The Ringer NFL Show - Biggest Fallers in Our Top 150

Episode Date: August 18, 2021

We have updated our top-150 rankings, which you can find here, so we are going to run through the players we’ve dropped and are down on as we enter peak draft season. RB Derrick Henry, Titans (2:19) RB Jonathan Taylor, Colts (7:56) WR Kenny Golladay, Giants (11:03) WR Mike Evans, Bucs (20:21) WRs A.J. Brown, Titans, and D.K. Metcalf, Seahawks (25:48) WR Curtis Samuel, Washington (30:12) WR Rashod Bateman, Ravens (33:37) TE Dallas Goedert, Eagles (35:18) WR Jalen Reagor, Eagles (38:03) Denzel Mims ate bad salmon (40:22) Listener emails (45:12) Check out The Ringer's 2021 Fantasy Football Draft Guide here. Email us at [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, I'm Shea Serrano. And I'm Brandon Jinks Jenkins. We have a new show called No Skips with Jinks and Shea. In it, we discuss the most unskippable albums in hip-hop history. New episodes drop on Thursdays, only on Spotify. The Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Heifitz. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Korlbeck.

Today we are doing the biggest fallers for us in the preseason because hard to rise, but very easy to fall. Sad. Ooh. Follers. Rough training camps for us. some of these guys. We're a very positive bunch typically, and, you know, today it's time to get a little negative.

Yeah. Which of us do you think is the most positive of the three of us? Danny Kelly. Yeah, it's pretty easy, actually. Craig didn't hesitate there. Yeah, that was easy. All right. So we've updated our rankings at fantasyf football.

Dot the mirror.com. We will continue to do so throughout the preseason. Please go there. We're going to go through some guys that we have dropped in our rankings because of various reasons, which we will discuss. But again, fantasyf football. Dot the ringer.com. All our draft profile preview guide, heart and sol,

etc. Tracker. Draft tracker. It's good. Draft tracker. You can use the draft track. Yeah, we even talked to with this.

You can have a draft tracker. So if you want to use our rankings with in conjunction with your draft, you can just check off guys who are drafted. It's like easier than having a piece of paper who has paper anymore. And you're crossing it off. You can just check and make them go away and you can save players. The draft trackers really fun.

Check it out. A lot of features and we got our top targets coming next week on the draft guide. Really excited for that. Okay. So again, doing fallers. Now this doesn't mean that like just because a guy's a faller for us that we don't like them at all. Don't draft them at all. It means like we don't like them where they're currently being

drafted. We don't like them at their current value. Doesn't mean we hate the player. Or actually, I don't know. They could mean we hate the player. We'll stipulate. Yeah. Let's be clear. We might hate the player and where they're being drafted. Correct. So maybe we can specify. So what do we each do? Do we each bring three fallers here? That's nice and simple. Yeah. Well, nine's a weird number. Well, there's three. Might as well go to 10. I guess we're lazy. It's okay. Yeah, this one goes to 10. All right. It's you start.

Yeah, all right. I'll just go first. All right. So I'm faller. This is kind of cheating, but it's not. Derek Henry for the Titans. Barely to fall from like three to four. However, one could have fell more.

Two, it's a big deal in the top five when you move down a spot. So our latest rankings, we have moved Zeke ahead of Derek Henry. I'm very happy about this. I've had Zick ahead of Henry for a little bit. I think it's simple. If you have, if you're in the first half of your draft this year in the first half of the first round, Christian McCaffrey is the easy picket one Dalvin Cook is the fairly consensus

easy pick at number two and then you're at three and it's like what do you do? I think you want to pick Zeke this year and I think Derek Henry at three is a little too high and it sounds crazy because Derek Henry had 2,000 yards last year he had 17 touchdowns he led the league in rushing yards and rushing touchdowns he also did that the year before so it's like why would he not be the third guy but the answer is simple despite leading the league in rushing yards

and rushing touchdowns last year he was still the third running back in points per game like behind Camara and Dalvin Cook. I mean, Anne McCaffrey, if you want to toss him three of those, he's technically fourth. It's true. Think about, I mean, 2,000 rushing yards and 17 touchdowns, and he still wasn't the leader in points per game.

I can't believe I've become the, look, he doesn't catch passes guy, but here I am. I found this. He doesn't. He really doesn't. So this crystallized it for me. Ezekiel Elliott caught more passes in 2018 than Derek Henry has in his career.

I mean, it's simple. You're essentially saying, Derek Kennedy needs to run for 2,000 yards and 17 touchdowns every year to be a top five running back. Exactly. And I feel like, look, it's two years in a row. We've said regression, regression, but Derek Henry, but this year, for the third year in a row, it's different because they have a different coordinator. So I think that's troubling. They got Julio Jones. And also the defense is going to be worse. I think they're going to pass more. Not to mention all the things that can go wrong with a running back, which I'm not even talking about here right now. I'm just so much more into Zique. And I think there's a huge discount on Zique because he had a bad year last year.

there's this recency bias, but realistically, if we're looking to 2021, Zika is falling to like outside the top five in some drafts. That is a steal. I would take him at three ahead of Derek Henry. And if he's fallen in the middle of the first round, I want Zika Alde. I got to say, so this is going to, what now follows is not actually actionable advice, so don't take it as that. I watch the Titans play the Falcons in preseason week one.

Maybe the saddest game of football I've ever watched in my life. It was the worst game. I think it was more the Falcons just looked completely inept. But, like, honestly, the Titans, they didn't play, like, hardly any of their starters, if any. They might have, like, sat all their starters. And it was just, like, the ugliest, most boring game I could have ever imagined. So the vibes for me around the Titans right now are not strong. Also, to kind of piggyback on that, over the past three seasons,

Derek Henry's averaged 11 and a half more fantasy points for game in wins than losses. When they lose, he averages like 10 fantasy points a game, which is like borderline of flex. So like the Josh Jacobs. Weird flex, but okay. It's a weird flex, but okay. We should do a flex rankings and we call them weird flex rankings. We need to do a weird flex ranking.

But like if the Titans aren't that good this year and Derek Henry's, I mean, they're not running him 25 times a game. It can get a little scary quick. Yeah. So wait, we have to go back for a second. D.K., you've watched thousands of football games. Why was the Titans Falcons the worst vibes you've ever seen in a football game? Dude.

I don't know. I think it was more honestly it was more of the Falcons just like I said could not do anything. AJ McCarron looked horrific at quarterback. I got to move them down in my ranks. It was the ugliest game I've ever seen and it was just like so boring and I don't know. This is actually tongue and cheek. I don't actually think it matters. But I'm just saying this game was hard to watch.

All right. So while we're talking the fourth pick, we get an email from Ryan. He says with the fifth pick and a redraft 12 team PPR league, a super. assuming that Christian McCaffrey goes first, Dalvin goes second, Zika, am I crazy to consider taking Aaron Jones over the other running backs like Alvin Camara, Derek Henry, Sequin Barkley? I want safe and consistent pick with that first rounder. When you read, when my top targets comes out next week, you will learn that I don't think that's a crazy idea because I once again love Aaron Jones's here.

Going back to the well. Okay. No, I don't think it's crazy. It's not crazy. I personally would take Camara over Aaron Jones, but I, you know, I think Aaron Jones is, you know, But Craig is going to lay out very beautifully in this upcoming podcast. Like, he's just so efficient. He's so, like, points over expectation. Aaron Jones, yes. He's proven, like Camara, like, the ability to score touchdowns is a skill for him. And so, I don't know.

Yeah, I think he's in that offense with Aaron, with Aaron Rogers back and everything, sort of like all systems go. I think he's going to be huge. Also, there's a chance he just catches more passes this year because Jamal Williams is gone. Yeah, right. Everyone likes AJ Dillon. but I mean, AJ Dylan is not the receiver that Jamal Williams was. So even if Aaron Jones loses carries,

I think he might tick up in catches. And we all know catches are more important than carries. And also, like, the Packers were like the most efficient passing team in the red zone last year. If that regresses back to the mean, Aaron Jones could end up, you know, having kind of a more similar year to 2019 than he did 2020, even though he was good in both. He's the greatest running back of all time. Yeah, okay.

Just throw that out. No, well, you might get fired. I mean, Bill thinks it's Seguin' one still, even though I've watched him with my. eyes. I still think on any given play, like, Sequin still has like the most impressive single play than any other running back. Sequin is the YouTube running back.

I love him with, I love him so much, but the reality is he's a perfect YouTube running back. Yeah, he's like the guy Duncan and warm-ups. Exactly. Okay. All right, while you're on a roll here, Craig, take us through another faller for you.

All right, it's Jonathan Taylor, who we previously had at 13. Now we have at 15. Again, we're kind of splitting hairs a little bit here, but it does matter. And I would say he's lower in the expert rankings. But this, I mean, in Yahoo, he's at 12.

and at ESPN, he's still at 8. So us having him at 15 is a significant drop. I kind of see him. I mean, he's officially in the Nick Chub, Sequin, Joe Mixen, Najee Harris range. I think that's right. They're kind of the guys who, from a talent perspective,

have it all, but there's just a lot of question marks surrounding the team and their usage. So we all know, Frank, we've talked about this until we've been blue in the face. Frank Reich likes using more than one running back, and we have Marlon Matt coming back, who's going to probably spell him

in the same way Jamal Williams did with Aaron Jones. And then we have Naim Hines, who's like, maybe the best third down receiving running back in the league. Jonathan Taylor had a great second half of the year last year. It was kind of lucky. They had a really easy schedule. His expected fantasy points were way lower than actually what he put up,

which is much higher. He's just not on the field that much. He averaged a 50% snap share last year. That was lower than Austin Echler, late season, Antonio Gibson, lower than Miles Sanders. He played 60% of the team snaps three times all year. It just needs to tick up. He needs to play more to be considered in that range of first-round running back.

and he doesn't. And I'm not as confident that he'll be as efficient as a receiver that he was last year, which isn't crazy to say he caught 92% of his targets. Like, I don't think that's going to happen, mainly because Philip Rivers isn't the quarterback, who's a dump-off king. In the last three years, Philip Rivers dumped off the second most of all quarterbacks, and Carson Wentz, who's now the quarterback did it, the 28th most. So, like, I just think the offense is going to look a lot different.

I don't think they're going to be as good. Quentin Nelson is hurt. Wentz might not even be the starting quarterback week one. It's nothing to do with Jonathan Taylor's talent. But the amount he plays, the amount he's going to catch the ball, and the offense in general, I think, are all kind of red flags that kind of lay him in the early to mid-second round for me. He's another guy that might be a little bit game script-dependent, too. Like, if they're losing and they need to go to like a past heavy style, you know what I mean?

I think because I think a lot of people over the summer, especially, we're just like, the Colts are going to be really good. They're going to have really good defense. They're going to run the ball. They're going to have a lot of leads. That's going to lead to a ton of Jonathan Taylor. I'm definitely rethinking that idea or that theory that they're just going to be this really strong,

good team that's going to be leading a lot. Especially, like you said, if Wenz isn't the starter week one. So I don't know, if Jacob Beeson is the starter, you know, it just feels like they're going to be playing from behind a lot. And that's going to really hurt,

I think, Jonathan Taylor's bottom line, because he's not going to be the primary pass catching back in likelihood. I think it's probably going to be naive hind. So I'm 100, 100% with you on the talent thing. And I think a lot of people want him to turn into, you know, the next whoever, like Adrian Peterson

type guy who's just going to win you a lot of leagues. But I'm worried that he's falling into like the Nick Chubb category of running backs where, you know, he has a very clearly defined role. He's an elite runner, but not an elite fantasy piece. Yeah, you know, he's a real life football asset more than he has a fantasy one. Okay, D.K., you want to give us another follower? Yeah, sorry, Haifitz, but I'm going to have to say Kenny Gulladay. from the Giants.

He has fallen down seven spots in our rankings. It's probably, he probably should be falling a little bit further than this, to be totally honest. We might have to rethink this even more. So he pulled his hamstring a couple weeks back. It looks like a two to three week injury. But as you know, hamstrings are always a bit tough to predict,

you know, just so you could re-injure it. You have guys that take longer to come back from this injury. It's a huge muscle. If you don't properly lubricate it, as we saw with Will Fuller last year. Right. You have to lubricate your muscle. muscles. I feel like people are going to actually start believing that that's a thing. It is a thing. I don't know what you're saying. Lulicating your hamstrings. Did you not read Will Fuller's

Instagram? Health class in high school? Lubricate your muscles. What are we lubricating it with, buddy? I believe in science. DK. Like WD.40. So there's that. There's the injury, which is a concern, and I think it will remain a concern for a little while. Remember, this is a guy who only played five games last year. So there's just a lot of, I guess, uncertainty around the health. In addition to that, this is the narrative. He's a guy on a new team and a new offense. We don't really know how that's going to work. Last year, he was paired up with like the last couple of years.

He was paired up with literally like the perfect type of quarterback for him, a deep ball passer in Matt Stafford, aggressive. We'll throw it into coverage. We'll throw it into tight coverage. He can go up and get it, blah, blah, blah. Now he's with Daniel Jones, who is decidedly not Matt Stafford. What are you saying, D.K.? What are you saying about Danny Jones?

This is not, it has not been, to this point, a very vertical, aggressive downfield offense. Like, Daniel Jones has not known for that yet in his career. He is the nicest, you're right, correct. That was the nicest way he could have put that. Being political here. And then, you know, basically the reports prior to this injury had been that Goladay and Jones had just really struggled to get on the same page. They just hadn't been linking up in practice. They haven't looking good.

I saw from Tom Rock from Newsday. quote, the Jones to Gulladay connection trumpeted in the offseason as a harbager of great improvements for the offense has yet to flash any of the explosiveness within the confines of team snaps. He mentioned that they had been leaking up afterwards and practicing, but from Rock, it says, it got to the point that the defense is practically taunting Goladay about it with cornerback James Bradbury, quipping that at some point in camp, he might have to let the receiver catch a pass or two. This is getting, this is yikes. This is getting into like the yikes area of training camp. It's just not looking good. And that's not like, that's not the only report. Like it's a, like I said, a steady drum beat had been that he just wasn't really showing out.

Hadn't really figured out a way to get chemistry with Daniel Jones. I think, you know, there's just a million variables that play here. And none of them really feel like a big positive. Like you're in an offense that's being called by Jason Garrett, Daniel Jones. to this point has been pretty bad in his career. You know, the team change, the injury. Why is he so high, actually? Why do we have him in the 50s?

He should probably be much lower. My friend texted me, who's a Giants then yesterday, and just said, the Giants are going to suck again, huh? You know, if you think about the positives for Kenny Goliday, it reminds me of when you're looking at, like, real estate listings. You know that, like, when you're looking for, like, a house or something, you want to look at the descriptions that are specific. like you want specific things that are mentioned because when it's like spacious and like beautiful and like all the vague descriptions you're like oh man they have nothing actually to describe this house in positive way like there's no specific things about the house that are good that reminds me of Kenny Galladay

with the giant tiny quaint means yeah there's all these coded words with Galladay it's just coded compliments which none of the compliments since Kenny Galladay have signed with the Giants until now none of the popular The optimism has been specific. It's all that. You know, he's good at the jump balls, and they paid him a lot of money, and he's going to be their number one. None of those things are like specific positives. Cozy master bedroom. It's a bad house. A lot of potential.

A lot of potential. Make it your dream. Close drive to coffee shops and delis. Yeah. Centurally located. For the person with the right vision. It's fixer uppers dream. unbelievable man

okay for the love of God let's move on please I wanted to talk about Cadarious Tony too but we're not gonna do that Oh you want to talk about the Giants used it We talked with you know Okay I'm about Cadar's Tony

He You cannot determine if someone's a bust Or any of this stuff however Sure It is hard to think of like a crane camp Where a player shows up But like Like you know

It's I haven't I've been positive I love that This is amazing. Okay, I guess I'll just say it this way. Sorry. For a first round pick, who is presumably, like, healthy.

Like, there's been injury stuff, but he's not, like, out for the season. I can't remember the last time there was a rookie that I have not read a single positive thing by what is today, August 17th. I have not heard one positive thing about Cadarist, Tony, basically since he got a pass. He caught a pass. I saw he caught a pass. Kenny Gallauda hasn't done that yet, so that's good. Yeah, James Bradbury's got to let him do it. I just, have you heard one positive thing about Cadarist Tony, this person that's the

the Giants took with the not even not even a little to be honest the second he was drafted by the Giants I was just like that's not gonna work well the first one was like well was he a first rounder and then word leaked that the like Urban Meyer

was heartbroken that Cadarist Tony was gone and I'm like hmm well I wonder if that's a good sign or that Urban Meyer was the one was like damn so today so this is on Tuesday Jason Garrett this is per Jordan Renan Jason Garrett was asked if Cadarist Tony

is falling behind because of all the his time. Garrett's response, it is what it is. If you guys have seen the Irishman, you know what that means. Every now and then also, I imagine this just happened to a lot of people.

Do you guys just have those moments where you just black back in? You're like, whoa, Jason Garrett is running the Giants offense. Because it happens to me every day. Like the best part of my day, every day is like the two seconds when I wake up and you know you forget

who you are and it all comes flooding back to him. You're like, oh yeah, I'm Danny. I exist. I thought you were about to be quoting Goodwill hunting there. But yeah. No, the three seconds every morning when I wake up before I remember that Jason Garrett is running the Giants offense are the best three seconds of my head. Okay, Chuckie. I can't forget that Jason Garrett is the OC of this because literally every single day I start laughing whenever I see people tweeting out the picture of him with his head out the window of a train and just like every stupid thing the Giants do. It's just, you

Here's a picture of Jason Garrett and is that with his head on a train. Like he's like a really happy puppy that's like on a car ride or something. No, we screwed up, guys. He insists that he wants us to call him coach. Oh, my God. That was just the cherry on top of just like an atrocious. I'm telling you, he's squeezing the rag as dry as he can because he knows he's never going to be a coach again.

I just, I, by the way, can we get one like real question and like actual fantasy, like something that might be actually fantasy relevant this year because I think Tony is out, Ghaladay's falling. Do you think Hyphitz, I'll ask you since you're a fan of the Giants, you think this is good

for Sterling Shepard, Darius Slayton? Do you think these guys can maybe step up in their absence? Evan Ingram? Yeah, it is. If Ghaladay's out, Shepard is certainly the beneficiary here. I think it's better in full PPR leagues because Shepard Shepard is like a high target floor.

He just gets a lot, like they throw the ball to him a lot. I'm not going to like Shepard this year. He's not like a deep threat at all, and I don't necessarily know if he's even going to be a red zone thing. He's one of those things that's always been better as an idea than an actual player, but I will say that you always want to be flexing receivers if you can, and I will say about Shepard

is a flex, he's not the Mike Williams guy, usually he's going to get you three points. Like, he'll always get you like eight. Yeah, it's just he very rarely gets you 15. Right. So I don't know if that's the kind of player we like to throw a late round dart at is like the safe guys. Usually like the higher

upside guys, having said that if you do need a safe player, like Sterling Shepard is a good option for a relatively high floor with Goladay out, but And also Evan Ingram probably is, I hate to say it, at tight end, like, at the end of the day, like, Evan Ingram almost led this team in every receiving category. He did not, but he really was close. And, you know, it's not hard to envision Evan Ingram who's very, like, we always say athletic tight ends and I've banned that word. But I believe he is one of the four fastest tight ends in the NFL.

He's fast. He is, like, one of the four or five fastest by 40R dash. So you could do that, but I'll, I think legally I'm not allowed to endorse the New York Giants. as fantasy this year. I know too much. Okay. Fair enough. All right.

We can move on. Okay. Thanks. Now we can move on after you've opened all these wounds that were scarred over. I just like an aneurysm there was just like, I was like, I was like, oh no, the Zoom broke up. And I was like, wait a kid.

He's just doing that. All right. Who's next? Okay. My faller here is Mike Evans on the bucks. The thing that stands out to me most is that Mike Kevin scored 13 touchdowns last year, the most of his career,

played all 16 games, and was the wide receiver 13 in points per game. We have him ranked at the wide receiver 14 this year, as does ESPN. I think that should be lower, and it will be lower when we refresh our rankings next. Mike Evans had the lowest targets per game of his career, yards per game,

and target share of his career. And by a large margin, I just think this year with the bucks, obviously there's a Super Bowl hangover thing. I'm not really going to use that, but it's more of natural statistical regression. Tom Brady 3 for 40 touchdowns. third most of his career.

And everyone is fully healthy. Antonio Brown entered the season halfway through last year for Tampa Bay. OJ. Howard, Tours Achilles. Chris Gobind was banged up. They've added Gio Bernard. Scotty Miller's still there. Cameron Bray's still there. Gronk is back for another season.

I just don't think that a wide receiver 14 value is really reasonable for somebody like Mike Evans who is incredibly dependent on the touchdown. And last year, it's not like any of those numbers. skyrocketed in terms of red zone targets, goal line targets. It was all the same that he's pretty much had his entire career. He just was incredibly efficient. I don't believe that's going to happen again. And with all of these surrounding factors kind of mixing into it, I think Mike Evans is

more of a close out of wide receiver 20 for me. It's hard for me to dispute this. He's kind of a weird one because he's always like actually really consistent. You know, he always gets over a thousand yards, blah, blah, blah. he's clearly one of Brady's favorite targets inside the red zone. He's not super consistent with touchdowns. I mean, he's had 12, 3, 12, 5, 8, 8, 13, yeah. He's consistently a big threat in the offense.

And, like, how many seasons does he play? He's had 1,000 yards in every season so far. Yep. So, I don't know. It's tough. But, like, yeah, you're right. His target rate was really low, at least for, like, what we'd consider an alpha-style receiver last year.

It was, like, in the 17s or something. 17%. And that's just like you're not going to be able to keep that up. I think, yeah, like you're saying, he was way too dependent on touchdowns. Unless something changes, unless the Buccaneers have an injury at the receiver position, they also have a lot of depth there. So maybe another guy steps in even if they do have an injury. So I don't know.

It is tough. The thing with Mike Evans is in fantasy. He is the best receiver in all of fantasy football that might get you two catches for two yards. And you'll be like, yeah, that happens with that. Mike Evans. Like, you know what I mean? Like, if Alan Robinson gets you two catches for two yards, you're like, what is he hurt? And Mike Evans, it's like, yeah, he does that a few times a year. Like, remember when we called him a fullback last year? Because he had two different games. Yeah. Two catches for like two touchdowns and like that was it, two yards.

This man last year had week one, he had one catch for two yards in a touchdown. Week three, he had two catches for two yards in a touchdown. Week five, one catch for 10 yards. Like that, I'm, I'm not doing that and depending on him scoring touchdowns. If I remember, was he going through hamstring something at the time? But the point is, Mike Evans does that. However, I'll say this. I think on one hand, he's really good. And I think the Bucks will be better next year

and that those games were in the beginning of the year when the Buc's offense was really fichotted. However, I think what's interesting about this is Brady. I think that it's important to remember the difference between bad quarterbacks and good quarterbacks. And one of the things that good quarterbacks can do is they can just process through reeds faster. Spread the ball around.

Yeah, they spread the ball around. So, like, if you look at the Packers, Devante's force fed. And then everyone else in the Packers receiving court is kind of not really good for fantasy. Like it spread out too much. Like Robert Tunyon last year was good, but only because he had like 12 touchdowns, like 50 catches. Most of these guys don't get consistent enough balls.

Drew Brees. It was like Michael Thomas. And then all the other Saints guys other than the Camara were just like they don't get the ball enough. The Bucks, it's interesting because Evans and Galdet are, sorry, Evans and Chris Godwin are both right there. And then Brady just spreads the ball around too much. And I think that's kind of the issue is that Mike Evans has the talent on par with

guys above him. And so it's hard to pass on him. However, the consistency isn't quite there. And ironically, because Tom Brady's so good. Also, I kind of think we're not facting in the fact that Antonio Brown is there for a full season with a full off season and is perhaps the greatest wide receiver to ever play football. I mean, he was good in the final eight games of the season. I think he could be a sneaky value. I will say this. For all of Antonio Brown's, I'm trying to think of the word. All the stuff that just happened that has led to him being on like four different teams, some of which is absolutely awful if you look into the details. The cold reality is he actually hasn't declined as much as you think. Like he's actually somehow, some way, managed to like

actually like maintain in pretty good shape and pretty good receiving help. Like he's a lot closer to that Pittsburgh forum than you would think based on how wild the last few years have been for him. Also, Brady like clearly wants him to be a big part of the offense. Like he let him come live in his house and things like that. It's just, you know, that is the situation. and Brady wants him to be a big part of this offense. And he was like a big part of the reason that Antonio Brown is in Tampa Bay. It's a good point.

Like we talk about who is the best receiving court in the league. Like, who is it the Bengals with T. Higgins, Jamar Chase, is the Cowboys, the CDA. It's the, it's the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It is. Like Antonio Brown is their third receiver. So I think that's a good point, Craig. All right.

Well, why we're talking about receivers, I'm going to, so a couple fallers. This is cheating, but I think it's, again, it's important when you're in the top of the round. I have A.G. Brown from the Titans. at receiving the DK Metcalf at Seahawks. We dropped them each two spots from 18 and age Brown was 18, DK.K. Metcalfe was 19.

We have them now at 20 and 21. And now we've also moved Antonio Gibson, the running back from Washington and Najee Harris, the running back from the Pittsburgh, above them. So we're basically saying we have Gibson and Harris above A.J. Brown and Metcalfe. I think that's an important distinction because for me, that's how I'm going about my drafts.

It's not because I don't think A.J. Brown and D.K. McCaff will be good. It's because I think that receiver, there's, Antonio Gibson and Najee Harris are really the last kind of group for me in that top two rounds of running backs, where you're getting a huge advantage in what they're going to give your team. And then the next three, four rounds, basically from pick 20-ish, give or take, to like 60-ish, 70-ish, something like that. You generally want to be going receivers, or if you can find a quarterback that's really good or a tied-in really good, that value. And that that's the line to me.

Once Gibson and Harris are gone, I want to be looking AJ Brown and Metcalf. But I won't look at them until the Najee Harris and Antonio Gibson's are off the board. Yeah, we've essentially added the Antonio Gibson and Najee Harris's into the not outside of the dead zone. We push them out of the dead zone and into the hot zone, which then, you know, there has to be some sacrifices. And that would be AJ Brown and DK Metcalf. Yeah. And so to be clear, it's not that we dislike the value of where AJ Brown and Metcalf are being drafted. It's because we dislike them as people.

We hate them personally. You know, it's not a value quest. We actually just don't like them. That's, is that where we're at? These are, like, two of the most likable receivers in the NFL, too. I love that. I think, if you think 15 years from now, like, I think, I was watching the Little League World Series, and it's funny to hear the kid, like, all the kids just named their favorite

players. And it's funny to hear who they are. And, like, I really believe that 10 years from now, the guys, like, most people this age, I don't know if it's a poster on the wall anymore. I guess it's your phone background or whatever. But, like, I think DK Metcalf is. easily going to be the most iconic player. I know. I want to look up jersey sales.

Like, I'm wondering if D.K. McCaff is going to kind of beat out my West Coast bias thing. We're West Coast wide receivers. He's got everything about it. It just kind of works. He's just cool, man. He has, like, the cross earring. The visor.

The visor look is an iconic look. Like, he just looks like a creative player and madded. He's got the binky mouth guard. Bringing back binkies. Passifiers. And all of that is the only reason all of that works is because he's absolutely massive. That's huge. Do you remember when he ran?

He started as a meme. That's what's key. You can't be famous these days unless you start as a meme. That's why our ceilings are capped. Do you remember that other rec—there was a linebacker or like a defensive end on Baylor, and he wore that like short little shirt while doing the coin flip and everybody freaked. Sean Oakman? Yeah, Sean Oakman.

He's huge. I think that's who you're talking about. But I know that that was a guy. he got drafted. Like, D.K. Meckoff was that if it worked out. Yeah, it's so true. Do you guys remember when he did his sprint over the summer? He looked like twice as big as everyone else on the track.

It was so weird. I think there was a video of him doing like a box jump on one leg and he jumped like 44 inches on one leg. That's unbelievable. Dude, all the videos these guys posts on like Instagram during their workouts in the off season are always insane. Like the Miles Garrett box jumps are actually some of the craziest stuff I've ever seen. He's holding like 40 pound dumbbell at each hand. And he's just jumping up like 45 inches. And it's like, what, are you kidding me?

There's some truly iconic like meme, Photoshopped photos of D.K. McCaff standing next to Tyler Lockett out there on Twitter. It's like really funny. And also like when he caught up with, was it Bouda Baker? Who did he catch, who did he catch on that one play? It's Bouda Baker. Yeah, Buda Baker. The run down.

Yeah. really he's like 5-8 or whatever it's like that uh that Derek Henry Dionne Lewis picked do you remember the photo of the All-Star game four years ago D-K don't mean to bring up baseball sorry but four years ago when Aaron Judge was at second base in the All-Star game

next to Jose Al-Tufei Oh yeah And all the memes were just like These are the two leading guys in the MVP race All right next up D-K All right who do we got next? All right so Curtis Samuel I guess I'm sort of just taking the easy road here

and talking about injured players, and sorry for that, but I think it is a variable that we have to consider this deep into the preseason now. Availability is the best ability. There you go. Cliche, but it's true. So he was 94 on our list. We've now dropped him down to 113.

I think, you know, he might end up dropping a little bit more. We'll see, but it just depends on how quickly he can come back. He is now off the PUP list. He had been nursing and injured groin basically the entire summer. So he has not practiced at all this summer. And so now, the issue is not him necessarily even just getting his groin fully healthy and ready to play.

It's like conditioning. This is what I think I heard Ron Rivera talking about the other day. It's like conditioning is a major issue. Everybody else on the team has been practicing for the last like two months and getting ready and doing wind sprints, especially if you're on the Giants. Imagine how good shape the giants are compared to Curtis Samuel right now. So I think that is a problem.

And then obviously there's the fear that he could injure his groin. groin is one of those tricky injuries where if you slip a little bit on the grass when you're trying to make a cut you could re-injure that really quickly and easily Well at least Washington has really good turf. Didn't they get it? Did they get it replaced?

I did think I heard they got like field turf finally and it's like I think they did. I just wanted a cheap joke. They had been like notoriously terrible turf. And the other thing is Ron Rivera last week said there's no timetable for his return quote you'd love to see him catch a few

reps maybe in the last preseason game, but we're not going to rush him out there. He's coming back. He'll be healthy. He'll be ready to roll. Maybe we'll throw him in the last preseason game. That to me is like a major red flag. Like this is going to be a process for a while. So I don't know.

That makes me really worried. Also like from what we've heard, Terry McLaren looks really good. Logan Thomas is ready to like tear it up. Even Adam Humphreys is getting some love as like a slot receiver option there. So I don't know And then like Stephen Sims Getting a little bit of hype There's a couple other guys in this receiving core

That I started to like you know make moves And I don't know It's just making me really worried That Samuel is just gonna like start the season slow I have to work his way back in Maybe have to work his way back up the depth chart You got Antonio Gibson threatening to catch 100 passes I don't know

I'm just starting to be a little bit worried I mean it's a groin injury for a speed guy Like that sucks Yeah It's kind of just one of those things like what Like it's just that's a challenge to the core proposition of why you want Curtis Samuel on your team.

A couple months ago, I would have been very excited to draft Curtis Samuel. I am not whatsoever excited to take him out. The idea of Curtis Samil's always better than the reality. He's going to be tough. He's one of those guys who's now really hard to assess on draft day for like a fantasy league because you know he's talented. He like has his role kind of lined up for him in the offense, but he's hurt. Like he's going to end up going for like a dollar in auction leagues or way later than

he should. And he might work out really well. But I always have trouble drafting the guys who I know are talented but are kind of injured. for week one. I'd never really know how far to drop them. Yeah. So that's that's a good, this is where it's important to illuminate the difference between like a auction or calling a seller cap now and regular.

So right now he's Curtis Samuel and like a redraft league's going around 105th overall. I don't think I would take him there. Like it's just there's too much. But if he's going for a buck or two in an auction, totally taking him a buck or two. Who cares? Yeah. That's fine. All right. Well, the same problem. The groin. What we're talking of groin injuries like, dude, Rashad Bateman for the Ravens, man. This

I mean, Rashad Bateman is this first rounder. He was just, I think, really universally beloved as like this very underhyped guy. I don't think most college or the most casual NFL fans had heard of Rashad Bateman during the college football season. But people really loved him and went to Baltimore, which was already a downer because they throw less than anyone. Now he's getting groin surgery. He's going to be out. Maybe he plays week one, probably not. But even he shows up, the point is he's a rookie who's now missing all the training camp.

And that just never is good. It's never good for rookies to miss. And it's one thing for like a Devante Smith, at least he was playing the SEC. see, but like, Rashad Bateman, now he's on the lowest volume passing offense and he's missing time. That's just sucks.

And then you've also got Marquis Brown, who's still out with the same string injury. Sammy Watkins left injury today. We don't know what happened. It's Tuesday at 1.13 p.m. We don't know what happened to Sammy Watkins. Again, it's so, like, in a dynasty, sure,

Rashad Bateman, but like this year, there were already so many knocks against him for a rookie receiver to, like, miss that much time. It's really tough. I just, I think we,

I think we've dropped him at, We dropped him all the 188th. It's like, he's one of those guys. Like, leave him on waivers. And if he does something, pick him up then. The Ravens are having a rough training camp. So Bateman's hurt. Marquis Brown is hurt.

Lamar Jackson has been out with COVID and he's just getting back in. They're having, they've got, who else is hurt? Sammy Watkins, of course, is hurt again. I think Marlon Humphrey got hurt. He's like their best defender. Jesus, man. It's like, they're snake bitten already. So I don't know.

Yeah. Not looking good for, the Ravens offense early on in camp. Nope. All right. Next up, Craig. Dallas Goddert, Foller, for me,

we have him as a tight end seven. He will be lower for me when the next rankings come out. Until Zach Ertz leaves, I'm not taking Goddard in the top seven, which is, like I just said, where we have him. Last year, Jalen Hertz,

Goddard and Zach Ertz played four games together. In those four games, Goddard had 24 targets. Ertz had 24 targets. He's kind of a hit or miss guy. He only had three top 12 performances last year at Ty Venn. I'm speaking about Dallas Goddard. Add in Devante Smith, Zachert seems to be healthy this year. I don't know. Dallas Guard had averaged 46 yards a game with Jalen Hertz. Like, that's

not exactly something I want to spend like my 60th or 70th pick on in the middle when I can get somebody like Chase Claypool. I'm going to drop him into the Noah Fant Robert Tunyon Tier in our next rankings, I think. I think that's definitely fair. If I'm taking, if I'm on the board, I'm absolutely taking Logan Thomas over Dallas Goddard. I'm taking Tyler Higby over him personally. Honestly, I'm probably taking Gisicki, even though he didn't run a ton of routes in that first game. He did have two catches in the preseason game, but like...

Wow, Gisciki over Gauder. I mean, honestly, Goddard, I think is just, there's so much up in the air right now. If Earths does get traded, things change. But it doesn't feel like it's going in that direction right now, does it? It doesn't feel like it's going to happen. That makes sense, but to your point, I like Logan Thomas a lot more than God.

I think Logan Thomas is that perfect, like, late round, later round tight end that is worth the targeting because I think McLaureen leads that team in receiving but like we would just talk about Curtis Samuel I think Logan Thomas is clearly the number two option on that team I was kind of fading Logan Thomas over the summer and I traded him in one Dynasty League and I was just like I don't know because they're going to have all these other guys they sign Curtis Samuel to all this money but then they they re-upped Logan Thomas at least 30 it makes sense in a dynasty league but for this year I think Logan Thomas is a really good value yeah and that's just to me it just feels like it's trending towards he's just

going to get pepper with targets and so I'm like kind of regretting fading him during the offseason. Craig mentioned Higby. I just want to shout at Higby for a second. I mean, that's a guy that you can just kind of get a crazy discount on based on what platform we're using. If you're in an ESPN draft,

Tyler Higby is ranked like 140th or something, 150th or something, 150th. You can get Tyler Higby like 120th in an ESB in draft, no problem. Like, I think Tyler Higby is a better chance to finish as a top 10 tie-in and then Dallas Godder does if Zach Ertz is 18.

The thing with Higby and with all these around the later round tight-in picks is you kind of want the upside of like, Can this guy pop? And the thing with Higby is, again, as Craig mentioned, somehow, some way, the only tight end with four straight 100-yard games in a row, I believe. And that was when Gerald Everett was out injured,

and he's not on the team anymore. You just throw in a dart that like, hmm, what if McVeigh likes to use Higby that way? And if he does, then holy cow. And that's, that's, I also think he's more upset than Goddard. Okay, D.K., you got another one for us? Yeah, so sticking with the Eagles, and I am going to say,

I recognize that today on Tuesday Jalen Rager is the talk of training camp he made this absolutely ridiculous one and a catch in the back of the end zone it's awesome. Google that on Twitter or whatever, Google it on Twitter. Search for it on Twitter. No, don't go to Twitter.

Go to YouTube because Twitter's bad for your health. He basically did this like fade in the background. He was like basically the Beckham catch where he just reaches up with one hand, plucks it out of the air. This is the second incredible catch he's made during training camp. I'm not going to say that really actually matters, but it does feel like he's starting to get a little more confidence in himself and

starting to get into the group. So I say all this with a grain of salt, but we did drop down, we did drop Jalen Rager down on our ranks pretty significantly. You know, Ques Watkins has been the star of camp. Devante Smith is there and he's, I think, going to be the defector number one right away. There had been multiple reports throughout training camp of Rager, just basically getting to ask chewed out by coaches for doing this, that, the other thing wrong. Most beat reporters through the first couple of weeks, the training camp had said he hadn't really been flashing,

hadn't really done anything. So, yeah, we moved him down, and I think that's probably the right move. However, over the next few weeks, I think we could be talking about a reversal here. So this is a guy to, like, I think, keep on your radar. Obviously, former first-round pick.

Like, he was their first-round pick last year. They took him before Justin Jefferson. They clearly want to make him a big part of their offense. I think he fits much better as a number-two option than a, like, real, alpha number one. Just use him on the things that he's really good at. He's explosive. Use him on sweeps, screens, things like that, get him in space. He's showing an ability to win the catchpoint. That's really exciting. So I don't know. I think he's a guy that we moved down pretty significantly.

But as of Tuesday, maybe that could have been like a little bit premature. So we'll see. I think he's just an interesting guy to kind of keep your eye on over the next couple weeks. To be honest, I would just leave them on waivers. If he does something, I'd pick him up. I don't really want to stay. I mean, he's going to be a late round pick regardless. So he's a deep league guy. He's a deep K. All right.

Well, that was 10 guys. We got to 10, but I'm going to just add the 11th because this is an important one. This is very important for everyone listening. Do not tune out right now. Denzel Mims for the New York Jets receiver, who I never really liked. You two have been obsessed with it. Why did you like him? Honestly, like I could give you reasons.

The real reason is probably you liked him at first, and I just didn't want to like the guy you liked. He just zagged immediately. trying to make good content, you know? Undisputed, Skate Baylor style. That makes sense. Yeah, exactly. It's, you know what? Well, damn it.

Was the tagline of the show? What, undisputed? Yeah, shit, I figured. You're not going to believe what Skip said today. That's the takeaway. Denzel Mims, anyway. No, we're staying on point here. Denzel Mims was practicing with the third team with the Jets.

This is like one of their top picks and we're like, what's going on? I don't know how we missed this. It was food poisoning. This is from last week. Pro football talk, I'm reading right now. Bad salmon caused Denzel Mims to miss most of the offseason program. Many players made the conscious decision to not participate in the voluntary offseason program in 2021. But one player wanted to participate, but got something got in the way.

Via Andy Vasquez of USA Today, Denzel Mims lost 20 pounds after eating bad salmon. That's a lot. The illness kept him from doing much in the offseason program. Quote, it took a big toll on me, Mims said, and no, I haven't touched salmon ever since, end quote. the illness caused Mims to fall from 217 to 197. He's now back to 208. 20 pounds for an NFL athlete is so much. And he's only gained 10 pounds of it back.

I feel bad for this guy. What a hero. He just wanted to work out. Dude, these guys are not like us. These guys really feel it. Like, especially a receiver, like a three-pound difference is pretty bit. 20 pounds for an NFL-wide receiver. That's like what people lose throughout.

39 days on Survivor. And they eat 100 calories of rice a day. Naked and afraid. Yeah. 20 pounds is not, like, that's like what a linebacker needs to become a defensive end. But honestly, sometimes it's like 13.

So, Hyphen, has this changed your tune on Mims at all? Yeah. How could it not? I don't wonder he's on the third string. He lost 20 pounds. That's crazy. I'm like, I, I really want to buy this, this narrative that it's

The reason he's playing with the third team is because he lost 20 pounds, because he got food poisoning from, by the way, I saw a report. I can't remember who said it. It was sources said it was the Jets organization that gave him that salmon. Oh my God, are you kidding?

Classic Jets. So it went from the Jets just being poisonous to them actually poisoning their own players? Literally poisoning one of their top draft picks from last year. He was the second rounder. It says he vomited for two weeks. Good Lord.

as my mom always said about football teams you know the fish rots from the head Jesus but I don't know it doesn't really feel so I guess he is making his way back still maybe there's a chance that he's gonna like quickly work his way up feels like a midseason

waiver ad yeah he is still playing he's still like the sixth guy in preseason week one well he's still 11 pounds under weight he's not even playing at his playweight he was playing behind Jeff Smith and Vincent Smith Smith this is not

This is like alarm bells in my head still. Which to you gives you more hope. Denzel Mims being on the third string because he had food poisoning. Or James may be throwing all the picks because he didn't have LASIC yet. Now he's got LASIC. The LASIC thing makes... The LASIC thing is just the funniest thing I've ever heard. Because it's like every picture you see of James, he's just like, like, squinting a little bit,

like trying to like read something that's really far away. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, also, I couldn't believe it because when Lombardi worked here, Lombardi always joked that, like, he just thought Jemis was the best quarterback, but he just sometimes confused which team was wearing which colors.

He's just colorblind. That's all. Colorblind. So then three years later, have Jemis be like, yeah, I need LASIC. I was the most full circle. It's pretty hilarious. You do need to be able to see in order to play quarterback.

But no, back to Denzel Mims. I'm not, he's not ranked. I don't think right now. for us. He's not going to be until he's playing with at least the second team, right? At least.

And I don't know. I'm just not super I'm not feeling super great about it right now. It just feels like there's too much in front of him at this point. At this point, maybe yeah, maybe midway through the season he's the way of wire at. It doesn't sound like they're going to trade him. So it really just involves him working his way back up and getting in front of some of the

other guys. He did, I will say he did lead the Jets in receiving yards in week one. However, he did not play until the second half. So it was against like third string four stringers. Well, he's the third stringers. Things have to change. You know, fair fight.

Yeah. Okay, let's go to some mail. It's from Mike. D.K. said he hates having his search to find out the owner of a fantasy team with their names. For my league, we make every team's abbreviation. The owner's initials are shortening of his first name.

It solves the issue without banning some of the fun like DK would surely prefer. Banning the fun. Make me sound like such a grinch. Energy vampire. I would prefer that, yeah. I'm into that. I think a couple of people threw that at me on Twitter.

have to work their name into the pun, which, I mean, hell, that's great. That helps me a lot. I just don't want to have to click on every goddamn team. Why does it really matter who you're playing? Do you need to know the exact name of every guy in your 16 leagues who you're playing? No, I'm talking about like, so, for instance, here's an example of what would happen is like I get a text from someone saying, hey, do you want to move so-and-so? And then I have to go in and click through every team, try and figure out who's on his roster.

No, just search the player, and then you'll find his team. I don't want to have to search anything I just want to be able to click on his team but yeah that is probably a good point Wow did we just solve that whole thing right there Jesus are you kidding me That was easy Holy shit okay well that's wow

All right second part Also for Mike how much stock do you guys put into strength of schedule Given how much the league changes year to year So I thought this is a good question Yeah so first of all we talked of strength of schedule The traditional strength of schedule stat that you see mostly on TV is based on like just the win-loss record last year

not very helpful doesn't take into account like I don't know last year the buck strength of schedule would not have taken into account you know Tom Brady replacing James Winston so the thing we use Warren Sharp who does you know the podcast here at the ringer Warren Sharp looks at strength of schedule

and really what you want to do is you want to look at really either people putting a lot of math into it or really just the Vegas win totals because the Vegas wind totals are encompassing like everything about the team. It's way more info. It's way more accurate. So when you're looking at those ones, to me, what matters is the stuff at the extremes. It's the ones at the very easiest than the one very end of the spectrum. So like when the, I see that Warren Sharp has the Niners as the easiest schedule in 2021. Like by a lot. By a lot. That means to me, okay, we got to really

look at this Niners backfield. It means to me like, okay, Trace Serman, Rahimus, most are like figuring out what happens there is very important. Two, it also means, okay, well, maybe Tray Lance doesn't play off the jump because at the nine you start five and one, are they really going to bench Jimmy Garoppolo? Like the Dolphins bench Fitzpatrick for Tewa last year, I'm not so sure. Though that's what I think about. I think, you know, the Steelers, you know, or Team X going from 18th to 14th means basically nothing to me.

But the extremes and then also big jumps or no jumps. Like Cleveland had the easiest schedule last year. This year they have the third easiest. Okay, so like maybe Cleveland can. and make the playoffs again. Like those are, I don't know, what about you guys? Yeah, I mean, I think there's, there is a lot of research that is done on, you know, the strength of schedule thing.

And I think, you know, it's good. It's, I think it's especially good for like DFS in particular, like if you're going week to week. I don't have a strong opinion on it. I don't really pay attention to it, to be honest. Just because I think there's so many other variables that play too. Like, is this guy good? Is he going to get snaps? And that's hard enough to predict.

predict it's very difficult to predict what teams are actually going to be as good as you think they're going to be so I guess I would just I would just say it's lower it lower down on the on the wrong on the ladder or whatever in terms of what I'm actually paying attention to in DFS it's important with when you're talking about streaming players it's important and you know obviously you want to have guys with good matchups all that stuff but full redraft stuff I don't really pay attention yeah I don't I don't draft because of schedule but I start players because of schedule and also to throw D.K. Abone here for year, like, it's important for trade targets. Look at what David Montgomery did. Yes. You know? So it's stuff to keep in mind and it's, you know, something to consider, but it's not going to affect how I draft a player.

Yeah. And, like, there are some players who have a tough start to the season and you're like, oh, maybe target. Like, the cults have a terrible start to the season. But if you want to target Michael Pittman, you know, after three weeks, you know, post that Rams game in week two. Like, that's something to keep in mind. The cousin of this is, do you guys care about buy weeks?

Because I put zero stock into buy weeks. Does anyone, I feel like we've all, as a group, came to the consensus that by weeks don't matter. Like, is there any fantasy guy out there who says it matters? I think some people, first of all, I think the fact that a lot of draft guides, including ours, has it.

I think just because people really want it. But to be honest, there's just a certain level of control. There's a certain level of control that you just have to let go of. And the idea that, well, I have to protect my lineup for week seven,

I just, it's not, it doesn't matter, maybe. It's so far down the list of things that matter. It's so far from the center of the circle of things that matter, let it go out into the middle of space. Don't keep it in your orbit. I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion, but I almost like having all of my team's bi-weeks on one week.

Some people do that. Some people are like, oh, let me just take the L on it at full strength. And I'm like, just get good players, dude. Just get good players. Just pick the right players. Yeah, pick good players. That's my, there you go. That's the heart-hitting analysis.

Okay, we have another email here. This is among the better emails we've ever gotten. Yes, it is. Tyson Tyson. Tyson. Tyson has compiled all of the musical acts

that D.K. Has shouted out. Unbelievable feat from Tyson. Thank you, Tyson. Yeah, this is insane. This is awesome. Outstanding work from Tyson. It's also exposed Danny Kelly.

God damn it. You know what Tyson is? You know what Tyson is? Tape grinder. Yeah, he really, I mean, Jesus. This is incredible. So we're going back to November of last year. Here are all the people

that D.K. shout it out. Who are we going to read this list? Whoa, whoa, whoa, you're not reading all these names. What the hell are you thinking? Oh, we're not. Okay. Well, I just want to shout out, like, look how mainstream he started. Yeah.

Jay Z, Kanye, Katie Perry, Beyonce, Mariah Carey. And then I believe we yell at him specifically for just being like, are you just looking at top streaming list? Then he went Band of Horseser. But then he's done Katie Perry twice. Unbelievable. Taylor Swift, oops. Taylor Swift twice.

I think he tried to do Jay Z twice. We did none at one point. Why did we do? We forgot to do it. Yeah, I guess we missed one. My favorite one is the C-Santi TikTok phase. That was sweeping the nation. Quite honestly, that is maybe my favorite thing that come out of this podcast this year, is just

discover the C-Shantees. I actually would listen to them for like the following two weeks. They rip. Yeah, they do rip. They're unbelievable. How many times did I do Taylor Swift? I feel like I did Taylor Swift like four times. Also, you shouted at Cole Beasley's rap career.

That one didn't go quite the way. That one did an age. hasn't aged well. Steely Dan. I like that. You didn't even know who that was. I've heard of Steely Dan. What the hell you know who Steely Dan is?

I do. I don't know where he's getting that from. Oh, I feel like you guys... No, that's... Never mind. It's... Stan Getz. You didn't know who Stan Getz was. Yeah, okay.

That's a bit different. No, I don't know who Stan gets is. Stan gets is insanely famous. He's very famous. Is he more famous than Steely Dan? He's definitely not. Yeah. He is a hundred percent.

He's a jazz saxophonist. Stan gets is a hundred a hundred percent more famous than Steely Dan. Who is Steely Dan? Do you even know who Steely Dan is? Yeah, they're like a massive rock band. They're not a guy. They're a band. Is there a Dan in the band? I would imagine so yes, but... I can't name a Steely Dan performer. I'm sorry. Did I just get... Did this conversation start with just making fun of me for not knowing them and then D.K. didn't know it was a band and not one guy? I know it's a band. I know it's a band. They're like one of those famous yacht rock bands of like the 70s.

I'm dead 70s, 80s, 90s. They've been around a long time. I just find the term Yacht Rock hilarious. No, I knew it was a band, I didn't think his first name was Steely. Is not knowing Yot Rock cause for termination at the Ringer? Yeah, Bill would be extremely disappointed.

Can Bill fire us for not knowing about Yot Rock is? You guys are just freaking make, jump into conclusions here. We need to jump to conclusions. I actually still don't know who Stan gets is. No disrespect to Stan gets. I'm sure he's a legend. Okay.

I don't want to do your dur. work no more what does stan get sing the girl from epa nema oh yeah actually it's not even him but he's on he's on that song can we shout out clarence clemens i love clarence clemens sure r-i p what's the worst band i i threw out here remember when you guys didn't know that david haslehoff was a singer okay again i really don't think that should be held against us i really didn't know that this is people that did not grow up in the 80s. It's kind of like kids right now are like George Foreman was a boxer? The grill guy? Fought people? Arnold Schwarzenegger was an actor? Was that like a Logan Paul fighting Mayweather thing? Like he just fought Muhammad Ali? What? I had a girl. I had a foreman grill.

Those things were helpful in college. Anyway, we can move on. Thank you for putting together this list. It's incredible. Yeah, thank you, Tyson. We went down to just memory lane right there. We should put this on social media. To honor Tyson, Tyson, email us a band and we will shout them out on the next episode. Yes, 100%. Tyson, email us a band. All right. Thank you, Tyson. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. I'm going to just say thank you, Clarence Clements. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Chris Stapleton. Oh, that's a good one. Tennessee whiskey, man. Tennessee whiskey, but the, the one he did at the CMA, like five years ago with Justin Timberlake. It's like a cross, it's two songs. I do. I think I do vaguely remember that. I think I do too, actually. Chris Stapleton, Justin

Timberlake. I think it's, I can't drink you a, a, away. Oh yeah. That's that's on Justin Timberlake's part two of his 2020 album or whatever that's I think it's Tennessee whiskey and then they transition into I Can't Drink You Away and it's it's fantastic. Mashup. Mass up. All right. Also while we're there, there's, you know what? We'll stay for another time. All right. Thank you everyone. Goodbye. What were you going to say? There's this incredible country. You know what? I'm just going to look it up. And if you keep all this end, it's fine. There's a country music medley and there's incredible YouTube video that basically is like, you know, country music kind of all sounds the same, like the ones that do the charts.

Well, like pop stadium country. Yeah. So the stadium country. So there's something called a country music medley. And the exact YouTube video, if you want to look it up, is called Sir Mash a lot, mind-blowing six-song country mashup. If you look up Sir Match-a-Lot, mind-blowing six-song country mash-up, it is the number one country song from 2012, 2013, and then the two number ones from 2014, and then two, like,

the number two is from 2014. So it's six country songs. from 2012, 2014, that all reached number one. And they just splice them all together. And they work perfectly together. Like, they're all the same song. Well, what's funny about that is, did you watch Bo Burnham's previous special called Make Happy?

He has a country song, and it called Pandering. And he's like, all these songs are sung with the same, they have the same subject, the same four chords, and it's just the same bullshit. Cold beer, cold jeans. Strike that last one. Dirt road. No Jews.

Forget that I said that. It's unbelievable. Yeah. So check that out. Is this going in the pod? By the way, Steely Dan, I just wanted to check on

like who's more famous. Steely Dan, five million monthly listeners on Spotify. Dan, Stan gets 2.9 million. So, Steely Dan gets the nod on this one. And I'll over can't.

Kind of surprised about that. No, I'll over can't because Stan gets is significantly like an older musician than Steely Gan, right? Yes. Stan Gets is from, hold on, I'll see when he was born. If Stan Gets has 3 million users on Spotify, then like I would assume,

I know, I can't because that's actually a lot closer than I would have thought. Stan Gets died in 91. He was born in 27, and he was active from 1943 to 1991. So he was definitely like before your guys' time. No, but that's actually an impressive. That's actually really close considering the age gap. That's actually very close. All right, cool. I'll give it a DK. All right. Now we're actually going to end this. Goodbye, everyone.