The Ringer NFL Show - Championship Recap: Mahomes Drops Josh Allen Part 4, More Saquon Magic, and Craig Was on ‘SNL’

Episode Date: January 27, 2025

The guys recap all things conference championship weekend, including a potential Chiefs three-peat, Dalton Kincaid’s crushing drop, why the Eagles have the perfect roster construction, Frankie Luvu���s “palpably unfair act,” and much more (5:18). Along the way, they briefly look ahead at the Chiefs-Eagles Super Bowl rematch (50:50). Later, Craig talks about his first time going to ‘SNL’ and seeing Timothée Chalamet in person (59:04). Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And time is a flat circle. The Eagles and Kansas City Chiefs are back in the Super Bowl. Again, Craig, how are the vibes right now, Chiefs Eagles Super Bowl? I would say the vibes are bad, right? We didn't want this. I don't think anybody wanted this. I think everybody wanted, except Chiefs and Eagles fans, I would say everybody wanted the Bills number one.

And then maybe give her to some people wanted the Eagles versus commanders. I think they probably thought the Eagles maybe deserved it more, which they probably did. It was a fun run for Washington. But, you know, I experienced something interesting watching this Bill's Chiefs game. Curious if you guys felt the same way. Bill's great vibes.

We've been talking about how we wanted the Bills to make the Super Bowl beat the Chiefs. We keep wanting the Chiefs to lose. However, while watching this game, there were moments where I couldn't help myself but kind of root for Mahomes. There was something within me. When it was third and ten,

I was like, hi, my body's telling me that like, I want him to complete this. I want him to get a first time. I don't know why. My body's telling me. My body was telling me that I wanted my homes to make the super bowl. You know, it's like that urge, like, you know, if you're on a bridge and you're like, I could just like drive it into the water right now. You know what I'm trying to call.

Yeah, it's the call of the void. That's like what they're called in French. Yeah. And that was it. Like, I want the bills to win. One of my best friends of the world is a bill's fan. Like, I want the bills to win. Yeah, I love Josh Allen.

We're going. it's more interesting, frankly, for us to cover it if it's Buffalo. I've wanted the bills to make it the whole time. I absolutely also had those pangs of, I'm like, oh, I want you to do it. Like the joke, I'm like, I want you to do it. I want you to hit me. D.K., are you, where are you at all? I was like probably most of the country and not having those feelings whatsoever.

I also had a lot of, the middle seat was on the line for Daniel. Staring at a chair in front of me, riding on this as well. Yeah, for those who are unaware, yeah. So now because D.K. has now lost our pickum contest against the spread now. When we fly from New Orleans to Los Angeles, we are going to sit aisle, middle window, and D.K. has to sit middle seat. Raw dog the flight, no

reading, no books, no movies, no music. We used to call sitting in middle seat, sit and he-ha. Raw dog, he-ha. Yeah, I'm going to be thinking, I'm going to have a lot of time to be thinking. You can be thinking about the Dalton Kincaid catch or the Mark Andrews catch, which one? Yeah, both, really. I'm going to

spend all that time thinking about tight ends catching eminently catchable, or missing eminently catchable passes. Dalton Kincaid would have been one of the greatest plays by a quarterback all time literally on fourth in the season Josh Allen, three free rushers

in his face. I don't know what the Bill's offensive line was doing on this play, but there was three guys in his face within half a second. He drifted back as far as he could, let loose with just like a prayer down the field wide open Dalton Kincaid and he tried to catch it with his forearms. It went right through his

forearms in his stomach. I don't understand how you're a professional athlete and you can't do this. Use your hands. It was Josh's version. Do you remember when the Holmes had that horizontal Superman throw that hit the running back in the face in the Bucks Chief Super Bowl and he dropped it? It was kind of like Josh's version of that where it was like, dude, that would have been epic if you just know. These tight ends are killing me, man. They're just killing me.

I would have done a lot better on this bed, obviously, if Mark Andrews had caught that pass and then they would have went to overtime. And then Kincaid, who knows what would have happened after that? D.K., do you think which drop was worse? You sent a kind of a hot takey text that I wanted you to save for this podcast. Which catch was more egregious? Which drop? Mark Andrews or Dalton Kincaid? I,

my thought in the moment was Cancate. Cancades was worse. How is it worse? How is it ridiculous? What is that? That's a crazy thing to say. It was like floating

softly into his hands. He's not backing up. Well, Andrews, in his very small defense, Andrews was going backwards. Kincaid, it's just, he's just standing there, waiting for the ball. He's diving.

He's not standing anywhere. He's diving for the ball. The ball was right there. He's diving on like a pseudo Hail Mary with people all around him. Mark Andrews was alone and it was like a two-yard pass right in the middle of his life. The play was for Mark. Craig, I was upset in the moment, all right? Geez.

Okay, the Andrews won was way worse. We can't let Mark Andrews off the hook for what he did. Kincaid should have freaking caught it. They both should have caught it is the point. They're both bad. And I'm going to be thinking about them a lot in the next couple of weeks. We'll do when we fly out from the Saturday of the Super Bowl weekend. When we fly out, we'll do like 20 or 30 minutes.

We'll see if we get Wi-Fi in the plane. That'll be really funny if we can't. But every 30, 40 minutes, we'll check it at Decad. Do you do what I can to make that happen. Yeah, so I mean, so the cheese won this game 3229. It's a pretty epic game. Like, I'm sad the way it ended for Buffalo. But this really did hold up in terms of all these games for Cheese Bill's

has been epic. And on one hand, it holds up in the genre for like the non people who don't have a dog in the fight. It's crushing for Bill's fans. I mean, honestly, this rivalry is over for the most part. right. So the Mahomes, I mean, there are so many stats you can go through, but just to reel them off. This is the 17th consecutive one score win for the Chiefs, which right there, that's an undefeated season of one score games. 17 straight. 17 to know when their last 17.

So stupid. That's so ridiculous. Which is actually one of the craziest stats maybe ever in football history. And again, Mahomes is, the Chiefs overall are the first team to ever went back to back Super Bowls and make the next Super Bowl. There were eight teams that had made the one back-to-back Super Bowls and gotten to the playoffs. And there were only three teams that had got to the conference championship. But this team's team is the first team to ever actually play a Super Bowl for a three-peat.

Unless you want to count the Packers, like, you know, before when there were 14 teams pre-super Bowl era. And then the other one, Mahomes is the first guy to beat another quarterback in the playoffs four times. So just beating Josh Allen. So I hate to say it right. It's weird because Josh Allen's actually beaten Mahomes more than any other quarterback. but Josh Allen's the first quarterback to ever get beaten by a different guy four different times in the playoffs.

So like this Bill's Chief's rivalry is over. And frankly, this whole era, like Patrick Mahomes is Michael Jordan of this era. Like that's kind of to me what maybe if they lose the Super Bowl, but Mahomes is Michael Jordan of the NFL. Like, and I know maybe that sounds sacrilegious,

but again, Michael Jordan didn't make a finals till seventh season. Mahomes has now made five Super Bowls in seven seasons. The CBS broadcast, by the way, had, I don't know if this was one of those situations where they caught it live and just was like perfect timing or if they like recorded it and then kind of inserted it in. But when Mahomes converted that pass to Smagey Ryan for the first down that sealed the game, they panned right to Josh Allen.

And Alan kind of like was watching the play and then just looks down. Yep. It was the most devastating just fuck. Like it happened again. It really had just happened. Like this real reality. Yeah. Yeah, a thousand-yard stare, just so brutal.

I just remember that's the image is going to be seared into my brain. It's just Josh Allen looking just distraught knowing that, man, came up short once again. That's just so tough. This way, I mean, this is like, you know, the agony and the ecstasy of sports is such a good line because obviously Mahomes is going crazy. He's like cementing himself as one of the all-time quarterbacks if he already hasn't. And then on the sideline, you got Josh Allen just morose and sad. And it's just tough.

this game was annoying because I don't think the chiefs outplayed the bill I thought this game was pretty dead even if you look at all the numbers I thought in the eye test statistically this game was pretty dead even the chiefs even had a turnover that Mahomes fumble and they still won I think the biggest loser of this game what I was most annoyed with was the play calling from the bills and Joe Brady honestly I couldn't stand the continued to go back to the tush push the QB sneak over and over the left guard or whatever too it was not working it could first of all this whole like it completely defeats the purpose of a QB sneak or a tush push, whatever you want to call it. I guess they weren't really tush pushing on some of them, where Josh Allen gets the ball, steps backwards first, shifts to the left, and then goes back in. Like that defeats the purpose of what the momentum is trying,

of the offensive line is going to give you. And yet they did it three to four times. They didn't get it. Meanwhile, James Cook is running amok in this game, and they're not giving him the ball on all these third and fourth and shorts. I thought that was ridiculous. They did a fade towards Trent McDuffie in the end zone, which I thought they know.

their rookie receiver. For their rookie receiver, Keon Coleman. Third and ten, crucial moments at the end of the game. Third and ten, they go to Amari Cooper on a bubble screen, gets them four yards, and sets up that terrible fourth down Kincaid drop. I just thought it was like a really poor call game by Joe Brown. Also, on that drive, they came into this most important drive of the season, down three, the season's on the line, and Ty Johnson's out there at running back.

What are we doing? Like, why is James Cook not on the field? It's so bizarre to me. And that for that reason, here's the thing. I think maybe the Bills and Chiefs played evenly, but I thought the bills got completely out-coached and completely out-classed. And that's the thing where I don't want to hear anything about the refs in this game. Like, I, like, I'll all joke about it.

You're going to, pal. You're going to learn conspiracy by the refs. We can joke about the refs thing. I'm fine to joke about it, but people need to actually understand. There was the one tough call with the fourth down where Josh kind of reached and like, it looked like, oh, you could reverse, you could not, and the cheese got the ball. And that really did change the game. Because two plays later, Juju Smith-Schuster's,

the Chiefs in the red zone. He scored touchdown. That did change the game. Having said that, I don't want to hear about the refs in this game when you're talking about everything Craig just said with the play calling out-coached. And on that note, I can't believe that Jim, they did the one left guard quarterback sneak. And Jim Nance is like, you know, the Chiefs told us this week, we're in the building. And they told us, they know the Chiefs sneak over the left guard. And they're really confident he'll be there. Yeah. Sorry, yeah, sorry. The Chiefs knew that the Bill sneak over the left guard. he said that on television and sometimes teams have guys watching the broadcast.

No one had like the bills ran like four more sneaks over the left guard. None of them worked. And like they didn't realize these everyone watching heard Jim Nance say this. The only people who didn't know the chiefs had a key on that were the bills. That's bad. The other thing is the bills fumbled four times in this game didn't even lose any. That's the other thing is it's like the bills got away with a lot of mistakes. Josh Allen's first throw should have been intercepted.

Josh on second throw should have been intercepted by two different people. And then the next drive, Josh fumbled twice. Josh dropped the step. Josh got sacked, picked up the ball mid-sacque like he was reaching down. And, like, frankly, they got away with all of it. And I'm one end that probably makes Bill's fans feel worse because that was like, you know, you didn't have any mistakes that killed you. But the cheese, the bills made so many mistakes on top, like the offense got out-coached,

the defense got out-cooked. How can they not stop Mahomes rolling right every time? It was like the first or second time. How did Mahomes have five rollout rights for the fourth and one, a touchdown, another touchdown. They couldn't stop any of this stuff. Every phase of the game, they were out-coached. This is why it's rare. This is why they're doing what they're doing, because you have Mahomes, who's a once-in-a-lifetime player.

And honestly, you have the combination of Reed and Spagnolo, who are like a once-in-a-lifetime combination. And they're not leaving. This is why it's working, is because Joe Brady is holding Josh Allen and this team back, maybe Sean McDermott, even. And you don't have that issue with Kansas City. Like, you didn't have it in New England with Brady and Belichick. And that's why I'm very serious when I say the Michael Jordan thing. I don't say it lightly. I put a lot of thought to it.

And one of those things, it's like Michael Jordan did the whole thing alone. Like you've got Scotty Pippet. You didn't win any rings that Scotty. It's like you got Dennis Rodman. It's like Chris Jones might as well be Dennis Rodman. You got Phil Jackson. I'm not saying any, you know, I don't think Eddie Reid did any acid. I don't think Eddie Reid did.

But like, like, there's a lot of similarity. I bet he did. You think Eddie Reid did? Yeah, I can see that. He's a cheeseburger guy. I don't know. Where did Andy did he grow up? Should we ask him at the Super Bowl if he's ever done acid?

Where did Andrew Reed grow up? Oh, I know. It's California, actually. Los Angeles? There you go. Oh, that says acid to me. Probably raw milk. He grew up in Los Angeles and then he went to BYU, huh?

Oh, interesting. No. Probably not. How many drugs he's doing at BYU? Probably not. Interesting. He was a vendor. He was a vendor at Dodger Stadium as a teenager.

Smoking Reefer under the bleachers? I keep going back and forth. So anyway, so the chiefs, I mean, yeah, and that's the thing where it's like, I'm watching this team and I'm like, it's, it's every, it is, what Craig said, it's everything, it's Mahomes, it's Spagnolo, it's the blitzers. Chris Jones, dude, our buddy Nate Tyson's at Yahoo had this incredible, incredible stat that, so on the, they kept double teaming Chris Jones and they were success actually when they were able to double team Chris Jones, but when the chiefs were able to scheme up Chris Jones getting a one-on-one block, this was incredible. It was, he had, I believe, of the first 11, one-on-one blocks, he got seven quarterback pressures, which was the most in any, tied for the most in any first half the entire season. Definition of a force multiplier.

And it's like, you talk about all the different things that Spagnola can do, but part of the reason Spacknola can do that is because he has this defensive tackle, or, you know, he's like lining him up at different spots on the defensive line and just absolutely creating chaos. And it just really opens up a lot of what you can do. So,

yeah, he was obviously a huge, huge part of this. He was on the sideline. Speaking of the Josh Allen shot where he was just destitute or not destitute but like demoralized on the sideline there was a shot too where Chris Jones was just balling his balling his eyes out on the sideline pretty cool to see

He always cries during the National Anthem The Contrast. He's a huge cry That national anthem guy, the Navy guy We crushed it. He killed it. That was insanely good. They should bring him back. The National Anthem usually doesn't move me anywhere. I'm not going to lie like

Who's that one guy? I almost wouldn't join the Navy. I felt something. Who's doing the Super Bowl? Oh, John Batiste, he's pretty good. I was going to say, because that guy should do it again. He's pretty good. Who was this guy that did the National Anthem today?

You just said he was the, I don't know, he was the Navy guy. Yeah, I don't know his name, but we should find it. Generaled, General Wilson. General Wilson or General? General. G-E-R-A-L-D, Generaled. Like, General with a D? General.

General. It's like when a general says something, to you in the past tense. You were general. More Andy Reid facts are coming in from Austengale. Do you guys, are you curious about them? I'm fast and furious. I want them.

When Andy Reid was 13 years old, he was already so large that he wore the jersey of Les Josephson, who was 6'1, 207 pounds, when he was 13 years old. So if Andy Reid was 6-1-207 at 13, he was quite literally twice the size of me. When I was 13, I was 5-1-105 pounds. So he was two of me.

like the Winkley Foss twins It's like two cranks in a trench coat You know like I would have Two crings in that one jersey Dude that was like Did you see that Bucks Cowboys game Where Vita Veya tackled

Cavante Turpin And Mike Tariko was like He's twice his size One of them's 3 50 And the others One 160 Man Yeah I don't know

I mean We'll have a lot of time To talk about the cheese frankly Like we can try to summarize What they've done and stuff But is there anything else Some of the bills I don't it's tough

Because like I wanted them to win so bad but honestly, they didn't do enough. And it was tough because the Christian Benford injury was really brutal for them because that also really was probably the before-after moment in the game. Like, in a way, it reminded me of the Chiefs Niners Super Bowl last year where Drake Greenland tours Achilles running on the field with like this pre-existing injury.

And then Orrin Berks goes in, who's ironically on the Eagles now. And then the whole game changes. And suddenly the Chiefs are just hunting Warren Berks and the whole game changes. Honestly, the moment Kyrie Elam came in a cornerback, the Chief's offense went back to, what they were on the first drive, which was the first drive chief said was knife through butter. They didn't have a third down and scored a touchdown.

And then they just kept hunting Kyrie Elam. It's like Ju-Ju-B Kyrie Elam and Hollywood Rounded and Xavier Worthy. He couldn't guard anyone. And honestly, the bills couldn't enjoy it. Like Sean McDurbey came out of the tunnel. And literally he was asked and I've never heard a coach say anything like this. He was like, yeah,

Kyre had a tough half. They were really going after him. But he's going to get after it right now. And I was like, I've never heard a coach just admit that the other team was hunting one of his players. Yeah, he got toasted out there. He's like, We're going to have to find a way to hide this guy out there.

That's really what we got to do. Narrator, he did not fix it. I don't know. There were just so many different things that went wrong for Buffalo that in a way, I almost feel like this one might be one of the more crushing ones of them all because there were so many different reasons you feel far away. But I agree. The play calling, I don't know.

I don't know if it's play calling or just a reminder that they don't have anyone's dynamic. Like throwing up that Keon Coleman while Trent McDuffie's their best cornerback. Why are you doing that? been going to Mac Hollins. I also, yeah, seriously. I also don't really understand what happened to Amari Cooper. Like, we are not far away

from Amari Cooper, like, having been really good. I mean, I think Amari Cooper had like 200 yards in a game last year. I don't understand what he just disappeared and is like the fifth option on this team now. Dude, it's the same as Deontra Hopkins. Hopkins was absolutely invisible in these playoffs,

or has been absolutely invisible. We had one catch today for 11 yards. I feel like they're both just probably more hurt than they're letting on. They're too old. I mean, look at them. They're old. Amari Cooper's 30.

He's not 35. I think he's just been battling. Every foot injury adds three years. Zach Ertz was more mobile than Amari Cooper today. Somebody, by the way, this is so random, but somebody tweeted this that Kelsey looks and runs like the robot from Interstellar. You know, like the square blocky robot. Mahomes is running. He's like, cars!

Tars! And I'm like, oh my God, I'll never be able to unsee that. Get there to shit. So good. If you ask me right now, Zach Hertz or Travis Kelsey right now, if you need him in a game right now. I'm thinking about it.

Like 12 fasts today. He did. Oh, man. He looked great. Dude. Oh, that shot of him. Should we just talk about that game? Zachrits was weirdly good at that game.

He was amazing. Anything else to add about this Chief Spills game before we move on? I think you're right, D.K., I think this is a little deflating because although we wanted the bills to win, I think the Chiefs deserve to win and we'll probably say the same thing with this Commander's Eagles game

the Eagles deserve to win like they were just way better Craig Oh they were so much better The correct teams won I was texting with Ryan O'Hanlon Hyfitz you know Ryan And we were just joking around

It's like oh the Chiefs Back in the Super Bowl The Chiefs who are bad Went 15 and 2 and are back in the fucking Super Bowl Again Patrick Omba Holmes Wasn't even considered One of the main candidate

Wasn't even a candidate for MVP this year. Back in the Super Bowl, again, it's just like inevitable. This is just insane. But also, yeah, they, Craig, I agree with you. Like, this is a team that deserved it.

They just, they find ways to win every game. It's actually very impressive. And I'm not, and I don't want to hear anybody say, oh, it's because of the refs. Like, no, this is a very good team.

I will say today, I thought Mahomes made a point to not bitch once, which probably is the, that bullying works because he clearly was making the point of being like, fine, I won't say anything

and I'll still win. It's funny. Mahomes has been compared to Steph Curry for a lot of reasons, but I think the thing he actually has the most in common Steph Curry is he's deeply motivated by petty shit. Sure. I think Mahomes,

I genuinely believe that Mahomes had those two, like they were basically designed off tackle runs, basically, that he scored twice the rushing touchdowns. I really think he did that because Josh Allen had the walkoff rushing touchdown against them in the regular season this year. I really think Mahomes just watches on a loop.

It's like, I'll do that. I'll do it twice. Check this out from Sheal. a 99th percentile game from Patrick Mahomes in terms of dropback success rate. There were four games this entire season when a quarterback produced a successful play

at a higher rate than this game. Highest dropback success rate of Mahomes' entire career. The most efficient game in terms of success rate in Patrick Mahomes' career. See, he's reached a level now where he's just like, he's actually not stat chasing and he's just like, I will do whatever it takes to win, I will be perfect, I will check down.

Him running in this game was so crazy. critical. This is the first game in his career with two touchdowns, I think. And Mahomes really only had three bad plays in the whole game, honestly. He had the one where he was too saucy and he tried to juke Matt Milano out and he took them as sack out of field go range. Yeah, yeah. Which almost ended... He had the fumble. Yeah, he had the fumble. And then, like, it wasn't even really his fault, but that one where Phillips just like blew up the NPC, uh, which is named Caliendo, who the left guard and he was shot. Frank Caliando's son, right, yeah.

With Frank Calione Jr. The impressions guy. Right, right. The impressions guy couldn't block Doing a bad impression of a guard. What did you guys think of real quick? What did you think of the Xavier worthy catch no catch? One, I thought the ground was, it was pinned. I agree with Sterator. Like, I don't think the ground dislodged the ball or did anything. I thought the ground part was irrelevant.

To be honest, I thought Cole Bishop had 75% of the ball in the air. But this is how it always goes. It's like when two guys come down fighting for the ball, it's like the one who comes away with it is the one they award the catch to. So I wasn't upset with it at all because that is generally how it's officiated. And yeah, and that one, I will say. I agree that just because it hit the ground. The rule is if you have possession of it, it hits the ground.

Like, that's okay if there's possession. So, like, a lot of people are, like, will hit the ground. And I will say this. I could see the argument that it should be the bill's ball there. It did break my rule that I feel very strongly about is that if you need to watch something, like, if you watch it three times and you're still not 100% sure, that's not the definitive clear and obvious. And I did eventually think it was the bill's ball.

But then I realized, I had to watch it five times. Is it really clear and obvious? You thought it was a Bill's ball? I just thought it was, I just thought it was incomplete. I kind of eventually was like, oh, I didn't think it was incomplete. I eventually was like, oh, it's Bill's ball, but I was like, I don't know. I literally had to watch it five times. And I'm like, if you have to watch it five times, then like, it's probably Xavier Worthy's ball.

And like, if you just swapped the teams, I don't know if anyone's like, wow, the chiefs got screwed. You know what I mean? 100%. So that's definitely not going to be the discourse, just to be clear. That's fair. And I get that. But I also think to some point, people are just mad and complain about the refs. And like, but the reality is this.

I think that the coaching comes down to this. On the defensive side of the ball, the chiefs knew the bills were going to sneak left guard every time, and they stopped them like four times. And even the one where Bill, Josh jumped over, they chopped the ball out of his hands, and he fumbled. They got it back. So they really succeeded on all the sneaks.

The chief succeeded. On the other side of the ball, the bills could not stop Patrick Baum's rolling right. And I'm like, if the chiefs on the offense are rolling right and every time they're not getting stopped, and the bills can't even sneak with Josh Allen. You got out-coached. 100%.

I saw next-gen stats tweeted that the Chiefs defense today had the most stuffs against sneaks in a game since 2016 when next-gen stats started. The coaching point really feels pretty pertinent here. I agree with you guys. It feels like the Chiefs had a really good plan and they executed it from start to finish. Obviously, it was a close game and the bills came back and made it a game.

But just from a coaching point of view, it did feel like the Bills, or sorry, the Chiefs really outclass on this one. And I don't know if you get rid of Sean McDermott. I don't think you want to get rid of Joe Brady. So have they lost four straight playoff games to the Chiefs? No, four or five. The other one two years ago, they lost the Asian championship game in 2020, Division, the 13 seconds game won in 2020 January. And then last year was the one last year, this one. And then the other one was the Bengals and the snow in Buffalo. And they got like,

ran off the field by the Bengals. And the Bills really, they had no running game. And they went and built this current iteration of the team, which still didn't win, which is brutal. So I'm sorry to Bill's fans. I really am. I mean, I don't. Everyone was reading for you guys. I'm sorry. I don't know. Bartman does wonder about McDermott a little. Dude, that, D.K., you're so right.

That shot of Josh was devastating. Because there's always one. It's so bad for it. There's always, and, DK, you said this a few weeks ago. There's so many shots of Josh. It's like Josh Allen's career has been defined by not getting, standing on the sideline,

not having the ball back. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And, yeah, it's, it's tough, man. So, all right. That means, thanks. Can we get the bills to the NFC? Congress to the Chiefs.

Bill's in the NFC. We got every year there should be like one, everybody votes to like have two teams swap conferences. Like I would just immediately put the bills in the NFC. You know what's funny is if the bills once the NFC, they would just lose four straight Super Bowls to the Chiefs. At least he'd be there. Yeah.

Actually, I don't think that's true. I think that this is better. Losing four straight Super Bowls is awful. The bills know something about that. Yeah. Anything else in the championship AFC before we go over? I will say, at least the referees did not award the Chiefs a touchdown. We do have to.

Okay. Just randomly award. Oh, yeah. The Eagles, all right. So the Eagles, we'll talk about it. Eagles won. I've never, I don't think I've ever seen this number in an NFL game. The Eagles won 55 to 23 over the commanders.

Most touchdowns in a playoff game ever. Seven rushing touchdowns. This is a college football ass. This is a boat race today. They had the, the stat of the entire playoffs is that the Eagles had more rushing touchdowns in this game than the Cowboys did all season. Yeah, seven to six.

seven rushing touchdowns of this game. Seke one at three. Jalen Hurts had three and then Will Shipley got one in. This was, I think this was the most clear cut playoff game in terms of what happened that I can ever remember. The Washington basically turned it over five times

and the Eagle scored all five times off the turnovers. Four real turnovers with a failed fourth down or something. The filled fourth down, but even just the Washington fumbled three times and the Eagles scored all three times off the fumbles. they won up by 18 points or they gave up 21 on turnovers

and then it was another one they had to go for the turnover on downs because it was like they were down a lot and then the eagle scored on that one and then the Jaden Daniels said a press and throw a pick and the eagle scored on that one

and it's like suddenly five turnovers, five touchdowns, that's 35 points and they lost this game by 32 points and it's funny because the offense didn't even play poorly

Jaden Daniels actually played really well. Turnovers, man. I don't think there's not been a team in this playoffs that have lost the turnover battle and lost the games. The Kansas City Chiefs. Kids are the Chiefs.

Oh, is that today. Sorry. Fucking Chiefs. I was remembering before that game. Of course it's the Chiefs. Was it just one to nothing today? Yeah. But it's been of this crazy stat this morning

that we have to remember for next year. Each of the last three seasons, the final four teams left, had zero turnovers in the playoffs. The quarterbacks had no turnovers. Interesting. And it's like all four quarterbacks this season had not turned it over in these playoffs.

And that was true for each last three years. and then only yeah only Mahomes had the turnover today but yeah this game they pulled like a lion's man four turnovers in this game they hadn't turned did they even have a turnover before

in the previous two games no no just like one punt before yeah there was like a lot of questionable calls in this game but you can't I mean you can't harp on any of those I mean the Eagles just boat race them

in the second half this game the Eagles are better than Washington at I think literally every single position the field except quarterback. Like literally every single. But Jaylen Hertz had a game of his life. Like he was incredible in this game, one of his best games ever.

He still looks slow, but he did play. He had way better decision making yet. It's funny because it's kind of like, was he making better decisions or actually the cornerbacks in Washington suck. Like Marshall and Lattimore was honestly like a total petulant. He was awful. I mean, AJ Brown dominated him. Devonti Smith dominated him.

He really was like the Kyrie Elam of this game. And then honestly, Mike Saner still, I love him as a player. He's like the rookie out of Michigan and like I love him as a player, but he's not ready to go like A.J. Brown one on one on one on the goal line. And so A.J. Brett, like there was no one on Washington to play the kind of defense they wanted to play against these guys. So they just dominate. And then on the offensive line, man, I mean, dude, the first play of the game.

Sequin goes 62 yards for a touchdown. First play of the Eagles. Yes. Yeah, sorry. The Eagles first play of the game. Like, Seekwon literally started this game with averaging 32 yards a carry and a touchdown on his first two carries. This is another shield tweet. Based on EPA per drive, this is the best Eagles offensive performance since their Super Bowl win over the Patriots. 11th best offensive performance by a team.

Was it the 55 points? That's some Steve M. Buren level. Right. Fair enough. Can I hit you guys with an intrusive thought? Please. So, one, I did not want the Eagles to win. I don't really know why, but I just didn't.

I don't know if it's like Jalen Hertz, if it's Siriani. It's tough because for some reason I don't. I'm not rooting for the Eagles, although I love Seekwan, so that's hard. I'm conflicted there. There's some dissonance there. But I had to admit,

while watching this game, I started to think, and I was trying to remove my own bias of rooting for the commanders, do you think this Eagles team is closer to, like, being all-time good than they are to being,

like, a normal Super Bowl team? If you really look at this roster and how good they are, they've lost one game since September 29th, is this team, like, closer to, like, one of the best teams of the decade

than not? I think if Jaden Daniels was the quarterback, they would literally be undefeated. I mean that. I think, Craig, I totally understand what you're saying. Here's why, and I was thinking this today, they have one of the best, if not the best offensive lines. One of the best, if not the best, past rushes.

They have an absolutely dominant secondary, which showed up today big time. They have maybe the best receiving group in the NFL in terms of AJ Brown, in terms of talent, and Goddard. The Heisman winning Devontes Smith, is their, Number two.

Yeah. They have the best running back. Yeah. And an above average quarterback. And I would say they probably have the best depth of any team. That's, and that's the other thing. Like they're maybe one of the best teams ever constructed from a talent and roster and depth and everything.

I know that we, I know that people get tired of hearing how great of a job, Howie Roseman does. And we heard about it. Stop glazing him. I know. Yeah. People are like, oh. But like, if you look at this, what I was thinking about this, this game was how many

players were contributing that were added after they made. they lost the Super Bowl a couple years ago. And it's like they just fixed everything that was wrong with the team. Like they literally just draft players. The Rams. The Rams do this too. Yeah. It's like they just added Jalen Carter who fell for awful, you know, issues pre-draft.

But like they got the best player in that draft. They got Nolan Smith, who they almost took at the 10 spots. So they just literally added two defensive line and Nolan Smith had the sack that like ended the game. Jalen Carter is now top three defense attack on the NFL. This year, they just added Quinnian Mitchell. They added Cooper DeGee. And they threw up a little graphic at the end of the game that was like, Vic Fangio was added this year.

like maybe that he's maybe we'll win assistant coach of the year. Quinn and Mitchell and Cooper DeGine will probably both be top four in voting for defensive rookie of the year. And then you have Zach Bonn, who's probably deserves to be top four in defensive player of the year, who was like barely playing. And now frankly, he's at the cutting edge of a new position.

Like that's going to be a whole thing. Eagles Chiefs is like Leo Chanel and Zach Bonn and these like middle inside linebackers that can also put a hand in the dirt and like be a defensive lineman. Like that's, it's like a nickel cornerback of the front seven. Like it's a new position or an old one. depending how you look at it, but like they just got him from the saints.

The saints didn't even know what to do with him. And you're just looking and you're like all, they just, Mackay Beckton looked revelatory as a rookie left tackle for the Jets. Didn't play for years, had a kneecap, thought he was too overweight. He was like the Joel and Bede of left tackles.

He's just the right guard for the Philadelphia Eagles. Just clear it out massive lanes. He's unbelievable. Like they are just the kings of taking everyone else's trash and making it treasure. And it's like, I mean, again, one of the reasons they have Cooper.

DeGene, who was all over this game. They traded up with Washington to get Cooper DeGine. Washington could have had Cooper DeGine. Just like the bills could have had Xavier Worthy. But the Eagles, it's like how many times do they have to hit on this stuff? Shit, they're really good at this. Somebody shared with me my draft grades from a couple of years ago when the Eagles picked Nolan Smith 30th in the draft.

Going into the draft, he was, I think most people were like, oh, he's going to be a first, he's going to be a top 10 pick. He's really explosive, really bendy, pass rusher. I think there was some maybe. injury concerns or whatever. But my grade was just A plus, and the analysis was they can't keep getting away with this. And this is what I always referenced when people are talking about how we just constantly glazed the Eagles front office.

It's like, yes, because they keep making awesome moves. I'm sorry. You should wish you had Howie Roseman as a GM, period. And I know we're just ranting about this, but the less sexy version of it is the offensive line. It's they develop Jordan Miladden and it's incredible right tackle. It's they replaced Jason Kelsey. Like they had a plan to replace Jason Kelsey with Cam Juergens. And then he gets hurt.

And they have Landon Dickerson. And like, Landon Dickerson goes in. He played center at Alabama won a championship. But he's fine. That he gets hurt. Cam Yergens goes back in. And you know who's not inactive, but is there in a case of emergency? Cam Yergan's.

The Giants couldn't even figure that out with their fucking kicker in week two. They had their kicker inactive. And then the other one got hurt. And then he's like, they're on the sideline. They can't even play the kicker because they didn't even think it was worth having the two kickers, like even though one's injured. The Eagles are like thinking of this stuff. They don't make these kind of mistakes.

Like there's such basic stuff. So it was just, yeah, so you look and you're up and down and you're like, holy ground. Every single one of these positions is loaded. Like Quinn and Mitchell batted. He intercepted Jaden Daniels for the first turnover at all playoffs. Like, I don't know. I can't say enough about this team. It's really funny that the weak link is like whether Jalen Hertz plays well or not.

Because everyone else is just frankly like dominant. Well, I mean, again, and to just remember the Jalen Hertz, the way they acquired him was when they had Carson Wentz. as their quote unquote big money starter, this guy that is a no-brainer, and then they picked Hertz in the second round because he had fallen to that spot. Yeah. So I mean,

I feel like even if Hertz is not playing, well, they should still get credit for it because these are their starter. They took them in the second round because they wanted to develop quarterbacks and it's good to have depth and it's good to have a backup plan.

Take a quarterback when you don't need one. That's clearly the chiefs did that with Mahomes. Like, you know, they traded up from 27th in the draft because they had gone the division round. It got Mahomes. So anyway, yeah, I don't know. But Craig,

coming back to Craig's original point, Yeah, we have to start thinking about the Eagles 1 to 53 roster as like one of the best rosters we've ever seen. I mean, they just ran for seven touchdowns in a game. Tied for most in a playoff game in NFL history with the 1940 Bears, who also beat Washington by a score of 73 to zero. That was a real game that happened in 1940, December 8th.

Can I read you guys a couple of stats in this game? Please. So the Washington Redskins had zero points and nine turnovers. Just not taking care of the football. Nope, not taking care of the football. The bears only threw the ball seven times in this game, and they won 73 to zero. A quarterback, I think, on Washington name is Frank Philcock.

I think is his name. The pronunciation of that made that work. Philcock. It's F-I-L-C-H-O-C-K. Phil Chalk. Phil-C-C-F-C-C-F-C-F-C-F-C-F-C. Phil chalk. Phil chalk.

Probably Philchalk. Philchok. Okay. Wait, hold on. I'm looking it up. Frank Philchok. Philchok. It's an O.

Which is why I went cock. Yeah. Phil cock? I don't know. Actually, I can't tell. You're right. Oh, kind of makes it weird. Yeah.

It's tricky. Anyway, Frankie went seven for 23 for 87 yards and five picks. What a sport. Oh, with the other people in this game, we got a Gary Familiar. Miglietti. Yeah. Bob Swisher.

That's kind of sick. Sid Luckman, three for four. Big day for Sid. Yeah, you know, Roy Zimmerman, I don't know why so many people were throwing passes in this game. Roy Zimmerman, three for 11 with a pick. The Bears team actually invented the quarter.

The reason the score is the lopsided was the spares team invented the quarterback with Sid Luckman. They actually, the quarterback position, as we know, was actually invented at the season on this team. By Sid Luckman was three for four in this game.

The internet is all. I mean, it's Frank Philchalk. You're missing. Also, don't forget the line play of Bulldog Turner. He was the seventh pick in the 1940 draft. He would line up next to Hampton Pool. Is that the draft to World War II or the draft to the NFL? He's probably top ten in both.

He's like the Kyler Murray of his day. Right. Anyway, also, their punter, Dick Todd. Dick Todd. Dick Todd. Had one punt for 34 yards. Not the best punter, that Dick Todd. Also, coming back to this Eagles game,

I remember whenever Bill would say, I think Sequin's the best running back I've ever seen. Yeah. I was always kind of like, calm down. He's coming down. And I watched it today, I was like,

he might still got it. Like, he's still got it. See, that's the thing about, this is the thought I had during this game that what makes Seekwan so special is yes, I think the Seekwan haters,

if there are any, I don't know if there are any, but the people that would maybe push back on us saying that he's, the greatest running back ever, whatever. They will talk about the lines, like the lanes that this offensive line opens up for him, which is true. He gets these big run

lanes at the first level. But what I think makes Sequin so special is what he can do with the second level stuff. Once he hits, once he hits the gas, the accelerator to get downhill, he can access lanes in the blocking that almost no other running back can hit. You know what I mean? Because he's so fast.

He can just, he just beats the pursuit angle that most other running backs cannot get to. I think the other thing that's cool about him, and he had a couple of these, he actually put Bobby Wagner on his back today. I think he retired Bobby Wagner. Yeah.

His path protection is so underrated too. He is just such a complete, awesome football player. He's so good. Dude, yeah. He really, he dominated Bobby Wagner. Like,

there was a stretch where he stiff-armed Bobby Wagner to run for 60-yard touchdown, picked up Bobby Wagner on a blitz and pancaked him, and then was a lead fullback for Jill and Hertz and, like, pancake him again. And I'm like, you got to, like, you can't play football again. at Bobby like you're done.

Bobby was no. Wasn't he like a second team all pro this year? I hope he wasn't. But I don't know. Also this is going to sound incredibly obvious, but D.K. talking about Sequin just made me think about it's so obvious that really good running back plus really good offensive line and mobile quarterback equals the best rushing attack. We've seen in a long time. But it really does make you think about like if you have a really good running back in a bad offensive line, it's almost worse than having a bad running back in a bad offensive line.

Because it's like with what the Giants. had you were if you have this generational running back you have to give him the ball a ton yeah but then like you can't really run the ball anyway but you still have to give it to him because he's so damn good good so damn good and obvious but it's like pairing a good offensive line and a good running back is so crucial and important and when you have a good running back and a bad offensive line it's it's like a rock and a hard place where where like you have to give him the ball but he's not going to go anywhere with it you know yeah i i think you're dead right because it's clearly like it's a force multiplier. Like clearly like

Derek, again, Derek County quietly had like 1,900 rushing yards this year, which we barely even talked about because they went hit like 2000. But I there's probably a much better analogy for this and I want somebody email at Ringer Fantasy Football at Gmail. Like I know this isn't a great, but I know there's something here. There's definitely some kind of food analogy

where it's like if you have like really high level cold cuts and it's like you just have like wonder bread. Like you know, you can have great cold cuts and like that's the running back. It doesn't fucking matter if it's like shitty bread. I'd rather almost just have like shitty meat and shitty bread, but it's like you want like awesome. bread and awesome meat, that's a great sandwich. Yeah.

It's like doubling down how we say, if you already have a good defensive line, like draft another good pass rusher. Be good at something. Be good at something. And it's like, oh, the Niners were one of the best run schemes in the league. And then they traded for Christian McCaffrey. Oh, that made sense. And then they didn't lose like 15 games with him in.

Yeah, lions. Oh, it's like they were already good at running the ball. And they go ahead and, like, they get rid of DeAndre Swift and draft Jamir Gibbs and have David Montgomery. It's like, these teams are smart. They know what they're doing. You're doubling down on what you're good at already. The other thing that I wanted to mention, too,

whilst we're glazing the Eagles for going to the Super Bowl. You're really into glazing. You're into this phrase. I just push back on this because I've got so many people that were saying that to me like when I was giving the Eagles good grades. I'm just like, look, what do you want me to say? He's a good

GM. He's making good moves. I respect Howard Roseman because he saw Georgia had the best college defense in 10 years and one of the five best of my entire life. And he was like, I'll just take those guys. Why don't we put those guys on this? Being a GM might be easy. So fucking easy. Just take the people from the best defense I've ever seen.

I think honestly, being a GM is just don't overthink it, you know, like Joe Shane. The other thing, the other thing I do want to give them credit for it, and this is a segue to something that we have to talk about, but you mentioned force multiplier. The tush push is absolutely a force multiplier. This is the only team that, I mean, they're not the only team that can do it, but they do it better than any other team. They do it now still, even without Jason Kelsey.

And they do it so well, I found out about a rule today that I'd never heard of in my life where the referees, if the defense keeps doing something that's really annoying, the referees can just say, we're giving this team a touchdown. We award you a touchdown. If it's like egregious what the defense is doing, which is the Eagles were lining up into their tush push situation near the goal line. And the eagle, or the Washington kept trying to essentially jump over the line. Frankie Louvo was jumping over the line, Troy Palo Malo style every time trying to tie it perfectly.

A palpably unfair act. That was the rule. palpably unfair act. Only the NFL would put palpably in a rule. Here is exactly what the refs said. The refs said, quote, Sean Hockyley. Sorry, Sean Hockyley.

At some point, the referee can award a score if this type of behavior happens again. For now, it's a replay of secondary behavior. Also, the fact that it's so vague. At some point, the referee can award a score. We don't know at what point. So at some point, do you want to hear the rule?

Do you want to hear the actual rule? This is like giving, the referees carte blanche to do whatever the fuck they want. They have their impute. What's the word? They have power with impunity. Here's the rule. The referee, after consulting the officiating crew,

enforces any such distance penalty as they consider equitable and irrespective of any other specified code penalty. In other words, they also says the referee may award a score. In other words, they can do whatever they fuck they want in the situation. If there's an probably unfair act, they can do whatever they want.

It's the because I said so, rule. Yeah. This is how parents like, their car over rule. Turn this car around. Because I'm your dad. That's why. Yeah.

You know Sean Hoculi wanted it. You know he wanted them to do it though. You know that he was hoping they would do it one more time and he could just like award them a touchdown. Frankie Liu had an offsides later in the game and I was like, ooh, what are they going to do here? They didn't know I'm doing anything because he just ran back to the huddle, but. The reason this rule exists is because do you remember like that Cardinal Steelers Super Bowl where James, obviously Greg does, but like that, when James Harrison intercepted Kurt

Warner at the end of the half and ran back to touchdown with zero seconds left. Imagine if a Cardinals player just came off the sideline and tackled James Harris. That's what I thought the rule was for. If someone comes off the sideline and tackle someone at the end of the game,

it's to prevent chaos. It's to prevent like if you don't have that rule, then like players would get really squirley or like a fan. Somebody tweeted this. I don't know if I didn't fact check this, so I'm assuming it's true. But in the 1954 Cotton Bowl, a Bama player came off the bench to tackle a rice running back at the ball and the refs rewarded the guy a touchdown.

So that's like the basically why you have this rule. But this didn't seem really like that situation. I did this didn't seem like that level. Here's the thing that bothered me about it. Because I'm like, again, I don't want to pretend to know the history of this rule. I just thought it was for extreme things like that. The Eagles are doing a hard count. Like it's not like Washington is like just like it almost was like Washington being

frustrated. They're trying to stop this. unstoppable play at the half yard line and the Eagles are faking them out. And they're like, they're like, they're not letting us try. Yeah. I think honestly, I feel like the reps felt like stupid having to move the ball one centimeter closer every

single time. It took four minutes. Honestly, that actually might be part of it. Where Sean Hockey is like, you know, we can't actually move it closer next time. Dude, there was a lot of people. There were a lot of people I saw on on Blue Sky and Twitter talking about how what the Eagles were doing was also on like dishonesty.

by doing the hard count. I'm like, what are you talking about? This is like hilarious. Let them do the hard count. I really respect the hell out of Frankie Louvo for, he would be terrible at Blackjack. Dude, I love it. He's doubling down every single time. He's like Austin Powers with these like, hit.

Sir, you have a 20. I like to live dangerously. I also like to live dangerous. Just do it again. No, 21, Frankie. He's like, I'll stay on seven. I also like to live dangerously. recommend you hit.

I'll stay. Anyway, I thought it was great. I thought it was hilarious. This kind of behavior will not be tolerated. Oh, my God. You know what's funny? I also had a revelation. You know, that sequence was insane?

Where it's like, that took four minutes. That's second and goal. They were on second and goal for four minutes. That's how every basketball game ends. Yeah, yeah. Miserable. Like a football game ends that way. Like a foul.

You go to the free throw line. There are all these conversations about like what's going on with the NBA right now and all these things. And people have all these theories. And my thing is so my thoughts like Dunning Kruger totally like I can fix the NBA are they need to do the ELM ending. Yeah, I agree. Because the elmending for those who don't know is basically instead of a clock, it's like you just like the idea that a loophole defines the end of every basketball game is insane. And I was thinking of this today where I'm like, this is how every basketball game ends. And it should end with a basket.

But basically the in season tournament, the NBA Cup, they should have the ELOEMend. trial dirt. There's a free advice. What is the evil ending again? It's instead of just playing the fourth quarter out, when the fourth quarter begins, there's a target score, and the first team to get to that number wins the game. So it's like, the Warriors, Lakers, you've got to get to 25 points to win. However, if the Warriors are up 10 going into the fourth quarter, they would only have to get to 15, and the Lakers would have to get to 25.

It becomes a pickup game. Because the problem with basketball is that every level of basketball, like, amateur basketball is more pure than the professional version, where it's like a pickup basketball game ends with a basket. And the professional basketball games and college ones end with a series of never-ending fouls where the team tries to break the rules to gain an advantage, which is like, how is that a thing? But anyway, yeah, we don't have to like link her on that. But I do think that that should be the fix for the NBA.

It is funny that in most sports, the end of the game sometimes is the worst part. Like, even in baseball, that's a good point. So many pitchers are getting subbed in and out. It takes fucking forever. Basketball is like foul city. I guess football is okay. But that, no, that it's more than okay. that's the core reason that football does so.

It's the scarcity of the games all matter, which is what people focus on is the parody and the scarcity. The third prong that no one talks about is a football game between the Titans and Jaguars can suck for 57 minutes. And then just the ending is unbelievable. And that's all you remember is how the game ended. Anyway. And that's kind of this one, Eagles won too.

Because Washington Eagles, this game was kind of close for a long time. But the end, it was frankly, it was a bludgeoning. It was like the Game of Thrones. Like it was like Mountain and the Viper. Where it was like, are you like, oh, they might got a shot here like 14, 12. I can work with this. And then it's at the end. It's like their head has been bashed.

No spoilers. Sorry. Well, you don't know those people are if you think it's a spoiler, but hopefully. Sorry. That's 10 years old. But yeah, I mean, I do want to just shout out of Jane Daniels who again, they didn't until the game was out of hand. They didn't even punt again.

Like they had the fake punt. They were aggressive. They were going for. Jayden Daniels. Dude, the fake punt, man. I respect Dan Quinn. I respect the way he called this game. That fake punt was like one of the hard.

artist execution wise. They threw a same pass. Dude, usually it's like a comeback route on the outside the guy's wide open or it's like a crosser and the dudes wide open. Yeah, like I don't think Anthony Richardson could have made that pass the punter made. That was impressive. Yeah. I think, yeah, High Fitz,

you're giving credit to Daniels is spot on because I think he just played so well. It's so unfortunate. It sucks in big picture because you know, like Diami Brown fumbled, I think Echler fumbled and there was another fumble. And Jeremy McNickles on the kickoff, which is another one where you're like, when you fumble in the kickoff.

But again, I think it's like you look at, you look at what he was working, who he was working with in terms of like the depth on that team and the, this lack of superstar power on that team. Zach Hertz for crying out loud was their leading receiver by a lot. He had 11 catches for 104 yards. I thought Zach Hertz retired like three years ago. And you know what I mean? So he did so much with, you know, relatively little. It's just, just a credit to what he was able to do to get them there. Obviously, I love the fact that. you know, both of these teams

love to go for it on fourth down. It just makes it fun. Early on in the game, they were just trading punches. It was so funny because the first two possessions, it was an 18 play, like 80-yard drive by the commanders. They went for it on fourth down twice,

got it, and ultimately they decided to like take the points for whatever. I don't know why. They decided ultimately to kick the field goal, but they did. And then one, like, the next drive, the Eagles just score on one play. We're like, okay, well. Yeah. Nevertheless, still impressive start from the commanders. Dude, yeah, Nacon that the Indiana Jones thing. Yeah, the Indiana Jones battle. Watchers is a 15 play field goal and the Eagles just has like a one touchdown run. It's like

Indian Jones pulls out the gun. Yeah, so good. My God. Yes. I mean, Washington, I guess it look, it's a magical season. Every fan is going to come to the same conclusion of like, oh, well, it's, you know, it was nice to go on this run. Wish we could have made it. Wish it wasn't the Eagles, but it's nice. I will just say weird offseason for them. Nine of the 11th. 11 defenders on Washington starting for defense today wasn't even on the team last year. I think half this active roster is on one year deals. Like I think they're going to have somewhere,

but they have over 20 guys who are going to be free agents. Like this is very much like the first year of a rebuild that they didn't expect to have to do. And like I don't know how many of these players are coming back. Like, so it's going to be very different team next year. So it'll be interesting. Chiefs Eagles is the Super Bowl. Cheegels are two.

We're going to be in New Orleans. And again, just a reminder, we cover the whole off season. So we cover the Super Bowl. go to the Super Bowl, but like, follow us for the whole, DK does the NFL draft show, follow us on Instagram,

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through the entire off season. And honestly, we actually do episodes every single week during the year. So we literally never leave. We're going to be selling hope to you all off season. Hell of a drug. So for this Super Bowl,

cheese Eagles, what is the, Craig, what is the spread right now, the opening spread? Oh, let's see. It was opened at one and a half. Chiefs favored by one and a half.

And that's where it is currently. It looks like it went to two and it's back down to Chiefs favored by one and a half. Honestly, this feels like the last Super Bowl where the Chiefs have Mahomes and better coaching and the Eagles have better players. This is just the same thing. This is just every, we could have said the same thing

about the Niners, right? It was like, yeah, probably better players, but the other team has Mahom. homes. So, I mean, I'm just going to do. Do we even have to talk? Do we have to do all the Super Bowl content? I'm going to do a week of this game.

Come on. Everybody was like, I can't do two weeks of this. Like, I don't know what to say. Yeah. Are the teams different enough to where the conversation can be that different? Should we get into Premier League? Like, Man City's doing terribly. What's up with them?

What's going on with the Pro Bowl? Should we hang out? Should we talk about the Pro Bowl? I didn't realize they're just called the Pro Bowl games now. Did you know that? There's not even a game anymore. Because they should. They got rid of the game?

Skills competition. I actually, the dodge ball I like, I actually kind of want to make it a strong man competition. Like, you know, like the world's strongest man?

Like they have to like throw a tire. Yeah, you used to be on Spike TV. Throw a beer keg. I want that for the lineman. Go do like wipeout or American Ninja Warrior. I want to see what American Ninja. I would like,

sick. Cam Newton's doing that on that show with the celebrities who do the U.S. Navy SEALs fighting. He's fighting seven guys. They've seen that. They've seen that. They've seen that one time. They're jumping a helicopter.

And it's supposed to be like seal of celebrities. And so it's supposed to be like former actors and like reality story I think Snooky did it or something And that's like Cam Newton I'm like he's not like the other people Like they're like oh jump on this helicopter He's too big dude

That's the problem He's too big He's too big he's too big He's not gonna be good at it He's not gonna be good He's too big What are you talking about? He's too he's too heavy

You're trolling me I feel like half of the stuff Navy stills have to do And their training is Endurance stuff Do you can do you want me to He's like one of the best I'm telling you he's too big.

I'll put my money on him versus... I bet you the average Navy SEAL is like 5.5. No, he's not beating Navy SEALs. He has to beat people who are on the Jersey Shore. Look, I'll go out and say... He's not meeting Navy SEALs. He'll be fine then. I'm going to take Cam Newton over Snooky.

I'll say it. I don't know who he's going against. I thought you said he was like doing all the SEAL training. He's doing SEAL training, but he has to beat like C-list actors. Okay, that's fine. That's fair. You got me there. He's out there against Matt. Broderick, I'll take

I don't know, Matthew Broderick, he's kind of like small, wiry. I could see it. Kind of shifty, versatile. Take him the underdog. How old, Matthew Broderick might be sneaky old. Dude, he is. He's getting, he's getting up there.

No, he's wailed than 50 years. He's like 65? Oh, yeah. First people are, 1985, right? How old is he? He's 62. Yeah. Yeah.

So, Cam Newton caught a helicopter? Okay, maybe I underestimated Cam Newton. If we're talking about fighting seven guys at once, I'm taking Cam. But I was picturing like Cam Newton at Hell Week. I just think he would be too big, too heavy. That's all. Big Tree fall hard. He's built.

He is built-diff. Let's be honest. Yeah, dude. Cam Newton. It's the most built-in person of the history of built-in. Look, you know what? He was the MVP of the NFL. I thought it over and I decided that Cam Newton's actually in good shape.

He was voted the best player in the NFL. He was the Super Bowl of Jericho-Cotcheri. I'm taking Matthew Broderick. Cam Newton is literally probably the greatest college football player of all time. Does Matthew Broderick at 62 years old get any kind of handicap? This doesn't seem fair at all. It's not, Braddock. It's probably like Pilot Pete from the Bachelor versus Cam Newton.

Here's that guy reversed. Here's Ari from the Bachelor's versus Cam Newton's chest. If they put Matthew Brut... That would be an uninsurable show. Like, you could not insure that. No. Sarah Jessica Parker would not allow Matthew Browardt to go on that show. He would be dead.

One of them is Brody Jenner. Who's that? Who's that? Come on. One of the Jenners? The Hills? Oh, yeah, he's on the Hills. Yeah. Cam Newton or Brody Jenner?

I mean, Brody Jenner's in pretty good shape. Or at least he was back in the Oats. I don't know how good... of Shepie is now. But it's tough for the Super Bowl that we're kind of like, are we being bad at our jobs right now that we're like more excited. We have two weeks to do this. I know.

It's not like we're going to ignore the game actually. I know, yeah. That's true. But we can complain about it. I do want to say that I was, I am maybe this, I'm too basic, but the Shane Gillis Budlight commercial with Post Malone

where he's like, you know you can't drink in a beer commercial. Postman's like, what? she goes like yeah it was wait till it's over and there's a pause he's like five four three and postman looks like he's actually like really excited and that they like that was that was my favorite that felt like they did some outtakes or they were just like bullshitting and then they turned it into the commercial honestly i i am stupid enough to like i actually believe that i'm sure they're acting but i actually thought it was real and i i love that commercial and i was yeah gillis had like i've been a had like a really hot month i would say all like the notre dame stuff was really funny and in a football playoffs. Dude, calling out Saban.

He's like, God. Oh my God. Gil was calling out Saban was incredible. He's like, oh, yeah, no, he called him Alabama Jones

because of the hat he was wearing. Dude, it was so funny. Sabin was not having it. He's like not laughing. So mad. The commercial, you know,

I could have you killed. He's like, I thought this was a funny show. What? I said that Alabama paid his players. Big deal. Alabama Jones over here. It's like the lowest hanging fruit

that joke to imagine. He turned back because I thought it was a funny show. Has Sabin never. heard that? Does he not know how to react to that? Dude, I, I, the Gillis, the Notre Dame commercial was like, hey, God,

it's to be Shane. And then the other guy's like, did you go to Notre Dame? He's like, yeah. Actually, no. I lied. No, no, I didn't. I texted my friend who same thing. He's like, my uncle went to Notre Dame and then like, I'm a Notre Dame. And he was actually texting me at the same time about

the commercial. Yeah, no, Gillis on a good word. Wait, speaking to Gillis, though, you, Craig, you have to else. You are in New York right now. I should have led with this. You are in a hotel room. Do we want to do the outro and then naturally go to the SNL talk? Well, because we have to thank somebody who I was standing next to last night. Oh, gotcha. Okay. I was going to say this seems like a very natural segue opportunity. And I am in a hotel room right now. No noise complaints so far. Yeah. I was going to say, yeah, I should have led with all the top that Craig is, I hope you get one actually.

But yeah, so thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Austin. Thank you to the other 30 teams who don't have Patrick Mahomes are the best roster I've ever seen. Shane Gillis. Thank you to Shane Gillis. Thank you to Cam Newton. Now he's on first take, too. Ever since people, someone said that Cam Newton dresses like he operates a hot air balloon and I've never been able to unsee that. Yeah, that's great. Well, no, which really bad take. He has like the tallest hats in the world. You would never wear that on a hot. Firehats. Come on, people. Thank you, Lord. Lauren. Thank you, Timothy Shalabay. Yeah, so I went to SNL last night for the first time.

Dream come true for me genuinely. Like, SNL is my favorite thing in the world. I wanted to be on as a kid. Craig, you made it on to the show. There's a photo. Okay, we're going to put this on Spot of it. There's a photo of Craig in the audience when Shalabay is like doing whatever he's doing.

Yeah, we got really lucky because there's floor seats and there's only like, the show's actually, like, they cram a lot of people in there. The studio's way smaller than it looks on television. It's tiny. but there's probably like three, 400 people in there, but only like 60 get to sit on the floor. I thought those people were actors.

Because sometimes they intersperse actors in there, right? Well, the guy who had a line in the audience was a writer that they brought out and sat him there for one second. But yes, they only bring out, it's like, yeah, 60 people get to sit on the floor. And those are the people that sometimes get to, like, be on camera a little bit.

It was like the coolest experience of my life. I mean, I'm like a huge SNL junkie, so I kind of know how the sausage is made. But being there, especially on the, the floor. Dude, it is truly so wild. The, I would, like, the spectacle of watching them do the show was honestly more impressive than the sketches themselves. Like, one sketch is going on in one area. And then they're, like, building two others right next to you on the other side. While Timmy was singing the Bob Dylan's song, they were building sets live. And then, like, they scrapped one set.

So they, like, took it down while another sketch was going on. There are cameras like literally next to my face. Like, the cue card guy's, like, standing above me at some point. There's, like, cranes going over you. You feel like you are in a garage. You feel like you're backstage and you shouldn't be there. It's wild. This is my grace land, sir. That's really cool. What was your favorite part of the whole thing?

Like, was there one moment that will stick out in your memory other than being on the show, actually? That's a good question. Being down there for the monologue and watching him come out of the door and walk down the stairs was pretty iconic and cool. But I have to say the thing I will remember the most is how much. S&L trusts people in the audience, especially the people on the floor. Like they're live TV. Yeah. Totally.

They're like, you're part of this. When you walk in, you don't go in like a side entrance. There's not like an audience specific hallway. Like there is one hallway that leads to the stage and it's the same hallway all the actors used, the cast members, the writers, the crew. Like, you were waiting in line staring at the stage to go sit down in your seat. Steven Spiel were walked right by me to go stand with Lauren Michaels and Heidi Gardner and Keenan Thompson are just like running back and forth with wigs on, like scrambling to get ready for

the show. Like you were just in the same place as everybody else. It's unbelievable. How is it they've never had dudes in the in the in the in the crowd or whatever that like try and interact with all of the like scenes and skits and things like that is. I feel like that doesn't really happen that much. I do think look I got lucky getting a floor seat but I I Matt Bellany got me the ticket basically shouts out to Matt and I do think that the people who sit on the floor seats often have an So maybe they're more trusted to not do something stupid. But they really harp on you. You have to turn your phone off.

They tell you like 10 times. They say if you even touch your phone, they'll kick you out and you can't come back in. So like, and honestly, if you're going to S&L, I think it's because you love it and you want to be there. And you want, you want this to succeed. That's kind of the whole thing is you feel like you're a part of it. That's awesome. I can't believe you're in the same hallway that they all use. That's crazy to me.

It's unreal. And Lauren is pacing around watching the sketches, like literally is he still nervous after all of us? these years just watching every skit. Yep, pacing around, hands in his pockets, people come up and talk to him. Anytime all the cast member, like, pass him, they always shake his hand. It's like the coolest thing in the world. There's not. It's a one of one. When they did thank you, Lauren, did you like yell thank you Lauren or no. Yeah, Timmy didn't look at me. I was trying to catch eyes with Timmy. I was like, hey, BS pod. What are we doing? Wait, did he think himself at the end? He did not. He thanked, there was some like surprise guests. Like he thanked Adam Sandler, Lynn, Manuel Miranda was there and did a

Hamilton thing. And he thanked James Blake, who played the piano as he sang. Oh, cool. That's amazing. That's really same. Yeah. Sounds safe. I can't, that's crazy. So, Spielberg. Is he tall? Spielberg tall? Spielberg's tiny. So is Lauren. They're both like five, seven. But Timmy. Timmy's probably 510. Really? Oh, okay. Do you think he could take him? Timmy's thin. They bulk, they put a lot of layers on him, thick pants. Yeah, but he's like, he's done, he's done a bunch of training for fighting and shit being in Dune. and he was in the king. He did a bunch of fighting in that.

He was training with, what's his face? I can't remember his name now. The guy, the trainer and dude, or gunny sack or whatever his name is. Gumme's Maca? Did he play in the 1940 bears?

No, not Gunny sack. Fuck. What's the guy who trains him in Dune? Josh Brolin? Yeah, Josh Brolin's name in the Dune. Matthew Broderick,

I think it is. I think it's Broderick. Do you think Timothy Shalme could beat Cam Newton in a fight? Probably, yeah. He would riz him to Gurney Halleck is what I was trying to do. Gurney, not Gunny.

Okay, close enough. Gurney Hallick? The name's in Dune are pretty wild. Dunkin' Idaho? Come on. Oh, yeah. That's Maboah, right? They needed to change that one.

That's ridiculous. They need to take some Hollywood, you know, just change up the things a little bit. Change the name from Duncan Idaho. Maybe that would piss off the book, people. Duncan Idaho sounds like a character in Barbie. Like, that doesn't work. Yeah, you're telling me I'm on some planet Aracas in 3,000, whatever.

Idaho's not on my mind. Like, come on. Yeah. Taking me out of this thing. Gurney Hallick. Gurney Hallick. Oh, my God. All right.

Well, thank you to Gurney. Thank you, Lauren. And thank you, thank you, Matt Bellany. Yeah. Thank you, Tim, Tim, Salame, Bob Dylan.

He played two deep cuts, Shalame, which was a classy move. Really smart call. He played like an electric Bob Dylan song and then another one that was like lesser known. And then kind of like a slam poetry,

Bob Dylan thing that I was also unaware of. But smart move by Timmy because Bob Dylan is known for not wanting to appease the audience. Timmy, the whole movie of A Complete Unknown is Bob Dylan refusing to cave to what like marketers and the people all around him want. So if Timmy were to walk out and done like a complete unknown or something, I think that would have betrayed Bob Dylan's like what his whole thing is. So I thought it was kind of cool that he did a bunch of no names. And I think that's why we're so inspired by Timothy Chalabay because similarly we do a podcast and we've been doing this for like, you know, five years now. And we have no idea how advertising works still.

No. I'll give out free ads left and right. You have no idea how that thing works. Yeah. What can I shout out? Poppy again, love Poppy. How many other free ads? TK.

Texas is like, why are all these, why are all these like pancreatic cancer drug ads running on these football games? I just don't understand how the money on that all works. Like, is there a big enough audience for running multiple, like, prime time ads in these games?

It seems like those would cost a lot. I just don't understand the economics of it. I don't understand the economics of it. I don't understand. understand marketing. I think they do cost a lot, but also pharmaceutical companies are like the richest. So it probably doesn't matter to them. I think they figured out what they got going on. They're just throwing their money away. I don't think that. I was going to ask if D.K. has ever been compelled to buy a drug based on a pharmaceutical ad. Well, just it's like that one specific, that one specific drug is like for late stage metastatic, pancreatic cancer and it's technically radioactive. So there's all the, two thirds of the ad is just them talking about how you can't be around anyone if you're taking it. And it's just, I'm just like, I don't understand why is this in a, like, a primetime championship round football game three or four times. In theory, if you have cancer, you like would go to a doctor to get your drugs instead of just watching the Chiefs game. Right.

How many drugs can you guys name, like from those commercials? Those like, like a lot more than I care to admit. They have such crazy-ass names. Paxlovod for COVID. Oh, Paxilovid. That was a great one. There's one that sounds. Araxies.

No, that... Keep going. Keep going. That's a dragon. Sky Rizzi. Sky Rizzi. That's the one that's like, it's K Smog and Sky Rizzi. The Dyeh is Sky Rizzi.

They should have named Duncan Idaho, Sky Rizzi. Seriously. That would have worked. Sky Rizzi. Sky Rizzi. I actually understand Sky Rizzi's marketing because they actually gave it a good name. The generic version Skyora. Oh.

What are the like helicopter things in Dune called? those like dragonflies. Thropters. Is that right? Thropters? Hold on. Now, now I'm probably wrong. That sounds sexual.

D.K. read the book and he was like, no, I actually read the IMD synopsis. Ornathopter. Ornathopters slash thopters. I think I said, I think I threw an R in there and I didn't mean to. You did. You said thropter.

Not throfters. Thopters. Yeah, Skyrazy sounds like the pilot of a thropter. Thopter. Wait, I kind of want to ornithopters. I'm wondering about the other ones. Oh, there's so many. I feel like.

Well, what's the one that I was just talking about? Trying to remember the name of this drug that we were just talking about. It's one of those things where when you see the ad, you're like, how could I ever forget that? I've seen that 10,000 times in my life. Maybe we're proving them right that they need to put more commercials out. Yeah. Email us at Rear Fantasy Football Achievement.com. if you have any thoughts.

One, if you're like not in America and maybe you're even seeing the American ads or you're not, and you're just amazed at the idea that there are products for things that you legally cannot buy on your own and just the concept of this. And also email us about any of these drugs,

any of the commercials. If anyone makes any of these commercials, I would love to hear from you. I want to know how they come up with the names. How do they come up with Sky Rizzi? I think they spend a lot of time. I think it's like a lot of actually. Yeah, email us about how to do the drug names.

Like the Sun came up. with that name. What's his name? Brick? Someone at the company's son Brick came up with that name. It's like, yeah, the Nepo baby was like, called Sky Vizzy. Got to get some risen. Sounds like a neck tattoo he would get in, Oh, do you remember Zell Jans?

No regrets guy. What you say? Zel Jans. Remember that one? Such a Lex. Zel Jans? No. Zel Jans was a big one for me. The Alzheimer one's going to be, the Seattle's with the couples in the bathtubs is always like the all time.

I'm iconic. Yeah. Yeah. There's like the Christmas Corona commercial in Mexico and then there's the bathtub Seattle. Those are the top two, Mount Rushmore. Oh my God. All right. Email some of Infancy Football at Juba.com about the drug commercials and what else do we want to hear from?

Football. Football, yeah, yeah. Stick with the NFL draft show. Are there any actors you think could beat up Cam Newton? Yeah. Who's the most famous person who could beat up Cam Newton? Is there a single actor that could beat up Cam Newton? No way. taking Seagal. Seagull's getting AARP.

Well, probably not because he's in Russia, but... He's learning all kinds of crazy shit over there. Also, yeah, also, we're going to do a big end-of-season mailbag, actually, after the Super Bowl end. So start getting the... Wrecking your brain, too. We're going to do... We'll touch any topic, anything. Next year...

We should do a, like, a top 100 actor versus Cam Newton power ranking. We should do, like, a full top 50... Who's one? Is it... Gerty Hall. Josh... Josh Brolin, taking him out. No.

He's too old. He's too old. Rock's too old, but he's probably top 10. That's tough, you know? A lot of actors are sneaky small. That's the thing. I don't know. Like, you know.

Like 40 years ago, you would have said Sylvester Stallone, but Sylvester Stallone's like 5'8. He's also, again, also like 75 years old. I know. Arnold. Wait, so who actually is like the toughest actor right now? Who has the belt? Salty Spatoon.

Tom Hardy. Tom Hardy does M. Tom Hardy does M. Yeah, he did. I just kind of think he's a little bit crazy. Yeah. The guy who would gouge your eyeballs out. I could see him like fighting dirty, like biting, like biting.

Yeah. Again, Tom Hardy, Google says he's 5-9, which means he's 5-8 or 5-7. Yeah, but what about Mamoa? Short people are also tough. Mammaoa. That's not bad. He's kind of sneaky old, though, isn't he? He's probably 35.

He kind of feels too chill to be like a killer, you know? He's just kind of chill. That's the thing, though. Cam Newton's 35, like, you know? like he's over the hill. Cam Newton is also six, five. How many actors are even six foot five? It's like Will Ferrell and that's it.

Do you think six Will Ferrells could beat up Cam Newton? That's good. Like if it was like in the Matrix, you know how in the Matrix he gets all the agent guy like replicates and just attacks him with like hundreds of them? How many Matthew Brodericks could beat Cam Newton? Matthew Roderick now or in Ferris, Matthew? 62-year-old Matthew Broder. Would you rather fight five Cam Newton-sized Matthew Broderick or one Matthew Brodick-sized Cam-Newton? I think we need to get into double-digit territory for me to take Brojrix.

Brodericks? Five is a tough number because that's like one for each limb and then one to still go to town. That's where it gets tough. Yeah. I mean, a couple are injuring themselves, like, just taking a swing. They're pulling a muscle. Man. All right.

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