The Ringer NFL Show - A Big Rams-Chiefs Trade, Daniel Jones Tagged, Kyler Landing Spots, DK's Mock Draft 3.0, and Dick Grapes

Episode Date: March 5, 2026

The guys break down a blockbuster trade that sends an All-Pro corner to the Rams and what it means for both teams’ roster strategies. They also discuss the Colts’ unusual transition tag decision on Daniel Jones, debate the upcoming free agency market, and examine why a Super Bowl MVP running back could still leave his team. (00:00) Intro (01:18) News (48:24) DK's Mock Draft 3.0 (01:19:32) Emails Discord link: https://discord.gg/Ge8bbYHrau Check out The Ringer’s 2026 NFL Draft Guide: https://theringer.com/nfl-draft/2026/big-board#content Email us! [e-mail] Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Austin Gayle, Abou Kamara, Carlos Chiriboga, and Cameron Dinwiddie Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ringer Fantasy Football Show, aka the Ringer NFL Draft Show. My name is Danny Highfield. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horlebeck. Craig's on his phone. He's an insider here for the Ringer NFL draft show. I'm talking to people. You never know when news is going to drop, but my ear is on the ground. When Craig has his mock 1.0 the week of the draft, we're going to get Craig two phones

for that episode. And then, DK, you dropped your mock draft 3.0 on the ringer.com. Great website. Damn right. Then immediately the Ramp's made a job. giant trade that messed it up so that I had to fix it. Really screw that up real fast. So we actually have a bunch of news we'll get to.

And then at the end, we're going to get to, uh, DK's mock draft and a bunch of things that he got all 32 picks right, except for the Rams, which is really inconvenient. So 31 picks right for D.K. Uh, we get to news. Do you guys want to do Daniel Jones Colts first to this Rams trade with the chiefs first? Probably the trade, right? Yeah, big trade. Big trade, medium trade.

So yeah, so that we could go to this trade. So the chiefs traded their cornerback Trent McDuffie to the, to the, Los Angeles Rams, Trent McDuffie, who was the first team all pro cornerback in 2023 and in 2024, traded to the L.A. Rams, and the Chiefs in exchange got the first rounder from the Rams, number 29 overall,

and a fifth rounder, a six-rounder, and the Rams third rounder next year. So four picks, including a first rounder for the Chief's nickel cornerback. A lot of places we could go, but I want to start with the Rams. They were already the Super Bowl favorites, kind of co-favorits, along with the Seahawks.

DK, the Rams are just doing the fucking them picks thing again. This is now going to be nine of the last 10 years. The Rams did not have their own first rounder in the draft. Whatever. They have a different first rounder. They have the 13th pick. They stole the Falcons first rounder, but now they traded their other one. They were probably like, hey, we got two of them. To me, I'm like, you get rid of the

29th pick and you get Trent McDuffie. Like, DK, what are the odds they could have drafted a Trent McDuffey level player at 29? Well, ironically, there are going to be kind of a lot of interesting corners, I think, in that range. There's some corners I like in that range. But, I mean, you're not getting a multi-time all-pro, guy who's

already proven what he can do and kind of be a day one contributor. So I think that's the big thing is you're trading the uncertainty of what you're, what you could potentially get at that spot and maybe the upside that some of those guys bring for a proven player. And obviously this is probably going to be Stafford's last year or, you know, maybe he'll play two more years. But you're kind of ending this era of the Super Bowl window that you have with Stafford. So you might as well go for it.

So I mean, this makes it sense for the Rams. It makes it sense for the chiefs, honestly, too, because they get three, no, they get four picks. for this. And so, yeah, it makes sense for both sides. I hate the Rams. This makes them better immediately. That's how I feel. Are the Chiefs rebuilding?

Like, what? This is a weird, what's going on with the Chiefs? This is, I think, what I've been trying to say every time the Chiefs come up this all season. You're like, they're so cool. Let's do this argument all over. I think this is the point. I was looking at the roster

because the Chiefs played in the Super Bowl 13 months ago. More than half of the Chief starters in that game are off the team. or at least will be for this coming season. Like literally the majority of this Q started, the Kansas City starters on offense in the Super Bowl have changed, and the majority of Kansas City

starters on defense are going to change. And I won't bore you, and I can read all the names if you want. I have them, but if you just go through and you eyeball it, the Chiefs have basically are from that Super Bowl 13 months ago, down two running backs, they flipped out two starting receivers, two starting offensive linemen, two starting defensive linemen, two starting linebackers, probably two starting cornerbacks now and two starting safeties from the team that was in the Super Bowl 13 months ago.

So yeah, they're totally retooling. And the guys that are staying are like, mom's off the ACL, Chris Jones, who's 32, Kelsey coming back maybe. And like, obviously he has one season left, maybe two if he comes back. Like, older guys. And so the chiefs now, I mean, Bill Barnwell called this a while ago that the chiefs don't really pay cornerbacks. So I think that I could, I would argue actually this is probably a smart move and I can

explain why. But overall, I think that is the story here from the Kansas City side is they did that three Super Bowl trips in three years by just hitting all these picks and they have to do it again. They really very much have to just hit a parlay of just they have to replace a bunch of defensive starters all at the same time. And the Rams

are in like, hey, we have a year or two left to Stafford. Cornerback was our biggest weakness this year. Let's get a number one guy and try again next year. Yeah, 100%. I mean, in many ways they're doing both teams who doing what they were doing four or five years ago. I mean, the chief thing I would do

concisely is Bill Barnwell made a great point at ESP a month ago that he thought the Chiefs would trade McDuffey to the Rams and Bill Barlow called that. He called a shot a month ago and it's like the Rams have traded for cornerbacks and the Chiefs trade away cornerbacks, including the Chiefs traded Marcus Peters to the Rams like five or six years ago. The Chiefs traded Legerious Sneed to the Titans a few years ago. The Chiefs now traded Trent McDuffie.

They have a history of doing this because I think... And the Rams traded for Jalen Ramsey. And the Rams traded for Jailen Ramsey. So both teams have kind of done this before where I think that the Ram... there's actually a lot more to this than it, than it seems. But I think the chiefs basically look at it as it's easier to take cornerbacks that are late round guys and coach them up and replace these guys. And we don't want to have second contract cornerbacks. We want younger guys to coach up with crazy athleticism or size.

We don't want aging cornerbacks. The other thing to just throw in here, and I already had the Rams taking a quarter in my initial mock draft that I published. And I just kept it at number, I think they have the 13th pick. And I do think they could still go corner at number 13. And if that's the best guy on their board, they still need a couple players in that in the secondary. I think that was kind of one of their Achilles heel almost this year. That in special teams was just a lack of lockdown cornerbacks. And so I would say this doesn't necessarily even take them out of the running for a quarter in the first round with the pick that they still have.

Maybe it's not the favorite anymore. But I think they could still do that. I totally agree with that. You need cornerbacks, edge rushers. You need a bunch to win a Super Bowl. But speaking of Achilles' heels, the Colch put the transition tag on Daniel Jones. So we can go through that. First, I have to make a me a culpo because I totally botched the transition tag explanation a week ago.

Craig got it right. And then I corrected him to the wrong thing, which was really funny. But it is incredibly complicated. So, Craig, I don't really want a mansplained to you. I think you want to explain the transition tag. And I want to interrupt you this time? I mean, it's like every day I have to remind myself how it works. But I do think I have it.

And the transition tag is so rarely used. Basically, I think to put it simply, the transition tag allows you to get a player for cheaper. It's like the franchise tag, but you get to get the player for cheaper. However, the difference is, is that that player can get an offer from another team. And if they leave to go to that other team

and the Colts don't match, the Colts don't get anything in return. The franchise tag, you have to pay more for more exclusivity. Basically, if you franchise tag, Daniel Jones, you got to pay them $47 million. And basically no other team can have him because if they wanted him, they would have to give the Colts two first round picks,

which nobody would do. The transition tag is, instead of paying Daniel Jones $47 million, they get to pay him $36 million, but another team could come in and match that offer, and then he could go to that other team if the Colts didn't want to pay the same amount, but the Colts wouldn't get anything in return.

So you're just, it's less money, but they're basically saying no one else is going to pay him this money. No one else is going to pay DeN Jones $36 million, so we're going to go with the cheaper option. I think, I think I think I brought this on the show. It is kind of something that I haven't think about. It's like, I don't know who else is going to be making a big time offer to Daniel Jones.

Well, I mean, he broke his leg and tore his Achilles in the same. Which, by the way, I completely forgot he broke his leg first before he tore his Achilles. It was broken. It's like he didn't break it. It was broken. There was a break in the leg. It's not like the leg is broken. He was playing on it while broken.

There's a small fracture, a crack really. Can it worse? And then they were like, yeah. And then the Colts said, well, we don't think it can get worse. And don't forget that Daniel Jones's college roommate at Duke created a common. where you can scan your leg and design a brace. I don't remember what the company was, but Daniel Jones said that he was playing with this brace

that his college buddies designed, and they're like, how do they, when did they fly up here and measure you for it? He said, no, no, no, I just scan my leg with their app. And then two weeks later, he tore his Achilles. So, uh, I don't know what's going on. No, no, no, I'm not saying that, but it probably wasn't great for their company.

Craig, you said this is rare. It's literally only only happened one other time. It was really rare at quarterbacks. Right. For a quarterback, the transition tag has only been used one time in the past. That was 1996. Jeff George by the Atlanta Falcons. He signed a one year, $3.6 million deal.

Dude, the cap has gone up a little bit in the last whatever it is, 30 years. So that's pretty crazy. Well, the cap, first of all, I believe you said 1996 was the entire cap per team, even the amount Daniel Jones is getting paid this year. I bet it wasn't $40 million to the entire team. Hold on. I want to look that out. Now it's probably 40 million. It certainly wasn't $4.

$48 million. Let's see. The 90, well, let's see. The 96 cap was $40.8 million. Wow. Holy shit. That is crazy. Well, that's the thing we don't talk about these deals.

The NFL's a good investment. Yeah. God. Again, it's a percentage of revenue. What is it? What is it? $301 million this year per team. Used to be 40.

30. It's like, it's like I'm watching Madman and it's like Don Draper is this apartment of the west side overlooking the park. And he's like, what did you pay for it, Don? He's like, $70,000. I'm like, I'm going to. to fucking die. She's. Same thing, though.

But yeah, the Daniel Jones thing, it's weird to have a quarterback that a team's, how many quarterbacks in history are you like, oh yeah, we'll give you top five money this year. Also, we don't think anyone else wants you. It's you really got to thread the needle to have something like that. But there's a reason because the Colts obviously just they were started 8 and 2. And Daniel Jones actually led the league

in passing yards through 10 games, which is crazy. But not only you have all those injuries, I think it's a combination of Daniel Jones's success was based in large part on mobility. So what is the argument that he's going to succeed as a pure pocket passer off the Achilles without the mobility?

We just saw Kirk Cousins and Rogers come back. Neither them played that well off their Achilles. They're older. But the other thing, and I think it's important, remember, Daniel Jones has always been hurt every year of his career. I mean, the list of his injuries is tough. So just, it's hard to do it quickly,

but Daniel Jones broke his clavicle senior year at Duke. He had a high ankle sprain. Yeah, he broke his clavicular. Well, he's bone smashed. He bone smashed. He was bone smashing. that went wrong. Exactly. He was the original bone smashing accident. It's a freak bone smashing accident. All right. Happens to the best of us. It's not even the top four bone injury

this guy's ad. But no, he said, look, he had a neck injury with the Giants that lingered for three years. He had high ankle sprains. He tore his ACL. Then the Giants, he had, he got benched by the giants at the end of his career just so the Giants were like, we're so afraid you're going to get hurt. We're going to have to pay you more money if you're injured. So that was like, the only healthy stretch was being benched. Then he goes to the Colts, revives his career. breaks his leg and tears his Achilles. So yeah, he's like younger than Kirk Cousins by a decade, but he's coming off all this.

And even if you think he could get back to the form he had in the first half of last season, he's had one healthy year at like 10 years. So real quick, is this a, we're going to pay you 37 million. You're going to be on the tag for this season. Or is this a stalling strategy to get a longer term deal signed, do you think? Both.

All the franchise tag guys they have till July, 15th to do a long-term deal with just their team, except Jones has this weird thing, but I don't think anyone else to negotiate with them. But then if you don't sign the deal by July 15th, they have to plan the one-year deal for the number we're talking about. All the teams kind of want to do the long-term deal for the most part. It's just what the-

Easier on your cap, right? Yeah. Yeah, because that's the thing is you can't push the money in the future if you're the team, and they want the team control. So a deal probably gets done, you'd say? I think so if you're Daniel Jones. Yeah. At some point, you have enough money.

You're like, don't you just want to be a starting quarterback in the NFL? I was going to say he'll probably take less money, stay on the Colts. It's a good situation. It works for him. Like, he was barely, he was almost a backup quarterback a year ago. And it's like, you probably just take a deal. Yeah. I think that's probably smart.

And now that means Alec Pierce cannot be franchise tagged, the receiver for the Colts. The Colts cannot tag him because you only get one tag. So now he's kind of on the open market. I kind of think the Alec Pierce market is, is getting a little out of hand. To use a Bill Simmonsism, we need a little bit of settled down juice, I think. Craig, I was going to say the exact same thing.

I think he's a good player. Me too. A complimentary player, a really skilled, talented, deep threat, he's good, but I'm like, like $25 million, $30 million for fucking Alec Pierce is crazy to me. Especially like, the Patriots are not going to do that.

I'm telling you, there's no way they're going to give it. So Stefan Diggs is going to be released from the Pats. So they have no receivers. They need to make a move of a wide receiver. What do you see? Matt Collins. Is Matt going to be on the team? There's no way that they center their wide receiver cap space around Alec Pierce as their

as their number one for $29 million a year. I think that's crazy. It's a good reminder. I would rather give a first for AJ Brown, to be honest, than give Alec Pierce $30 million a year. So this is probably our last episode before the big free agency deals go down in the same way that the combine we go in and we're like, look, you know, these guys are running drill. all the big stuff's already been done. Like they played their games, the tape.

It's like, we shouldn't change our opinions that much. Then we go to the combine. We're like, oh my God, you see how high they jump? That's crazy. And like we kind of forget everything we said. Free agency is the same thing where I'm sure next week we're going to be like, Yeah, we're just like, oh my God, these teams are so much better now. But the thing with free agency is it is all, the entire structure of the NFL is the way they

designed the way the employment works is to let teams keep their best players. like every step of it is designed for teams to keep their good players. So the players that reach free agency are players that more or less, teams saw every single day for four to five years day in and day out and decided, nah, we're good. And like you have to be, you have to understand why they've reached free agency. Because it might be they're really good, but they're not the same, their injury.

They're like worried about future injuries. Maybe they're not the same player. Now, sometimes when it's like Milton Williams leaving the Eagles last year, where it's just like they actually have a crazy amount of talent and they actually can't pay them because they just have too many good players. That's good. Scheme fit. New scheme,

totally different doesn't fit there anymore. That's like a good reason you want to find those guys or just the team made a mistake. But then there are things where you got to wonder like, okay, are the Colts, is it like they have to pay too many people? They have other receivers. They're going to cut Pittman, whatever. Or is it situations where like, oh, the Colts actually don't think Alex Pierce is worth that.

And that's what the conversation is over and over. So with the Alex Pierce thing, we could talk about it. But that is the question with every guy. It's like, why is this guy here? Like Ken Walker. For the Seahawks, T-Ked, the Seahawks did not franchise tag Ken Walker. That's a good example of like, I don't think there's anything wrong with Ken Walker. He's had some foot issues, sure.

But it's more like, yeah, the Seahawks just won the Super Bowl. They have like six really good defenders on the best defense in the NFL they have to bring back. And they might not want to spend $14 million on a running back. And I don't think it says anything of Ken Walker. But how do you feel the Seahawks not bringing back Ken Walker? I mean, I would be very disappointed. we going to end up being very disappointed that he leaves because I think his market is going to be stronger than they're willing to pay for him. I think to go along with what you're saying

in terms of like it does say something that these players are reaching free agency because for the most part, not always, but in a lot of cases, teams that have a strong conviction about a player and the long term sort of prospects around him and building around him typically get deals done like a year early. Like that's why they're extending these guys before they even get to free agency with Walker, he's not a perfect player. I mean, he's been hurt, I think outside of this season, hurt every single season in his career. They didn't even really want to make him a every down running back this season, in particular, because I think of the injuries.

They didn't really trust him to stay healthy throughout the whole season. So they were load managing him as the season went along. So the complicating thing and the reason I think they're going to lose him in free agency is because Charbonnet got hurt and then they gave all these touches to Walker and he finally showed what he could really do. Like he, he lived up to his potential and he lived up to everything I thought he would be or could be. But it was just kind of like too late for the Seahawks.

And that's sort of one of the, um, it's one of the downsides to success, honestly. Like if he had, you know, twist his ankle and kind of just like what limped into the playoffs and whatever, like he probably would stay in Seattle. But that didn't happen. And he was actually really, really critical for them down the stretch. So super literal Super Bowl MVP. I mean, he was literally the Super Bowl MVP. He made some incredible runs.

Look at some of the touchdowns against the Rams that he scored. I don't think very many running backs do that. So there's this is why we're going to be very disappointed. But I think you're overarching point. It's like, if you had tweaked his ankle, if only still, it's like, they might not have won the, they might not have won the Super Bowl, truthfully. If he would have done that, they could have been in big trouble. So that's why I'm very disappointed.

They might lose him. But yeah, I think overarching point is what you're saying is you kind of have to look at every individual situation. Not all of free agents are super risky. But generally speaking, overall, free agency is full of landmines. I mean, there's just so many guys that have signed big money contracts and then not done anything. I mean, look, with Ken Walker, like, Belichick lets Ken Walker go. This is probably the right move, I think, from Seattle. Because it's, first of all, it is incredibly rare that the Super Bowl MVP does not return to the team the next year.

Like, that does not happen very often. But the fact that he was in the last year of his deal, the first three years of, of his deal. He was good, showed flashes, but was hurt, was okay. And then basically just was like the Joe Flacco of running backs for four weeks in the playoffs. It's kind of like, I don't want to say best case scenario for Seattle, but it's like we got him on a great deal. He helped us win a Super Bowl, and now we don't have to pay him all this money. And I don't, like, if he go, if, if Washington signs him, like, I'm not going to immediately think that Ken Walker is now like a top seven running back in the NFL. Like, I like Ken Walker and he's really.

good. But because of what we've seen, like, a month ago or two months ago, how did we feel about Ken Walker? We thought it was good. We did not think he was like a market setting running back. The foot injuries are a big part of it. As someone whose team lets Seacuan Barclay go for $12 million a year to the division rival Eagles and then watch them give $12 million a year

to Darius Slate. Yeah, but the Seahawks are the reverse, they already got the Super Bowl with Seekwon and now they're letting him go. Yeah, I understand. It's just the important thing to remember is Seattle still needs a running back. So it's like, Housewise. Because Zach Charbonneigh tore his ACL, and I don't think Zach Sharman is going to be on the field for a game until after Thanksgiving.

So George Alani, and, like, they need to go get a running back, and that's going to cost them like $5 million. It's about what you do with the other night. And again, we're recording this Wednesday. The Seahawks could sign Ken Walker to a long-term deal because they still can, like, Ronnie stay on the left tackle for the Ravens, a good example. Everyone thought he's going to go to free agency, like right before free agency started, they can still reach a deal. It's just one of those you could go to free agency. do you really want to leave? And that's kind of the question for Ken Walker,

which it depends. Some people are like, yeah, you're a running back. You could go easily go to free agency. I'm sure Ken Walker could get a deal for roughly $30 million over two years. Like 15 million years. Easily, 15 million a year. The franchise tag is like 14.3. The question is, would you rather be Ken Walker?

Do you want to take like 80% of that and try to win another Super Bowl? And which there's an argument that if you do that actually on the back end, like look at how much money Marchon Lynch has made being. Marshall Lynch for Amazon Prime or whatever and all the opportunities you get post-group. You get a bonus for Super Bowl MVP, correct? Or no? Yeah, but I don't think so. You get a bonus for winning the Super Bowl, I want to say. Yeah, but I'm sure you get an extra bonus. Did you guys know that you get rings, even if you win, you lose the Super Bowl? Well, you get, you get, AFC and NFC championship rings. Yes, you get it. So the Super Bowl

winners only get the Super Bowl, but the Patriots get a conference championship ring and there was this funny story in ESPN. You know how I know that? No. Ace Ventura. Oh my God, yeah. The FC Championship ring. Speaking of which, Ace Ventura Rhino that he crawls out of the butt is available. I know.

I got to get Bill on that. Do you think Bill would buy the rhino? Craig, can you come out of that for every rewatchables? That's my producer chair. I'm in the rhino. They get like a camera in there and you're like sweating it up. You're just fucking sweating in there. I actually thought.

you should have talked more about Villanova's directing in Sicario and just crawl back. Oh my God. I thought Sicario was too long. I'm going to text Bill immediately. Make movies shorter. We need to have this happen. Bring back the 90-minute comedy. Anyway, continue about the ring.

Real quick, though, I think looking at the running back position in particular, because I think one of the reasons I'm feeling pretty confident that Walker will leave, number one, John Snyder's already coming out and saying basically at the combine he said something like we have Walker knows we love him blah blah blah but we've got 70 guys we got to take care of so john snutter also said he lied at the super bowl parade when he said he made up he said Walker just asked me for raise because he said I was drunk and I was nervous and I made it up he tried to make a joke he tried to make a joke and it didn't land and everyone was like oh look among us you know yeah we're in glass house shooter shoot right but I think the other thing to keep in mind here and this is the reason I think

the Texans traded three picks to get David Montgomery is that this running back class in the draft is really weak. And there's also not that many running backs on the free agent market. It's basically, Brise Hall was franchise, so he's not going anywhere. Travis Eton, I think is the next best running back on this list other than Trevor, than Walker. And then after that, you got kind of, and Javentai was already resigned with the Cowboys, you got Rico Dowdell, who has like this Linsanity run where he was awesome for four games. Why does nobody want to say Kenneth Gainwell?

name. Kenneth Gainwell is a good role player in a team that's going to pass him the ball. I don't think he's as good as making him out to be. He's great. He's a good pass catching back.

Kenneth Gainwell was the single best player in the Pittsburgh Steelers. He didn't have like the play of the game. I fucking mean that. The playoff making Pittsburgh Steelers, he was the best player on that team. Lions, the catch he had was like probably the play of the season.

100%. But D.K., I mean, obviously, if you could keep Kenneth Walker, you shouldn't. That'd be great. but you want to know who you have too many defenders you got to focus on the defense first yeah the seahawks have multiple edge players that are free agents uh boy amafay um they also have two corners reek wullen and josh job they have a couple of other guys that they probably would rather resign

rachit shahid i think is probably a focus for them um so there there is that's the problem again this is like what happens every year with super bowl teams is their players get like this extra a little bonus for being in the Super Bowl. And they earn more in free agency. The guy that I've seen rumors connecting the Seahawks to is Tyler Algier. To me, going from Kenneth Walker to Tyler Alger. But Alger is going to cost you $6 million a year. That's just the thing to remember is it's not going to save you $14 million.

It's going to save you like seven. So you're trying to get a player and it's going to be, yeah, you'll. It just all comes down to like the defense. And it's just prioritizing which players are more valuable on the defense versus Ken Walker. Here's the reason, though, that I would argue that maybe the Seox should bring Ken Walker back. And it's Wednesday. And I won't be shocked if the Seilks signed Ken Walker to like $13 million a year or 12 million a year or whatever. And he just wants to be there is like.

So here, I'm going to pull up a contract. So we were just saying where the salary cap 30 years ago was $40 million per team. And now Daniel Jones gets transition tagged for $38 million. and like some, you know, some players, Josh Allen makes 55, 60 million. Deshawn Watson makes $46 million. And you guys think if he was cut, he wouldn't even play for anyone else.

So it's, you know what I mean? It's inflation. Yeah. Just to give you an idea. Do you remember Todd Gurley got that big contract extension from the Rams?

Like 2018. Do you know how much that was for? It was for $14.4 million a year. Okay. Oh, wow. Ken Walker's $14.4, $14.5 million. dollars. The number hasn't changed. This is the point to me is that the whole, oh, running backs don't matter

that much. We've heard it for like eight or nine years now. So it's totally plateaued. Every other position has stayed as a percentage of the cap. You're like, oh, these guys are the highest paid player of the position ever. No, it doesn't matter. It's the same position of the cap. It's just the, it's just the inflation. Running backs relative to inflation are like TVs. You're like, this is the cheapest it's ever been. What is that? And so Ken Walker is getting paid the same as the top five running back now. Preece Hall is getting paid the same as Todd Gurley was eight years. years ago. So there's an argument that it's a value. That's why the Eagles who won a Super Bowl with Jayad Jaya's a running back, then won another one, the Sequin, because they're like, this is a good

deal now. If they can keep him, they should. It just depends on what the defense situation is like. Exactly. So we'll hit that next week. We'll cover a bunch of free agency stuff. Other things who want to just hit, other guys that were franchise tagged was Kyle Pitts. We talked about the Falcons. Same thing. It's just he's a tight end. It's like the tight end price is good because the franchise tags the top five average of the position. So just to put a number on it. So Kyle Pitts, the actual price of franchise tag in Kyle Pitts for the Falcons is $15 million, $1.5.15.

That is a top five tight end. That would be the 25th highest paid receiver. So the other receivers in that rage are like Darius Slayton, Darnel Mooney, Rashad Baton, Rashad Baton, Cooper Cup, Jerry Judy. Yeah. So it's like the Falcons. Dude, it's good to be a receiver. It's good to be receiver in the NFL.

Last year, I think Tutu Atwell made 10, 10 mil. Yeah. To be like inactive half the time? This is why Jimmy Graham tried to argue that he was a receiver. Yeah. So yeah, Brise Hall going back to the Jets, which the same thing. It's kind of like if he left, he'd make more money. Cowboys officially franchise tagged George Pickens we've talked about.

That's one year, 27 million. But do you think a deal happens there? I don't know. It's funny because he's David Mulligetta is the same agent that Michael Parsons had and everyone's kind of like, oh, they're over it. Like, it's not about that. That is a good question. Craig. I kind of don't think they get a deal to all of Pickens. Like, I don't know. It's one of the

Cowboys gotten ahead of a contract. It's basically hasn't happened. They want to drag this out for clicks. For content. Jerry's making content over here. He's going to end it. You don't think Jerry wants all this stuff. You don't think he wants 40 days of us talking about, oh, George Pickens' contract year. What happens? He wants that on first take. I know. I can't tell this, but that would motivate Pickens or make him give up? I think they tag him. Can I tell you something? I think they tag him again next year. Oh, the rare double tag. Because it's 120% or not 120. It's 20% raise. So it's 30. I double dog dare you. Double dog dare you. So I think they did it to Dak. They tagged Dak two years and everyone said that was stupid and it was,

but they did it anyway. Man, I'm just saying. Okay. You know who the other free agent receiver that I'm very interested to see where he goes is Mike Evans. It sounds like he's going to actually explore free agency. I don't know if that will happen, but there's been more reports lately that he kind of wants to, he might not want to come back to the Buccaneers. This could be just him sort of leveraging it. but yeah and he wants to be on a team that's good right which who doesn't but like Mike Evans is like he might have the leverage to actually do it yeah like he should go to I mean the Niners or something like that would make sense to me yeah stay on the NFC West we got enough people over here you're fine you just won I know super bowl can you start acting

like you want a Super Bowl for two seconds you're like oh I hate the Rams so you know what the Rams hate you more did you see what you did to the Rams this year fair fair what's stronger the love of your team or the hatred of your you know opponents oh my god the latter the thrill the thrill of winning is not even come close to the despair of losing the most relatable thing that whole quarterback thing on netflix was when kirk cousins was like honestly when i lose it's crushing and when i win it's mostly just the relief i didn't lose right it's like oh that that just means i didn't lose for another week yeah that's how i think about wins it's like you What, like, I, I, I, I won the Dynasty League that we're in, which I'll now just keep reminding you guys of, because one year I won, and D.K. didn't remember who won. He asked me who won. Have you, have you won before that? How many? Three of the four years and you haven't, um, ever remembered. So I'm going to start talking. I'm kind of lurking, though. So be aware of that. Craig, I got second for the record. High Fitzfitts fucking beat me. What's ironic is like, my team is the Pittsburgh Steelers of Dynasty teams. Like, I'm just kind of nine and eight every year. It sucks. Yeah, the Warriors have two timelines. You have no timelines. I have no timelines.

who are like tag is dynasty jeff fisher i'm in hell i'm in hell i just got to get hot in the playoffs one year we were joking after the draft we're doing an entire episode that's just only our dynasty league and we won't even try to make it accessible if you don't play dynasty and we'll just only do our league we we actually try to make it the worst content possible like i hold my phone up to the camera yeah and i'm like here's my roster i have lad mcconkey terry mccloren d quinting nate tyson in the league too was pre-nad on we'll just only talk about our league yeah uh anyway other others oh so the this trade this report's been out there for a week we might as well talk about it the cardinals are going to cut or trade kailer murray by

wednesday and this is just they keep leaking it or whatever it's kind of mary won't be on the cardinals i want to it's been out there for a while i i want to just play a game with you guys okay which is i want to just go through which team are you actually most excited i want to go my rankings of where i kind to want to see Kyler Murray go for just like gut check. But I also want to just be clear about saying, so Kyler Murray, he's going to get cut, probably, but the Cardinals are still going to have to pay him like $36 million. So he's going to be like Russell Wilson,

Russell Wilson going to the Steelers, where Kyler Murray is going to play for like $1 million. And then because the team that pays them has to offset the salary. So if Kyler signed for like $20 million, the Cardinals would only have to pay him like $16, I believe. so they're just going to sign. Kyler's getting the same amount of money no matter what,

so he's going to sign for the minimum and then the Cardinals pick up the bill. So any team could pay him. It doesn't matter what cap situation is. So this gives him the leverage to really go wherever he was. Yes. But question though,

because I understand that that if Vikings pay him 20, that means the Cardinals only have to pay him 16. But Kyler is, we can get into this. I think Kyler's kind of clearly the Sam Darnold of this season, not stylistically,

but Kyler to me is, I'm starting to change my opinion on him and now I'm like man, Kyler Murray for $1 million is kind of great and if you put him on the fucking Vikings I'm like could the Vikings go 13 and 4 with Kyler Murray? I kind of think they could Kyler Murray is like proven first overall pick

he's a proven physical talent like he has tools he is a rare scrambler he has a fantastic arm like even though he's been a disappointment you know in the same way that Darnold struggled for a while but everyone thought Darnold sucked I don't know if we think Kyler sucks in the same way.

Donald sucks. I think with Kyler, it's like a little bit more like Caleb Williams when we're like, we don't know if it's like an effort thing or if he's mentally all there.

Does he care? And then Ben Johnson comes in and it's like football boot camp and turns Caleb Williams around. And I'm like, if Kyler Marie just goes to Kevin O'Connell in Minnesota, could they just immediately be fucking great?

They're a dome team. Kyler Murray with Justin Jefferson. I'm like, and my whole point, Hype, it says, is there a chance that it's a mini-bidding war on Kyler? Like, could the Vikings be like, hey, we'll give you five maybe. If another team would give you one, maybe we'll give you two or three because we do want you and that's still a great deal.

Yes, this is a short answer, but I don't think there's a bidding war. I think that the short, so to take what you said in order, I agree with everything you're saying. I think that Kyler is the Sam Darnold of this year. And then I think the lesson from Sam Darnold is for these crazy, talented guys that were failed by bad organizations, keep taking bets on them, whether it's Baker, whether it's Darnold, whether it's Kyler, whether it's whoever. Take bets on them. If you are a good organization. Yeah, ideally, you should try. The Jets, I don't think should take a bet on Kyler Murray.

No, I, no. The Vikings, 100%. In that sense, Kyler Murray is still a number one pick that was, to whatever extent, failed by the Arizona Cardinals who are considered one of the cheap organizations. And frankly, they're just not at the level of the other teams of the NFC West. So it makes sense to bet on Kyler. He is also stylistically, though, the exact opposite of Sam Donald, where Sam Donald became a great guy for this like McVe-Shanahan system, whatever you want.

want to call it. And I think Kyler is not that at all. So on to your point. So I want to get into team fits in a second. But to your point about the money, I don't think there's a bidding war for Kyler instead of money because Kyler's going to make 37 million. I don't think he's getting signed for more than that this year. If you're Kyler, what you do is you negotiate for no trade clause, no franchise tag. So what Kyler is, we see rehabilitates his career. If Kyler at the end, a year from now or 11 months from now, whatever, we're like, oh my God, dragged the Vikings to the conference championship game and wow they got to keep him now no franchise tag no thing and kiley's like cool we're back to where i was i want 58 million dollars you give me

trevor lawrence's contract and you get a quarter of a billion but so kiler negotiates the ability to do this again next year bets on himself and then picks a spot he can succeed so i don't think it's money right now it's control and then the money comes if he plays well but do you think there are multiple teams you could offer that control i want to go through those teams right now so I think when you look at it in terms of who wants Kyler Murray I'm torn. Everyone points to Minnesota. There are three teams that you

just look at. You're like those three teams. Minnesota, because as you said, Dome, Kyler Murray, Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addis, and T.J. Hawkinsonnell is that coach. Makes sense. Atlanta Falcons, where you're like, oh my God, like, Drake London, Bejohn Robbins and Kyle Pitts, depending you feel. Kevin

Stefansky is the head coach, like Dome team, NFC, South, winnable. Miami Dolphins. If Kyler goes to Atlanta, Kyle Piss is back on the bench. I know. But that's the thing, though. I actually think,

so with the players, you're like, that's actually a crazy collection of talent with all those guys. Kyler at the end of the day was still a top 10 pick in the MLB draft and, you know,

the number one big in the NFL. I don't actually think Kyler is a stylistic fit for any of those teams. And Stephen Ruiz, I think, nailed this. He had a great column at the ringer.com this week where he explained,

but I totally agree to Stephen. The Vikings, they told it could do it because the Vikings are running out of options their win-out team. The Vikings might be like we'd rather bet on Kyler. But everything the Vikings do is like under center play action, middle of the field. That's kind of what the Falcons do. And Kyler doesn't do that.

Kyler is like shotgun, quick game throwing to the outside. That's all fair, but I'm like, you know what else the Vikings are? They're fucking desperate. Yes. And so they could. I'm not ruling it out. But I'm saying if the Vikings don't. It's either Kyler or Richard.

I guess you could bring you at Kirk. Yeah, well, so here's the thing. And we could go through this, but the Falcons are in a similar spot where it's like the Falcons, like Kyler's getting, he did not work with the Cardinals last year, right? And Drew Petzing was the offensive coordinator.

Stephen made a great point about this. Drew Petzing worked for Kevin Stefanski for nine years. And they literally decided we'll stash Kyler Murray on IR with an injuries healed from rather than play Kyler. So if Drew Petzing, who worked for Stefanski for nine years couldn't do it, why would Stifansky if the Falcons do it?

I don't know if it makes sense. So here's the thing. I don't know, Craig, can you think of a team that is like really like into shotgun, quick game with like vertical shots to the outside doesn't really do middle of the field. Is there anyone that comes to mind?

I can't really think. I would happily accept Kyle Murray for $1 million in the Steelers. Of course. Can you think of a team that had a history of doing quarterbacks that signing quarterbacks that had a million dollars after the old team's playing the money anyway? Yeah. And it's nice to know that no matter what happens,

they will go nine and eight and be a wildcard team. So why not try it again with Kyler-Marie? Yeah, sure. or the McCarthy, Mike McCarthy system, why not? Dick, what do you? Aaron Rogers said on Pat McAfee today. He was like, yeah, maybe I'll come back, maybe it won't. If I'm Mike McCarthy, I want fucking Kyler Murray.

And I know Omar Khan, the GM said at the combat and won AFC North quarterback, which I thought was code for I don't want anyone under 511. But, DK, am I crazy? I think the Steelers should go get Kyler Murray. I think it makes way more sense from to play for Mike McCarthy and what they do than, you know, the Atlanta Falcons. Right. I think I could talk myself into it.

It doesn't feel like a good, it doesn't feel like the right connection. It's the cold weather team, like you said, the NFC or the AFC North, sort of like the personality they're looking for at the quarterback position. What, big slow, immobile?

Tough and gritty. Yeah, grit effort. Wouldn't it be cool for the Steelers to have a quarterback who could move faster than the speed of smell? I think it would be, so here's where I'm, if you're a Pittsburgh Steeler,

you don't give a fuck that the team was graded the worst in the NFL. and pretty much every category in the NFLPA. That is the, that is being a Pittsburgh Steeler. It doesn't matter. There's five toilets, all right? We got six rings and that's what matters. You have more Super Bowl championships

that toilets in the fucking locker room. I don't know if Carla wants to be there. They're not coddling their players. They're toughen them up. Kyler's like, wait, they don't charge you for box lunches here? We're building. We're building men. I think he would make a lot of sense for the Steelers.

I just, I'm not sure the Steelers would go for it because of all the said, you know, rationale, I guess, of what they look for. You just, it was like, we don't, you can't put your finger on what a Steelers player is. You just know it when you see it. It's like porn, you know? I think he even said something right along those lines, not the porn part, but he's like, you don't quite, you can't quite define it, but you can just tell if the players

a Steelers. However, Tyler is as far from a Steelers as I can imagine. See, that that's completely true. However, you could make the case that maybe the Steelers need to abandon everything they've known about what they think is a Pittsburgh Steeler because they can't win a fucking playoff game. I also, Mike Tomon stepped down. He's not there anymore.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, Mike McCarthy, you know, I still think that, like, I would be most excited if he goes to the Vikings. I'd be like, oh, Kevin O'Connell's going to make that work. So I have the Vikings first. That's the offense they run, but that doesn't mean they can't run an offense that sort of cater to his skill set. The Vikings and Falcons are weirdly similar to me because there are teams with, one, really cool jerseys. And then Kyler would look great as a Viking, look great as a falcon, especially when they go throwbacks. Both dome teams, both an embarrassment of riches. of first round picks at the skill, cool, fantasy positions.

And then stylistically, it's like six months of, will this coach be able to make this work? Because Kyler can't throw over the middle of the field because he can't see over his o-line. But like, he's really good at other things. So I'm torn. It makes sense on paper, but I don't know if it makes sense in real life

for both Vikings and Atlanta. So I don't know. I agree. The Steelers might not want Kyler Murray, but I think unquestionably schematically. And then the jets or the car, ironically, I still keep thinking about the freaking cardinals bringing Kyler back.

I'm like, they can't. But the Jets. Cardinals, no. Well, if he had, if Kyler was getting cut by the cults, you'd be like Arizona, easy money. That's the best team for him. But like, uh, you guys mentioned what he'd look like in there in the Atlanta, Jersey that made me start thinking. I feel like this.

You guys tell me if I'm wrong. The, the Cardinals, uniforms look different than any of any other uniform in the NFL. You mean like it gives like arena football vibes. They like, yeah. And they also fit differently. I swear to God, like the sleeves are just built. They're just like designed differently. So in Kyler, probably more than any player in the NFL has a unique body type.

And his, he is, his, his, like, helmet looks massive and everything. I just want to see what he looks like in a different uniform. It's going to be, he might look completely different. This is what he really needs. Look good, feel good, play good, you know. Right. I think we need to officially this summer when it's the real offseason do, do the jersey power ranking, like the official power ranking.

I think that's a good call. Kyler is also like an all-time ratio of, how many players would you have to just, eyeball until you're like which one of these one of these guys was drafted in the first 10 picks of baseball and football which guy how you might go through a thousand players before you got to kailer murray if you didn't know anything about sports yeah so wait so we decided the vikings are the most we the one we like the most what do you think is the coolest what do you think it's the most likely if kailer kailer's too kiler i think you should go play baseball for wisconsin whitewater before he goes to play for the jets the dolphins are this interesting one because

everybody was sort of connecting Malik Willis to the Dolphins, but it sounds like they don't have enough money to sign Malik Willis. Well, you'd rather have, Craig's point. If the money's equal, you go Kyler. And I think if you're Kyler, you go to Miami over the Jets anyway. You're going to go to the Jets? Yes. So Miami, I think is a real, I think Miami is a real option here.

If they can't afford Willis, which it sounds like they can't. No. Okay. So I think that makes sense. Let's all make predictions. Where is he going to go? This is tricky. Because I agree.

I think Minnesota, Atlanta, Miami, and Pittsburgh, all of those in theory make sense. And I guess the Jets. Miami. I'm going to go Miami. I don't think the Vikings thing's going to happen. I agree. It would be cool, but I don't know if Kevin O'Connell wants that. Maybe he does.

I'm wrong. They're so blatantly and obviously trying to move on from JJ McCarthy at this point. And maybe they do. And Akams raised your Craig's right. And that Kevin O'Connell's like, I'll figure it out. And they can build around Kyler in Minnesota. but I kind of do wonder if Kyler just goes to Miami or Frank. I kind of think the Steelers thing makes sense.

Yeah, Miami. The Steelers thing. I'm just saying, I agree. I had wrote it off. I want it so bad so we can dig up the old clips of Craig saying, no way in hell I want Kyler. Two years in a row. Two years in a row.

If every instinct to have this wrong. God, Mike McCarthy and Kyler Murray, I'm like, where am I? What happened? Life comes at you fast. Wait, before we get to D.K.'s mock draft, there's one last thing I want to hit. Okay.

Which is, I'm sorry, we have to acknowledge this. Adam Schaefter and Mike Floreo or fighting. Mike Florea at Pro Football Talk and Adam Schaefter. They're fighting over Carnell Tate's 40-yard Dash. So Pro Football Talk wrote an article. So it's funny to call it Pro Football Talk because Mike Floreo-Fourio is Pro Football Talk. But anyway, they had an article that Mike Florey wrote basically saying Adam Schaefter, you know, Carnell Tate, the receiver from Ohio State,

it's probably the number one receiver in this draft, ran a 453-40-yard dash. at the combine. But then all the scouts sitting in the stadium hand timed it. And Adam Schaefter was saying that a lot of scouts hand timed it at four, four, five seconds, not four, five, three, which again, we're arguing over eight one hundredths of a second, number one. And all these people hand timed it with their little thumbs arguing. So Mike Floria was basically like called out Schaefter for like, look, I'm sorry, all agents said this, blah, blah, blah. Then Adam Schaefter clapped back and posted like nine screenshots of team people saying, no, no, no, we had him faster. By the way, Drew Rosenhaus is Cardinal Tate's agent.

Yes. So this is the guy that Schaefter cites Rosenhaus's Twitter account. Probably 75% of the times he, you know, tweet something about a team moving someone. But the other thing is in his response to Florio, he actually included one screenshot twice. Yeah, I saw. One twice. I'm like, but wait here. I figured we can solve this right now.

Can you guys do me a favor? Can you get out your phone? Yeah, yeah. I have an idea. We're going to solve this right. Oh, are we going to time it? Yeah. Hell yeah.

We're going to do it remotely and watch him run it. I hope this works. So here, I'm going to put this up on the screen. And we're going to solve this right now because there's a video that it was on time. Wait, I want, we need the side view. The, yeah, it's going to happen. Just trust me. So I'm putting this up.

I have no idea. I'm going to put this up. Tell me Gunjuzer ready. I have my stopwatch. We're all going to hand time it right now. I'm ready. All right. D.K., you ready?

I'm ready. Okay. Is he going to go the second you hit player or are we going to have a moment? No, no, no, you're going to have like six or seven seconds. All right, all right. This is killing me. So when he goes, so. Be ready.

All right. Oh, boom. Oh, wow. I got four two. He ran a four two, eight. That's crazy. Four three three. Wow.

Look at that. I got a four two eight for Carnell. I think I was a little late on the trigger there. That's crazy. Carnal Tate ran a four to eight. Four two. Wow. the combine.

That's wild. Pretty good. Pretty good. I mean, four two flat, look, Combine record, you guys.

The fact that all of us were between 4-2 and 4-3 shows that this is pretty accurate. I think they, I like the electronic timing's pretty off. I don't know. I will say, maybe he was right.

4-4-4-6? There's no way it's a 4-5-3. The best part about this is like, these teams already know how good Carnal Tate is. Like, doesn't fucking matter. It's just stupid. I love arguing over eight.

Here's the thing. Maybe the hand time. Like also I learned, first of all, the idea of hand timing. Patrick Claibon posted this on blue sky to name on my mind. The Olympics introduced electronic timing

in 1968, which is, that's the year John Carlos and, Tommy, Tommy Smith did the black power fist. That fucking Olympics was electronic timed. And the NFL in 2026, we're still having scouts

that they're at hand time. 1868. That's the career of Madden I'm watching. It's Don Draper and Roger Sterling tried to pull in Jaguar. And like, they have electronic timing at the Mexico City Olympics. They were not even wearing freaking seatbelts in 1968. This entire thing is both why the NFL is the dumbest sport by far and also awesome. The best.

It's the best. Yeah. There's just like 20 dudes with stopwatch is just standing there being like, I got it. Hold no matter. 4-7. And it's like, oh, no. No, buddy, the computers can do this and it's accurate every time. It's like, yeah, I can talk about that for a minute.

Okay. Wait, I lied. Last one thing here before Dek is much off. I want to note, Bears Center, Drew Dalman retired this week, which is crazy. He's 27 years old. Just signed a three-year deal for $42 million. Drew Dalman was guaranteed $11 million in salary this year. We don't know exactly what happened, but I mean, football is a brutal game.

So Drew Jalman played all 19 games for the Bears this year, but who knows what happened. But obviously, if he's retiring at 27, seven. That's crazy. But I mean, the Bears remade their entire offensive line this season or last offseason. Kind of defined the year. I thought, I thought before the CX won the Super Bowl, the story of the year was Chicago reviving their O-line, revived Caleb Williams, revived football in Chicago. I mean, Joe Tootie won the Protector of the Year award. Yeah. So left guard Joe Tunney won protector of the year. They got right guard Jonah Jackson traded from the Rams and they signed you Dowman. They remade their whole O line. A bunch of teams are trying to copy it. And if you want to put

the Bears season, other than all the comeback wins, and what happened. Caleb Williams was sacked 44 fewer times this year than last year. Like that's crazy. That's insane to take 44 fewer sacks. So the quietly the bears, I mean, obviously the main priority here is I just hope Drew Dalman's like, okay, you know what I mean? But for the bears going forward, they kind of have to remake their own line again because

now they need a new center. A lot of teams need a center this year. And their left tackle, Ozzie Trapolo, or sorry, Ozzie Trapillo, who was the second rounder that. Couple of second rounder left tackles last year played really well, but he had a really bad knee injury against the Packers in the playoffs. So he's probably out most, if not the entire season. Is this a Patelian?

Is there a better than left tackle? Yeah, they might need to take another offensive alignment, like early, another couple offensive alignment. So which you have them doing in your mock draft. Yeah. Correct. So with that said, let's go through the mock. Yeah.

Let's do it. D.K., Craig, and you feel free to pull the chain here on the bus if you want to stop anywhere. But I want to start with number seven. You have the Washington commanders taking Sunny Stiles, the linebacker from House State. And one, the darling of the NFL draft, Sunny Stiles. What do you think of this, Hyfitz?

Do you like it? Do you dislike it? I love mocks are the best. You like every single pick, I'd be like, yeah, nice. Yeah, we got to like... I can see that. Sunny Stiles, yeah. Is there a way that you can, like,

pick out the most sexual term that I used or something like that to spice this up a little bit? Oh, we're going to bring back defense. Don't worry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You said he blew the doors off at Lucas O'Elfield. That blew the bloody doors off. The bloody doors off.

Then you went to adjacent. I just love that Sunny Stiles is taller than like some of the offensive line. He was a safety. He was a 6-5 safety converted to linebacker. He played linebacker for two years. And then he was the play caller. Look, I am not Matt Patricia's biggest fan,

but like it is an NFL defense that he's calling at Ohio State. And he's like play calling it. The fact that he's been a linebacker for two years and he's as good as he's been, I don't know. Look, there's always one generational whatever prospect that is supposed to transform the position and that kind of sucks.

And I'm kind of wondering who it will be in this draft, but I think Stiles as a top 10 pick makes total sense. I think positional value, things ridiculous. I think it's all flipped. It's the idea of positional value implies that the market is like perfectly compensating people to their skill set. It's not a free fucking market. That's not how it works.

Like Fred Warner's not properly paid. Again, like Jerry Judy was making as much money as like Travis Gelsie a few years ago. You know what I mean? It's not how it works. So also do you want a premium position or do you want a high impact player? You know. Exactly. I think, again, in this draft.

He makes everyone better. It's not like a running back. It's different. So I like this pickle. Also, he's a hall of fame linebacker probably Bobby Wagner in Washington being replaced by Sonny Styles, at least a year of overlap, whatever. The number eight one, this one is cheeky. You have the New Orleans States taking Jeremiah Love the running back from Notre

right alvin camera this is me caving to high fits is uh just whining that there that jeremiah love is going to go in the first round or sorry in the top 10 and someone's going to pick him up there which you know what they're talking about him at number three to the titans or sorry number four to the titans um there's people talking about him number three to the cardinals i don't see it but you know what i'm not the one of making the decisions and he is one of the best players in this draft and it is exactly what I just said. Do you want a big impact player or do you want a to go the more premium position route? I could see the Saints doing this purely because they want to, you know, put as much support

around their quarterback as they can to develop Tyler Shuck. If they can develop Tyler Shuck into a, you know, an above average starter in the NFL, that's incredibly valuable. They've put a lot of investments into their offensive line over the last few years. So they're getting, I think the pieces starting to get in place on the offensive line. They have Chris Lave. They've got some other skill players that are pretty interesting coming up. And so getting a guy like Jeremiah Love where, again, I don't think I would do this,

but you could make the argument. He's going to be a big time impact player in both the run game and the past game. So I guess that's how you talk yourself into it, even though I don't know if I really believe this will happen. Every team that he goes to, I'm like, nice. That's awesome. There's like every team in the top 10 I kind of want Jeremiah love to go to. What if the Giants take him at five?

you're not going to make fun of the Giants? No, that'd be kind of awesome. Him and Jackson Dart and Lake Neighbors and Scataboo. Oh, God, that'd be so sad. I kind of think the Titans are going to take him at four, which I know is insane. But I just, I still maintain that like, the free agent class for wide receiver and running back is bad.

There's nobody for Cam Ward to give the ball to. And I just think, like, I don't know. I don't know if they're going to go with Rubin Bain. And I think, I think, I feel like they're going to take him. I mean, you could have pays. basically, you know, transcribe everything I just said about the Saints and just put it over to the Titans. It's like, oh, yeah, you know, get your quarterback. Develop your quarterback. They've invested in their offensive line. I, I think you, it's weird because Jeremiah Love is definitely good.

It's just like the value of running backs, but it's what I was saying before. It's like the, the money's leveled out. I think it's whether running backs make your team better. You need an line. Part of me is like, if you have an O line, we've talked over and over about, I still think that you need to get an offensive line before you have a guy, but teams disagree. I will say that the injury the player comparison I want to blatantly steal from Jeremiah I love is someone compared Jeremiah love to pre-injury Darren McFadden I can 100% see that I love that upright tall guy who's just re blazing fast Darren McFadden before he had that hip injury was outrageously good and an absolute top tier running back I'd ever seen and like it was kind of like Kirkland brand Reggie

Bush like he was he was that freaking good he had more injuries but he also is like the same He's kind of tall, like six feet tall. Very upright. Nice posture. Right. He was 6.1 to 11. He ran a 433. That's I think exactly what Love ran.

What he ran? Love 1, and 437. I had time Jeremiah 11, 418, though. No. Yeah, no, I did. Wow. So. No, I can see that.

If it's all like that, actually. I love that. I apologize. I don't, someone said that to me at the com. I don't remember who told me that, so I apologize. But it really stuck with me. But Jeremy, I love, I, I, it's kind of like Genty last year. where we're going to criticize this,

it's like he's really cool. But you probably want a good offensive line if you're going to do it. But the Saints have spent a bunch of first-run picks on the offensive line, so maybe they can. But speaking to which of guys just replacing players,

you had Bobby Wagner and Washington being replaced by Sunny Stiles at linebacker. You have Alvin Camara being replaced by Jeremiah Love in New Orleans. Then you sandbagging son of a bitch, you have the Kansas City Chiefs taking Keny and Sadee and tight end from Oregon.

His combine performance was something special. I mean, this was truthfully one of the, I mean, it's funny with Eli St. hours, like two of the most athletic tight ends we've ever seen at the combine, at least. Shades of, now I'm forgetting his name, the tight end that played for the 49ers. Vernon Davis. Vernon Davis, like they're pretty much the same height, 6-3.

Vernon Davis was a little bit heavier, but one of the most explosive athletes, you know, in NFL history, basically, he was like 247 pounds, right of 4-3. That was Vernon Davis. And this is what we saw from Kenyon Sadie. And I already like Kenyon and Sadiq before the combine. in terms of, I think he has the skills to be a two-way linebacker in the sense that you can keep him on the, on the field and run situations. He's good enough blocker. He's not like an elite blocker, like Gronk, but he's going out there and he's getting blocks made and, you know, he's being useful in space in terms of like blocking in space.

And so I think he's not totally, he's not in that move tight end only mold that you kind of like a team will get stuck to this guy and not really know how to use him. Kyle Pitts, he's a receiver. He's a receiver. Kyle Pitts is like a perfect example. Can't block. Cal Pitts is like essentially a receiver. But Kyle Pitts isn't like, especially after he got hurt a couple times, he's not beating guys one-on-one. Like not, he's not winning against corners.

Kenyon Sadiq is much more of a in-line type of guy. And so I think he, that's going to, that's going to raise his value. And then, of course, I mean, when you see the athleticism that he put out there, pretty special. And can't stress enough how big is goddamn biceps are. We've talked to with this, Craig. Can you click on this specific photo? I was looking for this last time. I can't stress enough how big Kenyan and Sadiq's arms are.

They're the big storms I've never seen. That actually, that doesn't make. That looks like his muscles are trying to get out of his skin. It looks like the scene in Alien right before it comes out of its chest, but in his bicep. It's, it's, that photo is unbelievable. Do you think, D.K. That, do you feel confident that Kansas City is going to take an offensive player? No, because I think Hyphitz has kind of convinced me, too, that they do need upgrades on the defensive line.

I didn't know if there was, I think originally when I was putting this together, I thought, like, maybe Caleb Banks has risen high enough because of his outstanding combine performance to, to be in the first round. I don't know if top 10 is really realistic. And Peter Woods is the other defensive lineman that's, like, made a lot of noise, but he has really short arms. So I don't know if he's a top 10 pick. He might fall down into the late part of the first round. So I just didn't really have a defensive tackle that I think kind of rose to that. And then, you know, I just was like, man, Kenyon Sique just makes a lot of sense for an offense that Xavier Worth, even though they drafted him, I still think they need a lot of speed in their offense. I mean, Rishie Rice, we don't know what's going to exactly happen with him next year.

They were one of the slowest offenses I felt like last year, particularly before Rice came back. And so just getting an infusion of speed at that tight-end position, it would make a lot of sense. I still think the chiefs leaving the top, what they hope is the only top-ton pick the chiefs make of the entire. decade and not taking a big player trench player is a grave mistake like if you want a great player ideally but you do want the need to align do you consider this a big player though no i meant like a lineman right like taking a tight end ninth i mean you know who's a great tight end Travis kelsey they took him away he was a third round pick i just the idea that the chiefs could go and get a defensive tackle d end or i or even an offensive lineman like in this mock draft you have francis

marigua to the giants and you have sorry marinawa and then you have uh spencer farano that you have uh spencer Utah guy at six. I think the chiefs could even take Monroe Freeling, like the Georgia tackle, who I think mixed reviews, but I just think Kansas City needs to take. I mean, they cut Juan Taylor the right tackle today,

or at least they're gun on Wednesday, March 4th. So they need a right tackle. They have Josh Shims that left tackle, but I don't know. I just offense defense, I don't know, go get alignment. But we'll say,

I mean, either way, it's Kansas City still looks weird to see them with the ninth pick. I will say there's sort of this, I think, lingering. It's almost late. view that tight end is not worth a top 10 pick, but when you look at the last couple of years, you've got Brock Bowers.

Last year, you have Colston Loveland and Tyler Warren. I don't remember exactly where Warren went. It was like 12, 12 or 13. So is Kenyon Sadieke is good. Kenyon Saddick is not as good of a prospect. No, but I'm just saying it's, I'm not, that's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying there's teams that have sort of still taking these guys really high in the draft if they think they can be, you know, like big impact players for the offense.

So yeah, I definitely would still have Bowers, Colson Leveland, Warren a little bit higher than Sadiek, but not like a lot, not like a ton. Bowers, to me, it was on this whole other tier. And then you've got Warren and Loveland and what Leveland did in the late part of the season. I'm like, man, he might be one of the best tight ends in the NFL full stop. Kyle Pitts was like the best tight end prospect in our lifetime. And then Brock Bowers was probably better, but no one wanted to say it because then they thought it would be like the boy who cried wolf because Pitts was terrible at the time.

So then no one wanted to say how good Bowers was. and Tyler Warren and Colson Loveland, everyone was like, these guys are great too. And I think Kenyon, Sadeke, is very much a tier below those guys. Right. In production end as a prospect. You gave the Dolphins Cardinal Tate from Ohio State. Yeah.

I like that. Well, yeah. Is it because we clocked him at a 4-2-8? 4-2-8 for 2.4-2-8 for me. 4-2-8 for-8. Scouts clocked him in a range of 4-2 to 4-8. Yeah, they just need good players at this point, right? They're starting to lose all their good players.

Let's play. Let's play, let's play, can you name players on the dolphins? Ooh, I like this game. So they obviously have Jalen Waddle. What are the other receivers? Can you name four wide receivers on the Miami Dolphins? Oh, I can because you remember the one that you read this list a few weeks ago, and you said the name Theo Weez Jr.

And I remember laughing at that's not. That is correct. Theo Wees. They've got multiple Washington's. They've got. Oh, Malik Washington, who I actually. And Taj Washington. I kind of love them Lake Washington, actually.

Right? Yeah. You know, game, we should play next, Craig? Not trying to be an asshole here, but name receivers on the Steelers. How dare you? I don't know how Earn Rogers can name Steelers. The Steelers? The receiver depth chart is something to behold.

We're saving up for something. They have D.K. Metcalfe, and that's it. Well, I was going to have you guys do Mahomes, Kelsey, and Chris Jones don't count name players on the chiefs who started the Super Bowl that aren't on the teams. that started the Super Bowl yeah my home's Kelsey Chris Jones don't count guys who start Chiefs who started the Super Bowl versus the Eagles that are going to be on the team this season

George Karloftus yes George Karlofft Nick Bolton yep there you go this is why I didn't do it but it's kind of fun anyway I mean Rashy rice

oh was he not in the Super Bowl did he not start that game I don't think he did it's Cadonia Kedarius Tony he were a seed these days I guess started so we can't go with Noah Gray, right?

No. Also, us, us saying, it's tough. It's getting tough already. The best moment in this show, maybe ever and like people listening, if you haven't been one of those for a few years, don't know is Craig and I having an argument that Craig's like Cadarius, Tony will score two touchdowns. And I said, crederius Tony will not play five snaps. Both were almost right.

We were three yards from both being right is like the funniest argument we've ever had. Creed Humphrey. Yes. Okay. Trey Smith and Trey Smith those that's it though that's kind of the five and I'll give you Chamari Connor as the free space but like kind of it otherwise yeah uh cowboy you gave the Cowboys at number 12 you gave him Celtric Falk the edge rusher from Auburn and the Cowboys also picked 20th because of the Michael Parsons trade the Coltonhood right the

quarterback from Tennessee I just think they're gonna go defense because they traded away their very good defensive player to do this which one uh you know this edge rusher guy Michael Parsons, the guy of the torn ACL? Really short. The financier? Oh, God, I can't believe he tore his ACL.

Jerry knew. Jerry knew he had a degenerative ACL. He doesn't know where the fucking son's going to be, but he can see the future. We knew almost a year in advance that Micah was going to tear the ACL. I think the Celtric Falk thing kind of makes sense to the Cowboys

because they do like young players. Like if you look, Kelchert Fawt, isn't he like 21 years old? Yeah, he's young. He's really big. long, athletic, you know, kind of a guy that they can develop. And if you look at the last five years, it's all the trench guys. It's like either offensive linemen or defensive alignment, I think. Dude, I'm reading the Chuck Closterman book, football.

Great book. I'm like halfway done. Nice. And there was a whole section about the Cowboys and how they draft and how weird they've always drafted and how they take chances. And did you know that the Dallas Cowboys drafted Pat Riley? Really? What? Did you know that?

No, I did not know that. What are you talking about? They drafted Pat Riley to play wide receiver. You're talking about the NBA coach? Yes, the famous NBA coach. What? And the president of the Miami Heat, Pat Riley. Did he play football?

No. Well, he played wide, he didn't play in the NFL, but he played wide receiver. What? Had no fucking idea. They take shots. They were like drafting track stars. They literally drafted Pat Riley. Uh, where did Pat Riley go to college?

Kentucky. He played receiver. He was the seventh pick of the NBA draft. You're saying the Cowboys in 1967 used the pick? I mean, it was in the 11th round, but they drafted Pat Riley. That's fucking wild. Well, that's like the MLB draft. Have you ever seen the MLB draft is so big.

There's like 20 or 30 rounds. And when they get to like the 18th, 19th round, they start dicking around. And so they'll just take everyone's kids, like the GM's kids, the Scouts kids. Wait, really? Oh, it's super. No, it's like a courtesy. It's like a, like, you know, in tennis, if he had a ball over the night, you're supposed to apologize.

Like, you kind of have to take some scouts kids if you're not a dick in like the 23rd round. Like the M. It's like, this is what the Cowboys did with Deuce Fawn, where Deuce Fawn's fathers worked for Dallas for 30 years. So he drafted his son. Baseball that happens all the time because they have so many freaking picks. Pat Riley was 6-4-205. Yeah.

That's a big, that's a big receiver right there. How long was your arms? He had never played. He had not played college football. That's funny. crazy he's like yeah you're athletic they didn't have enough people back then do you guys know who the first pick in the nineteen sixty seven draft was i don't you're not going to get it bubba smith oh bubba no i bubble the guy bubba smith clint jones steve spurrier

bob greasy steve spurrier i don't know much about jean upshaw number 17 overall pick that year i need some i need some pat riley high school football tape. Yeah, we got to Pat Riley's 80. He knows he was up to Pat Riley's only 80. I thought he was older than that? I don't know. He just he does have, I would not have he's that old. He does have a Tywin-Lannister like powerful vibe to him.

You know, it feels like he could just sound over there. Also, Pat Riley, all-time fit God back in the day. Yeah, his suits on the sideline. Yeah, he was crushing it. Yeah, everyone just stole that hairstyle. Okay. This is the real cram to look crumb of DK's mock draft. Uh-oh. D-K, tell Craig who you gave the Pittsburgh Steelers at number 21. Oh, this is all for you, Craig.

You give him Jordan Tyson, Arizona State wide receiver. Craig's number one wide receiver. This is just, you're just doing this for me. It's fan service. He's appeasing me. Yeah, I am. I mean, they desperately, desperately need this. Again, can we run through, I want to run through the depth chart of the Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver.

Oh, I think I mean, there's, I don't, I think I could do all of them. Did I tell you, shoot, I think I already told Hyvitz this, but the people under contract, there's three receivers currently under contract, can you name them? D.K. McCaff. Roman Wilson. Yep. Do they send Calvin Austin on an ice floe? He's a free agent.

Right. It's either Scotty Miller or Ben Skoronic. It's probably Ben Skironic. It's Ben Skironic. Because he's a special team. Those are the three receivers that are on the team currently. There's also like four or five guys on the, on the, on the. practice squad i've heard of none of these men uh max hurleman no we have brandon smith not a real person

these could be trainers called burgess burgess i want this guy i've heard of john reese plumbly the fuck out no you're you don't forget a name you're making this up john rees plumbly get the fuck out is he related to the plumbly oh they t perry i kind of like him actually forgot about did he go what what's cool he go john reese plumbly was on the Seahawks. That's the only reason I know who that person is. He went to Central Florida. I'm looking at John Rie's Plumley is related to the Plumley twins. I would love it if they drafted Jordan Tyson, who I think is great.

Yeah, the point is, they need receivers desperately. I mean, that's not enough. They need, like, Jordan Tyson. They need, like, to draft four receivers. Yeah, I really want them to sign Romeo Dubs, who I think is just a classic stealer and is a good player and is underrated, and I've always liked him. How much is he going to come? Rogers, Rogers might be happy with that.

I think Dobbs is great. But I love... Did they even overlap? I'm probably wrong or should. They probably never even overlapped. No. No. One season.

One season. Craig likes this. Craig approved. Love Jordan Tyson to the Steelers. Great call. Great complimentary piece to D.K. Metcalfe. With Kyler, look out. Yeah.

Just throw it up for him. Yeah. Mike McCarthy, Kyler Murray, and D.K. Metcalfe, honestly, Jordan Tyson and Tyler Murray would actually be a really good combo. Yeah. Because Kylie Murray, low-key, nice downfield. Hopkins just check it up for it.

Yeah. Yeah. Throwing Darnell Washington, we got a stew going. Ooh, forgot about that. Yeah. Love that guy. Kyler Murray and Darnell Washington in the same team would be like that photo of Aaron Judge and Jose Al Tuve from the All-Star game, like the smallest and the largest person to ever

do this. Yeah. But first things first, re-signed Kenneth Gadewell at all costs. Yeah. Like that's your priority. To you the strange, it's one of the stranger groups of people is. It's Kenneth Gainwell, if it's Kyler Murray, Kenneth Gainwell. D.K. McCaf.

This is Caleb Johnson. The body types. Steelers are just all over the map. The other one I just had to mention, it's Cleveland Browns via the pick the guy from Jacksonville getting Mackay Lemon, aka Mackay the Snake Lemon from USC, mostly because I wanted to just do that.

Serpentine. Will you guys do the serpentine with me? Yeah, he's getting into it. Yeah. He's like a cobra. He is. He's like very much like a, like,

yeah another team that desperately needs wide receivers the Cleveland Browns I hope he doesn't go to the Browns because I know me too I want to see it but I felt bad doing this wild yeah okay last one here I'm gonna make you do DK is that the Rams you have had taken quarterback Ty Simpson and then when then they traded the pick so I want to know now where if you think Ty Simpson the quarterback from Alabama will be a first rounder like do you for Nana Mendoza's obvious go first right do you think Ty Simpson's a goes in the first round or do you think well who let's just look at this who do you think is going to take him because i think the well somebody could sneak in right it would have to be someone trading up in and in probably i think

because if you're looking at the last the end of the first round seahawks broncos patriots chiefs none of those people need a starting quarterback houston texans i think it's no i think it's Arizona and here's why they trade up into the first here's why it's i think that the only team's going to get ty simpson are going to be one of those teams that um run a shanahannah mcfaces them. So you need someone who's a friend of Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVeigh and what, you know, they're the friends and co. So if you look through, I think that takes out certain teams like the Steelers. Like I don't think Mike McCarthy's going to get, and maybe I'm wrong, but I don't know if he makes as much sense there. I could be wrong. Maybe they do want that. But I think

it's a mix of who's not going to get Kyler Murray, like who's not going to get the quarterback that they prefer. So someone's going to go and sign Kyler Murray, someone's maybe gets Malik Willis, maybe someone gets Kirk Cousins. Maybe that Kirk doesn't prevent you from that. But Arizona to me over and over is just no one wants to go there. You know what I mean? Like Arizona is going to get the dregs. The same way Arizona got the dregs that they got Mike LaFleur, the little brother Matt. He was kind of the last coach on the market. The offensive coordinator is Nate Hackett. I think the Cardinals were the least desirable place to go as an assistant. And I think they're good the drags of the free agency market. Arizona is a cool place to go.

But like I like to live in Arizona. But I just think as a team, people don't want to go there outside of just being in Arizona anyway. So I don't think they're going to get anything of their choosing. So I think that they're the team that might have to just make a leap from, you know, and just go get someone because I mean, this does make a lot of sense. Yeah. Yeah. Because like maybe there's Atlanta, Minnesota, but I don't know, Minnesota needs to win now.

Atlanta kind of needs to win division, like the owner there. Like every, Arizona needs to rebuild. Minnesota, Atlanta, you go through all these other teams that have openings. They all, like the Pittsburgh, Miami, they're all. kind of want to be like, no, no, no, I'm, but the owner is old and I want to win now, where I was hired to win now. Arizona was hired to rebuild. And I think there's a team that has the authority to like go get someone and it won't be a black mark on your record. This guy sucks. Like Aaron Glenn and the Jets can't go get a quarterback and then bad because he'll get fired

immediately. He needs to win now. Yeah. Do you guys want to email? So do you want to just, Russell Wilson talk shit about Sean Payton and Max Crosby hates the Raiders. Do you want to hit these or you want to see emails? I got to say, I think that that interview that Russ did, was it busing with the boys? Who was he with? Yeah, Bustin of the boys. boys. It was Taylor Luan and Wilcompton. I admittedly did not watch the entire podcast, but I saw the clips, and it was one of the better moves that Russ has made for his personal image in his entire career. He said that he was hoping that the Giants would play Russell Wilson versus the Broncos

instead of Jackson Dart, and obviously paid it coached Russ for a year. And he was like, I hope you don't bench Russ for our game. I want to play versus Russ. And then Russ tweeted, classless, but not surprised, didn't realize you're still bounty hunting 15 plus years later through the media. And then went on busing with the boys And it was honestly seemed Way more normal than I think I've ever seen him And he was like look I don't say a whole lot

When people online shit on me like I don't look at that stuff But like coaches and players A guy who I've been on the team with Like that's kind of where I draw the line And he's like look he's a respected play caller But like also give me a fucking break like fuck this guy I also really liked this is a this He just threw this in a couple times

But number what he goes Sean and I we both have one ring. We both have the same number. That was awesome, which I loved. Hell yeah. The second thing was he was like, I've beaten Sean a couple of times in this league too.

And so I don't know. I just, I'm obviously team Russ. Like Peyton is just kind of a dick. But, but yeah, it was cool to see him kind of call that out. The bounty hunting thing.

The bounty, like calling out the bounty hunting is kind of like, it's pretty far for Russell, who has not really said anything in the media, his whole career. at least on that level. So that was pretty great. Yeah, that was pretty funny.

I would feel so much better about Russell Wilson if he hadn't just hit the goalpost on a like a third in 10 inside the red zone versus the chiefs. And then they kicked the field. That's just burned in my mind. But yeah, no, this is better. Also, we both have one ring. I love that.

That was sick. Also, the athletic had a great story today that Max Crosby is very, and a bunch of people in the Raiders are apparently weirded out by how involved Alex Guerrero is. Tom Brady's like... This guy. The trainer, the TB12 trainer.

This is like the Obi-1. The Obi-Wan meme. Oh, I haven't heard that name in a long time. I was unaware that he was still doing shit. I didn't realize he was involved with Vegas. So he involved... I don't think anyone realized how big of an impact it was. Mike Silver had the story at the athletic that basically

Tom Brady runs the thing from Florida remotely. He does all those other stuff. He's a company. He does Fox and he's there and he's not in the building in Vegas every day. And apparently Alex Gores... Barrero is there more. He says, he's like the surrogate father

from arrest of development. He just wears a little camera on his head and like goes around and talks. He's like talking to coaches and players talking about they're going to get cut or something. Apparently just aggravating all players and coaches. He's like delivering news to players. Yeah.

Come on. Also imagine being Max Crosby who, whatever you think of it, the fact that he until the season basically plays every single snap of every game, which imagine how, unhinged you have to be to be an elite NFL defensive end. And even those guys come out of the game.

Imagine how zealous you have to be, like, like, completely and utterly devoted singularly to football to be like, I literally will never come off the field. And then this guy is trying to tell you how to, you know, treat your bot. Like it's, this guy's like, hey, you shouldn't eat tomatoes, Max. Max is like, I'll eat whatever I got you want. Inflammatory. I'll eat a live fish if I want.

Okay, leave me alone. Like Gallum, like Smeagel, just like eating the fish. Like, don't cook it! Well, it ate the meat! The, yeah, Alex Guerrero just being a part of it. This is the first time I've actually been worried that the Brady ownership thing will actually be disaster. I actually never really felt that way until reading this. It crossed my mind.

So a whole different skill set than playing quarterback. Imagine that. The other thing I thought that was interesting was, they talked about how Chip Kelly like wouldn't talk to any of the players Wow the guy who left college because he had to talk to people didn't talk to anyone That's so weird

He was having he was delegating at like half time He was like hiding at half time and having his assistants Deliver like offensive updates about the game plan What the fuck? Just the stuff you hear in some of these NFL teams like How many billions of dollars? Chip is an NFL grifter He just gets in gets paid goes back to college

The best insight maybe Danny Kelly's ever had on this show is that Bill Belichick fell off because he didn't want to talk to new people anymore. Can you imagine talking to some of these Gen Z kids? That is the truest thing. Chip Kelly literally just won't talk to anyone. And you think it's a joke. And it's no, he literally won't talk to anybody.

Yeah. It's hard to make new friends. It's a lot of work. Like, what do you guys think the age curve is of when you just basically flatten out how many friends you have? That's a good question. It's got to be...

30, 25, 28? When do you start making new friends? Do you start crazy? For work? It's a, it's a, it's a, Whatever. It plateaus for a while, I'd say, in your 20s. And then your kids' parents.

You have a couple friends. And then you then have this. You have a whole new pool of people to talk to because your kids are friends with them. It's basically like once your kid is like starts going to school, then it picks back up again. Right. Yeah. Yeah, it's like I'm in a renaissance. I've got all kinds of new friends these days.

Is that right? Yeah. When they say, what do you do? Do you say, I'm a podcaster? No. What do you say? I'd say sports writer. They're like, really?

What do you've written? People know what it is, you know? Also, if I say podcaster, they're like, do you do that like full time? I know. The thing that sucks at that is you have to say like, what's your real job? I'm a podcaster, but actually, though. No, yeah, it's 100%. Because the worst thing ever, I work full time.

There's really no way around it. Because if you say like, I'm a successful podcaster, that's super lame. Yeah, the only thing worse than saying I'm a fantasy football podcaster is having me like, no, no, no, no. Like, it's a real job. It's like, yeah, successful. Fantasy Football podcast. Like Jackie's uncle, I told you guys this once said, oh, what's a podcast?

I was like, oh, have you ever heard Spotify? He's like, no. I was like, well, you know, there's not much I can do here. I was like, well, it's like, he's like, so you're on the radio. I'm like, no, no, no. It's like if you could play the radio whenever. And there was like a long loss. You ever heard of Bill Simmons?

And he's like, he's like, do you, so do they pay you for this? I mean, I still, I do legitimately still get like, oh, is that like your full-time job? Okay. It's weird because you don't want to have to lead with it. We could say we're on a TV show. Called a talk show. Yeah, talk show. I host a sports talk show.

Done. Huh. That's what they are. What's the difference? We're on Netflix now. Yeah, yeah. We're basically a movie. We're basically a movie.

We're the same fucking length. Yeah. We're like the length of movies in the 1980s. Yeah. Right now, we've been. gone as long as like the entire movie Happy Gilmars right? How long is Top Gun? Oh my God. The first Top Gun

what, two hours? The second one is wrong. One hour and 50 minutes. There you go. What, okay, give me another like classic 80s movie. Um,y business. Risky business. Risky business, I bet is 100 minutes. It is one hour 39 minutes. Almost on the dog. We got, we got to get rolling. We gotta get rolling. We're going to get under that.

We got four minutes. Okay. Emails. We can be quick. I have to read. This one from Kyle. Kyle. This is the one about Fogo to Chowell. So Kyle writes the breakfast was, this breakfast is fucking crazy, Kyle. I'm a little worried. People's starting to lie.

I'm replying to people. Hey, honor system, don't lie with the fucking breakfast, all right? I'm starting email people. We need people of integrity. We're going to sniff it out. The point is to get a look into our listeners, okay? Yeah, it's the breakfast doesn't impact

whether I read the email or not. Like, so Kyle writes, breakfast was a white monster, 40 gram protein banana shake and he said two garlic knots. I believe him You do I thought it was bullshit

I think that's like He ate breakfast And then as he was kind of Closing the fridge He was like oh shit I will say Garlic nuts are kind of delicious To be honest

If I If I started writing down What I For breakfast I yeah And shout out the Discord The Discord has the breakfast club Shout out to join our Discord

It Ringar Fantasy football And the Discord The Breakfast Club's great When you said garlic knots I first thought you meant garlic, like just a clove of garlic. I was like, Jesus. Now, then he becomes actually crazy healthy. Right.

It's like wild. Gut biome. Anyway, so Kyle writes about Fogo to Chow. Okay. There's an off-menu meat you can request that Fogo to Chow is the best meat they have. It's the best meat they have and they don't put on the menu? Off-f menu meat. So Kyle writes, I did medical school in Indiana.

a few years. He said, I took my wife to lunch at Fogu de Chow for a birthday in May. He says, cheaper at lunch, endless busy.

Kyle writes, I was reminded that it was Indy 500 week and he sees the entire Andredi family, which is like, you know, like,

Mario and Company. Yeah. And so they carry a rack of ribs to the Andretti table. It looks like they came from a dinosaur and served to Marco Andretti. And I asked the waiter

what it's going on. He says, they have, by request only beef ribs, which are huge. At Fogood to chow so kowl says now every time i go to fogo to chow i request the beef ribs and i order a mog everybody that i'm there with dude anytime you know about a secret menu at a restaurant

it's a good look it's incredible it's cool just looks cool order bogging is is a real thing what do you guys think of people who order for their significant other or for the table like with consultation or without yeah like with consent um i mean i guess with consultation it doesn't matter at all but It depends on the vibe. Sometimes everyone's like, please, like someone just order for everyone. If it's legit, writes down what we want on it. I do too. I mean, look, nowadays, most restaurants, it's like the waiters always like, we do family

style. Everything is shared. So you basically have to consult your table to figure out what you're going to order. If everyone gets an individual thing, then obviously you wouldn't do that. But if I'm just like, yeah, I'll have the filet. My wife will have the shrimp scampian. I just didn't ask her. Yeah, that would be weird.

It's crazy. I got to tell you. My wife will have a light salad. God. And the water. Yes. Insane. Anyway, I'll get the T-Bone.

Bake potato and a whiskey. Okay. I got another email here. This one's from Drew. Drew. Deep bone. Drew's breakfast was homemade overnight oats. Yes, Hyphitz.

And a black, cold brew, and raspberry protein cold foam. Cold foam is also just the most. What's a cold foam? He has homemade raspberry protein cold foam? No, homemade overnight oats because I told the overnight out story. How did he get the raspberry cold foam? I probably bought it at Starbucks. I got to say the protein cold foam is just...

What's a cold foam? DK., you wouldn't believe it if I told you what protein cold foam is. You would not fucking believe it. It wouldn't believe it if I told you. Cold foam is basically whipped cream with better with healthier branding. Yes. They're like, oh wait, what's in whipped cream? Dairy.

Like a like a puppuccino? It's basically a whipped milk or cream. Have you guys seen puppettinos at Starbucks? they just give you a little cup of whipped cream for your dog. Yeah. So they're just doing that for people now. Yes. It's kind of like a thin layer of it on top of the fucking drink.

But yeah. It's like people who like don't want to get a protein. People who wouldn't have a protein shake in the morning but probably want protein. And they're like, what if we told you it was in your car? I can't. I, we might have to bring on Jody Walker to explain the protein or Nora to bring it. This is a relatively new thing. Am I wrong?

Yeah. It's preposterous. If anyone thinks something wrong, please email me at ringer fantasy football at gmail. dot com and defend cold foam with a protein cold foam but i think this is there's so many new drinks the other day we were in l.A and i went and got a macho without craig and i was like nervous to order it because i don't know what the fuck i don't know how to order this that's how i feel ordering coffee i just like i'm like you know brooks when he gets out you know in shashank reduction he doesn't know how anything works i'm like i don't know how to

order this drink my friend told me to get a macha and you D-K was here with the botches. Dude, I still remember one time somebody go told me to like, I think it was when I was a PA for Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt or whatever. And I don't drink coffee, didn't drink coffee then. Like, don't know. Every time I'm in a coffee shop, I panic unless I order a match.

They were like, go get me a coffee. And I literally just walked in and I was like, can I get a coffee? And they asked me like, like, four follow-up questions. I remember this woman, the barista saying, would you like it with room? Oh, yeah.

And I was like, I don't know. What do you recommend? What do you recommend? I don't know how the fuck that means. What's the chef recommendation? There's like I'm ordering a martini here? What are we doing? What kind of fucking lingo is with room?

I know. I actually also remember the first time as that. Yeah, now I do. It's like room for milk, but I'm like, just say that. With room. I, dude, I had the same thing. I don't know. Do I? I was an intern.

The first ringer live show they did, I was the intern, and I brought like all the stuff. I brought the chairs and all the stuff. and then I did go to the coffee and it was like I think it was probably Mallory Chris Andy Concepcion was back Oh yeah this is great And I they were

I had to go get everyone coffee And I was like writing it down the order I'm like no no everyone's writing it like You guys are writing it down I'm not writing it down so I can't write it down Everyone write down what they want I will bring it back Close to Starbucks This was my mistake was in a target

Because Craig you know nothing's in walking distance In LA and the Starbucks is walking distance And I was like golden Well no but I'm like I won't take any LA slander from you, sir. Why don't you head on over to my neck of the woods? You have my walk scores a 90 on Zillow. Oh, there you go.

Well, so the, I show up to the Starbucks and it's a target and it's a 16 year old kid doing it. And I'm like, oh no, like, I need all this. I hand him the paper. And he's like, I don't know. I hand the paper. That's how you do it. You go to a bagel store. You hand them paper.

Like I got a big order. They, they prefer that. He handed in the paper. And then he said, how old are you? Yeah. He's like, what are you, 80? you're Pat Riley's age I bet the Cowboys

drafted you anyway so the kid's like so what's a what is this word and he points at matcha and I'm like you want I don't know what a mach is you work at Starbucks what are you asking me? I don't know what that is I'm like what do you mean you don't know what that is so I'm like

clearly it says a fucking mocha I don't know so I bring Andy Greenwald the mocha back and he was so nice about it he was so nice about it and it was not what he wanted to drink at all and he was going to go on stage and Mallory looks

me, it's like, go get him a fucking macha. I was like, oh, sorry, the green grass tea. I don't know. It was 22. If you would have gotten him a macho, you'd have been like, there's no way this is right. Yes, I would have been like, that's, nope, no, no, no. This thing is fucking green. What are you giving me?

I'm handed him a green drink. I'm going to get fired. There's no way he wants this. I can take this back to my, to my work. I just got to say, for all the assistants out there, man, I've been an assistant. I've been a production assistant. That job is fucking brutal. It is so hard.

You are constantly stressed. like shouts out every single assistant is it is the fucking hardest job in the world especially like it's that was stressful enough for me and i was getting coffee for like the night like chris ryan and and he's like the nicest people in the world uh getting coffee for mean people is brutal yeah devil wears prada yeah mean people above you yeah without naming names give me one like story um can you remember the show you were working on yeah uh kimmy schmidt i mean they're there you know there are some people who are a little bit prickly and you know I get it they've had long days

but the worst part is when you're an assistant once you get like get the hang of things it kind of becomes fine and you know everyone's preferences the first like three months on the job is genuinely like the worst thing in the world terror terror dude I the other day because part of my job like producing the town and like I have to do stuff that's a little bit more administrative we did a live show at Chapman University

with a special guest that's coming out on Friday. Nice. And I had to book the car service for this person to get from L.A. to Orange County. I have never booked a car for somebody. I don't know how to do that. I was a mess. I was on the phone with something.

I didn't know what, I was like slacking people. Liz was formerly in the sister. I was asking her. Like, I was on the phone. I was a mess. The woman on this car service rental company was like, well, like, what's the confirmation number? I got no idea

and I'm like searching through my email I'm like apologizing there was a met I hate shit like that it's terrible Yeah That's really funny But I got it done And now I know how to do it Did you just put them in a Waymo?

I don't know if the Waymo would take you down to Orange County maybe Yeah Anyway so Drew wrote an email Right Oh God did he not We did not we did not cold foam Cold foam Drew

I feel like we blue balls people When we read their breakfast that we don't read the email. So the whole reason we do this thing. So Drew wrote, we were talking about hair, barbers and haircuts. So Drew wrote,

I have three C curls, which essentially means I need to find a good barber that knows how to take care of my specific hairstyle. Three C? Three what? I don't know. It's a specific kind of hair. So Drew is saying,

Drew says, I'm usually not a talkative person at the barbershop, but he was talking to this specific barber. And he says the conversation starts normally. You know, they're talking about school. They're talking about work. And he says, this barber is like super chill, like really chill guy. And then they're talking about life.

And then Drew here says something about life, you know, needed to be in the right place at the right time. Something about this phrase sets this man off. And he says, the barber goes nuts. And the barber starts talking about how we live in the matrix. The universe is made up of zeros and ones. He uses chat GPT to solve binary that he sees while he's high on mushrooms. And Drew starts freaking out because Drew is like, this guy has full control over what I will look like for the next three months.

And so obviously I just keep reassuring him that yes, the pyramids are aligned with the constellations. And the Egyptian god. For sure, man. I was thinking the same thing. Yes. And he said, Drew writes, I feel like I was in a hostage negotiation, but the hostage was my hair. and he says after 50 mm-hmms and that's crazies later best haircut I've ever had in my life I'm gonna go back to him in a month guy was fucking dialed in that's awesome fuck a good look when

you find your person you stick with him he's like neo he's he's like neo the hairdresser this is like how the Steelers stuck with Antonio Brown you're like yeah what are you saying you're like he had 1800 yards last year that's crazy that sign I don't know how common this still Liz, but I feel like there was a real moment when you would walk into the barbershop and sit down and they would offer you like beer or whiskey. Oh, that was the thing. Yeah. I was like, it's like three o'clock on a Wednesday. I don't need a glass of whiskey. I get my hair cut. They're like, it's free. You want a glass of whiskey? I'm like, I'm good. Whiskey? They're offering you free whiskey? Like a beer? I'm like, I drove here. I don't know. I've definitely had a beer before a haircut. That was like a thing for in the office.

Yeah, it was a thing. There was a there was a place in Seattle that would. do they would like massage your scalp and stuff too. Oh, well, that's like a full, full service. If you, well, or if they like shampoo your hair or something like that, it's great. Dude, the shampoo at the end, I got to tell you, I had an experience. They, they were shampooed my hair at the end. They did a little shampoo. And then they, you know, they take the towel and they kind of like dry your hair off.

Right. We get in the ears. Dude, yeah. Cecilia put both in my ears at the same time. And I was like, whoa. Don't like that. And I was like, whoa. And I got to tell you, in the moment, I was really uncomfortable with it.

And then I just kept thinking about it for weeks. And I was like, you know what? And then I went back. And then she didn't do it again. I was like, damn. I wanted her to go in the both ears again. Fuck. There's so many things I can say right now.

I bet you were happy that big cape was over you. I haven't been able to get it up without thinking about that sense. Well, I guess I'm into this now. God. It gave you a real jolt. All right. Well, on that note, let's get the fuck out of here. Thank you, DK.

Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Cam. Thank you, Abu. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, everyone for listening. Emails for your fancy football at gmail.com. Other, I still, I love the emails people have been sending about flowers. I'm going to read those soon about alternatives for buying women flowers.

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Thank you. Hold on. I'm going to Google a barbershop quartet. First one that comes up wins. I can't. I don't think I can name a barbershop quartet. Wow. Okay, here we go.

This one's good. This is football adjacent. The Buffalo Bills are generally considered the most famous barbershop quartet, renowned for their 1950 international championship win. There you go. The Buffalo Bills.

You're just talking about the 1950 Bills also saying? No, they were a barbershop quartet named the Buffalo Bills. I'm guessing they were all named Bill. And they were from Buffalo. Interesting. Does that, do you guys get what I'm saying? Are you still confused?

They were guys all named Bill who named themselves the Buffalo Bills and were a barbershop quartet? Did they have... It made it confusing because you said they won a championship. Yeah. They want a... They want a quartet championship.

You can see our confusion by saying the Buffalo Bills won a championship. Dick is like, no, no, you're... Am I wrong or is it the children? When did the barbershop quartet stop singing at the barbershop? You know, like... I feel like now they perform at like state fair. It's like when did they stop actually performing at barbershops? Good question.

That's a great call. And should they bring it back? Instead of a whiskey, maybe a little toad by a quartet. So by the way, they were not named Bill. Okay. Oh, God, this is great. Some of the past members of the Buffalo Bills Barbershop Quartet, Vern Reed, Al Shea, Herschel Smith, and the legendary Dick Grapes.

Dick Grapes. And the legendary. His name? Of course. Of course. Dick Grapes. Oh my God, Dick Grapes. Um,

I don't even know what to say about that. Please, Richard Grapes was my father. Call me Dick. Dick Grapes. Oh, my Lord. Goodbye, everyone. Must be 21 plus and present in select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 plus and present in D.C., Kentucky, or Wyoming.

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