The Ringer NFL Show - Bounce-Back Sleepers for 2024

Episode Date: July 18, 2024

LIVE SHOW in Los Angeles on July 30: Click below for tickets! The guys react to Brandon Aiyuk's official request for a trade out of San Francisco and predict what will ultimately happen (3:43). Next, they reveal their biggest post-hype sleepers (a.k.a. players coming off of disappointing seasons who have bounce-back potential) and make the case for why you should target them in fantasy drafts this time around (7:48). “You guys want to do some emails?” (56:26). Tickets: https://www.theelrey.com/events/detail/564772 Kyle Pitts, Falcons TE (8:07) Najee Harris, Steelers RB (15:27) Mark Andrews, Ravens TE (21:37) Kyler Murray, Cardinals QB (25:29) D’Andre Swift, Bears RB (31:32) Tony Pollard, Titans RB (39:02) Chris Godwin, Buccaneers WR (45:08) Jerry Jeudy, Browns WR (52:12) Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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where these two will explain to me which Targaryen is right. Football show, my name is Danny Hyfitz. I am joined by D.K. and Craig, Horlebeck, sorry, I'm laughing because we just told Craig to shut up. Craig, where were you saying? Because you started ranting before the show was gone. I was asking a question. I was like, is the term post-hyped? And then Hyphitz said, shut the fuck up, save it for the show.

But what I was actually going to ask is I was speaking on my mom. more of a, from an SEO standpoint, I was like, is the term post-type actually an understandable term for people who aren't in our little fantasy football vacuum? And I was like, should we title it's something different? That's a good, good question. So we're doing post-type sleepers today. And it's not really, it's more just players that are, it's bounced back, I guess. Bounce back, okay, we're going to do a poll on Spotify, listening on Spotify, if you're listening on Spotify, of a poll of, I mean, obviously the episode's called whatever it is. But vote on what we should have called the episode. If you're on Spotify, you can click the episode and we'll put all

the other titles we come up with. Crowdsource. SEO. I like this. Yeah, well, crowdsource. So you can, if you don't like our title. We're going to crowdsource what the title should have been. That's good process. That's great. That's smart. Next year we'll do it. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah, next year. Yeah. Whoops. Anyway, yeah, we're going through bounce back post type, some other third option that we'll think about halfway through that should have been the idea the whole time. Anyway, I like this exercise. And I think that the key to it, though, is it has to, to, to To be truly be a bounce back, to truly be a post type, it has to be a player that when you say their name, it's mildly revolting. Like you roll your eyes a little.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If it doesn't give you pause, it doesn't count. So when I throw out Kyle Pitts and you shudder, that's what we're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's the definition because at some point, you have to be picking players that people are like actually afraid to take a stand on because you feel stupid.

or disgusted. Is that fair? Yeah. That's good. Stupid and disgusted. Yeah. I think that's about it. Craig, this is less, it's less funny than you asking a one minute before the show what a post type sleeper is. It was, I know what it is. I'm saying, is there a cleaner way to communicate that with the casual audience? Right. I like that we're figuring this out in the beginning of the episode. Anyway, should we, well, actually, wait, before we get into that two things. One,

live show, Los Angeles, July 30th. City of Angels. The ringer.com slash event. You can get tickets. It's really simple. If you live in LA, go to our show. Or, I don't know, you're dead to us. It's fine.

But that's it. That's not sure. We still love you. But you should come. Come hang out. You don't know that. Don't speak for me. We still have a few spots left.

So come join us. There might be some fun props for giving out. Some, who knows? You know, we're thinking. Are there? We're thinking up some fun stuff. We have big ideas. We have big ideas.

We have approved. Oh, okay. Oh, right, right, right. Okay. Right, right, right. Right, right, right, right. Right. Okay, other thing before we get to post type,

other than the ringer.com slash events for the live show. Brandon Iuk has requested a trade. I loved your, I loved your tweet hyvets. You quote, retweeted this and said like, had he not done this yet? It's like Shrek.

It's all my to do list. This was all for play before, I guess. I don't know. It's like deja vu all over again. It feels like he already did this, didn't he earlier? Literally one day after the Super Bowl,

Brandon Auk's brother put on his Instagram that his brother was going to get traded to the Raiders and he's out from the Niners. And I just can't believe he had gotten around to actually asking for a trade. I just, I feel like it's like the main storyline of the offseason. This kind of screams the scene from the office that I declare bankruptcy. That's not how it works. Yeah, it's not, it's not how you do it. He's like, no.

All this stuff around the Brandon Ayyuk thing right now is funny because I don't remember ever seeing multiple different players from different teams, like tweeting stuff about Brandon Ayyuk once a week. You know what I mean? like, I feel like, who was it on the commanders? Was Jaden Daniels? Because he's so old that he played with Brandon, Newt and Iook at Arizona State.

Jane Daniels was tweeting about it. I feel like there was another player. Well, they were FaceTime. Hey, and then first of all, Jayden Daniels was tweeting out like, or no, Brandon Ayuk for the Niners had Washington's plays. And I was like, is Jane Daniels? Oh, yeah.

Sending stuff from his team iPad to Brandon Ayuke. Like, what a rookie move? What are you doing? Slightly troublesome. Yeah. Yeah, Ryan Clark, the former safety for the Steelers, was like openly, like, advocating to Brandon Ayuk's face in an interview, like, please go to the Steelers. He's just doing like, yeah, just a tour, just like, where should I go? I love it.

The Iuke sweepstakes. Yeah, he's doing a recruitment tour. And then the 49ers are like, fuck you. We're not trading you. This is stupid. What are you doing? You're under contract. Real quick, I do think Brandon Ayuk is going to stay on the Niners for basically three

reasons. Number one, he didn't get traded by the draft. And generally, these guys are going to be traded either at the beginning of free agency, mid-March. That's when like Stefan Diggs got traded, DeAndre Hopkins got traded, or at the latest, usually the draft, AJ Brown got traded from the Titans,

the Eagles, the day of the draft. Because once you pass the draft, if you're going to trade away a 2025 pick, the Niners at that point are like, why don't we play the 20-24 season and then get the pick instead of just giving them away? It's like so much weirder for the Niners

to justify kneecapping their Super Bowl campaign, especially to Kyle Shannon who runs the team, really. It's like Kyle Shannon's brain, like, yeah, we're going to think about, the season after this season. It's like that's not how their brain works. And then two, the Niners get a lot of these deals done like late. Like I think Nick Bose's deal was done like one or two days before this season began.

The Niners, they have a really good cap guy. I apologize, forget his name, but he's been there forever. And they just really used week one as a deadline. And I just think it'll be done, but it will be like somewhere between July 30th and like Wednesday before the opening kickoff game. But I do think they're going to resign him to a deal because I think they're going to choose iuk over debo personally they probably should there's a lot of factors into why that makes the most sense deba bo's age his health risk i think that's probably smart move but yeah trading iuk

it's like we lost the super bowl in overtime last year we're not just going to trade you for a 2025 pick we're so close to winning the super bowl dude it's crazy how like a couple plays just changes with the entire trajectories of teams sometimes it's unbelievable not just that i don't like to think about that um i'm sorry why what do you why what are you referring to my bad i'm gonna see fan. So people can figure out what that means. The other thing hyphids that I was thinking about while you were talking, which I think you hit on perfectly is like deadlines per action. There's no deadlines right now. I don't understand why he chose this day of all days to announce he wants to trade. I guess he's trying

to create a little bit of leverage for himself. But I declare bankruptcy. I think he's like actually just offended at the offers he's saying. Yeah, it's definitely like 26 million, I guess. I think is what the number I saw reported. And that's like kind of what Devante Smith got. I think he's got a terrible deal. And he's like less than Jaylon Waddle. It's like not even close to a Monro, St. Brown. We'll see. But deadlines per action.

All right. So let's go into post type sleeper. Again, deadlines per action. The show we started recording one minute before the recording. Craig's like, what should we call this? Deadlines per action, baby.

What is a post type sleeper? So again, getting into the idea, don't worry about some of these guys are not sleepers, but it's really just the idea that these guys used to be cool and now you're not. Yeah. I want to start with, I'm serious. Kyle Pitts, tied in for the Falcons.

I'm sorry, human Instagram Thirstrap. And I'm going to make a bunch of excuses. But I'd like to start with this. You say human Instagram Thirstrap? Yeah, he's like a human Thirstrap. Well, they just take one look and you're like, oh. Thirst traps are humans. Yeah, well, shut, shut up, man.

He's a Thirst trap personified. Yeah, he's a Thirstrap. Sure, okay, all right, right. I get it. Fantasy Thirstrap. Yeah. I'm so old, like I said, human Instagram Thirstrap. Anyway, did you guys know there were three different players who went in the first round of this year's draft who are older than Kyle Pitts, including their first round alone of this year's draft?

Wow. Including Michael Pennick Jr., the Falcons pick this year is older than Kyle Pitts, who was the first round pick in 2021. Kyle Pitts is so young that Ricky Peresol, who is the first round pick for the 49ers, the receiver out of Florida, Kyle Pitts went to Florida. Kyle Pitts is so young that when he had a thousand yards How young is he? Oh yeah, good. Ricky Peresol. God damn it, D.K.

Ricky Peresol was even at Florida yet. Take my wife. Please. Take her. Wait, hold on. Piercell wasn't, Pierceall was at Arizona State. Ricky Peresol was still at Arizona State

and Kyle Pitts had a thousand yards in the NFL. He's 23. So... Let me tell you something, though. Kyle Pitts better be fucking good this year. I'm sick at the age thing The age thing is stupid Like Andrew Wiggins was like 22 years old

For the first, he was like on year six of his career And he was like 23 Guess what? He still wasn't good So I it's like you can only be bad for so long And still be young Wiggins so much for this guy No, I fucking love Wiggins But I'm saying him at an example of like

He came in the league at 18 And it was like year six and he was 24 And he was on his third team And people were like yeah but he's 24 It's like at a certain point you are who you are Well, then he won a title with you at like 25. It's the best player other than Steph Curry. Completely different, not related.

How is that unrelated? I don't understand. I feel like I don't. How is that unrelated? My point is that in the moment, the age issue, like, we can't just keep falling back on someone's age when they don't perform year after year. I agree. And Kyle Pitts is still too young in his career for that to be like the main argument.

I'm just saying if it's not this year, also football is different for basketball. If it's not this year, I'm like, okay, I might be out. I agree. I agree. And to be clear, every fiber of my being is like, don't kick this football, Charlie Brown. I'm like, really once again? Like, this whole Kyle Pitts this year is like sliding in the DMs, Saturday night, and then Sunday morning you're going to wake up and be like, that's so embarrassing that I did that.

Like the lowest form of convincing yourself is like, well, he's still 25. But there's other stuff, though, because at the end of the day, he had 1,000 yards as a rookie in 2021. And then he played with Marcus Mariotto, who fucking quit the team. And then he just left the team. And then you had Taylor Heineke and Desmond Ritter. Desmond Ritter was for my, like the worst quarterback with a coach, Arthur Smith, who didn't really want to throw the ball. Like we had that reader or listener who emailed in saying that like all, even when he was

in high school, they had no quarterback and they just wanted to run like 50 times a game. Oh, Arthur Smith. Oh, they want to stay championship that way. Yeah, for Arthur Smith. I believe there were 31st last year in completion. Yeah. So then you're looking like, all right, yes. Is Kyle Pitts been frustrating?

Yes. Does he need to do something? Having said that, if you look at Kirk Cousins, he's, the best quarterback Carl Pitts has ever played with in his entire life. Even with the Achilles injury, Kirk Cousins to Desmond Ritter is the biggest quarterback upgraded the entire year, unless you count like Aaron Rogers from Zach Wilson last year.

So better quarterback. Zach Robinson, the Rams offense over Arthur Smith, best passing game we've ever going to see in Atlanta. And Kyle Pitts had this MCL injury in 2022 that lingered in 2023 because it like affected him. He did not look like himself at all. He like could turn

left. He couldn't run. He looked like me when he was running. running. Like you just wake up, get out of bed and start running. You're like all stiff and can't really move that well. That's like how he looked running routes. I mean, he was going through it. He was running like Forrest Gump with the braces on his legs. If he still looks like that this year, we got to give up because the athleticism is gone. If he still looks good but then can't work with Kirk Cousins and it's a good team, maybe there's something wrong with whatever's going on there and maybe there's just something like he's not going to be a great player.

Maybe he will end up becoming a draft bus. But there is, I feel so dumb saying this. But there is still no player with more upside because if he ends up being a 1A, 1B receiver with Drake Lenin and Kyle Pitts and a Kirk Cousins, Rams offense, which is, again, how about all those things? Remember Kyle Shannon how badly he wanted Kirk Cousins to be the quarterback? Like, Kirk Cousins was, he throws, like 400 yards a game in Minnesota in those first five games last year. Like, like, the upside for Kyle Pitts is massive because he's going to be like borderline, like,

number two receiver in all of the league as a tight end. Did you hear that they're cross-training him as a receiver? He's like learning all the receiver routes and everything. Yeah. And so again, it's kind of like, again, I know that people are probably tired of hearing this, but I think the short answer is basically the only thing worse than being in and it kind of not being great again would be getting out. And then the stock just shoots up and you missed it. This reminds me of like people who are telling who will talk to like, you know the people that are trying to buy a house right now.

Obviously like the prices are through the roof. The interest rates are extremely high. but then you have, you know, people saying, oh, there's never, now it's the time to buy a house because it's never going to get any cheaper. It's only going to get more expensive. This is how I feel about Kyle Pitts.

I'm like, okay, but I just don't want to do it. I'd rather just, yeah. I'm unconvinced. I just, yeah, it's not, I just would rather rent, yeah. It's also like, it's not like he's like the biggest bargain. He's like the sixth tight end going off the board. Like, everyone's back in.

What's the cheap? It's still about the cheap. It's the same price he was last year with Arthur Smith and Desmond a writer, but now it's Kirk Cousins and Zach Robinson from the Rams. Like, he's going right around Anthony Richardson and Dress. Like, who would you rather have? Well, Anthony Richardson. I'm with you.

After all that. I think I'm with you. I think a lot of these bounceback candidates, it's hard not to buy in because, again, usually their price is so low. I think the one rare thing about Kyle Pitts being a post-type bounce-back candidate is like his value actually is not that deflated right now. Granted, I guess if he's great next year, maybe he'll be the top three tight enough. the more, but all these other guys we're going to get to, you can get them pretty cheap.

Kyle Pitts is priced, kind of not at his ceiling, but closer to it than a lot of these other guys. Yeah. It's his year. It's his year. With that said, dude, I'm in on Kyle Pitts. I do think it's going to be tough to get him in drafts. Like, everyone's going to be in. Real?

I mean, it's the other way around. Everyone's going to be out. Oh, I don't think so. Well, I guess it depends on, like, how, I would say the less, the more passionate fantasy fans, like the people really in the weeds are going to be very in. The more casual fans, I think will be out. Is it embarrassing at this point to take. outpits.

Yeah, I think so. I think it's mortified. You feel a little bit of shame doing it. Yeah, you feel weird. Yeah. You're an addict. It depends if you've had him before or not, because I think that he's been on at least three teams because somebody cut him at some point.

And so there are three people in the draft where like never again. Yeah, I don't know. I just feel like the Falcon type is huge this year. Kirk Cousins, like I just think everyone is completely back in on Atlanta, but I could be wrong. My post type sleeper, and to be honest, this is not the greatest sell. I'm not like gung ho about this guy. just think he is a nice, like, return on investment opportunity, and that's Naji Harris.

This is a CD, you know, just put your money in, you get it back in a little bit. How is a CD? Like, the investment CD, not like a compact CD. It's like they have, like, a steady rate of return, but it's not super high. Well, this is a real, like, pathetic. I don't know what a CD. That's fine. Whatever.

They're not really that big of a thing. Compact. I barely know what they are. A high interest savings account. Bond. Yeah. Yeah. A bond or a savings account?

Either. It's not a savings account. Why not? A CD is not a savings account. No, no, no. I said, fine. Replace it with a high interest savings account. Oh, sure, sure.

Regardless. Anyway, are you excited about Nazi Harris? I'm going to go move all my money around. The worst conversation we've ever had. Ciculator. What is a CD? It's like a bond. It's a certificate of deposit.

Oh, in a bond. You promise to get a certain amount of money back at an X amount of time. I believe it's like a bond. Maybe it is an account. I don't know. Semantics, whatever. Okay.

He's going to pay off for us. ADP. That's what we're saying. Okay. I said return on investment, which was like enough for all of us to understand and then for some reason we kept going further. Never acted in that.

I feel like with the Steelers this year, obviously Arthur Smith is the O.C. He is for, say what you want about him. The guy can dial up a run play. Atlanta, once again, say what you want about the, the running backs that he decided to give the ball to, they performed very well.

Alger and Bejohn were very good. I think they were like fourth and expected running back points last year in fantasy football. I just feel like all of the love is going to Jalen Warren. Yeah. No one cares about Najee. Everyone is all in on Jalen Warren is like the next Aston Eccler.

But I do think that there is an opportunity for both these guys to be like the next Jemir Gibbs, David Montgomery. But unfortunately, I think the jury is not out on Najee Harris. I think everyone is officially like, this guy's bad. and I get it because if you look at the numbers, he's actually had like the most steady, perfect decline.

Like his rookie year, he was the RB9, the next year, RB19, the next year, RB29. Like he's getting 10 spots worse every year exactly. What's his ADP right now? He's like going in the low 20s. But yeah, I guess he'll be the RB 39 if trends continue. But look, the Steelers declined his fifth year option, which makes sense.

So it's a contract season for Najee. New diet season, I don't know if you heard. He's eating obsessively clean. He's down seven pounds. Lighter than ever. Feeling great. Best shape of his life guy. You know, I actually think Noggi's the type of guy where when they, he was like

four net where like when they gave him 300 carries, it actually made him worse. I actually think Naji is better when he doesn't have a full workload. And although he was the worst in overall numbers last year, if you actually look like on a per rush basis, he was the best he's ever been. He was fifth in yards after contact. Like he was actually more spry. And I think he benefited from not getting 300 carries. And so look, the obviously.

Offensive line's better than it's going to be, better than it's ever been. They're investing a lot in it. He had a career high yards per carries last year. The guy is a good receiver, and Russell Wilson checks down more than anybody in the league. I saw some insane stat that Russell Wilson threw behind the line of scrimmage at the highest rate since 2005 last year. Yeah. So I actually think, look, do I think he's going to be like a top 10 running back? Probably not.

Do I think he could be like top 15, top 17? I do. I think this rushing attack is going to be really good. They're going to run the shit out of the ball. And I still think Najee is better than people think he is now at this point. I can't figure out the problem with the Steelers in my mind is because, is I want to read the tea leaves with Arthur Smith in terms of like who he's going to hate and who he's going to like not want to give the football to. Is it is it he's going to hate the former first round running back like huge name guy and decide to give the ball to Jalen Warren a lot?

Or is he going to hate the guy who's clearly clearly better? in Jalen Warren and give the ball Right. What clouds his judgment more? Pure talent or draft capital? I can't figure it out and therefore I can't tell.

It's probably going to be like 50-50. Let's be honest. And if it is, I think that's still fine. Right. I think the Russell Wilson point is a really, really salient one

just because that's now a big part of his game or at least it was last year where he's just checking it down, checking it down, checking it down. His rate of passing to running backs, I want to say it was the top in the NFL.

Did you say it was the most since, 2005. He threw behind the line of scrimmage at the highest rate of any quarterback since 2005. No wonder the Broncos took Bo Nicks. Jeez. But I think that also is the reason that the Steelers have Arthur Smith and paired with Russell Wilson because on the surface, there are a bad combo because Arthur Smith's offense targets the middle of the field a lot. And Russell Wilson does not.

But the flip side is Arthur Smith's offense also targeted running backs. I mean, Bijan Robinson, who we joked a lot about how the Steelers, or sorry, the Falcons didn't throw in the ball a lot last year. Or sorry, didn't give Bijon a lot of plays. Bejadne Robinson had 86 targets last year. So, like, they did involve the running backs in the passing game for Arthur Smith. Russell Wilson did that a lot in Denver. I think that that's actually more than anything,

probably the similarity in the style. So I agree. I think that Naji's just gross and everyone kind of knows that he's probably. I mean, even Pittsburgh, they know that he's not the guy anymore, like the fans, everyone knows. So I agree, Craig, that it's weird in a sense

that you could get a guy. It wouldn't be shocking at all if Naji had the best season of his growth statistically. Tomlin literally said that he liked the Russell Wilson Fields Arthur Smith combo because all of them have something to prove. and I think it's funny we joked about this when it happened but Arthur Smith's bit was like

not playing the best players and Mike Tomlin's whole thing is such a good bit I will play the best players like Antonio Brown could be having some tantrum on the sideline everyone's playing doesn't no one gets suspended no one gets anything and I do think Mike Tomah's going to make Arthur Smith play the good people

this bit was like not playing the good players It's a good bit. D.K., who's your post-type sleeper bounce-back guy that we'll have to forget the title this episode? I'm going to go with Mark Andrews that are Ravens, who, look, I understand. The only times I've ever mentioned Mark Andrews in the last, like, three years is in reference to his volleyball set into the stands on.

Wasn't that like five years ago? It should have been a touchdown. It was. At this point, yes. Which is why I think he's a good post-time sleeper. That was like eight years ago, asshole. What are you going to peer pants? Joe Flacco is still on the Ravens.

It's soccer, Greg. It's soccer. Calm down, Greg. It's soccer. So basically I'm acknowledging my bias here. I'm acknowledging that I got the ick and I probably shouldn't have. He's a really good player, clearly. So you're saying you've had the ick for four years?

Yes. Six. Okay. Six years. Four score. I don't remember, dude. It is truly like I can't get it out of my head. But this exercise, I think, is like the idea of,

removing that bias or the reason that you don't like this player and acknowledging that they have potential to be a good value. Look, last year, this is something that I was actually surprised to see. He played nine healthy games last year, weeks two through 10. He missed week one and then he got injured a week 11, I want to say. He averaged 12.2 points for game in those games. Guess what? Over a full season, that would have been the tight end one. Yeah, I just, that's so funny. So there you go. 23% target rate in those games, 13 red zone targets, which was best in stretch of games which he was playing. He's in the tight on one conversation this year.

I think, you know, obviously, maybe that was obvious to a lot of people, but since we talk about him in a negative light so much, I felt like it was, you know, professionally our responsibility to bring this up. Samuel Porter ran hot with touchdowns last year. He could fall off this year. Trey McBride, who was awesome in the second half of last season, now has to contend with Marvin Harrison who could steal a bunch of his targets this year. Kelsey, he's so old.

I mean, look at him. He's old. So Andrews could be the tight-ed one. I want to get it on the record that I acknowledge he's a good player. He's a superstar and fantasy. And I think because of some of the negative feelings, and I guess just the ascension of other Leporta McBride, you know, Kincade and Joku even,

like people are kind of just forgetting about Andrews. He's in that weird little like veteran zone that people don't really think about him that much. He's kind of in the Kittle zone where nobody thinks about him at every year he's a top five guy. But unlike Kittle, Mark Andrews is clearly the number one option on his team. And I think Kelsey is probably the only other. tight end that you can say that about.

It's because Mark Andrews has a boring name and he's unidentified. Kiddle is known for breaking tackles and his name's George Kittle. He's a tattooed. He's crazy. And yeah, his name's Mark Andrews. We're also, I think, collectively obsessed with trying to make Baltimore wide receivers a thing.

Yeah, they're fetch. Meanwhile, Mike Andrews I almost wanted to talk about Rashad Babin, but I was just like, no, I can't know. We're obsessed with that. We need a Baltimore wide receiver to be very good. I love this. I love this. I love this one a lot. I think Mark Andrews is perfect for this exercise. I think he doesn't inspire the

ick like Kyle Pitts does, but Mark Andrews is the epitome of like a forgotten player that has been pretty consistently a top two tight end whenever he's healthy. And you could make the case that he'll be better this year than last year because he could have been all boring team. He honestly probably should have been all boring team.

He's like a Glansberg. This means right into like what I'm thinking might be like a main strategy for me this year with my teams, is I feel like it's so easy to stack an elite quarterback with an elite tight end this year because you can get either Lamar Jackson with Mark Andrews. You could get Josh Allen with Dalton Kincaid. You can get Patrick Mahomes with Travis Kelsey.

I don't love Leporta with Gough because I think you'll have to pay a lot for Leporta and then also Goss fine. But I love those other ones. And the other one honestly that I love this year that also I think is post-type. You mentioned Trey McRye, DK for the Arizona Carls, Cardinals. Kyle Murray, I think, is such a post-hype guy because Kyler Murray is such a big deal. I mean, I always just

think about two things with Kyle Murray first, which is that he was like 40 and O in Texas high school football and won three championships, and also that he was drafted eighth in baseball and first in football. By the A's. Yeah. Which is just like... Are A's fans mad at Kyler? I don't think... Ace fans are mad for many reasons.

That's not even in the top 10. That's not even close. A's fans are like, I get it, dude. They won't pay anything. A's fans get it. Great story on the ringer about the A's, the revolt of the fans protesting to leave the city. But Kyler Marie, I'm not a huge fan of Kyler in real life as a franchise quarterback necessarily, like he's good enough

if you have to pay him and stuff. I think Kyler's like a crazy post-type sleeper for fantasy. He ran for 11 touchdowns in 2020. The Cardinals have their best offense this year since 2020. In 2020? Yeah. It's a long time ago. Yeah, yeah. Whatever. Whatever. Shut up, man. But like the before times.

Yeah. No, that was the times. That was the times. That was very much the time. What's the euphemism for that time? The COVID time? The pandemic. Pandemi. Pandemi Levato?

But the... Anyway, Marvin Harrison, Jr. at receiver, Trey McBride at Tide and Michael Wilson, Greg. Dorch. Actually, solid offensive line. It's not like elite, but it's also not bad. Many of teams have way worse offensive lines than Arizona. And then you have, they actually have a good, trendy offensive coordinator.

They're actually doing a lot of cutting edge stuff on offense. All the film nerds love the stuff Arizona's doing. And you all, you all. Also, the defense could be bad. So you mean a ton of shootouts. And I'm like, it's like such an easy team to stack. We kept talking about how the dolphins are like to pass it to the Italians team. You could have gotten Tyree Kill and Waddle.

And then like Moster and Devon, Achan, we're like free. And it's like so easy to get Trey McBride, Kyler Murray. You can get James Connor and Trey Benson wait later. And I wouldn't be shocked. Arizona had an incredible offense this year. And I just love. Are these the new dolphins? I kind of like this.

I don't know if they're the dolphins, but they don't have to be the dolphins. They don't have to be the dolphins. James Connor cannot be on. the new dolphin. No, that's true. No, he's definitely they're the slow porpoises. Yeah. I'm not saying they're going to play the dolphins scheme. What did we call the Rams, the porpoises? Because they're slow dolphins.

Slow dolphins. Yeah, the slow dolphins on the ramps. Yeah, the cats, the Cardinals. They're also porpoises. And, but anyway, I just think, but that's the way, I, just to tie the loop or close the loop, whatever the hell to D.K. I love the idea of Mark Andrews and Lamar, Kyler and Shrey McBride, Kelsey Mahomes. I think a lot of ways, a lot of those guys fit this bill. Kelsey's a post-tip sleeper all of his own probably. But I like the tight-in quarterback. Elite stack, elite tight end, get a running back receiver, and then you just, you know, you can do everything.

Running back to the receivers the rest of the way. Did you guys know that porpoises are not dolphins? They're actually closely, are more related to narwhals. Get the fuck out. And belugas. Is it a crazy narwhals are real? Yes, it honestly, I didn't think they are real because when I watched Elf growing up. Unicorn whale.

Thanks, Mr. Narwhal. Bye, buddy. Hope you find your dad. I was like, that's a made-up North Pole creature. Yeah. And then they were like, wrong. That's a unicorn that swims. And they're like, yep, real thing.

Calvin is obsessed with Marine life right now. He watches just a ton of really good, like kid shows. The Wildcrats. Here, here, I'll name it off for my parents out there. Wildcrats. Shit, one of the other ones he's watching right now. Leo, Euphoria. The, something Ranger.

Euphoria. The wire. You want to see some wildlife. I watched. one episode of that. Jackie was watching it. And I just turned like, literally the first scene. I'm like, I've heard the show's crazy. And it's Zendaya being forced to do fentanyl off a hunting knife.

It's like the first scene of Euphoria I ever saw. There's like, the kids are dating the parents. I'm like, this is not, what are we watching? This is not how. Is that California High School right there? It was not. Maybe parts. Maybe one guy.

I feel like Euphoria, the entire show is as if like the one crazy guy from your school was the entire high school. Anyway, octanauts is what I was trying to remember. Okay. Anyways, but Craig, when you said, did you know that porpoises? I was like that you sound like Calvin. He just tells me animal facts every single day. Well, hit him with that porpoise.

I'm going to ask him about that. He might knock his socks off. Oh, we also got an email. Shout out just all the monthly PSA to all the new parents out there. The Misty Mountains song from the Hobbit to calm down crying babies. shout out to, oh, I need to find this. Someone emailed in the best video I've ever seen of it. It is like a magic trick.

I actually shout out, Luke. I cannot believe how well. He sent a video of his baby crying and like wailing. And then they play the song and three seconds of the song and the baby just calms down. It's actually insane. I'm trying to tell you. Misty Mountains, baby.

I thought of a new name for Bounceback. Are we just doubling down? Is that kind of what we're doing? We're doubling down on Kyle Pitts. We're going to double down. on this guy, D.K's about to talk about. Maybe not all of these are double downs, but some of them are. What's the term?

What's the term for when you lose your bets on like the one o'clock games and then you kind of have to load up on Sunday of football? Well, that's the Martingale system in betting. It's when you lose, you just double your next bet. And then if you lose, you just double your next bet. And then eventually you will win one of them and get back to zero. That feels wrong. It's a real thing. Martin Gale system.

Is that what the, is that what gamblers tell themselves? It works 60% of the time every time. 60% would be great. Oh, my gosh. You should know. Have you guys not heard that strategy when you double up every time you lose? Disclay. I think I heard it and thought it was a joke.

Gambling advice from us or financial advice from us. No, take gambling. If you want to lose money, we're experts. Listen to us if you want to lose money. You know what that's called? Craig. It's called a CD. That's right.

It's double it, yeah. A safe return on investment. Other post type bounceback CD, Martin Dale guys. Are we doubling down on, I'm going to talk about DeAndre Swift, but I can't remember if I was in on DeAndre Swift last year or out.

But either way it kind of works. DeAndre Swift, sure, look. Is he on his third team before he turns 26? Yes. But let me throw three facts at you guys. Porpoises. By the way, I really like when explanations start with these rhetorical questions.

Does he suck? Possibly. Does every team get rid of his? immediately, yeah. However, will he help your team? Sure.

Probably not. Let me hit you with some knowledge. Okay. Number one, that sound like Joe Biden. Number one, Jalen Hertz

scored more rushing touchdowns than any quarterback in NFL history last year. Number two, only Joe Mixin was stopped at the one yard line and failed to score on that same drive more

than D' Andre's Swift last season. Oh, that's the worst. Yeah. How many times did Swift do it? Six. Six times. Six more touchdown. would have helped.

Correct. And also not Jalen Hertz would have helped as well. The guy probably have 12 touchdowns. And then number three, he was given a three-year $24 million contract, $15 million guaranteed. He's now the seventh highest paid running back in the league. Yeah, they give him a lot of money. Yeah.

The bears are wild, man. I'm just like, I don't know, mix that all together. If you look at the Eagles when they were not a dumpster fire last year, like the first 10 weeks the season when they were like 9-1, 9 and 2 before they collapsed, DeAndre Swift was like one of the best running backs in the league. He was top 15 guy. He looked fantastic. They were throwing him a lot.

And then the end of the season cratered. They started blitz in Jalen Hertz. Heardts. himself was injured. They stopped throwing a DeAndre Swift and they lost five of their last six games. Yeah. The Eagles, Hertz got the ankle injury. Everything started going real downhill.

And it's like Chicago, it's like you can kind of talk yourself into this. It's like we're talking about trying to find the next Texans, right? And it's like they are surrounding Caleb Williams with the best talent that rookie quarterback has had in over a decade. They have a really good, strong, young O line that's up and coming. And you can get right now DeAndre Swift 30 spots after Rashad White. You can get them 40 spots after James Cook. Like, is there really that big of a difference between James Cook and DeAndre Swift?

I agree with that. There's a lot of Swift hate that I don't really understand. I agree with everything you're saying. Can I throw one counter at you? Yeah. So last year, Deontius Swift wore number zero for the Eagles, which was- swaggy. Right now he's wearing number four?

I don't know how I feel about that Are there any other zeros At the running back position? Who are the most famous zeros right now in the NFL? Right now? Oh, great question. Players wearing zero in the NFL. To Google.

Tell me AI Google. Do you guys remember this random thought came to my mind, Craig, when you were talking about DeAndre Swift last year? Do you guys remember last year, week one, Kenneth Gainwell, got 14 carries and four catches. And DeAndre Swift played like,

a few snaps and everyone was like, what the fuck? And then the rest of the season, it was like, they just had like a mind. It was like they had a blank that he was even on the team. And then they're like, oh, shit, I guess we got to play him. You know, I don't know who made that decision. But then he was like their starter for the rest of the year. All right, two good zeros. So Brian Burns is going to do it for the Giants.

Shout out. And then also Calvin Ridley for the Titans, which I, when you've been suspended for a whole year, I feel like you can't do zero. I don't know why, but Calvin Ridley doesn't have the risk. You have to earn it. IMO. I think so. Also, number four is like,

Dak Prescott's four, right? Yeah. Isn't he? I'm so bad at numbers. Four is not a very, like, iconic. No, Dak is four. I think the Sean Watson's four. Yeah.

Like Reggie Bush is five, where it was five, and I feel like that made it a lot of guys five, but then four is just a weird number for running back. Hi Fitz, what was that study you told us about where there was those two words and you had to pick which one matched. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was like Blurbee and Flork or something. It was, no, those are the, those are the systems we use. in our internal Spotify. Those are our Spotify admin where you go book travel. People who work for big companies will get that. You didn't book your flight on poop?

No, that was for my insurance. Right. My travel is Gorby. Yeah, no, they do sound like that. This thing Craig's referencing is that it's like there was a study, two words. One is Abubo and the other was Kiki or something. and across every language, 94% of people were like,

if you're going to name like a circular blob, give it Abubo. And across every kind of language, 94% of people across the whole world. Because it's like the visual of the image needs to match the visual of the letters themselves. The thinking, no,

it's like the way that you say it. The way that it comes out of your lips. Your subconscious brain knows the shape that your mouth is making if you consciously are not aware of it. And so Abubo, your mouth is making a circle and they think that your brain thinks it just sounds.

right, whereas like Kiko, your mouth's flattening out. So like sharper objects will like get that name. But maybe there's something with numbers too where like the numbers need to look like sleek. But I can't tell. Is is like four not sexy because it's like sharp edges or should that make it sexier? Well, I still think that like one because you're an alpha or 11 make you look faster. Like I think Malik neighbors at LSU is weird because he were eight but he's fast. And I think he would have looked faster.

like Deshawn Jackson were a one, which made him look even faster. But like, you wear an eight and you look kind of slow. Like, everyone, everyone thinks T. Higgins is a tight end, right? When you're watching it, because it's out of your wearing like 85. I know. I'm trying to make up the sexiest numbers. Like, what is these sex? Is it one?

I think it's got to be one. Yeah. Yeah, it might be one. To more chase. Like, it's just, it's incredible. So I actually retract all of my love for DeAndi Shrip because he is number four. So we can cut this whole thing. All right, cool.

Kai, cut the whole thing. Wait, is anybody else, so you guys are like tentatively in on Swift? No, I like it. I think if you, look, to my earlier point, if you start with like, you know, if you can get like Breece Hall or, you know, A.J. Brown or something or Breece Hall and Garrett Wilson or whatever in your first couple rounds, maybe that's, maybe that's not doable. But like, if you just get a running back receiver and then you can get like stack, you know, Kelsey and Mahomes and you have a running back receiver, tight end quarterback to start,

if you're doing receiver, receiver, receiver, you come back around and DeAndre Swift. your second or your third running back, that's incredible to me. I like that a lot. I like Swift. I think there's a small chance he just turns into like Miles Sanders. That's derogatory.

That's parentheses derogatory. No, no, that was obvious. He meant it to be. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, obviously. That was his intent. Just in the way that, in the way I say that is like last year,

whatever it was, Miles Sanders got like this huge contract. He's going to be the starter. He's going to help elevate the offense for the Panthers. and then he was awful and Chuba Hubbard was the starter. To me, I'm like just in the back of my mind, that's my worry. Overall, though, Craig, I do think Swift is a good player. I think they have a vision for what they want him to be in this offense.

I think he can do that. He can execute that. So I'm not afraid of him from that point of view, but that's just in the back of my mind. Carolina was also the worst offense in the league with zero receivers and a terrible quarterback. Right. So hopefully none of those things are the case in Chicago. Yes. Shouldn't say terrible quarterback.

We don't know it with Bryce Young. Miles Sanders is 27, which is kind of nuts to think about it because I think about him like being spiritually 34. Speaking of running backs got paid, though, also kind of like the Miles Sanders of the southeast, which is Tony Pollard. We're back. Talk about doubling down. Yeah, no, I know. I know. We all talked him up last year.

And I was like, what about a broken leg? And then I was like, ah, it'll be fine. And you know what? This one's really simple. Similar to the two guys that kind of got paid real quickly in free agency were Deonogist's to the Bears, Tony Apollo to the Titans. And again, post type sleepers should make you cringe a little bit. Like Tony Apollo, you're like, oh, yeah, the guy that you guys told us the draft last year and

it sucked and ruined my season. Yes, that guy. And basically it's really simple. He broke his leg in January. And then we were like draft him in August. And that was stupid because he broke his leg. But guess what? Now he's healthy and he's going like 70 spots later than you took him last year,

but he's probably a better player. And that's it. Yeah, we told you to take him like fifth. Now he's like going 100th. Like 95th. And so, yeah, he's probably, this is just. Like, yeah, you know what, take the guy 95th now that he's actually healthy on the Tennessee Titans. That's honestly, it's that simple.

I think the Titans will be better than you think too on offense. Also take Taj and Spears. Yeah. You want people to take two Titans running backs? No. I do think Tony Pollard is like the, I think Paul is the definition of this exercise, which is, it just was a mistake to assume that it'll be fully healthy seven months after his broken leg. And now it's been much longer and it'll probably.

after the year after. A lot of these guys are, Hyvitz, all three of yours guys are. Kyle Pitts, all three of yours guys are, is what I just said. Kyle Pitts, Kyler, Tony Pollard all year after the year. That's actually true. It's basically like Kyle Pitts and MCL in 2022. People are like, why is it he explosive? Kyle Murray comes back mid-season ACL injury.

Why isn't he running as much? Like Tony Pollard broke his leg. And I'm like, they're healthy. Just-awkins razor. Yeah, just like to be, look, just because you're healthy enough to walk around and run, doesn't mean you're healthy enough to be a one-hundredth percentile elite athlete again. like you need more time.

And there's a reason a lot of these guys, like Sequin was the same thing. It was like he's not going to be healthy this year. And Javanti Williams, I think it's the same thing. We knew he wouldn't be himself last year. And then we're like, I don't like Javanti Williams

because he didn't look good last year. I'm like, we knew that he wouldn't look good. So I think that's generally... But we hoped he would look good. Well, that was dumb. It's a dumb hope. Stupid.

Hope is sometimes the worst thing. The worst of things. Every time we say Occam's razor, I know less and less about what it actually means. No one knows about Occam's right. Yeah. It loses all of me. Occam's Razor, you know.

Occam. You know? It's like when you say a word over and over and over until it loses all meaning. Like I had that once with the word licorice. I like had a mental breakdown about the word licorice like a year ago. Yeah. Licorish. Yeah.

Didn't we, wait, someone told us what the name of this was. Email sir in your fancy football. Yeah, there's a name for it. I get it Craig all the time with skirt. Skirt. Skirt. Skirt. Skirt.

Skirt. Skirt. Sirt. Truck. Truck. Truck. Truck. Truck at you?

Truck. I didn't you say a lot I say I say licorice all the time I was scrolling I was scrolling I was really scrolling Instagram like two hours ago

and it was some video of Gary V giving stocks that he's like bearish or bullish on but it was kind of funny because he just was bullish on like 11 in a row so he just said bullish

bullish bullish bullish bullish bullish bullish bullish and I'm like bullish bullish bullish bullish bullish bullish bullish bullish bullish

bullish the hard At the end, it's tough. It's really like a mental tongue twister. You can really get yourself all tied up. I mean, words are weird if you think about it. That's what we're saying. If it's, we all know you think that.

Oh, on that note, wait, we got an email from Mark. Craig. Mark you mark. Mark. Craig, can you finish this sentence? Uh-oh. Jack of all. Trades.

We got an email from a listener who suggested Craig had said Jack of all traits. I did. That was as a pun to talk about. what. Damn. I was hoping you got it like wrong, wrong. No, that was my joke. Didn't D.K. say like, nice one? Yeah, it was.

Jack of all trait, master of none. You did it intentionally. Damn. As like a way to. Well, welcome my life. For everyone's second guess is everything you say. Even my family. Damn, people are really on it.

Craig, speaking to that, we got another email. I saw this a couple weeks ago. I meant to bring it up. And I was thinking this too at the time and how I think it's a weird thing. But you said the word biopic, which is the technically correct way to say it, or at least it's how everyone says it in Hollywood, biopic, like the movie.

Even though biopic is like how you think it would be said, what's right? Because I know that people in Hollywood say biopic. It's biopic, but it should be biopic. Right. It's biopic because, like, I feel like it's just easier in Hollywood. Biography, picture, movie. Yeah, right.

But I remember having that thought, and then I saw an email, so I was like, oh, we got to bring that up. Dude, I even think the word movies, like, if you really think about it. A movie? Yeah, it's like this is what This is what Australians call. It's like, it's these moving images and they're like, oh, the images move.

So it's like movie, a movie. That's just the dumbest name of all time. I'd never thought about that until just now. Moving picture. Oh, it's a movie. That's the most like 120 years ago. It's a movie, ah? Yeah, right.

I got to say saying film. But then you feel pretentious. But film's dumb because it's not film anymore. True. Well, that's, well, then you're talking about football watching film. Well, draft guys, you got grinding tape. Grind in YouTube. You know why it's like, yeah, if someone said, yeah, I'm streaming video.

Like, that guy doesn't know dick about football, does he? Streaming video? I'm streaming my YouTube. I'm streaming my Gmail account. So like being like, I streamed all this video of Drake May. And I'm like, oh, so, you know? I feel like we just probably get back on track here. Oh, yeah.

Okay, anyway. So my post type guys, I agree, Craig, just to button that all up. all these guys that were hurt coming off injury last year that are undercounted, Kyler Murray, Kyle Pitts, Tony Pollard, and Giovante Williams, I think all of them are underpriced. I know none of those are going to be particularly titillating. They're really talented players, and I think that's fundamental of the bet. The upside of all of them is like really high.

Anyone else do you guys like for just post-type underrated people? Yeah, I got two guys. The first one we've talked about a little bit, but I just want to reiterate. First of all, Craig hates this man with a fiery passion I haven't ever seen before. It's the strongest hatred I've ever seen. Chris Godwin, the receiver for the Buccaneers. He was definitely very... Hate this man.

He was the nicest guy in the NFL, Chris Godwin. He was very disappointing last year. But I think a couple things... You can say that again. A couple things are going to be working in his favor of this season. Number one, there's a lot of talk this preseason from his coaches that he's going to be moving back into the slot, which is where he has traditionally done his best work. I think it fits his skill set, run off the catch, quick game, separation, all that stuff.

toughness. And I think that is going to dramatically increase his volume in the passing game. Number two, the big thing that I think people forget about is he was just fucking unlucky in the touchdown department last year.

He had 130 targets, went over 1,000 yards and scored two touchdowns. That's like unheard of. That's a Deontay Johnson bit. Yeah. According to fantasy points, Godwin's expected fantasy points per game in half BVR based on like his usage and the number of targets and where he was targeted,

all that stuff. was 13.6 points per game. He averaged 9.9 points per game. And for reference, if he would have averaged that expected fantasy points per game, 13.6, based on last year's scoring, he would have been the wide receiver 12. He was just really unlucky. He's going to score more touchdowns this year. It's almost, well, it's not guaranteed, but it's very likely he's going to positively regress

towards what he should be getting based on the number of targets and catches he made in yards. And by the way, I think he's going to get more volume just because he's in the slot. he's going to be a big time factor inside and that'll help with his volume. You know when you know you're wrong, but you're like, fuck it. I'm just going to stick. I'm just going to dig my feet in. I think I've told the story before, but one time in college, my friend and I got an argument, yeah, two in the morning.

And he said impotent. And I was like, you mean impotent? And he said, he had a split second decision right there. He's like, do I admit I was wrong? Take the small loss. Or do I take my fucking heels in and play for the win? And he said, it's like you're bluffing. He said, no, you can say it both ways.

And then I was like, yeah, maybe if you're British, which his father is British, but he doesn't have an accent. So it's like a whole thing. But anyway, I acknowledge everything you're saying about Chris Godwin going back, moving back into the slot. But my dad is British. I think it's all correct. I think it's all fair. I understand it. And yet still, I can't get there.

Yeah, that's fair. That's fine. I'm sure he'll be great. Also, all of his best games last year were after the fantasy playoffs started. So you got none of them because you definitely didn't make the playoffs with him. It's like you ever see Chris Godwin on his own. Not for me. He was the wide receiver 44 through the first 13 weeks of the season.

Look, I understand he was disappointing. No, I know. Look, I think he's a good player. Would he finish dead last? Yeah, yeah. Had a good day, though. Sometimes you go to a restaurant. You know, you go to a restaurant and you have like something in the menu that's just not good?

And it's like, all right, maybe that on off-nett or say. It's just like you sometimes just don't want to order that thing again, even at a different restaurant. You're just like, I'm out. You've been birthed. Oh, you have like a bad experience with a certain item, and that moves you off of it no matter where you are. I get that. It's like taste aversion. Like if you're a kid,

you get sick off something? Oh, if yes. I have that with cinnamon toast crunch, the cereal. Oh. I ate a bunch of it and then puked it up when I was like seven. And I have not been able to eat it since.

Like I literally get, it's revolting to smell when I smell it still. It's so interesting that that stuff can linger. I remember I got really sick off lasagna once and I didn't eat lasagna for like five years. No, me all this at ringer fantasy football at Gmail.com. If you either have a great story about taste aversion

or if you're like a doctor or something can tell us about taste aversion. version. I feel like the classic is everyone has the liquors they don't drink. Like, yeah. Yeah, we're not into vodka anymore. I know. A lot of people have those. Kai just texted us, I have a taste aversion to most things. No, Kai. You have to try stuff to have a taste aversion. You have an aversion in general. You have an aversion to try new things. Get in here, Kai. Hey, what's going on? Kai, what's that? How are you doing, Kai? How are you? I'm doing great. I just felt like we were on my food corner had to had to pipe up, say something about it. Kai, you having a taste aversion to everything implies that you've tried everything and hated all of it and will never go back.

I think seeing is kind of trying, you know, when you see. Seeing is believing. A certain type of food and you're just like that. Judging a book by its cover. Literally. Yeah. Judging a food by how it looks or how it smells. I think that's trying, honestly.

Kai is a food profiler. Wait. So hold on. Like obviously I guess this is super, super apparent. But you just think everything smells bad. Is that kind of the thing? Is that kind of the situation that we're having here? Everything stinks?

No, I don't think everything smells bad. I think, you know, I just, the certain times where I have tried things, I've been burned. And then I think that just translates to like. How hot? Are they too hot? No, the sweet tea was too spicy. For those of you who might be just joining us this summer, Kai, our producer here, has one of the more famously limited pallets in human history.

And we constantly try to get him to try new food. He doesn't eat anything. It's that of a six-year-old. The perfect, like, I guess example, the prototype for Kai's diet is that he likes to eat turkey sandwiches with dry bread and turkey. No condiments. I think this started by learning his Chipotle order

was white rice and chicken and nothing else. And Chipotle. And Pop-Tarts for breakfast. Like an ideal day is like Pop-Tarts for breakfast and then like a turkey sandwich, just the turkey. and just the white bread for lunch. And then just Chipotle with just white rice and chicken.

And then that's a great day of eating. White and beige morning to dusk. I just, oh my God, I can't get that. Just white and beige foods, baby. But look, we're getting somewhere with him. We've made some progress. We had Kai try mac and cheese. You were a little bit in bed.

Not for me. No, the first one, it was like the first bite. He was like, yeah, this is fine. I get it, I guess. And the second one, he's like, oh, I can't do this anymore. Yeah. Yeah, talk about doubling down. and then we went the other way for me.

I was like, no, never again. But the kiwi, the kiwi was okay. Oh, wow. Oh, that's the best part. You were like, we were talking about the things you eat, you're like chicken fingers, French fries, shrimp. Shrimp. Shrimp.

Shrimp. Shrimp. He's like foie gras. Yeah. What the fuck? I do hate salmon, though. Salmon is appalling to me. Salmon is appalling.

It's appalling. Kai, you're going to be joining us at the Seattle Live show. maybe we can just have some Seattle what gets you to try something on the stage. I'm down. Anything sweet? A lot of seafood in Seattle, Kai. Salmon.

It's appalling. I got to say, if you cook salmon in your house, you better prepare it to smell salmon for the next. It's like a fucking cigar. I know, smell that for the next four days. It is.

It is like a drink. Yeah, you smoke. Yeah, it's just getting the walls. All right. What were you saying, DK? We were talking about someone? I got the Jerry Judy post type

lifetime achievement award. Oh, I have a taste of version of Jerry Judy. What does he achieve? It's the lifetime more like the lifetime aggrievement award. He's like a participation. Yeah.

Hell of a pun. So about Jerry Judy. The top of the doc and below Jerry Judy just says fuck it. Truly like this is one where I'm just like look, it could happen.

I don't really know if I believe this or not because you know he's let us down in the past so many times he was a high first round draft pick with a ton of hype around him

and he just never really did. taken before Justin Jefferson. Yeah. And C.D. Lamb, I believe. Yeah, it's not great. And so, you know, obviously there's that attached to his name. And I think that kind of like, like you said, it gives people a revulsion. But, but if Jerry Judy and Amari Cooper are the two receivers in the Brown's two receiver sets,

which I think they probably will be, especially if you follow the money, Jerry Judy got a three-year deal. They not only traded for this man, but they gave him a three-year deal worth up to $58 million. Obviously, these contracts are always lying, but according to over the cap, I saw he has $41 million in guarantees. That's actually more money than that crazy Christian Kirk deal guaranteed. Do you remember how everyone was up in arms and it changed the entire NFL? It changed contract structures for receivers forever. Christian Kirk got this ridiculously huge deal.

Jerry Judy actually has more guaranteed money than Christian Kirk. And here is the most tepid way that I can explain why I chose to put Jerry Judy on this stock. Jerry Judah wasn't very good last year, but he really wasn't that bad either, if you look at some of the numbers. He was really good yards after the catch. He was six yards after the catch per reception, which was 11th best among all receivers,

21% explosive play rate, which is 24th, about the same as Jalen Waddle and Jalen Reed, Jaden Reed. And by the way, he graded out better, according to PFF, than any other Browns receiver not named Mari Cooper last year.

So I think this is the guy who's going to come in and be the number two receiver for the Browns. and assuming he plays more than 76% of the team snap plays, the pass plays, which was last year what he did for the Broncos, Sean Payton just doing his thing, rotating in Little Jordan Humphrey and Brandon Johnson to get their snaps. It was really important those guys got their snaps last year.

Jerry Judy, I'm just reading off all. I basically put together this pitch that I don't actually really believe, but there are some intriguing numbers from my point of view. He average 1.5, 1.6 yards per route, just below T. Higgins and Cortland Sutton, same as Zay Flowers, better than Tyler Lockett, Josh Downs, Adam Thielen,

Calvin Ridley, Terry McLaren, Garrett Wilson, Christian Watson, Jacobi Myers, Jordan Edison, Romeo Dubs, Gabe Dave. He averaged more yards per route run

than those guys. And he's now the wide receiver 60 on fantasy pros. I don't know if I believe this. More yards per route run, more yards per out run than Romeo Dubs, you say, huh?

Wow. Okay, look, Garrett Wilson, guy. You're playing with Zach Wilson and Tim Boyle. That's fair. I think this is the point of this exercise because when you say Jerry Judy on my team,

I literally like want to vomit. And I think that I hear you when you're like, should we reconsider this? It's like salmon is appalling. Jerry Judy is appalling. He is salmon. He's swimming upstream in fantasy. That's for sure. Craig, you're just nailing it with these puns.

I'm kind of on fire right now. Hyvitz is ignoring me. Jack of all traits. Come on, people. Come on. Do you know the real reason I'm out or I'm in on Jerry Judy this year is because it allows me to be completely out on Elijah Moore. Oh, I'm still very much in on Elijah Moore.

The Browns are like a fantasy football team. They're just collecting all this people that they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm out. I'm not doing this. That's fine. But it's smart. But it's smart. But it's smart.

I mean, what does he go? He's probably like going 150th overall. Like, you can get him for nothing. Jerry Judy is the guy that you draft with the idea that if he has a sick week one, he's on your team instead of on waivers. But you also are like going to cut him if he doesn't do anything. for a waiver week one too. 100%.

He's like a one week and then cut type of guy. He's going as the wide receiver 60 in drafts. Yeah, he's a trial. He's your trial. Yeah, he's got a one week contract in your team. All right, a couple emails. I thought this was perfect timing.

Last, we asked for people, we were talking about people you go to high school with and then you grow up and you're like, oh my God, like that person has this job now. Like that guy runs a hospital. Like, I remember when he did this. And I realize it's kind of the version of like post-type people.

like you're like oh I'm out of this guy and then later you're like damn like he does that now and so it's perfect so we got an email from Hunter Hunt Hunter Hunter Hunter Hunter writes in high school this one guy came to band class

high and from across the room he kept trying to throw a tangerine into the bell of a tuba right wow I love this guy which sounds awesome this guy also received a legendary detention for eating dirt during class Okay As like a as like a bit

I think because it's even better Because the way he phrased it is actually He was asked several times to stop But he would not stop eating dirt Like that was the detention He was also high in that class Yeah and he puts in parentheses as a senior Good Lord

It's funny to think it was like 18 able to vote eating dirt anyway. And then his parents were like, you're going to the army. Well, the same dude went to the merchant marine academy. There you go. Send him off on a ship in the middle of the ocean. He now deactivates undersea landmines for the Navy.

Wow. Holy shit. And he says, so literally he does the hurt locker, but in a scuba suit. Wow. Didn't know that job existed. I know. Right. There's no dirt underwater.

Mines? He deactivates mines in the ocean. I just pictured that they had dolphins doing that. Porpoises actually. Narwhals. Narwhals got those swords. Slow dolphins doing that. That's what the narwhals are.

That guy must get paid really well because I feel like those jobs in the military where you're diving really deep get paid really well. And also when you're putting out bombs, it's like extra hazard pay. Being on a submarine would be brutal. We did actually get an email from someone on an aircraft carrier whose name I will not say because they asked me not to say it but someone who had like three seconds of cell service because they were like near land for like 20 minutes and he downloaded as many of our shows as he could.

Nice. And I couldn't believe that like that was his one thing of contact was downloading our show and setting his fantasy lineups. He gets like 30 tax from his wife and he's just like, hold on, I'm downloading that away. Stop texting me, honey. It's the data. I need to know the week nine waiver.

I need all the data. Who do I add? Wait, he was on an aircraft carrier or suburb? Yes, so he set his lineups in advance and he was listening to our show. Who do I add? That's so funny. Oh, God. Are we back in on pits or not?

I need to know. Slip step! All right, email some more. I love those stories. If you have any other like I went to high school. I like to, I like the idea of people emailing in jobs that you had no idea existed. That's funny. Oh, yeah.

Oh, that's good. Jobs you didn't know existed. The most specific job you can take up. You know what my favorite job is that it existed? Hmm. The year is, there's, oh, there's an incredible article. I don't remember the name of the magazine. There is in the, in the Navy at the Naval. Ah.

Daniel. Playboy, no. Good articles. Good articles in Playboy. They have great interviews. They did. I don't think Maxon probably didn't. Why did Playboy have good articles?

I never understood that. Why? Why did they focus on that? But why? I think they just. had money to hire good interviewers, and that way you can get a celebrity name with the people? I don't know, actually.

It's a good question. How does advertising work? Dude, couldn't tell me. Like, imagine just being on a porn site now, and then there's also just like a really great think piece on the election. Oh, my God. And when you open it, it's our intro song.

There is no Venn diagram crossover to me there, but... Yeah, here's Alexis, Texas. Also, here's Thomas Friedman on Project 2025, like, side by side. It's pretty funny actually. I don't know. It's against the great question. I'm sure we'll get an email that there's like an answer.

I think they were trying to class it up a bit. You know, they were trying to mainstream it. So they were trying to go after people who wanted to look at naked women. And then they were also like, what if we go after people who are interested in smart journalism and get them addicted to the nudity?

I think it was like, how are married men going to be able to get this subscription? It's because they can tell their wives they read the articles. Well, I think they asked them about sex. And it was like, that's the appeal. I will say, D.K., it's like, you're finding Playboys in the woods. And he's like, oh, wow, look at this article on the Iran Contras.

Like, look, you know what I mean? Like, I don't, 12. Yeah, it's just like, I don't know. That's also Craig, porn. Like, Playboy is like barely porn. Let's be honest. Well, it was in the moment. Dude, we don't know what they.

I've never like seen a Playboy in the wild. Like, I don't know. There's no, there's no full penetration. I'll put it that way. Well, yeah, there's not people interacting. Isn't it solo shots? Yeah, I think so. I mean, I haven't looked at it lately, but in the woods it was.

It's individuals taking photos. In the woods. Literally in the wild. Oh, my God. All right. Yeah, email is about job. Oh, wait. Do you have anybody need to finish the story?

Do you guys even care? My brother and identification world just like, I'm out of this story. Can you stop? So the specific job. I forgot what how it started. I was starting a specific job. The Navy, I'm just kidding. Yeah.

The Navy has a master timekeeper. And there is a cesium. Adam clock at the Naval Observatory in D.C. That's where the vice president lives. And at the Naval Observatory, like, of all the things in the world that are wrong, one thing they got right are fucking time zones, that we all have like around the entire world.

We all can align on time and everything. It's kind of amazing. And there is actually a master timekeeper whose job is to maintain a cesium atom clock that in this clock, they use a cesium atom because of the rhythm of a CZium. I don't know what that is. What is the Cisium Adam? It means it's an atom of. You're

You don't know what that is What it means is that this clock Will lose one second I miss that day at class I guess It'll lose like one second Every 200,000 years So it's like the longest lasting possible clock And this guy's job

Is to literally keep the entire world On time Like it seems like he doesn't have to do a lot though If you're just like He just sit there and waiting the clock If it loses one second every How many thousands of years What the fuck is he doing?

Can he take a break and like go do something else? Is he having a part-time job? I don't know. I guess I never thought of that. He's just crushing pods. He's just blogging on the side. This guy's Spotify raps is probably nuts.

If this guy listened to the show, my life would be complete. Anyway, email us about random jobs you didn't know exist for ring or fancy football at Gmail.com. All right. We got another email here from John. John Jack. This is about Bill Belichick's girlfriend. We were talking about Bill Belichick's girlfriend and, you know, large 48-year age gap.

John wrote, Hall of Famer, Major League Baseball Hall of Famer Jimmy Fox, born in 1907, won back-to-back MVP awards in 1932 and 1933. And Jimmy Fox retired in 1945 shortly after the dropping

of the atomic bomb in World War II. Jimmy Fox is closer in age to Bill Belichick than Belichick's girlfriend. He was born in 1907? Yeah. He is closer in age to Bill Belichick. I mean, I guess I guess Pauliachic was born in the 50s, right? Yeah, 48 year gap.

And she was born in the 2000s? Wow. Jimmy Fox is like a guy I use an immaculate grid when I'm trying to get a really low number. That's insane. I guess she was born in the year 2000. Because he was born in 1952. These kind of facts always like astound me. It's like Joe Biden's grandpa was in the Civil War or something like that.

Yeah. That's probably true. actually might be. I don't know. Oh, my God. When was Biden born in the 40s? Hold on. I mean, Joe Biden was born in 42. He was born before the U.S. got into World War II.

I think. Well, I don't know. Maybe it's close. When did the U.S. officially get into World War II? About 41. But yeah, it's close. December 41. Anyway, Seesium. Seesium. Dude, I googled, I'm on the Wikipedia. for the cesium standard. I'm going to read you this sentence

and tell me if this makes any fucking sense. The cesium standard is a primary frequency standard in which the photon absorption by transitions between the two hyperfine ground states of cesium 133 atoms is used to control the output frequency.

That's the first sentence on Wikipedia. So it's like a bond. It's like a CD. Savings account. Yeah. How do we figure this fucking shit out? Dude, you ever just think about all the stuff

people figured out before you existed? like all this stuff people figured out about the world. Why can't we figure out what the whales are saying? Oh my God, dude. People are working on that. Dude, people are like, that's a huge thing.

They're using, oh, you know, okay, so there's humpback whales in the Pacific and they are using AI to decode humpback whale language. And there's this like ethical, weird thing going on the scientific community because they shouldn't be eavesdropping on them.

Fucking pita. Well, no, they're wondering, no, they're figuring out what to say. And they're like, well,

shit, what the fuck do we say to them? And they're like, nothing. That's what the thing is? People are like, what if you just leave the fucking whales alone? How about no? Why are you a crazy Dutch bastard? Why are we interested in what the whales are saying?

It was just an example. It's just like a old Brian Regan joke that he has. If you can contact it, if you can contact any species, what species is it? Dogs. I think dogs already know what they're thinking. 90% of having a dog is just. both sides watching each other go to the bathroom and being like, what are you eating?

I think I'm speaking to a pigeon and be like, hey, how do these carrier pigeon things work? How do you know where to go? How do you know where to go? No, you go to the pigeons. You're like, thank you for your service. I would salute them. Salute the pigeon. Craig, they would just, they would just give a lot.

They would like give a speech from Goodwill hunting where he's like, you know how so-and-so could just play? Well, for me, it's the same with math. I could always just play. That's what they're going to say. That's what the pigeon will say. You know, maybe they should get James Cameron involved in this Maybe he would donate because in Avatar 2, a major plot line is these whales and how they're

smarter than the humans and they communicate with them. That movie was sick. Avatars are good. Everyone needs to fucking relax. Here's my thing with Avatar. If you haven't seen the second one. Everybody hates Avatar and yet every year they make $2 billion that they come out. Everyone, if you haven't seen Avatar, they're going to do a third and a fourth, right?

Here's my take an avatar. I think even a fifth. If I told you there was like a local art exhibit. Really? That like James Cameron spent like 14 years doing it. I don't know. It's like, it's not a movie. It's like you have to see it in a theater.

And it's like, he spent 14 years doing it. This guy did Titanic and all this stuff. And he's like, I want to spend a decade and a half of my life on this. And I'm like, it's worth this 16 bucks. It's like the definition of a theatrical experience. Yeah. Yeah, I just honestly also, I'm just going to say it. I fucking cried.

I cried during Avatar team. It's good. It's really good. Everyone's like, the story's an original. And I'm like, there's like seven stories in the world that people just reused in different ways. Who is an original story? Seven stories. There are.

So I didn't realize we were going to get into Avatar defense. I like Avatar. I didn't see the second one. I'll be honest. I need to see it. Oh. It's good. Also, what's also great about Avatar 2 is it's basically at its core a pre-cell phone movie because a lot of it's like, where'd the kids go?

They were playing in the cul-de-sack and now they're gone. And it's just like at the end of the day, like, if they had, you know, if they just had phone, it'd be like way easier. I mean, look, the movie's like 40 minutes too long because it's, but it's just James Cameron flexing being like, look at these people swimming underwater in an. And like with neon glowing plants. Like how fucking cool is this that I can do this? Like that's all he's doing. Also, I mean, there's like 40 minutes of kids just hanging out like swimming in the water that doesn't need to be in the movie.

But it's just gorgeous to look at it. It's like planet earth. The only thing I ever think about when I think about Avatar is that this SNL skit where he's like. A papyrus. That's the funniest thing. The title. The official like movie poster of the font. The largest movie.

He just wrote Avatar, clicked, and scrolled down to Papyrus. Dude, whatever S&L writer was just, like, bored one day and noticed that? Oh, my God. It's a genius. So fucking good. Right. Like, wait, he's making another one. He, like, flips the table.

Yeah, they did a follow-up. And because Avatar, they just, they bold it. They just bold Avatar. We could do this, Craig. We can work in marketing. That's how advertising works. Speaking of James Cameron, did you ever see The Abyss?

The Abyss. Really good movie. I actually have not. Craig. Go check it out. We just did the rewatch of us on True Lies, which is a truly insane movie, ridiculous film.

But I recommend it. Really entertaining. Bill Paxton, all-time heater of some lines. All-time, Dionne Waiters, Bill Paxton. Just watch that 10-minute scene. You don't have to watch the rest of the movie. Just watch that scene. She could.

Stard a leaf blower. Ass like a 10-year-old boy. That's a quote. What does he mean? What is that? What the fuck is he talking about? Oh my God. Legs that'll make you want to beg for buttermilk.

He'll just say anything. Oh, that's really good. All right. We should probably get out of here. All right. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kai, for producing this episode. Thank you, everyone for listening.

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