The Ringer NFL Show - Assessing All 32 QB Situations, Who Needs One the Most? Plus, is Mahomes Cool?

Episode Date: February 10, 2026

The guys look at all 32 quarterback situations across the league, debating which teams are set, which ones are lying to themselves, and who desperately needs a new QB right now. They also try to answer the most important question of all: is Patrick Mahomes actually cool? (00:00) Intro (00:54) Super Bowl Wrap Up (13:47) Next Super Bowl Odds (17:35) QB Market - AFC (44:54) QB Market - NFC (01:21:02) Is Patrick Mahomes Cool? Discord link:  https://discord.gg/Ge8bbYHrau Check out the 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings: https://fantasyfootball.theringer.com/ Email us! [e-mail] Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady, Carlos Chiriboga, and Cameron Dinwiddie Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hyatt for today. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horlebeck. And the season is over. We did it. We did our Seahawks Super Bowl recap. You did it. The perfect season.

Absolute cinema. No notes. We're going to go through all the teams in the NFL and which ones need a quarterback and just other stuff that's happened since we last talked about the other 30 teams in the NFL, not just Seahawks and Patriots, but first. One last time, D.K., it's been 24-ish hours since we'll came. got frame-mogged by all the Seattle Moids and Voids. Yeah.

How does it feel waking up today being a Super Bowl champion basking? Ah, yeah. I'm just letting it wash over me. How nice was it going home last night, laying in your bed, and just opening up Twitter and just scrolling? Oh, yeah. There's no better feeling than your team winning a huge game and then just logging online. Watching all the party celebration videos. It's the fucking best.

All the speeches, you know, the people crying. Stats start trickling in, how great the game was. Did you see Ken Walker and Darnold in the little teacup? Disney World just spin around I did that was today I did not see that yet it's pretty great but yeah man Disneyland or world I was confused it I don't know the one in California wherever they went I'm sure it was the one in California Disneyland right yeah they're crazy if they flew to Orlando the line is I'm going to Disney World I have to imagine they went to Disneyland yes oh they

went to Disneyland yeah somewhere in the bay you're right yeah yeah but no it feels great feels great getting a ton of text from all my friends I'm just like learning how much fun everybody had last night's been awesome So yeah. What was the best text you got? My dad actually texted me that he got to the point in the game last night where he felt bad for Drake May. You know it's a ass kicking where you start feeling bad for the other team. That's like my mom.

She feels bad when quarterback's throw interceptions. Right. Yeah. She's like, oh, that shouldn't be allowed. This is going to be bad. Can you email us actually if you have parent takes like that? Ringer Fantasy Football atcom. Like, my mom feels bad when they throw a pick.

Yeah. That's a good take. Yeah. So, yeah. There's a bad. There's a lot of pressure on this guy. me. I don't think he deserves all the blame for that loss. I think it was a team lost by the Patriots, a team win by the Seahawks. The other thing I think that kind of became apparent last night as I was going through everything is the Super Bowl was kind of unbiased. Everybody kind of thought that Super Bowl was boring. Yeah. Except for Seahawks fans. But if you look at sort of the way that the Seahawks got to the Super Bowl and won it, getting through both the 49ers two times and the Rams twice in very iconic fun. exciting down to the minute or down to last minute games.

I think the way that Sioux got to the Super Bowl was really cool and really memorable. I don't know. I bet you do. You're like, I loved beating my two-divisioner rivals. Yeah, he's like, when we beat the Niners by 40, that was super entertaining. Everybody loved it. From the literal opening kickoff. No, but I'm like immediately over.

I'm comparing it to, you know, other runs in Seac's history. And like, obviously, the 2013 Super Bowl, that was an iconic run. Some of the wins that they had in those playoffs. And I think if you look at sort of the last six or seven weeks of the Seahawks season, you know, it's going to be one of the all-time seasons. So, yeah, I think the other thing I thought that was interesting, and we talked about this a little bit on the recap show, but the identity and the personality of the Seahawks team, relative to that 2013 CX team, the Legion of Boom team is so different. And it's interesting how teams take on the personality of their coach. I think this happens in a lot of sports. And Mike McDonald is just so, he's kind of serious and just on it with all the details.

And I think the Seahawks of the 2013 Seahawks, the Legion of Boom era, they were the type of team that were really loud, really brash. I mean, Pete Carroll kind of collected all these random, very high personality abrasive people. I mean, Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas, Marshaun Lynch, Michael Bennett, go through the line. Doug Baldwin, who's like openly, you know, sort of undermining Russell Wilson throughout that whole period. It was just such a crazy collection of people. And then you go to this Seahawks team and they're very quiet and militant. Yeah.

Like someone said this on Twitter. I was like, they were almost like nonplussed when they won the Super Bowl. I was like, oh, we kind of knew this is going to happen. They were like on to week one. Seahawks? Yeah. The Seattle players, the, it reminded me almost of the chiefs. And when I, this is flex, but like I was in the locker.

when they won the third one. And I was like, they, they were so, like, the Eagles one? No, the Chiefs one. Well, yeah, the Chiefs Eagles. They beat the Eagles the first time in Arizona. And they were so, like, been there, done that. Like, it was so routine.

And it was weird how the Seattle players also kind of felt like we fully expected to do this. And this isn't, like, a couple guys are like, this is the greatest moment of my life. But a lot of them are also just like, yeah, cool, we did it. Yeah. I would say so impressive to get guys to the point where they can expect it. Yeah. Buy in.

Personality-wise, and this is the kind of way I frame. With the 2013 Seahawks Super Bowl team, you know, that Russell Wilson, Earl Thomas, Richard Sherman team, they loudly demanded respect from everyone. And every moment they got, they were like basically fuck you to anybody that doubted them. And this Seahawks team doesn't even care. They don't care about whether you respect them. No, they quietly earned your respect. Yeah. And their whole rallying call this year was mob ties, M-O-B ties, and Mission over bullshit is sort of their mantra.

What is it? Mob ties, Mission Over Bullshit The Dark Side How many fucking things They need to send 17 hours Can you rank those? We'll get I like mob ties

I think that's good Because it's like Legion of Boom But M-O-B Instead of L-O-B You sure it's not Mogg ties They're mocking everyone Well they're frame-mogging They really did frame-mog the patient

Wait explain mob ties Like their ties are the Legion of Boom No their next generation of that It's an acronym for mission over bullshit Okay So they're not They're not engaging in all the outward bullshit their mission is only thing that matter.

Yeah, exactly. It's like, you know, and I think it does kind of represent the type of team they are, the type of personality they have as a team. It's like the mission is the only thing that matters. They don't partake in all that other stuff. Which is funny. The phrase mob dies to me makes it seem like they're cheating, and they have like nasty connections under the table that get things done.

I think it's a clever play on the fact that the other really famous defense was called L-O-B for Legion of Boom, and the next letter in the alphabet is M. So they were like M-O-B. They're like mission over bullshit. And it worked out really well. I wonder if they've reverse engineered that probably. I like it more than the dark side, though. Dark side's tough.

Dark side never stuck. Where did Legion of Boom come from? I think they're actually of the age that Legion of Doom was like the show. They were kids. So they liked the Legion of Doom. And then they remade some of the artwork from Legion of Doom. Okay. Which I don't actually really know what the Legion of Doom was all.

I think is that just the guy comes up of this? He's like, ah, he just laughs in the little swamp. or whatever. It's a comics thing. Okay. I don't really know anything about it. DC. Also,

Marshawn Lynch commercial after the game. I don't know if you guys saw this. It was, I think, the first commercial they went to after the game was over. I tapped you in the shoulder. I was like, this is awesome. Watch this.

And he was blacked out. I was like, fucking scrolling Twitter with one hand and the other hands in his pants. But it was like basically, it was a Nike commercial for Marshawn Lynch. Yeah. And he said,

nothing tastes as good as getting a lickback, which, I'm going to be honest, I had to look up what that meant. I don't, I don't use that slang. I've had to Google a lot of things, Marshall Lynch is. You know, basically it's just getting revenge is great. Yeah, getting a lick back. I mean, doesn't it look like a punch?

Yeah. Right? Yes. Yeah. Get your licks in? I think it's obvious. Yeah. Because.

Anyway, Marshawn Lynch, getting revenge for not getting the football on that final play, the fateful play in Super Bowl. Would you give up this Super Bowl to have won that Super Bowl? Oh. You have to be, yes, you take that. Probably. Back to back is rare. Yeah, yeah.

No, you do that. Yeah. You beat Brady. Yeah. That's easy. But this feels good still. But having Super Bowl's 10 years apart or 12 years apart is also kind of nice. Sure.

Yeah. Because now you've just been talking about 10 years ago for a long time. You kind of reset the clock. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I also think, and one of the reasons I brought up everything about the personality of this team is it does feel to me a little more stable than the last Sehawks team where it was like, man, Pete's got to hold this thing together for as long as he can

because it's so many big personalities. And, you know, this one feels to me a little more stable in the sense that, I mean, I think they'll be a very good team next year. I mean, the odds opened. They're the Super Bowl favorite right now, of course, according to the odds. And so that gives me some excitement for, you know, 2026 and beyond. I want to apologize that we missed the stat of the game,

which was that Patriots ran for 79 yards, but Bad Bunny carried a football for 124 yards. He went for 124. They did the GPS track. He had the football for 124 yards. Nice. Does that include him climbing up the pole or like falling into the house? They don't have the 3D tracking.

The elevation, you know, when you do hiking or biking, they do the elevation. Yeah, of course. Yeah, you have your whoop now. Yeah, yeah, it would tell me. What do you think its strain was? Oh, that was, you know, a good 11 and a half 12 strain. I would love to know what his heart rate was. Yeah.

All these like megastars, I want to know what their heart rate is when they're on stage. It's probably very low, right? I think even he's nervous for that. I think the only person who wasn't. nervous doing it was probably like Michael Jackson how many huge ass things he plays. He sells out larger stadiums than that. Yes, he's literally the only person

who can understand Bad Bunny's scale is probably Taylor Swift. And even then this is 10 times bigger than the biggest thing he's ever done. That's 20, it's like 30 times bigger. In terms of audience? Yes. Yeah, yeah. You get one shot. I think even... I wonder.

Yeah, I don't know. These people are built different. I feel very confident saying this because I have watched a bunch of of Instagram videos after the game about Bad Bunny. And one of them was a guy who was going, I forget who it was, but he was going on the shop with Bad Bunny and they were doing makeup together and Bad Bunny. Realized he could speak Spanish. So he's like, he didn't want to say English,

but he was like in Spanish, he was like going on with Jay Z and LeBron. And he looks and he's like, I'm really nervous to do this show. And he was like, why? You're Bad Bunny. And he was like, I know, but like I'm really nervous to talk to Jay Z. Yeah, but that's something he doesn't normally do. I feel like performing is what he's best at. I don't know.

I don't think I'm weird for saying he's nervous He's probably a little nervous But you have to imagine these people are You know You want to nail it Yeah Yeah Yeah

It went well Do you get it It's like the Alex Honnold thing I don't control your Yes Your fear And internalize it He did a good job

Anything else DK On the Super Bowl Seahks I have one email from the Patriots And then I want to go through Actually You have an email from the Patriots?

No that's not true I have an email from a Patriots fan Braeble wait in He listened to the show last night Jesus Okay the this is from Wes W. Bone

and he just he was like I wanted to weigh in on how Patriots fans should be feeling because we were talking about how it was not a must-win game for the Patriots in the Super Bowl and Wes was the rarely ever seen to the email account, he said Hyfittes is right which I very rarely see and he was like the intensity of feeling for this Patriots

loss barely registers 2007 loss horrific Luzonitic Falls excruciating there's a 10 to 10 intensity feelings Malcolm Butler 28 to 3 or Malcolm Butler picked 20 to 3 comeback 10 to 10 euphoria. He's like, I lived and died with those Tom Brady era. Sorry.

Lived and died with those Tom Brady era Patriot Super Bowls, Brady's legacy. This just doesn't really hurt because this whole season snuck up on us. We lost 13 games last year. Didn't even think about the playoffs until half through the season. And he says, I live in Oklahoma and maybe the Boston types are different. But it just seems we overachieved on a bad schedule. And it was just fun to watch Drake May. And I feel like a lot of people will hear that and say that's such cope.

That's copium. I actually really don't think it is. I think it's being spoiled. Right. It's like, oh, yeah, we got there, but like, I kind of knew this wasn't the team, so no big deal. I've already watched 11 others. I really don't think it's cope.

It's champagne problems. Yeah. So Justin Sales was talking to me about this this morning. The Patriots, I mean, we said this last night, but Patriots have been in 12 Super Bowls. Yes. There's 60 total Super Bowls. 12 out of 60.

And they're all in their lifetime. They're all in their lifetime. It's 20%. Yeah. It's crazy. Like, and I was doing research for some other thing that we were doing, like two weeks ago. And I kept coming in,

I kept coming upon, like falling upon these random Super Bowls that I don't remember at all that were from the 80s of the Patriots losing. I was like, how many fucking Super Bowls

has the Patriots been in and they've lost as many as they've won? Six and six. Yeah. So it's just, yeah, they've been 12 Super Bowls. Think about that.

Well, crazy. How many, how many of the Steelers been to? They're eight. Eight. Okay. But it's the concentration. What?

Are they second? They're tied. Second most. But that's different. They both have six. No, no, they've been to.

Eight. How many? Who's second and total Super Bowl's been to? Oh. The Super Bowl appearances is the

word they're looking for. Thank you. The point though. How many Super Bowls have the second most team? I think he's, what is the second most Super Bowl has been to?

I don't know. It's been a long week, all right, I'm tired. I think that, probably the Niners, but I think the point is that that's not even the comparison because the Steelers were there in the 70s,

and the Niners were in the 80s. 11 of the last 25 years the Patriots made the Super Bowl. There's a presidential election every four years. The Patriots Literally make the Super Bowl literally every two to three years for 25 years. Patriots 12, but then it's Steelers, Cowboys, Niners, and Broncos all had eight appearances.

That's over a 50-year span. This is more than half the span. Anyway, we can be enough of the Patriots. I want to just run by, we're going through all the quarterbacks, but first, I just want to run through the Super Bowl out to you guys next year. I basically tiered them out. The Seahawks and Rams are basically tied as the favorites, eight to one. I think that's exactly correct. Makes sense.

There are head and shoulders by everyone else. Stafford's coming back. There is a tier two of Ravens, Bills, and Packers are all like 12 to one. And then there's like the Chargers, Eagles, Lions, Chiefs, Patriots, 49ers, Broncos, Jags, and Texans are all basically in the same group of 15 to 20 to 1. It's interesting the Chiefs have fallen off so precipitously. I find that to be ridiculous. Yeah. I actually, I think the Chiefs, it's over. And we're going to say it's over.

It's over. No, it's not. It's over? What does that mean for the next two years? You think Mahomes is done? Not Mahomes is done. Whatever. You think the Mahomes Chiefs are done? No, I think the Andy Reid chiefs are done. Okay. I'm saying when Mahomes is on the Chiefs,

do you think they will ever be good again? I'm saying I think that this is who they are, which is there will always be a dangerous playoff team, but I don't think they're a Super Bowl. Like, they're going to, I don't think they're going to win the Super Bowl. They've lost their superpower. The truth is that this is,

they're just doing what the Andy Reed Eagles did all over again, but they were good enough to win all the Super Bowls that Andy Reid kept losing in the conference title games. But the way that Andy Reid petered out in the Eagles games in the Eagles era is very similar to this. I mean, I guess, I know it sounds all like, it sounds like a hot take. to be like, oh, like the Chiefs are done,

but I'm just saying, Mahomes is 30, coming off at 20 ACL, I, you say this, but okay, but all we, like how quickly you forget, all we complained about until the day before Patrick Gomez-Torries ACL was that the Chief's offense hasn't been good in three years. Like, I'm just saying,

now they hit all those draft picks on defensive players and they had them on rookie contracts. By the time Mahomes is healthy again, they're not going to have like just cheap defensive starters at every spot. And so now you're going to have this, offense where it's like Kelsey's gone and they have all these problems and it's like Andy Reed in the offense it sucks it's outdated Matt Nagy's leaving they're bringing Eric B enemy back

they're out of ideas they don't know how to move the football Matt Nagy might be a good thing leaving well maybe but the fact but I'm just saying like I'm not trying to be like they're bad they're going to like be in the top five of the draft I'm just saying like Andy Reid has had really competitive six year windows but now they're getting back to like that era was when it wasn't didn't the football didn't look like what we just saw this season where it's like you have to be able to run the ball get off play action they made all the Super Bowls when was like Andy Reid's strength was the strategy that would win. Yeah.

Fuck running the ball. We're going to do all this weird passing shit. And now it's back to like giant teams, like play action under center. And I'm like, that's what anybody's ever wanted to do. I think that's right. However, I would still happily gobble up any Mahomes stock that you're selling. Tom Brady towards ACL 31. Like that to me means nothing.

Yeah, that's fine. But that was coming off with the literal best season anyone had ever seen. Yeah. But you, I don't know what the point is like he's 30 and he towards ACL. Like, am I supposed to be worried about his health? I'm saying I'm not worried. worried about Mahomes. I'm saying Andy Reid is 68. Yeah. And I'm just like, like, and that's what I'm not, I've literally tried to say, I'm not saying Mahomes is cooked. I'm saying Andy Reid's 68 and I don't know if he's going to get back to cutting edge offense. That's all. It's been four years since we're going to be. I think they're going to be a problem next year.

Well, look at them. Top 10 picking the draft. Okay. Just takes a couple, couple hits in the draft. I got to tell you, I didn't think throwing Andy Reid under the bus under the bus was controversial. All we complained about is the chief's offense sucks. No, that's fair. And I agree it. He came in and the whole like pass first. His offensive style worked when it did and now things are shifting towards like a heavier personnel run the ball all that stuff and that's not really the chief's style but I don't know if I buy that that just means the chiefs are dead to rights until Andy Reid leaves because they won't be able to adjust. I don't know. I don't know if I agree

with that. You say this but then one day you're going to be like oh my God he is old. He can be old. Can he adjust? We'll see. Okay. Let's go through Tough division for the chiefs. We're going to get there.

let's go through all the the teams you need a quarterback this season because off-season's here I think everyone, especially after like for everyone else other than Danny Kelly Real season starts now for a lot of fan bases this is the strap in this is the only time of the year

This is the Raiders Super Bowl right now I know we say like you know this is I should never say this is the year for the Giants but this is the year for the Giants and this is the year for every so we're just going to go through every team if you know it's not the year for the Steelers there ain't the year for the Steelers

I'm already looking at 2028 2027 I don't know All right. Rogers McCarthy back together. That's true. We're going to do another one of those, you know, mashups where Craig goes on the roller coaster. It's like Zoolander 2.

It's like, oh. You're going to be like, I'm all in. Rogers looks fantastic. He looks spry. He's got a strong arm. He can make any throw on the field. I don't know. I don't know.

Something's going well here. I don't know if the season finished this way, but there was a long stretch of the season where Rogers had the longest throw in the league. Just want to point that out. there is a chance that the Steelers offense is better next year than it was last year. Let's just start with the AFC North then. The Steelers, do they need a quarter?

Like, obviously they need someone beyond this season, but do you think Aaron Rogers comes back to play with Mike McCarthy? Apparently, it's been reported that they've talked about, Rogers and McCarthy have talked several times. And the other people they have on the roster of Mason, Rolf, Will Howard, and Skyler Thompson. If he wants to play, you should take him back. I agree. And I think because the other options are not great. The draft is bad. The Steelers have the 21st pick.

The free agent pool is bad. Rogers was good enough last year. And maybe the offense will be better under McCarthy than whatever the hell was going on with. I think Arthur Smith did a fine job for what they had. But maybe McCarthy and Rogers will be better suited for one another. I mean, the whole thing with Rogers and Arthur Smith is like, how is this going to work?

Who's going to be the one who ultimately wins the decision making? It was kind of like for a portion of the game, it was Arthur Smith. And then when it got into the final two minutes, it was like Rogers took over instead of calling the plays. But obviously he has the relationship with McCarthy. And I do think physically he looks fine. McCarthy or Rogers?

Not McCarthy. I think Rogers looks fine. As long as you're not looking at his headshot in the helmet. Right, right, right. One time, it was like one Sunday, Liz was watching the game with me. And she was like, who is that man? He is old. That is an old man.

I was like, you bite your tongue. That's our quarterback. So, no, I don't think they need a quarterback this year. But I would love for them to try to develop somebody under Rogers, whether that's Will Howard, who I like, or we drafted another guy and figure it out. Okay. Bengals.

Would you agree? What do you think? I think he's probably their best option. Yes. Yeah. No, I disagree. You're like they should get a young quarterback and develop them, though.

Just stick with Rogers. But like if we want to draft a quarterback in the third round, I can find. No, I know. I was a joke. I was trying to trigger you. Do you agree? Yes.

I think they should get a young quarterback Aaron Rogers. Okay. Sorry. To be clear, we're going through each and every team in determining whether they need a quarterback or not. Yes. Yeah.

AFC North, Cincinnati Bengals, Joe Burrow, they do not need a quarterback. No. Baltimore Ravens, Lamar Jackson, they do not need a quarterback. I don't want you, no, look at your, keep your eyebrows down. You both raised your eyeballs, put them down. Put them where they are. We're doing content for too long.

Put them where the fuck they are. Or... Do you agree with the Ravens having way, way, way better Super Bowl odds in the Chiefs? Yes. No. The fuck are we doing. What is the Ravens... Have you just forgotten what it was like to watch the...

What is Lamar Jackson done in the playoffs? That's made you feel confident. Lamar Jackson didn't make the playoffs either. he was hurt. The Chiefs sucked when Mahomes was healthy. The Ravens were pretty bad all year, too. Ravens stunk. That's why they didn't make the playoffs.

What they won in five before he got hurt? He was terrible. Then bet the fucking Chiefs then. I will. Do it. I feel like, didn't we discuss that every year? It was like you should never falter and just bet the Chiefs every year because more often than not you'll be right.

Like 40% of the time they'll probably make the Super Bowl. But also, I think that what we're forgetting is that like... What have you seen out of Lamar that makes you so confident that they should have double the odds of Patrick Mahomes? because Lamar has been a better quarterback. They have a brand new coach. They have a brand new offensive coordinator. Lamar was terrible last year.

I think there will be, I think the receivers aren't good. Derek Henry's old. Oh, don't. That's how I know you're being, you're lying for your fucking teeth. You said Mahomes towards ACL when he's 30 years old.

What does that mean? That means this season I'm a little concerned. We always talk about this. You're lying through your teeth because you said Derek Henry's old and you don't give a shit about that. Derek Henry fumbled a lot last year. It's like 32.

The defense is going to get better. It's really simple. I think that the defense got worse under Zach Or. when Mike McDonald left and Jesse Minter running the defense means the Ravens will be closer to what we just saw from Seattle than what we saw from the Ravens last year. We're talking about the league in Lomar Jackson.

We're not talking about what team's going to be better. You're talking about the best defense and we're talking about the Super Bowl. Yeah. How have the Ravens done in the playoffs lately? How have the Chiefs done in the playoffs lately? I feel crazy right now. Yeah, you are crazy. But also we just watched the Chief, dude,

even when the Chiefs won the Super Bowl a few years ago. Yeah. When they went to the third time, right. Three straight? Yeah, yeah. Am I, all right? Literally, all right, maybe another way to say this. I feel like I'm crazy right now

because I'm saying this team that made four, how many Super Bowls they make? They made five Super Bowls in seven years and won three of them. Okay, take Tom Brady out of it. Who else has done that and then kept going? It's never happened. It's not crazy.

Why do we have to take Tom Brady out of it? Mahomes is up there in the greatest quarterbacks of all time. Of course he is. And even Tom, okay, so even Tom Brady did not win another Super Bowl for seven years after Tories ACL. Like, what about this is crazy? Yeah, but in those years,

the Patriots probably still had pretty damn good odds. Yeah, and Belichick was 20 years younger than Andy Reid. This is, I feel crazy right now where I'm saying, I literally, all I'm trying to say is that the Seahawks Rams

Ravens in the odds, and I think that's weird. Yeah, the Ravens? The Ravens are, I mean, look, the Ravens are teetering on collapse, in my opinion. See, this is where we disagree. The Ravens were the most injured team

in the NFL last year, and I'm like, we'll be healthier. The Ravens are basically the Chargers. They're going to find some spectacular way to fuck it up in the playoffs every year. What are we doing? The Harbaugh curse, something to say. I actually am like kind of speechless. The Ravens season, I guess the way it's put it is they...

I like it when you're on my side on these things. It is fine. I guess here's my question. Do you guys feel that last year was like a catastrophe for the Ravens, a calamity that, like a sign of things to come? Because they literally still had more fucking wins than the Chiefs. Like this horrible Raven season, they won eight games. We're not talking about wins.

We're talking about winning the Super Bowl, to be clear. That's where I landed. How many players do the Chiefs have in defense better? Like the Ravens have the better player defense almost everywhere. All I'm saying is if I'm going to choose a team to win the Super Bowl, it's going to be the one that went to three straight Super Bowls has won three Super Bowls in the past like eight years. I'm going to choose that team to win the Super Bowl over the Ravens

who historically just make spectacular ways to get out of the playoffs every year. Lamar is pretty firmly entrenched in tier two. And I think it's going to take a lot for me to put them in tier one. And until then, I don't think I can put them above the chiefs. I'm going to tell you, it's actually a good sign for the show. I didn't actually know there was a topic we could feel this passionately about at this point. I didn't know we could disagree this. I've given up being a Ravens believer.

I'm like, I'm out on that. I mean, they might win the Super Bowl next year. But I'm still taking the team that has done so well in the playoffs and so well on the postseason. The chiefs are below the lions, the eagles, the chargers, the packers. I don't know. Yeah. We should probably bet them on that office. You should probably bet the chiefs.

Yeah. Anyway, I did not think. So the Ravens don't need a quarterback. Also, to be clear. Yeah, all I was trying to say was how dare you talk about Lamar Jackson being fucking replaced. Make me, I feel crazy. Stick around. I don't think Lamar should be replaced.

For the off season when we just trigger each other, every show. Yeah. The Browns. No, I think they're doing pretty good. I mean, they have a pro bowl. They're two away or two this year. They have two pro bowlers. Deshawn Watson, Sir Sanders,

quarterback battle between two Pro Bowl quarterbacks. Yes, they need a quarterback. You can put them in that. Shon Watson off two in Achilles that he then retore, making $46 million a year versus Shador Sanders, and then Delgado's there. That's not quite the situation. So the Browns have the sixth pick in the draft.

No chance they get a quarterback. They're probably not going to use that on a quarterback, I would assume. So the quarterback's going to be Shador this year, right? I think he'll be in the conference. He'll be in the competition. If Watson can... I don't know.

I actually don't think... Oh, how's it build up? Bless you. Man. You're literally allergic to this room. Yeah. That's... No, I still can't believe you at the audacity.

He'll be like, Derek Henry's old. Like, you've never cared anyone said that ever. We say Derek Henry's old every year. What are you talking about? You know what you did. I was pissed at you saying, my home store's age. He's yellow. He's 30.

I'm like, okay? That's not for... All right, I couldn't have been clearer for this season. But what does his age matter this season? Why does it matter that he's 30? It's more about he tours he's still at the end of the year. Why does it matter that he's 30 or 25?

What is the difference? All right, fine. You know what you did. You were also trying to spin it. If he was 29, you wouldn't have said that. It was because he was 30. Well, I'm 30 and it sucks. It's fucking awful.

I know. Craig was just complaining about his hamstrings, actually. My hamstring is crazy tight. My left one is crazy tight. Did you stretch before you play basketball? Always, of course. What should stretch routine? Walk you through my stretches? A little. I also, I pulled my hamstring. I want to know what you do.

This is, we're on day nine. I have various hamstring stretches. I don't know. The classics. Okay. Bend over. I don't. Usually I try the bend over. Clearly, I don't have some secret magical stretch. I try the thing where I'm touching my feet. Yeah. Well, I wanted, I sit down and I stretch it. I stand up and I stretch it. I want to ask if you have. You know what I don't have that some people do is. What's your hamstring root? The Russian upside down twist. I do that one. Winter Olympics.

You know the people who they have the band, though, that you, like, wrap around the foot and you're laying on your back and you pull your leg up? Anthony Richardson. That's my routine. Yeah, that's a nice one. That one hit me in the face, though, unfortunately. Okay.

Well, speaking to which, AFC South. Okay. Jaguars do not need a quarterback, Trevor Lawrence. Fifth in MVP voting, actually. Should have been third. Tennessee Titans do not need a quarterback. Kim Ward played well as a rookie. Yeah, you played well.

Texans, no. Texans, no. The vibes are worse, but no. This is the year. I can't believe you guys raised your eyebrows at Lamar Jackson, but don't raise your eyebrows at C.J. Stroud. I think that's insulting. We were doing a bit. Yeah.

I'm glad we have that on record. No, the other stuff wasn't a bit. Also, Lamar's, how many, this is he, Lamar's had played like seven seasons and has collapsed in like three different playoffs. Didn't you guys pick the, didn't you guys have the Ravens at the Super Bowl this year? Yeah. No, no, no. Writ my heart out. I took, I said before the start of this season, I was like, I'm not doing the Ravens.

All their players got hurt. I'm out. Anyway, you know what? I'm not doing this again. Indianapolis cults, do they need a quarterback? Yes and no. So like Daniel Jones is a free agent. Technically they do need one.

He tore his Achilles. And they both think he'll be ready for training camp, but it's going to be hard for them to agree on a contract. So they might have to franchise tag him. But the franchise tag is a one-year deal for $47 million. Can't do that. Sounds crazy, but it's like it's a sixth. But they're probably got to.

I will say the important thing with the money is it sounds insane, but it's always the same as a percentage of the cap. It's like one-sixth of their budget in the quarterback, because it's $300 million now. But it is insane. to think that Achilles tears have gone from this thing of like, oh, his career's over to, it will like marginally affect his contract negotiations, which is insane? Yeah.

I mean, wouldn't you argue for Daniel Jones that it would actually benefit him to take a little bit less money to stay in Indy because of how good they were with him and how the system fits him? Like him taking money elsewhere and, you know, testing the market. He goes to like Miami and just tries it out there. He might be fucking terrible. Yeah, a situation he knows he'll be good in and he might have to take a little bit less money. I mean, especially with like this whole Sam Donald thing where we talked about it all year, the situation is so important, the belief in the coaching stuff, the belief from your teammates, all that stuff.

I think the fans probably still believe in him pretty strongly, even though he did falter a little bit towards the end there. Sure, there's risk for Jones. I would argue there's far more risk for the Colts because if you let Daniel Jones go after he was great for you for his season, right after Sam Donald wins the Super Bowl because the Vikings let him go and the Colts give up two first round picks to get a quarterback. If you let him go, then, okay, you didn't have to pay $47 million for a season. waste of season. Who gives a shit? The cult's a waste of the last nine seasons or whatever. Like, you're going to have like your 10th straight week one with a different starting quarterback. Like, no, you bring Daniel Jones back, hope he stays healthy and is your guy for like a five or six year window because if you just start from scratch again and just hope either Anthony Rich, I mean,

Anthony Richardson, by the way, we don't even know still what the deal is with his vision. Like his face got hurt, but like his eye, like they, the only thing more expensive than money is just literally going back and being like, we have to start completely over again. So I do think they're going to have to pay him. And the number starts at 47 million because Daniel Jones can just sit there and cross his arms and then they'll have to fucking tag him, which is crazy. Unless he wants to, like,

what if you wants a three-year deal? Well, that's what the tag is for, because if you do a three-year deal, you can lower the $47 million number now later. Totally. But so the way the cap works is like they could pay them $30 million now and $60 later or whatever.

But if it's franchise tag, it is $47 million this season. They're probably going to sign him to a deal, right? I bet you they do. I think they probably do. But it's going to look like... Like, it'll be like a darnal deal, like a three years a hundred or something like that.

But it's funny of football work. How much fun did you guys make fun of the Giants for signing Daniel Jones in that contract? Because he's gonna get it again, but the same number, but he's gonna get, instead of 160 on four years, he's gonna 1.60 on three years of tutorials Achilles. There's just not very many quarterbacks out there. But isn't that crazy? Yeah. Yeah, it's wild. And I was like, I immediately wanted to defend the Colts decision to do this, but it's... What else you did it? What else you did it? How many games did he play? I think he went like nine and four. He cracked his leg bone. Oh, he played that long.

Okay. You went like 9 and 4 Torz Achilles in the 14th game, roughly, something like that? About 130 hours after they said his leg couldn't get any worse. Right. He had a broken leg.

His leg cannot get worse. Yeah. It's also, all of this is so much trickier because the draft is terrible for quarterbacks. Like, there's no hope. If it were the, you know, the Caleb Williams draft

and there was like six quarterbacks people liked in the first 15 picks. What about the next year's draft? Maybe they could get a quarterback and next year's draft. Oh, no, they traded it their first round pick in both of the next two drafts for a cornerback,

who then also had Achilles' tightness. It's a tough runout. Sorry for the Colts. Okay. That is the AFC South. AFC West. Weird division.

Denver Broncos do not need to replace Boe-Nex and yet Sean Payton literally brought it up anyway, which is weird. He wouldn't have drafted him. That'd be fine. He'd be fine. There's no team in this division

needs a quarterback. No, but it's weird that Sean Payton went out of his way to publicly remind people that I told Boe-Nex if I had known about your ankle and that it was inevitable would be broken. It is weird.

But he literally not only said that, I wouldn't have taken you. Then Bo Nix did you come out publicly say He shouldn't say that shit How dare you talk about my private medical information And you're wrong HIPPA It's only with doctors but yes it's still

Poor taste And it was just a poor attempt at a joke Like it just landed so flat He tried to like laugh And the media was like this What? Chiefs? Mahomes, I don't know You think maybe

Yeah maybe They do need a backup quarterback Because genuinely like they can't pressure moms To be ready for week one Because Gardner Minshu also tore his ACL So they actually need a backup quarterback There is a team that needs a quarterback in this division.

Well, yes, but... Well, the Raiders are gonna take for... Well, they really don't, though, because the Raiders are the first pick. They're gonna take for Natham, I doubt. Correct.

Chargers are... Chargers don't. It is worth noting, one, the Chargers hired Adam Gase. Yes. After a five-year hiatus from the NFL, Adam Gase to the charges staff. I kind of like when the guy like that

is like a specialist has a very, very small role in the coaching staff, and he can just lock in and be his weird self specifically and do one thing really well than have to manage human beings, which you won't have to do. Right.

I don't know. Can I take this a moment? I think we have more... You've a lot of crazy minds in there. You've Harbaugh, fucking Mike McDaniel, and Adam Gase is... Insane. It's insane. Nightmare blood rotation. It has been years since I've been able to tell the story.

We have a lot of listeners who haven't heard this. Can I remind people with the Adam Gase's wife pregnant story? Yeah. So he was on this... Harbaugh probably loves this story. Harbaugh is probably why I hired it. So the year Peyton Manning broke all the records and then Seahawks destroyed them in the Super Bowl. Peyton Manning was, you know, 55 touchdowns.

And Adam Gase was kind of like a little bobblehead. This is from Dan Pompey at the Athletic. But this story, crucially, is from Adam Gase's wife. Like, this is in her words. Are they still married? I don't know. I'm going to look at up. Excellent query.

Something we should find. This is Dan Pompey at the athletic. I think they were the ones who got divorced at the Kid Rock show. Yeah, they got divorced. That was a real divorce, yeah. So Dan Pompey wrote the straight at the athletic that every Tuesday, this is October 1st, 2013. Every Tuesday, Adam Gase was in Denver. He met with Peyton Manning at 2 o'clock.

Except one Tuesday, Adam's wife, Jennifer, was delivering their son, Wyatt, by C-section. Adam Gase tells his wife to schedule the operation for 10 a.m. And this is literally a quote from Adam Gace's wife. They pull the baby out of me and say, it's a boy. And they didn't even put my... Pull the baby out of them. These are her words. I'm not changing them.

She says, they did not even put my organs back and sew me up before Adam says, you good? And I said... You good. Put my organs back is vivid. And then Adam says, yeah, I'm good. And he says, all right, then, I'm out. and the doctors say

Do you want to talk like that? He really said that. This is his wife. He couldn't even say, are you okay? Perhaps she was embellishing to make him look even worse? Although she is the daughter of an NFL player. Maybe she gets it. Maybe she's like, the guy loves ball.

The doctors then say, hey, Mr. Gase, do you want to cut the umbilical cord? And he says, no, I'm good. And then he goes back to work. Which is, maybe he's just very madman. Don Draper. I mean, it's not a good look. No, it's not a good look. So him and Mike McDaniel and Jim Harbaugh, all going to talk.

That's such a good point. I will be betting the nightmare bloodletation. It's funny, the nightmare bloodletion. Do you imagine the discussions that happened in those three years? There's going to be conversations in a room where it's Herbert Harbaugh, McDaniel, and Gase. Jim Harbaugh is sitting there like, do you guys remember the day you were born? Ed Edom Gays is like, I don't even remember the day my son was born. I'm all in on the Chargers once a minute.

Oh, God. It's an incredible team. They are my favorite team in the NFL. All right, so that's the UFC. Yeah, they're amazing. You said, by the way, you said, I think on the show that if Mike McCarthy is hired as the coach of the Steelers, you're going to be a Steelers fan.

Charges fan. I am. We have to do AMC East. Yeah, sorry, AFC East. So Patriots do not need a quarterback. Drake May. Don't, okay, let's keep wondering if you guys are going to do a bit. Buffalo Bills, oh, stop. Buffalo Bills do not need a quarterback.

They have Josh Allen. Can't wait a big one, though. Jets obviously do. Only quarterbacks on the roster. Tarrad Taylor. Jets always need a quarterback in perpetuity. Dude, they fired their offensive coordinator three weeks after the season ended and hired Frank Reich

who was also out of the game. It's a little crazy. Is this the worst second pick in the draft in a while? It has to be. Yeah. Oh, God. Worst being least obvious. Least obvious and worst. Factoring in what you need.

That is also a good point because if you could just take a tackle, cool. The Jets are like, just used two picks on tackles. Who's the funniest quarterback? I feel like we play this game every year. Who's the funniest quarterback that the Jets could have starting this year? Justin Fields. Yeah. Where's he going to be?

Well, I was going to say the other team is the dolphins, and part of me thinks it would be funny if the dolphins cut Tua, and then he signed with the Jets. It's Tua by my... It has to be Tua. Oh, my lord. It is Tua. It's Tia by a lot.

So, A lot. And that the dolphins are willing to take money in a deal. And again, we've talked about this. Tua doing pressers every week in the New York media. Oh, God. It's going to be something. It's going to be something. The question is, is how much of Tua's salary will Miami have to pay?

lot. Like 95%. Sounds like they're willing. It's like Russell Wilson and Broncos thing. It's a third of their salary. They'll have to cut it in half and do a six of each of the

salary. Six of the budget this year, six of the budget next year. No one's going to like, no one's going to trade. I mean, the Steelers paid Russell Wilson like $1 million and the Broncos

were paying him $49 or whatever. Yeah. And that worked out for Pittsburgh. So maybe somebody should do a shot. I think the dolphins are going to have to cut him. Or just, I mean, the idea that you cut someone,

the fact that the dolphins don't even want to entertain keeping him, being like it's a sunk. you might as well work for us. They're like, no, we'd rather, like, you leave is incredible. But, yeah, if they cut them, I don't know. They might want to send them somewhere.

I don't know. It's not good. But so, Tua is definitely going to be out there. Yes. In Miami, you know, they have a lot of Green Bay Packers people now in the building. It feels like, yeah, it feels very obvious Malik Willis is being funneled there. We'll see. Malik Willis is the guy that we're going to talk about all offseason and he'll play a couple games.

Oh, yeah, he does suck. He's like the ultimate mystery box where it's like, we saw him just. be good enough. Like Matt Flynn, another Packer. Yeah. He's, the difference is like Malik Willis, if he's good, the ceiling's insane, because he's probably the fastest quarterback. He has really good tools at the very least. Matt Flynn never had great tools. It felt like LaFleur dealing with Malik Willis is like, I can do this for a couple games. It was like Josh Dobbs and the Vikings, where you can scheme around it where nobody can really prepare just yet. They don't know exactly what you're going to do. 17 games of Malik Willis on a mediocre team, very different than two

games on a good team. I think the reality is they're, they'll give it a shot because Because, again, would you rather take a one-year shot in Aaron Rogers or like Malik Willis? And you're like, well, if Malik Willis is good, then we actually have a guy for like eight years. Is Tyreek Hill going to play football next year? It's a great question. He's never playing for the Dolphins again. That's a whole separate list is like Brandon Ayuk's never going back to the Niners. Tyreekills never going back to the Dolphins.

I'm wondering. These are the first two guys you mentioned, Tyreek and Ayuk, I'm like, are they going to play football again? Brandon Ayuk, we haven't mentioned him. Should we talk about him or another show? I'm worried about that man. I'm not kidding. Remember that video of him driving by Levi flipping it off? Yes, that's the thing you do

when you're like, man, they put George Kittle and Debo Samuel on Netflix and not me and we lost the Super Bowl and they didn't pay me. Oh, wait, yeah, they did. They gave you $40 million a year. It's weird that you got paid $100 million guaranteed and then flip off the building. I'm like, they gave you a tremendous amount of money. And then Kyle Shannon

said you didn't hear from you for six weeks. So like, that's a little wild. Anyway, word for that guy. That's the AFC. So again, really, the Jets and Dolphins are screwed. Who is going to be the Jets starting quarterback in week one? Oh, well, you want to go through other divisions here? You want to do that first?

I think it is Derek Carr. I think Derek Carr, I mean, going to the Saints for a second, but basically like the Saints... I feel like you can talk yourself into that. Tyler Shuck is good and the Saints don't need him, but I think Derek Carr wanted to sit out of year, do the rehab, his shoulders back. Nick Underhill at New Orleans.Foeblood football.

No, New Orleans. Dot football. Right. Nick Underhill reported that Derek Carr is throwing again. He had a bad shot. shoulder injury, but he's playing and he is a not like a Stafford, but there's a last gas generation of quarterbacks that know how to play football and

like know how to run an offense, even if they're physically not there. And I think that Derek Carr is, believe it or not, the best the Jets can get, to actually get a look and let their offense, try to have a real offense for Garrett Wilson and offensive line and everyone. I think it's going to be the best option they have. I think they give like a fifth round pick for Derek Carr. That may be

the case, but I can't stress enough how much the Jets signing Derek car will not work. Last year we were like Justin Fields is best of no chance. How else could I put this? I can't stress it strongly enough. All the guys when you picture them in Jets' uniforms are like no shot.

I think the Jets should completely redesign their uniforms because I just seeing them just change the name. They need to do maybe they need to change the name. Just rebrand. Derek Carr in a Jets uniform immediate L. It's funny you say that they're green and yellow, sorry, they're green and white because the old owner was the Hess

family. And it was like, color synergy with the Hesses and the Hess trucks and the Hess stations. They don't need to be green and way. They could change the color scheme. You're right. It's cursed.

No, has a team ever really done that? Sure. But without changing their name. Yeah. Keep the difference. Well, maybe. I don't know. Like, if they were just blue and red now,

like no one's ever really done that, right? Well, you can't go blue and red because the Giants are there. You know what I mean. But like, you tweak. Like the Seahawks have tweaked, the Jags have tweaked. I feel like there's probably been

NBA teams that have done it. just completely changed their colors. That's a good take. Because you picture, hey, Kyler Murray, and you're like, as a jet, you're like, oh, as an NBA expert, some of the NBA uniforms are unrecognizable to me at this point. I don't know. And it seems like they have a million different uniforms. Like the Grizzlies have different colors now, don't they?

I think. Weren't the Grizzlies like purple back in the day? And they were also in Vancouver. Yeah. They'd switch countries. So, you know, maybe the jet should do the same thing. They should go to Vancouver. What color?

They had that, like, teal. Yeah, what color should they go? What color scheme are we talking about? So they keep the Jets. Yeah, I know that's what, yeah, Jets kind of a cool name. Gunmetal gray, just gray everything. Just all gray. It's even all gray. I don't know.

What's a color that's not really used too much? Honestly, blue and orange and synergy with the Nix could work. I don't mind that. I like when cities synergized like Pittsburgh. I think it's cool. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, it's great. I wish more cities should get. I blew and orange. Yeah. That's like kind of like Broncosy. What if they go Yankees pinstripe?

Fuck, that's so funny. Why has no one done that? Wait, is that a common combination, Yankees and Jets fans? Because I know that's what? No, it's usually Yankees Giants' right. Because that's like, that's like opposite. There's plenty of everything. There's plenty of people like that.

But for the most part, the biggest percentage is Yankees, Giants, Nicks, and then Rangers. And then there's a lot of, like, Jets. Well, everyone's a Knicks. No one's a Nets fan. But it's still Jets, Nicks, Mets. The Mets have Rangers. Triers. Right?

Yeah. No. Don't they sometimes? No. If they do, then no. Yeah, they do. But it's embarrassing. Oh, yeah.

Pinstripes are literally a says, no. You do the, well, I know that. Actually, the Jets can take the Mets colors. That's also blue and Mets. Actually, I guess that would kind of work for them to be blue orange and Mets. The problem is I think everyone would be a biased.

A blue orange pinstripe for the Jets? Give it a shot. Just do that? That actually, that would kind of, that would work, actually. They should test it. And just use the same logo as the Mets. They should have. A glove?

They change the chain. Change it, just Mets. Just change the chain to an M. Yeah, we want people to stop thinking we suck. What else can we do? It would be cool if there was like alternate jersey week in the NFL and everybody just had to completely pivot from their usual colors. They do that.

They literally do that. What do you mean? They're like throwbacks. It's called the city. They literally do that. Like the city connecting around? The Patriots came out this year and wore like their blizzard noreaster jerseys. Like they're doing this.

Oh, yeah. But that's still kind of in line with the thematic colors of the team. Yeah. But they're experimenting more than ever. They're changing the helmet. They never let them change the helmets until like two years ago. Yeah.

I do kind of think the Mets like branding is pretty iconic. Intraper would be sick. Iconic is for the METO. Iconic is too strong a word, but classic. Classic. Yeah.

A nostalgic charm to it. Email us at a ringer fantasy football at gmail.com if you're a Mets fan and you're just bewildered. Let's get a complete redesign. One pinstripe. It's weak. Come on. We should ask Matt James to do this.

One of our art people. here at the rain. He's a Jets Mets fan. Matt, if you're listening, Cook, redesign the Jets. Okay, that's the AFC. NFC, NFCs, Giants, do not need a quarterback. Dallas Cowboys, Daxonsard, Future,

how dare you? Dallas Cowboys, Dak, do not need a quarterback. Washington, Jaden Daniels, this is elbow, it's fine, he doesn't need a quarterback. Right. Philadelphia Eagles, they don't need a quarterback, but a year from today, we might be talking about they need a quarterback. They don't need a quarterback right now. Not right now, but they also could

if they tried. But they did lose Jeff Stoutland, their outfits of line coach. Yeah. Who... This is big news. This is actually under the radar very big news. And I feel like... Also, the quotes coming out of it were... Very damning. Very, very damning piece of news for my guy, Siriani, who just is the best coach, does everything well. Just, you know, the culture guy, the glue of that whole team.

Just kidding. I think he does absolutely nothing. He is Jack of All Trade's master of nothing derogatory. Jackass of All Trades. Yeah. Jack of no trades, master of none. Jackass of all trades. So the Jeff Stoutland is the offensive line coach in for Philly. And you could argue that there's probably no more like under the radar assistant

that's been more instrumental to a good run than Jeff Stoutland because the way that he designed the... I mean, put it. Jordan Milana is a left tackle for the Eagles. He's probably a top five left tackle in the NFL. He literally had never played football before. Like they just took him in the seventh round or whatever. And they're like an Australian rugby player. Sorry, New Zealand.

No, Australia. I always forget. But they're like, he's never played football. And they just taught him. He's a top five left tackle. And Jeff Stoutland's work. With Jason Kelsey, a sixth rounder, Jason Kelsey is gonna make the Hall fame now. And so the joke has been like, you know, there are certain companies that entire, like, entire companies just rest in some random Excel file that is the person leaves and it just breaks, then, like, an entire company, like, you won't be able to get, like, oil across countries and stuff.

And, like, Jeff Stoutland's just, like, random Excel file that upholds the entire, like, Djenga Block holding the entire Eagles team. You know what you should do? Alienate that guy. I know. So he left and the fact, this is, he's getting a little too big for his britches in my locker room. This ESPN article. You had one job, Siriani. I was, this ESPN article, and again, there's a lot of big eagles involved with the eagles, I won't name them, but like, the idea

that Jeff Stoutland said, he no longer desired the title of run game coordinator because he felt it no longer fit his job description because Kevin Petullo of the office coordinator and Nick Seriani were doing so much without him. They sideline him. Don't even call me run game coordinator. The dude from office space who's down in the basement.

He's like, you took my stapler. Dude. It just took it. Why would you do that? And it's digging your feet in, I feel like it's, you know when you know you're wrong in an argument and you just decided to double down. That's like totally with the Eagles. Like 10 weeks in, they're like the worst fucking offense in the NFL.

And instead of like admit they're wrong and bring in Stoutland and maybe try to bring things back, they just alienate him even more and kick him out. And so Jordan Milat apparently when he found out was crying, like weeping. This is going to go horribly. Too many egos. Yeah. Not the Eagles. The Eagles.

The Philadelphia Egos. Pride comes before the fall, Craig. That's actually the Philadelphia Eagles. That's the expression. I'm writing that down. That's good. Yeah. But yeah, so NFC is no new quarterbacks.

Pretty remarkable. Once the last time the NFC East didn't need a quarterback. Nice job. Honestly, it's probably been a while. I mean, going back and forth between Washington and New York. I know that alone. NFC North, also pretty stable. Bears, Caleb Williams, do not need a quarterback.

Packers, Jordan Love, do not need a quarterback. Lions. Jared Gough, do not need a quarterback. Vikings. This is an interesting one. One of the weird ones in the league. So they just fired their GM in short because I think, Kevin O'Connell wanted to keep Kirk Cousins, and then they made him get rid of him. So Kirk Cousins left.

They signed Sam Darnold. And then Sam Darnold wins 14 games. And then they let him go and they keep McCarthy. And then Sam Donald wins the Super Bowl and they immediately fire the jam. So I wonder who gets blamed for that. So now you have J.G. McCarthy. But to be honest, spoiler here with the Atlanta Falcons where I think the Atlanta Falcons, it seems, are going to cut Kirk Cousins. And I think Kirk Couss just signed.

Shefter reported that. Shefter reported he's going to get cut. And I think the Falcons start Michael Penix in week one, but I think Kirk Cousins signs with the Vikings, and it's Kirk and J.J. McCarthy in Minnesota. Which is pretty nasty. No, that's good. How could they do better than that?

Yeah, but still. Kirk would at least bring Justin Jefferson back to life and fantasy. I don't know if they're going to win a ton of games, but. It's still a low ceiling move. Sure. I don't think they can do better. I mean, they won the last four games for Atlanta. Well, it's also, there needs to be like,

Kirk Cousins is going to be 38 when the season starts. But I will, the problem is you can't bring in like a young project because that's already with J.J. McCarthy. I feel like you kind of can't bring in like Mac Jones because it's like, hey, you already have, just make it work with J.J. McCarthy. Kirk is in a different category. So you kind of can bring him in. I feel like it's a steady hand. But I don't think that Kirk or that O'Connell and the Vikings can bring in somebody who's kind of an equal to J.J. McCarthy because that just doesn't make any sense. Yes. It's like, well, you got just make it work with the guy you spent the Twitter.

both pick on or whatever it was. So I do think they end up signing Kirk Cousins because, again, he was there for seven seasons and then he was a little sojourn leaving. But I think that he's the best they're going to get because he's old enough that he's not a threat to McCarthy, but he's probably good enough that here's the truth. They're so fucked because like if you bring in Kirk Cousins who's competent and you know will be solid, he's going to start. Well, I don't know.

Or you probably start McCarthy and then it goes poorly and you're two and five and then you bench him. And then it's like over for J.J. This is why you just... Yeah, this feels to me like if you bring in Kirk Cousins, you're going to lose a team if you start J.G. McCarthy.

This, exactly. I completely agree to you think. Yes. There's no way McCarthy's better than Kirk Cousins. Justin Jefferson is going to start a mutiny. If they bring in Kirk Cousins... Well, you can get him to Justin Jefferson to buy in. He's the most important person.

He's the most important player in that organization. The problem is you get a mutiny if they start like 0 and 3 and it's McCarthy's fault. Then you're like, here's the thing. The problem is this is why the GM got fired and frankly the Vikes GM deserved to get fired because they were trying to do like two things. They have a win now roster and they went all on on a rookie quarterback who barely played at Michigan

and barely did do anything and then came in and missed his whole rookie year and like they're like oh it wasn't good. We have no backup plan. And the irony is that the reason you have McCarthy is to fund having a quarterback like Darnold. And they're about to miss the whole window because they'll have to pay Kirk to come in. But the Vikings could- win the Super Bowl a year after they let him walk in free agency. There's a reason he got fired. The owner is it's the same thing as why Why did the Jets have to fire all these coaches?

I'm like, well, something happened with the ownership. When you get the quarterback wrong. Man. So you really think that McCarthy will never start another game unless he's a backup and comes in? No, I think if Kirk Cousins gets signed by the Vikings, he will be the starter. You agree with that? Yes. Man.

Because I don't. You say that, but the Falcons finish 4 and O. Kirk isn't good. Kirk's a way better. I'm not saying. It's less about Kirk's not good and more about it. I can't believe it's over for JJ. It's not over. He just needs reps.

It's like Darnel. Darnold was a backup for a year with the Niners. And he was like a backup. Like I think. Yeah, I do think if the Vikings, has it been reported that they're going to or is this sort of? No, it's just, no, I think what you said is dead on, which is Kirk Cousins is not signing anywhere that he has to, that he's going to be told he's going to start. He'll take. Yeah, that's what he wants. He wants to be a starter.

It's always ever wanted. And I think he probably can get it. I don't know. But I will say, though, if they do sign Kirk Cousons. in that specific scenario, I do think that's implicit admission that they are giving up, at least for the short term,

on J.J. McCarthy. And like revisiting after he has another year of reps and practice? No, if Kirk Cousins gets hurt, the guy coming in isn't just a backup as he's the future of the team. But it's also, they have to try to make a run

to win the Super Bowl because the rest of the defense is old. If not already closed. Like, they have a lot of, like, really, a lot of the talent on the Vikings front, it's like, you know, I'll pull up the depth charts. So these guys are all 30, 30,

31. I mean, not only has J.J. McCarthy been bad, he's been hurt a lot. Yeah. It's both. You know what I mean? You can't rely on him for the whole season. That's a great point is that not only has J.G. McCarthy played terribly when healthy, but that he literally has four injuries in his second season. He's getting hurt every month. And he also missed his entire year. Yeah. He's not a big guy. He missed his entire rookie year, too. So they have to have a good backup. It's such an awkward, terrible spot to be in. It's where the gym got fucking fired a month after the season ended. Yeah. It is. McCarthy is going to be on a different team. Maybe. In the next year. No, there's no reason to give up on him. There's no reason to give up.

There's a lot of reasons, too. They are giving up on him. No, they're not giving up on him. They're saying that we don't think he can lead us to his Super Bowl right now. Yeah. You have three. But, all right, I feel like Sam Donald won the Super Bowl like 18 hours ago. I don't think you should give up on the young quarterback you drafted.

Four teams gave up on Sam Donald. Yeah, and they're all idiots. And they all, the Jets fired. their coaches three weeks after Donald made this. All these teams are giving. I'm saying you keep McCarthy but you also probably, he's clearly not ready to lead you there right now. So you bring in Kirk. It's

semantics, but yes. But you clear let him learn the practice habits of Kirk Coussons. He doesn't know how to be or prepare as a starting quarterback. And you hope that if Kirk Cousins has a good year, McCarthy could take over in 2027. Yeah. You are putting up on him. It's crazy. Well, you're punting down the road. Yes. Kicking the can down the road. Yeah, but he clearly needs

like, he's not ready for this team. And the problem is they took a developmental quarterback with a win-down timeline. And if you're going to do that, they had to keep Arnold. We're not really disagreeing. It's just the semantics of giving up versus kicking it down the road. I mean, like, if Kurt Cousins is healthy all year, we're going to be heading into year four with JJ McCarthy, and he'll have barely played any football.

Yeah, it's not a deal. But I think him playing this season at face-playing again is worse. You have to have another guy. I wonder. Or is it, or I don't know. I think it's really easy for when it's not your team to be like, yeah, if they start 0 and 4, like, oh, this season sucks. It's like, no one wants to give up on their season.

I think the other interesting, the variable with the Vikings that makes this so interesting is the respect and reputation that KOC Kevin O'Connell has with quarterbacks. Yeah. And making just like anybody really good in their offense with what he's done in the past. And then J.G. McCarthy came in and was, for the most part, really bad. He did have a couple moments. Well, that's why I'm like, are you, is it weird to kind of like experiment with him? And then it's not good enough.

And then you yank him and he sits for another year. Like, what if they go 11 and 6 with Kirk? That's good. But then what do you do this? But then what? Then if Kurt- Like cross that bridge when they get to it. Yeah, then you figure it out later.

And you're like, if Kirk plays great, bring them back. And you're like, basically what I'm saying is that's a good problem. I just feel like there's very few scenarios here where J.J. McCarthy works out for the Vikings. Because it's like if Kirk is good, J.J. McCarthy's not going to play next year either. And if J.J. McCarthy starts this year and it's terrible. It's too early and he's not prepared. So that sucks too.

So it's like, well, then what are you doing with him? But that's why you need Kirk Cousins. That's what you need another quarterback on this time. Yeah, it's tough. They're in a terrible, they're in a division with three good teams. Part of me is like, you should just play him this year and know if he's good or not. But that's the thing is, is he good or not? That's all they tried last year, though.

I know, but I think that's the difference I have is like, oh, is he good or not? I don't think it's not that simple. I think the darnal thing, that's kind of the lesson to me. It's like, it's not that simple of is he good or not. It's that people learn in different ways at different paces. and like the truth is McCarthy, I don't think is ready. Like, again, we got away from the point of what Kevin O'Connell had his issue with is they were talking about mechanical changes to his throwing motion during the season,

which I don't think any of us had ever heard publicly discussed by a coach before. Josh Allen changed mechanics a ton, but it took him three years of playing. Start the off season, too. Do that in your own. Like, we can't enter next year and looking at week one or training camp or preseason breaking down McCarthy's mechanics. Like Justin Jefferson and this defense. defense expected to win his Super Bowl, we can't be discussing whether J.G. McCarthy can literally hit a screen pass. That's not, that's a non-starter, literally.

Yeah. It's a bad spot to be in. It is the worst. That's why Ggequesti got fired. I mean, honestly like, yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's, maybe this is, we'll figure out more as as the offseason goes long. But like, right now, I'm kind of, after having this discussion, I'm kind of like, they might just move on from him. Yeah. Well, but, and like, try and trade him with, you know, thinking he has value from the potential value that team see in him. I don't know. But here's the, but I know we spend a lot of time in this, but I think this is the most interesting team in the league that isn't in the Super Bowl.

It's the best roster that doesn't have a quarterback. They should be the Seahawks. The Vikings defense is a world where they could have been roughly, they're not as talented, but they could have been like this. They won't 14 games last year. Yeah, they won't. They should be the Seahawks. That's how the Vikings think of it.

And so it's like, oh, we'll do this. It's like, they're like, no, we have to go win a Super Bowl now. And it's so painful. And so the idea of like, we'll give up on them. Okay, cool. So you've learned nothing from the Darnold thing. Because the reason you had Darnold was the Jets gave up on him instead of recognizing you should have kept them the whole time.

It's not always that simple. But I think with what we've learned since, the answer is you bring in Kirk now and you see if McCarthy can develop and you spend more time with them. Anyway, we can move on. But this whole season is frankly the wake of what the Vikings did last year, honestly.

I just feel like they're in no man's land and they're extending it. So that's the NFC North. Vikings' only team. NFC South, we mentioned, again, I think the Falcons cut Kirk Cousins, Michael Pennix is the week one starter. I mean, the Falcons are in a very similar situation, I feel like.

Very similar. You give it one more year and hope to get a healthy Pennix for 17 games. I got to tell you, I'm surprised. I know everyone, I'm probably the last. I was kind of saying I thought the Falcons would keep Kirk, and I'm the last person here. Everyone's like, oh, they're going to move on. I was like, I don't know.

Because exactly what DeK just said, the Falcons and Vikings both took a guy in the 2024 draft that is not immediately a starter. We don't know if he's good enough or healthy. You know, Michael Pennix is getting another ACL reconstruction, which I believe is his third. ACL injury. He's 25. He's barely played any pro football. And so they're going to go in week one. And I thought the new regime would say, you know, we're not tied to this guy. We didn't draft

him. We're not like, you know, Matt Ryan's running the team now. They have Kevin Stifansky is the head coach. And I'm kind of like, I get why you'd bring in Pennix week one because if he fails, it doesn't matter. But I will be honest, I'm a little surprised they wouldn't want Kirk around. But maybe it's just a weird dynamic and you want to flush it. Yeah. But the fact is probably also the money. The money, true. And that's true. They probably have a lot of free agents that want to bring in for Stifansky. That's actually, you're probably right. That's the answer. But the Falcons are very similar in that.

They have a ton of young talent. A lot of just straight first round picks starting with them on offense. Defense, I mean, James Pierce, the Falcons defensive end first who led them in Sacks, had the details of a police report of an incident he was involved in last week are pretty horrific to read in the police report. Obviously, we'll see what ends up happening with charges and anything. But the Falcons defense was playing a lot better last year. The Falcons are also a team in a winnable division that, like, I don't know,

Pennix could very quickly be holding them back four weeks into the season. Yeah. So that's a team that kind of might also need a quarterback. And they don't have a first round pick. And they don't have a first round pick. The Rams have it. Buckingneers don't need a quarterback.

I don't care. Baker got hurt. What's Baker's contract situation? How long has he got there? He makes $40 million a year. Okay. And he's worth every penny. People can be like what happened to the box in Abuca.

And everyone got hurt at the same time. But Baker and Abuka and Luke Gottachie in the office line. No, it's not even a discussion. No. You're in a fine spot with Baker. the interesting the Panthers It's weird that none of these teams

technically need a quarterback but it's the worst version of that of all time Exactly They're all in honestly I don't see south They're all in No Man's Land Falcons are like oh we'll go with Pennix But that could literally be like

Penix could reinjure his knee in week one And you're like oh he'll just never be a starter Like the Buccaneers at Baker Like it's like you know if he gets hurt again The Saints of Tyler Shuck Who again I think is absolutely good enough It deserves a starting show like a full season Next year

But I do think that Saints trade down our cars somewhere And then the Panthers are like, Bryce Young's exactly good enough. You cannot give up on him. And he's just enough star magic that he's recreated that they're going to exercise.

They already, I think, exercise his fifth year options. So they have two more years of Bryce Young, three if they tag him. And then more if they want to sign to an extension. But Bryce Young feels like the exact kind of player

that you don't want to give. Like, you didn't get Bryce Young 50 million a year? Like that's one of those. Like three years later, he's two. He's Kyler, I won out of this. He's not good enough for that.

He's better than his rookie contract. He's not as good as the second. So, like, he just seems like the classic version of that. But none of these guys are the fifth year option is 26.5 million. That's easy. That's fine. That's what Justin Fields made by the year.

You need to use every single second of those five years to determine if he's good before you extend him. Again, one of those, you say 25 million for a guy who isn't that good. You're like, what? But the answer is the salary cap is $300 million. So you have to remember. The franchise tag is almost $50 million. Yeah. Yeah, it's like that's a 12th of it.

If you can get a starting quarterback that's even average for a 12th of your budget, like that's worth it. You can't do better than that. We're division NFC West Niners do not Brock Purdy now makes 50 million a year And I saw Schaefter Said they plan on keeping Mac Jones too

That's smart I don't think I don't think yeah because especially with the injury situation being By the electrical substation you never know Yeah You need all the knees that you can get More than any team the Niners are very aware

That they need a backup quarterback Yeah I think the Niners trading Mac Jones For anything less than like a top 40 pick would be a crazy mistake. It's kind of a bummer though, because I want to see him start somewhere. Well, you will when Brock Purdy gets substations and then... Sure, sure. NFC West, oh yeah, so the Niners, the Rams do not. So the Matt Stafford, they're going to also won the MVP.

I think they're in the market for a development guy, though. Why? Because Stafford's 38? Sure. I don't, I mean, obviously, I think Stafford's going to be their starter next year. He announced that when he won the MVP award. So that's kind of locked in. But, you know, they're still, a team, I think that could add a quarterback, maybe even like a pretty decently, like, high profile quarterback? I don't know. Well, you know,

there's a... You know that's saying, like, things are never as bad as they feel or never as good as they seem? I think that's, like, pretty much a good nutshell of Matt Stafford's 12 months. Because 12 months ago, we were watching the playoffs, we were like, this guy can barely move. And then you're like a little... And then Sean McVey and the Rams, like, very

seriously considered moving on because how banged up he was... Trade discussion. At the combine last year, how have it started the Giants were getting him. Well, here's the thing. Look, what happened exactly? I mean, that was a leverage play. It was a leverage play, but it was leverage play because the Rams were trying to, I think what happened was the Rams were genuinely a little worried of seeing Matt Stafford move around the locker room. He's so banged up.

They're like, we don't know if this guy can keep going. And they're like, oh, we'll just come back at a cheaper level. Stafford knew he had this season in him. And so he held out, was like, I could get paid anywhere. But the flip side is what we also just saw is, I would say the best possible outcome of Matt Stafford's health in a season. And I know that because Troy Aikman said he told him for that Falcons Rams won a football game.

Triceman was like, Matt Stafford told me if you had told him in August that he would feel this good, this late in the season, he's like, I would have thought you were full of shit. And so I don't know if we get another, so the Rams do need to eventually get another quarterback,

but I don't know. The real news here is the Rams signed Cliff Kingsbury to be their offensive coordinator. That kind of flew under the radar during the Super Bowl week. That's why we do this episode. So Craig, we have to ask you an important question, D.K.

Yeah. Do you think that Sean McVeigh is going to get frame-mogged by Cliff Kingsbury. Height-mogged. Frame and height-mogged. I don't know about frame. I think McVeigh is pre-built. Sturdy.

Yeah, he's ripped. No, let me tell you. You know what? It's going to be the real battle is... Come on, boys. That's not frame-mogged. You don't think it's... That's height and frame-mogged.

Also, frame. Come on, dude, he's getting frame-mogged. Open your eyes. I don't think so. Frame is body. Those are their two faces. Well, Kingsbury is kind of... A foot taller.

Thin. the real question is is the house mog who will have the cooler house oh my god dude cliff kingsbury's real estate what house is cliff kingsberg gonna have in l.A.? yeah

they all live down south now right they all used to live in the valley and now everyone moved down towards inglewood he's a cliff kings there is no more Manhattan beach human being on oh my god yeah he will have the craziest

bachelor pack he's gonna live on the beach yeah for sure just gonna be at simsies to shellback every night. Guaranteed. He'll probably wear the shellback's hat on the field, on the sideline, which would be kind of sick. Do we like that higher?

It's interesting that he was getting head coach. Why did they get rid of him? He was getting head coach. Who get rid of him? How did Washington get rid of him? I think it's... Artistic differences. Yeah, Philip. Just not not a right fit. Because it's not like his play calling was bad. I think that everyone

involved... They had to blame somebody, Craig. Well, no. I think everyone involved... Dan Quinn. It was him. Dick Coin fired almost everybody, didn't he? I think everyone involved got tired of

each other. It was him. Got tired. He was there for two years. Yes. And so usually when things burn out that quickly,

again, I think success always papers over creative differences. And we see that again, like the Broncos and Bonecks, I'm kind of convinced Sean Payton and Bono kind of hate each other.

They won 13 straight games. They lost one game and it came out. They had such a great season last year. The fact that it could blow up so quickly I think suggests there's issues.

And I keep thinking about two things. Cliff Kingsbury hasn't really kept any job that long other than the Cardinals was only like what three four years carnels was four years but like even then it ended the other thing I'd say is Washington the reason ben Johnson left and didn't take the Washington job he said they were all basketball guys which kind of got washed out under the Washington's first year success but I do wonder about like Dan Quinn that coach I'm like

what is he he brought excellent vibes to like change the taste of the mouse of Washington fans post Dan Snyder but realistically like I don't know if Dan Snyder's the coach of the future for Washington um Quinn you mean yeah Sorry, Dan Snyder definitely not Almost certainly not the coach in the future But I do wonder about the ownership Josh Harris, all these guys, again, Adam Peters the GM, he came from the 49ers.

They have like Bob Myers who was the Warriors GM They're like telling him to run pick and rolls And Kingsbury's, what are we talking about? Just do a Euro step. He's like, kick the field goal, that's a three. It's not called the paint, it's called the end zone. I just think it's interesting that Kingsbury, he actually did interview

for two head coaching jobs at least with the Ravens and Titans. and now he's taking a job with the Rams and he's not calling plays. So he went from potential head coach to a guy that comes and hangs out with Sean McVeigh. Isn't that a great call though? Because everyone works to Sean McVeigh as high.

Yes, I think it's basically acknowledging that I wasn't going to get one of these jobs. But it is a, it's just kind of an interesting, not even lateral. He's taking a lesser job. I don't know. Michael Fleur just got the freaking head coach job for the Cardinals

and he also did not call plays. Yeah, I mean, No, I'm saying it's probably a good move for his career overall. Yeah. I think Cliff's a climber. It's like Mike McDaniel going to the Chargers. Like, you know what you're doing? It's a long term.

No, that's a good. That's a good comp. That's a good comp. McDaniel, though, I think it's more love of the game because he's all. I'll be a head coach this way, but also it'll be fun. God, that's the best one of all. Oh, where's his house going to be? Who?

He's also a madge. But they won't hang out. McDaniel. McDaniel and Cliff, like, won't hang out. I need to learn more about Mike McDaniel now that he's. he's my coach. Do you think he's sneakily going to be in the east side? It's like he's a silver lake. I don't know

if he's Manhattan Beach. Manhattan Beach might be too sterile for him. Yeah. He would want to be Silver Lake, but I don't know with traffic. Maybe he'd like driving. I don't know. I could just see him having like a little shack up in Malibu. And just live where's the Chargers practice? Is it at? It's El-Sigundo. It's by L.A.S. Yeah, it's down south. This is like everyone's favorite topic. If you don't live

I don't know L.A.N. It's South. Neither's anyone listening. Last team. Then you get on the 405. Yeah. You don't say Vicente. What are you doing here? The last one here is the Arizona Cardinals who have Kyler Murray and again.

I think Kyler is super... Adam Schaeft reported, Kyler is super available. So he's out regardless, basically, even though they did this new hire. It seems that way because, again, when Jacoby Preset took over, they were like, we love this guy.

We can't believe his preparation. It's unbelievable. Michael Wilson's talking about he sent me ways. He wants routes to be run. Which, again, is just more, I think, an indictment of Kyler than some amazing...

But Joe Kobi Percette went, one in 10 as a starter? They loved him. That's an indictment. So that's a bad sign. So if you just look at the pieces that are available, let's just say for argument's sake that Tua gets cut and Kyler gets cut and then

Kirk not traded. Kirk gets cut. This is a real you don't want to be out here. You don't want to be out here. So here's the thing. I kind of think this thing that makes the most sense. Kyler's a dolphin. Where else can he go?

I was going to say, shouldn't Arizona and Miami just wife swap? Kyler goes to Miami and Tua goes to Arizona. Yeah, maybe. I mean, those are two guys who need to play in a dome or in warm weather. Kyler cannot be on the Browns. Kyler cannot be on the Jets. It won't work.

So who else really is there? Miami... I do think that makes the most sense because if you look around, why would the... Tua's not great, but I would take two over Derek Carr. Like, I would say...

So Miami's gonna be like, hey, we'll pay $49 million of Tua for Arizona to have Tua. And Arizona's like, we'll pay $49 million of Kailor's salary for you'd have Kail. Isn't it like an NBA thing where it's like,

two guys don't work? And we're like, didn't Chris Paul get traded for Russell Westbrook once? It's like maybe a different set of problems. will help it. You know what I mean? That is really funny. Sometimes she wants something different. Because other than that, I mean, what Kirk Cousins could go to Arizona? But what does that do for them? I mean, maybe it's Lefleur. Like, there's a whole like Shanahan-style system there that he could do.

But I really do kind of wonder about just get Kurt, get Tua for Kyler. And then it's like Derek Carr can go to the Jets, which is sad, but actually it's probably best for the Jets. The question is, is Sam Darnold has presented honestly a lot of fun conversations over the next five months about what quarterback you would want to take a chance on. I guess if we had to make, like, if Donald is a 10 out of 10 on the reclamation scale, who's a zero? Like, is it like Josh Rosen? Is it?

Josh Rosen is, in fact, the zero, right? Which is great. Same draft. Yeah. So where on the scale do you think Kyler Murray is right now? I think he's closer to Darnold. I mean, he's definitely closer to Donald than Josh Rosen, but is he like a five or a six or is he like an eight or a nine?

I was thinking like a six or a seven. I think he's just, it always comes up. I think he's a, I think he's a, I mean, I think Kyler is probably like a six because the questions with Kyler are questions about maturity, leadership, whatever,

but also if you could have, and somehow be convinced that actually Kyler has become like a great leader or whatever, you actually believe that he was, then suddenly it's just he's still halfway to, the problem is Kyler's a crazy athlete with a smaller frame, and as he loses athleticism,

his inability to play from the pocket, it doesn't square. Like Donald playing from the pot, all these guys able to play under center dropback doesn't like were works because they're able to do it. Kyler still has enough athleticism. He's still fast. He could make shit work. Like he could go to the cults. Like he could do crazy stuff work and you need one good run. I think he's a six and a half. The question is like why are, why is Arizona so sick of him of like we don't want him around? Like that's the question. But also that's like this guys just need a change of scenery. Yeah, man. Arizona like that's a, it's a, it's also. The team, the franchise has lost faith in him.

and he's probably not feeling that franchise either. How much do you think Arizona is going to have to eat of his salary? A tremendous amount. Tremendous. But they don't have any choice. Because the reason Arizona has to, like, genuinely, like, raise it to the ground and rebuild. Like, there's no remodeling. You're literally with the Seahawks and Mike McDonald, who is the youngest coach in the NFL,

and the third youngest Super Bowl winner and the Super Bowl favorite. And then you're Sean McVeigh, who is somehow the third young, or the fifth youngest coach and the Rams who are the second Super Bowl favorite. And then the Niners and Kyle Shanahan are the third biggest Super Bowl favorite in division. And the gap between those three and the Cardinals are probably about as big as maybe in divisions ever had entering a season. And they don't have a quarterback. And everyone else does. So the Cardinals, it's a total, total reset.

Yeah, it is. It's going to be probably dark for a while before the sun comes up again. Is there a world? And I was just thinking about this. I mean, obviously, we're kind of assuming that Willis is going to end up in Miami. If that doesn't happen, Malik Willis. maybe the brother connection with Mike and Matt Lafleur. Oh, wow.

That's a good call. Maybe he gets the stamp of approval from Michael Fleur. Matt Lafleur in Arizona. Wait, am I getting that right? Matt Lafleur is in Green Bay. Michael Leflare is in Arizona now. Maybe he gets the brother's stamp of approval. There's some sort of deal there.

Not deal, but like understanding. It's a phenomenal point for a lot of reasons. Malik Willis was drafted to Tennessee. Matt Lefleur came from Tennessee. Not at the same time. But you know the same people. You get a better read if he used to work there. It's getting the lowdown on how he practices, how he prepares.

What he's like as a leader, things like that. Those are very important things. You stay in touch with the people from when you were there. So then he clearly liked in Malik Willis enough to sign him in Green Bay. And then every game he played, you're like, oh, this guy's way better than third round. And again, Malik Willis is faster than Lamar Jackson at this point. And he has a top eight or nine arm in the entire NFL. So that's actually a good point.

It's probably Arizona or Miami from Malik Willis. And where does Willis, I don't know if he's a recollectalice? formation project really, but where does he stand on that scale that you just said? Well, it's different because the daughter scale is like a guy who had high expectations who flopped. Right. And now it needs to come back. Malik Willis is never really back.

Malik Willis's upside is, I actually would compare him to like Tony Romo in that Tony Romo in that Tony Romo was an undrafted free agent who then just became like a beloved 12 year borderline Hall of Famer. And I think Malik Willis similarly is like a guy that was like a project and just not a starting quarterback that the upside is like he's like an eight or a nine you're like oh this is maybe you could win a super bowl like well the downside is the downside is like Justin Fields last year where you're like six weeks in you're like this guy shouldn't be playing but he's I think he's better than I do too it's tough how much shown more as a pastor than yes ever did yes it's tough how much

you have to talk yourself into these things and when you kind of take a step back and look at it from 30,000 feet you realize man this is still pretty dire like the idea of it's like you're kind of talking ourselves into Miami maybe going after Kyler and you're like well you're You know, they're paying $49 million to Tua who's gone, but then maybe they only have to pay a small amount for Kyler. So you're really just swapping out Tua for Kyler and paying the same amount of money, which really doesn't sound that bad.

In theory, all things considered. And yet I think, I think Kyler Murray's the last quarterback I'd want in the NFL right now. Even with Tua. More than Tua? Well, if you only have to pay, I don't know. Because I wouldn't even, Tua's not a starter to me. I was going to say a mean thing right there, but...

Kyler is the definition of, no man's land to me. He's going to be 29 years old when the season starts. He has the worst style frame for aging in the NFL at quarterback. You have to pay him so much money. Like, this is the exact wrong

time to buy in on him. Here's the other problem with Kyler. And it's weird because in one hand, he's so talented, and Arizona's such a wasteland that it's not hard to imagine Kyler being better somewhere else. But the problem is, and the reason Jacoby Reset came in and the Cardo's offense

instant, like, at Trade McBride had more touchdowns like the first six weeks with Jacoby Beset in three years of Kylea Murray. And the problem is you need to be running an offense that lets you evaluate players. And if you're not able to actually run a drop back offense, you can't, one, evaluate your offensive line because Kyler's not,

he's running all over and guys can't hold blocks. You can't evaluate your receivers because they're not in rhythm. Kyler's not running a rhythm offense. So you don't realize Michael Wilson's better than Marvin Harrison, and you didn't know that because Kyler wasn't playing in rhythm. Prisette gets in there, you're like, oh, Michael Wilson's definitely better. So if you're the Jets and you're bringing Kyler Murray, believe it

not, it might be better for the Jets to bring in Derrick Carr. Not because their Jets could win a Super Bowl with Derek Carr next year, but because the Jets might get a better season evaluating both your offensive tackles, Garrett Wilson, John Meshie, like, you're going to get your better sense of your rocks. I agree. You have to give everything to Kyle Murray to make the

offense work. It has to be Kyler Murray's offense and it has to be completely designed around it. You have to just slot a minute. It's going to have to be a coach that really believes. Do you think the Seahawks could have won the Super Bowl? Just the game. Let's say they already made it there and you swap out San San Donald for Gino Smith. Yeah, because their defense is ridiculous.

Who's the worst quarterback that could have won that game currently in the NFL? The worst. Could Malik Willis have won the game? Yes, because you know what Malik Willis is good about? He has all the physical tools, but in Green Bay, I think he was actually pretty good of protecting the football. Yeah, he'll just like throw deep and run it. Yeah.

It's like the worst quarterback who wouldn't turn the ball. Like, J.G. McCarthy could not have won that game. No, no, no. That's a good question. He's the worst quarterback who could have won. Yeah, man. I actually think Tyler could have won. Darnold.

I mean, again, it's going to go down as one of the, best free agent signings of all time. One of the best decisions, like chain decisions or whatever for the CX in terms of trading away Gino and signing Donald. And they decided that... Wait, well, could they have won with Gino? We're saying yes. I think they could have won that game.

I don't think they would have gotten to the Super Bowl. I think yes, because Donald, again, Tua. Mm. God. I kind of think... No, I don't... If they get with Tua, they can win with anybody.

I think Tua throws a pick. I think Tua turns the ball. I think the way that... Turn the ball of it. The way that the Patriots were... The way the Patriots were pressuring and the way that Donald was avoiding sacks in that game, I don't think Tuahua cannot avoid the sacks anymore. You can't move the same.

And also, Darnal's arm strength is the reason it was intercepted. What am I saying? I'd rather have Kyler than Tua. Yes. What am I saying? Well, I haven't mean... No, I'm not going to say. I have a mean to comment on the two of them.

Go ahead. The biggest question with Kyler and Tua for both of them is above the neck. That's not that mean. Oh, okay. I mean, you know. But Kyler's way more dynamic. Tua does not have physical.

The part with Tua that's under discussed despite the concussions is the ankle and hip injuries have also sapped his mobility and his throwing power. So he, like, the reason we joke about his arm punts is that Tua genuinely doesn't have the arm strength he did in college. Like Tua and Bama was, he had a fucking can't.

He wasn't a canon, but man, his spot, so much more juice. He can't throw the ball as well or avoid sacks. Yeah. Okay. I think that's enough on those guys. Guys want to talk about Patrick Mahomes tomorrow or what? I was just happy to have an argument about football.

That was cool. That was nice. That was organic. That was an organic. Mahomes. We even had an organic. Mahomes that literally tears ACL for having a organic Mahomes argument. When I started saying, I feel like I'm crazy, that's when you know it's getting good.

Well, but I said at the beginning. Like leaning in on the seat. He asked, he asked, are you down at homes? I was kidding. I don't want to talk about it anymore. I was kidding. Winter Olympics, anything? The finger skating duo.

The couple was incredible. They performed to paint it black. It was sick. This was crazy. I didn't watch it. You should watch it. It was amazing. Please email us at ringerfancy football at gmail.com.

If you had to win a medal in the Winter Olympics or you would die, I want to know what's, what ones you would pick. It's curling. Everyone says curling. Also, the curling apparently has been incredible. Really? Yeah, that's what I've heard. The figure skaters are Madison Chalk and Evan Bates. They crushed.

The curlers are pretty good Yeah All right, non-curling sport I want to see if there's a case you have for something Other than curling if you could win a medal Byathlon The Is that where you ski and shoot?

I think so, yes No, that's, you gotta learn two things I think there are niche ones that you could try Because you It's curling A couple emails we'll get out of here What if I'm just like one of the guys in the Bob Slend?

That's, there's a case There's a technical skill there Yeah, if I'm one of the four And the other three are great Because did you watch the American Curlings? You're like, you couldn't have beaten these people. They're fucking unbelievable. They're psychopaths.

Probably snowboarding. Have you seen some of the shit they do? It's crazy. Dude, Austin, Gail had not seen like Sean White's gold medal half pipe routine. And I'm like, dude, you only get to watch this for the first time once. Yeah. He was, did any Olympian loom in your mind as large as like Sean White? Like, I feel like Michael Phelps is like, as he's obvious.

Sean White was the big one. I would tell you same bolt. But, fair. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but Sean White was like way cooler than Michael Phelps. Michael Phelps was like, pool guy. Sean White was like, man, that's probably the coolest guy. Yeah, I agree with that.

Oh, really? I thought, I think for our generation. I think, okay, maybe. I think Michael Phelps was cooler and more famous. Cooler? Yeah. Cooler? Certainly more famous.

I think the nature of snowboarding is just like more. Yeah. It's like skateboarding. It's like X games. It's more like alternative cool than swimming. Yeah. Snowboarding is probably the coolest thing you could do. Yeah. Yeah, but Phelps is the most decorated Olympian of all time.

No, of course. That's pretty cool. But the process of that is you swim for 16 hours a day. Like, is Clayton Kershaw cool? No, but is he a fucking incredible pitcher? Yes. Madison Bumgarner, he's cool. I guess if you're breaking down the definition of cool, I think, yeah, Sean White's probably cooler.

But... Like, is Patrick Mahomes cool? Oh, that's a great one. Yeah, I think he has to be. I would, yeah, but like... He's not as cool as Joe Burrow. No, but we're talking about when we were four... No, but here's the thing.

No. When we're 14? Mahomes is not cool with Joe Burroughs. You say that. How many people are modeling their game after Mahomes? Joe Burrow hasn't made the playoffs in three years. Yeah, but that's not... That's exactly what I'm saying.

That's not what it's about. But Sean White did have to win like six gold medals to be in the conversation. Can you name another snowboarder from 20 years ago? No. But being cool, you have to be good. There's a baseline of good. You have to be. But once you're above it,

Anyone can be the coolest. Tell Dylan Riola that Mahomes isn't cool. He's a good example of why Mahomes is not cool. Okay, a couple of... You really think Mahomes is cooler than Burrough? I think that everyone's holding on to this Burrough from... Like, you guys look at me for Lamar. I'm like, I think Burrow a few years ago is a conversation.

They haven't made the playoffs in three years. I'm talking about cool, not good. I think he got... Like Josh Allen, cooler than Mahomes. Yeah. I think Burroughs gotten pretty angsty. He turned 30 and he freaked out. He started talking existentially.

Dude, they read a real Joe Burrow quote. Did he turn 30? Yeah. He's 29. Well, sorry, he'd get a press conference about turning 30. Okay, he turns 30 in a year. Okay, so he talked about it. Oh, no, sorry.

No, you're right, you're right. It's over the phone. I confuse myself because he... Over a year from now, we'll know what when he's going to be 30. It's like the son. He turned 29, and he literally started it with, I'm almost 30 and I got confused. But on his 20th birthday, he gave a press conference.

But they read the quotes to Jim March Chase, who has known him for, what, like, eight years? Okay. And they were like, And he was like, he didn't say that. And they're like, he did. He was like, did he really? Man, I should talk to him more.

Like, Joe Burr, I think he's like, it's a little more angsty. So what is, what is Patrick Mahomes done that you think is cool? Like, from a personality standpoint. Winning, it was probably, winning, obviously winning the games. Making three straight Super Bowls while his best friend dates Taylor Swift. And I don't know. I feel like this is like an exact inverse. He's cool because Travis Kelsey dates Taylor Swift.

Why is that mean, he's cool? He's cool because he's. What does that? He's in Travis Kelsey's crew. Carlos, can you do me favor? Can you just pick up everything Craig said about why they think he'd win the Super Bowl next year and just drop it here? You're like, why is he cool?

We're not talking about winning. But it is winning. No. He was the key to all the winning. You guys shot me down because I said he fucking Phelps was the most decorated Olympian. It's not about winning. But it's not just winning. It's that he was because he literally came his first season.

Shea Gilges Alexander is not cooler than Anthony Edwards just because he's better. Anthony Edwards is cooler than Shea. Do you forget the first four years? The same thing. His first season is. started. He's the third player to ever 50 touchdown passes. I don't understand what's happening. The way he plays is cool. He's not hearing you at all.

The way he plays is cool. I agree with that. The way he plays is cool. His style is cool, but the accomplishments at a certain point, I'm taking that away. That's the whole point. There's a threshold of good you have to be. Burrow and Josh Allen and Lamar and Holmes are all already in that tier. And then now it becomes an even battle of who's coolest from an intangible's perspective. Patrick Bumns drinks, Coors Light and plays golf and Joe Burrow

does his crystals for it to heal his foot. I'm like, what is... I guess I can't. He's like, The crystals isn't held. That's fair. I feel crazy. The beginning of this was you making fun of Mahomes. I can't think of a single cool thing Patrick Mahomes is. And I'm not disparaging Mahomes.

On the field or off the field? Off the field. Okay, but what is cool about Mahomes? As like a personality, an athlete. But the way he's on the field is incredible. The way he plays is cool. Yeah. Cooler than Joe Burrow.

His play style is cooler than Joe Burrow. I would agree with that. But as a personality, who's cooler? I'm saying in the last two years I think Joe Burrow's gone down Who's cooler? Answer my question Patrick Mahomes

Because the more we've learned about We gotta go The more we've learned about Burrough The last two years The less cool he's gotten Tell me something about Patrick Mahomes's personality What's a quote that sticks in your mind What's a funny moment?

What's a... I like that he genuinely has a sponsorship with Coors Light Because even though he's like A fucking gonna be a billionaire He's like I just drink fucking Coors Light A brand deal with a major beer I don't even know what happened

We should We should pivot. Yeah. Okay. Let's do a chaser here. It's from Zeke. Z-Bone. We're talking about the Frey-Moggie and everything.

I heard you guys needed a teenager. He writes IGY, which I assume means I got you. Okay. Breakfast was a blue red bowl, a bag of Doritos, and a Twix. Yeah, he's Twix. Zeke writes, I've definitely heard of people breaking their jaw to regrow it. What? I've never in my life heard of,

of moids or foids or jester gooning or munting or smb. He writes, I'm employed, however. He says, I have no doubts that there are some gooners out there who are tapped in with the clavicular lore. By the way, if you all haven't investigated Italian brain rot, you should probably investigate Italian brain rot, especially Burr-Ber, Patateeem and Bombardino Crucadillo. Whoa.

We're wandering down a dark road here. We did do investigate Italian brain rot. The fact that he was like, I don't know what all this frame-mogging means, but I do know friends who know friends who broke their jaws. For a job. Austin just texted Italian brain rot is S tier. Italian brain rot.

What the fuck is that? I looked it up and now you get to look up Italian brain rot. I mean, do you want to dive in right now? Well, it's songs. I don't think we can play. Unfortunately, give me some context of what the fuck it is.

It's just like EDM songs to like, it's almost like if it's like burr-b-bur-bur was like an EDM music song that we can't do. Dude, I can't explain it. Just look at Crocodillo Barbers. Genzi uses the term brain rot a lot. it's like a red flag it's like a thing that they say it's not an app you can use

to like prevent how much you use your phone brain rot yeah yeah isn't it right that's an app that like locks your phone after a certain amount of hours it's probably good yeah okay shout out to zeke and his blue red bullet Austin says that it's AI generated characters speaking fake Italian in mini short form movies

that is a really good subscribe that's a good description AI generated animals speaking characters no they're not even animals fake Italian characters The mini short form movies. Okay. Craig is dying over here. Yeah.

It's like AI trying to make up Italian. Okay. I don't think I want to dig into this. No, no. I think I do. We'll grind the tape and we'll get back. All right. Okay.

Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, everyone who's been with us on this journey. Thank you, Patrick Mahomes. Right. Thank you, Carlos, thank you. Are you dying? God, bless America. I'm trying to get out of this goddamn habit.

Hypatts won't let me leave. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, K.m. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, Abu, thank you, everybody. Thank you, Lord. Lauren. Thank you, somber.

Hell yeah. Is that how you pronounce it? It is. Cool. Now I feel like I'm losing it. Didn't we do them a week ago? Or do you just, no, you just told me about him a week ago. I texted him to, I told him to thank somber, but would you not have, you would have

remember. Oh, you told me about somber. Yeah. I love that song 12 to 12. Banger. It sounds like an old-school 80s pop song. It's great. Like, Cindy.

Why are we talking about them? Oh, he was at the Grammys. Yeah. Okay. They were at the Grammys? He's just one guy, but yeah. Oh, okay. He looks like he's in Stranger Things.

Dude, he's the one who wore the disco ball. Oh, I don't know if I saw that. Dude, this guy looks like he's on, he's like Emmanuel Forbes. Yeah, very tall and thin. Kind of like Finn Wolfhardt frame. That's why I'm... Dude, yeah. Yep, I can see it.

Yeah, 12 to 12, though, great song. 12 to 12, okay. Yeah. This guy... You've probably heard it. It's on the radio. This guy looks like he's been, what is it, bone smashing? His jaw?

Yeah, he's definitely been, he's frame-mogging because he was all the bones. smashing. Look up his Grammy's outfit. I don't know if he's frame mugging. He needs to add a little beef. Yeah, he does. He's tall. He's hypemogging. No, it's true. He's only, he's young. He's like 20. Sombor. Just like clavicular. He does look a little somber in all these pictures. Yeah. His jawline is actually crazy. It is. When you have the sunken in cheek and the the mandible, whatever that is, pops out?

He's mewing. Yeah. It's all the mewing. It's a natural mew, it looks like. Yeah, the natural meo. This guy just looks like he was. was born to be a rock star. All right, I'll check it out. Yeah, 12 to 12. Okay. It's good. If you like 80s, you like the 80s music.

Yeah, I love 80s music. Some people don't like it. Some people think it's trash, not me. I'm glad it's back, honestly. Yeah, me too. I feel like you like 70s music. I like 60s, 70s and 80s. Yeah, that's like late 70s into early 80s.

Yeah, but when you think about the 80s, it's like synth-heavy. It's like journey and shit like that too. I think of the 80s, think of a hair. Stadium rock. Yeah, yeah. All right. everyone.