards in a game? So he's got like thousands of dollars in his... Wait, he adds them to his pads throughout the season? He takes them out at the end of the season and donates them to charity. But every game during the season, he tapes a $100

bill. And he says it's because he wants to keep stacking them. To the inside of his pads? Yes. I don't think we want a keep to leave situation where someone just rips the money out of. When he donates them, do you think he writes a check or does he give just the sweaty bills to a charity? Big checks. Yeah. Give me one of those big ones. That guy got one. Well, A.J. Brown's like 25, so there's no chance he writes a check, right? I mean, how many people are each write checks? Also, it's like, cool, you donated $1,000. you make $20 million a year.

Donate more. Maybe put $1,000. Yeah, come on. Let's not get mad at it. He's donating money, Craig. Let's not get mad at him. Donate a little more. How about that?

Is $100 actually kind of cheap for him? Is $100 kind of cheap for A.J. Brown? Yeah. What's he getting paid? $18 million a year? It's like if we put ones. We're like, is that actually? Yeah.

I'm like, every time I put up 20 to pick up game, I put a dollar bill in my shoe and I donate them at the end of the season. We should get A.J. Brown on this podcast. and then just call him out for being cheap with charity. Totally. DK's like, no, let's not do that. We should definitely do that. For sure. Anyway, okay, let's pivot back to fantasy here.

Who is AJ Brown going to usurp of the guys that had of him? We have Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, Cooper Cup, Tyree Kill, Devante Adams, and Stefan Diggs. You could convince me that he should be above Stefan Diggs and Devonte Adams and maybe be sitting at that number five spot. So I think the question is, you can. I can take him ahead at any of those guys. I wouldn't. I think the thing for me is he's above, mentally, he's a tier above C.D. Lamb.

It doesn't make sense because maybe it's just, I'm a Giants fan, and I actually just hate the Cowboys more than the Eagles. I can't explain why. But I just feel like A.J. Brown is straight up better than C.D. Lamb in real life, I also think he's more consistent. But then really, I think what A.J. Brown's usurping is, would you rather of A. J.J. Brown or Nick Chub. A.J. Brown or Nick Chub.

A.G. Brown or Derek Henry. Even A.E. Or D.E.E.B.T.R.R. I think that's the question and I'm realizing like Jalen Waddle I actually kind of want the running backs but A.J. Brown I actually kind of just want A.G. Brown if he's there. Basically, unless like Devonter, Stefanix is there. I don't know. I kind of think receivers are so sexy that in almost any scenario

if you said do you want this receiver or the commensurately ranked running back? I would always say the wide receiver. I feel like I just always want the wide receiver over the running back. I have to begrudgingly draft running backs every year. Nothing, nothing on that. You guys are totally in on running backs. these receivers are sexier AJ Brown versus Derek Henry

Come on Should we have like a thirst setting For the guide and just kind of just rank Like a bonk setting And just have all the receivers go up or down Based on your thirst level Yeah we should do a little Like a little Reddit arrow

So people can vote Like how sexy is this player up or down Like Jackie Dobbins Very low Fantasy thoughts Ha It's actually wow It's actually good

All right let's talk about that What we're done All right Write that down. Speaking of the sexy, again, there's that sexy, for lack of a better term, I'm saying sexy. But that other tier receivers, like AJ Brown's at the top of it, C.D. Lamb, you know, Jalen Waddle, T. Higgins. And then there's like Chris Olavay. Yeah.

Is he sexy or is he not? What do we do with him? So Chris Olive is so interesting to me because he was very good last year, like very good. He was a rookie last year getting passes from Andy Dalton. a lot of they played 15 games. He had over 1,000 yards. He had four touchdowns. Most of his passes were thrown to him by Andy Dalton.

He was sixth in air yards in the league. Six in targets per route run. Sixth in target, 16th in target chair, which translation is they threw to him a ton when he was on the field. They threw him a lot more than all the other players on the field. And they threw it deep to him. And when they threw to him, he usually caught it and made good things happen. And now Derek Carr is the quarterback of the Saints,

which is another thing that I don't think people realize. I kind of think most people just think Derek Carr still in the Raiders. He's there. Yeah, he's there. He's the quarterback of the Saints. He just gave Devante Adams one of the best fantasy seasons of his career is a very capable, solid, good quarterback, much better than Andy Dalton. Dude, Devante Adams and Derek Carr, they led the NFL in deep touchdown passes.

Like, touchdowns that travel 20 yards in the air. Like, they had like 10 or 11 of Devante's touchdowns were all 20 yards in the air. And now he's going to a lobby is one of the best young deep ball trackers. Yeah. And to pile onto that, Mike Clay for ESPN just wrote about the easiest schedules for each position in fantasy. The Saints have the easiest schedule

in the league for wide receivers this year. And like, let's look at the Saints, man. They have Michael Thomas, L.O.L. They have Alvin Camara, who may get suspended. They have Rahid Shaheed, A.T. Perry, who's a rookie. James Washington. Their tight ends are Joanne Johnson. Like, a lot of it just seems like

a very sure bet. And yet I think when you compare him to Garrett Wilson, everyone will pick Garrett Wilson. Garrett Wilson is one spot ahead of him in our rankings. And I think he's just sexier and Olavis just not. I don't really know why. It's funny how some players just become sexy and others don't. But Olave to me is not sexy.

He's like falling into the Keenan Allen bucket. He doesn't do it. Well, he's not as an exciting of a player in terms of style. He's basically, and we talked about this in the pre-Jet process. But he's a deep ball guy. Like, that should be sexy. He's so refined. And like, Chris Olavi is just polished.

and D.K. was on this right from when he was coming out of the draft. And D.K., you kind of nailed it. It was Garrett Wilson or Lave, and you said Garrett Wilson, but also you were like, but they're both going to be really good. It's just vibes. It's just styles. Yeah. Like, Garrett Wilson is chaos walking.

He's in the Cadarius Tony mold of a guy who, like, his body movements are weird and unexplainable. He's so athletic, so explosive, run after the catch. Yeah, if Cadius Tony played football, he'd be Garrett Wilson. Exactly. But, I mean, at the end of the end, On the other hand, on the other side of the coin is Olava, who's like very polished. When I picture Olavé, when I'm like, here's a highlight of Olavie.

He's running like a 10-yard stop route and catching the wall for like, nothing that he does is like super exciting. Nothing that he does is crazy explosive or fun or highlight worthy. And I think additionally, and this is a bias I have going back to like pre-draft, like he's just not very physical. He's just kind of a soft player. But he's open all the time. He's open. He gets open. And that's the thing.

And so I think stylistically, he's just not a sexy player, but he's also very good. And he's probably going to put up numbers. I think the one worry I have in this offense is, number one, there's a new quarterback. I'm not saying that Derek Carr is better. I'm not saying he's not better than Andy Dalton. I don't know if he's a lot better than Andy Dalton.

I stop. Dude. Have you seen Andy Dalton's numbers? The Derrick Carr slander has gone too far. Derek Carr is solid. I totally disagree. Derek Carr is exactly rated perfectly in my life. And that is right next to Andy Dalton.

When you say that, you say when the Jets said that they thought Derek Carr could be a Hall of Famer? Bullshit. Yeah. Do you think the Jets said that to make Derek Carr think they were nuts and not sign with them? Derek Carr is thrown for over 4,000 yards like five years in a row. He throws for like 25 touchdowns every year. He's above average.

Craig's in on Derek Carr. I don't know if it's because he likes Derek Carr. You had you until he ended it with he's above average. Well, you're trading him like he's a bottom 10 quarterback. I think that's insane. Yeah, I suppose. I'm probably like overdoing it in terms of like my negativity towards him, but I really don't think he's like a massive upgrade over Andy Dalton.

Let me tell you. Let me ask you this. When Devante Adams went to the Raiders, were you terrified of what was going to happen to him because of Derek Carr? No. Okay. And look what happened. Because they played together before.

That's okay. Like 10 years ago. We talk about that all the time. It does matter. it's been a decade it's like riding a bike man that's friendship Craig Craig you were just at a bad support

do you see your college friendship pick up where you left off man exactly that's what I'm saying I saw your pictures of doing keg stands Mo Williams from the Cavs shows up right now in the Lakers and him and LeBroner just back in sync hell yeah I don't think so easily

I mean dude LeBron and Zatrona Silgouskis would fucking run a beer pong game I don't know how I became the Derek car guy but I guess I'm here I'm not like to be But like, is it with Craig, is it because you like Derek Carr or because everyone else is out in Derek Carr and you have a little contrarian streak? I definitely do have a little contrarian in me.

I don't know. No one talks about Chris Olavé and they should. I mean, I think he's good. To be clear, he's good. I don't want to sleep also. You mentioned Rashid Shaheed. Rashid Shahid, I think if I'm looking at it correctly, had like zero catches last year that didn't go for 50 yards in a touchdown. Right.

That's not actually true. But it felt like Rashid Shahid had six catches for like 80. yards per catch and eight in a touch you know what I mean so I actually think that what is interesting again Derek actually does have a solid deep ball after like we questioned whether he could do it for like seven years and he was like fuck you I'll show you so I'm gonna pay devil's advocate here because I don't think this is going to happen but what if Michael Thomas does play a lot stop like doesn't that hurt chris Olava a lot I haven't heard that name in years Michael Thomas had 149 catches at a season and then sprained his ankle and I never we never saw three

years ago. It was before the pandemic. So weird. He's played like eight football games since there was a pandemic. He's the David Johnson of wide receivers. Just what happened to that guy? So he got hurt again two months ago and we were just like what? He just got like some metal taken out of his foot.

I don't know. Screws. I made this mistake last year. I'm not even thinking about Michael Thomas. Michael Thomas honestly is just like Cadarist Tony Benjamin Button. I don't know. We should do a fantasy Where Are They Now segment

But it's the current players What happened to this guy But he's still in the league? I think David Johnson was on a team last year If I'm not mistaken He was, yeah Was it the Saints? I don't know

Yeah, actually I think so Was it the Saints? I don't know Do you guys know how old David Johnson is? He's probably like 26. He's 31. This is a T-K. Oh my God.

He was on the Saints last year. He had 12 carries. Was he? Oh, my God. All right, wait. Pulling this train back on. Another guy that, as we're making our tier, and again, our tiers here at fancyfobled.3.com,

if you click on the position, like a single position, you can click on multiple. But if you click on just one position, you can see our tiers appear. And again, we got that, like, elite tier, and then we got all the cool guys. And the guy that I thought was really hard to kind of decide, and we ultimately put a tier below.

was Debo Samuel for the 49ers, who I thought was firmly, firmly one of the sexier players you could have in the last couple of years. And now I feel like the questions around Debo Samuel's health and also just the general not knowing who the quarterback is than the 49ers

has pushed it till. I actually get more stress looking at Debo than I do thinking he's cool. Am I alone on that DK? No. The 49ers are a fantasy mess, honestly. Besides McCaffrey. Well, even McCaffrey. like I'm, I think I'm more worried about McCaffrey than you guys are.

Because I think when they had Elijah Mitchell in the offense last year, this was, granted, this was early when McCaffrey was traded. So maybe they were just easy McCaffrey in or whatever. But when they were both healthy, they were like rotating a lot. Like McCaffrey's volume went way down. Is this why I have a tattoo in my back that's like across my shoulder blades that says don't, don't draft 49 is running back? Yeah.

Also, but like, it's on your back. So you can't really see it. You kind of forget about it. More specifically, like the receiver situation is a mess. Like I don't know what to do with Iuke. I don't know what to do with Kittle, to be honest. Like, who's the quarterback going to be? We don't even know who the freaking quarterback is going to be.

And I think Debo is definitely still, and Hyfitz, you nailed it. He was maybe one of the most sexy, fancy players of our generation. Like in 2021, that was the most crazy year. He was essentially, we talked about this all the time. He was like a cheat code. He's essentially two players in one because he was running. He had scored eight rushing touchdowns. Like the next closest rushing touchdown guy among receivers was Jarvis Landry with two, you know?

And so he was playing essentially goal line back and receiver. He had 1,400 yards receiving. That's crazy. Like he was like absolute fancy cheat code. He was so good. He finished as the overall wide receiver two. He had 300 points in half PBR. And but like at the same time after that season, he voluntarily and like very purposely asked.

the team to like lower his his usage on the ground and he was worried about like his longevity. I think there's obvious reasons for that. Like he's getting hit, taking way more hits than most receivers. And the injury situation did come back. And you kind of worry about that. But he got a new contract. And then his numbers in 2022 absolutely fell off the like fell off a cliff. He went from wide receiver two in 2021 to the wide receiver 37 in 2022.

And the wide receiver 26 in points per game. So I don't know, man. He only had 600 yards receiving. He had three touchdowns on the ground. Regression hit. They added Christian McCaffrey. I don't know what to do with this guy because obviously he has the elite upside,

but he's going to have to have multiple injuries to get anywhere close to the type of volume he had in 2021. Debo, Samuel is a sports car. He looks incredible sitting in the garage. And you're like, man, every once in a while you take him out for a spin it could be electric and then most of the other days you're like

oh there's actually a problem with the suspension you got to get that fixed oh it actually doesn't really make sense to drive him on the hilly areas and then by the end of the team like he was really fun for four games but in reality the juice is not worth to squeeze with me personally for Debo there are other guys in his range who have the same upside and are way safer

and it's even worse than that because you're actually bidding on that car with other people but the problem is a cool car. It's in a cool color. It's got cool seats. And you're like, how are you possibly going to get a deal on a car that looks that cool? It's like, you know what car is boring? Amari Cooper? Boring car. Bad color. T. Higgins. T. Higgins is never going to run out of gas. He's a, yeah, it's like get a Subaru. Way more affordable. He's an astrovan. He's an astrovan. You drive in December?

Yeah. An astro fan. Take the minivan, pick up the kids from soccer, and go home to your wife. draft T. Higgins. Is it Cadarius Tony time or should I just complain about other receivers that are liberated? I think it's,

let's just talk chief receivers in general, but Cadarius Tony is a big part of it. Did you guys see the Brett Veach quote on Cadarius Tony recently? He basically said, he's like, look, Cadarious Tony's whole career,

he's been predominantly like a slot guy, returner, runner, gadget guy. And he's like, but nobody knows a limit on his game because of his vertical game. And we can tap into that. The Giants didn't, when he was at Florida,

they didn't do that. And he's like, we got him in the middle of the season, so there was only so much we could do with them. But the sky's the limit. He's really smart. He picked up the playbook quickly. Um, so it's like, after reading that, first thing I did was I changed my shorts. And then I came and sat back down. Uh-huh. And then I pulled up-huh. He's happy tissues or sad tissues. Exuberant tissues. And then I looked at the chief's depth chart. They're receiving core. And I was like, okay, so they lost. Juju and McCull Hardman, which is about 1,200 yards receiving last year.

They replaced them with Rashi Rice and Richie James. Roshy Rice is a round two rookie. And Richie James, Hyfitz is very familiar with. I think it was an undrafted slot guy. Yeah. And the other receivers are Marquez-Valdes, Gantling, Justin Watson, and they obviously have Travis Kelsey. Like,

there's Skymore who will get to, but my opinion on these, on Skymore and Cadarious, Tony, is you should at all cost to strap both of them. Just do it. it's worth the price. Cadarist Tony's at 94 in our rankings. Sky Moors at 136. When is the last time the number one receiver

on a Super Bowl caliber team with an Hall of Fame quarterback, MVP quarterback, the highest ranking wide receivers, 94? Just drive them both. Yeah. This is the depth chart uncertainty deal that we talk about during the off season. Like if you don't know exactly

who the number one receiver is going to be, and especially in this situation where they're really cheap, like there's no downside for grabbing one or both of these guys. One of them will be good, unless you think it's Rashi Rice, D.K. I don't think so. I mean, at least in year one,

generally, I think the chiefs have sort of taken young guys and new guys slowly and integrated them into their offense over time, which is actually why I still have a little bit of hope for Skymore because Skymore, frankly, just wasn't very good as a rookie. Touchdown in the Super Bowl.

Though, that was cool. Did he have one? Oh, yeah, was that the one he stole from Cadarious Stoney? It was supposed to be first one lined up on the wrong side. But don't you think the chiefs are just getting so ballsy with their wide receiver room? It's like last year they're like, all right, what they're doing with our tackle situation too. Yeah, and you're like, all right, we don't have Tyreek anymore.

We have Juju though. And everyone's like, okay, this is not going to work. They win the Super Bowl. And they're like, okay, I'll raise you one more. Fuck you, Juju. And we're not replacing you with anyone. We'll do it again. We'll just run it back.

This is what happens we have Patrick Mahomes. They remind me of the Packers when the Packers for like five years in a row. They just had, well, who are your receivers? So it's Devante Adams and then four guys who should all be a number four option. But the difference is the chiefs have won three Super Bowls. Yeah, I know. You're right. The Cadarys Tony, I'm not going to lie, is the Happy Gilmore quote of like, oh, shoot, do you see, hit the ball 400 yards?

Like how many snaps he played the Super Bowl? Five, got it. Yeah, he had a good day, though. Almost two touchdowns. Should have three, really. Oh, my God. You're right, though. I hate to say it.

I hate Cadar's Tony with all my soul. But you're right. he's probably a really good pick to share because the reality is if he's healthy he will be an incredible value and maybe that's like saying if the Vegas gets like a month of rain like you know what I mean?

There's no shot that he's going to be at 94 when it comes to draft season. There's just no way. People are going to talk themselves into him. Like how much is it going to cost to draft Cadaristone and Skymore like 15 bucks? Like it's so worth it.

Daniel Plainview over there. There's a whole ocean of oil under my feet. No one can get it except for me. That's how I feel with Cadarias on my dynasty team. By the way, Craig, this is unrelated mostly to fantasy, but did you know that Cadarius, Tony, and Kyle Pitts were college teammates in the same

offense? I did. Maybe there must have been those disappointing team. Frustrating. Yeah. Kyle Trask was their was their quarterback, by the way. Okay. Well, speaking to Kyle Trask, okay, the Bucks,

so I, the bucks, the quarterback competition is Baker Mayfield versus Kyle Trask. and my phone autocorrects Trask to trash. It's tough. And if you think that that has not come up in whatever receiver group text that Mike Evans and Chris God would have, then you are probably wrong. Bad sign. You think they've texted his name?

I don't. You think they haven't? No. They've never texted. Well, you know what? The Bucks chose to never play Kyle Trask. That's bad. Second round pick.

And they just, even in garbage time when they benched Brady that didn't put him in, that's not good. So I feel like Baker is going to be the quarterback. And it's so weird to figure out Mike Evans and Godwin because two reasons. One, Mike Evans was kind of like good for the first half of the season. And then like historically, incredibly awful and disappointing for the second half the season. And then he just blew up in week 17. So his numbers were saved.

He got his thousand yards for the eighth year in a row. He was like the 14th receiver. If you take out the, he had 20% of his yards on the season in week 17. 20%. What was the stat line? What was the stat line? Oh my God. It was like a hundred and not.

Let me look it up. It was insane. I'm curious now. It was like 19% of his season yards. That's insane. It was out of control. Fantasy entropy? Yeah, because he was just not starting for anyone.

It's useless. You didn't have it. It's week 17. Unless you're in the championship. No one with Mike Evans was in the championship. I promise. He had 10 catches for 207 yards and three touchdowns in week 17.

And entering that game, he had yardage, 40, 54, 3159, 44, 84, 83, 29. And then he had 23 fantasy points in that game. You've been in the burn book for us. Oh, yeah. So I'm looking at this season and I'm like, now Mike Evans and Chris Godwin

have Baker Mayfield the quarterback. And you know what it's weird about Baker, aside from just taking total backup quarterback money, which I don't even think that's a huge deal because he wanted to play. You know what I think is concerning about Baker? Have you guys realized that everywhere he goes, his teammates hate him? Do they?

Yeah. I'm trying to remember. I think Baker has been criticized by former teammates almost as much as any quarterback that there is. Like the list of quarterbacks criticized by teammates. It's basically like there's Carson Wentz, there's Kyler Murray, and like Baker. Like it's so hard to get criticized by active teammates. Those are the only three guys that were criticized by name by at the time. They're active.

Oh my gosh. Yeah. Like while they're on the team. That just doesn't happen. I'm going to say Russell Wilson's up there. Russell. Yeah. Exactly.

But like Odell Beckham's father posted the video while Baker was the quarterback. Like this guy sucks. And everyone's like, that's mean. And then he, Odell left and was incredible. And the Rams won the Super Bowl. And Kareem Hunt's dad hated Baker Mayfield. Steve Smith, senior, the analyst, like, seems to hate Baker Mayfield's guts, which is relevant because Steve Smith is the best player in like Panthers history.

Duke Johnson hates Baker Mayfield. Miles Garrett, co-captain of the Browns with Baker Mayfield, said that he did not respond to Baker Mayfield's text message when Baker left the Browns and he texted Miles to say goodbye. Miles said his relationship was slightly complicated. Didn't respond to the text. Okay. When Ian Rappaport reported that Baker was going to sign with the Panthers,

Robbie Anderson, who was on the team, just commented on Instagram. No, with like seven O's. Like, it's just, it's not normal. You know what I'm saying? What's wrong? What do you think the problem is? Is he just like, like, truly like a cocky asshole? And everyone's like, hey, you haven't done anything?

Is it the commercials? What is it? Does you think he's a movie star? I'm curious with D.K. thinks. I think that's part of it. I think that's an iceberg that there's always 80%. Because, you know, if you forget, just obviously the NFL connections, it's got a lot of these guys went to college and they all talk and like, guys, like, the networks are much bigger than you think.

Number one. Two, I do think that his personality. doing the commercials before he'd won anything hurts. I also think he's short. His arm isn't that good. And like, I think that guys, receivers respect O'Dell Beckham even more than the general public.

Like, Odell Beckham is like Drake. It's like a God. Yeah. He's like a God. And like, and he literally has more Instagram followers than any other NFL player by like a factor of 10.

And for O'Dell to go there and basically become irrelevant. I think receivers look at that as Baker can't get O'Dell Beckham the fucking full. football. How can you help me? Like Baker, Odell and Jarvis Landry almost had their careers end when they went to the Browns. And, you know, Baker goes to Carolina. It's like Ditchie Moore can't get the ball.

It's like everywhere there goes. And I think that Baker's on his best when he's like on the move, they move the pocket. He has to roll out, Throat guy. You know who hasn't been moving pockets and having quarterbacks go on the run? The Tampa Bay Buckin here is with Tom Brady. We're not like running play action moves. So they're going to have to do a new offense. Yeah. I don't know. I'm a little word Mike Evans is going to like pull a Marshawn Latimore on Baker if you can't get him to a thousand yards. The Buccaneers offense could be very grim this year. It's going to be tough.

I would say like in terms of the Baker hate, I wonder if it's just like you said, glory hogs who never really proved anything. You know what I mean? They never actually won anything. That's kind of Baker, I guess. But so I don't know. I thought he was going to be way better than he was than he was with the,

with the Panthers. And he just absolutely crap the bed. So I don't have high hopes for this this year. I kind of want to see Kyle Trash. Like, I feel like we've seen Baker. We know what Baker is. But here's the thing. Give us something else.

The Bucks haven't wanted to see Kyle Trask or Kyle Trash. And like, I don't mean to say, I'm sorry if that's mean, but like I kind of want, I can't believe that the iPhone actually just try it right now. It caught a crest, the trash. Put Kyle Trask in your phone as a contact and it'll be okay. That's true. But anyway, just add Kyle Trask. So we have Mike Evans 66th and then we also Chris Godwin 54th.

I think that makes sense because I think Baker, I think Godwood will just is better than Mike Evans, Godwin's a year removed from the ACL tear. We were kind of out on Godwin last year for that reason. I think now we can be back in on Godwin. Are we making a mistake having Mike Evans as like a fringe, like top 30 player? Just at the receiver position or like... Probably. I don't think so.

But he's the most boom-bust player. And it's like, first of those whole things deep game, does Baker even have that kind of arm anymore? I'm like, are we going to regret this? Or is it actually if you move him up and you take Mike Evans in the top 50 players? I feel like that's what I'm going to regret. My whole philosophy is, I just, I need receivers with competent quarterbacks. It makes everything easier.

It's a rising tide that lifts all boats. I can't, I can't be doing a guy, a 30-year-old guy dependent on the deep ball attached to Baker Mayfield. That is a recipe for disaster. Yeah. I mean, speaking of, there's, the, Craig, you nailed this last year where it's like there is, for all that, look, we can hold the numbers and all the analysis and all the analytics and, you know, run. However, we need to be able to come up with an underlying research for dread.

Like, that we need a metric that calculates how much angst to player gave you last season. And Craig nailed it with players who when you were watching the game made it feel like they needed a fucking miracle to catch a ball. Yeah, it's the Terry McLaren metric.

Every time Terry McLaren catches a pass, you're like, Jesus Christ, how did he, how did that happen? So many things needed to go right for him to catch that 23-yard pass. Help me God. Help me Jewish God. Help me open.

Help me. Help me Carson Wentz. Please. One of your five good passes every game. Please have those beat to Terry McLaren. But now we have Sam Howell.

What the fuck do we do with that? I feel about McLaren and Sam Howell and Jacoby Percette. Literally like the Washington just put together a quarterback room because they're like, yeah, we don't know. It was going to own the team at the time. And instead I didn't want to pay anybody. So we just cleared the decks.

This is a rudderless, a rudderless franchise. They're literally like we don't want anything serious. right now. That's the kind of relationship they have with this quarterback. We're not ready for commitment. They're just getting out of a serious thing. They just want to like play the field, you know, hang out their friend. Meanwhile, Terry McClure is just languishing there in his prime. Poor

sweet. By the way, Terry has quietly been one of the most consistent receivers in the NFL since coming into the league. I went back and looked at it. In the four years since he's been in the NFL, he is the wide receiver 14 in fantasy and half BBR. If I had to pick one by receiver

who, if they were with a competent quarterback, would just immediately be a top seven receiver in the NFL would be Terry McLaren. Yeah, he's the new Allen Robinson. He, this is a guy who's, that's perfect. Not going to ever play with a good quarterback.

I really hope that, uh, that Sam Howell can be like a guy that actually fits really well with McLaren. Because if you look at like the Sam Howell offense from college, he was hucking it deep a lot. Like that was a big part of his game. And so maybe, maybe that will translate.

The Howell situation in Washington is very similar, I think, to the Trask situation in Tampa Bay. in the sense that, like, they could have played Howell last year, and they just didn't. They did, I think, one game. Well, they did play him one game. This brought to you by the same coaching staff where Ron Rivera literally didn't know they could be eliminated the week that they were eliminated. I don't know if there was long-term planning going on. Yeah.

So, I don't know. Like, I have some hope that Howell could be like a positive force on his offense just based on his style and the way he plays. And hopefully that fits well with McLaurin. But, yeah, I mean, if you look back at the quarterbacks that I've played with McLaren during the last. four years, Carson Wentz, Taylor Heineke, Garrett, Gilbert, Kyle Allen, Alex Smith, Dwayne Haskins, Case Keenham, Colt McCoy. Holy shit, I thought...

That could have been the cast of whatever movie Hyfitts was making his guess in the last episode. Wait, I'm sorry. Dika, can you read that list again? These are quarterbacks in Terry McClureen's life? Quarterbacks that have played, have started and thrown passes for the Washington commanders since McLaren became

a NFL player. Carson Wentz, Taylor Heineke, Sam Howell, who played one game last year, Garrett Gilbert, Kyle Allen, Alex Smith, Dwayne Haskins, Case Keenum, and Colt McCoy. Holy shit.

So it's like the career backup, just carousel. Yeah, Case Keenum is without a doubt the best quarterback he's ever played with. Dude, there's been some bad list.

DeAndre Hopkins had a bad list. Alan Robinson had a bad list. Alan Robinson was rough. That's up there. That's freaking brutal. Holy crap. McLaren was the wide receiver 14 last year. Greg and I want to

Phil's podcast last summer, last spring, I can't remember. And basically we just did a draft of just pure skill players, like with contract, but absent context of team. And I think McLaurin was one of the guys we argued about the most because we were like, we've never seen this guy. He's incredible. That's thing going into the season, though, we say the same shit every year. And I know Dan Snyder's gone.

And I think eventually that Washington Washington should be a really cool team to root for. But like, as of now, do you really want Tyne McLauran? No, it's not one of those names that you're excited. Yeah. No. No, I, the other guy I feel that way about. I don't know what to do with is DJ Moore, who got traded to the Bears. He was part of that package.

That's the thing. He was traded as part of that package that the Panthers traded up. And I'm like, it's again, the line from Superbad, kind of porn you watch. It's like, you ever just seen DJ Moore on his own? Not for me. But like, actually, maybe it's the opposite. DJ more on his own is great. But the surrounding parts are just off putting because we literally called the Bears the Navy

midshipment last year. They literally had the least pass heavy offense. in more than a decade, almost like 15 years. Right. And so the problem with that, obviously, is, I mean, DG Moore could basically get a higher percentage of targets from the bears than any player on any team in the league. And he'd still be meh.

So we need the bears to throw more. And we need Justin Fields to get more efficient. Shout out to J.G. Zacharyson, who had a great episode about this recently. But the point being like, unless Fields gets better, more efficient and also throws more, and the offense just gets better and targets DG more like a number one. It's like, that's a lot of ifs. Right. The alternative is, what if you, if you actually believe all that, just get Justin Fields.

But the idea of just drafting DJ Moore, I don't know. It's like, you know, it's compared to like, AJ Brown went to the Eagles and J. Helens got better. It's like, Stefan Diggs went to the bills, Josh Allen got better. And you're like, oh, you get, Diggs was good. Agent Brown was good. What if D.J. Moore is good. I'd rather just have the quarterback because you need the quarterback to get better for the D.G.

Moore to do anything. Yeah. I will say the bears will pass more almost surely this next year than they did last year because Why? Because they won't set the record again for passing the least. How much more? I mean, they won't re-break the record? It's not going to be like a lot more. And it's probably not going to be significant enough change to make me interested in DJ Moore.

DJ Moore is one of these players. We talk about this every year who you have to rank him, but I'm not going to draft him. You know what I mean? Like I put him in there in the ranks, but in no scenario am I excited about drafting him and redraft. We need a third team. We need a third team. I think we've nailed this so far. We have the all boring team of just a bunch of Oregon.

Coopers. We have the go home to your wife team, which is like the sexy players, like, you know, that are like, oh, like Garrett Wilson. You're like, actually don't go after this, like, don't hit on like 22 year old at a bar. Like go home to your wife. Like, but we need a third team for players who are probably like incredible at football, but just are in the worst possible circumstances. McLaurin and DJ Moore are the starting receivers for that team with Michael Pittman, where you're like, you're probably great at football, never find out. I don't want to root for you. I can't watch you in TV. It's the classic rom-com. Rom-com. of the girl who's like, oh, he has the ponytail

and the glasses and then she like takes it off and like whips her hair out. Everyone's like, you've been hot this whole time? Paint covered smock. Yeah. She's got glasses. And a ponytail. I've been sitting next to you in English class all year.

Not another teen movie, by the way, is really funny. Like, I haven't watched it in probably about 15 years, but it was really funny when I was 15 years ago. Can you imagine if your fantasy team had DG. Moore McLaurin and Mike Evans on it? I just can't. Heart attack team. I couldn't stare at the roster.

It's like maybe next year team. The first team all aspirin. Like the pinch your temple team. The don't look. Just check to score at the end of the day team. There are players that make you feel like watching them. You know the feeling of when you're running late to go to the airport? But like I feel watching DJ more all the time.

Yeah. It's the, it's what D.K. said it's the worst five the worst fucking attorneys team that's exactly what it is take off your glasses and just yeah worst fucking eternity yeah all right any other receivers you guys want to hit i want to talk about jerry judy because speaking of the devil he's a frustrating guy um however i will say last year quietly almost very shockingly he was the wide receiver 20 he was a low end wide receiver 2 um in both total points and points per game and by the way the last five games the only receivers that,

and I recognize that some people are not playing fantasy in the last five games, or the last two or three games of the week, or the season, but if you look at his last five games of the season,

the only two receivers that outscored him in fantasy were Jefferson and Jamar. Like, he went absolutely bonkers down the stretch. The Broncos offense, I think, is going to be better.

I think Russell Wilson is going to at least be marginally better than he was last year because it was an absolute fucking disaster last year. Now they have Sean Payton. I think they're going to get more to like,

you know, the play action game and balanced offense that actually works better for Wilson gets him, you know, to take those deep shots. Are we way too low on Jerry Judy? We got it at the wide receiver 32. He was the wide receiver 20 last year and the offense isn't going to get better. First of all, Jerry Judy, DJ Moore and Mike Evans all having like incredible end of like

playoff stretches when you definitely didn't make the playoffs if you had them. It's like you ever had a family member show up with like food for Thanksgiving like an hour after dinner ended? This is useless to me. Like, thanks. But to your point, I'm kind of like, I would be totally in on Jerry Judy, except for like totally believe that Sean Payton wanted to trade him. Well, that's my one problem. They didn't trade him.

I agree that. That's true. And I also worry about the fact that, like, Tim Patrick is going to be back. And apparently he's, you know, going to be a big part of their office. He's drafted Marvin Mims. Cortland Sutton still there. D.K. My question for you is if Sean Payton, quote unquote, fixes the Broncos's offense, Russell,

and again, part of it is just the upgrade of going from. Nathaniel Hackett, who was supposed to just let Aaron Rogers run an offense. Then they have to get Russell Wilson and Nathaniel Hackett's like, shit, I got to deal with this guy. So Sean Payton, half of it's just not doing the Nathaniel Hackett stuff, but how do you think Jerry Judy would fit into the offense that Sean Peyton would run to run to run to put the bumpers in the bowling lane back up for Russell Wilson? I mean, I think he would fit well. Like he's he is capable of getting deep. He has good speed. He has good ball tracking skills.

He's good after the catch. I don't think he's an elite player like we thought he was going to be kind of coming into. the NFL, you know, he was probably overrated. But at the same time, I think he's a good player. Like, he can put up production. And so I just think we probably have him ranked a little bit too low based on perception of Russell Wilson and just kind of like the offense in general and sort of of the vibes during the offseason have not been good for the Broncos.

We have Judy ranked 70 seconds. He's a 32nd wide receiver at fantasy football dot the ringer.com. And you're right that, again, at the most base level, like a by low is. someone that everyone hates or is disgusted by just by the previous season without thinking a longer picture. It's harder to find a better candidate than the Broncos where it's like you had Jerry Judy in this Russell Wilson offense. You had Cortland Sutton coming off injury.

And it's like, yeah, those two guys, everyone's disgusted by it. Those are obvious bounce back candidates. The whole Denver team in general is a really good post type sleeper candidate. You can get a lot of value for basically everybody on that team. Also, Judy, I think another, I mean, I like Judy. I draft him. It seems like every damn year. For the record, Craig is like 20 spots higher than High Fitz and I on June.

I think I got to move him up. It's because when he plays, he's good. But the problem is, is most of the games he's playing, he's beat up. I mean, this year, he started the season. I don't know if you remember with like a weird rib kind of abdomen injury. And then that affected him like the whole season. And then the year before that high ankle sprain week one. He was out eight weeks and then had to like limp the rest of the year.

He's always beat up. It's like what I say with C.D. Lamb. And Deonti Johnson. Same thing. That group of people is like Every time Judy catches a ball, it's like watching a guy ride a bike without holding the handlebars. It's like when Anthony Davis goes to the floor,

you're like, is he getting up? Yes. And that is the biggest fear with Judy is like, I don't think he can put together 17 games for multiple seasons in a row. I just don't. You're right. Literally, I think it was Judy that inspired the original.

If it looks bad, he's fine. And if he's fine, then it's bad. It had to have been Deonté. It was Deonté, dude. It was so Deontas. No, that Judy injury happening against the Giants and we were like, oh, he broke a leg, he's out for the year. And we're like, oh, high-uncle spread, we're back at like a month. Deonti, he suffered a season-ending injury

literally every game. He would come back in like a quarter later. His knee would explode every time he ran an out route. And then he came back. His knee was bending in the complete wrong direction. He's fine. Do you know how many times I've texted my friend? Like, fuck me, Deontay down, looks bad. And then just like, L-L-L-J-K, he's bad. While we're on Deontay, talk about guys that I actually have a theory that if you score like one touchdown in a season, like you're probably bad, but zero the next season you're going to be great because all you think about and hear about is scoring zero and then your teammates hold.

Like Miles Sanders got a didn't score touchdown 20, 21. He got like the first touchdown of the season last year because the Eagles are like, we have to get him a touchdown. It's mentally a problem. Deonti Johnson will lead the freaking league in touchdowns this year, but also lead the league and just like times getting up after tackle where you wonder if he like is never going to play again. Have you guys seen Mallrats? No. No, but that's a great artist. Shout out Mallrat.

Charlie, amazing song. That's a Kevin Smith movie, right? Yeah, from way back in the day, there's a scene. Basically, there's a running bit throughout the show where one of the main characters is really worried because this kid keeps getting back on the escalator. It's like, that kid, that kid is back on the escalator again. And that's me every time I see Deontay Johnson get hurt or go down. I'm like, that guy is on the down.

on the field again. You know, I said on the last episode that, like, I always have amnesia coming into the next season. Like, if I look back on Deonti Johnson, I'm like, oh, yeah, I mean, he wasn't great last year, but, you know, he's always kind of fine. Deonti Johnson had a fucking disaster of a season. You know, he was six in the NFL in targets? Well, he had the most targets ever without a touchdown by, like, 30 targets. He had 147 targets, and he had two targets more than A.J. Brown, and A.J. Brown scored

a hundred and twenty more fantasy points which again is 20 touchdowns worth of fantasy points that is so rough holy shit that's like Melvin Gordon rookie season do you guys remember this he had like a million touches and zero touchdowns the whole season

the regression is going to hit hard in a good way for Deonti don't you think the other thing with the Steelers that it's sneaky is like the Steelers actually had one of the hardest schedules in the league last year and then inserted can he pick it as a rookie into the hardest part of Oh, yeah, that was funny.

And the Steelers schedule this year is way easier. And that's sneakily, like, again, one of the reasons Deonté and all the receivers last year, like Claypool and who was on the team had struggled was not just a rookie quarterback, but the schedule was really tough. And there's a lot of reasons that Deonté Johnson's like a very easy pick to, I'd rather him, honestly, I'd probably rather just have Deontie Johnson and Mike Evans. You could get him around later. Yeah.

It's crazy to me, just thinking about it now, hyphen, when you're talking about that, It's crazy to me how impactful the schedule is in an NFL season. Like, some teams can just get fucked based on, like, the quarterbacks they're facing. Like, if you looked at the Saints schedule this season, they face like two established, like, high-end quarterbacks. Have we, wait, yeah, we got, I meant to do this when Craig was talking about a lavee. Can we just read the Saints schedule? Can you just read, can you just read this quarterbacks the Saints are playing this year? Yeah, actually, Adam Levitton from Establish the Run tweet about this.

This is the Saints schedule based on quarterbacks. Ryan Tannehill, Bryce Young, Jordan Love, Baker Mayfield, or Kyle Trash, Mack Jones, C.J. Stroud, rookie, Trevor Lawrence, this is probably the best one. Anthony Richardson, Justin Fields, Kirk Cousins, Desmond Ritter, Jared Gough, Bryce Young, another rookie, Daniel Jones, Matthew Stafford, God knows if he'll still be playing by then, Baker Mayfield again, and Desmond Ritter again. They're going to win like 12 games, and they might not even be good. The best quarterback, South.

Yeah, honestly, yeah. The best quarterbacks the Saints playing are what? So you said, Kirk Cousins, Jared Gough, or Daniel Jones? Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence. Yeah.

But that's insane. I mean, it's such a huge impact on the season. It's crazy. And I understand this is how the NFL works every year. It's like a small sample season. But this is how you figure out. Warren Sharp went on Bill's podcast. The week the schedule was released last year and said the Eagles

have the easiest schedule in the NFL. And the best bet you can make is the Eagles to win the NFC. He said that. And then they never played in the fourth quarter. And then they didn't even have to get to the fourth quarter because they were winning every game. And they rate 100 dropbacks at 17 games. So it's true, though. So we can dive more into the schedule later this summer.

But it's huge. So yeah, up on, I think up on the Steelers, up on the Saints, down on everyone else. Again, if you have to do like the prayer emoji for the receivers, just like, don't do it. All right. Any other email, any of your emails, before we get to emails, any of the receivers you guys want to hit? I'm sure there'll be more down the road that peak our interests or stress us out, but that's it for now. All right. So we've done quarterbacks, tight ends, receivers for a positional previews.

We're going to have running backs coming soon. Emails at ring and fantasy football at gmail.com. If you have other players you want us to discuss, we haven't hit, concepts, things between the positions. You have any questions you have. Anything you want to sit on this podcast, emails at ring of finis and email.com. More Cheetos. Talk. Yeah.

Cheetos talk. And then, yeah, also obviously weird crap, you can email us. And then check out fancy football.3.com. Rankings. All right. Emails. You ask for people to send us players who's your dad's or mom get their name wrong all the time. Because everyone's dad.

It's a good prompt. Yeah. D.K., your dad. Can you explain how you just have, you know, eventually just run out of space for you run out of RAM to keep people's names in. Yeah. Your memory just, memory is really fucked up after becoming a parent. Number one, I think it's just you're getting older. number two, you're sleep deprived.

Number three, I lost my train of thought because I'm old and I'm a dad. That's all. I was going to say he couldn't even think of number three because he's a dad. All right, so emails, wait, do you two have any you want to share before we get going here?

I said on the last one that my dad sometimes says Dax, press go. I don't know why I like that a lot. You're not alone. Shane actually emailed in to say my dad is a huge Cowboys fan. Names are not a specialty. And since the Cowboys drafted Zeke and Dak, my dad, about 75% of the time, just calls Dak, Zach.

Oh, that's good. He said, neither's to say I'm stoked that Zik got cut this off season. Angie emailed in to say, my dad is a lifelong, diehard Pittsburgh Steelers fan, who for 15 years called the quarterback Ben Rothenberger. 15 years of Ben Rothenberger. Rothenberger is kind of hard to pronounce. Let's be honest. James says my dad did, does, and will forever refer to former Steelers legend.

Troy Palomalu as Polly Wally Doodle all the day. No first name. Just Polly Wally. And he says it's both funny and extremely offensive. He's not even trying. No. But let's hear. That's a sad thing.

I was thinking the same thing. It's both funny and offensive. Yeah. Yeah. So definitely a mid-60s man, something they would do. Stanley, I honestly getting. an email from someone named Stanley who looked look they were in their mid-20s on Gmail was a fucking shock to the system.

Damn. I'm telling you, old names are coming back with the next generation, man. This was wild. Like Abigail is a pretty popular name now. Did Abigail go? I went to school with like three Abigail. That's Abby. Abby's not old.

I thought Abigail was kind of like an old-fashioned name. Maybe. It's no Gertrude. Gertrude is not coming back. Dolly? I can say Dolly coming back. Dolly? That's a good one.

Dolly's good. Or Dot. Shout out my grandma, Dolly. Dude. Cloy's box was definitely like Coyce, dude. Dot at one point in his life. What was his wife's name was Fern?

Fern. Oh, that's another one, dude. Fern. Furne. My girlfriend, Fern's coming over. Fern. I'm going on a date with a girl. Her name's Dot.

Fur's got a hot. Is Dodd show for Dorothy? is that? Yeah, I think it's Dorothy. You know, it's another one, Beverly. Ooh, Beverly. Yeah. I just had a baby girl. What'd you name her? Beverly. Is she Benjamin Button? We're offending some people right now.

I know. Listen, I know. If you have an, if you're named Dolly, like, you know that it's an old name. No one named Gertrude's offended that like, we know. You know what, though? Change the, change the, uh, the reputation. If you just named your daughter, Beverly, good on you. Maybe she'll reinvent the name. Beverly is a good name. If you call on someone, Polly Wally, that's offensive. That's no good. The only two Beverly's I know are my grandmother and my fiance's grandmother.

Dolly was my grandmother. Anyway. Dolly was your grandmother? Yeah. Really? Really? Really wrote in to say that my great aunt was Gertrude. My grandmother's name was Albina.

Oh, you know what's another good one? Albina. My other grandmother's name is Bonnie. Didn't hit you quite, it didn't hit you exactly like instantly there. Bonnie's coming back. I can feel it. Bonnie's a good name. Is Bonnie a nickname though?

Bonnie's got to be a nickname for something. Oh, what is Bonnie short for? I don't know if it's short for anything. It's like an Irish name. Bonnie. Bonnie. Oh, that's actually sick. Bonnie's a good name to come back.

Gertrude's not coming back. Bonnie's a good name though. Bonnie is a good name. Yeah. Bonita. Oh, that's cool. That's nice. That means beautiful.

in Spanish. I like when celebrities bring back like interesting names. Like to me like Margo everybody kind of thought was an older name and then Margo Robbie comes along and everyone's like never mind that name's cool.

What's um, well Jalen Jalen invented Jalen with Jalen's mom obviously. Jalen? Who are you talking about? He invented the name? Jalen Rose.

His mom. He was like the first Jalen. They haven't found like a document to Jalen before him. Is that right? If you, I mean literally, I mean literally made it literally first, but oh you didn't know.

So yeah, Jalen Rose, if you literally look at the popularity of the name Jalen from like U.S. Census data, it's like the FAB 5, it's at zero, and then the FAB 5 happens, and it literally just goes up. And all the NBA players and athletes named Jalen

now are just like, yeah, my mom named me after Jalen Rose. I'm producer, Kai just said, yeah, that Jalen Rose blocked him on Twitter. I love when celebrities blocked people on Twitter. Matthew Berry has blocked my brother for like a decade. Really?

What did your brother do to get blocked by Matthew? Ben Rothenberger has, who should I start? Matt Barry picked a player and he sucked and my brother was like, you're a fucking idiot. Talk shit. Wait, is this why you became a fantasy analyst? Your brother's just like, shit, I need someone to answer my questions. Maybe. That's my origin story.

I should say, I'm sure people are going to email me. I don't know if Craig's the youngest name in the world. I don't know any young Craig's. That's a good point. You're coming. I love how Craig gets ahead of the emails in every single show. Yeah. I know they're coming.

The pitchforks are out. I never read Stanley's Zee. email. Stan. The mob is just going after you. Stan's my dad's name. Wait, did you just put this together? No, it's just so funny. Not an athlete, but my mom and

aunts call Arnold Schwarzenegger Commando. That's fine. He was in a movie. The ninth movie that you'd think of him for. True. Yeah. Mitch emailed in to say my brother-in-law used to call Peyton Barber, Pablo Barber. And then I went to work. And then other people were also calling him Pablo Barber.

Pablo? Yeah. Like, remember Peyton Barber? He was like separate parts of his life. Like, Peyton Barber was called Pablo Barber by separate people that did not know each other. Why can't I remember who Peyton Barber was? The running back. Because you had a child and erased all the information.

Yeah, I only got so much room in there. Okay. Ashton says, my mom calls Vin Diesel, Van Diesel, and insists that he's the star of the ride films. Ride. Parents are the best, too. So close. Raphael said that

my girlfriend and her family are from Cleveland and they call LeBron James James LeBron because their aunt thought when he was drafted back in 2003 that he was French. He just thought it was James LeBron. That's pretty good. And then Brandon says, my dad says

kick a field gold instead of field goal. Kick a field gold. And he's like, but growing up, I thought that was normal. So I would say field gold. And then instead of telling me that this was wrong, my buddies just agreed to not correct me as long as they could because they thought it was hilarious.

And then I was going for years until in high school, I sat in front of my girlfriend at the time. And she was like, did you just say field gold? She's like, we're done. Yeah, that's the huge turn out. Emails at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com for phrases that you got wrong. And you didn't know for a long time. There was a funny thread on Twitter a couple of years ago that people think it's take it for granite, like the rock.

It's a Rick and Morty. Oh, yeah. It's an amazing. People definitely say it like that. Take it for granted. Did you just say for granted? Well, it's like for all intensive purposes. Right.

People think. Intensive purposes? Yes. For the purposes that are very intensive. That's pretty good. Yeah. I'm sure. do it. I think Bill's the king of that. Bill's never gotten the phrase, um, the whole is greater than the sum of the parts right.

It's just trips you up every time. We've all got a few. Yeah. Yeah. People say like, see the trees through the forest. Oh, I still can't get that. I don't even actually know what to say it is. See the forest through the trees. See the forest for the trees? I still, I know. No, I think you're missing the forest for the trees is like it's kind of like every time you guys are like, Kaderius Tony's amazing when he plays, those are the trees. And my forest is like, but he doesn't play. Yes. Like that's the forest. It doesn't play. You can't see the forest through the trees is the phrase, I believe.

I don't know, Craig. Hold on. That's definitely right, man. That's definitely it. No, it's you can't see the forest for the trees. That's what he said. You said through the trees. I did.

Oh, no, then you're definitely wrong. It's not through the trees? No. When I type in can't see the forest, the first two things that come up is for the trees and through the trees. Because the only people Google it are people who are wrong about it or people trying to prove their friends wrong. See the forest but for the trees? See, this is why it's so hard. The point is about seeing the difference between the two and the larger picture.

Miss the forest for the trees is how I always say it. As long as you say it in a way that communicates it, it's fine. You know what's one thing, a generational gap in phrasing, young people, hyphets, you can attempt. this. Let's see if you agree. Young people don't speak about time in, like, they don't say it's a quarter to six. A hundred percent. My mom does that and I'm like, just say the time. Why you got be all fancy about it? My dad will say it's 10 past five. I'm like, I don't know a person on this plan is under 30 who will not say five 10 who will say it's 10. Only people whose moms were like named Gertrude can say that. Like if you like it's so true, millennials don't say that at all.

They don't. Where did it come from? Why? Why? I don't know. Does it? I'd have to do a digital versus analog maybe. I don't know. Probably. It's a quarter past three. I'm like, just say, just say three. You had to do extra work to say that phrase. Just don't do that.

Oh, this is why I'm going to go at a quarter to eight. I'm like, what? What does that even mean? Why is it, you give me a riddle? This is why it also bugs me when people say Baker's dozen. I'm like, just say 13. Like, just say the number. Why do you have to make it so fucking complicated?

Why does the term doesn't exist? Why is there a word for 12? That's true. Just say 12. Because there's 12 eggs. It's more syllables. Say 12. I don't get it.

Oh, God. Why do we have a word for a dozen? It's true. It doesn't like a different language? Quarter to five. Craig, that's a good point. I think my grandparents used to say that. But that I can't remember anyone else saying that.

so true. It's like that's only people who actually hit under their desks in case of a nuclear attack actually say a quarter to five. Oh well at a quarter to two we have the nuclear bomb emergency training in class so. Oh man. Oh my god. Yeah meanwhile it's like the only people actually like you know have TikTok or people who did like active shooter drills in school. You know you can basically break up all the trends. It's truly the new generation like that's that's the separation. All right. We should we should get out of here. It's a quarter. too. Okay.

All right. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you. Everyone emailed us at RingerfancyFaFatball at Gmail.com.

And seriously, please email us at Rianfancyfootball at Gmadcom. Thank you, Kai, for producing this episode. Thank you, Lord.

Lord. Thank you, Blondie. Oh, my God. Oh, no, sorry. I was thinking of four non-blonds. I apologize.

Oh, that's a good one, too. What's going on? Four non-blond. Call me? It's just mean to blonde people. Four non blondie song. Is it? Call me.

That's probably one of the more famous ones. Oh my God. There's a scene in Letterkenny. Do you guys watch Letterton? Do you either Call Me or Heart of Glass, I would say, right? Underrated, Denny, Dennis. Check that one out. Don't know that one.

Check it out. Call Me is a hard song to sing like over a microphone on Zoom. It's too high pitched. Tell me! Yeah. Oh, that was good. I believe that song, I believe, don't quote me, was made for the movie American

Jigolo with Richard Gere in 1980. They made that song for that movie. Wow. That'd be a great, like, bar trivia thing. Songs that were made for movies that are actually popular. Some of the best songs were made for movies. The Bodyguard. Right.

No, no, no, no. Isn't that the one with Whitney Houston or I'm thinking of a different one? Oh, well, the song was written by Dolly Part No, 20 years before. Oh, never mind. Were all the Top Gun songs written for Top Gun or at least some of them? Like Kenny Loggin. Did they just employ Kenny Loggins? to write a bunch of songs.

This is what I always wonder. That's a good question. You're talking about Danger Zone? I bet you that was probably for Top Gun. There's a lot of songs in that song. Dude. In that movie that I just associate only with that movie, you know. Saturday Night Fever, all the BG

songs that we know and love are made for that movie. What? Wait, this is like I actually went way too like. Night Fever, more than a woman. All those songs are for Saturday Night Fever. Really? The Ring or Films has a music box documentary

called Mr. Saturday Night. It's about Robert Stigwood, Roger Stigwood. He's the producer, and he's the one who orchestrated that and got the Bee Gees to make an album for Saturday Night Fever.

Craig, do you know why the BeeGs were named the Beegis? Barry Gibb. Did he just, he just like hijacked the name of the band for the whole group? Yeah, he just kind of went ISO. Clear out.

If we had a band, we'd be the DKs. Right. Well, we kind of did that was d'anacy, but we had a guy didn't Craig. Yeah. Doesn't have quite the same ring as the C.Hs. All right.

Well, it's, yeah, it's a quarter past, and this was, you know, great C.H football podcast. So, thank you. Goodbye, everyone.