The Ringer NFL Show - 50 Shades of WR Prospects and Lamar Jackson’s Trade Request

Episode Date: March 28, 2023

Today, the guys open by briefly sharing their thoughts on Lamar Jackson’s trade request and some potential landing spots for the former MVP quarterback (2:00). Next, (loosely) inspired by the ‘Fifty Shades of Grey’ series, they break down the strengths and weaknesses of the biggest names in this year’s wide receiver draft class before comparing them to NFL players using a scale from 0 to 50 (8:29). Finally, they close with emails (58:58). Jordan Addison, USC (10:44) Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Ohio State (18:46) Jalin Hyatt, Tennessee (24:18) Quentin Johnston, TCU (30:43) Josh Downs, UNC (36:48) Zay Flowers, Boston College (43:04) A.T. Perry, Wake Forest (49:50) Check out our 2023 Ringer NFL Draft Guide here! Email us! [e-mail] Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Ben Solak, Craig Horlbeck Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We're going through. We're giving scouting comparisons. Well, Dick H. Sahlik is going to give the 50 shades of gray style comparisons. And if you don't know what that means. Sexy comparisons. You're going to find out. This is what dominator rating is.

If you have a dominated ring right here. Oh, man. Nice. Hey, what's up? Look at that. Jokes. That was great. That was good. We're also going to, I want to hear from Craig about San Diego State making the final four. But first, so Lamar Jackson requested

a trade on Twitter, except he just tweeted, hey, I asked for a trade three weeks ago, which is kind of funny. So basically, Lamar tweeted, among many things, I'm not going to read the whole thing. He said, as of March 2nd, I requested a trade from the Ravens organization for which the Ravens has not been interested in meeting my value. He goes,

you're all great, but I had to make a business decision that was best for my family and I, end quote, except it goes on and on. So the basic summary of this Ravens thing is basically Lamar wants a basketball contract, like DeShone Watson got and five years guaranteed. And the Ravens are like, we just do football contracts, like two or three years guaranteed. And now the Ravens of Lamar negotiation is like a proxy fight for this cold war of like owners and the union and whether they should guarantee contracts or not. And basically NFL owners are like, we don't want to become the NBA.

And that's like the whole fight. I don't know who wants this. I could just throw a jump ball here. But basically there are football situations where, sure, they need Lamar. Jackson. Like, sure, Washington needs Lamar, but you can't sign Lamar to a fully guaranteed deal and give up two first-round picks without the owner being on board. I don't see a single team where I look at the owner and they're like, yeah, yeah, I'll change the precedent for contract structure in the NFL. I don't think anyone's going to sign Lamar Jackson to this deal.

Is there a team out there that I'm not seeing where the owners, like, yeah, I'll just blow this all up. Let's do it. Hi, Fitz. If you're looking for an owner crazy enough to do this, I encourage you to search Jim Ursae on Twitter. And you've got to introduce yourself to the Colts ownership and some photos taken of him in the last decade. And this just general style of tweeting, I agree with you that like the number one impediment to a Lamar trade slash tender offer

slash any way to get off of Baltimore's roster. The most likely, the biggest obstacle for that is no owner wanting to step out of line of what is kind of a quasi-unspoken maybe semi-spoken agreement to not, you know, give up any ground on guaranteed contracts. That's absolutely the biggest issue. I do think there's a few worlds in which Germanerset, who, you know, quite recently made Jeff Saturday the interim head coach of the Indianapolis coach with no coaching experience.

True. Just goes, heck it! And just full sends it, right? Well, I'm with you except literally last, so we're recording this Tuesday. Literally last night, Jim owner said, as an owner, I do not believe in fully guaranteed contracts I think percentage is one thing, but when I've seen from the NBA and baseball, I don't see guaranteeing contracts as a positive.

Well, because if this happens, right? Like the Deshaun Watson contract, if it happens once, it's an outlier. If it happens twice, it's now a pattern, right? And it now has to continue forever. And then the next quarterback's going to ask for that. So this is just the owners getting together having a collective mindset saying,

hey, none of us are going to budge. This is a deal we're all going to make with ourselves, right? Yeah, which like the collusion aspect of it is like, I don't know, firstly how. collusion is actually defined. And I don't know, like, if they all met in a shady back room with cigars. Is there a big owner's group chat? And they're like, hey, no guaranteed contracts, right?

And then 31 teams thumbs up it. They heart it. Schefter tweeted out the details of the Deshaun Watson deal. And then you just saw Jimmy Haslam has left the chat in the owners group chat. It's like, got kicked by Jerry Jones. Get him out of here. He's not one of us anymore. Regardless, like, so Ersei makes that comment.

And I'm not surprised that he did. And I think that that makes. sense and everything like that. I think that the world Jim Ursa is looking at right now is one where he loves Will Levis and gets him at four overall. And I'm just saying there's worlds in which the Colts, and I had to pick

at four, and a quarterback went one, a quarterback went two, a quarterback three, and they don't like the guy at four. And all of a sudden, guaranteed contracts hard to look a little bit different, right? And the same thing is true for Lamar, where right now Lamar's like, yeah, guaranteed contract. I want I want 100% guaranteed deal. Get to July, and the only team

that's interested in you is the Colts. the world starts to look a little bit different. So, like, and so what is it, draft day, right? Where they say, like, that was, that deals an hour ago. You know what I'm saying? We live in a different world and we lived in 10 minutes ago, right? That's kind of the changing nature of the NFL. So I think this is a really weird offseason because generally speaking,

the soft deadline for all quarterback trades is basically mid-March, and the hard deadline's always the draft. And this year, it's like the opposite. For Aaron Rogers and Lamar Jackson, it's kind of like the draft is the soft deadline, and week one is like the hard deadline, basically, where the Lamar, because the way the Lamar deal works, where if you sign me the contract and the Ravens decline, you have to send them two first-run picks.

All these teams, if they did it, they would wait till after the draft because they'd rather send their first rounders in 20-24 and 2025. So I don't think anything's going to do it until the draft. Having said that, if the draft passes and teams get their quarterbacks,

I feel like Lamar at that point could just either play for the Ravens on the tag or it could just not show up and never play for the Ravens again. DK., if we get to that point, I don't know about you. I'm starting to wrap my head around that. Do you think there's a world

where Lamar just doesn't show up, it just doesn't play for Baltimore? Is there a world where that happens? I think so. I mean, this is how leverage works with these types of things. Like he can hold out. That is the leverage he holds over the team.

Is there a world? My question back to you would be like, is there a world in which he gets traded for less than what the non-exclusive tag is? Like two first round, is there a world in which he's like, I'm not going to play, period. So you have to trade me or, you know,

you can go fuck yourself. So the way it works is that basically, it's basically like restricted free agency in the NBA. He can go sign a deal with anybody. And they, the exact contract, more or less word for word, goes back to the Ravens. And the Ravens are like, we can sign this and we get Lamar for this contract. Or if they don't sign it, the team that does get Lamar, let's say the Colts did it. The Colts have to send their next two first round picks to the Ravens. So that's why you think they would wait till after the draft, because the rules are like, ha, after the draft, it's 2024. It can't be like less than that. But

the problem is if Lamar actually wants a guaranteed contract, I don't think any owners are doing it. So at that point, it's basically just a franchise tech situation. And it's like, will Lamar levy on Bell and be like, actually, I'm just going to sit out and just go to free agency and be of unrestricted free agent in March 2024? Or does he show up? This, this, like, the next big landmark is the draft. And then it's still a bunch of weirdness and still a lot of trap doors. And like, this is going to be a whole, this is going to go out for a long time. This is going to be a holdout. this is going to get ugly. That's my, it's my opinion. And that's really the nut and both here.

I don't think Lamar or Rogers is getting resolved in for literally months. I think that this might go on for like till week one. Great for the content, folks. Great for the gift. That keeps on giving. Water in the desert. All right. Let's get to 50 shades of gray.

So we're going through our receiver prospects here. And basically, I feel like we always treat, we always talk about prospects like they're finished products. It's like, okay, you're 21 year old. Coming to the NFL, you are who you are. In reality, you're ranger. of outcomes depends on a lot of factors. You could become a one, you could become a 50, whatever. So we're going through all these guys on a scale of one to 50, the shades of gray, of how they

might turn out. Is that fair? Yes. I would say, look, I do our comps for our draft guide and people get mad at me constantly about the cons because I'm like, you're either like selling him short by comping him to a bad player or an average player or you're calming to a really good player And then people get upset about that because, you know, oh, you're saying this guy's going to be Antonio Brown or whoever. You're like, give me a break. I'm just trying to give you a stylistic comparison or whatever. So this is like where we're coming from.

There's shades of gray with everything. Well, it's like you compare Tyree Wilson to JV on clowning, which is like, oh, he's the best prospect ever. Oh, he's going to suck. Right. So this is adding context. Yeah, like most players end up average. Right.

Like, that's how average works, man. And so, like, it's nice to use a high-end comp, to make this is what the guy could become. It's nice to use low-end comps to be like, this is a guy we also thought could become something great, and he totally busted. But the reality is like, Zay's going to end up somewhere in this spectrum of, like,

handy, useful players that stick around for a while and occasionally are good, and that's nice. So what we're going to do is we're going to have you guys give your ranges of the outcome, on a scale to 50. Zero to 50 is a really weird scale, but we like the term 50 shades of gray. So we're going zero to 50. So we're really just shoving the same.

through here. Yeah, branding is more important than anything. Logic. Yes. Yeah, I don't think there's a great SEO. People are really Googling 50 shades gray these days. Listen, I'm trying to figure out what this is. I don't really get it.

So zero is like the worst possible outcome for the player 50 is like how they're going to make the Hall of Fame. And we're going to go through the receivers and we're going to actually see if we can figure out, okay, who are these guys going to be. And then I also want to hear your guys' confidence scale and where you think they actually do end up on the zero to 50 scale. So without further ado, D.K., I want you to start, Jordan Addison, the receiver at a USC, who I think we have barely talked about during this draft run up and deserves some shine.

So who are your 50 shades of gray comparisons for Jordan Addison? First of all, how big is he? Give us height weight. God, my voice. It's almost like someone's been screaming at the television for like four basketball games than a rip. Craig just rip it through packs of sags before the pod. Hells that it is.

since I was six. Addison came in pretty undersized. He's 5-11, 173 pounds, which is kind of a concern. So that was... How much do you weigh? I just got under 160. I've lost 10 pounds since the end of the season. Wow.

Because I'm not eating hamburgers. Let's go, baby. Yeah, 159.9. Didn't you eat four or five guys cheeseburgers? We don't need to talk about how many five guys hamburgers I ate in Phoenix the weekend of the Super Bowl. When I did those expense reports, I was horrified. It was a wake-up call.

That was the most motivated I've ever been to change my eating habits in my life. When I expensed $1,000. When I expensed five guys, and the best thing is throughout the week, you can see like, all right, first couple days, I'm like, yeah, can I get like a burger and onions and lettuce or whatever? By the end of the week, it's like bacon, cheese, bail. Like emotional support condiments started getting thrown on that, John. The expense website was like, Ben, are you sure?

It looks like you've repeated four receipts. And you're like, yeah, that's right. When I send it to my manager, I was like, I need you to just approve of this and not look at the details. I was like, I'm just going to just check this and send it through, man. I can't have you seeing this. Bryce Young's agents behind you in line and calls Bryce Young. He's like, I have an idea. This kid here, he's on to something.

All right. Now that we promised we'd talk about Jordan Addison, let's get back to Jordan Addison. So he's skinny is the context that you need for these comments. And so I started, I'll start out with the low end for this one. Worst case scenario. Worst case is like he's a D.D. Westbrook type player where hyperproductive in college comes in and just doesn't really do anything in the NFL. Getting into a more realistic comp, this is my 30. I think Darnel Mooney is my like more realistic.

I don't know if Flores is right word, because obviously Mooney has been pretty good. He had like a thousand year at season. But like picture Darnel Mooney, the type of productive like a number two that you could imagine on your team. That to me is a realistic con for Jordan. Madison going up one step further, the California version of Hollywood Brown, not the Florida one, the California Hollywood Brown. And then number five, this is the 50. If we Mr. Potato headed Devante Smith with normal human limbs instead of really ridiculously long, just take off the super long arms and Mr. Potato head on normal size limbs.

And that's like Devante Smith is like the ceiling compliment. Let's get Mr. Potato. head into the draft jargon. Wow. If you missed your potato head at him, he'd be all right. So that's, to me, that's the range of outcomes. It's like you could have a really, you know, potential superstar like I think Devante Smith is.

Or you can have a guy that just is too small, really, to hold up in the NFL. I think I'm out after seeing these comps. I'm out. Wow. All right. Well, Devante Smith is like the biggest physical outlier ever. So I feel like that's not going to happen. And then if Marquise Brown is his 40, I'm like,

like, Marquise Brown? Markis Brown. He's underrated. Let's give Marquise Brown a break. He's been a productive pro. This is just a list of players who the entire conversation around them was, they were good, but oh my God, they're so small.

Well, this is a bigger conversation for this entire draft because everybody in this draft, all the, like most of the big name receivers in this class are ridiculously small human beings, like 170 pounds. I don't know. I think this is a part of a bigger conversation. Marquis Brown has had over a thousand yards. he had 91 receptions in 2021. Like he has had a, he's been pretty good in the NFL, despite being small.

But at the same time, as Craig said, I'm out. Like you have to keep, you have to take everything with a grain of salt because this, these are really small people. And historically, that hasn't really worked out for really small people. So this is, yeah, I think that's the context you need. For, yeah, for perspective, two of the 10 lightest receivers in combine history since, 99 are, uh, are in this class. And then five of the lightest 25 are in this class.

Not five at last 25, five at last 50, my apologies. But the thing is like, what's really important is that in a lot of those other classes, it was like late round dudes who like made it to the, you know, combine and maybe they were going to get drafted. Now we're talking about like some of the top guys, like Josh Downs, like Jordan Addison, you know, Tank Dell. Like these are guys who might like go like round one and then into day two. Like this is the best the class has got. And they're all like 16, 170. It's bananas.

I think we were talking about this last night on Twitter. It's like, I think number one, the NFL is just getting smaller. Like receivers are getting smaller. There's less of an onus on players being like big and physical and being able to take punishment over the middle field because the, you know, the rules have changed. You can't take a guy set off over the middle of field like you used to be able to. So like these small guys can survive in the NFL.

The game is changing. It's spreading out. There's a million variables. But also it's just, I think, coincidence or what the right. I don't know what the right word is. But like there's just a lot of small guys in this class. So I guess what I'm wondering is, are these guys like worth taking high? Because even though they're smaller, the league's going that way and like you still need guys to contribute.

And if you can be a Devante Smith and you can be a Marquis Brown, if it can actually play, that's fine. Or like, is this just a weird outlier group where there's not that many big people? And like, I don't know. So like, like, I guess where should you take Jordan Edison? Like, because Devante Smith is a first rounder. Marquis Brown is the first rounder. But at the same time, if you know how Marquis Brown's first five. seasons ago, he probably doesn't go in the first round.

So are we talking about a second round player here or first? I wouldn't take Addison first round. I was low on Addison's film before we got Combine stuff. And then, you know, he came in light and didn't run that well, which like a lot of people are like, wow, like it's going to be really fast for Jordan Addison coming up the combine. I was like, are we watching the same guy? Like this guy's stride is a yard.

Like you can't, he's not going to be like a burner, right? Like later in this, in this exercise, I'm going to talk about a couple more small undersized receivers who have like more speed to him, right? have a more a downfield presence. That's never Addison. So it's like, it's a quick undersized guy who's going to take hits. That to me is not a round one profile. That's made especially true by the fact that he's got a lot of company.

He's got Tankdale. He's got Zayflowers. He's got Tyler Scott. He's got, uh, you know, Jalen Kropper. He's got a bunch of dudes in this class who are also small and are also shifty slot separator guys. And so I think Addison might end up going round one because wide receivers are premium position.

It's a bulletikoff award winner. And it's not that strong of a draft class. But to me like, you know, we like to me, make fun of teams that have all these these size barriers like we don't draft small people and like all right maybe you should sometimes draft small people but a 177 pound receiver who like doesn't have to me like really truly cardinal defining traits not like devonte smith like every game you watch like like holy smoke what the heck how's this guy doing this like i like i i to me it's a little bit diamond doesn't i don't want to be sending a first round pick on that to add to that however however he's like a lot

of guys number one like in terms of the draft media like he's a lot of people's wide receiver one in this class. And I think so like that's just the context. I think there's a lot of people that really think he his route running and you know, his ability to pick up yards after the catch are like going to win out. But I'm with you. So like like it's it's it's worrisome to me that he didn't, he wasn't like a blazer. He's he's not a big physical player obviously. So I'm just trying to figure out like is that a first round prospect. I had him as wide receiver four entering the combine on my board. And he's wider super four leaving combine. I'm out. Okay. Okay. So if you had to pick a zero out of 50, his career outcome comes.

30. I think I comped him to Darnow Mooney. Yes. Oh. I like Darnel Mooney, but like first round, I'm good. Oh, okay. All right. Next up here, Solek.

Yes. The true wide receiver one, Jackson Smith and Jigba, Ohio State. What's the meme of it's all Ohio? Astronaut guy with the gun, it always has been. That's what it is. And during the summer, we were like,

Jack Smith and Jigba. This guy's crazy. And then we spent the last nine months being like, what about all these other players? And now here we are back again. We're like, wow, you know whose film was really good? Jackson Smith and Jigba. I'm going to start at the bottom and work my way up.

Smith and Jigba is like a decently sized traditional slot receiver. He's got great separation ability. He's got good toughness over the middle of the field. What you're worried about is my 10 and my 20, like Austin Collie to Jarvis Landry, right? Where he's just kind of like, they're in the middle, catching a lot of passes, not doing a lot with them afterwards and taking a ton of hits.

And you don't know what his longevity. going to be like because he's not the thickest or the biggest dude. So that's what you're kind of worried about. Like, you know, fantasy guys, crazy, right? Like, he's going to get a ton of targets. He's going to be like a wider Super 1. He's going to be funneled catches.

But, like, in terms of explosive value and score and touchdowns, he's not necessarily what you want in terms of like a field structure or dynamic, wide receiver one. He's kind of a low ceiling player. 30, which is my comment for him, you know, kind of overall is Julian Edelman. Edelman's one of the best slot players that you've seen.

He's a quarterback's best friend. He understands, like, you know, the aspect of the game. He's got that detail to him. He's tough. He can block. And then, like, because of his wiggle and because of his feeling, because of his feel, he can create explosive plays.

I think that element's a good barometer for like, okay, he was definitely a good receiver. Everybody who tried to make Hall of Fame cases for him one time. He caught a lot of passes. We were all like, no, no, no, no, relax. That was a boring Super Bowl. There had to be something to talk about. Right. Like, he's just a good slot who caught a lot of passes with it with a quarterback who worked really well with him.

I think that that's a good, like, you know, middle, ground for where Smith and Jigma might end up. 40 for me as a Monraa St. Brown, which is a comment that you saw a lot when people thought he was going to run really slow because the Monrault St. Brown has developed into this awesome move receiver for the Lions. He's been such a valuable tough piece over the middle of the field, but he just wasn't fast. That's why he was a fourth round pick. Smith and Jigua is clearly faster and clearly more dynamic.

I don't think he's nearly as tough. I don't think he's nearly as physical. I don't think he's nearly the same tackle breaker. Oh, so he's soft. He's not soft. But Amonara St. Brown is uniquely, giftedly tough dude. And that's the thing that to me, like, has to be. His dad was Mr. Universe. acknowledged.

Yeah, like, like, a Monarche St. Brown doesn't give a hoot about getting hit. And that's a very important thing for a slot receiver. And so the Jigua just doesn't play at that size of that toughness. It's what makes St. Brown so impressive. Now, my 50, I have yet to say this out loud anywhere. Yes, because I know it's problematic. And it's going to get me in trouble.

And people are going to be like, you're competent. People you shouldn't be compliment him to. With that said, people love to be. like, oh, Jackson Smith, the Jigba is like Justin Jefferson. Like, he was just out of the slide. He's not the fast. No, no, no. He doesn't play like Justin Jefferson. He doesn't look like Justin Jefferson. He plays like Cooper Cup. He's a little smaller. There you go. There we go. He's a little smaller. People forget, Cooper Cup's true 6-2. It's been the jigba's just a little bit over six foot.

But in terms of like quarterback friendliness, in terms of consistent hands, in terms of like always open, in terms of coverage recognition, there are absolutely 100% times where you watch Jackson Smith and Jigba. And you go to yourself, wow, that looks like that. like the way the Cooper Cup runs those routes. That looks like the way he plays. It's just like he's always moving faster than defenders think. He's always got a little bit more of an angle. And he's got the ability to make a clean tackle into a glancing blow and then fall forward for two yards to pick up the first down.

He just gets it. So if everything about Smith and Jigba hits, he's a Cooper Cupish player. Ball player. I'm in. I'm in. That's all. I'm in. I'm in.

I'm in. I'm in. That's how you sell it, baby. Land on the Cooper Cup. I feel like I failed the Jordan. Mattisid on this one, even though I think he's a good player. I like JASN more. I think JASN has

a higher ceiling, higher floor. I just think he's a, like, basically as Ben laid out, he's a ball player. He's just good. He's good at football. Ball playing Jesse. So I like that. The Cooper Cup isn't wild. How thick is JASN? So he's six foot and then at the combine, he came in at like 196,

I want to say. Yeah, 6'5-8-196. I bet you he's more like 6 foot 190 when he plays, which again, cup is taller and bigger, right? So you're a little bit, you know, Mario after getting hit by a cup here. You know, you're getting a little, you're shrinking the size down from Cup. And if you're wondering, you can go to NFLDraft.orgher.com. We're in DK's scouting reports. You got the height, the weight. Wow. And in fact, I believe D.K says he's got, let's see here, pull up the scouting

report. Smith and Jagba plays the smooth, effortless style, showcasing body control. What's your comp for him, D.K.? Thanks, Ivan. I put Amon Rae St. Brown. Amon Rae, yeah. So, again, like, if he really truly hits, then, like, he's got that potential to be like an Amon Rae St. Brown, like a Cooper Cup, where you're your team's primary target,

primary third down getter, primary touchdown getter, operating from the slot and from the outside, which there's not really a bona fide wide receiver one in this class. So that's a compelling case. It takes Smith and Jigua early, in my opinion. I just love guys like this looking at the comps, like Cooper Cups and Monarch. These are just like real, like, gamers, contributors, like third down, like gritty. They don't pass.

like the athleticism test, but when they're on the field, they're actually just like awesome. Good at football. Good at football. Like me seeing like a Marquis Brown or in Darnell Moody types compared to like Julian Edelman of Monra, I would take Edelman and Amonara 10 out of 10 over those other guys. Speaking of which, D.K., next up.

Yeah. Let's talk about Jalen Hyatt, receiver out of Tennessee. This year's Bolitnikov winner. Truly, truly productive and incredibly explosive. Let's see here. Let's pull this up. Craig, Craig is just like, listen, you better be opening every scally

report with high weight arm length length, wingspan. I think it's a good table setter. NFL draft out the rear.com. Craig. This guy, he's very skinny, Craig. Let's just put this out there. He's six foot 176. So he's on the shrimp spectrum again.

He's a small guy. He's very skinny. This is the guy Mr. Potato headed with Kevin Durant's limbs, right? It looks that way. He actually didn't measure out with the super long arms, but he looked like his frame,

I feel like, makes it look like he is really long. Like he's got really, he's high cut, so he's got really long, like he's a leggy guy. And then he just has the go-go gadget arms at the catch light. So he actually ended up having 32 and a half-inch arms, which is very standard.

But I thought, like, he just looks and plays like he has really long levers. So let's see here. Let's pull up my comp. I'm going to start with the top. This is the elite comp, and you guys can take it or leave it. Wait, you're starting at 50?

Yeah, I'm starting at 50. This is a stealing comp. Like if D.K. Metcalf had never seen a weight room. I think stylistically and role-wise, as a field stretcher who starts out basically running one route and stretching a defense and winning at the catchpoint, I think he could be a D.K. Metcalf-esque style player. Obviously, he's not nearly as muscular or huge. But in the role that he's going to be asked to play early in his career, which is run this route and do it well, I think he can do that. And then over the years, I think he could develop into a more nuanced and, you know, well-rounded, Routherunner, kind of like D.K. Metcalf has over the last few years.

So that would be- I just wrote down emaciated D.K. Metcalf. There you go. Here's the thing about D.K. Metcalfe, if he hadn't seen a wait-room, D.K., he'd be bad. He wouldn't be good. He'd be a bad player. That's not true. Do you think he win?

I don't think D.K. Metcalf wins because he's super, like, tough and physical. I think he wins because he's explosive. Okay, that is fair, because D. Okay, that is fair, because D. does play soft a little bit. Yeah. Refraise. D.K.'s not actually

like that good at the catch point. Like honestly. Refraise. Refraise. Refraise. If D.K. Beck-Kaff hadn't seen a weight room, I wouldn't love him as much.

So think about that. Okay. See, that's fair. But just imagine D.K. Metcalfe like in zero gravity for like, I don't know,

you know, whatever. So, look, you hit a soft spot because me and D.K.'s father both tell D. D.K. Sometimes he's D. D. D.K. is overrated.

And D. D. D.K. gets apoplectic. Yeah. D.K. I have a running. Danny Kelly.

Okay, cool. I have a running fight with my dad because my dad doesn't like D.K. Back, Kaff. We don't talk about it anymore.

It's too, it's, you know. Too raw. Yeah. All right. So anyways. 40 for Chalyn Hyatt out of 50.

So the 40 is Will Fuller with a back to tank. In other words, if Will Fuller could stay healthy, that was a Star Wars joke for anyone out there.

Come on. You gotta know that one, guys. I don't know that one. Just watch the book Obamette. Come on. Be a ring your employee.

There's like 50 Star Wars shows now. I don't have the time. God damn. They're just beating a shit out of that dead horse. All right. And then 30.

Paul Richardson with a back to tank. 20 is a old guy. Paul Richardson is the average likely outcome. Paul Richardson, if you could stay healthy.

Yes. 20. Oh God. I'm getting worried. Hyatt will always be hurt. 10. John Ross. Fuck.

Wait, wait. Who was 20? I missed 20. Oh God, I'm worried Hyatt will always be hurt. I don't know. Oh, that's it. There's no cop.

Yeah. Stream of consciousness. John Ross, fuck. Yeah. So anyways, speedsters. Paul Richardson, you may remember, got like a huge second deal. He wasn't like shitty, shitty, but like... Five years, $40 million in the Washington Commanders.

I have the details memorized because of how amazing that deal was. The reason I bring up Richardson, though, is because he was very, very explosive. Obviously, my Seahawks took him in the second round. and immediately they had to like rationalize with the fans because he was like six foot or whatever he was, 160 something pounds, like just rail, real thin. And so they immediately started talking about like Marvin Harrison,

some of these really skinny guys over, you know, history. And he just never panned out. He was never that good. And he always hurt. So anyways, I'm not saying that Hyatt, I would, and I'd be more inclined to think he's like a Will Fuller type

than a Paul Richardson type. So when you say Will Fuller, healthy Will Fuller is like Kirkland Costco brand Randy Moss. Do you mean like steroid Will Fuller or non-steroid Looped up hamstrings? You heard healthy and your thought was steroid? Will Fuller, to add context to the Will Fuller thing.

If Will Fuller was healthy, he is, I don't know if he's necessarily a super high volume pass catcher, but he's a type of guy who fundamentally changes the way your offense runs and the way that defenses have to defend you. If you looked at the numbers back in the day with Will Fuller when he was on the, the field versus when he wasn't on the field in terms of Deshawn Watson's stats.

Like obviously he was changing the whole offense because, you know, he's basically shifting the way the defense has to defend you. And so that's the context of how I'm looking at this. Like I think that's a type of player, Hyatt's upside could be. But I don't know if he's necessarily ever going to be like a super high volume pass catcher if that makes any sense. I'm worried about C.D. Lamb every time he catches a pass getting injured and C.D. times like 6-2-200.

This guy's 6-foot 175. I'm telling you, small people. I'm not even kidding. Did these kids not lift weights during the pandemic in college football? How are all these receivers in the 170s? This is insane. We're talking about first-round receivers.

All 170-something something. Yeah, it's because, like, offenses have never been better at getting players open. And so now you can be smaller and play wide receiver because you have to play through last contact. You'll get hit in college football anymore.

Like Jordan, just watch football anymore. Edward Addison's film at Pitt. And you're like, oh, like, they're just going to do everything they can to get this very small, very fast man, the ball where there are no other people. Wondell Robinson at Kentucky, two, two, Atwell, Louisville. Jaylon Hyatt, Tennessee, run in the choice offense, right? They put him in the back of a stack so it can't get pressed.

Then they say, hey, go outrun somebody. Like, we've just gotten so good at maximizing athletes at the receiver position. They now dudes who previously had body types that put them at corner, put them at running back, right, stuff like that. Like, now they actually get to play wide receiver. Do we have a big person? Quentin Johnson, TCU. Can we do a big person? Yes, big fella. I'm a big fan of Quinn Johnson.

Now, figuring out where, figuring out how to mock him is tough. Because Quinn Johnson, who, high weight for Craig, he is 6 foot two and he came into the combine. I got you. I love that you said, you said, you figured out how to mock draft, but figuring out how to mock him is tough, like you wanted to make fun of him. Right. He's a very difficult kind of bully. No, he's a hard to figure landing spot. He's 6-2, 6-3, and then he came in at 208. He's got a huge wingspan, 96 percentile, 91st percentile arm length, 93 percentile vertical jump, 97 percentile broad jump. So he's got this big, long frame, and he's got these explosive jumps, and he just isn't as good getting the ball in the air as you want him to be, right?

Like, people come from to T. Higgins, I just cannot get there on that. One of the names I actually have down is D.K. Metcalfe. I have as his, like, 33, 35-ish comp, where it's like, he's not as big as D.K., so he's not going to be as good, like, you know, winning, like, tough catches over the middle of the field and, like, taking on hits on, like, in-breaking routes. But they both have that same problem where, like, catch technique-wise, you're like, man, just catch the, just jump and catch the football. And they're like, watch this, turn it, get tore my body, bucket catch. Like, no, no, no, just stick your hands out. Yeah.

Learn how to catch the football. And so, but then the weird exchange that he's very, very good after the catch, right? Like, he, six, three, two, ten, like, right, like, Mike Evans, Mike Williams, no. Like he's not, he's not that type. It's actually really good running with the ball on his hand. So he's a hard guy to figure out Coms Force. With that said, the 10 to me is Hakeem Butler. Twitter, NFL drafts are fell in love with a high-

Do you have to bring him up again. A high-weight speed receiver out of Iowa State in 2018, and then he went the fourth round of the Cardinals and totally sucked. And there's a chance for doing those. He's killing it in the XFL right now. Is he? Congrats to Hakee. I think I saw that.

My 20 comp is Mac Hollins, right? We think about Mac as like a special team's core guy. He wasn't great with the Eagles when they first got him. Like dolphins, he wasn't good, whatever. And then also with the Raiders, he's starting to come along. He's learning how to use his body better. He's generally uses his explosiveness. He can catch down the field.

And then he can run a little bit, right? He's got actual speed in a big frame. For context, so like Matt Collins was the guy that on waivers this year in fantasy football. We all refused to acknowledge that he existed. D.K. personally despises Matt Collins. People tag me in Matt Collins tweets still. Max can have this nice, like 60 catch, 700 yards, six touchdowns. down season for the Falcons coming up. I'm looking forward to it.

The comment that I really like for Quinn Johnston is Martavis Bryant. That's what I got. Yeah. And Martavis, he had productive seasons. He had a thousand-yard receiving season. He had off-the-field stuff that led to suspensions. It was an irregular developmental track. He wasn't able to stay on the field. And then he eventually flamed out of the league. So Martavis Bryant, without off-field concerns, I think is a good paradigm for a guy in Quinn Johnson, who is big, wins weird. weirdly after the catch and doesn't win downfield as much.

So I have Martavis is my 30. Actually, just below that, 25, I have Chase Claypooled above that 35 that I have DK. Metcalfs. Somewhere in this range of like, big dudes who are not as good down the field as they should be.

Now, when it comes to high-end comps, if Quinn Johnson learns how to get better down the field, if a coach coaches him up catch technique-wise and gets him better attacking the ball in the air, you're looking at like 40 Mike Williams, then 50. I have D'Andre Hopkins.

You're looking at a full-fledged, wide receiver one. he's got, he's got, he's got, like, crazy, like, catch radius. He can make insane catches up in the air and away from his body the way that Hopkins does. Like, he has that. She's not consistent. So he's the sort of guy where, like, the 10 to 30 comps I really try to keep, like, reasonable. Like, I think this guy is more of, like, a gadget piece than he is a true wide receiver one.

But there's a light bulb here where if it goes off and he kind of gets it in terms of using his body to box out down the field to win these jump balls, those ceiling jumps really, really fast. So I have him ranked quite highly, and he's the sort of dude where like if my wide receiver coach were really banging the table for him, it's like, I can fix this guy. I'd take a lot of credence in that because you can get a lot of return on investment. If you can just figure out his catch technique, his ball tracking a little bit better down the field, he suddenly becomes a three level threat with like insanely good yak and a big body. That's a very dangerous player. But isn't he a little, well, I guess my only confusion is you're saying that his, Quentin Johnson's main problem is that he doesn't reach up to get the ball. And I think of DeAndre Hopkins is the best person on jump balls of the last like 10 years.

So it's like, is that actually in the range of outcomes for him? So I would say like, yes, because one of the reasons why I took Hopkins is because people always watch Hopkins playing go like, oh, he's like 65, 22. He's not, right? Hopkins is 6-2. He's under 6-2, right? It was Quinn Johnson. He looks like when he's running.

He looks like he's 6-4 when he jumps because he had a great, it's huge vertical. He looks like he's nine feet tall. He's really not that big. It's just the ball tracking with Hopkins is elite. the ball tracking with Clinton Johnston really good. He finds the ball very, very well. Hopkins knows how to use his body and how to use his hands to address the ball

before the corner of the safety can get involved. Johnson doesn't know how to do that. So you take the best downfield catches from Johnston, it looks like Hopkins. It's just, for him it's much more so luck right now. Hopkins is much more so something he built out. So I don't mind using it as the comp because the body types are similar.

It's just like, yeah, he's probably not going to end up there. That's why it's the 50. But if you end up getting a Martavis, Brian, D.K. Metcalfe field stretcher, plus the guy you can use underneath who then, you know, creates a little 30, 40 plus yard gain. It's good value. Yeah, the ceiling is really what's attractive, I think about Quinn Johnson, because, I mean, he vertical jumped 40 and a half, broad jumped 11 to. He's in the 95th percentile in both at, at, you know, whatever he is, six foot three, 208, which is what he measured in at the combine. he's just a ridiculous ridiculous athlete and there's so much potential there to develop into more if he kind of just becomes a better actual receiver you know what I mean like the physical potential

is elite. All right next up D.K. I've got another small guy. Josh Downs, North Carolina. Craig, I'm not playing to my crowd here, Craig. I should have picked all the big guys. This is such a bad thing because I have two small guys left and D.K. is going to steal all the small guy coms and I have nobody left to use.

By the way, Josh Downs is five foot. 9-171. And I don't know what's worse that he's basically the same weight as Jalen Hyatt, even though he's like three or four inches shorter, that he's 5-9-1-70. He's tiny.

Here's the thing that Ben, to speak to what you just said. When you're going on mock draftable and looking up like athleticism slash size comps for Josh Downs, like six out of the 10 guys that came up as comps for him are in this class.

It's a tiny class. Like it's very weird. You got all these guys, and you're going to talk about Tyler Scott, I think, later. So he's another that's like really, really small guy. We got Trey Tucker. We've got Tank Dell.

All these guys are like 160, 170 pounds. It's crazy. But Josh Downs is, I think, another very interesting one. He's probably going to be primarily in the slot. So like I had to think of a lot of slot receivers, but he's really explosive. That's sort of where he, I think, differentiates himself a little from the rest of the class, is that he, both in vertical jump and broad jump, he showed a lot of lower body explosiveness.

He does that on tape. He goes up and he'll mothed guys in the air. He's really good at the catch point. He plays bigger than his listed size, I would say. But there's going to be limitations because he is so small. So I'll start out with the low, low end comp. And high fits, no offense, but I thought of, like, Richie James or insert any generic slot receiver that you pick up for two weeks in fantasy in November.

How dare you disparate? is Rishi James in this way. So a great punt returner who's going to drop all the important third downs. Right. And he's going to be like a fantasy guy. He's going to be like a fantasy darling for like two or three weeks out of the season. My single most profitable player prop bet on this year was Ritchie James. That's amazing.

That's stretch in which he was the only receiver on the Giants. And every book was like over under three and a half catches. The best month of my life. Incredible. My 30 comp for him. So like right in the mid range, what I'm, I think the most realistic one. is like Elijah Moore, or the idea of Lysha Moore

before he started losing snaps to Braxton Berrios, that one stretch of time when he was a rookie when he was catching everything, that's kind of like what I envisioned for Josh Downs. The 40 comp,

Hunter Renfro at 1.8X speed. So like just a more explosive, faster version of Hunter Renfro, I think you could catch like 100 passes if he was in the right system. And then 50, this is like the elite elite, probably not super realistic,

but I absolutely, this is an elite elite player, Greg Dorch. Just going to get Dorched out there. George! Just kidding. It would probably be more like T.Y. Hilton or something.

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Greg Dorsh is which number out of 50? It was a joke, Craig. All right. I love Greg Hilton. Yeah. Okay. Hylton's a very common comp for downs.

I like him more for one of my guys. I actually comped a different guy to T.Y. Hilton in my actual draft guide. This is a huge year for T.Y. Hilton. Because all these small receivers, people are like, man, they're good down the field, explosiveness, who has been good and not injured that's like that? And the only guy is T.Y. Hilton. So everybody, just, wait, T.Y. Hylid.

Zay Flowers, T.Y. Hillan. Everybody's T.Y. Hylid, baby. We're living. So any thoughts on Josh Downs? Or is that just, Greg Dorch doesn't do it for you? To be honest, it's kind of hard to generate new original thoughts because all these guys kind of sound the same. Right. Like, I don't know what questions to ask this time around,

because we've already done like three guys who seem kind of just like this. You know what I mean? Why is Jordan Addison so much better than Josh Downs? Addison can play on the outside and I think he did primarily. Downs, I think, could be, in theory he could be a Z and move around

but he is much more of a slot type player, I would say, going forward. Can I answer that question as well? Yes. He's not my wider receiver 3, which is A Flowers. My wider receiver 4, which Jordan Addison, my Yager 5, which is Josh Downs,

are all just like, same tier, same tier slash maybe same exact person. And that's why I like when hype it says like, is this around one guy? I'm like, well, maybe in a vacuum. But in this class, no, because I'm just going to wait and see how I can get later. So we're basically saying that whereas in the past, it's like there's been a bunch of first run receivers because teams are coming into the 20s to kind of like get guys. And like obviously second round receivers have been really good. This year, teams might actually wait because there's such a big middling.

like on a stat like group of just they're all roughly the same that maybe these guys are like it'll be Jackson Smith and jigba and quentin johnson and jordan addison the first and then a bunch of teams guys that teams are just going to wait and go get yeah i think that right there's redundancy here which makes it um more going to be more of like uh okay first who's your flavor like who do you like right you have to try to figure out who the other teams like do they are they a zay team are they a team or they and addison team but then also like if yeah if you look back in some of these past classes. Like last year, man, like talk about the

variety we had when you went from like Drake London and his size Chris Olive and his smoothness, Jameson Williams and his downfield speed, right? Like you just had a dude for everybody, right? Like it was just there was... Trailin Berks is out there, yeah. Yeah, Traylon, who was built like a linebacker.

Like it was a crazy top of the first round class. This year, it's, it's, uh, I mean I used this meme actually. It made me laugh. It's a bit stuck in my head. You know the one where it's, it's master splinter walking with the baby turtles and it's like he's walking with them

and then eventually they become super big she just used the first half of the meme when it's Master Splinter walking with the baby turtles and it was just Clinton Johnson was Master Splinter

and all the tiny turtles were like Zay Flowers, Jordan Addison Josh Downs because that's the class right? You have this one enormous dude who's not good

at being enormous and then everybody else is just really small and that's what we're dealing with right now in the class it's not nearly as variegated that's incredible wow

so why don't we do this of the guys remaining can we just go through I think we have like four or five guys left here to hit. Which one do you think has the best chance of being kind of the biggest outlier, the actual winner of this group? So I have Zay Flowers, who's my next guy above, like I said, he's my wide receiver three. And I have a couple names who I haven't mentioned yet, because I am enamored with Zay. Like, if there's a receiver with whom I'm ready to be

like irresponsible and be like, he's the next insert name I should not use here as a company, Zay Flowers. Antonio Brown. Zay lives. They played Boston College. All right. Zay terrorized ACC corners. They were just kids at Duke having nightmares, sweats for a week thinking about covering Zay flowers. And Zay came back for a senior year. All these guys thought they were going to be done. And Zay came back to 2021 to catch passes, quote, unquote,

from Phil Yerkovich and Emmett Moorhead. Catch passes here is an operative term because it implies the passes are catchable. It implies that the throws have arrived where the receiver is, which just doesn't happen on Zay's film. Flowers might be like insanely good. Flowers might be incredible. Like the film is awesome, the smoothness, the explosiveness, the body control.

Like when I, if you ask me what separates him from Addison, it is absolutely how well he carries explosives just through his cuts, gets down to feel. Like twitchy. With just complete no loss of momentum. He is a joy to watch. Zay Flowers is going to be a sick 11 minute YouTube highlight reel for like, you know, for his career for people to watch like 20 years down the road back. Dude, watch this guy move. Like, this is crazy. So Zayflauer is all speed run them.

At 10, I have KJ Hamler, right? And then I have like this like middling area of like Jahan Dotson, Darnow Mooney, Elijah Moore, T.Y Hilton, which to me, like the most T.Y. Hilton guy in this class is actually Zayflowers. That's one where I actually have T. Byte Houghton down for. But my 50 and my 47 are respectively Jalen Waddle and Chris Olave. Like, oh, wow.

I don't, he's not going to become Waddle. He's not Waddle. I know he's not Waddle. Obviously, he can't be Waddle. Nobody can be Waddle. If you missed your potato head at Jill and Waddle and OLAV. The thing with Waddle is like, thank you for using that verb.

Yeah. I don't think, like, Waddle's acceleration is like, I would say it's one of one, but the other guy who also does it in the league. It's also on his team, Tyree Kill. So it's one of two. But just like the 0 to 60 on Waddle's untouched. Flowers doesn't have that.

But there are reps from flowers that remind me so much of Chris Alave. where you're like, oh, man, like, this guy knew he was going to get open against this corner seven seconds ago. And he's just playing with his food. I mean, he's just hitting steps and routes and changing directions and turning heads and just putting it again, like it's like an and one mix tape. Like there is a smoothness and a there's no loss of momentum. He just can snap everything off and can turn on a dime. There's a control to flowers that is extremely professional and very dangerous.

And so those high-end comps to me, like, there are guys where you just kind of write the name down on the margin when you're watching this film, you're like, this reminds me that one post route, Waddle ran in Alabama, and then you like scratch it out because you don't want anybody to see it. That's how Zay Flowers makes me feel. I don't even think it's that wild to say this.

He's almost exactly the same size as Jalen Waddle. J.O., Waddle measured in it, well, 59-180. Zay-Flower is 5-9-182. Flowers ran a 4-4-2, which is, I think the main difference between Waddle and Flowers. Like, Waddle has... Waddle has more long speed, but Flowers ran a one, four, nine, 10-yard split, which is elite. Like, that is jitterbug quick.

Like, he is so fast, like, out of his breaks. So why did he go to Boston College? I don't remember. He's like, he's like, by all reports, Zay is an incredible kid who, like, very strongly believes in, like, you know, doing what he's committed to whatever. He's a three-star recruits. He wasn't that highly recruited. Is this boss, did Zay Flowers is the one who went to the Shrine Bowl instead of the senior ball? Because he had committed to the Shrine Bowl.

Yep. And so it just basically it's like he's a very loyal person. It was basically his answer of why he didn't go to the senior ball. He committed to it a long time ago. I imagine he's going to be a first round pick. He'll be the first Shriner who's a first round pick in quite some time. Everything that I heard at the Combine from multiple different people was that it's either going to be Jackson Smith and Jigmore, Zay Flowers, who are the first receiver picked in the draft.

And he was playing as a freshman, first team all ACCC is a sophomore. 2021 is a junior. is on the Blintikoff Award list, has a great season, and then goes back for a senior year. Which, like, nobody does this, man. After all this, I think I'm moving him up to my wide receiver, too. Zay.

He is really good. The other fun fact about Zayflowers, 13 siblings. What? What? 13 siblings. That is just incredible. New comp, 50, cheaper by the dozen.

40. I don't know any other. references to families of as many kids. John and Kate Plus 8. Remember that show? Anybody? Yeah? No? No? Not at all. I remember it. I come to him to Brandon Cooks, which I think, you know,

I actually kind of like to Waddle one, but a lot more. But like similar style player, like very explosive, twitchy, you know, sudden is the word I keep thinking of when I see Zayflowers. He's a first generation college student. He said, I wanted to get a degree

from my family, be the first to graduate. from college as well. Boston is the complete opposite of Florida. My dad wanted me to go somewhere I could get a good education. He chose Boston College. It's a good school. Interesting. And then he went for four years to get his degree. He's a, I like me some dayflowers. He's a good little player.

You're convincing me. I like this too. 13 is almost enough kids to like incorporate your own college. It's like Philip Rivers would be proud. He can play against a full defense of his siblings at home. That's always so good. He's been practicing against 12 people. He's been watching. defensive install from 11 of his

12 siblings. He literally has enough for him a quarterback and then a full defense. That's amazing. Oh my God. Okay. So, wait, so, Dika, you think say you're going to have Smith and Jigba be a number one receiver and you're going to move say Flowers you think up to number two? I think, yes.

I had Addison as my second, but I mean, I was waffling on it before we had this conversation and Ben basically convinced me. I think it, but it makes a lot of sense. Like, where he wins, he's a little bit thicker. And by the way, he's gained, I think, like five or six pounds, seven pounds since the season of like muscle. So he's shown the ability to bulk up a little bit, which I don't know if any of these

other guys can literally actually do. So there's that too. There's just a lot of convincing arguments, I think, for him. Wait, hold on, hold on. Jordan Addison has nine siblings. Whoa. Wow. Okay.

So it's a small class with a lot of siblings. We got to chart this now. Wide receiver weight on the X axis, number of siblings on the Y axis. Let's find us a correlation. I'm going to try a bigger player this time since I've been basically dealing with the smalls before. I'm going with A.T. Perry from Wake Forest. I think he is such an interesting guy to me

because he hasn't really gotten much hype during this process, but he is one of the bigger and more, I'd say more physical. He's not super physical, but more physical players in this class. First off, Ben, where are you set on A.T. Perry? I'm a fan. Again, like I said it was.

Zay all the time, smooth, smooth, smooth, smooth. And you watch AG pair and you're like, oh, so smooth. It's just he's enormous. He's not nearly like that, that caliber of a mover. But there's that sensation that you get when you were watching, like, I don't know, is you get one like, like Michael Pittman coming out of USC, Drake London coming out of USC where you're like, ooh, the big man, you know, wiggle a little bit.

And that's always fun when you get a player like that. Yeah. So here's my, here's my group. Here's my 50 shades. I'm going to start out with like at the low end, Denzo Mims, who was a very athletic, bigger guy, just has not panned out in the NFL. Free Denzel Mims, man.

Still believe if he gets out of New York, he's going to be all right. My number 30, he just signed with the Panthers, actually, is DJ Chark. Again, a longer guy with some explosive just down the field, smooth, good body control.

Number 40 is the player that Craig thinks Devante Parker is. So, like, the good version of Devante Parker. Craig's nodding. I'm in. I love that. And then my 50 is, this is probably stupid. I probably should have had Devonte Parker at 50,

but my 50 is like if George Pickens had an older brother. Wow, I'm so in on this guy. You're really tearing this to me. Older here being bigger or order being like more mature, not like George Pickens. Literally older. And I don't know about the like maturity level, but he is literally two years older than George Pickens.

There you go. George Pickens is 21, AT Perry's 23. He's a senior. So obviously there's some differences there But I think stylistically I like the cop actually And I looked up the RAS, the RAS, last night It was like almost identical

They're essentially the same athlete The RAS? The relative athletic score It's a like a It's a weighted system where they take You know their 40, their weight height And all that stuff and like spit out a So DK you waited all show

To come at me with a guy who you comp To Denzel Mims to Bonte Parker And George Pickens Are you fucking kidding me? No in the audience, DK. Look, you can't just win at the beginning, man. I'm saving the best for last year. What is the 60 out of 50 Cadarius Tony?

Just playing all the hits. Who else do you love? That's my top four. 18 is such an interesting acronym. I don't know if I've ever met or heard of it. What is his actual? His name's Atorian, A-T-O-R-A-N, which I'm not going to lie, that's a pretty sick name. It's fucking badass.

So, yes, that's another reason to like this guy. But Big Pig, picture. He is a taller, bigger receiver with a really good body control. I think he has buildup speed to get down the field. He has big play potential. How tall we talking? He's like 6.3, I believe. And he's a little, he's a little tall and skinny. Like, again, he's not a 225 pound guy. He's like 208 or something like that. But he uses his size well. I think he's really good at concentrating at the catch point. He reels in some wild catches. Yeah, he has that big playability. I just really like him. I think he's a kind of a forgotten name in this class, but he could go in the third round and play early in his career.

It'd be a pretty good player. He's, yeah, he's the guy where like everybody watches him like online, loves him, and then the NFL just doesn't seem super interested. I think there's like a dime a dozen theory with that. But like in terms of big guys who have good movement skills, he's one of a few. You know what I'm saying? He's not a plotter by any stretch, which is nice to see. And he's super productive because Wake Forest. Yeah, he had 15 touchdowns in 2021, which led the country. His nose dropped off a little bit. Yeah. He just casually dropped at the end. He led the country in touchdowns. Why is Wikipedia so wrong with these measurements? Wikipedia says he's 6.5. Well, that's probably what he was the best of.

He probably edited it for himself. Yeah, the Wikipedia information is going to be off of the team bios, which the team bios are made for lying. Who do you think the most famous player in the draft is we can edit their Wikipedia their size? Like Bryce Young's definitely going to be like locked or something. Or like, would be immediately correct. That one's on their vigil.

with that one. But like we could, like there's got to be a receiver like, like, A.T. Perry, could we make him like seven? Can we make Josh Downs like six three instead of five, nine?

Yeah, I think we could. To get some NFL TikTokers going bananas. Just being like, Josh Downs is so huge. People don't realize, he's so underrated. Somebody edited fairly Dickinson's Wikipedia page when they beat Purdue

for like five minutes and it was like Purdue's daddy or something like that. It's a banger. Very Dickinson. So just to button this up, Who's your favorite receiver among this group? Not necessarily going to be the best.

I just want each you to just say, who's your favorite player in this group? My favorite is Jackson Smith and Jigba. Yeah, it's just like, like D.K. He's just a football player. He's just so much fun to watch. With that said, throw on some Zayflowers against Louisville. Throw some Zayflowers against Duke.

Have yourself a good time watching that future first rounder just terrorize these defenses. You got to say, the Zayflowers propaganda in this pot was really convincing to me. I'm very excited about Zayflowers. now. More excited than I was even coming in. Cheaper. Can I throw out, I want to throw out one more comp that I came out, came up with for a guy that we're not talking about today, but I

just thought it was too perfect. Jaden Reed from Michigan State. Ben, have you watched Jaden Reed? Yes, at the Senior Bowl. I told you that you have Jaden Reed too low. I've been telling me about for four months. You may have I see Jaden Reed. Jaden Reed is awesome. First players I texted you about. I'm very upset.

Anyway, he's awesome, as Ben would attest. As I convinced Ben at the Senior Bowl around then. he so my ceiling count for him is Tyler Lockett if he didn't turn into a fainting goat as soon as he catches the football wait the goats faint

okay have you never seen one of the fainting yeah there's fainting there's goats that faint when they hear like a loud noise or if you clap or something they'll just like stiffen up and fall over that's what Tyler like it's like it's like the possum thing like play dead like it's like an instinct

they're just like yeah yeah and they just go down pointing goat, Hyfitz. Yeah, it's actually great. I'm watching videos right now. Anyway, he doesn't, he doesn't fall down immediately. Well, this goat does look just like Tyler Lockett when he catches the ball.

Thank you. Yes. Maybe it was a better visual. I should have just tweeted it. Maybe I still will. Tyler Locket without narcolepsy. Yeah. It just falls down immediately.

Wait, who is this like a Jane and Reed? Michigan State. And Michigan State. I have Locket down for Reed as well. It's a, it's that one, like it's high end, but that makes sense. Reed is my, my, my God. in the middle rounds. And then Cedric Tillman,

the wider supervisor of Tennessee is my guy in the middle rounds. Who Craig, Cedric Tillman reminds me of like, Devonte Parker fused with Cadarius Tony. Like, it's just kind of like, wow.

Okay, now we're just pandering. No, uh, Cedric Tillman to me is like, uh, if you took Michael Gallup, like pre injury and just beefed him up a little bit,

just took that, that guy was just so good physically, so good in the air, so good possession wise, making the tough catches. Then he's strapped on a few more pounds. Tillman was banged up in 20, 22, ankle injury was never healthy.

Go watch you some 2021, Cedric Tillman, Alabama and Georgia. Ooh, baby, that man can play. Tillman is very fun. I think if I had to put a name right now where like, oh, this guy goes top 50 and everybody is stunned. Like, nobody thought the Liam is highly.

I would bet Tillman above everybody else. He's the exact sort of league likes. It's not a shrimp. He knows how to use it. He's big and he is a bully. He had a touchdown catch against Georgia this year where he's just like standing still in the end zone and the corner's like scrambling to get him around him

and he's just feet rooted in the ground. Oh, he's big. I love him. Can I just say this is a great crop of wide receiver names? This is much better than last year's class. We got great names across the board here. Quentin Johnson's great name. Even JSN's cool. Jordan Addison.

Zay Flowers. Cedric Tillman? Great names. That's a good one. I like Marvin Mims. Marvin Mims. A.T. Perry. Incredible.

A.T. Andre Yosevas. That one's good. Tank Dell. Yeah. Right. Teng Dell is unreal. Michael Wilson.

Well, Jake Bobo. Shut up, Michael Wilson. Michael Wilson's going to be a mid-rounder just because his name's Michael Wilson. Joe and Gada. Yeah, it's a good name class. It's a very good point. I don't realize that. Dantavian wicks.

Puka Nakuha. Puka. Puka is good, too. Kishon Booty, Bouté, if you will. It's definitely booty. I know. This guy named Kishon ass And it didn't come up to like the 12th name of all the good names of the receivers

Oh my god Are she right? Go to NFLdraft.org.com We got mock draft board, Dkays scouting reports, everything. Go to NFLdraft.orghumor.com. Emails. Let's do it. Emails.

Or email? Email. Yeah, thank you. Owen. Owen. Owen. Owen. Just writing many emails like this.

Just writing to say, props to the fighting Craig Colbeck, San Diego State for taking it to Bama. South Dakota State could never do that. We've established who the superior SDSU is.

I think it was already established, but thank you, Owen. Do you guys have a thing? Is there a thing? No, they're just both SDSU. No, no, you know, it's just annoying to see the acronym

on screen in my name. What was it like watching your team make the final four? I mean, to be honest, it's just like pure, just like pure genuine joy. There's nothing better than, because like, to be, to have, you know, a Sweet 16 is what I was hoping for.

I was hoping we could get past Charleston, thought we were going to play Virginia, and then we'd get to Bama. And I was like, you know what, a Sweet 16 is great. It's just, there's something special about going to a school that doesn't do stuff like this. I mean, Kai, our producer with the TCU, then making a national championship. Like, it's all gravy from here. It was all gravy starting in the Sweet 16. Like, after we beat Bama, I was like, I don't give a shit what happens.

We beat Creighton. I was like, I don't give a shit, what happens? now we're in the final four. If we lose, I love all these guys. It's just been so much fun. It's incredible. And I hope it really helps out the program, to be honest. And I think it will.

That's honestly kind of how we used to just pure joy. That's like how Dickie described as child being born. I mean, my child's middle name might be Aztec, depending on what happens on Saturday. Aztec's just tough to chant. What, what, like all I, the only chant I know for the... Is it? It's two syllables. It doesn't really.

Let's go off the TASTex. I mean, I don't know. No, you can make anything where I'm just saying, like, do you guys like have a thing? Do you have like a woo pig sui? Do you have like a roll tide? Do you have a green wave? Like, what do you got? We don't really have like a like a roll tide or anything like that.

We do the I believe chant. You know that I believe that we will win thing? It's very generic. Yeah. No, we don't really have like a specific saying per se. I like, I like specific sayings. And I don't, I think if I were a collector, the thing I would collect would be sayings for colleges, like how they root for their teams.

I just find them so funny. And I don't know any for San Diego State. It makes me sad. It's because they never do anything on television and now they're on TV. I can't imagine if my teammate the Final Four. I literally cannot imagine. I was reading for them on behalf of Craig and that was so nerve-wracking. I can't imagine if it was my team.

Yeah, it was excretioning. Weirdly, the Bama game was less stressful than the Creighton game. And that was against a guy who's going to be the top five pick in the NBA draft. These guys were great, the whole game. Creighton was, yeah, the ending was. was high-key stressful. Yes, a real drag-out, muddy game, which is SCSUs like whole M-O.

Not aesthetically, you know, great basketball. But when you're... No, we bring you down to our level. We drag you into the depths of hell and make you try to score 65 points. Go tax. Go tax. Go tax.

All right, we're going to go to. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Solek. Thank you, Kai, for producing this episode. Thank you to San Diego. go state. Are you guys going to win the Final Four? Yeah, we are. I think so. I don't know. I guess I'm so

superstitious like I don't want to jink. Do I say yes or no there? I feel like both ways it jinks is it. Don't answer it. There you go. Filibuster. Thank you, Lorne. The NFL just approved players can wear the number zero. Lorne. Whoa, really? Oh, my God. Everybody except for

offensive linemen and defensive linemen are now allowed to wear number zero. Punters and place kickers can now wear numbers 0 through 49 and 90 through 99. Okay. Who are the guys who should wear zero? Okay, so no lineman. Oh, no lineman.

Yeah, which makes it annoying. Should it be a cornerback? Because, like, all the receivers do one, but you're like in a racer? Yeah, they're probably going to, we're going to see a lot of that, I think. Jalen Ramsey. A back in zero is nice. I'll take a running back in zero. Yeah, I was going to say that too.

Are we going to see a quarterback take zero? Is Bryce Young going to be zero? I don't think if a quarterback takes zero, that's like a culture question mark. because it's a bad. He's not a leader. He can't leave men if you're taking zero. Do you remember zero from holes, though?

True. Zero from holes, an elite zero. Yeah. Anyway. Hector Zeroni. Full name. Yes,

that's correct. I just, I love that we know holes that well in the show. That's my only pop culture right there, is the holes. I've seen holes like 25 times, I think, in my life.

I'm tired of digging grandpa. Well, that's two-day men. I definitely have seen people, using that meme format. So I enjoy it. For D.K. It's just an extension of SpongeBob.

We should call DK. Mr. Sir only for the rest of this show's existence. Is that who that guy is? That's John Voight plays Mr. Sir. John Voight. And So Gourney Weaver, Shailabuff, it's a cast. It's a cast and a half.

Henry Winkler. Duley Hill. I can fix that. Rick Fox? Wow. Yeah. brick locks in it. Email us at ringer fantasy football at Gmail.com.

Do you have any thoughts on holes. All right. Goodbye, everyone.