The Ringer NFL Show - Championship Murderers, Fantasy Randomness, and Sneaky MVPs

Episode Date: January 3, 2023

We recap Week 17 and highlight the players that murdered your championship, led by Justin Jefferson, Trevor Lawrence, and DK Metcalf. We then discuss the players like Mike Evans who randomly blew up t...his week, Tom Brady’s huge day, winners of the season, and the sneaky over-performers. We then add our final player this year to the Ringer Fantasy Burn Book. Email us! ringerfantasyfootball@gmail.com. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Jessie Lopez Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:22 To the Ringer Fantasy Football Show, my name is Danny Hyphitz. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Coralbeck. Happy New Year. I hope Larry David doesn't yell at me for saying that already. but we're doing our sunny recap show on Monday. It is what it is. We're going to go through all our awards. Championship week.
Starting point is 00:00:55 Oh, what a week it was. Yeah. Up is down, left is right. Craig, how are you feeling? I don't think I've seen a championship week with lower scores across the board than this week in fantasy football. Like every friend's league I see online,
Starting point is 00:01:07 every league I'm in, like the championship is like 80 to 90. Like everything is just wonky this week. But I wanted to point out, I wanted to start today on a negative note. I feel like we've done that for the past three weeks. weeks and I wanted to continue that tradition. We've been doing the fantasy murderers.
Starting point is 00:01:22 And, you know, to round out the season, I wanted to do the championship serial killer starting lineup. I wanted to go through the lineup you could have had this week, Phil the Stars, that absolutely ripped the rug out from under you. So I wanted to talk about a particular lineup here. I'm going to read it. This is a super flex lineup that is a super reasonable, real lineup of starters who have been good for you all season.
Starting point is 00:01:42 This could be a championship roster. Yes, very likely could be a championship roster. Kurt Cousins, Justin Jefferson, D.K. Metcalfe, and Christian Kirk are your receivers. Your running backs for Saquan and Dalvin Cook. Your tight end is Evan Ingram. Your flex, your super flex, Trevor Lawrence. The last three weeks, weeks 14, 15, and 16, that lineup averaged 150 points per week. This week, championship week, that lineup, so again, last three weeks combined, on average, 150 points.
Starting point is 00:02:13 This week, that exact lineup, 37 total points. Someone email us if you had this exact lineup, because this is an all-timer. I mean, this is a lineup with Justin Jefferson and Kirk Cousins who have been the number one wide receiver and the number one quarterback in fantasy the last three weeks. Sequin Barclay, who's been putting up 20 points a game
Starting point is 00:02:33 for the last week. Evan Ingram, who's been a top three tight end over the last month. Trevor Lawrence, who has turned into a fantasy superstar over the last month. All of them completely shit the bed. Oh. man. Yeah, I was complaining
Starting point is 00:02:49 to Hyphitz yesterday about D.K.K. Metcalfe and Tyler Lockett and at one point in the game the running back was hurt Kenny Walker and Hyphitz is like, your team's winning. I'm like, well, my fantasy team sure shit ain't right now. It's freaking depressing. There's two games that really stood out, I feel like.
Starting point is 00:03:07 It's the Vikings Packers game and then the Jags Texans. I actually don't know which one's more demoralizing. It actually might be the Jags game because they were playing the Texans. They're like 28 to nothing when Lawrence went out. Right. Like if you,
Starting point is 00:03:20 if you logged on to like ESPN app, you know, at halftime, and you're like, you have Trevor Lawrence and Christian Kirk, or Evan Ingram, and you're like,
Starting point is 00:03:26 oh, great. Like the Jaggs are up 21-0 and you check in Trevor Lawrence has 40 yards passing, no touchdowns. The only person on the team doing anything is Travis ETIN. I would like to point out
Starting point is 00:03:36 that Trevor Lawrence was outscored by like three backup quarterbacks who entered in the middle of their games. Like Sam Ellinger had more points than Trevor Lawrence. He entered in like halftime. Freaking, uh,
Starting point is 00:03:46 Nick Mullins came in for like the final five minutes of the game when the Vikings were down 40 points and he had more points in those five minutes than Trevor Lloyd's did in the entire time. I couldn't have told you what team Nick Mullins was on before this week. But with all that though, I think Justin Jefferson and the Vikings were more disappointing because Justin Jefferson, they need,
Starting point is 00:04:05 first of all, when the Vikings fall behind, like this isn't random. This happened three weeks ago. I think Kirk Cousins had like negative points when they went down 33 to nothing against the cults. Kirk Cousins had like negative points in the first half. He finished with like 30, like the second half. You're like, all right, Vikings are down.
Starting point is 00:04:19 He's going to pass it done. That was the worst game of Justin Jefferson's career. Like fantasy, you probably took him in the first round. If you listen to us, you had him as the first wide receiver off the board. And he got you to your championship. He's literally the wide receiver won. He's leading yet to fall in yards. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:32 He literally has, I looked, he has not had one catch in a game since 2018, one of his first games at LSU. That is the last time. He had one catch for 50 yards. And then Craig almost understood. D.K. Metcalf had one catch for like three yards. It was his worst game of the season. There was three guys on that lineup that I just listed
Starting point is 00:04:48 had their worst game of the entire year. D.K. Metcap, Dalvin Cook, Trevor Lawrence, had the worst games of their entire season. Saquan, second worst game of the season. Dalvin Cook, third worst game of the season. It was a disaster. It was a disaster. And you know what?
Starting point is 00:05:03 Having Kirk Cousins on a fantasy team, which I did, you know, I was in three leagues this year. The one I probably paid attention to the least was the one I ended up in the championship in, which is hilarious. Of course. But Kirk Cousins was my quarterback in that league. And luckily throughout the year,
Starting point is 00:05:16 because of my other leagues, I didn't really have to ever focus on Kirk Cousins. I could always watch my other quarterbacks. I could watch Joe Burrow or whoever. Having only Kirk Cousins this week, you realize what you really feel about a quarterback when you have to watch him and root for them. Do you hate him?
Starting point is 00:05:31 Kirk putting up 25 a game the last three weeks meant nothing to me. The second this game began, I was like, man, I'm so screwed. Kirk's terrible. Well, you know why? This was basically a national game, because you've ever seen those maps of where local television, which markets have the games,
Starting point is 00:05:45 I've never seen this before. There's like 100 markets that they divide the NFL into. 98 out of 100 markets carried Vikings Packers at 4 o'clock Eastern over rims charges. Literally, L.A. and San Diego had the charges in the rims. The other 98 had Vikings backers. So it was, in fact, prime time for Kirk Couss. But here's the thing. I would like to actually give the Vikings the George Santos Award, which is a new award we're doing here.
Starting point is 00:06:11 The George Santos Award for serial lying on their residence. it may because the Vikings are i mean they lost this game 41 to 17 it was 41 to 3 with like nine minutes left they were uncompetitive if you will high fits oh yeah the Vikings are not 12 and 4 at a point differential of negative 19 they have been outscored by 19 points that's amazing and they are 12 and 4 and so basically by Pythagorean expectation which is very fancy math that books use to like set wind totals and actually tells you their Vikings are literally the lucky team of all time. Literally number one luckiest team in terms of like how they performed versus what their record is. And so I think they did not, the Vikings did in fact not graduate
Starting point is 00:06:54 from college. The Vikings never worked at Goldman Sachs. The Vikings are not putting out statements clarifying that they meant they were Jew-ish. And so I just think that they were serial liars throughout the entire season. So George Santos Award. All four of their losses this year have been absolutely just annihilation blowouts. And then all their wins have been one-score games. Yeah, I mean, it's looking like the Vikings could face the Giants week one in the playoffs, which we kind of always joked. It was like the fraud game, but the Giants are no longer frauds, and the Vikings are even more frauds. So I've been saying I can't wait to empty my bank account on whoever the Vikings play,
Starting point is 00:07:29 and I wish it wasn't the Giants, but I'm going to have to do it. I am thrilled. You know, if we can go out of order here for a moment, if you'll indulge me, the New York Football Giants. Sure. One of the winners of the week. DK reminded me of how the Giants smacked the cults. And it reminded me, D.K., of what you talk about when you talked about watching that Broncos Seahawks Super Bowl, where the first snap of the game goes over, Manning's head, 41 to 8 or whatever.
Starting point is 00:07:52 And it's like, there's something beautiful when your team plays a perfect, stress-free football game. You can actually enjoy it. Yeah, you're not sweating every snap. The Giants beating Washington two weeks ago was their most important win in a very long time. This was the Giants' best win in years. It was incredible. They clinched the thing. And, like, honestly, I feel really good about them playing the Vikings.
Starting point is 00:08:14 I feel great about this. And the irony is that for weeks, Giants fans have been like, if the Eagles just clinched that number one seed in the last game of the season, then, like, they could bench their starters, Giants will be able to win. And that was the opposite.
Starting point is 00:08:24 Giants are clinched. They could bench their starters and the Eagles needed win the game. It's like, this is crazy. The Giants kind of gave themselves a bye week if they want one. It's crazy. I'm thrilled.
Starting point is 00:08:31 You are a Ryan cloud, what's like cloud nine? Is that it? You're on Cloud 9 right now. Let's zoom out a little bit. There was reports this week, and forgive me, I don't remember who it came from,
Starting point is 00:08:41 but the Giants are going to look to re-sign Sequin and Daniel Jones this off-season, how does that make you feel in the afterglow of this game? I don't know what that means because, honestly, sometimes front office will leak that. Yeah, well, sometimes front office leak that stuff so the player looks bad if they don't play ball,
Starting point is 00:08:59 basically, you know what I mean? So I don't necessarily think that that means they'll sign back. However, dude, Daniel Jones got a standing ovation leaving this game. He looks really good. I can't tell you. He looks really good. I have not, I can't remember quite rooting for a play. in any sport that took me on the journey that Daniel Jones has.
Starting point is 00:09:17 But it is, I would say in just a couple months, it's gone from, I don't want to resign him to, I think they have to, to I think they should, to now it's like, yeah, they obvious have to bring this guy back. For better or for worse, he's the heart and soul of the team. And I will say, that's so weird to think about the heart and soul of the team, the guy who shows zero emotion ever. Well, that's, but he is, though. You know what the irony was the whole year, what did we say?
Starting point is 00:09:40 Brian Dable will try to do with Daniel Jones with Josh Allen. And the whole thing is, well, he's not Josh Allen, but he has been in that, you know what? Everyone thought he sucks and he's better than he thought. He's not Josh Allen and he's not ever going to win MVP. Yeah. He's just, first, also Brian Dable,
Starting point is 00:09:55 I've got to send you guys this picture. I want, have you seen Brian Dable with this goatee? Is there ever in NFL history, has there ever been a head coach who looked more like a fan who just wandered in from the tailgate than Brian Dable?
Starting point is 00:10:10 in your life. Have you seen him? Google Brian Dave with this goatee. He just looks like a Giants fan who is grilling sausages in the parking lot and somehow wandered under the field. Just in a giant windbreaker,
Starting point is 00:10:22 big ass beanie. It's ridiculous. Oh, wow. And he's not getting rid of the goatee till we lose. His whole head is just like extremely round. His head's a circle.
Starting point is 00:10:33 I can't believe the Giants are doing this with the receivers they have. I can't remember the worst receiving corps making the playoffs. Isaiah Hodgens might actually be good. It took me three months to figure out
Starting point is 00:10:43 what the right metaphor is for this Giants team, but it's, it's, it's kind of like they have to make dinner every night, but like they don't actually have any ingredients. So it's like, okay, Trader Joe's Frozen Meal one day. And then it's like, okay, you know, I can just kind of, you know, maybe like the Whole Foods hot bar one day.
Starting point is 00:11:01 And then like, oh, these microwavable from the frozen things. It's like Brian DeBall is on the show chopped, but for football? Yes. Yeah. And they're like, all right, you have to make the playoffs with Isaiah Hodgins, Daniel Jones,
Starting point is 00:11:11 Richie James, and Daniel Bellinger. Yeah, she gave this Michelin Star chef, but it's just like go to the frozen at Trader Joseph.
Starting point is 00:11:19 You're like, Jesus Christ, quail it? I'm not going to do this. It's unbelievable. Put it in the air fire. Also, I will say,
Starting point is 00:11:28 the Cave on Tibito, Snow Angel by Nick Foles. Tough luck. Riving body was awful. I don't really. I believe that he doesn't, he didn't realize that. He didn't realize it.
Starting point is 00:11:37 You can see, like, his vision never got, his, never saw Mick Fulz. Nick Fulz is just writhing. I'm not laughing about that, but just the optics of this were very tough.
Starting point is 00:11:47 It was objectively funny to see someone like convulsing next to a guy doing Snow Angels on the ground. I hope everyone's healthy. With that said, it was hilarious. All right. Giants are incredible. One random note about this.
Starting point is 00:12:01 I saw this with the Giants making it. Now, the NFL has gone 33 straight seasons with four new teams making the playoffs every year. Love that parody. It's all made up. Plains don't matter. And one of those teams that clinched,
Starting point is 00:12:14 repeat, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And do you know how many people were facing down the toilet bowl, maybe last place in their league, and Mike Evans was there to save them? Because I assume zero people
Starting point is 00:12:25 won their championship if you had Mike Evans got there, but in the end, he saved you with one of the best week 17 performances from a receiver. I was in a final this week. I have Mike Evans on my team. I benched him.
Starting point is 00:12:37 And now I'm probably going to lose this fucking finals. because Mike Evans, who didn't do anything for me on the way there, scored 48 points. Seeing 48 points on your bench, there's not much worse than that. And then obviously, of course, Ty O'Lock goes out there.
Starting point is 00:12:51 That's more than the team, Craig. 48 points is more than the team Craig outlined at the beginning of the show. Yes. Which was practically my dynasty championship team. Oh, my God. So that's more than Kirk, Trevor Lawrence, Justin Jefferson, D.K. McEff, Christian Kurt, Sequin, Dau, Davel Cook, Evan Engel combined.
Starting point is 00:13:05 That's like 10 fewer points, actually, just Mike Evans. So, while we're on the, Wait, hold on. If my rough math is correct, Mike Evans, 43 points on week 17, is more than he had in weeks nine through 16 combined. Yeah. This makes sense, though,
Starting point is 00:13:22 because if you've been watching the books, though, there have been so many just shots from Brady, 40 or 50 yards down field that for whatever reason, he was flagged for defensive pass interference or overthrown. And they just all hit this week. Yeah. Regression, slant, like, freight train. right into us here.
Starting point is 00:13:41 So Mike Evans this year, weeks 1 through 16, three touchdowns. Week 17, three touchdowns. Mike Evans, points per game in the fantasy play. So it was 14 through 16 in the fantasy playoffs. He was averaging 9.2 points per game before today,
Starting point is 00:13:55 which was 46. He was the 46th receiver in points per game during the fantasy playoffs before today, or before Sunday. And then he scored 48 points. Tom Brady's longest touchdown pass all season was 31 yards before today. he had three to Mike Evans today,
Starting point is 00:14:12 63 yards, 57 yards, and 30 yards. He had one touchdown pass of more than 20 plus yards all season before Sunday. And then he had three to fucking Mike Evans in this game. Can we just talk about Tom Brady now? Let's talk about Tom Brady now. Tom Brady, what's the stepbrothers quote? Dad, I'm doing this because I love you. Fuck you.
Starting point is 00:14:32 Tom Brady waits until week 17, a time when no one who drafted him is still alive in fantasy. It was like a ninth plane. to look like Finnitch Brady again. He had 400 yards, three touchdowns. He added a rushing touchdown
Starting point is 00:14:44 just to fucking twist the knife. Quarterback won on the day. You know what's funny about that is the rushing touchdown. It was like originally a four net touchdown. Yeah, I know. And then they just zoom in to the 1,000th pixel and figure out that he actually wasn't in. And of course, Brady comes in, punches in a QB sneak.
Starting point is 00:15:00 He looked great, Tom Brady. This is what I drafted him for, unfortunately. We used to have that award. This is why I drafted you award. Well, I guess he wanted to wait, let all the doubters die, and then show up in week 17 and just rip your soul out, be the number one quarterback of the day. Never again.
Starting point is 00:15:16 I don't care what team he's on next year. I don't care if he's on the fucking 49ers. I'm not doing it. Craig hates Tom Brady so much. He was texting us during the day yesterday, just like, fuck Tom Brady. The dude put up 14 fantasy points a game for 16 weeks. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:15:33 It did feel like they got their mojo back, though. Like, this makes me actually believe in the buck ears a little bit going into the playoffs. Yo, I got to tell you, everyone's desire to just write off the Buccaneers, I kind of think it's incredible that they genuinely, now Tom Brady is genuinely has the nobody believes in this thing for the playoffs because how many consecutive, how many consecutive games have the Bucs looked awful when Brady just brought them back by the skin of his teeth? Like, right?
Starting point is 00:15:59 I mean, they did it basically in prime time and back-to-back weeks, right? Yeah. What was the Colts game? I can't even remember. Yeah, the Colts game where it was like 17. He did it twice in a row. It's almost like they're getting, they're in mid-season form.
Starting point is 00:16:11 They're in mid-playoff run form. They've already had six-comeback. It feels like six-comeback wins in the last seven weeks. Yeah, he came back. Remember, he beat the Saints and then he did it against the Cardinals. So, you know what's so funny
Starting point is 00:16:20 after this whole season, we've just been like Brady Rogers, I don't know. If the Packers make the playoffs, and the Packers just rock the Vikings. Now it's just Brady and Rogers in the plus, who wants to play them? And no matter what the NFC playoff matchups
Starting point is 00:16:31 end up being, if Giants Vikings seems mostly locked in, whether it's count, I mean, whether it ends up being Cowboys Packers, that is delicious. Cowboys' bucks is delicious because that was week one. And then with those bucks, whatever ends up happening,
Starting point is 00:16:45 these matches are incredible in the NFC. If you had to rank the NFC playoff teams in terms of confidence, just straight up confidence scale. I think Eagles and Niners are my top two. Yeah. And then you could make a legitimate case that it then goes to the Packers and the Bucks after that.
Starting point is 00:17:01 Not the Cowboys? I mean, I don't know, man. If it was just straight up bucks cowboys and your gun is to your head, What are you picking? Right. Brady, Brady. No, I'm serious, Brady.
Starting point is 00:17:11 Dude, I'm not picking. This is such a good example of Brady. This is, to me, the perfect encapsulation of the, like, the term and the expression, it's a long season. Like, it's a long season. We had completely written off the Packers. I believe they were 4'8 at one, at one point. The Buccaneers looked like garbage. I don't think we wrote them off because they were in such a terrible division, but, like, still, we were just like, they look terrible.
Starting point is 00:17:35 This is like Brady, we're already talking about where Brady's going to go next year. You know what I mean? And then these teams could sneak in and make some real noise in the playoffs. Like the Packers' defense is playing well now. You know, they got Jayara Alexander out there shutting down Justin Jefferson. I don't know, man. Long season. I mean, we vowed not that long ago that we would never doubt Tom Brady again.
Starting point is 00:17:57 And I'm just saying, like, I think it's incredible. You have to renew those vows a lot. At some point, these guys just do what they've been known for. Aaron Rogers, I feel like his thing is starting. terribly. And then just December happens. And then you're like, oh, they're in the playoffs and they look great. And this was the year, yeah, but not this year. And it just
Starting point is 00:18:14 happened again. And Brady again, wow, they look terrible. And it's like, okay, cool. He's just had low key five of the bucks wins. The final five minutes have been some of the best football in any other quarterback's career have just been like what Brady's been orchestrating. We barely care. So I don't know. The NFC playoffs, you go back four months to where we were with like the AFC being better.
Starting point is 00:18:31 And suddenly it's like the NFC playoffs to me are like so much more interesting. The AFC is like, three teams I want to watch and then just other teams. And then the NFC, they're all interesting. Speaking of which, there are so many people to shout out, but I do want to think a big loser this week is Derek Carr. Yeah, that's tough. Remember, like, very, not that long ago when we were like, oh, my God, you don't have to play
Starting point is 00:18:52 Josh Jacobs and Devante Adams. Oh, no. Against the best defense in the NFL. First of all, how happy you must have you have been if you had the Niners defense against the guy making his first career start. And it turns out, I can't, I mean. Jared Stidham basically was it was like a Peyton Manning Brady matchup. He had 365 yards, three touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:19:13 The only two quarterbacks to throw for three touchdowns against San Francisco this season are Patrick Mahomes and Jared Stidham. And after the entire season, Derek Carr had not had 310 yards in a single game. Jared Stidham goes out at his first first start against the best defense in football and he gets 365 yards. Best defense, by the way, which was pretty healthy. Dregg Greenlaw got hurt during the game but for the most part they had like their guys This was not like a fluke I mean it probably was a fluke
Starting point is 00:19:41 But like it wasn't like they were just really Really banged up or whatever you know what I mean I want to say they had over 500 yards in this game They had exactly 500 yards of offense This is why football is great This is why football is just the best You could take the top 10 smartest NFL minds analysts in the world
Starting point is 00:19:56 And have them preview this Niners Raiders game And not one of them Could have even fathomed this happening Oh, man. There are Black Swan events every season. There's always like, honestly, there's one a month where it's, you know, I remember saying, not to tip my own horn, but like, people were asking like, well, the Eagles go undefeated. I'm like, this happens every year where the undefeated team always loses the dumbest game
Starting point is 00:20:22 left on their schedule. Always. Yeah. And then they, and it's like that's like the Washington being Philadelphia at the time was unfathomable. This game. But there's always like six things that were unfathomable every season. The Texans. going with the Cowboys and Chiefs at overtime.
Starting point is 00:20:35 Two weeks. Should that be Jared Stidham's nickname? In Vegas, the Black Swan? Ooh. That's actually pretty good. Here's a couple notes. Number one, the Raiders did lose the game. I want to give a shout out to the 49ers.
Starting point is 00:20:47 Come on, no, come on. It was like 30 for all. It was like two minutes left. Dude, that was honestly the best outcome. Oh, yeah. No, it was the best outcome for the Raiders because they actually were like, oh my God, is Jared Stim good? It looked good.
Starting point is 00:20:58 It kind of gave everyone something to rally around so the team chemistry wasn't poison, but they lost in their best. better position for the draft. So kind of better. Absolutely. I'm still going to get a top-ded pick right now. The other thing I wanted to ask is, do you think there's a world in which Stidham
Starting point is 00:21:11 is actually like a starter next year? Or is this just kind of one of those things that is funny? And we like look back on that. Hey, remember that Stidham play game or whatever? It says Matt Flynn vibes all over it. Totally, totally. I think that's a good, that's a very good comparison. I think someone, I forget who,
Starting point is 00:21:26 someone on the Raiders made the point that Jared Stidom knew the offense better than anyone because Josh McDaniels and that Jared Stidham basically came over to teach other people the offense. That's, like, more or less why he was signed. And so that combined, I don't want to say he knew it better than Carr, but like, probably. But then combined with, honestly, he took hits.
Starting point is 00:21:42 And again, we told us. Yeah, he was tough. He was sitting there in the pocket and, like, staring down the gun barrel. The only reason I bring this up, the only reason I am leaving a sliver of hope that Stidom is maybe like an actual NFL starter going down the line is the fact that the guy
Starting point is 00:21:56 who's playing against Brock Purdy looks like he might actually be an NFL starter. You know what I mean? Like, there's going to be talk before next year of the Brock Purdy versus Trey Lance, you know, QB competition. Trey Lance just had another surgery on his ankle. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:22:14 It's going to happen. The Niners. The Niners are just sick. Every fucking year, man. I have to say, Brock Purdy is playing well enough because my dad was like, is this kid, he's great. Why don't we just go get it? Why can't teams just go get Brock Purdy?
Starting point is 00:22:28 And I'm like, he's not actually. There's a lot of quarterbacks this year. It would only be good on this team. That have just seemingly come out of absolutely nowhere. Kyle Shanahan is almost too good of a coach for his own good. Because no matter who's playing quarterback, they become great, and the fan base falls in love with them. And then it's a new player added into the competition mix.
Starting point is 00:22:47 I will say part of me wonders if he's played well enough that I've been wondering if the Niners will sign Tom Brady next year. Right. Because the only question to me is whether he'll be in a completely different time zones from his son and... Other than that... Why wouldn't he? Yeah, but other than that, he's from the Bay Area.
Starting point is 00:23:07 He grew up a huge Niners fan. Like, why wouldn't you try... Like, it's objectively one of the at least best three situations for him if he wants to play next year. I would argue it's very easily, actually, number one. It's just whether he wants to do it. But I'm now, if you're the Niners,
Starting point is 00:23:21 it's like, okay, well, it's not actually a terrible option if you have to go in the next year with Brock Birdie and Trey Lance, whereas it kind of seemed like they were screwed and they're not, which is nuts. Also, you just get to check down at Christian McAford. It seems like a good job. McAfri's insanely good.
Starting point is 00:23:34 Also, wait, sorry, before I get off Brock Perny, it's from NFL research. He has won each of his first four NFL starts, becoming the fourth rookie quarterback ever to do that since 1950. And the last people who do that are Ben Rothesberger, Phil Sims. And then Mike Cruczech, which is like a coisbach, but the opposite. It's just not a good thing. no idea who there is. No. Yeah, the Purdy thing, I feel like,
Starting point is 00:24:01 just gets more and more unlikely every week. But this is what we do. This is what Shane of hand does. I mean, like, pretty looks good. I, you know, it's just like, I don't have any explanation for it. Like, this guy was literally the last pick in the draft. No one wanted him.
Starting point is 00:24:17 I heard Greg Fosell talking about how a lot of teams, he had heard, a lot of teams had, didn't even have a PFA, a priority free agent grade on him. In other words, they weren't going to sign him regardless of what happened. Like, they aren't even interested in a free agency. That's the Shanahan thing.
Starting point is 00:24:30 And I know we always talk about Shanahan, like, it's magic. But, like, there's a reason every player who's ever played for him is basically like he's the best guy at this. Nick Mullins? The way Joe Thomas, well, the way Joe Thomas explained, you know, the Hall of Fid left tackle, and he was like, Kyle Shannon turns your brain into a computer. Is it a zero or is it one? If that, then do that. There's no.
Starting point is 00:24:48 And so when you completely remove all doubt and hesitation, you just can just execute, he makes it very simple. And I think that it's actually similar to the running backs where sometimes we don't know which running backs, the higher draft ones do it, do it because it's not about who's the most talented, who's the best. It's just, do you just do exactly what they want, exactly the way they want it. And quarterback is kind of the same way
Starting point is 00:25:09 where that's why Kirk Cousin succeeded with Shannon where it's like, just do exactly what you're told. Now, when Cousins doesn't have Kyle Shanahan and he has to do some shit on his own, he doesn't do very well. But I think that's Brock Bertie just has incredible skill players around him. And he's just doing exactly what Shannon wants. It's like, all right, cool. This is what it looks like.
Starting point is 00:25:26 I really like that purdy has a what seems like a burgeoning repertoire or chemistry with Kittl. Like the Kittal Purdy connection is pretty awesome. This is way too late in the show to just be bringing this guy out because he deserves some flowers. Winner
Starting point is 00:25:46 of the week, since this was a big negative show most of so far. Austin Echler, incredible. Number one running back on the week. Number one running back in the entire season and it turns out the best fantasy pick of the at least of the first round
Starting point is 00:26:01 was the guy who actually plays fantasy football. I think the strongest indicator that you need to focus on when drafting a player in fantasy football and this may seem counterintuitive but if they were
Starting point is 00:26:12 really fucking good last year just draft them again. If they scored a ton of fantasy points last year just draft them again. Just a general rule. Austin Declan 20 touchdowns last year at 18 this year,
Starting point is 00:26:23 he'll probably end up with 20. Yeah. He will probably end up up with 20. He also has the fourth most catches. The only people who are catches than Echler or Justin Jefferson, Tyree Kill and Travis Kelsey. That's literally it. Not Chevy. He's just been incredible.
Starting point is 00:26:38 This is also the every time you look up award. There's someone that has this every year. Every time you look up, Echler's ripping off like a 50-yard touchdown. I swear to God. And I was going up against him in a championship and it was just so depressing because he absolutely destroyed me. He's also been tough on Herbert managers
Starting point is 00:26:54 because in the red zone, like it is Echler City. They do not. They run the ball a lot inside the five with Echler. Despite their best efforts, they have failed to find anybody even remotely worth giving the football to besides Echler. Like the other running backs on this team are just so bad. It's pretty funny. Yeah, Echler had 122 rushing yards in this game.
Starting point is 00:27:15 Do you know how many carries he have? Eight. 11. 10 carries for 122 yards. Yeah, sounds about right. But no. And I have to say, Echler has a little bit of the Jalen Hertz. He's actually just gotten better every season.
Starting point is 00:27:27 Like, just like small improvements. Like, even if his number, some of his numbers are better than last year, some of his numbers are worse. He's a better player. He's incredible. I don't know, Eklare is incredible. He's invested in fantasy. Like, he does the fantasy podcast. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:42 He's, like, really aware of, like, how much people depend on him in fantasy. I think that matters. I think that's a big deal. He knows. He knows we're all, like, counting on him. I respect that. That he's, like, kind of taken us. Like, he's finally, like, trying to merge the two.
Starting point is 00:27:55 Yeah, he's the ambassador for the NFL. he's going to be like the first player to like Twitch stream the game from his helmet live Should we Should we make that a badge A next year's draft guide for like some guys like Miles Sanders Who it's just you can cover over and be like hates you Hate your fantasy players
Starting point is 00:28:13 And that it's like Austin Eccler loves you The care's metric I actually really like this Because you could we could go and like find all the tweets of like them Just telling people to shut the fuck up in their mentions and stuff I wonder if Ackler is a fan of PPR Oh, 100% Obviously. There's 100 catches this year.
Starting point is 00:28:31 I will go ahead and guarantee you that Austin Ekler does not play in a standard. Like, no. But do you think the PPR format is like too, you know, advantageous for... I actually, I'll say this. If we get to talk to Austin Echler in 2023 and he admits PPR is dumb,
Starting point is 00:28:47 will you guys concede? If Austin fucking Echler is like, yeah, this is dumb. I think it's dumb. I just like half. I think half is dumb. How about this? I just like PPR, and that's my opinion. and I'm going to go, I'm going to stick with that.
Starting point is 00:28:58 I enjoy it. It's okay. Half PPR is fine. Half PPR is fine. Standard is stupid. That's my opinion. You'll never get me to enjoy standard. Half PPR is fine.
Starting point is 00:29:11 It's perfectly acceptable. You can enjoy dumb things, D.K. It's all right. We play fantasy. I mean, so I mean, obviously. Dude, there's a lot of fucking terrible TV out there that people enjoy. I just couldn't believe D.K. was bad. The Seahawks literally were like going to be out of the playoffs if they
Starting point is 00:29:26 lost that game. They're up 20 to 6. This is a fantasy what's going on. Podcast. Hyfitz. Our text messages aren't. You were mad. Well, I was mad because D.K. Metcalf was getting skunked. I think that's fair. I think that's fair, too. Yeah. I wasn't mad the Seahawks
Starting point is 00:29:42 were losing. I thought Gino Smith played well. D.K. Metcath just got absolutely dominated by Soss Carter. Look, money's on the line. Hifitz, all right. Speaking of the Jets, I think what it, it, I mean, it's a little contrarian to be like
Starting point is 00:29:56 this is probably a good thing for the Jets. You could argue that. But, like, I mean, they basically end the season of five-game losing streak. They literally are eliminated by Gino Smith, who's the only good quarterback that they've drafted in the last, you know, 12 years. Revenge is a dish special of coal.
Starting point is 00:30:11 It'd be even funnier now that Gino is a free agent next year if the Jets fucking signed him. Well, the funniest thing is that they, and Sam Darnold's out there. And it's like, oh, oh, well, how credible is that? So I just think overall the Jets, I mean, This makes me hopeful for Zach Wilson's next team. Let's not get out of hand here.
Starting point is 00:30:31 Was the last play of the game... DK, tell me from wrong, I think the last play of the Jets Seahawks game was literally like the Jets were trying to run some bizarre circus Hail Mary thing. And Mike White just got creamed. And he's like, like, Big Falls like on the ground, just absolutely in pain.
Starting point is 00:30:48 And some Seahawks defense attack who picks up the ball and he's like 300 pounds and he was just like barreling to the end zone. And it was just this wide panshon of, Mike White, writhing as this guy runs, and I'm like, yeah, I think this team officially is going to need a quarterback in the off season. It was like, if there's any doubt.
Starting point is 00:31:04 There has been some incredible shots from games this year. Remind me, there was one early in the season where a guy was literally, like, diving into the end zone, like doing a front flip into the end zone. And in the foreground, yeah, in the foreground of the shot, it was like Andy Dalton being so sad. It was just like the most incredible shot. And then there was one from this week where Kurt Cousins got thrown out of the club on the pick six, like right in front of the guy who scored.
Starting point is 00:31:31 Do you guys remember this? He just thought absolutely shoved into the end. Yeah. Yeah. Like he was getting stuffed into a locker. There's been some incredible, just like, just the imagery of that is great. So yeah, RIP to the Jets. I actually think they should keep Robert Sol as the head coach.
Starting point is 00:31:46 I'm curious who you think, D.K. I think they should absolutely keep solid. Joe Douglas and just give them another shot. I agree. I'm pretty agnostic. about it. I don't have a strong opinion either way. I don't think he's done like an amazing job. It definitely
Starting point is 00:32:00 helps that their defense was the strength of the team in terms of solid's job security because that's like his thing. But I don't know. It's, yeah, it's been tough. Any quarterback, or sorry, any coach is going to struggle
Starting point is 00:32:16 when they have the quarterback situation that they have. They've been rotating Joe Flacco. You know, Zach Wilson's been absolutely atrocious. Mike White came back. And, you know, obviously, he was good early on. His, I think his rib injury probably still affecting him, but he was terrible in this game.
Starting point is 00:32:31 It's like, it's just very hard to win in the NFL when you have shitty quarterback play. So, yeah. I'm pretty agnostic about Sala in terms of next year. He punted on fourth and two down 14, the fourth quarter. People are mad about, I think we're going to stake. That's a solid bad. He's a really good job. All right.
Starting point is 00:32:45 Speaking of coaches, though, dude, can we do the, I have the worst fucking attorneys. I love that. For the, the, the, the, the, the, Ron Rivera benching Wentz and then the whole press conference thing, DK. So this was tough. I go back and forth on how big of a deal it is. At the end of the day,
Starting point is 00:33:04 so here's the context. Ron Rivera did not realize that the commanders could be mathematically eliminated from playoff contention on Sunday. Can we play the clip? Yeah. Basically, he's asked if there was going to be any consideration for playing Sam Howell next week
Starting point is 00:33:20 if they get eliminated. And he was like, wait, we can get eliminated. To clarify, you said you would talk about quarterback next week. If you guys are eliminated today by what happens at 4 o'clock, is Sam Howling consideration? We can be eliminated? Yeah, if the Packers beat the Vikings, then you guys are eliminated. I think the last seven days are grounds.
Starting point is 00:33:38 How Rivera has coached this team the last seven days, everything he's done, his decision, making his grounds from firing him. I think that's fair, like the whole body of the world. I don't think him not know. Like, ultimately, look, I think personally, he thought that Carson Wentz gave him the best chance. to win. So that's why he started Carson Wentz. He wasn't like, oh, we can like punt this week, whatever. That's not how he was operating. He thought Wentz would give them the best chance to win.
Starting point is 00:34:01 I disagree with that. Craig, I know you just, I think you disagree with that choice. The fact that he didn't know that could be eliminated is like that something a head coach should know, I think, but it's not a fireball. But like everything together, maybe. Yeah, also, I misspoke. I said he benched what he did was he benched Taylor Heineke and he started Carson Wentz. And on one hand, obviously, Taylor Heineke kind of became like a rally point for the team's comeback. He gave them some energy. He beat the undefeated Eagles. He embodies the grit of your team, not to mention that straight up statistically,
Starting point is 00:34:32 he's just been better than Carson Wentz. He has a two to one interception ratio, unlike Carson Wentz, who has thrown nine in six games. I don't understand. This makes no sense. There is no quarterback in the NFL, I think, more associated with absolutely just crumbling in the face of pressure. like absolutely just sucking when things are like
Starting point is 00:34:53 the most important. I think to be fair, Taylor Heineke had been like extreme the offense had been really bad within the last few weeks. And they were 02 and one and three.
Starting point is 00:35:04 Previous games. Yeah, but they were five and one with Heineke. That's the thing. You know what they were with Wentz? One in five. Well, that's the thing. Watching Wentz, that's the only thing I'll say about it
Starting point is 00:35:13 is Heineke had been struggling. But when your other options, Wentz, one, we were joking about it, but it's true, where it's like, he's not an inspiring. choice for fans or alike.
Starting point is 00:35:21 But I have to say the first throw the game, but the reporting, the reporters of the game, the first throw of the game, Carson went through, was high, and fans started booing him. After the first throw of the game, never a good time. His second throw of the game was a pick, and then fans
Starting point is 00:35:37 started shanning for Taylor Hine. Two throws into the game. I'm just going to say this, because I feel like people get mad when fantasy folks are like bitching about one thing or the other when when teams are making decisions based on how it's going to affect our lives and fantasy.
Starting point is 00:35:52 I think there's something there when we knew that Wentz was going to be the starter, we immediately start worrying heavily about their best receiver in Terry McLaren, their second best receiver in Johan Dotson, and then talking up Curtis Samuel, whose A-DOT is like zero. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:36:12 Like, there's something there. This wasn't a sound decision. Like Taylor Heineke gives his team more of a chance to win because he gives the ball to his best players. You know what I mean? Like, I think there's, like, there's not, it's not black and white. Like, fantasy people, I think,
Starting point is 00:36:26 can have a good beat on, like, in terms of, like, what's best for the team sometimes. D.K., you've been saying this all year. Know who your best players are. That should be the role of a coach. Give the fucking ball to your best players. Yes. That's Taylor Heineke.
Starting point is 00:36:37 I really, it's so funny, not to, like, dwell on this, but Ron Rivera not knowing the elimination thing. I will just, again, to be charitable for a moment. On one hand, it doesn't totally matter, right? because they need a win instead of lose. It doesn't totally matter.
Starting point is 00:36:50 It's like, you know, there is some truth to like the being 1 and O every week and just focusing, having said that. It is like the entirety of your job, isn't it? It's kind of incredible. I think it's more, honestly, more interesting to me. How can you actually build like a staff and an organization where no one puts that on your desk? Like, that's my real question is it's not actually, in my opinion, Ron Rivera's job.
Starting point is 00:37:13 He doesn't have to be like sorting for like the New York Times playoff regime, but it's like, did he go to the whole? Like, you know, that someone has, how, is no one handing it to him? Or like, did he not read it? Did he not remember? Because it's kind of incredible. And I, again, it's very easy to say this. You know what Brian Dable handled that shit this week?
Starting point is 00:37:30 Brian Dable's his first speech to the team, they literally go there. I don't know if they had a day off, but Monday or Tuesday, whatever the first practice was for the cults. It's like five days. Giants? He says, yes, the Giants when they were playing the cults. The first thing Brian Dable says, to open the meeting is like, all right, let's get the elephant in the room by the way. You guys know what happens if they win? If we win this week and everyone's,
Starting point is 00:37:46 He's like, no, it's like, okay, yeah. So everyone knows. We beat the Colts this week. We're in the playoffs. Everyone got that. And everyone, he's like, affirmatively. Everyone has to say yes. He's like, all right, cool.
Starting point is 00:37:55 Let's, now that that's out, let's just focus on the game plan. And he just went and just set it and moved on. And it's like incredible to juxtaposition of like the coach for Washington didn't know. But maybe Dan Sletter wants to sell the team. So I don't think he is the bandwidth to be firing Ron Vera right now. I guess like if you're defending Rivera, I kind of get it like, it doesn't, like he's not coaching under the idea like, oh, if we lose.
Starting point is 00:38:17 Like, he's coaching to win. It doesn't really matter. Like, the alternatives don't really matter if you lose because he's coaching to win. It's a really bad look.
Starting point is 00:38:23 The fact that it happens in the post-game pressure is a really bad look. To hear your head coach go, wait, what? To find out something from a reporter is a bad look.
Starting point is 00:38:31 Seriously. Yeah, that's bad. Yes. Yes, yes, it is. But you know what? Maybe that's why he's the right coach
Starting point is 00:38:38 of the Washington commanders. They're a team of bad looks, if you will. The Washington Browns game, stunningly, no good looks in the Washington, Cleveland Brown games.
Starting point is 00:38:45 Okay, most important one of the whole episode, which is that Russell Wilson finally has more touchdowns than he has bathrooms in his house. What is it? What has it? 11 or 12. Our long national nightmare is finally over. It's more like daydream, I don't know, it was kind of funny.
Starting point is 00:39:01 But yeah, so Russell Wilson now officially has 13 passing touchdowns. He had 12 bathrooms in the house. And the Bronco season, if we had to rank fan bases who are most upset after this year, Broncos number one? Yeah, because of the pick situation. It's not even after. season. I actually, but it's not Broncos fans after the season.
Starting point is 00:39:19 I think Broncos fans have been the most upset literally since week two. Do you guys, the most stunning part of the whole Russell Wilson thing, all the numbers, all the Tim Tebow Broncos being a better offense, like all, the draft pick being, you know, that they're sending Seattle being however high, of all the things. The most incredible thing of the
Starting point is 00:39:35 whole Russell Wilson saga was he was getting booed at home in week two and his own fans were counting down the snap, the play clock to the home. team in September. Which I've never seen. That's foreshadowing, if you will.
Starting point is 00:39:51 So you're right, Craig. I think the Broncos fans are, but it's not like, I can't actually remember home team counting on for its own. In high school basketball, I've never seen that. Never mind, like. Passive aggressive. It was like sarcasm. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:05 There is no greater chasm between expectation and reality for what happened to the Denver Broncos this year. I think maybe an NFL history. I actually, you know what, now that you say that, Craig, I'm going to send you guys, let me send you a little picture. It doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:40:19 I'll just describe it. But basically, someone made a cool chart that's like, it's just the expected points added for every unit on every team. So it's like, it's just a line over the course of the season. It's cumulative. So it's offense, it's defense and special teams. And it's just a chart so you can see where it goes. So like, you know, the Vikings are very average.
Starting point is 00:40:34 It's funny. All three lines are just the X axis. And then like the Cowboys offense, it's like very small. And you can tell us when Dak came back and it just shoots up. The Broncos chart is a sizzling. It is literally the defense is just going completely 45 degree angle up
Starting point is 00:40:51 and the offense for the Broncos is going a 45 degree angle down. It looks like a gator chump. It is the most funniest thing on the whole chart. You can just see it. No other team in the league looks like it and it's so nice when a stat like that captures what you're seeing with your eyes. Yeah. Do you think he's ever going to say Broncos
Starting point is 00:41:07 country let's ride ever again? I sure hope. I didn't fix this a lot. If they started 6 and 0, I will say Russ is almost like almost like underrated fantasy next year because like if you could get him in like the last route, I don't even know if he'll go drafted. No. He starts running.
Starting point is 00:41:23 He actually was pretty good today or Sunday in fantasy. So yeah. He ran for a touchdown. Do you run for two touchdowns or just one? I can't remember. He ran for at least one touchdown, which is, whoa, that's weird. Yeah, I think he's going to make, I already saw this. He's number one in the odds next year for comeback player
Starting point is 00:41:39 of the year. But I don't understand. What are you coming back from? Your 250 million I'm trying to curse last. I'm not going to say, get out of here. What is your adversity? I agree.
Starting point is 00:41:50 That you like forced a trade and made a quarter of a billion dollars. You're so inseparable to your team got rid of you. Yeah. In all seriousness, they need, need to change the rules for comeback player of the year and give it to Brian Robinson.
Starting point is 00:42:06 Because like he's not eligible because he's a rookie, but like he got shot in August and he actually was a good running back. Yeah. Like a month later. Like he should just get it. I don't know. It's going to be Wilson.
Starting point is 00:42:16 It's going to be funny. Oh, my God. Who's it this year, Gino? But that's the thing. It's like, what does come back from? I mean, though. He's like the out of nowhere, guy. But the NBA has the most improved player, right?
Starting point is 00:42:27 The NFL really needs that. Hypatth, you essentially are saying it should just be which player came back from a devastating injury and succeeded. I think that's usually how it works. I've always thought of it. Yeah. Maybe that's like grotesque,
Starting point is 00:42:38 but maybe that's not. I've always thought more like, hey, Alex Smith, you're back. You know what I mean? That's kind of always how I thought about it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:42:46 I mean, look, Gino. I love Gino. Chino wins. So, yeah, and then the playoff race. So we basically just have the last spot in each conference, and then there's like some division title jockey. Well, yeah, so in the NFC, it's basically everybody has clinched except for the seven seed. That's going to come down to the Packers, Seahawks, and Lions.
Starting point is 00:43:09 Packers win next week over the Lions and they're in. That's like the game, the playoff clinching game. If they lose, the Seahawks can get in. If they went, so sorry, Seahawks have to win and have the Packers lose. And then the Lions can get in if they beat the Packers and the Seahawks lose. So kind of complicated, but it's coming down to the Packers, Seahawks, and Lions. In the AFC, the four seed is going to go to whoever wins the Jags versus Titans game. There's a chance that the Jags can still get in at the wild card, even if they lose,
Starting point is 00:43:40 but it's like they have to have everybody else lose. But the seven seed is coming down to the Patriots, Dolphins, and Steelers. The Patriots need to beat the Bills and they're in. That's a taller because the bills I think are going to be trying to get the number one seed. The dolphins need to beat the Jets in order to get in and have the Pats lose the bills, which, again, it's realistic, but the dolphins are going to be playing with Skyler Thompson. Go check out his merch at his website. That's going to be tough.
Starting point is 00:44:07 Like, he has not been good. And so that leaves Craig's team. The Steelers may be like the favorite to get in. Not really, but like. But like, kind of. I mean, it's. If the past loses the bills, if the dolphins lose to the jets with Skylar Thompson, and the Steelers beat the Browns, they're in.
Starting point is 00:44:25 Right. Craig, what did you think of Kenny Pickett who had, I mean, the two best moments of his career as a pro? I mean, I was there at Christmas Eve. He drives down and beats the Raiders. And then the dealer friend seals it with a pick. And then the same thing happens on Sunday football against the Ravens. The biggest rivalry in the NFL, Kenny Biggitt just steps up and has, I mean, they couldn't do anything for 50 minutes.
Starting point is 00:44:45 And then he comes down and he just does the thing. Like, were you freaking out? How'd you feel like Kenny Pickett now? I thought Collinsworth actually nailed it by saying that was a Mahomes escrow. It was. I mean, that was one of the best things. Shumbling to his left. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:56 Threads that right to Najee in, you know, circumstances that couldn't have been more intense. I don't know. You know, I think he's doing a good job as a game manager. I think he has flash plays. And he's been really good at the end of games. I think that is what you have to take away from all this. His numbers are not going to blow you away. And they're not asking him to do a whole lot.
Starting point is 00:45:14 What's really exciting about him is that when the game comes down to the wire, He doesn't really look like a rookie. He actually composes himself really well and it also seems like his teammates really like him. Naji's talking him up. The defense talks him up. He actually seems just like a really likable guy who I think is kind of outperforming his physical skills right now, which is like a really fantastic sign for what we all thought about him coming in. I don't know if it's like he's the guy of the future, but like he's certainly warranted a full year of starting next year.
Starting point is 00:45:43 Yeah. I think, yeah. The metric by which I think you could match. measure him right now. He feels like a guy you can win with. You know what I mean? He's not necessarily going to be a superstar in the league. I mean, it's still certainly with like in his range of outcomes. But I've been pretty impressed with him throughout the season. I don't think his numbers are all that great. But just the like you said, like sort of the poise that he's shown is pretty impressive for a rookie, especially considering like the offensive line hasn't
Starting point is 00:46:08 good. The run game hasn't really been that good. Well, it has this late. I mean, one thing you have to give it up to is Tomlin and this team in general has really surged in the last. I mean, they're six and two over the last eight games. The defense has been spectacular ever since T.J. Watt came back. And they're running the ball well. We have a section here where we want to talk about players
Starting point is 00:46:23 who are kind of under the radar been really good for the last half of the season. Nagy Harris, for how much shit we gave him, since week 11, he's been the eighth best running back in fantasy. He's averaging 15 points a game. From where he started with the foot injury, he looked like he was running in mud.
Starting point is 00:46:38 We were wondering if Jalen Warren was maybe just as good as him. The Steelers were losing. This offensive line has been a lot better. The defense has been great. So Pickett has been put in opportunities to succeed with the, I mean, they're scoring, they're winning, putting up 16, 17, 18 points a game. But he's not losing the games. That's what's important. It's a lot of these other quarterbacks will come in and throw that, like, crushing interception that Carson Wentz pick in the fourth.
Starting point is 00:46:59 Pickett's not doing that. And again, the arc of the Steelers season is more so than, I guess the Cowboys with Trayvon Diggs and Michael Parsons, but the T.J. Wattmanke-Fittsacritz-Pitcher combo are the two best playmakers on defense in the league when they're healthy. and like the arc of the season of their season is they had the crazy win against the bagels week one and they had Chubisky and Chubisky was horrible. They play Kenny Pickett and Kenny Pickett's first career starts against, I mean these defenses like the jets, the Bills, the Buccaneers, the dolphins,
Starting point is 00:47:26 the Eagles out of the buy end of the Saints. And like they go through that stretch and they, you know, they started freaking two and six this team. And then after the buy, again, Kenny Pickett starts his career thrown into the fire, wasn't getting all the first team reps and just thrown half the top 10 defense in the NFL was awful.
Starting point is 00:47:42 Since the buy, what are they? There's six and two since the by week. Tomlin. Tomlin's so good. He's the best. Eight and eight right now, and if they win, still no losing seasons for Mike Thompson,
Starting point is 00:47:53 even through a rookie court. That would be incredible. Craig, you mentioned, though, that a bunch of players this season that randomly were really good. I do want to just shout out someone we haven't hit up
Starting point is 00:48:03 in this episode so far. Dude, Jerich McKinnon. Yeah. Dude, he came out of nowhere. He scored again. Jared McKinnon has eight touchdown since December.
Starting point is 00:48:13 This is who we wanted. GEH to me. This is why people were drafting C.E.A. so high. Yeah. Derek McKinnon. So last four games, so it's basically since he,
Starting point is 00:48:24 you know, Clyde went down basically, or kind of the timing's not exactly, but his last four weeks, he had 29 fantasy points was the number one guy on the week. 30 fantasy points was number one of the week. He had 11 and they had 20 this week in championship. He is.
Starting point is 00:48:37 It's all in the receiving game too. Yeah. He's like the waiver wire winner of the year. Yes, he is. Absolutely. And honestly, all the old running backs kind of did well too this week. Honestly, it was a little weird. Like age before beauty, oddly kind of won the championship round.
Starting point is 00:48:51 Diadre Swift had a good game. I assumed no one DeAndre Swift made it. But like Austin Echler and Christian McAfruh, top two, they're not young for running backs. Rahim Moster, 30 years old, more than 20 points. Jamal Williams, almost 28. Jared McInnan is 30. Corderole Patterson, 31. This is crazy.
Starting point is 00:49:06 This is an average. This is like the oldest guy's left. This is going to be a huge aberration in terms of what we normally see. But yeah, it's absolutely like, I feel this. This is, it's crunch time. This is where teams really rely on the guys that have experience. Maybe that's playing into this. But yeah, I think this is a historical aberration.
Starting point is 00:49:23 I can't wait to talk myself out of every single one of these guys because they're seven months older next in July. No, we have memento tattoos to not talk about age. Speaking of age, though, D.K., you get the next award here. Speaking of late season, league winners, this is the quietest league winner of the year. Devonte Smith, all of a sudden, over the last five weeks, has absolutely exploded.
Starting point is 00:49:42 He's the wide receiver three in that stretch. Guess who's the wide receiver one, Justin Jefferson? Sorry for everyone at Justin Jefferson this week. But yeah, Devonte Smith has come out of nowhere. He's averaged 21.6 points per game in that stretch. He did that with Gardner Minchua at quarterback, too. He's just been amazing. AJ Brown's been really good, too.
Starting point is 00:49:59 Yeah, very under-discussed Devonte Smith. The entire year has just been like a very consistent number two guy on this team that's actually been putting up numbers closer to a wide receiver one. I haven't heard hardly anyone talking about Devonte Smith in the last month. In the last five weeks, he's literally the wide receiver three. I think it's not an accident that this has coincided with the Eagles getting injured. And that's a struggle. More competitive games.
Starting point is 00:50:19 Yeah, the Eagles before were just winning by so much so fast that they kind of weren't throwing. And they have a quarterback now. I mean, Jaylen Hertz is getting benched. Well, yeah, and they have a quarterback now who's not running for 100 yards a game. So it's like there's a little bit more ground to make up. And so mention, again, Hurts, it helps when Jalen Hertz doesn't have to get benched in the fourth quarter because they're up by 30 points, which kind of was an issue as well. But no, it's...
Starting point is 00:50:40 So does this mean we're out on Devanti Smith next year? It's an aberration. It's a fluke. No, he's incredible. I'm still mad he's not a giant. He does look amazing. It's more than just the numbers. He looks incredible.
Starting point is 00:50:53 He always makes these just like impossible looking catches. It's getting smack around. He is skinny. You know what I think about a lot is that the giants basically got bamboozled and got sandwiched where the Eagles got Devonte Smith. The Cowboys got Michael Parsons and the Giants traded back to Cadarist Tony. This is why you hate Canaris Tony so much. At least they picked up another 10th.
Starting point is 00:51:13 Jerry's Tony had a touchdown this week. No, he didn't. Did he? Oh, maybe not. I think he just had like 70. He was last week. His last week. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:20 Did he play? Yeah, he played. He had 70 yards this week. He led the Chiefs in receiving yards. Two games in a row, is that legal? Putting up more points than Justin Jefferson. I mean, in High Fitz's defense, he's probably going to get her in this next game. Yes.
Starting point is 00:51:34 It's because Justin Jefferson also fake the hamstring injury and his celebration, and that's what happens. That's the death now for anyone who does that. Really? Yeah. Holy shit. Well, on that note, this is very important. Fantasy Carmel.
Starting point is 00:51:46 The final burn book of the year. There's an obvious pick you could just say, like, should we base this off of just who murdered you in the championship? Because you could say Justice Jefferson or Trevor Lawrence. Or are we kind of basing this off of maybe the fantasy playoffs? Because if that's the case,
Starting point is 00:52:00 there is a running back who I think qualifies perhaps more than any other running back. Do you guys have the same person, or do you have somebody in mind? Who do you have? Miles Sanders. Wow. Miles Sanders in the week's 15, 16, and 17 this year has scored 1, 5, and 6.
Starting point is 00:52:17 I think that's the right answer. This guy was the top 10 guy all year, like legitimately. Miles Sanders was the running back 8 heading into the fantasy playoffs. The 8th best running back in the league and then puts up 12 points combined in your fantasy playoffs. This is a event. He's doing it because he hates you personally. Well, no, did we ever figure out the splits on Miles Sanders' Dome and non-Dome games? If you know what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:52:39 Oh, you're talking about, oh. Said DMs that leaked on TikTok? At first I was like, wait, Dallas plays in a dome. And then I was like, oh, I know what he's doing. Oh, I don't know this story. Just saying. At lighten the people that don't know what you're talking about. Oh, I don't think I know this.
Starting point is 00:53:02 Enlighten the people that don't know this. I live close enough to Canada to know this. Us young ins refer to blow jobs as dome. Oh, getting dumb. Yeah. Okay. Getting brains, if you will. I don't think that's right.
Starting point is 00:53:16 That's, definitely. That's, that's older. A social media. Jesse says, ding. Influencer, release some DMs with Miles Sanders. Ah, okay. Discussing certain acts.
Starting point is 00:53:28 Activities. And so we were trying to look up the splits of, you know, his performances within the dome games. I think this is ringing a bell. maybe we did talk about this, but yeah. Miles Sanders. Do we agree? Is he in the book?
Starting point is 00:53:43 I mean, 12 points in three weeks. No, that's a really good one. All right. That's the last one of the year. All right. I think it was a tough year for the burn book. A lot of these guys kind of like a long season, Craig.
Starting point is 00:53:53 Long season. It's hard to burn people. CalPetz was fine, though. He stayed there. Hamakers is like a top five running back. Yeah, what are we doing? Do you guys want to know the top running back since December? Because it's like Christian McCaffrey,
Starting point is 00:54:05 Jerich McKinnon, Eckler, and then like, Khamackack. Wait, I want to run through all of our burn guys and note all the players who we kind of like screwed up on. Camakers, please. I guess it's fully back. Number one.
Starting point is 00:54:16 In our defense, he literally wanted to retire while the Rams were the worst offense. I don't feel the need to apologize for Camer. He like leads the league in rushing last three weeks. Week two, Colt, Darnel Mooney, that paid off. Week three, Baker? Yeah. It's in the same case.
Starting point is 00:54:33 It's in the Camakers category. It's like, yeah. Week four. Baker won a Heisman. trophy and then said that him like beating the Raiders on two days notice was the most rewarding and surprising thing of his career. So, week four, Kyle Pitts.
Starting point is 00:54:46 That one held true. Yeah. Week five, Alan Robinson, we started great. Our first five, other than Cam Acres is really good. Rams, Rams, Rams, okay. Then we kind of start to falter. Week six, DJ Moore and Elijah Moore, DJ Moore is kind of back.
Starting point is 00:54:59 I think that was right. No, as soon as Donald came back is when he fixed it. Yeah. And we talked about that. Week seven, AJ Dylan. AJ Dylan's been pretty solid last month. Dylan, he's the walking cliche. He is, I'm just going to call him the cliche from now on.
Starting point is 00:55:10 The longer the season gets, the colder it gets, the more power he gets. He's harder to tackle when it's cold. He's baby Derek Henry. Yes. Justin Herbert, he's been better once his receivers came back. Who would have thought? Week 10, we gave it to Russell Wilson, who, I mean, still qualifies very much so. But, you know, he's been all right.
Starting point is 00:55:29 Kareem Hunt, great burn. He's been nothing. Alvin Camara has been pretty up and down. I still think he's perfectly fine. George Kittle, kind of fully back. We just didn't see the Broner. Mark Purdy thing coming. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:40 George Kiddell's been like the best tight end of fantasy since we burned him. Week 14. Take him out. It's like the Giants photo on the boat.
Starting point is 00:55:47 But the opposite. Week 14, Mike Evans. You know what? I think him putting up 47 points this week is actually qualifies him more for the bird book. Him being in the burn book makes me feel better
Starting point is 00:55:58 about him being on my bench getting 48 points. Yes. It's insulting that he did it at the end. Yes. Week 15 we give it to Mark Andrews who like randomly had 100 yards yesterday.
Starting point is 00:56:10 But other than that, he's been terrible. And then week 16, we gave it to the weather, which I stand by. Kind of a cop-out, but that's fine. Now, Miles Sanders. Yeah. There's your burn book for 2022, or I guess now 2022, 2023, whatever. I like how it's been, we've been doing the burn book now for, I don't know, two or three years.
Starting point is 00:56:27 And we still don't really know how to define what the burn book is. I just like the vibes of it. It's people who've wronged us. Yeah. It's just people that we don't want to have to think about again. Get them out of our lives. It's like an anti-yearbook. It's like a bizarre yearbook.
Starting point is 00:56:42 You don't want to see anybody in there. Yeah, exactly. You look back with regret. All right. So rest of this week, we're going to do the fantasy rewatchables next week when the whole season concludes. So this week we're coming,
Starting point is 00:56:52 the NFL draft show on Thursday, right, Craig? Yeah. And then we're going to have fantasy rewashedibles for you next week, and then we're in playoffs. So more NFL draft show. If you have to check that out, please check it out. It's really fun.
Starting point is 00:57:02 It's a really good time. Please check out. It is on our feed. Let's make that clear. It is on the ringer fan show. and his football show feed. If you hit follow or subscribe or whatever right now with this feed, then you're going to keep getting us in the draft show.
Starting point is 00:57:13 It's really fun. So it's us. It's so luck. We have a great time. So that's all we got for today. We hope you won. If you did win, emails to ringer fantasy football at gmail.com.
Starting point is 00:57:22 If you did have winnings, a lot of people email us and like some people want to thank us, whatever. I do recommend, we can post this on Twitter, but there's actually a list of all the player charities and their preferred charities. If you have Austin Eckler, if you have any of the players that you want to
Starting point is 00:57:37 particularly thank any portion of your winnings. You can split. I'll post the Twitter, the link on Twitter, and just like 100 players and all the charities that they prefer. And if you have like Justin Jefferson or Mike Evans, you could actually invoice them if you want. Sure, they really love that. Their money.
Starting point is 00:57:54 Yeah. Didn't Justin Jefferson? He's off social media. Good thing he is. Too many of that number requests. Also, wait, if anybody has that lineup that I read out to start the show, please. Be amazing. To be clear.
Starting point is 00:58:06 Craig in our Dynasty League had almost that exact lineup. He had, there's 10 guys in our starting lineup. This is the Superflex. One player. Craig, mind, Craig is in the championship. He was the second best team all season. I was the favorite heading into this week. I scored the most last week with this team.
Starting point is 00:58:24 That's the thing, yeah. He has 10 starters. One player over double digits. One player. It's like if you tried to do that, it's actually hard. I know, it's like mathematically awesome. It's difficult. It's like winning the lottery.
Starting point is 00:58:37 Essentially what I read where it was like the last three weeks, that lineup average 1.50. And this week they scored 37. That like literally all pretty much happened to me. Unbelievable. You can invoice people. All right. But in all seriousness,
Starting point is 00:58:48 thank you to everyone for listening us through the season. This is a lot of fun. I hope that you guys have enjoyed the season. I hope that you guys won. If you didn't, I hope you had a good time. Really appreciate it. Email us to ring your fantasy football at gmail.com. If you want to let us know you won.
Starting point is 00:59:01 Yell at us if you lost, commiserate, whatever. Thank you. We appreciate it. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you to Jesse for production help. Thank you, Lord. Lord.
Starting point is 00:59:10 I'm going to shout to Mariah Carey. Thank you, Mariah. Fantasy. The Queen of Christmas. We want that fantasy song. We're still waiting. Get in touch with our people. I was really excited this year.
Starting point is 00:59:22 I woke up on Christmas morning thinking maybe. She'd give us the rights to the song, Fantasy. But no. Another year. Another year without fantasy. Barbara Walters passed, and I saw some clip going around at Barber. Walters interviewing Mariah Carey.
Starting point is 00:59:37 Oh, I saw that. That was really funny. It was funny. I don't know who the, do you know who she had beef with? I actually don't know. It's actually, it's me who she has beef with. Oh, it was Nikki Minaj. Oh.
Starting point is 00:59:49 I feel like they're not in the same kind of category, relevance-wise. I'm just in different eras a bit, you know? Mariah Carey was like a 90s star, and Nikki Minaj was just like killing it in 2010. Well, Mariah Carey just does, I mean, Have you seen the memes of her when her Christmas songs
Starting point is 01:00:07 start going up the charts after Thanksgiving every day? Like every Black Friday, just like you could just start to see her numbers quite. For the last, I think four years in a row, all I want for Christmas
Starting point is 01:00:16 has been number one of the charts at one point in the year for four straight years. Yeah, it'll probably just be that way. Forever. Craig, I've been thinking so much about what you said about why is there no just great
Starting point is 01:00:26 like electronic Christmas album. We had people. People sent us stuff for that. I listened to some of them though. They don't, They don't really connect. They don't hit that hard. Somebody can do it.
Starting point is 01:00:39 You know, I wish Avici was still around. Rest in peace, because he would have nailed it. You're so right, where even if it wasn't good, I don't know why Calvin Harris or someone hasn't just tried. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's like odd.
Starting point is 01:00:50 We got one year. Figure it out. Mystery. All right. Goodbye, everyone.

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