The Ringer NFL Show - 2026 NFL Draft 101: DK's Top-Five Mock, This Year's Jaxson Dart, Top WRs, and the Four Loko Era

Episode Date: January 30, 2026

The guys kick off their 2026 NFL Draft 101, breaking down why this class is light on quarterbacks, why Fernando Mendoza is still the likely no. 1 pick, and how the rest of the board stacks up behind him. They dive into DK’s top prospects like Caleb Downs and Arvell Reese, debate positional value, mock-draft chaos, quarterback tiers, and what teams should actually do in a weird, top-heavy draft class. (00:00) Intro (04:50) Panda Watch (24:39) Top Non-Quarterbacks (45:30) Top Receivers After Tate (49:31) Best Running Back (01:00:17) Craig Was on a Game Show (01:04:45) Emails Discord link: https://discord.gg/Ge8bbYHrau Check out the 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings: https://fantasyfootball.theringer.com/ Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady, Carlos Chiriboga, and Cameron Dinwiddie Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Huyter. Today I'm joined by Danny Kaly and Craig Rolbeck. And today we are going over your introduction, your 101 to the NFL draft. DK. Our draft expert here, your top 32 players, big board up at the ringer.com. You got your mock draft up at the ringer.com. We're to go through just introducing people to this year's draft. We have some emails at the end that are pretty funny. DK, what's the URL? Go.

Yeah. It changed this year, Craig. It changed this year, Craig. Damn it. Why'd you have to ask? It's okay because NFL draft. Dot the ringer.com. redirects there. Sure. That's the works. Okay. Well, that works. Um, I was looking at the ringer.com slash NFL dot dash draft backslash 2026 back slash 20 a big dashboard.

Okay. Yeah. Just go there. Yeah. And it'll be just go the rigor. It's a big button. I got that in push. Yeah. Uh, we're going to go through all this and also emails at the end. We found Craig's, um, extra appearance in that Emily Dickinson movie in the video and the, game show that Craig was on, which you couldn't remember the name. Some internet sleuths out here. doing work. Shout out to them on some important stuff. Yeah. Email us at Ringer Fantasy FootballGimel.com

and shout out to the people of Discord who immediately found Craig in all these movies. Can you guys find the Zodiac? That'd be cool. Get on that next. Okay. We're going to get to the draft. And again, we're covering the draft.

We're going to beat the Combine in Indianapolis in a few weeks. And, you know, after the Super Bowl, stick with us. We cover the draft offices and trades free agency, everything. Starting with D.K. The number one question on the minds of everybody with this draft. Let's just get to it. Does this year's draft, suck.

Yes. Okay, but I want you to tell me, is it like across the board, the top players at every position are weaker or is it just the sexy positions like quarterback, wide receiver, running back, edge rushers suck or is it just like bad across the board? No, I think it's mainly and particularly just there's not very many good quarterbacks in this class. We got Fernando Mendoza from Indiana who's almost surely going to go number one overall. And then we might not have another first round quarterback, honestly.

which is pretty rare, obviously. And a lot of times, drafts get judged by the level of talent at the top. But I think it's the quarterback situation. And it's a flattening after that where, you know, there's a bunch of really good players at non-premium positions. Caleb Downs is up there. And it's like, is he going to be a top 10 pick?

He's a safety. Caleb, yeah, sorry, safety. We've got Arvel Reese from Ohio State, who is kind of a tweener guy. He might, teams might be a little hesitant to pick a player like that, that early. Ruben Bain, who's gotten a ton of hype this year, but he has really short arms.

There's just a lot of butts. Yes. Sorry, yeah. It's the one away. I'm going to make you do that the entire show. Or probably just Google him. But yeah, I think it's at the top. It's not, there's not as many quote unquote blue chip players

as you might see in a typical class. But I do think it is, there's plenty of reason to be excited about, I think it's a good receiver class. I think there's some very interesting edge players in this class. There's some really rangy linebackers, Craig loves, ranger linebackers. So that's going to be exciting for him. Big rangy linebacker class.

I think the thing that almost sums up the class to me in some ways is the running back. The running backs are kind of top heavy. We've got Jeremiah Love who's so good that he's a top 10 pick probably or maybe the number one overall player on some team's boards just as talent. And the gap and the number two running back in the entire draft class might be Jeremiah Love's backup at Notre Dame. Right. Which I think highlights that.

it feels like that across a lot of spots where there's just, there is talent at the top, but the gap between that top tier and then there's just large gaps in, in certain positions. Quarterback is obviously the big one, but honestly a lot of the fantasy ones too. D.K., starting with, I want to talk about Mendoza,

which this is America's favorite off-season segment. D.K. do it. What am I doing? God, you're so rusty. You know what to do. What is America's favorite off-season? segment. I totally don't know what you're

blanking. What are you talking about? We're going to talk about the quarterbacks. Yeah, yeah. So, what is the segment where we talk about the quarterbacks? Nothing's coming to. What's your catchphrase every time we check in on quarterback? Yeah. We've been doing this for a couple years now. Like four years. Can you just say it? No, I can't remember.

We're not going to say it. It's based off one of our favorite most quotable movies. Hmm. It does ring a bell. And I'm completely blanking on what we're talking. Imagine you are hosting a local news channel. Oh, Panda Watch. There we go. Okay.

Okay. For the list. Panda Watch. There we go. Okay. Starting with Panda Watch. It's been a while, guys. I'm sorry.

We're going to check out on other quarterbacks like Paul Red checks in on Pandas. All right. From Anchorman. Because they haven't done anything since the last time we talked about him, but we have to talk about him anyway. Yeah. So, D.K., you're right. Fernando Mendoza is probably the only interesting quarterback in this draft,

But he's so interesting that he might, there might be enough conversation around Fernando Mendoza to fill up the next three months. Right. DK, your comp for him, you do great comps on the draft guide. A lot of them are kind of serious one-to-one NFL comps, and the other ones are pretty funny.

Like you have a guy from Miami whose comp is Jim Carrey and the cable guy. And for Fernando Mendoza, you have Flacco on the field, Russ on the mic in all caps. Can you explain that? So stylistically, he kind of reminds us. me to Joe Flacco, tall, kind of gangly looking guy, pretty good arm, good processor.

I'm guessing he'll probably have a long career in the NFL. But on the mic, man, he is like polished derogatory, just too polished, where it feels like, and this is something that Russell Wilson talked about forever when he was early in his career. Like his dad, Russell Wilson's dad trained him to be in press conferences when he was in middle school, legitimately like prepping him to be a politician someday. Fernando Mendoza has kind of the similar vibes where he he'll get asked a question on the field and then look directly at you in the camera and answer a question. And it's just like so polished and I don't know, it's just really funny.

I do genuinely really like Fernando Mendoza. In fact, he's the top guy on my board. But yeah, the interviews are a little bit tough. You have him as the best player in all in the entire draft. Yeah. Well, I think the quarterback thing also factors in there. I think if you're talking about pure talent, you might have. some other guys that are number one thing but you know with the importance of

quarterbacks that kind of pushes them over the top it's funny the quarterback having a LinkedIn that's genuinely updated is unbelievable and I don't know I assume LinkedIn at this point is smart enough to be paying him because Mendoza actually updated his little picture he got NIL from LinkedIn open to work with the hashtag but he actually I mean I he it's like actual filled out LinkedIn with all these like he actually has in quarterback University of Indiana in his experience. His teammates are, you know, like answering a little questions. Is he good at throwing?

He endorsed for itself. He's got like the skills on the bottom. It's like throwing. Yeah, his endorsements are like footwork, arm talent, PowerPoint. Powerpoint. Do you think, I don't know. Interviews. You comparing him to Russell Wilson on the mic is interesting to me because I feel like,

I feel like there is a natural authenticity to Mendoza. And even though it feels manicured, I don't. Do you kind of think that's just who he is? Yeah, but I think that's Russell Wilson, too, a little bit. See, I feel like if I were at dinner with Russ, he could be a completely different person. And if I've met dinner with Fernando Mendoza, this is exactly who he is.

That's fair. That, I think that's a good delineation. You know? I don't know. So does is going to ask the waiter's name and shake their hand. Yeah. Thank you for being. And he'll be like, these chicken tenders are too spicy or something.

You're like, yeah, okay, that makes sense. Russ, I don't know. Russ, I feel like, I actually have no idea who he is. I feel like I know exactly who Fernando Mendoza is. Maybe Kirk Cousins is a better answer here. I don't know. Do you think my favorite thing to do because I'm not, I'm not a college football expert.

I will act as the avatar for the average person who doesn't watch a ton of college football. My favorite thing to do is to make you compare this current class to the prior classes. Last year, the quarterbacks were Cam Ward, went one overall. You had Shador, Jackson Dart, you know, and then the year before that was a great class.

You had Jaden, Daniels, obviously Caleb Williams, Drake May. Michael Pennex, J.J. McCarthy. I want you quickly right now on the spot. Those eight guys, so look at the 2025 draft, which is Dart, Ward, and Shuck. Let's do those three. And then the 2024 class,

which is like your Caleb, you're May, your Daniels, and then McCarthy and Pennix. Where does Mendoza kind of rest in that group to you? Sorry, my dog is barking downstairs very loudly. The dog is like Jackson Dart is first. George. Shut it. I would put him, I think I would probably put him right around Cam Ward.

So Cam Ward was the number one quarterback last year. I probably would have Fernando Mendoza graded above Jackson Dart, Shuck, the other guys in that class. And then going back to 2024, that was the Caleb Williams class. Caleb, Jaden Daniels, Drake May. I would have those guys above. All three. All three. So it's kind of those three.

And then Mendoza is kind of in that next tier with Cam Ward. above guys like Shuck and DART and McCarthy and Pennix. Right. Okay. That's where, and I'm talking in terms of where I would have graded them pre-draft, obviously now with hindsight, you could kind of like move guys around. I probably have DART higher than I had him prior to the draft. You have DART first, Drake May 2nd, Jane Daniels third, Caleb Ford.

Yeah, yeah, sure, sure. But yeah, that was based on kind of like where I saw them coming into each draft. Hi, Fitz, do you feel like, did your opinion of Fernina Mendoza changed throughout the C. season. Like, did you go from this guy's a fun story to I actually think this guy is the number one pick in the draft? Yeah, I didn't really want to take him seriously. And then he just started playing well. I think that what separates me with Mendoza is that he played at his best against the best teams. And some of the games, they won in different kind of ways. Like, you know what I mean? The Ohio State, the Big Ten championship game, they beat Ohio State, who was probably the most

talented team in college football by a lot. And that was a completely different kind of game than the way they beat Oregon. But they basically, when they played NFL level competition, I think Indiana just kind of smashed all these other teams. And I think Mendoza, like, a ton of RPAs, I think as much Rappos as anyone in college football probably. But the pro-style traits are all there. Like, and I think it matters way more when you do against NFL level competition. But like Tom Brady, who's going to be making this pick for the Raiders, whether they say it or not,

Tom Brady's the person in charge of this. Tom Brady, like, when he lists the things he wants in a quarterback, the number one thing he says is like, can you throw a dig? You have the arm strength, the throw ball from the opposite hash to the sideline and beat the breaking speed of a cornerback because if you can, it's a pick six. Mendoza had some of the best throws of his season against Oregon, against NFL level competition. And he's just hitting far hash and a college football hash is further away.

He's throwing a 10-yard third and 10, but the ball's traveling like 45 yards in the air to get the 10 yards. And I'm like, Brady's going to watch that and love it. Brady's also going to love that Mendoza based his entire freaking game off Tom Brady. Because they're going to talk all the time about how he grew up a mile from Miami Stadium. Mendoza's from Boston or New England, the area. So he grew up a Patriots fan rooting for Brady. He's modeled himself off Brady.

But the arm strength, the mobility. like I think frankly like the grit I hate to say it but the freaking grit that like getting that touchdown in the championship game flipping grit flipping grit flipping go let's flip it dude we're flipping champs yeah it's corny I didn't want to like him but he ted lassoed me that's the way it's sim and I didn't want to like him he's too corny I'm better than this guy and I'm like you know what this guy's sick and I was being cynical and mean and he's actually awesome is it fair to say that he's like a higher floor, lower ceiling type first round pick. I feel like he is a more old school traditional quarterback prototype.

Big pocket passer, good arm, accurate. You look at the last few years. Matt Ryan, Ger Gough, Joe Flack. Exactly. Because it's like Kim Ward was kind of like had a freak arm talent, weird arm angle, stuff like that. The year before that, Caleb and Jane Daniels and Drake May are all completely different, more modern quarterbacks.

You had like Bryce Young and CJ Stroud. Would you say Mendoza D.K. is like a, He's not going to kill you, but he's not going to be the reason. He's probably not going to be like the MVP type. And he's more likely to settle into that like Matt Ryan, Kurt Cousins range. You didn't know, I guess Matt Ryan did win in MVP. Yeah. No, and I think, I mean, the ceiling is always just a funny question.

Like, what kind of ceiling do you have? If you're leading your team down the field with your arm, I think that's, that's plenty of ceiling. Obviously, I think in the modern game, we look at guys like Jane Daniels over the last couple of years, Jane Daniels, Caleb Williams. Drake May is like a great example. I mean, he's an MVP candidate because in a large part because what he can do with his legs. I mean, he's so dynamic when everything breaks down.

He can get out and run and really, really help his team. That's not really Mendoza, although I think he's athletic enough to kind of like scoot around and make plays and get first downs and things like that. But he's not a dual threat quarterback. I don't know. I think I just look at what he did in the college football playoffs. And I don't know if he's as talented as Joe Burrow, but like, he's not that different stylistically from Joe Burrow. So like, what are we talking about with ceiling here?

You know, I think he, Joe Burrow is known as like, I see cool, ice in his veins, you know, but he's not physically that impressive. He has accurate deep ball. He's not very fast anymore after he tore his ACL. So it's hard for me to talk about his ceiling when, you know, you got guys like Burrow who is like a similar body type to him. Is it amazing comp because as a personality, you would ever do it. even when he was in college, Burrow was just so cool.

But it's a similar story of that no one would have thought this guy would be a first-run pick, entering the season, and then he'd go undefeated national championship, first overall pick, Locke. But Burrow had the, you know, coming out senior night with his name spell with the EA, UX, like Burrow, and then like the cigar. And like Burrow was like the coolest college quarterback in like a decade. And then Mendoza is just not. But you're right, then he probably does kind of play.

He does play a little bit of Joe Burrow. I think the instructure, the pocket maneuvering with Burrow was elite. But Mendoza has good pocket mobility, too. It's like he's not fast, but he can navigate protection. I think, and when you look at the parallels of what they did in terms of leading their teams to national titles, winning the high. He's a Heisman winner who won the national title. There's only six guys, I think that were undefeated national champion Heisman winner number one pick. And it's like Joe Burrow, Cam Newton, Mendoza, and then like, you know, some dudes in Notre Dame in the 40s.

So I think, yeah. When you look at Burrow and Mendoza's college stats, it really is like, come out of nowhere pop that final year. Burrow, I mean, the two years at Ohio State didn't really play. And then his first year at LSU, he had 16 touchdowns. And the next year, he had 60. That team is just like, that team seems fake. And then Mendoza is like, you know, his last year at Cal, he had 16 touchdowns.

And then his first year at Indiana, he has 41. Like, it's just completely coming out of nowhere. Yeah. Okay. This is where you two can come in handy. because the rest of the quarterbacks in this draft, you know, I know these guys by name, saw a couple highlights. Right.

They were on at the bar on Saturdays. We can run through them. I'm curious to get your opinion on like, so, D.K., in your first big board, your mock, you don't have any quarterbacks going in the first round outside of Mendoza. Right. There's a list here of one, two, three, four, five, six. I'm going to go six guys.

And I want you guys to each give me who you think has the potential to be the, the Jackson Dart, or the Tyler Shuck of this year. So we have Ty Simpson, who's the Alabama quarterback. We have Carson Beck, who just lost in the national title on Miami. Garrett Nussmeier of LSU, Drew Aller, Penn State. Cade Clubnick from Clemson. And then, I don't know, do you want to add Diego Pavia?

Probably nominating the Senior Bowl right now. He measured it at 5'9 of the Senior Bowl, Craig. You know what's funny? And he was listed as 6 feet tall on his college profile. He's 5.9 and 7ths. So he's 510. And yet, he's going to drop a full round because it's five, nine, and seven, eights and not five, ten.

Diego Popper. I mean, yeah, and Dylan Gabriel started games this year. He was about the same height, ish. I know, but it's like, I'm not like ruling it out. But yeah, I mean, he's not, I would say I'm not taking him super seriously as an NFL quarterback right now. So let's start with Hyphitz this time. Hyphitz, who do you think has a chance to be the surprise quarterback hit?

I think the consensus number two guy is going to be Tyson. from Bama. I don't know how I feel because on one hand, he had a couple good months. He frankly, I think Ty Simpson's the face of like why a quarterback maybe shouldn't be so loyal in the NIL era because he actually did the I'm going to wait my term and then play at Bama and then he did. And now he's just like a, I think he's 22 and he's played 12 or 14 games or whatever. So it isn't that much experience. But he's old. Ty Simpson, if you went back to Alabama, I don't think he'd play. He's 23.

23. And if he went back to Bama, they have a 6-6 Justin Herbert clone who's going to play there. So I don't like that he's entering the draft because he couldn't go back to Bama. And they were playing Oklahoma in the college football opening round. And John Mateer, who's a quarterback at Oklahoma, who I love, he had thumb surgery in the middle of October. And I remember watching Bam, Oklahoma, and my intrusive thought when Bam was on offense was like, wait, which quarterback had surgery on their throwing hand this year? Like Ty Simpson, like, Chris Fowler during the game was like, I think Ty Simpson's brain is fried.

Oh, God. And I'm sitting here, like, we're seeing ghosts out there. We're sure that this guy's going to be the number two quarterback in this class. And I'm like, I watched Trinidad Chamblis at Ole Miss. And I'm like, I kind of. think he's the number two guy and everyone's afraid to say it because he was playing freaking division two division three football whatever before lane kiff and found him i watched trinidad i kind of just thought he was five nine apparently i guess he pretended to be six one i don't know

how really tall he is he's suing old miss to go back to school and my intrusive thought is that if he has to enter the draft i'm like part of me thinks tritad is better than dante more which i know is not true but i keep wondering about those two guys is he is he is he so he's listed at six one which doesn't seem right. Is he, is he 5.9? What was he listed in college? Six foot. Yeah, I don't know. But I don't know. I keep wondering. If Shambliss goes back to school, I don't know. We'll see. But I don't love any of these guys, but I don't love Jackson's art as obviously he's incredible now. But I don't know, D.K., if there was a guy that Tyler Shuck also was a late second or early second rounder that ended up clearly as a starting quarterback now, I think for the Saints at least next year. D.K., you've always like

Garrett Nussmeyer at L.S. I have. He's, I think he's, it's him and Simpson to me that are going to be the guys during this process that probably get pushed up. And then we'll see what happens with Trinidad, uh, Chambliss in terms of whether he actually gets into the draft or not or is forced into the draft because he's trying to go back. Modern college football is quarterback suing to go back to. He's suing to make more money. He's suing them. He'll make more money.

I get it, man. Never leave. Yeah. Yeah. It's like Van Wilder. Um, don't we all wish we could sue to go back to college? I would kill. I think it's such a funny class because Ty Simpson, I, he graduated before he started a game for

Alabama and he's already 23 years old. He's 23 with one year of starting experience and he has 15 total starts. I mean, in his college career. That's kind of all I need to hear. Yeah. I, I don't. I don't. But yeah. Also people are going to talk him up during this process, Craig, because as a as you know, processing, he's like relatively polished, especially for a guy with that few of starts in the in his career. He's relatively polished. Like you see him make, you know, NFL style throws. His footwork is pretty good. Most of the. He's, the time when he plays on balance. And I think the same, you could, it's, you could say a lot of the similar things about

Garrett Nussmeyer. He, his dad is a coach in the NFL, all that stuff with pedigree and, and grew up as a coach's son, blah, blah, blah. I think teams will like that. He's going to be more, I think, ready for some of the mental stuff that comes with going into the NFL in terms of like he just kind of knows what to expect because his dad is literally a coach in the NFL. And not only that, I mean, he's a quarterback's coach.

And he was the quarterback's coach for Dallas under Mike McCarthy. There we go. So, yeah. So I think to me, Nussmeyer is the most interesting one. I mean, I think Ty Simpson will probably be the quarterback too. He has a chance to go in the first round.

But in terms of supply demand thing. It's like someone's going to talk to 100%. But I think Nussmeyer would be the other guy that I'm probably most interested in. Both him and Simpson, a little bit smaller. I think Nussmire, what I've seen is listed at like 6-1-205-ish. Well,

he was at the senior ball. What was his measure at the senior bowl? But it wasn't Nussmeier, like last year, people thought Nussmeier was going to be a top five pick in the draft. Nussmire was a guy that I think in September of like last year people were wondering, yeah, if he would be a top five pick. Absolutely. Like he may, oh, would it be him or Cam Ward? Like, maybe he would come out. And then he just hasn't played as well ever since then. And he ended up going back to school. You got hurt. Yeah. I mean, there's, yeah, you got hurt. I mean, I think he was benched during Bama. Like, he didn't play very well versus Bama, which you don't, like, again, I think you're disproportionately waiting games versus better competition. It's not good that LSU played Bama and they benched Garrett, Meier like that's not ideal um i i don't know man all these quarterbacks are flawed it's weird you're trying to be open mine it's easy to like the truth is it's easy to poke holes in all these

guys like diego pavia's fucking five nine k club nick at clemson just doesn't have really special trades like carson back i i don't like him personally uh like i don't like i don't care for joe i've seen too many of his snapchats of him i don't know how many different snapchats have to be like come across my timeline till i'm like i don't know about this guy so it's easy to poke holes but i think you want to be more open-minded but sims it'll go late first. We'll see. It's a weird class.

If I had to sort of predict what will happen with this class is Mendoza will go first overall. Simpson will be on that round one to sort of tier or whatever. He might go late round one if someone wants to take a chance on him, get that 50 or option or whatever, but probably round two. And then you get like Nussmeyer and whoever else, all these other guys that we've mentioned, probably third round, ish or more. And then, but I bet we'll see, I bet we'll see Nussmeyer. start a game in like two or three years. You know what I mean? Just because that's kind of just like the development

arc I could see for him. It's kind of like that year where we had Pickett come in and Malik Willis and some of these other guys that eventually did end up on the field. But yeah, that would probably be how I predict what happens here. I don't think either. I think outside Mendoza, you got no day one starters. The only guy we haven't really mentioned is Drew Aller, the Penn State quarterback, who broke his ankle and missed

a lot of the year. Drew Eller, I remember last year watching the college football playoff. I think it was Penn State Notre Dame. Did they lose the Notre Dame? And he didn't play great, but I remember going into that. It was like, this guy's a freak.

He's 6-5, cannon arm, weirdly mobile for his size. Like the highlights of him, like the highs for Drew Aller, if you just watch the highlights of him, the dude looks incredible. But then I know under the hood, it's like the footworks a mess and there's a lot going on there. But I remember last year being like, oh, the Steelers are going to bottom out

and they're going to have a top 10 pick in the draft, and I want Drew Aller. And the Penn State season went completely down the drain this year. And Penn State does not have a great track record at quarterback, Kerry Collins. It's not much outside of that. D.K., what is your initial read on Aller? And do you think there's any chance someone talks themselves into his freak traits, $6.5.40 cannon arm.

Of course, of course. Again, he'll probably go like third, fourth round or something like that. But, yeah, I mean, this is a guy with really great tools that just need to be developed. And so my guess is he'll sit behind somebody for a year or two and then see how it goes, see if he can get onto the field. But, but yeah, I mean, he was a five star guy. Like he said, six, five, big guy with good athleticism, good arm. Somebody's going to want to come, like, bring that in and try and develop that. I tell you, you, you watch like a three, five minute montage of the best drew aller throws and you're like, this should be the number one pick of the draft.

It kind of reminds me of like Joe Milton a little bit where you're betting on sort of the traits, but the floor is like terrible. But the later you get in the draft, when you're in the fourth, fifth round, right, the risk reward becomes higher. All right, should we move on to, I feel like we should talk about your top five picks in the draft, and I want you to kind of go through them

and just introduce them to people who don't necessarily know who they are. Not saying that's me, but for all the people out there who don't know who. Theoretically, if someone needed to be introduced. Yeah, like if there was a guy out there named Keldrick Falk, and like I wanted to know who that was. was that would be helpful so yeah yeah i can you give us so you have mendoza one so we can skip past him

you have him going to the raiders number two arvel reese to the jets well hold on we got that's my mock draft my my big board my big board is okay big board is Caleb downs is number two but rvel reese is number three so philadelphia draft that the ringer dot com yeah okay yeah so let's do let's do Caleb downs hivis this is your favorite player in the draft i love Caleb downs i i just I love Caleb Downs. It's, he reminds me in a way of Kyle Hamilton where during college football season, everyone's like he's the best player in college football, the best defender. And then you go into the draft and everyone's like, what, you can't take him because he's a safety.

And you're like, oh, that's weird. Okay. So who's the best player in the draft? You know, like probably Kyle Hamilton, but you can't take him though. You're like, oh, okay. And then the draft ends. And the Ravens get him. He's essential to the Ravens defense.

And like maybe defensive player the year. Who knows? And that reminds me to Caleb Downs. People are like, including me. I'm like the Giants of five. I'm like, I would take Caleb Downs, but I'm probably. get a right tackle though. But he's just,

Caleb Downs been the best defender of culture football for two years. And there's so much about, he's Josh Downs' brother, first of all. He's Josh Downs, his younger brother. His uncle is Dre Bligh, who, if you know,

you know, he was like a 95 cornerback in Madden 20 years ago. I just think Caleb Downs is the smartest and most talented and most versatile safety. Like, I'm stealing a line from Nick Barmgarner at the athletic who called Caleb Downs somewhere between Ed Reed and Brian Branch, which I think is actually pretty perfect.

I think the first person I thought it was Brian Branch, but Caleb Downs is more athletic and sort of more juice as an athlete. The IQ. He's the smartest and most prepared defensive. I just, I don't know. I can't see enough about him about him. The simplest way to talk about Caleb Downs, and I will wax poetic about it,

but he was, he went to Bama to play for Nick Saban, who's obviously the defensive backs guy. And Caleb Downs was the first freshman to ever lead Alabama in tackles as a freshman. and then Nick Saban retires and Caleb Downs is like, well, I didn't come to play for not Nick Saban. So he transfers to Ohio State.

And that's the year they win the national championship. So that Ohio State team that won the championship sent 14 guys to the NFL draft last year. And they're sending another, what, 10 this year? Like six of the first rounders this year going to be Ohio State. So ridiculously talented team that Caleb Downs went to last year. You know who called the coin toss for the national champions? Before the game?

Fucking Caleb Downs before Notre Dame. He had transferred there. Like he had been there for like one. one off season and he's calling the coin toss. Do you know how much respect you have to get? Like the leadership, it's all the intangibles. Like that's data. It's not treated as data,

but that is like the team saw every play from every player. And they're like, he's calling the coin toss today. I just on top of all the tape where everyone's going to tell you he's the best safety by far. So I love Caleb Downs. No one knows where he's going to go because he's a safety. But I,

he's my favorite player in the draft. It's so interesting because he's a safety, but he's also, you know, he's a do it all kind of defense. defender. Like he blitzes. He covers. He can defend the run. He's very instinctive. He's, his, you know, he's always around the ball. He has like a stat. He just fills up the stat sheet because he just has these incredible instincts. He's such a good athlete. He plays with anticipation. So I was going to say he's a safety, but like he's really like a nickelback.

He can come in and play in the box like a linebacker. He can play upon the line as a blitzer. He can do kind of a lot of different things. So it is just one of those questions of how much the NFL is going to take into account that this is a less valuable position, gets paid less than some of these other, like, edge or tackle or whatever, and try and decide whether they think it's worth going up that high. I remember the Seahawks took Devin Witherspoon a few years ago at, I think it was sixth overall. And I'm like, just take, like, who cares? Take him top 10. I mean, Devin Willerspoon is a nickel. He's basically doing the same thing Downs can do in the NFL. Guess what? Devin Witherspoon is the embodiment of how the Seattle Seahawks play football.

Like Mike Sean Dugger had a great, on Jackson Bevin's pod, the cigar thoughts covering the Seahawks. And Mike Schoen Dugherst, just wrote a book about Legion of Boom and he covers the Seahawks every day for the athletic. And he was saying that if you want to understand how Mike McDonald wants the Seahawks to play football, you watch Devin Witherspoon play. And he's the embodiment of everything. And in theory on paper, it's not a valuable position. Sure, that doesn't, that's stupid.

That doesn't mean anything. It's like that was the conventional wisdom. But in reality, he, like, modern nickel cornerbacks is basically just. me and you're the guy covering the slot receiver, you're the bridge between past defense and run defense and the ability to do both is everything. Caleb, it's not valuable in terms of payment and everything. It's there are the top end pay of a salary of a, of a position is not necessarily indicative of how valuable the position is. Like that's just true. Quarterbacks are worth more. Like some positions are probably worth less. Defense to tackle, safeties are not paid as much

as they're actually worth. And it's also doesn't account for supply and demand. And this, defense to tackle, same thing. But I'm like, you can't find players like Caleb Downs all the time. And like, that's an interesting thing we'll get into, I'm sure over the course of the next few months too, which is edge rushers get paid more if they're really good and get sacks. But there's a lot of edge rushers in this draft. How many other good players? I don't know. It's an interesting thing. But there's also just more variance with a lot of these other positions.

There's so much more variance with tackle. You know what I mean? This guy might totally just suck at the NFL level. So think about how many top 10 tackle picks they've been taken because they have a lot of potential or they have good athleticism and just need to be like clean up their footwork or whatever. Downs is safer. Yes, I think he's safer as a higher floor. It's like, you don't, you can't, you can't win your draft in the first round, but you can lose it.

Yeah, Caleb. He's going to make your secondary better if you take Caleb down. So, I mean, here's my question for you, D.K. Yeah. I want to ask you about Arvill Reese, because I don't know how I feel about him. Like, he's, your comparison to me to the draft guy is Jehad Campbell. And, you know, also people compare. I think you've also talked to me about he's kind of like Zach Bond, where the idea

if he's a linebacker who can be an edge rusher, he's an edge rusher, he can be a linebacker can go back. He's a very modern player. And I don't know how I feel about him because I think if Arvel Reese went to the Seattle Seahawks, he actually would win defensive player of the year before his rookie contract because he's the embodiment of modern defense. He can be anything. I also kind of feel like if Arvel Reese goes to the Jets and Aaron Glenn doesn't have a vision for him, Aaron Glenn will be fired before Thanksgiving. Yeah. And so do you think Arvel Reese? And you do have him going to the Jets second overall. RIP Aaron. I don't know. But is he like the highest ceiling player, but like also probably a lower floor than usually happens for a player who could go that high.

So I think last year I had Jehad Campbell in my top 10 and he ended up playing mostly off the ball if I'm correct this year. He like he he he's the type of player Jehad Campbell and R. Vell Reese where you kind of have to project where they're going to play at the next level before you can really figure out what their what their overall value is. I think Reese has the skill set to play on the edge as a as a dedicated pass rusher. And I don't I you know, you never want to. to like compare anybody to um micha parsons but like it's kind of the same question same same discussion we were having with him coming out is like is he going to play off the ball or is he going to be

on the edge or both jalen walker last year um for the for the for the falcons is kind of the same guy but but but reese is way longer and and bigger and more explosive i think so um what i'm getting to is basically this can be the type of player quote unquote tweener where the NFL can screw it up but i just think Reese has such a high ceiling because he's such a loose springy explosive athlete. He, he's just scratching the surface of what he can do as an edge rusher, but he can also play off the ball. He's only 20 years old. So there's a ton of development arc there for him.

He's just, he's just a really, really exciting player to watch. He's a monster. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, I think, think Jalen Walker slash Jihad Campbell. And it just kind of depends on how they deploy him in the NFL. well, but I think he has a higher ceiling than both of those guys, just because he's longer and more athletic. So you have Mendoza going one to the Raiders.

You have Arville Reese going number two to the Jets. The Cardinals have the third pick in the draft. They don't have the head coach. I don't know if they have a quarterback. It's probably going to be Clint Kubiak, by the way. Cardinals are raiders. What a bummer. You get him for one year.

I know. Oh, the bummer. They went with the Super Bowl. Shut the fuck up. What are you talking about? It's a bummer for them. Thank you, Craig. They're going to be sad.

I'm going to ignore. I'm going to ignore high fits. And thank you, Craig. You have the Super Bowl, he'd get older. I'll survive. The Cardinals are the third pick. You have them taking an offensive tackle out of Miami, whose last name I can't pronounce.

Can you do that for me? Mauioga, I believe. Francis Malioga? Yeah, I could. I mean, obviously, I could be messing that up. But he is just an ass game. How good is he on the tackle scale? Is he like freak all-time tackle or just pretty good?

I would not say freak all-time. I think there's questions of his length. This is, I feel like it's going to be a broken record during this. is there's one question about it. Is he is he long enough to be a tackle? Is he have a foot speed to be a tackle? Some teams might see him as a guard. Spencer Fenno from Utah is,

is another tackle that's potentially going to be the top guy taking. He's, he mainly played at the right side at Utah. So that kind of throws into question whether he's worth the top five, top 10 pick. I put Mauioga up top just because he's an ass kicker. He just plays so physical, tough. dependable. I think he's got a really good feel for blocking and sense like you see him so many times where at the snap, if he doesn't immediately get someone threatening the high side, he'll like pinch down and help the guy out a little bit before he kind of picks up another guy's looping around. He just has a really good feel for blocking and where he should be in positioning. Um, and he's really battle tested. He's, you know, a big, really, like, well built guy, um, in terms of his physical stature. And so I just, I think he's got a really, really high floor. I think the problem is,

some people might some teams may not see them as like a tackle at the next level is this a good o line class is there are i think so deep i think so i think there's there's some really exciting defensive tackles there's some really exciting offensive linemen and there's a lot of edge players in this class so yeah i think this is a great class for yeah trenches defensive line defense tackles offensive tackles if you need to eat your vegetables and then there's also like weird bespoke things that you need to eat like running backs their safeties and stuff right quarterback you're kind of out of lucky you're not the raiders uh uh dk you mentioned defensive tackles.

I kind of just want to ask you, you compared Peter Woods, the Clemson guy, to Shia Lude, the worm from dude. Yeah, this was just so I can get Craig to do this. Shai Hulud. Shai Lude. It's the greatest video of all time. Your friendly, I rackus sandworm.

They call them Moodieb. Moodieb. Your little desert mouse. The Beneges are nasty women. Nasty women. Trying to wage a holy war. Yeah, no, I, the, So he's the he's the dune worm.

Yeah. I also threw in like, take him first, a gratuitous like he's attracted. Definitely draft the dune worm. And of course, you have the fucking dune worm going to the chiefs. Great.

Great. Real original. Craig, he's attracted to the rhythmic drop back steps of the quarterback. That was, I felt like that was my, yeah, that was the best part.

He's an interesting one because coming into the season, I think a lot of people had him as one of the top players in this class. And then him along with a lot of the player the defensive players on Clemson did not have a very good season. And so he's dropped off a bit. There's I think question marks of just like effort and everything and mailing it in this last season. But he's really explosive. Kind of just like a rotund, wide bodied explosive guy in the middle of the field with really good twitch, really good lateral agility.

Has a ton of upside as a pass rusher. But there's just questions over why. the production fell off this last season. All right, D.K., so your fourth pick in the draft, where I'm on your top five in the mock. You have Keldrick Falk, a man, like I said earlier, I don't know who that is, going to the Titans. Right.

Is there anything that I should know about this man? He reminds me of Trayvon Walker from a couple of years ago, who ended up going first overall to the Jags. Who kind of worked out, slow burn. He's been good. And I think this is kind of what you were talking about with Falk, where it's, you see the measurables. he's this big, long, really powerful player who the production doesn't quite meet all the attributes.

He's a young player. He's still ascending. I think the NFL is going to look at this guy and be like, man, we can turn him into a monster. But there's going to be a lot of question marks throughout the draft process of like, okay, well, why didn't we see more production in college? Why is the Twitch not quite there in terms of his get off at the snap, things like that? But he is a big, physical, you know, prototypical defensive end type of guy in terms of. of his athletic traits. And so I think he's the type of player probably get pushed up just because

of what the upside is there. But I think there's going to be, again, the question marks are going to be like, okay, so why didn't the production happen in college kind of deal? I just thought of a new test. It's the Kurtzignetti test, which is could this guy play for Indiana next year? And what I mean by that is the whole like Kurtzegetti doesn't recruit potential. He recruits production. It doesn't have to be counting stats, but just do you win reps? Or is there a feeling you could win reps in the future. And part of me is like if Kurt Signetti for next year's Indiana team could pick between like David Bailey or Kedrick Fault, he would pick David Bailey. Yes. And part of me, I don't know, I kind of just want to do a signetti test sometimes like guys because it's like, it's not going to

be good. Yeah, it is a that is a good, I think example because I actually have Bailey ranked higher than Falk, but I think people in the NFL are going to look at Falk could be like, man, what could be he could be. He could be a boat. I love the old school like, was he good in college? I'll take Kim. Right. And that's, I mean, look, a couple of years ago, it was Aiden Hutchinson versus Trayvon Walker. Yes. And everyone was like, Aidan Hutchinson was one of the most productive motherfuckers in college. And why is he not going above Trayvon Walker? But his arms are short. Trayvon Walker's arms were really long. Turns out, Aidan Hutchinson, pretty good pick for the Lions. And I would say far, far superior production in the NFL. So, you know, but there are examples of the inverse on that where the guy who's in college. not a ton of production, but lots of traits ends up being a total monster at the next level.

So I think you could pick out examples of both arguments there. And okay, so now I want to talk about the Giants at five because I've seen your mock. A lot of mocks are giving the Giants a wide receiver. Do you agree with that Hyvitz? They just spent the six overall pick on Malik neighbors two years ago. You want to spend the fifth overall pick on another wide receiver? No, I hate it. I'm sorry, D.K., it's not you.

It's everybody that's giving the Giants receiver at this pick, and it makes me want to tear my hair out. I don't really understand it. It's just cool. It's just cool to do because you could be like Jackson Dart with Lake neighbors and Carlisle Tate and like that is awesome. It would be sick and I would talk myself into it in seven seconds. It's like, well, this is the greatest thing that's ever happened.

But I've been really confused that the mock industrial complex is like Giants the receiver. I'm like the Giants did a right fucking tackle. Like the offense line's fine, but like Jermaine Eleanor is an officer. I don't know. I want to write tackle. Also, Andrew Thomas, the left tackle. Kind of gets hurt a lot. I'm like, I want to tackle for Jackson Dart.

And if we can't get that like edge. I get why the Giants might not take it, David Bailey. because they just have Abdul Carter, they have Brian Burns, you know, Tibido, if you need, Lee's. I want Caleb Downs here, or honestly, I want, I want, like, Spencer Fano, the tackle from Utah, or like, if Mariooga is here at Miami, like, I, you have to eat your vegetables. I do think. It's interesting coming from a guy who had an aneurysom because they let little Jordan Humphrey go to the Broncos.

Well, yeah, but that's my point, though, is that, like, Jordan, like, why, in all seriousness, when was the last time a number, is Carnell tape better than, like, neighbors? No. So when was the last time a number two receiver was taken in the top five of the draft? It just feels like... This is Devante Smith. He was like six or seven. But yeah, it's fair.

He was 12th. But like T. or 10th, the Eagles flip, jumped the Giants for it. But like T. Higgins is great. He was the 33rd pick, I think. I just, it's nothing to do with, it's nothing to do with everyone thinks this. I'm probably wrong.

I just look at it like supply and demand. There's a lot of great number two receivers. I was looking at this like, this is the best available player. Yeah. And it's going to help his quarterback. I agree. No, with hyphen, Wondell Robinson had a thousand yards. He was the top receiver for this team last year.

We can't guarantee 100% that Malik neighbors will be back fully healthy next year. No, I know. And that's fair. I just like, if you want Jackson's dark to pretend. And it's not you. It's just like the Ravens, when the only time they ever had a top 10 pick, I think, with John Harbaugh, they took Ronnie Stanley. And I'm like, I would like a Romney Stanley.

I would like a tackle for 10 years. That's just the way. Like, you shouldn't be here again. I'm tired of being here. I'd like to leave with an offensive lineman. Yeah. Could the Giants have the 37th pick as well? It's like, take a receiver then.

Although, I don't know. Maybe you take Carnell Tate in the fifth overall, and then you see the two of them on the field together in training camp, and you get excited. I don't know. Maybe. The Ringer Fantasy Football Show is brought you by Fandall. It's the last call for football on Fandall. One final Sunday, one last kickoff, the final chance to place your bets before the NFL season closes its tab.

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of its CCPG.org slash chat in Connecticut. TK, I want to talk a little bit about some wide receivers, but before we move off Carnal Tate, the guy we just argued about, your comp for him is Tony Hawk's pro skater. Right. Do you remember the game? Did you play that game? Or do you remember the skateboarder, the real person? I'm familiar with Tony Hawk as a human and I did play the game as well.

Nice. Basically, he's tall, kind of gangly. Colonel Tate is tall, kind of gangly. Also, Tony Hawk, tall, kind of gangly. has a weird, almost unnatural ability to twist and turn and contort in the air and land on his feet. So I kept watching Carnal Tate like catch these back shoulders spinning pirouette catches in the end zone. And I was like, man, it looks like he's doing like a 1080 on the half pipe, Tony Hawk style. So and also I just wanted to throw a shout out to Tony Hawk Pro Skater, great game.

Which was your favorite one? The first one? I don't know. How many did they have? What was the one where you could build the half pipes and you could like build your own skate pork. It was kind of like before Halo did. I never did it that far. I played the first one religiously and that was dude. Whatever the Tony Hawk one is where you meet Bam Marjira in Barcelona and you're like skating ground Barcelona and then you can build your own half pipes. That was

like that was revolutionary. The music on Tony Hawk's pro skater. Linkin park right? Yeah. I think I played pro skater three the most and maybe underground two. But I do remember those early days. I remember playing Madden and Tony Hawk and like the early odds. The soundtracks were so good. Oh, yeah. I remember that song, The Ace of Spades, the Ace of Spades. Do you remember that song?

No. Bang. I think that song's very famous. I probably was exposed to Lincoln. It's Motorhead. It's on through Tony Park, Tony Hawk's games. Yeah, it's Motorhead.

Anyway, what's Tony Hawk up to? He's still just chilling. He's still kind of skating. Do you think we can get him on the show? Maybe. And evaluate Carnal Tates tape? Yeah. Speaking of Cardinal Tate,

every time he scores a touchdown, Gus Johnson would be like, Garnell Tate's home run hitter. It's pretty great. Tater from Tate. Tate is sick. He's, when you guys... Giant should take him, actually.

They should take him. He'd be great for a young quarterback. Wow, all these songs are not coming back to me. What are they? Well, I'm trying to find the names of these songs. Oh, yeah. Dell the Funky Homo Sapien, if you must was on whatever Tony Hawk Pro skater I played.

Man. Good songs. There was some Superman by Goldfinger is the one that really comes to my mind first. Here I am. Do do do do do. Just like takes me back there. Mel and Colin, no cigar. Some great ones.

Okay. Other wide receivers to talk about, it's a good wide receiver class, D.K., can you break down? We have guys like Jordan Tyson. We have Mackay Lemon. Would you say this is an above average, you know, top tier of wide receivers? Or would you say it's just okay? I think it's a good class.

I think there's a handful of really good players. I have, I think, seven guys in my top 32 right now. That's a lot. Or six? No, six. So, yeah, I mean, I think it's a very good class. I would not say it's like a super elite class because, like you said, the Carnal Tate thing, he's probably a number two receiver at the next level,

though he could be number one. Mackay Lemon, a little bit undersized, but super explosive. super twitchy in the short area, run after the catch. A lot of people have like... You have your best guys in number two receiver in the NFL, which means all of these other receivers. None of them, in your opinion, are number ones. I don't think there's anybody to the level of,

you know, kind of like a neighbor's thing where he's going to be a true number one superstar receiver, like Jamar Chase type of player. But you have a lot of really good, yeah, like number two type players. So I would say it's a good class, not a great class. But there's plenty of players in this class. that I really like. Mackay Lemon from USC.

I think he won the bulletinikoff. I've seen people compare him to Steve Smith, Sr., which came to my mind. I come to him to Doug Baldwin because of what he does in the air. He just catches, passes that he has no business catching. He'll go up high, you know, in traffic. There's two guys around him,

and he'll pull it down and somehow land and catch the ball, run after the catch. He's really, twitchy kind of turns into a running back after the catch. Going down, list here. Jordan Tyson from Arizona State. He's a twitchy athlete, big guy. I comped him to Christian Watson type of player where big plays down the field, big frame kind of deal. Kevin or Casey Concepcion from Texas A&M, super fun player. My comp for him is Khalil Shakir in terms of just

really good body control, make some incredible catches, run after the catch, big time playmaker. He played on the outside a lot, though, this last year. So I think he kind of answered some questions, whether he's just a slot only. This is interesting because, like, you're talking about these guys and you're comparing them to like Khalil Shakir, Christian Watson. I'm like, Doug Baldwin. All right. That doesn't get you gone. I don't know.

These are first round picks. I mean, even I. So Baldwin was undrafted. Yeah, but what did he do in the NFL? He had a thousand yards his first season. Yeah, but if you knew you were getting Doug Baldwin, would you draft him in? the first round? Yeah.

You think so? Oh, yeah, 100%. Oh, I don't, I don't know if you knew you were getting Doug Baldwin's crowd. I don't know. I don't know. First round. You wouldn't take him at all in the first round. Have you seen some of the dog shit players come out of the first round? I don't think I would.

I think that's too low of a ceiling. I don't think it would either. You kidding me? No. Doug Baldwin? Doug Baldwin was like a solid receiver. He had three seasons. He had two seasons over 1,000 yards.

He had 14 touchdowns in 2015. No, two 1,000 yard seasons. I'm not taking that. And another 900 yards. season. He had 6,000 yards in his career. No. I don't know. I would take that in the first round. You have Seahawks bias. You like him. Yeah. Jackson Smith and Jigba also went in the first round. And he had more yards than Doug Ball would than like his first three years combined this year. Okay. If you guys don't want to take him in the first round, go for it. I wouldn't take.

I wouldn't take Kalil Shakir, Christian Watson. You guys can take some rando guy in the first round. But this comes back to whether we think this class sucks or if we're just nostalgic for 2027 or if it's NIL because the receiver is probably one of the deeper ones, but we're saying they're all number two's. Yeah, I mean, you have Denzel Boston, another guy from Washington. Your comp to him is Cortland Sutton. Again, good player. Don't know if I would take that in the first round. I think I think the other thing that's happening here, Craig, is I try not to compare these players to the greatest people at each of their respective positions every year. Trying to be a little bit realistic. I'm sorry that I'm not getting y'all jacked up here, but there's only one sandworm.

Yeah. I think let's be realistic that not all these guys are going to turn into 10-year all pros all right well speaking of jeremiah love the running back out of nonderdame who is believed to be one of the better running backs in a while right and yet your comp is travis etienne which gives me the that's fair have you ever looked at travis etienne's stats from college yeah i know he was very good but unfortunately i have thought about the last four years he's been in the NFL um you didn't think he was that good this year again the you of him is eight he has three out of his four seasons he went over a thousand yards. Okay, but I don't know if Travis E.TN based on what I've seen of him the last three, four years is the eighth pick in the NFL draft. Yeah. I don't think, I think the Jeremiah

I love hype has probably gotten a little out of hand. People are- Kiper compared Jeremiah I love to Reggie Bush, which stopped me in my fucking tracks. I can't get there. He's on the list of people you shouldn't compare anyone to it. Is this like a classic? There's no one else. So we just end up hyping up the person who's at the top? No, I think he's good. I think he's a very good player. He's an explosive, you know, dual threat. He's good in the passing game he's a very good player but he's not on the level of some of these elite running backs that i in my opinion you know like the bejohn and sayquan jim and gibbs and some of these guys that have come out over the last couple years i would not put him on that tier i i will say i kind of get how the reggie bush

thing gets evoked because jeremy i love hurdles people a lot and he does spin moves a lot and the receiving is unbelievable like the hands he's like this one-handed catch that was pretty amazing and um i think he has the size of to run in between the tackles. I mean, it's kind of thin. He's like, I don't know what height anyone is until they go to the combine. I don't, I, I, generally, he's not, he's not a power running back, I would say.

No, but he can run between the tackles, but I, I, I do think Jeremiah Love is like a special player. I think, can we play a fun game? Sure. DK., you do our draft guides here at the rear and also you do draft grades after the draft ends. Can we play a game called, when will you give someone an A for taking Jeremiah Love? So, like, the draft grade, so like the Raiders took him first.

they would get an F, right? Because they've jetty. Okay. Can you imagine, though, kind of a one-two punch? It's like Bowers, you have Bowers and Michael Mayer and then you have like Jeremiah my love and Genty. That'd be kind of cool. Desmond Ritter handing off to either one.

You don't know which one. That'd be cool. Like the Jets shouldn't take a running back. The Cardinals shouldn't take a running back. The Titans, the Giants, the Browns. When do you, when does a team take Jeremiah Love? Like the Saints at 8, the Chiefs at 9 people give me. I think that's like the area where I start considering it.

Yeah. I kind of think the Cowboys are going to do it at 12. and that will be the right spot. He's going to be amazing there. I could see that. Also, the touchdown celebration, because he scores and he just does the heart, is,

it's one of the better ones in a long time. I couldn't be less interested in taking a running back now. Like, have we not learned? You don't need to do it. I mean, it depends on what time of roster you have. I just,

is that like the difference maker for Dallas? Like, is getting a better running back than what Javante Williams. Jondi Williams was really good last year. I'm like, yeah. Well, no,

they just want to recreate the 90s of them. This is, teams always have. They always learned the wrong lesson, Craig. You got Giovante Williams in free agency. I mean, unless this guy, even Bijon Robinson, it's like he has been fun to watch on the Falcons. Has he brought them closer to winning a Super Bowl?

Probably not because the team's hard. This is the difference to me between like taking Caleb down to Jeremy. I love is that a safety I think can still make other positions better, but a running back is still dependent on five other offensive linemen and make them better. And like a running back can make people better once the floor is really, really high for the offense of life. In the Thanos glove is the running back.

It can't be the first one. Exactly. And so, but however, the difference is, this is why I think the Raiders taking Ash and Gentie last year was such a mistake, because the running back class was crazy deep last year. So like, would the Raiders really have been better off take? They could have took like Arm and Membu, who's going to be the right tackle for the Jets now.

And they could have took him and then got like Kim Skadaboo in the fourth round. Would you rather do that or take Gentie the first end of a fourth round starting tackle or a fourth round guard? I think the difference is this year is it's not a deep running back class. So if you need one, teams might talk them. into it. I'm not sure where the right spot is. It's weird, but he is, I do think Jeremiah Love is like legit like awesome and in a cool

way. He's also kind of an inch. He's a quirky guy as well. I think explosiveness on the ground is really important. And so I think I'm less, I'm less apt to be in the camp of running back so matter. It's a terrible move if you take a running back in the first round. I just think the it is very dependent on what's what else is on the roster. You know what I mean?

It's just funny, though. Like, if we go back and look at all of the running backs, taking the top 10 in the last half of many years, it's like how many of them actually, I mean, like, Sequin didn't do anything for the Giants. Bejan Robinson. Gibbs, I think, is the best example.

Yeah, but Gibbs is a good example because he was, there was like an infrastructure of, of good offensive and defensive line. And like built around. There was like an entire scheme. They had four first round picks on the offensive line. Jared Goff was the former number one overall pick and Sam La Porter was a first room.

Or, well, yeah, 34th, whatever. Yeah. It's like, you look at, Genti and Bijon and Sequin, it's like, none of those worked out. I don't know. I guess Genti could still work out if Mendoza is good. I think that's fair. I mean, look at, yeah, I'm going back, nausea for the Steelers.

No. Didn't really make an impact. Well, nice guy. Clyde Edwards Hillier for the Chiefs. No, that didn't go over well. And they were already good. Clyde over T. Higgins. But he was just not good.

Yeah. Don't let your quarterback pick running backs. Josh Jacobs was drafted by the Raiders in the first round. isn't good until he left. Well, he was really good actually, like, in his third year. But one year I said he'd be bad. He was great. That was pretty cool.

The, Deky, can I ask you, you compared Miami Edge Rush Rakeem Esedor to Jim Carrey playing basketball and the cable guy? This is like the highest compliment I can pay anyone. I compare that I've also compared you to Jim Carrey and the cable guy. If you haven't seen the cable guy, just imagine the biggest maniac you've ever encountered in your life. He also does a great, he has a great scene where they go to medieval top. times and like do a fight as knights.

And he's like, like just a just an absolute freaking maniac on the field. That is a key messador from Miami. Just absolutely a game wrecker. The big problem here is he's 25 years old. Or he will be 25 by the time the season starts. So this is again, I mean, you go back to the very beginning when Hafeitz asked me if this draft class

sucks and I said yes. I think generally speaking that is the right. thing that this draft class isn't very good. Craig, you kind of destroyed my dreams with the with the receiver group there. Um, but what did you told me that none of them are wide receiver ones. I was like, I think it's like you have to be, you have to bear in mind that like, like very few classes are going to have multiple superstar receivers. You know what I mean? It, it isn't a thing that you get every single season. So I'm trying to be like realistic. Sure. But I see what your point is in terms of like there is no, I don't think there are any true

prototype number ones at receiver. And then with the edge classes, there's question marks with everybody. Ruben Payne, the other Miami edge guy, super short arms. David Bailey, you know, he's a little undersized. Can we talk about David Bailey? He's 24 years old. Peter Woods is a worm. Like,

how's that? He's a sandworm. Love him even though he's a worm. Can we talk about David Bailey? Yeah. So David Bailey, also known as the guy who just absolutely destroyed Oregon and like, you know, just was everywhere in that Oregon, Texas Tech game. Um, I love him. I think he's like the more traditional. edge rush or he could be a top five pick.

I've never seen anyone that aesthetically that looks like David Bailey, like the way he dresses for games. I have all. Hand in the dirt, defensive end. Craig, he wears number 31. I want to start there.

Yeah, yeah. Red flag. He's in when Texas tech goes all black. So black helmet, black jersey, black undershirt, black pants,

black shoes. He wears white socks. Even I know that's kind of weird. Right. And you know, no gloves. No gloves. No nothing about socks.

Yeah. doesn't wear gloves. I don't know anything about socks. And I'm like, I would have wore black socks. No gloves. And he never tucks in his shirt, but his pants are always above his knees. You know who he is.

He's, he's Michael Bennett. He has the exact, like, style aesthetic of Michael Bennett. Michael Bennett had no, he had negative shoulder pads. His shoulder pads came out to, like, basically his neck. And he would, he had, he would never tuck in his jersey. He was just like, the best way I could express it is he was sort of slovenly looking, even though he was one of the best defense, like, pass rushers of that era. But yeah, it's freaking hilarious.

Hyvitz, would you say that this is deliberate by David Bailey? Or is he just so unbothered that he doesn't care what he looks like? I don't know what I want to ask him. It's a huge, it matters. I like, if part of me is like if he's so, it's kind of like when someone shows up to a golf course and they're wearing sneakers and cargo shorts and like a tucked it, not shirt, not tucked in. They're either the best player there or the worst. Or like a Boston Bruins jersey.

Yeah, exactly. Bailey's like, if he's like, white socks are the only clean ones in my drawer, what's the big deal? I play football. That's awesome. Yeah, that's, green flag. Yeah. But if he's like, I'm curating my look and this is what I find to be interesting, I'm not so sure. Yeah. If the answer is, I've thought about nothing this week

other than taking the soul of the man across from every snap. I'm like, that's all. This is such a great conversation, by the way, because there's, uh, it's always funny when you see guys with seven or eight wrist, like sweatbands on their arms. I'm like, I'm out. The DeMario overshed?

I'm like, that's too much. Too many arm bands. Come on. How long does it take you to get ready for the game? That's fair. If it takes you longer to get ready for the game than the actual minutes in the game, problem.

Yeah. I have a soft spot in my heart for, for Michael Bennett. Just like the person and the player. And so like, this doesn't bother me whatsoever. I like it actually. All right. That felt like a good primers or anything else,

DK, that you feel like you need to tell. our listeners about the draft this year? Any other thoughts? Remember, this is still this week. We're just getting started. Right, right, right, right. No, I think that that's that covers it. I think it's a good meat and potatoes draft. There's edge players, defensive tackles, uh, offensive linemen that are very interesting. You can make your team better. But overall, the blue chip talent at the top, not like a not, not a top tier class. Well, on that delicious pitch.

Shall we move on to email? Let's do it. Okay. We have to start here. Craig, so people found you on all the movies and TV shows. You said you couldn't remember being in. On the show, I did end up remembering that I googled and found out the Emily Dickinson one was called Wild Neck to the Emily, which is on YouTube and I found myself. In the first like three minutes, you can see me dancing.

You just danced around just an extra in all these movies. And Craig, if you didn't listen to the last episode, I highly recommend it. Craig, we just was an extra on all these movies and TV shows. couldn't be bothered to know which one, what he was doing, couldn't name anything. So then we found you in a video, a game show, sorry, not a video game, a game show called Divided. And, Cam, will you play Craig's intro in that game show? My name's Craig. I'm 22, and I'm a sports writer from San Remo in California.

I play basketball, baseball, football, volleyball, and had a 4-1 GPA. So not only am I competitive, but I got the smarts to back it up. What is this a dating show? face um that's the worst thing i've ever heard in my life um you know what what sucks about the stupid shows is like they're like you can't be on it unless you're over the top and i remember when i was like what auditioning or whatever to do it they were like hey you're not crazy enough like the other people are all nuts and you need to ramp it up and so like they're they told me they're like we need you to like you need to bring something to the table so like you're going to be

sports guy. You're going to be like, I got the smarts. Let's do your, because you have to send like a resume in and they ask for like notable things about you or whatever. What was your GPA? What did you study? What are you interested in? What was your GPA? And they're like, oh, you need to talk about how you had a 4.1 GPA. And I was obviously not a sports writer. I had no job. I was 22. That's why. Why else would it be on that game? Exactly. I'm like, I'm, I'm extra. I'm an extra in things. This was pre-ringer. This was after I moved back from New York after Kimmy Schmidt. So I was like, in between. I had nothing. I was just like doing whatever. And so they were like, what do you do? And I was like, me and my buddies like, write, we like write sports blogs for fun. And I'm like,

great, you're a freelance sports writer. I know. The first, the first question in the show was something like with 60 appearances on the Sports Illustrated, the cover of Sports Illustrated, who's the most, the athlete with the most appearances? And you, you were very confident. It was Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan. And you're like, yeah, I mean, I'm the sports writer. You know, I'm the sports guy. It's horrible. They turn you into a cartoon and you have to be like, you turn the cockiness up to about 15,

which I appreciated. It was funny. Horrible. And I think the woman ruined everything. And the woman to my right, I think, was the one who was steadfast that she deserved the most money. And she ended up tanking it from the team. Did she deserve the most money?

No. How much so you guys had it. It's called divided because you had to like agree on it. Basically the goal was to screw each other. It's trivia. And you have to agree on every answer. but the twist at the end is you have to then at the end you like how much money you've made.

You have to negotiate. You have to agree on who gets what cut of money. You can decide between one person gets 60, 30, and 10%. So obviously it's like, it doesn't even matter how much money you accrue because by the end, no one's going to agree to take 10% and you end up losing all the money. So by the end, I think I made a couple hundred bucks

and I didn't receive the check in the mail for nine months. I know there was the other guy, the guy to your left was, I think he won $127, which I thought was just an insulting. Before taxes, yeah. Insultingly, it's not even worth your time.

That's probably my lowest point is doing the game show. I'm proud of everything else I've ever done. You hit rock bottom. You got cut out of Fast 8? That was the other one. Those that spawned all this, you were just like, I was in Fast and Furious.

But you were in Fast 8. It seems like you got cut out, though. From the nuclear football scene. People were trying to find out. The nuclear football scene? I don't know. That's what it's called on YouTube. I don't know what that means.

The case of nuclear codes the president carries around is called the football because you can't fumble the football. Oh. That's a real- We were in Manhattan standing on the street at like four in the morning on like Broadway and it, cars were just whipping by and we were supposed to have our phones up. So if anybody can find the extended cut, the Snyder cut of fast eight that I'm in, I can't believe they found the game show with some random archive website.

I will be impressed. The Emily Dickens thing you can see on YouTube, if somebody could find the fast eight thing, Or whatever, a movie show I was in coming back from war or going to war. I want to know what that is. Yeah. I was in some like wool coat. It was so hot.

Terrible. They used to wear wool. I can't believe you ever told us that. So good. Craig's lower maxing. Did they do that right? Lower maxing. It's pretty good.

It is a more maxer. It was a fast date that got me out. So we got, we asked for people's most embarrassing stories ever. Oh, nice. Couple of good ones. The hook here was I was bird shit Kelly in middle school. Can that be his kairon today when we start this episode when it says high fits, horrible, but can it say shit, shit, shit, bird shit Kelly?

Yeah. Also, I'm going to change all my fantasy team names to bird shit Kelly. It's honestly kind of a cool name. Yeah. I don't know why, but it works. Anything works with Kelly. That's true. Shipwreck Kelly, bird shit.

Shipwreck Kelly. Bird shit, Kelly. Well, speak in any of the nicknames. So this one's from Jeremy. Jeremy. Breakfast with three cups of coffee. Nice. That's my speed right there.

Jeremy writes, when I was in third grade, we went on a class trip to an aquarium. They had a marine biologist talk to us and explain a bunch of fish stuff. Technical term. It's always on field trips. That's when this shit goes wrong. I was like, this sounds so familiar. It's like you're at a zoo. You're at an aquarium.

You just know a farm. Something's going to go awry. Jeremy writes at one point during the marine biologist presentation at this aquarium, she asks, does anyone know what an octopus's arms are called? And I confidently raised my hand and yell, yes, they're called testicles. So close. So close. I thought he used to say something else, to be honest. Well, the marine biologist says, no, no, that's not correct. They're tentacles. And then I respond and say, no, no, no, that's right. An octopus has eight testicles. he got started at mansplaining quite early in life

so Jeremy writes that for the next five years the marine biologist was a woman yeah no no he's like actually that's where you're off no no doctor scientist so Jeremy writes me for five years I was called testicles that's cool that was Jeremy's nickname for five years no no no he doubled down on this I love that

I love that also they just called him testicles He's like, kids are brutal. This email's from John. Jay. Breakfast was a raspberry fruit bar and a great five-hour energy. John writes... Five-hour energy.

We're still doing those. Dude, you know what? I don't understand the five-hour energy thing. That guy is so rich, too. Yeah. Fuck. That's one of those. You're like, I could have done that.

But you didn't. I'm like, you know, fuck. We should just sell an energy drink. John writes my most embarrassing moment in a varsity basketball game I scored for the other team varsity that is

that's tough and John Wright varsity it was a big game he put all these details about the game it was a big game and John writes it was not a tip in or a deflection

just forgot where he was he shot an elbow jumper at the wrong basket and fucking drained it oh my God I did I feel like I did that when I was eight

But varsity. So yeah, so like he snagged a defensive rebound and then just went right back up with it. I don't, I feel like he had to get past the ball by a teammate, right? Like, like, but you'd be getting past the ball

probably from like the baseline from out of bounds. I don't know. I don't know what situation you get the ball. Instinct took over. Nature versus Nurture Lodge. Hey, he's a hooper. If he sees a hoop, he shoots.

Yeah, exactly. Shoot to shoot. He came off the bench, I think was part of it. But he says there were like, he says it was a huge game. There were a few thousand people there. he said all of them were pointing and laughing at me. Pointing and laughing, such a.

And a universal. Like, Brennan has a man gina. Brennan has a man. And he says, what made it worse is the refs actually to stop the game because them and the scores didn't know how to score the play. Oh, no. So they all got to soak it up.

He hits the basket and then everyone stops the game and everyone's pointing laughing. What do we do? This has never happened before. What do we do? So then his coach, who's like a Bobby Knight-esque hard ass, was just shaking with laughter and trying to not even let him see

that he was laughing, which is kind of worse than being yelled at. Oh, my. And then he says, I'm in a text chain with my high school friends. This incident comes up once every few months. I'm 43 years old. This happened 27 years ago. Once every few months is a lot. 43 years old.

I've been 27 years. This guy's my exact generation and I fucking love this. Varsity game is tough. I can see why that's... I love that I made the shot on the rug vast. Not like a tip ball either. You're not going for the rebound and accidentally tip it in. He shot a jumper at the wrong.

Oh, no. Oh, no. My worst basketball memory was I got absolutely fucking swatted in a game one time. And it was like truly pointing and laughing. And I'm like right in front of like the home crowd or whatever, the away team crowd. And they just let me have it. It was it was tough. That was my junior year.

I've mentioned this before, but I got roped into having to play once on the ringer league team because they were out of people and I was the fifth person. And if they didn't have five people, they would forfeit. But it was a church league or something. So if I cursed, you get ejected. If you get ejected, you lose the game. And if I lost the game, I lost the season. So suddenly I went from not playing on this team.

No pressure. If you yell shit twice, the season ends. And that was surreal. Man. I feel like it's not that hard to not curse while playing basketball. I know. but when you suddenly like, no, no, no, this season's over if you yell fuck is like, that's a lot of pressure. And you, but you made it. You did all right. I made my first three because they, I, and then, you should have put a mouth garden.

I should have put a mouth garden. Yeah. No, we want. I elbowed. There was like, they had a, they had a Baron Trump as six foot 10 lawyer who, you know, I just elbowed in the kid. He's got him to curse at me, got him ejected. I was like I did my job. Oh, damn. You like went straight Rodman. Yeah. the other player ejected. He was like a foot. I can see Hyphitz having the Rodman persona on the, on the court for sure. I witnessed it in real time. Absolute pit bull out there. Dude, if you had a fast break layup and you heard Hyfitz's footsteps rumbling behind me.

He told us my giant feet, my 4E flat feet that they can't even sell sneakers for. I actually stopped multiple fast breaks because my footsteps, it was like the- Like a seal. You're like a freaking seal running around it. It's not worth the layout version. Seems closer than it actually appears. My footsteps were so loud from my cloppy-ass cloven feet that, like, Richie Bozac was missing layups because I was 30 feet away, but he thought I was right on. I'm like LeBron James.

Yeah. Craig. Danny footsteps hyphids. Craig, do you have any really embarrassing moments from all your times on movie sets and whatnot? Well, I mean, I would say that game show qualifies, no. Oh, the type. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which one?

Sorry, Kim. Can you play that one again? I forget. What exactly did Craig say? He told his GPA. He was 22 years old. My name's Craig. I'm 22 and I'm a sports writer from San Ramon, California.

I play basketball, baseball, football, volleyball, and had a 4-1 GPA. So not only am I competitive, but I got the smarts to back it up. Craig, is this your high school GPA or your college GPA? Not my college GPA. How many years are you allowed to tell people your high school GPA? I can't tell you how much that these producers of this fucking random game show that I don't even know if that made it to air, where they're like stretching to make anything work. I didn't play all those sports in high school.

That's another thing you kept from us, but you didn't tell us to last year you had an offer to play volleyball in college. Okay, once again, it was like the smallest Division III College of the Redwood's offer. You have the fakesest fucking college of the Redwood. You're like Don Draper. Where'd you go to high school? Uh, uh, uh, uh, he's real evasive. California high school.

Damn straight. Docs do. Yeah. college shows the Redwoods wait I have I have a question and we can cut this if Craig doesn't want this out there tell the story about the thing that you had to test on the set of Kimmy Schmidt

Oh I'd be happy to I can't remember if you've told this story This is cool I don't think this is embarrassing Okay good well that's great I was a PA on season three of Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt The Tina Fey show with Ellie Kemper and Titus Burgess is very funny show Anyway, John Ham, who's like kind of in that world, played the guy who kidnaps Kimmy Schmidt.

So he was occasionally on set. I was a PA. So I was like in the office on set a lot, like almost every day. Well, there was a moment when Fred Armisen played a character who had to wet his pants in a scene. So they needed to test the P-Rig and they didn't want to test it on Fred Armisen. The P-Rig. Yeah, the P-Rig. They didn't want to test it on Fred Armisen because, you know, he's a kid.

Fred Armisen. So they needed, they found somebody with the same waist as him or close. And I was the 32 waist and they're like, hey, you, you need to come downstairs and test out this P rig. And I was like, okay. So I'm down on the actual stage because that's where it was easy to like clean up the liquid that would spill on the floor. So I was, I would come down there for it was like a couple days. I would go down for a while and test out this P rig. And it would be like Tina Faye, Fred Armisen, and one day just John Hamm, just standing there kind of laughing and just watching me wet myself when they're staring at the wet spot on my crotch. And like, that didn't look natural.

Let's try that again. And I did that. That was like a day's work for me. I collected your check. Oh my God. That's so good. So they're all just staring at your crotch. And they're staring like, is his belt buckle backwards?

Yeah. This guy put his belt in wrong? Yeah, there's like some tube running up my leg. Yeah. Did you have to bring like five pairs of pants every day to like practice? They supply me with your pants. It wasn't my own pants. A nice supply

He was luckily a wardrobe department Peepants, everyone's doing it Did you piss your pants When you were on the set of Kimmy Schmidt So if I ever beat John Ham I'll tell him that he watched me wet myself multiple times I would love to know if he could remember that No shot

What party were we at together? I'm like, oh my God P rig I like that it's called a P rig What did the P rig look like? Was it real real realistic? Well, it was, the, the little device or whatever, like, wasn't connected to me, but it was just like a tube that was, you know, the little thing was like, whatever, five feet away from me. And then this tube just ran out my leg. Like a catheter.

Yeah. Amazing. Movie magic, folks. Emails. Did you see that clip? Mad Men is on, um, people are watching Madman now because it's, is it on Netflix or is it on HBO? I don't even know where to find it, but I'm watching Mad Men right now. There was a, I think on HBO, there was some air.

There was a couple days where it was up where they uploaded the wrong version of a certain episode. It was like not the final version. And so there's a scene where John Slattery's character has, it throws up from eating like, he had like three martinis and a bunch of oysters at lunch or something. And they go back up and he throws up in a meeting. And the actual cut that's on HBO is you can see a guy on his knees standing behind John Slattery with like this like puke machine.

and he's like standing there with like a bag of it and the tube is like running up John Slattery's shirt and that's just in the cut of Mad Men this is like the I should just watch that episode the day the Starbucks coffee cup

in Game of Thrones or whatever yeah except that was like real that was the final version that was oh my God Cam just said a picture of this you can just see him pumping the pew

it's so good oh that's hilarious and they've even got vomit hose Wow. Movie magic. Yeah. How did that get past the editors?

I never understand this. Honestly, I don't think this might have been the version I watched that I didn't notice because there's so much puke that comes out. You just kind of instinctively like, oh, like, got to look away. Also, God, dude. Actually, I don't want any Mad Men spoilers, but I'm having a great time watching Mad Men. We just watched the suitcase last night. It's my favorite drama.

It's so good. All right. One more before we get out of here. Speaking of people drinking. This one's from Ryan. Our bone. Craig asked for drinks. People don't drink anymore.

Ryan writes breakfast, two to three cups of black coffee, which is just, it's funny. Respect. It really isn't a window to you day. Ryan's email is just, DK,

tell them about Mickey's grenades. Oh yeah, Mickey's. Mickey's is great. People still drink Mickey's. Mickey's like 40s? I've never heard of this. Mickey's,

I don't know if it's malt liquor or just beer in a 40 ounce thing, but I've had a Mickey's 40. Mickey's that used to make, I don't, maybe they don't make these anymore, but it's like a little, it's like a half bottle of Mickey's and it looked like a grenade. And it's just like a cute little, you know, it's like a session beer that you can have at a party.

And they're, they're pretty small. Ryan says they had hieroglyphic puzzles like alcoholic snapple facts on the cap. That's kind of funny. Mickey's was a foundational beer in, I want to say, like the early odds. Everyone was drinking Mickey's. you go to like a gas station and get mickeys. It's harder to find now. I've never heard of this.

We're seen it. I'm looking at it now. I've never even seen this. Hyphins, when I turned 40, Skippy got me a Mickey's. 40 out. Oh, shit.

Yeah. The thing I think about a lot is Zima. Zima walked so that Mike's hard could run so that White Claw could fly. Was it, was it X-I-M-A? X-N-A? What was it a Z-I-M-A? Oh, Z-I-M-A.

Z-M-A. Z-M-A. You guys, see, you're talking your gen x is too toxic masculinity to like make zima work but the reality is now zima's punctured through it with gen z yeah we yeah we did have too much toxic masculinity back then it's from robert our bone we used to drink sidewalk slams which involved drinking half of a malt liquor 40 ounce akin to a brass monkey and then filling the bottle up with four loco back to the top and then we would duct tape them both to our hands and play edward 40 hands with them but it was after

you drink half so it was edward 40 hands with a four loco and a malt liquor, which generally resulted with someone peeing their pants before they could finish the 80 ounces of liquid, of liquid. And we got more emails about this than I'm comfortable. We were Bill Diff back then, you guys. Yeah, we were.

The new generation doesn't even like to drink anymore. Dude, Edward LocoB. It's not our generation, it's the one below us. Right. It's Calvin's generation. Calvin hasn't had a drink yet, I bet. He's sober as a judge. Well, every generation thinks that,

again, rewatching Madman, and it's like, they're like, yeah, I'm done drinking now, but they drink beer. Right, right. Or they're like, I don't drink it again. I'm going to slow it down. I'm going to pivot to clear liquor. Right, right, right.

Healthy. It's healthy for you. Oh, man. Sidewalk slam. Splitting the 40 with half of a four logo is just. Did you guys, did you guys ever do breast monkeys? No. I don't actually know what that is.

I just read it. It's orange juice in a 40 ounce. No. Why? I don't think I ever did that. Because it tastes better. Oh. I mean, I think.

I don't know why. else, but that was why I would do it. I like the taste of orange juice. It's like a mixed drink. It's Gerald and I like the taste. I left the taste of it. All right. Email us at ringer fantasy football at juneo.com.

I want memorable, I want memorable best man speeches, any other original four loco stories. Draft questions, Super Bowl questions. Email us for your fantasy football at junev.com. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Kamm. Thank you, you, Kallels. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, everyone for listening. Thank you, Lord.

Lauren. Thank you, Tina Turner. Okay. I'll have the Ike and Tina tuna. Plater platter. This does not bode well. She walks into Blimpies. Craig is referencing a rest of development for the record.

Dude, I'm reading about Locos. They are a remarkable beverage. They are something, you know, we always look back at 80s movies and like, what were they doing in the 80s? The Four Locos feels like an 80s drink. I can't believe that we were drinking that. They changed the record. in 2010, which makes sense. I mean, I went to high school, 08 to 12.

So I think right around that switch, I think I had a couple before they changed it. Dude, 14% alcohol. They are, which is a bottle of wine. They are 23 and a half ounces of God. I don't know why they weren't the size of a regular soda can. They were 24 ounces, 14% alcohol. They had caffeine, torrent, and Gorana in them.

Oh my God. And you're drinking like the fruit punch flavor, just getting absolutely bomb. They were produced by fusion projects was the name of the company. They probably also make like missiles. Fucking metal. Did you guys in your day? They were notorious for its original blackout in a can formula.

Right. They had to make it illegal because it was like they people would go to these parties and they would find kids out on the front lawn like totally passed out. We have emails of people who are like from all over one particular. particularly memorable one about someone who went to school in Iowa, which I guess Iowa City at that point was the number one alcohol consumption of America. And they were like, they did that Edward 40 hands with the four locos.

And he was like the first time apparently he was like, I was told that I had shoved a blind man in line for bathroom in a wheelchair. And the second time that he woke up in someone else's house. And it turned out to be like a neighbor, like a 60 year old man is like, what are you doing in my house? And then he was like, I stopped drinking four loco.

But there's like, I got a concern in my emails about people. saying those things. Old English, I think the original Edward Fortyhan's beer and malt liquor is like 6%. This was 14%. That's what wine is. That's like here drinking a bottle of wine, a pop. With caffeine.

And a ton of sugar. Bottle of wine was a monster. And creatines. They can get all jacked up. Craig, in your, well, I have it too. In your guys' day, did you do drop shots? Is that still a thing that people do? It's a drop shot. Like, you know, like a touchdown or a, you're dropping, fuck, what are they called? No. We just shotgun beers.

You guys didn't do drop shots in your day? I don't even know what you're talking about. You drop a shot in a drink. Oh, you mean like a Yeager bomb or something. Yag bomb is the one I was thinking of. Yeah, we did that. You guys didn't call them drop shots? No, that's a better name, actually.

Okay. Drop shot is good. We used to do, I want to see if anyone was my contemporary at, Dantes in Seattle in the U district back in probably 2005, 2007 or so. Doug Baldwin was there. Yeah, he was there. They had like DJ, they had straight up dance. This was a like a tavern vibe.

It was like a, I don't even know how to call it. It was the weirdest part I've ever been to. And it had a, it was like a chalet vibe decoration. Like you're in Bavaria or something. But then they had a dance floor and everybody's in there doing shots. And I remember one day, it's closed now. It burned down, which is very apt. We knew the bartenders and we ordered a pitcher of Yegbomb and they gave it to us.

So that was the high point, I think, of my Dante's experience. You know, we talk about how I have this past life and all these crazy stories. D.K. does as well. We could dig into D.K.'s past and learn a lot about a man that no one knew. I just want to know if anyone who's listening was at Dantes. that era. He was like backpacking all over the world in his 20s. He got a lot of stories in the whole show.

D.K. was in Fast and the Furious Five. Yeah, yeah. Craig, my version of that is like, I went backpacking. Where'd you go? I don't know.

What'd you do there? I don't know. I can't remember. Yeah, how long got in six months? Cool. Can you tell me one thing? Dude, half the time when you book these like stupid extra roles,

they don't even tell you the name of the project. Because when they film it, they have code names. So, like, you genuinely don't even know what you're doing. I know. I know. I know. I know.

Okay, that one I knew. But the TV show about World War, whatever, I don't know. It's like, has some fake name. And then it comes out in a year. And it's not like they're sending me an email saying, hey, congrats to your episodes out. That's fair. That's fair. Goodbye, everyone.

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