The Ringer NFL Show - Championship Week Awards

Episode Date: January 3, 2022

We recap championship week by giving out brand new awards like The Championship Killers Award, the Shiva Destroyer of Worlds Award, The “Who Are These People?!” Award, the “Do Your Own Research�...�� Award, and more. Email us at ringerfantasyfootball@gmail.com. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck and Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, this is Danny Hyfitz. We are doing a mailbag episode this week. Email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com for anything you want us to read on the show. Ringer Fantasy Football at Gmail.com. The Ringer Fantasy Football show, my name is Danny Hyfitz. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Krollbeck. And week 17 is here and done except for Monday at football. Your fantasy championships have probably mostly definitely, probably been decided.
Starting point is 00:00:43 Fantasy football season, kind of over. That's incredible. Wow. How'd you guys do? Did pretty well. I'm 30 points ahead in one championship right now, so I'm feeling pretty good about that. I am not going to win my other championship right now either. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:00:59 So hopefully get that one. I am in three leagues. I'm in the championship in one. That league is the ringer league. It is me and Kalin Jones are going up against one another. It is going to actually come down to Monday night. So I will have to check my kid. It's very close.
Starting point is 00:01:11 The projections right now, it's like 52 to 48 percent. so it's a coin flip. We'll see. Shameless plug. If you're listening to this on Monday, I'm doing a green room after Monday of Football Steelers Browns with Ryan Shazier. Check that on Green Room. I'll be tweeting it out. Also, shameless. We are not done just because the fantasy football season is done. We are coming to you through the entire playoffs, the off season, everything. Craig, hit him with the schedule.
Starting point is 00:01:31 Yeah, so we'll be continuing with our Sunday awards. That's not going away through the real NFL playoffs. And in the middle of the week, we'll be coming to you on Thursdays. Just two shows a week, Sundays and Thursdays. Thursdays, we're introducing a new segment. Actually, it is the opposite, really, of our Shark Take bets, which we would recommend. Ways for you to make money, earn a little capital on the weekend's games.
Starting point is 00:01:53 What we're introducing is the worst bets of the week, which we will be running through the playoffs. So, listen, if you want to make money, go to Warren Sharp Show. But if you want to have a good time, come up with us. We're going to try to find the funniest things you can bet on. Yeah. That's what we're going to be doing. For right now, let's get to awards.
Starting point is 00:02:13 I mean, the fantasy championships, this is incredible. And there's really only one place to start, which is the Shiva Destroyer of Worlds Award. And we're giving that to Jamar Chase because he is deaf. He went off today. I was just looking at the overall, like, leaderboard for this week. He has 20 more points than the number two person. How many more? 20.
Starting point is 00:02:34 He scored 55.6 in PBR. That's more than 20 more than the number two person. Jamar Chase had 111 yards in the first half and then he had 155 yards in the second half. Sheesh. I have him in one of my finals it was the most joyous I've ever felt watching fantasy football since I was a child since I was a wee lad.
Starting point is 00:02:58 We have back-to-back years now of a player putting up 50 plus to ruin your fantasy championship. Last year it was Alvin Camara on Christmas Day, put up 56 and now we have Jamar Chase putting up 50 damn points. To be clear. Unbelievable day. Again, the 155 in the second half is more than any player had today in a whole game,
Starting point is 00:03:18 including Devante Adams. 111 in the first half is more than every receiver except three people. So there are so many numbers I have in Jamar Chase. Again, can I just go through a list of all the things Jamar Chase did today? Let's celebrate Jamar Chase. 266 yards is the most receiving yards in a game by a rookie in NFL history. Ever. It is also the most receiving.
Starting point is 00:03:39 yards in a game in Bengals history. They had Chad Johnson and AJ Green. He's already set the franchise record for yards in a game for the Bengals. He is 12 yards shy of the Bengals single season receiving record. Wow. He is like, A.J. Green, who was the fourth pick in the draft, Bengals legend, Jamar Chase has already surpassed any season AJ Green ever had by receiving yards. He's 21 years old.
Starting point is 00:04:06 He's pretty good. It's pretty good. I think it's really cool to see the way that the Bengals have built their house because obviously there was a lot of question marks coming into the year. Are they going to take Penes Sewell to tackle? Is that how you build an offense? Are you going to take a guy like Jace who
Starting point is 00:04:21 comes in with this ready-made chemistry with Joe Burrow, who by the way has been going absolutely nuclear the last couple weeks too? So I don't know. It's just a lot of fun to see. Obviously there's different ways to build an offense and it's just cool to see that the Bengals actually, the things that they're doing are working. Jamar Chase's. This team has moxie, though.
Starting point is 00:04:40 They're like fun to watch. They have gall. Like that third and 27, they're at midfield, there's like a few minutes left. Tie game. Third and 27, what would you do, right?
Starting point is 00:04:50 What you do is like, oh, I will throw a screen, get 10 yards, settle for fourth and 17, kick a field goal, we'll go up. No, they threw a go route. 30-yard completion
Starting point is 00:05:00 of Jamar Chase on third and 27, passed up the field goal opportunity, and then they just went for it. That's what, it's crazy, what they do. They had the whole sequence down when they went for it and fourth of one, which was probably crazy. But like, they're aggressive. They're not afraid of anybody. Burrow is like a stone cold killer. I just, I cannot say enough about this. I thought it was so impressive. I also have to throw it a couple more stats, though. Go ahead. Jamar Chase, 1,200 yards and 12 touchdowns. The only other
Starting point is 00:05:26 player who's ever done that at 21 years old is Randy Moss. Not bad. And then also, BTW. He has the most receiving yards ever for a rookie in a season. Yeah, he's already been, and Justin Jefferson. So, and he has one game left. He has one game left, too, technically. Yeah, but I like that he broke the record before the 18th game, which is fake. It's not a real record. Like, if Cooper Cup breaks some record next week, it's not really like him breaking the record.
Starting point is 00:05:52 This is really breaking the record. It's the best rookie season ever. And, Hyvitz, you know what's nice about Chase? We talked with this on Green Room a little bit, but you wrote that piece a little bit ago about nature versus nurture and how it's where you get drafted that matters almost more than when you get drafted. And Jamar has really landed in the perfect place. Not only does he have his college quarterback,
Starting point is 00:06:11 but he's a lot of talent around him, right? Like he's got T. Higgins, Tyler Boyd, Joe Mixon. All these guys are under 25. Maybe Joe Mixon's 26. There's just a really strong core. They have a young coach. And I think it's going to be really easy for the Bengals to be one of the premier offenses in the league
Starting point is 00:06:27 for at least the next five years. And for Chase, one, he's not going to be getting double-teemed every single time because Higgins, who had 200 yards and three touchdowns last week, is opposite to him. Tyler Boyd's a strong. slot receiver. There's just like a lot of good going on with Cincinnati. Can you imagine if they took Pena Soule? It would be very interesting. I still can't believe that LSU had Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, and Justin Jefferson in the same team. And Clyde Edwards Hilaire. And Clyde. There are two receivers
Starting point is 00:06:51 and Terry Marshall. I mean, receiving yards ever. They were so good. We're getting really spoiled by rookie wide receivers, by the way. Like, we can't just keep expecting this. Yeah, the last few years. I can't get over it like Jamar Chase being a 99th percentile receiver prospect and then actually that being low because he's the 100th percent out of receiver prospect. That's crazy. I also have to shout out Joe Burrow, though. 9771 passing yards over the last two games, which is three yards shy of the most ever in a two games span.
Starting point is 00:07:18 Really? Who had the most? Dak last year, but like the Cowboys lost those games. That makes sense. Like the Bengals are 2 and O in these games. Yeah, they just beat my homes. I am so impressed by this team. Also, Burroughs the first player in NFL history with back-to-back games with 400 yards,
Starting point is 00:07:34 four touchdowns and no picks. What would your guys this locker room celebratory move be? Like, Burroughs a cigar guy. He is a cigar guy. What are you doing? Are you, like, crack at a course light?
Starting point is 00:07:44 Are you smoking? Yeah, yeah. Are you doing? You champagne? What are you doing? Goggles? What's up? Recreating that picture
Starting point is 00:07:49 and God, I'm terrible at NFL history. Remind me who the guy is is this drinking a beer and smoking a cigarette in the locker room. No, I don't think it was Jonah. Maybe it was, but,
Starting point is 00:07:59 I'd probably be like that. I'd probably be, you know, shot getting a beer or something like that. You go shotgun? You know what I really like about Burrow and just the Bengals in general is like they do what fans would do like if they were the coach of a team. Well, actually, they haven't done that the whole season. I should like stipulate this.
Starting point is 00:08:20 They've done it the last two games where it's like we've got the best receivers. Our receivers are better than your corners. We're just going to throw it downfield and let them do the work. Like that's what Burroughs basically done. And I think he said this after the game. he's like, F it. Jamar Chase is down there somewhere, like, throw it up. And he just, like, trusts his receivers to win down the sideline,
Starting point is 00:08:40 win at the catch point, separate late. Like, it's not like either of these guys are necessarily wide open when he's throwing these passes. They're well guarded. It's just at the end, like at the very end, right when the ball is arriving, they have these really great moves to like subtly create separation, win at the catch point. Both T. Higgins and Jamar Chase are really good at this.
Starting point is 00:08:57 And there's a little bit, it's reminiscent of like Russell Wilson, the moonball thing where he's just like, he's throwing the ball up and let his receivers catch it and create these big explosive plays. It was such a problem for Joe Burrow last year. Last year he was terrible on deep passing. This year he's like, I'd say
Starting point is 00:09:14 easily the best deep passer in the NFL. I haven't looked at the stats lately, but I think he's like, if not the best, like one of the best deep ball passes in the NFL. Also, just like the team, I don't know. I just feels like they've immediately adopted his personality, which doesn't always happen, even if players are really good.
Starting point is 00:09:32 Russell Wilson, even Kyler Murray, like there's guys who just don't give off that kind of X-factor quality. Joe Burrow immediately has it. I mean, like, I remember when, like, Cam Newton had that awesome rookie year. It just felt like, like, that was his team, right? This feels the exact same way.
Starting point is 00:09:47 I know he's not a rookie, but much more than, like, Justin Herbert kind of is a little bit more under the radar. Like, Burroughs just, like, got something that, yeah, I think is going to, you know, go on forever. By the way, the smoking, the smoking quarterback was Len Dawson back in the day for the Chiefs. Oh, yeah. And I think Broer, like,
Starting point is 00:10:06 he definitely has like that, I guess, like, I don't know, BDE. Personality, ethos. BDE. You know what, though? I'm sick of BDE. I don't want to give him BDE. Well, no, he's unflappable. And that's what's impressive about it. Kyler Murray can be flapped.
Starting point is 00:10:22 I think some of the younger quarterbacks can be flapped. Joe Burrow is, like, like, I think if he had an Apple watch during these games and you could check his pulse, I don't think it changes at any point. He's good. Joe Montana-ish. You know, like, oh, is that John Candy in the crowd?
Starting point is 00:10:34 Like, that is kind of who Burrow is. Also, it's such a metaphor and his nameplate got ripped off. And it's like, doesn't matter about the shirt name on the back. It's about the name on the front. Do you see that? Like, his name was actually ripped the truck. I could not say enough about Burrow.
Starting point is 00:10:48 Also, don't you think we talked about this on Green Room as well, which everybody should be listening to if you want the content early, come to Green Room. But it really feels like, you know, all of us growing up, at least for Hyvitz and I, Danny, you might have had slightly different quarterbacks, but pretty much the same because these guys, played for so long. Breeze, Brady, Manning, Rogers. It's been like this core group of guys.
Starting point is 00:11:07 You could throw Rothesberger, Eli, if you want, in there. Rivers, who have always been like the elites. They've been there for like 10 years. It feels like we officially have a new core five. Like passing of the torch. It does, it feels like that, yeah. And I got to be on. Burrow, Herbert, Kyler, Dak. If Rogers to Devante Adams is like the connection of right now, burrow to Jamar Chase does feel like it can be that. And I know, I don't want to be hyperbolic and live in the moment, but they literally went undefeated to won a national championship in college like two years ago. And Joe Burrow just threw for more yards than he ever threw in college.
Starting point is 00:11:39 Last week against an NFL team, Jamar Chase just had more receiving yards in an NFL game than they ever had in college. Like, this is insane stuff. So you guys know that, so Burrow has thrown, I think, 26 touchdown passes to Jamar Chase. The average distance of those touchdown passes is 35 yards. Can I ask you guys a serious question? Do you think you could throw a touchdown pass to Jamar Chase? Chas.
Starting point is 00:12:03 Let's say it's like the goal line. Could you throw a fade to Jamar Chase if you got four downs and he's in single coverage? Could you throw a touchdown pass to him? Just no practice. No practice? Like I just walk in and shotgun and they snap it to me and they just say throw it to Jammari's running a fade.
Starting point is 00:12:17 No, you get like an hour before the game. Not only, you get an hour. 100%. Yeah. How hard could it be? It looks really easy. I think it'd be pretty hard. I don't think I can.
Starting point is 00:12:29 I'm going to be honest. Okay. I was going to say, let's just skip the LSU thing for now. I think we're going to be talking about how these guys played together in college for like the rest of our lives. So let's move on. I would say the biggest, I mean,
Starting point is 00:12:43 they're the future, you know, Montana to Rice besides Herbert and Mike Williams, right? I mean, I think we got to, we have to acknowledge. I wanted literally.
Starting point is 00:12:51 Higgins had a pretty goddamn good game last week. Like Higgins is not. No, it's the group. It's this trio is incredible. T. Higgins. That's what I'm saying. Williams.
Starting point is 00:13:02 Right. I want Mike to literally insert crickets, like the sound of crickets after. Mike, do not do that. Mike, please do that. Mike. Let's see who has more authority right now, me or you. He'll probably do it because it's funnier.
Starting point is 00:13:18 Okay, let's go next for Craigabone. Yes, this award is titled the Rashad Penny Memorial. Never wrong, only early award. And it goes to goddamn Rashad Penny. I have been waiting for this. Shout out all the old. Years in the waiting for it. Shout out everyone who's listened to this podcast for four years,
Starting point is 00:13:33 who this has come full circle for. I've always known this would happen in my soul. And it finally has. So those who don't know, I think Rashad Penny was the first time ever yelled at D.K. We're like raised my voice. I was like, why are you guys like... What was I saying? I don't even remember this.
Starting point is 00:13:47 I don't know, but between Craig at San Diego State and then D.K. at Seahawks, I felt like I have been in a Rashad Penny bubble world. And like, I have been... Do you know that he's literally the number one running back over the last month? Yep. Number one running back today and in December. Talk about a penny. stock.
Starting point is 00:14:06 Wow. Oh, God, that was bad. Crickets. Fire in the crickets. All of this was exacerbated by my morning in which I had a really, really heated debate with the two of you with myself about whether to start Damien Harris or Rashad Penny in the ringer of championship. And I decided to go with Rashad Penny, go down with the ship as an honorable captain does.
Starting point is 00:14:27 Damien Harris immediately, I think in the first quarter, two touchdowns. Yeah. I am just deflated. And then Rashad Penny, baby. Same back. Came back. Yeah. Okay, I saw this.
Starting point is 00:14:39 He had 170 yards rushing, which is, I believe, the second most of any Seahawk during the Pete Carroll era. Wow. And this is, like, of course, an era that loves to establish the run. Yeah, Marshaun. So, like, you have, like, Lynch, Carson, you know, all those guys. So, you know, the fact that he did this now, after having so many injuries and having so many setbacks, basically everyone roasting the Seahawks for you. years for picking this guy in the first round.
Starting point is 00:15:07 Like, I've just been absolutely depressed at times, thinking about the fact that the Seahawks chose pending over Chub in that draft. And it's been, it's been really enjoyable, honestly, to watch him run the last, you know, a few weeks. Obviously, there's a huge caveat that, like, he has to stay healthy. It has to, like, prove that this is not just a flash in the pan. All that stuff applies. He's going to be an unrestricted free agent pretty soon here.
Starting point is 00:15:28 So he might even stick with Seahawks. Well, isn't this the worst thing that could have happened for you that he runs just well enough in the last month of his entire rookie contract that convinces Pete Carroll to re-sign him to some massive contract, then immediately goes back to being bad. He's not going to get a massive contract. He's not going to get a big contract.
Starting point is 00:15:42 He just won't. Not even Chris Carson got a good contract. D.K., don't you think they'll just give him, like, one year, four million? I would probably guess it's going to be a one-year prove-it deal. Yeah. And just like, I don't know. I don't believe in Rashad Penny.
Starting point is 00:15:56 Am I getting that on record? Oh, I do. You don't, I mean, you know I do. Here's good. Here's what I'm going to say about Penny is I've been very impressed with how he's looked the last few weeks or how, however many weeks he's been doing this. Like, he's looked really explosive. He's got that big playability that, like, Chris Carson just straight up does not have. Like, Chris Carson gets caught from behind.
Starting point is 00:16:20 He's a very physical thumper, break tackles type guy. Good in the passing game. But I think I don't have the stats in front of me, but he has, like, a few, like, runs of 20 plus. yards into Seahawks career. Like it's like he just doesn't create big runs. Penny, meanwhile, has like the like highest breakway run rate in the NFL right now since he since he's been healthy, um, creating all these chunk plays. And I said this on the green room, but I'm, and I'm going to say it here.
Starting point is 00:16:48 And I'm not comparing him to Debo Samuel as a talent or as like a fantasy player. But like he reminds me stylistically of Devo in the way that he's like a thick guy, like big thick guy that has like really quick explosive feet. And he, like, is faster than you think he would be. Yeah, he's like, kind of like fat, thicker Kyler Murray as a running back. Yes, exactly. It's just like, how are his feet so fast? Thicker, Kyler Murray.
Starting point is 00:17:13 Did I just hear that? Like, somebody should be playing like a little yakety sack horns as he runs. It's like, nah, nah, nah, no, no. But he's just rumbling, tumbling forward. But he's quick and elusive. Plus, he's got the fifth greatest college rushing season of all time. Yeah. By the way.
Starting point is 00:17:26 I believe, Craig, you can confirm this. He was a really good kick returner in college, too. which is also like... Yes, he had like eight return touchdowns in that big year in 2017. I mean, that to me just is like, look, we've made fun of this pick for years. I'm going to finally celebrate that it's actually like paying off.
Starting point is 00:17:41 Like the kick return stuff, like that dynamism, the ability to create explosive plays, you know, lew tackles, all that stuff. Like, it's showing up.
Starting point is 00:17:51 And it's like awesome that he's finally healthy. So I really just really, really hope he could stay healthy. We can, you can admit he's good. He's not bad. He is good. I just haven't heard.
Starting point is 00:18:00 dynamism used in a sentence in like 12 years. I don't know. What are you talking about? Dynamics. You just say dynamism all the time. Dynamic. What are you talking about? Dynamism. That's the band Dich is going to say at the end of the episode.
Starting point is 00:18:11 Dynamism. The real D.B. We bury the lead here. We buried the lead here. We've been doing a D.B. Cooper word for the player who disappeared for like the whole season. A player literally disappeared today. Antonio Brown.
Starting point is 00:18:22 jumped out of the plane. Mid-flict. He jumped off the plane. It's like the opposite of D.B. Cooper. D. D. B. Cooper stole the money and left. Antonio Brown left like a million dollars in incentives on the table. I mean, everyone listening, I imagine, has seen this video or heard of this by now,
Starting point is 00:18:35 took off his jersey, left, waived, it's going to be a meme. You all have seen this. I have so many questions immediately in the moment. Do you? Forget, like, what happened because, I mean, he's off his rocker. Where did he go after them, like, like, this is the metallands? Like, if you've ever been to the giant stadium, it's not like the Titans and National or something. The stadium is very far from New York City. It's in the middle of Jersey.
Starting point is 00:19:02 You can't just leave. It's in the middle of nowhere. What about Newark? What about Newark? What about Newark Airport? Isn't that close? Yeah, close-ish, but like, he can't walk. So I'm like, did he leave the stadium? And I'm frantically trying to figure out, like, did he call an Uber? I think he did. So I found out. I found out what he did. He, there was a driver. He called the driver. It is like Odell Beckham driver, Sequant's driver. His name's Danny Chalet. He, he He has an Instagram. Danny Boy Hustles Hard. And this guy personally picked him up and they're taking like Instagram selfies.
Starting point is 00:19:36 And this guy's Instagram, Danny Boy Hustle Hard is an incredible journey. I highly recommend it. Danny Hustle Hard. Danny Shaleigh. That's his real name? Yes. He missed an opportunity to go by like Shaleigh. Shaleigh's valet, something like that.
Starting point is 00:19:51 I thought this was big for us as a Danny-centric podcast. Craig is a branding genius, by the way. Yeah, right. I got very nice. So what does he do here? So does he buy the earliest first class ticket back to Florida and just go home? No, what does he do? No one's signing you.
Starting point is 00:20:08 At the great risk of like getting into, to be serious for a moment, like good riddance. And the bucks caught him immediately and good because honestly the bucks like got stung by the scorpion. And they're like, annoying the scorpion bit them. Like, you know, they know what they were getting. They know what they were dealing with. And whatever. Yeah. at the end of it all, you're correct, good riddits.
Starting point is 00:20:30 But it's also just an incredibly bizarre story. I mean, there's been other guys who have, you know, Vante Davis retired at halftime, but for very different reasons. Antonio Brown left as the bucks were like walking onto the field to like get ready to cuddle up and call play. Because the video came out, right? And so we're seeing this and we're like, oh, something must have happened at halftime.
Starting point is 00:20:48 And he didn't have his pads on. So I'm like, what happened here? Did he like get ruled out medically for the game and he's mad about it? And then you see this video that's like, like, oh, he went out dressed and then took his pads off. And Mike Evans is like, dude, put your, put it down. Put your clothes back on. And he's like, no.
Starting point is 00:21:05 And Mike Evans is like, I'm done with this dude. And then he just walks out. The Bucks could use him, by the way, like right now with like all these injuries that receiver and stuff. It's like, I don't know. Obviously, look, it is what it is. But the Buccaneers definitely are struggling with like injury attrition. God was out for the year.
Starting point is 00:21:23 Evans, he did come back and play in this game, which was I was actually pretty surprised by it. The funny thing is after Evans, it's like Brady's back with the Patriots again. He's throwing to Cyril Grayson for the game winning touchdown. Who is Cyril Grayson? Game winner. Tyler Johnson, like, Scotty Miller, whoever, you know, there's all these random dudes. And so, uh, that could be a big factor.
Starting point is 00:21:40 Gromx health is going to be, Gromx health is going to be extremely important to the playoff run. Absolutely crazy. Do we want to, we want to go through the Cyril Graysons of the world? Or should we get, we should, we want to do some championship killers? Yeah, these are like, because we couldn't assign D.B. Cooper to these guys because they actually played the whole game. So we're giving this award
Starting point is 00:22:01 is called Championship Killers. And I think we've got to lead the way with the game that just occurred. Dalvin Cook, man. Dalvin Cook rough, had two points and probably just torpedoed. There's nothing worse than going into Sunday night.
Starting point is 00:22:15 And you're like, I'm down 12 with Dalvin. That should be all right. Two points? He had 13 yards rushing. I know the Vikings had Sean Mannion, but like... Well, that's the... I got to give Dalvin Cook a break here because, like, it's not his fault.
Starting point is 00:22:27 It's the Packers did not respect the great Sean Manion. The legend, they weren't afraid, apparently. I'm like, I'm tempted, I'm tempted to do like a hot take here. Like, did you watch, you guys watch this game, right? Like, it truly- You said, tell me Sean Mannion's good. No. Chris Collinsworth was desperately trying to tell me for three hours as I watched him.
Starting point is 00:22:43 Not even remotely. What I was going to say was, it didn't really look to me like any of the Vikings were trying. Like, it was just like, no one fucking cared. Dalvin Cook, like, was just like going through the motions. He had 12 touches for 13 yards. Justin Jefferson, too, also was a championship killer. I mean, if you have Justin Jefferson, he dragged your team to the finals,
Starting point is 00:23:02 and then you get here, and what did he finish with, like, seven points? He had six catches for 58 yards. Kifitz, he caught a couple passes late in the game. I hate to tell you this. Did he really know? He started recording at the end. I told you, I want to do that. No.
Starting point is 00:23:13 So did KJ. Osborne had a catch, too, dude. I hate to tell you this. Did you lose your matchup? I told you don't want to start recording early. Oh, it's okay. All right. Oh, shit, that's a big deal. And now I need 22 points from Nage.
Starting point is 00:23:24 Damn it. Can we, DK, speaking of players, not trying, did you guys hear, were you watching the Chiefs Bengals game at the end when it was just the most bizarre final series
Starting point is 00:23:34 I've seen in a while, but Burrow kept QB sneaking with like a minute left and Romo was claiming that he wasn't trying to QB sneak into a touchdown. Did you hear him say that twice? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:44 I did hear him set. Roma was confused, which made me feel better because I was all surprised. I don't know if I was trying that game. Yeah. I kind of felt like Roma had nothing to say and he was like, this is all I got right now.
Starting point is 00:23:53 No, I think that he was giving them more credit because I think Roma was thinking with his brain and the Bengals were making all their decisions like with their heart and that's to be kind as making decisions with their whole heart. It was the Bengals ignored all logic. Like the only way I can explain that sequence is the Bengals ignored all logic and we're like, fuck it, we're better than you were to score touchdown. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:11 Like remember in Succession when like the first episode and Kendall's like, you know, it's not like a dick measuring contest and Logan's like, sometimes it's a dick measuring contest. And that was the Bengals like try. No, we don't want the lead unless it's a touch. down. Like, is inexplicable. Do you want to give the ball back
Starting point is 00:24:30 to what Holmes with a minute, two, a minute, 30, a minute 40 left or whatever it was? I get what Taylor was doing a little bit, but there were a few calls.
Starting point is 00:24:38 Like the, like going the second time, going for it the second time, I don't agree with. The inexplicable part was doing like fourth and, and I mean like four or five inches and throwing it.
Starting point is 00:24:49 I don't care of Jamar Chase's 266 yards. You have better odds. Firstly, I threw it to T. Higgins, I think. You have better odds with Joe. Nixon. Like just also jump, jump over the pile. It's an unguarded play. I just don't know if I
Starting point is 00:25:02 buy that he QB sneaked twice in a row and Romo was like, look, he's not reaching the ball out. I don't think he's really trying on this sneak. I was like, I give you a hot take on Romo. This is with the caveat that I love Tony Ramos and announcer. I think a lot of the Tony Romo predictions were a combo of one, just basic football things that he explains much better and was willing to just say before the snap because like he didn't he's just good at it. I also think a lot of the times he's made predictions were because the announcers
Starting point is 00:25:33 get to like go to practices that like maybe other reporters don't get to go to and like he gets to see sets and they tell him things. And so he just knows like a certain play they might try in a situation because they told him. And then he was like maybe we should stop sharing those things.
Starting point is 00:25:50 Hasn't he kind of, he's cut back on the prediction things like I don't think he liked that he was known for It started to get bigger than he was. Yeah. I think that because it kind of like became, it was about him. And I think he didn't like that it was about him. He wanted to be about the players.
Starting point is 00:26:03 Yeah. All right. Who else killed your championship? The Cowboys, speaking of freaking Tony Romo. Zeke, four points today. Zeke at four points. Amari Cooper saved himself like a garbage time touchdown. C.D. Lamb had single digits.
Starting point is 00:26:20 Dack was... I guess Dak ended up all right because Dalton Schultz is okay. but like, Zeke dropping four and Dalvin Cook dropping two points in the fantasy championship round in a year where McCaffrey, Derek Henry or hurt, Saquan was awful.
Starting point is 00:26:35 Camara missed a month. Camara was solid today. Like, it is brutal to have one of the two or three running backs that actually survived the first round. And literally, I mean, are they inside the top 40 at the position today? Probably not.
Starting point is 00:26:49 And you know what? I'll say the sharks have been circling this offense for a few weeks now. We've been kind of talking about it. If you check the box score, you might not really see it. But when you watch the Cowboys the last three weeks, they have to say this, they've been more of a defensive team than they have an offensive team.
Starting point is 00:27:03 Way more. Against Washington last week, they went off. But generally speaking over the last, like, a couple months. It hasn't really been there. Like, Zeke's gotten, like, you know, cheap one-yard punch-ins. And Cedie Lambs had a lot of let-down games. Amari Cooper's, it's been, like, mainly just Dalton Shultz and Dack. But in general, the Cowboys haven't been as dominant
Starting point is 00:27:21 as they kind of seem to be. All right, let's play a game. Players running backs who had more fantasy points than Dalvin Cook and Zeke today. Okay, well, that's in. Wendell Smallwood. God damn it. Reikwell, Armstead.
Starting point is 00:27:34 Of course. Who was almost out of the league. Brandon Bolden, Austin Walter, who we had to Google five weeks ago for the Jets. And then I'll give you guys, like I will Venmo you guys a dollar if you can tell me who this guy plays for now.
Starting point is 00:27:47 Jalen Samuels. Do you even know what team Jalen Samuels is on now? Is it Tennessee? No. Damn it. I know he was on the Steelers. I am looking at the thing so I saw, but I had no idea. I thought he was on the Steelers, but that's not the case.
Starting point is 00:28:00 James Sables is on Texans now. Texas Houston. He had more points than Dalvin Cook and Zeke. Jesus. Oh, also, Levion Bell. Levion Freakled them both. Combined. What year is this?
Starting point is 00:28:15 Anyway, that's my take. Oh, and also, of course, who else scored them combined is Mike Davis. Mike Davis had 12.7, dude. He had a pretty good week relative. God. The candle flickers. I had CD in my championship, the one that I'm losing, and that's a big bummer. Actually, I think I had Zeke NCD.
Starting point is 00:28:32 So that is the reason I lost. Also, one more person who killed my championship in this league was Jalen Hertz for the Eagles. Number one, love that they're going to the playoffs, love the story. I think Jalen Hertz has done really well this year overall. But it was pretty disappointing to see him have 12.9 points this week. Didn't score touchdown. Some quarterbacks doing this name game that we just did. Some quarterbacks that scored more than him this week.
Starting point is 00:29:02 God, it hurts me to say, like, I would have been better off starting these guys in a fantasy championship. Tim Boyle scored more points than Jalen Hurts. Did he really? Drew Locke scored more points in Jalen Hurd. Zach Wilson. Sean Mannion. Hold on. I actually didn't check since the last, since the game ended.
Starting point is 00:29:18 Did Sean Mannion outscored Jalen Hurts? Because if I, if he did, I'm going to be insanely depressed. Uh, let's see here. Jalen hurt. Oh, no, they scored exactly the same amount of money. Oh my God. Jalen Hertz is the same as Sean Bannon. Jesus.
Starting point is 00:29:35 That's tough. Okay. Sean Banyan scored the exact same amount of points as Jailen Hertz and championship weekend. And that just hurts my soul a little bit. Overall great season, though. Can't really get that mad at them. All right.
Starting point is 00:29:48 Well, let's get a better taste in our mouths here. The Robert Woods Memorial Award for Cool Names Matter. I'm on Rob. baby I'm on Ross St. Brown the sun god up in Detroit he has scored now five touchdowns last five games he had 35 points in PPR eight catches 111 yards touchdown he added 23 yards and a score on the ground it was a sweet little draw play so they've been using him kind of like Deval Samuel in some ways like motioning him into the backfield things like that screens end around sweeps things like that so either utilizing his
Starting point is 00:30:21 athleticism. His targets, Amon Ross St. Brown in the last five games, 11, 11, 11, 12, touches in last time games. 10, 11, 9, 8, 11. And obviously he's finished really high.
Starting point is 00:30:34 Wide receiver 2, 6, 6, 6, 27, and 6. He's just been one of the most dominant receivers in fantasy over the last five weeks. Amon Rast St. Brown's probably one of the best waiver pickups of all time. I mean,
Starting point is 00:30:48 you were talking about the last five weeks. Like a quote, league winner, you know? One of the last five weeks, he's basically in the top three for fantasy points with Cooper Cup and Devante Adams. He's actually ahead of Devonthe, which doesn't really count because the pack, I think Devante missed the game with COVID.
Starting point is 00:31:00 But literally, it's like you picked up Devante Adams off of waivers if you got Amman Roe St. Brown. The consistency, the high level, it is insane. And I think a lot of people won money this year because of Amano St. Brown. And honestly, you should do the thing where you donate to his fantasy championship.
Starting point is 00:31:17 If I'm a huge fan, we can tweet out the link after. if you won your league or made any money, I am a huge advocate of donating to the charities of the players that have publicly charities that they support and you can donate it in their name. Amonra Saint Brown is like as much as anyone. I mean, he care, like, it's like you picked up Devante have waivers. It's unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:31:38 I mean, it's the cheapest, most random waiver wire pickup I can ever remember. A rookie wide receiver on the Lions catching passes from Jared Goff and Tim Boyle. This is like Napoleon Dynamite becoming a big movie which was like a college film and then it like exploded.
Starting point is 00:31:54 Like it's completely out of nowhere. It's true. It's not like a running back where it's like oh James Connor replaced Levi-on-Bel or like you know all these like Steve Slaten or Alfred Morris. Oh,
Starting point is 00:32:02 a running back got a role. It's like you said great. It's a rookie receiver on one of the worst teams in the diary level. And now he's like, I don't know, the third best rookie wide receiver
Starting point is 00:32:10 going into next year. Is he good or what, D.K.? Yeah, I think he is good. How good? Somebody brought this up in the chat in the green room chat, actually, he was a former five-star guy. Like, he was really highly recruited.
Starting point is 00:32:22 He didn't have, like, the most insane college. But, of course, like, part of his college career was, like, weird because of COVID. He didn't test, like, incredibly well in terms of, like, the combine. So he fell. It was, like, pretty surprising that he fell to the fourth round. So, like, compared him to Edelman.
Starting point is 00:32:39 Oh, that's an interesting comp. Yeah, I was trying to think of, like, who he reminds me of because he's not, like, a big, big guy, but he's super versatile. Very athletic, obviously. And I don't know. He, like, we were talking about, you know, with, like, moxie and, you know, versatility with, like, the guys on the Bengals earlier.
Starting point is 00:32:57 Like, this guy just, he's, like, it's just a baller. I don't know, like, how else to explain it, really? Because he doesn't have, I don't think he stands out physically in any one area. Some people just know how to play football. They said that about Alvin Camara. And I was just like, it's just kind of like subtle movements. You kind of know where to go. You understand how to turn.
Starting point is 00:33:14 Like, it's shit like that that doesn't test. and I think he's got it. Yeah, so I think to answer your question, hyphen, I think he is really good. I don't know, like, obviously going forward, it's going to be interesting because, you know, the Lions have had a lot of injuries. DeAndre Swift has been out for the last month or so,
Starting point is 00:33:31 so that's, like, been a reason that he's been so heavily involved. He did start the season. So part of the reason he didn't do anything until the last five weeks is, like, the Lions had him basically only playing in the slot when he started the season. And then they started working him in on the outside, you know, where he could run routes. He was basically playing every down after playing like 60% of snaps early on in the season.
Starting point is 00:33:54 So this is one of those, you know, we talked about this midway through the season where some rookies just have like a really, really good second half. He reminds me a little bit of Brandon Ayuk last year. If you remember, Brandon Ayuk came on really strong down the stretch. I think he was like a wide receiver won over the last like eight games. And obviously he has. IUC hasn't like lived up to I guess the momentum that he had over the second half last season. There was many variables involved in that.
Starting point is 00:34:23 I think we're going to have to be careful about being too excited about Alman Ross St. Brown next year because the Lions, you know, there could be, they could pick up another big name player in free agency and another receiver, another big name player in the draft, perhaps. And that could kind of like dilute St. Brown's target rate and all that stuff. But I do think he's going to be really good going for it. I don't think this is a fluke completely. But I think we have to be a little bit careful about like overdoing it. You know, and there's kind of like how we did it with Brandon Ayuk this year. But Brandon Ayuk also had, you know, Kittle and Debo to like contend with word.
Starting point is 00:34:59 They don't really have that one in the lion. So it's going to be very interesting. I want to keep riding with this fluke idea here. And I want to go on to our next award, which is called the Who Are These People Award. It reminds me of SpongeBob when Patrick thinks that he knows his parents. And then he finds out they're not his parents. And he goes, Who are you people?
Starting point is 00:35:16 But I looked at the top 12. Joe Burrow would get that. I looked at the top 12 of running backs and wide receivers today. The top 12 scores. Here are some of the people on the running back side. Top 12 on the day. Rashad Penny, Darrell Williams, Boston Scott. That's the top three.
Starting point is 00:35:31 Amongst his crew, Jared Patterson, Deontay Foreman, Sony, Michelle, Devin Singletary, Ramandre Stevenson. Then I popped over to wide receiver and looked at the top 12 receivers on the day. Obviously, you have Jamar Chase number one. But here are the rest. Amon Rae St.
Starting point is 00:35:44 Brown, Braxton Barrios, Jacoby Myers, Hunter Renfro, a man named Christian Wilkinson, Wilkerson, excuse me, Cyril Grayson, Darnell Mooney, and Zay Jones. All of those men are in the top 12 on the day, folks. Does it annoy you guys? Actually, I was going to ask you about this. Like, does it annoy you that so many randos can have such an outsized impact on, like, the entirety of a season. Like, we're depending on, like, a few random ass waiver wires to win this long
Starting point is 00:36:18 marathon of a slog of a season where we're, like, putting in all this effort all, all season long to research, do all this stuff. And then it comes down to, like, fucking Cyril Grayson and Christian Wilkerson.
Starting point is 00:36:29 You know what I mean? Like, does that annoy? I know. Do you, like, appreciate that that's a part of fantasy? I love it when it helps me win and I hate it when it helps me lose. Right.
Starting point is 00:36:36 Sure. What other answer is there? Jared Patterson, winning people, like, like, the fact that someone picked up Jared Patterson, on Thursday because like
Starting point is 00:36:44 it's so stupid this is a dumb game was that not clear my only solution is that maybe fantasy championship should just be week one do you think do you think it would water fantasy down and like make it suck if it like we just basically played like
Starting point is 00:36:59 best ball where like the most points over season wins no that no that's stupid because that's a fantasy baseball thing and it's not fun I can tell you that right now it's not fun because but like well I guess best ball you're saying most like total points
Starting point is 00:37:12 or like just every week, you just get your most points from your bench. Optimal lineup. Either way. Well, I think optimal lineup is one way of doing, and that's like a whole different discussion. That doesn't eliminate the question of like the Christian Wilkes. Do you think that it would be more fun to do a fantasy league where the person that scores most points over 17 weeks is the champion? I can tell you 100% no in my experience.
Starting point is 00:37:33 I don't find that more fun. Antichaelic. The head-to-head aspect of fantasy is probably what makes it the most fun, right? It's like talking shit to your friend when you're playing them in a week 14. itself in this country. Like, the difference between all of our sports in the Premier League is, like, we don't have that. There's no table.
Starting point is 00:37:48 It's like, there's nothing less fun than like, oh, they're in front and I have no chance. Like, the whole point of the playoffs is it's like, oh, you just make the playoffs and you can beat anyone you want. Fantasy baseball does this. It's called, like, it's like roto scoring. Yeah. It's not nearly as fun as head to head. It's not even close.
Starting point is 00:38:03 I think I totally agree with that with you guys on that. My other question I really wanted to ask you is after experiencing, you know, obviously, this is the first season in the NFL where there's. 18 weeks, there's 17 games that the first time ever. After experiencing changing the playoffs, like the new standard is weeks, 15, 16, and 17 are the new
Starting point is 00:38:22 fantasy playoffs. Before it used to be starting in week 14, 15, and 16. Because the NFL, when they moved to the 18 game season, they have buys now stretching through week 14. That's the real problem. I guess my question is, what's your impression of this?
Starting point is 00:38:38 Do you have the inkling that you want to go back to the old way? Because I actually still have a few leagues that started in week 14. It was weird. Yeah, it was weird. It was weird. It was a bit weird to have that, but like, I don't know. Like, part of me is like, I kind of want to go back to the old way next year.
Starting point is 00:38:54 Like, skip the week 17. Maybe that's just because it's, there was so much chaos from COVID this year that it made it seem like, I don't know. The playoffs were just a fucking crap shoot. Like, there's just so many guys on COVID list. Like, these, like, quote, championship rosters were just like, what, like, half. people that you picked up on the waiver wire just like in the last three weeks.
Starting point is 00:39:16 I honestly that this year more than others, like looking at this list, it does feel this year more than others that the waiver wire, really it's an argument for zero running back. Like, because it is incredible to look at the top 12 running backs for the fantasy championship week
Starting point is 00:39:28 and seven of these top 12 guys were picked up on waivers this season. Elijah Mitchell a long time ago and like the other six from like the last two months. It's an argument against just like drafting in general. Like drafts just don't fucking matter. Just be quick on the waiver wire. Well, we're going to be shameless plug.
Starting point is 00:39:43 We did plug like all of these guys at certain points. Yeah. And as wrong as I was about Mike Davis, I want to shout out everyone who had the faith in me to keep Sony Michelle on their bench for a long time because he is the number three running back over the last month. Yeah, you were on that. I will say, congrats on that. That was smart. But yeah, I mean, like our Monday waiver show is probably the most important thing we do every week.
Starting point is 00:40:01 Because if you listen to that, you're a step ahead of the game because you're picking up these Jared Patterson's and freaking Darrell Williams. I do think that, like, I do think that this season more than any other. in recent memory is proved to me that like waivers can win you would like waivers can fill out your team way more than you think yeah um all right i don't know at the end of day i'm probably not switching back to the week 14 15 16 playoff format because of the because of the buys but like i kind of feel like it i don't know i just kind of feel like so you're basically saying you'd rather have a buy during the first round of the playoffs in exchange for a two-week championship to go 1617 combined is that what you're saying i mean now that's one way of doing it basically what i'm saying is
Starting point is 00:40:42 The reason that, you know, in the last 20 years or whatever it is, that people don't have a week 17, don't include week 17 on the playoffs. Because players would sit. Number one, players, their teams are like set in stone, like their playoff position. So they're starting backups. And like, you don't want to win a championship on like the backup for your stud or whatever. Like that's part of the reason is players are getting sat. But also, I think part of it too is just like by the end of the seven,
Starting point is 00:41:12 Week 17, like, teams are so banged up. And, like, injury attrition is so crazy. Deke, I have bad news for you. Okay. The top player last week, which was your championship, was Justin Jackson. I know. And then number three was Rex Burkhead. And then also in the top 10 were Rashad Petty and Sony Michelle.
Starting point is 00:41:31 So I don't really think this fixes your problem. I think it's probably me just being myopic about the fact that, like, COVID completely came in and blew up. the fantasy playoffs and made it like chaotic. So the real question is do the championships this week have an asterisk? No, because it's, no, because it's whatever. This is, we've now, we're now in starting junior year of COVID, so like, it's just
Starting point is 00:41:54 part of, Jesus, D.K. Don't say that, you mother. Dude. God, we have to decide our major. I know. Oh. But anyway. Yeah. I don't know. I was just like,
Starting point is 00:42:07 reflecting on that today and thinking like, man, do these fantasy championships just feel weird or is this like... D.K., no one's listening to you anymore about this. Everyone's clasping their hands over their head and thinking about what we're said. We're COVID upperclassmen now. Everyone is over what you're talking about.
Starting point is 00:42:24 I cannot... I'm starting on COVID varsity this year for the first time. Jesus Christ. I don't know to move on. Can we all get lettermen? We should have... The government should subsidize letterman jackets
Starting point is 00:42:39 just for the country. COVID letterman. Oh, man. Smoking, like vaping jackets. Bring them back. You know, like the five timers club in On SNL? We should get that for COVID.
Starting point is 00:42:54 That's actually an idea. We should think about that. Let's discuss that later. Can I rant about the Giants for a second just in the form of like the Bears defense? The number one defense this week was the Bears, which we did plug. And I actually think this is quietly a league winner too
Starting point is 00:43:12 because the Bears were like, I think the most available defense to stream in a championship, I can never remember. I mean, they were available in like 87% of leagues on ESPN and like almost as many in Yahoo. The Giants are the worst team in the NFL by a lot. Like, it's not particularly close. They literally turned the ball over seconds into the game, gave up a touchdown, and then turn it over again and gave up another touchdown.
Starting point is 00:43:34 They were literally down 14 points in like two minutes. Could we just skip right to the burn book section? Because I have, my submission for the burn book is just the entire Giants offense. Like we put Seiquon in last year. The organization. What's funny though, Sequin actually had a good week. I know.
Starting point is 00:43:49 Sequin was fine after we burned him last week. Well, he had a good week, but like was he even really straight? He had 100 yards. He had no catches. Yeah, he had like 10 points, but you know. The Giants had four completions. They had 24 passing yards.
Starting point is 00:44:00 They lost 34 yards on sacks. They had negative 10 yards passing, which is like impossible. And then I'm going to interrupt you to ask a really important question. Do you think I could accrue more passing yards than Mike Glenn in. could have been jones. 24.
Starting point is 00:44:17 No, no, sorry. Total. So he got negative 10. He netted negative 10 yards on dropbacks. With the sacks? No, you would get sacked a lot. What if I just got the ball out quick? Well, no, you actually, you know what?
Starting point is 00:44:27 I tell you, you could. If you didn't pass the ball at all, you'd have more passing yards than Michael. Net yards. It's run it. Craig, the, the Giants this week had one completion past the line of scrimmage. I could do that. I could do that. You could do that.
Starting point is 00:44:41 He had two. I don't think you good, but it's sad. One had two interceptions and then also one completion past line of scrimmage. Like Khyvet said, negative 10 net passing yards. I just want to talk about the Giants in general, though. Like, not necessarily we have known for a while now, like the last month or so, that it don't start receivers on the Giants because this offense sucks so much. But I just want to like, I've become sort of like morbidly fascinated with the Giants. Sorry, Hyphitz, I know.
Starting point is 00:45:14 It probably hurts you a little bit to, like, hear that. Like a train wreck. They are so bad at scoring touchdowns. The fact, like, to me, it's just like, look, football is about scoring touchdowns. Like, that's the basic premise, right? Like, you want to score touchdowns. Like, the Giants should put that.
Starting point is 00:45:31 They should paint that in their locker room as a sign. They all slap before they walk out. We want to score touchdowns. You know, like, that's like the main premise for football. Giants need Ted Lasso. Get them in there. So bad at. scoring touchdowns. I just looked this up. They had four touchdowns this month.
Starting point is 00:45:46 Good Lord. Well, it's January, December. In like, literally in December, they had four touchdowns. They have 23 touchdowns this year, which is the fewest in the NFL. It's so bad. They have the fewest touchdowns in the NFL in the last two years combined, 50. The next closest team are the Jets, who have scored 61 in those two years. The Jets have scored 11 more than the, than the Giants in the last two years. 20% more touchdowns. And mind you, I would like to remind you, this team over the last like three or four years has invested top 10 picks, three top 10 picks, one in their left tackle, one in their running back and one in their quarterback. They've also invested first round picks in a tight end and a receiver. And they have 50 touchdowns in two seasons.
Starting point is 00:46:31 No, no, no. You're forgetting the second rounder on Sterling Shepard and the $18 million a year for Kenny Goladay. Oh, yeah, I didn't even mention Goladay. you're also forgetting the you're forgetting the $16 million a year to Nate Solder who was literally would get benched to the other tag.
Starting point is 00:46:48 Wasn't Will Hernandez like a second tour? He was the second rounder. Billy Price the center they traded for as a first rounder. It is probably, it's basically a collection of the worst picks in the NFL. I'll just say this about the Giants.
Starting point is 00:46:57 There are a thousand things I can say. My morbid curiosity, not only that, just my question. My serious, honest to God, like not trying to be facetious, my serious question. Is what Joe Judge,
Starting point is 00:47:09 after this game said, we're making like internal progress. Like there are things you can't see that we're working, they're getting good. My real question is, how has this team been outscored 76 to zero
Starting point is 00:47:25 in the final two minutes of the first half this year? 76 to zero in the final two minutes of the first half. To give you the context, I'm not great at math. 16 games. Sorry,
Starting point is 00:47:37 they played 15 games so far. No, 16. I can't do math. 16. That's 32 minutes in the final two minutes the first half. The Giants have been outscored 76 to zero in 32 minutes. Can you imagine an NFL team being down 76 to zero in a half? It's infeasible.
Starting point is 00:47:56 It's impossible. Think about how bad and inconsist- Think about how consistently the Giants do not have the football in the final two minutes for that to even be possible, number one. And then two, how awful they must be. to always giving up points in the final two minutes and never scoring any on their own. It defies logic, probability.
Starting point is 00:48:16 What, how are they retaining? I don't know. Like, am I being, I'm doing to give a deal of this? It's statistically imprised. Are you, do you like it at this point? You're starting to have fun? I feel like you enjoy these rants.
Starting point is 00:48:27 Would you rather be eight and eight? Or would you rather be this? I would say I'd rather be this because the team is so far from being good. I actually truly believe they need to bottom out like this season because they're the worst. team in football.
Starting point is 00:48:40 And they need to bottom out because the fans need to stop going. But the fans need, and that's when the mayor of family They should bring in Adam Gase. The problem, I could go on for this forever, but the point is the- They should bring an Adam Gase just to clean out. They need a bottom out.
Starting point is 00:48:53 They need an enema, like an organizational enema. I would like to point out that when I make bad calls on this podcast, like, you know, just throughout the Rondale Moore one because that one sticks in my craw the most. What you guys don't see is a lot of internal,
Starting point is 00:49:08 improvement on my part. There's a lot of things going on behind the scenes that you don't see that I'm getting much better creating some momentum for me personally. I just want you guys to know that. That's me. And I just want to say like, you know,
Starting point is 00:49:24 there was a lot of external criticism about me plugging Mike Davis in the offseason. I just want to say those people tend to forget that Mike Davis had twice as many points as Dalvin Cook and Ezeka Lilliot combined this week.
Starting point is 00:49:38 All right. Can I get into the Not Mad Just Disappointed Award? This player might shock you that I picked them. Cooper Cup. Come on, dude. 95 yards to the touchdown. 18 points, that's it.
Starting point is 00:49:53 We're all gluttons. We're gluttons now. We're all Gus says gloop with Cooper Cup. 95 yards is the third lowest total of the year for him. So you could be better, dude. That's a great stat. I guarantee you people are disappointed with his 18th. people who have him in the championship.
Starting point is 00:50:09 So what did he finish among receivers? Obviously, Monday night has not happened yet. He is one, two, three, four, five, six. That's pretty good. Yeah, six. But it was 18 points, you know? I don't know. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:29 I'm not mad. Win you, your week. Didn't lose it for you? 18 is honestly like baseline, I think, for Cooper Cup now. Like, if he gets anything less than 20, I'm like, ugh. Trying to figure out if you're, like, tongue and cheek or if you're dead serious.
Starting point is 00:50:46 Like, you're picking, mad at Cooper Cuff. If I text my buddy, Chase, I think, who has him in his, in the fantasy championship, I bet you he was a little disappointed today. Needed him to go off. Yeah. I saw this from Mike Clay. Cooper Cup had 13 top 10 fantasy weeks this year.
Starting point is 00:51:05 The next closest was Debo and Devonte was seven. Okay, last award here. This is my award. I call it the Do Your Own Research Award, the apropos of the moment. This is about, it's kind of about Dan Campbell and also D'Andre Swift. So D'Andre Swift was making his return today
Starting point is 00:51:25 from a multi-week injury, and I imagine a lot of people plugged them into their lineup. People in the playoffs playing third or first, or trying to avoid the toilet ball, whatever it may be. Because D'Andre Swift's been really good. This was a quote from Dan Campbell
Starting point is 00:51:38 the head coach himself on Thursday this week. When he was asked why they were bringing back DeAndre Swift, he responded, we feel like we're in a place where let's go, cut him loose, and let him continue to grow and get better. And he went on to say, the way we go into next year, he's that much better for it. And I was like, great, DeAndre Swift, this will be awesome. They're just going to let him lose, let him progress as a young player.
Starting point is 00:52:01 Four carries. Good segue. And not only that, like two kids. You can be like, well, they got killed. Well, he had two catches, too. So my recommendation, you folks at home, do your own research. Don't listen to this. Don't listen to Dan Campbell.
Starting point is 00:52:17 Let's cut them loose. They did kind of cut them loose so you think about it. That's brutal. That's brutal. Yeah. Don't listen to that ever again. Should we burn Dan Campbell? No, he's that.
Starting point is 00:52:30 I like that. I like Dan Campbell. Wait, are we burning the Giants? Are we burning Antonio Brown or are we burning fresh-run picks? I mean, I'm down to burn the Giants. I think the Giants need to be on record as in the burn book. It's funny that we burn Sake 1 and then just the Giants the week after. I mean, let's be honest, this is like we're burning it.
Starting point is 00:52:49 There's this, the season's over. Like it doesn't make any difference now, but I just want it to be on the record. No, this is like when we burned Rahimo's during week one, which was really harsh, by the way. And then we're like, you know what, let's just skip. Let's just burn Kyle Shanahan. Let's just go to the source here. Let's just kill the root. Looking back at our burn book,
Starting point is 00:53:07 we should just burn the Giants first. When I see week two, we burned Marquez-Calloy, I can't even believe he was in our collective consciousness enough to burn him. Like, looking back, I'm like, he had like a huge preseason, though. I know. He was like,
Starting point is 00:53:18 the Cooper Cup of segments this year was the burn book. Like Cooper Cup, the burn book was just absolutely crushing at 13. Just red hot. Yeah, yeah, 13. To recap, we burned, week one. Yeah. We burned Rahim Moster because we were mad that we were like,
Starting point is 00:53:34 well, it'd be good if you got hurt and got hurt and got hurt in like the second touch of his, of the season. Marcus Calloway in week two. Week three, we burn Kyle Shanahan for the collective benching of IUC
Starting point is 00:53:42 and the healthy scratching of Tray Sermen, although now I say healthy scratching. Tray Sermin was healthy scratch. A healthy dose of scratching.
Starting point is 00:53:52 Week four, we gave up on Mike Davis, RIP. Week five, we burned Alan Robinson. Yep. Week six, we burned Mao's Gaskin.
Starting point is 00:54:00 We later unburned him, Calisi style. Week seven was Robbie Anderson, RIP. Week eight was Odell Beckham. Two days later, it was like Free Odell. week eight week nine we burned hulio and then he went on i r week ten we burn jarvis landry week
Starting point is 00:54:11 week 11 we burn russlewisd we burn karlinton sutton patrick mahomes in week 13 urban myr and week 14 before he got fired week 15 we burn claypool and jerry judy and then week 16 was sake one and now we burn and now we burn the giants and the odel beckon burn book was annulled because he got traded so that annulled yes yeah can i can i throw a half-bake idea by you guys this is this is really stupid so hi if it's before you you're like, no, they could never do that. Just entertain it. Okay.
Starting point is 00:54:39 Rashop Penny for Sequin? Who says no? You know how the final week of the NFL season is just kind of this weird no man's land where half the games are literally useless? I guess the people are playing for draft picks, but it's like two teams who have nothing to play for are playing and nobody really knows what to do. Here's my idea.
Starting point is 00:54:55 Why don't we gamify, game showify these games? I love when we talk about how, if I could throw for like 10 yards in a football game. Let's start doing that. integrate that. We should have it where it's like Lions, Jags week 18 now. Like some guy who paid 10 grand gets to come in and see if he can throw
Starting point is 00:55:14 for 15 yards in a game. What are your thoughts? My brain went to a different place. Now I'm thinking, like, who is the worst quarterback in America that could, like, throw an NFL touchdown pass in a game? Or like...
Starting point is 00:55:32 Or complete a pass. Like a real pass. Like points don't count unless it's 50 yards. You know, unless it's a 50-yard touchdown. Like, let's just start having fun with it. Craig, you know what I immediately first thought of when you pride this up? Do you remember this became famous? It was like the guy who was like, it was a competition at a basketball game, halftime basketball game, like, or football game, I think.
Starting point is 00:55:51 It was like, how many balls can you make into the Dr. Pepper hole or what I don't know what it was. And he was doing it like, you know, like totally like just chest passes or whatever. It was like he's not even throwing it like a football, but he was fucking dominating. I'm just thinking like bring that guy in And he's just going to do chess passes To the running back immediately Get rid of it and like You know pick up the yard touch to the catch
Starting point is 00:56:15 People throw out first pitches Like how about instead of a first pitch You get to come in and throw a fade To Leviska-Chanal Here's the thing I love this idea They're never going to let it happen Because of the insurance
Starting point is 00:56:28 These people are going to get killed Craig That's what the waivers for You think that they're liable for their health It's football It's like not another team movie when the kid gets like cut in half. Like his body is literally in half.
Starting point is 00:56:42 I just want to like, I really want to get screwing in week 18. I mean, I love this idea. I think there's something here, Craig. I think that the real answer is we should auction off these things for charity. It should be a, like,
Starting point is 00:56:52 Omease, like Ome's, like Ome's, oh, you can play for the Jaguars of this week. Yeah. I mean, if you can pay to go to space, why can't you pay to get into an NFL game? But we already sent Michael Stray into space. Jeff Bezos can,
Starting point is 00:57:04 certainly buy his way to the Jaguars. There is something we can do. I don't know what it is, but there's something we can do. Like, quarterbacks have to play wide receiver this game. I don't know. Email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. If you have an idea for a better version of week 18. Only for the teams not in contention.
Starting point is 00:57:22 Yeah. What do you do with these teams? There's an opportunity to make money here, NFL. Okay. A lot of branding opportunities here. I think that's all we got. That is week 17. That was the fantasy season.
Starting point is 00:57:34 season. Like, congratulations, everyone. What if we make the refs play? Hoculi, give me Hoculi all day. Oh, he doesn't do like day. We all know. Or like the coaches have to swap. You know? Coach swap and make you the show. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:50 And yeah, we do coach swap and you record the whole week and it's like wife swap and they're like, all right, what's your name? Like, well, that's not really how we do it here, you know? Like, whatever. Dan Campbell goes to Pittsburgh and just has to figure it out for a week. You guys keep the. peanut butter in the fridge. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:09 Did you know you don't have to refrigerate eggs? Something there. Anyway, we'll be back on Thursday. By the way, we're thinking about doing a mailbag on Thursday. So if you have any questions for us, ring your fantasy football at gmail.m.com for a mailbag.
Starting point is 00:58:20 Please send us all your stories, bad beats, whatever, from Championship Week. Fantasy courts. Fantasy courts. I'm sure there's some championship fantasy courts. Send us ideas for Week 18, anything mailbag. We'll be going through everything.
Starting point is 00:58:33 And thank you so much for everyone for listening. We hope we helped you guys win. Yeah, sincerely. Sincerely hope that you guys did well this year, at least in part to us, if not enjoyed our stupid bullshit in between the advice. I'm happy. One of the two. You're going to get a lot of that, by the way.
Starting point is 00:58:50 Now that the NFL, or now that the fantasy season's over, things are going to get weird. I genuinely think our podcast is better in the offseason. I mean that from the bottom of my heart. Yeah, it's because that's how we start playing drinking games. Yeah, I'll just start. We can do whatever we want. It's crazy.
Starting point is 00:59:04 Okay. All right. Thank you, everyone. thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Mike Wargon for producing this episode. Thank you, everyone for who've been listening to everyone who've been listening to us throughout this this whole season itself. And I actually think it paid off. I actually think a lot of these people just hopefully won you championships. Thank you, Lauren. Lauren. Thank you, vitamin C. You guys maybe don't have this in your generation, graduation song? Come on. I briefly for a moment thought you were
Starting point is 00:59:30 talking about actual vitamin C. And I was like, are you sick? Well, he's just debatable. medicine. Graduation, Friends Forever, in parentheses, Craig. What do you just think Antonio Brown is right now? Wait, wait, wait, D.K., is that the song that goes, wait, don't tell me, is that the song
Starting point is 00:59:49 that goes, as we go on, we remember. Look, it's in honor of a good, the season's over, we're going into junior year of COVID. All the good time. You get junior year of COVID out of here. It's too real. I just can't wait to get my Letterman jacket.
Starting point is 01:00:09 Should we make my Letterman jackets? I'm going varsity this year, you guys. Should we make a leather jacket? I'm going varsity this year. They're moving me up. Yeah. Bill, if you're listening, we would like to expense varsity jackets. Letterman.

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