The Ringer NFL Show - Combine Check-in: Rueben Bain's T. Rex Arms, Our Top 5 WRs, and NFLPA Report Card Leaks

Episode Date: February 27, 2026

The guys are live in Indianapolis breaking down combine chaos, from arm-length discourse to big-board debates to a wild QB trade market headlined by Anthony Richardson rumors. They also dig into draft strategies for the top five picks, why outliers make scouts nervous, and whether production should outweigh measurables this early in the draft process. (00:00) Intro (01:02) News (16:36) Measurements (37:16) NFLPA survey (54:38) Craig’s top five receivers in the draft (01:13:12) Emails Discord link: https://discord.gg/Ge8bbYHrau Check out The Ringer’s 2026 NFL Draft Guide: https://theringer.com/nfl-draft/2026/big-board#content Email us! [e-mail] Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Austin Gayle, Abou Kamara, Carlos Chiriboga, and Cameron Dinwiddie Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ring of Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hyfitts, and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Coralbeck in person in Indianapolis at the combine. We have Ruben Bain's arm length measured, or do we? We don't know. Who finds out? We are going to go over D-Ks' big board updated to top 50 players NFLDraft. Dot the Rearren.com. Craig, our insider here, Craig is going to go over his top receivers.

But we're going to cover the story that really matters as well, which is the Steelers coming and last in the NFLPA survey and not having enough players or places for their players to go to their players to go to the top receivers. coming and last in the NFLPA survey and not having enough places for their players to go to the bathroom. So we're going to hit all that. Some people keep the hard hitting news from you. But we do the work. We do, yeah. All right, what should we do first?

Let's start with a trade. I mean, it was a small-ish trade. Curious what you think. If this changes, D.K., your opinion on what these teams will do in the draft. The Titans traded defensive tackle to Fondre sweat to the Jets. And the Jets sent to edge rush or Jermaine Johnson. Right. To the Titans.

Is this a classic defensive philosophy, Sala? Yeah. Tavontry Sweat did make sense for him, sends him away for a guy that does make sense for him. Yes, I think that's what it was, especially for Johnson who, you know, reunites with Robert Sala in Tennessee. He is coming off.

So he rushed his Achilles Tennon in week two of a 2024 season. This is a former first round pick, by the way. Yeah. I don't think things have gone exactly how he expected it to do. That injury was a huge part of that, but gives him a chance to, you know, he wanted to do it. to get out apparently.

To Jermaine Johnson. The report is, yeah, Jermaine Johnson wanted to get out from the Jets, which don't blame me. Join the fucking club, yeah, get in line. He's always like,

welcome to the party, pal. Get in line. But yeah, and I think Tumontre sweat is interesting because I have always kind of liked him. I think he's huge, huge man,

massive man. Big guy. I think he was maybe my favorite comp of all time for my draft guy. I compared him to the ever-given. Do you remember the ship that got stuck in the Suez Canal? My favorite meme ever.

The boat? The little backout disrupted world trade for like a month or something. The photos of the sideways. They got caught. The Austin Powers. Like you got a 15-way turn. So anyways, that's that guy. I'm glad we get to talk about him again.

Great name too. Yeah, Tavontre sweat. Oh, yeah, Taventra sweat. So, and I don't know. He's right now kind of a two-down guy, run stuffer type of player. But there is, I know, he's a really good athlete for his side. So maybe there's some upside there. Change of scenery could be good for him.

But both teams, like still need everything basically. I was looking at the roster. I don't think this really changes much in the draft. It was just simply player fit. Johnson wanted to get out of New York. And I wouldn't read a lot into this in terms of like what that means for the draft. I agree.

This is what happens. Coaches go somewhere and then they want players that they had in other places where the coach that they liked. And Robert Sala was the coach of the Jets and he liked Jermaine Johnson and he wanted Jermaine Johnson. And so in Tivandre's where probably didn't fit the Titans with what Robert Sala wants to do as much. And he just said at his press conference this week that it will be hard him to fit in and he'll try, but I totally agree with DECA. I mean, it's interesting when the team

with the number two pick in the draft swaps to the number four pick in the draft. So, I got distracted by whatever you just sent a text while we're on the fucking camera. I did too. I was like, no way. And I opened the text. I'm like, what? Austin Taked said, official 50440 for Caleb Banks and I said, no way.

I just saw no way. And I was like, I didn't realize it was a fucking joke response. Thanks, Austin. No, it's great. Craig texted and then looked at me. Like, I was supposed to react to or something. I also didn't know how to respond to that. Sorry about that. No way. Let me ask you how you respond to this. Anthony Richardson has requested a trade,

or it sounds like the team is open to trading him that, you know, they've come to an agreement that his time is over in Indianapolis, here in Indianapolis, and he'll be seeking a trade elsewhere. I feel like, have the reports, are there actual official reports out there that Minnesota is interested in him because there was that video from a couple of years back with Kevin O'Connell and coach of the Vikings, meeting with Anthony. Anthony Richardson after a game and he's in his ear and he's miced up. Hugging him. Hugging him.

And you can hear him say like, you're going to be in this league for a long time. You got a ton of talent. Like, keep your head up. Like, you have what it takes. He's like,

I still believe in you. Totally. I mean, I would love to, first of all, Anthony Richardson, when he's playing well is one of the most fun quarterbacks to watch in the NFL.

I want him to be good so bad. Right. He had one of the greatest throws we've ever seen. Week one of the 2024 season. He threw like a 60-yard bomb. I think it was to Alec Pierce. Yeah. His feet were on the logo.

He slipped, step back, and it was a 60-yard dart to Alex Pierce, and it was the best throw. I probably saw the entire season. And that was, like, in the first quarter of the game, and by the second quarter, I was like, oh, this guy stinks. But, man, that first quarter was amazing. Microcosm for his career thus far. I would love to see what Kevin O'Connell can do with him because he can kind of do no wrong with the quarterback position, I guess. But the problem is, is, well, JJ McCarthy, I understand. But, like, you know, what he's been able to do in the past?

Yeah, yeah. Other than the last quarterback he drafted. he's been hurt. Well, Anthony Richardson hasn't been hurt. Oh, wait, no. He can see now. He can see now. His eyes fine.

He broke his orbital, but then he had a vision problem. Now they're like, don't worry, he can see. The problem is, yes. So is Minnesota going to trade for Anthony Richardson, and then have J.G. McCarthy and Anthony Richardson, and then go have to find a third quarterback that could actually start the game? I'm dubious of this, because I did the, who is the last time an NFL team was trying to develop two first round picks? At the same time? Reclamation projects while having a third game.

I started. Like the Panthers had Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield, who were both top three picks in the same draft. But Darnold was playing. And Baker was there. Can you really have Kurt Cousins starting and while you're developing J.J. McCarthy and Anthony Richardson? There's not enough practice time, honestly. One thing that does come to my mind, and I'm trying to remember the timeline on this. But I do believe at one point, the 49ers had Trey Lance, Sam Darnold, maybe that was not when Darnold was there. And Brock Purdy. This might have been before Darnel was there. At least Trey Lance broke his leg and was recovering from an injury. And it was like he'd never played football. I know. Yeah.

I don't know what this means, but there is already buzz at the combine here just like talking to people walking around the hallways here that like the Vikings like him and want him. And that's like a real thing. So I do think there's a strong chance that's happened. I know I've been saying this for two years, but I really, the person who is most going to be like I'm going to buy the dip is fucking Howie Roseman and the Eagles. I'm telling you, like, Howie Roseman is price-checking Anthony Richardson. I just think that he makes so much sense to just sit on that team.

Do you think it'll happen this week? Because the reason that this came out right now is because they're probably wanting to talk to everybody and get a handshake deal in place at least because everybody's in the same spot. This is why this trade happened with Tvantres Sweat. It's like these are where the deals happen in Indianapolis. I think I'd be surprised if Richardson got traded before, like, Kyler Murray gets traded. I feel like it happens to happen in a couple weeks. We'll say, maybe I'm wrong.

I don't know. So Minnesota is your favorite landing spot, I assume. Are there any options that you can think of otherwise? I just want him to go somewhere where I trust that the coaching staff can actually develop him and do something right with him. I don't want a team to take a shot on him where I feel like even if he has a clear path to start, I don't have faith in their development program. So not the Jets.

No. But what about Cleveland? No. I want him to go somewhere cool with a coach that has a history of development. developing good quarterbacks. Send him in the fucking Niners. I don't care. What about

Stefanski and the Falcons? Yeah. This is fan fiction now. I know. This is the only thing we do here. That's all we do here. Do you think he has the highest upside of any quarterback

that is not currently a starter in the NFL? Is Kyler a starter? Yes, Kyle is a starter? Is Malik Willis a starter? No. Yeah, I would say you can involve him. I kind of think I would probably put Willis just slightly above because of what we've actually seen him do.

He's a higher upside? Upside, maybe not. Yeah. But a higher degree of confidence that he's, what he's doing could be replicated. Hyvitz, you were early on the, you think Donald has a shot camp, but obviously he's a completely different quarterback than Anthony Richardson. Does any part, what percentage of you thinks if he's in there, you're a big nurture versus nature guy and that if Anthony DeRitchison is in the right situation, it could work.

What percentage of you? 23.6%. Nice. School of Bill Simmons right there. I think it's unlikely, but it's not impossible. I think that, I mean, just to be honest, one of the reasons they're giving up on him is that I think that there wasn't the demonstrated

commitment to being a professional that I think they wanted. And, you know, you didn't come up with, like, other quarterbacks where, you know, going to the camps when you're 14 and 15 and, like, learning, going to Trent Dilfer's elite, whatever camp at 15. And there's an advantage to that,

that when you get to the NFL and being like, oh, like throwing with receivers after practice, all these little things. studying all these things and like all this time of being a pro. He's like he was like 21 when he came in. It was really young. And so I think that that has to be established first. But the NFL is better when Anthony Richards is playing.

So I want him to be a successful starter. So I kind of keep joking, but I'm like, I think the Eagles make sense because he isn't not to play soon. And I think he needs to sit. Well, and the thing that the Eagles have that Minnesota does not is that there's a quarterback ahead of him in Philly that you can model yourself after. like Jalen Hertz say what you will like has great work ethic and if he goes to J.J. McCarthy who's just like way more junior and barely has barely played he needs to be on a team

with somebody who has a veteran quarterback. In a weird way, Anthony Richardson learning Jalen Hertz's work ethic. I think he's exactly what he needs. Just sit there and just watch this man go about his business. And then frankly, he's way more talented than Jailen Hertz. It's like Jailen Hertz is the hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. I'm not saying Anthony Richardson doesn't work hard, but I'm just saying like being a quarterback is you're almost like running the team in a way.

And it's harder. Speaking of that, the other team that I've heard in this discreet. discussion about Anthony Richardson is the Rams. That's sick. That doesn't make sense to me. What the fuck do you mean? It doesn't make sense to you. Sean McVeigh and Anthony Richardson.

How dare you, Craig? How dare you? Sick. I feel like Sean McVeigh wants quarterbacks who can throw it to receivers. You want to hit him in the hands? Like Jared Goff wasn't good enough. He's like, I need better arm talent.

I need a more accurate quarterback. Like Anthony Richardson can't throw the ball to put the NCO. I don't think Anthony Richardson's going to be started quarterback in the NFL next year. And I don't know if he will be. I just feel like if he will be. I just feel like if he goes. the Rams are just become a completely different offense and I feel like McVeigh

appreciates a quarterback who can be a genius and be an extension of McVeigh's brain and like throw it to their talented wide receivers Anthony Richardson that's not I feel like the game playing you're kind of going for. Following up on the last conversation we had in the last episode to your point about like oh Sam Darnold was bad and then he got benched and then he won the Super Bowl and came back who's the next

Darnold whatever. I don't think it's who's the next Darnold who's the next but if you're asking question who's the next top five reclamation project quarterback that in the next scene could do better. It is Kyler Murray. Like what we were saying, but Kylie Murray, Malik Willis, it's like, yeah, no one thinks about Arizona, but like Kyler Murray to me is like for a fourth round pick or a third round pick and you just pay him a big, like take on that big, ugly contract. The odds of Kyler Murray succeeding at his next stop are 10 times more than Anthony Richardson

in the next two years. Yeah, for sure. What? I was just remembering yesterday. You're like, it's Kyler Murray. What the fuck are we talking about? Because we were like, who has a better chance of being good. Kyler Murray or Malik Willis. I'm like, all right. But hence why I'm saying I'm curious. A hater. A hater of Malik Willis?

Yeah. Don't you feel like he has to get dealt last in the order? Like I feel like Kyler gets dealt with and then like Willis signs. And then it's like, all right. Yeah. Malik Willis was really good when he played. He was like borderline perfect in the games he played. But he played three of them.

I know. Richardson's went what, 21 games since seven years or whatever? But I don't know. I don't feel confident about Kyler either. I think this is a terrible quarterback free agency market. Like none of these options are inspiring at all. Free agent quarterbacks are teams that saw a quarterback every day for five years and we're like, we're good. It's still wild to me that the CX just signed Sam Darnold last year.

And no one else even wanted it. That's crazy. I'm one of the best free agent signings in any sport ever probably. Yeah. And I mean, look, I was dubious about it a little bit. But it worked out. You think so? Jury's out.

Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. You got to wait two or three years to check in any class. Going back to the Titans Jets trade for one second. I do think, I agree with what you're saying, because it's weird that the team with the second pick traded with the fourth pick. I don't think it affects anything, and they're both going to take the same positions anyway.

Because the first pick is obviously giving Fernando Mendoza to the Raiders. Second pick, I still think it's Arvel Reese to the Jets, or at least some kind of defensive end. Maybe. Honestly, I just think they're like, no one's going to make fun of the Jets if they take Arvel Reese. And I think Brick Johnson, the Woody Johnson's kid is going to be like,

take Rill Reese, Brick. And I just think they're going to take them. And then the Cardinals, I think, take like, an offensive lineman at three, probably Francis Marigua. And then Titans are at 4-ons. They still need a pass rush.

I know they just traded for Jermaine Johnson, but they had none, and they need like six for Robert Zala. So like, I think this is to get one guy and then they drafted another edge rusher and then they have a starting defense. So I actually think even though the Titans

just acquired a pass-rushers that was a first-run pick, they're still going to take a pass-rusher fourth. And I think the Giants are actually the hardest team to figure out. Like that to me is when it starts being like... Who do you want? Who do you want? Who do you want Caleb Downs?

I want Caleb Downs. I kind of don't think they're going to take him solely because John Harbaugh had some I could find it some effusive quote about Caleb Downs and I'm like he would he's too sharp and political to be singing the praises of some guy he just got there though you think after the Kyle Hamilton thing they'd be like this is kind of great having an awesome safety I thought so too but Harbaugh saying I here I could find it but he just let me find the quote because I just read this and I'm like he would never say this oh yeah he said John Harba taking Caleb Down's fifth overall would be just fine with me he said we

favor Hall of Fame safety. So if we have a chance to draft a potential future Hall of Fame safety in Caleb Downs, that would be just fine with me. That's just not something John Harborough would have said in the last like 17 years about a player the Ravens actually wanted. I just think it's strange to, you know, you see that a lot with people with the first pick or the

second pick, but I don't know. Maybe he just know who their new defensive coordinator is. Denar Wilson. What position did he play? Safety. Also, I feel like it feels unlikely that any of the first four team will take Caleb Downs.

I guess that's true. Maybe they're confident they'll follow them. I will say the other, it's that or I actually kind of think the funniest scenario would be the Giants taking Jeremiah Love. They're like,

well, we're like, everyone's like giving them a receiver. I'm like, the Giants are probably like, we need a running game. And it'd be funny if John Harbo's like, I want a running back or go to Jeremiah Love. It would be sick and then it would be like not so sick. Yeah.

But anyway, that's kind of, we'll say, we'll just take a fucking tackle. Yeah, do you have a favorite one right now? Do you have a favorite tackle right now out of all this group? I think, Spencer Fasano is fine.

I think, for instance, Margoe, I think he's bigger and he's going to go to the Cardinals. And I just think that he's like a run blocker. And like Mike Lafleur, little baby Lafleur is going to need that. And it's just such an easy, like, right tackle. You have a left tackle. Paris Johnson Jr., the Cardinals just take a right tackle. Yeah. He's just bigger.

He's like a more established run block. He's got the size. Spencer Fano, I think, has a little baby hands for a tackle. And they're going to be like, oh, you're going to take him third. And they just think the Giants will be able to get Spencer Fano out of Utah. Can't go wrong, take it a tackle. I would never be upset with the tackle. Right.

Well, the Giants took Evan Neil. You can go wrong. You can go wrong, but you can respect the decision. The Giants literally took Evan Neal over Kyle Hamilton. No, I know, but in the moment, were you upset? No, but it was wrong. Yeah, but I'm saying you're not going to be upset in the moment taking a tackle. You can be upset in the moment if they take a running back.

Yeah. Well, yeah, but the irony is process over results. Yes. Yeah, it's sometimes the results over process. It's kind of cool. Like, if you take Carnell Tate, you're going to be pissed. Yeah, because here's why. Everyone gave, I just didn't like,

the idea that the Giants will take a receiver fifth, which I think was like a consensus opinion for like a month, there's never been a number two receiver taken on a team with the top five pick in the NFL. Like the idea that Cardinal Tate would be drafted above Malik neighbors and then play behind him. Like a team doesn't need to spend a top 10 pick on a receiver. No.

And it's not like he's Jamar Chase. You know how easy it is to find a great receiver in the second? T. Higgins, who's probably the best number two received the NFL, was the 33rd pick in the draft. Like you can find. So I just, I would rather get your beaten potatoes or whatever. Or just a special player on kilob downs. Anyway, speaking to which, though, I want to talk about the measurements.

Yeah, today, Thursday, we got some measurements for a lot of guys, the one on everyone's mind, Ruben Bain. Yeah. T. Rex Ruben. We talked about this on Friday and then put it up on Monday's show. Kind of nailed it. I actually was too generous. I said that Ruben Bain had a chance at 31-inch charms, which would put him in the second percentile. I was wrong.

He is 30-inch and then 7. eighths of an hour. Just under 31 inches, yeah. So he's in the first percentile of players, which is confusing. So was he expected to come in around 31 inches? Yeah. So he basically did. Yeah.

Which is, I think, a bigger discussion of, like, how we react to the combine. A lot of people say, don't double count it. So it's like, for instance, Jeremiah Love is going to run this week. And he's probably going to run super fast. And then everyone's going to fucking shit their pants. It's like, did you not watch him all year? Did you not know he was fast? Yeah.

What are we talking about here? He broke the thing. You're like, well, yeah. He's fast. So, like, yeah, he's in the 31st percentile. Maybe some people were holding out hope his arms would be like 34 inches or something. I don't know what it was. But the point is, we all knew this was coming.

It's now confirmed that he has short arms. And people are acting like it's this huge deal, which it might be, but it's not a new piece of information. Right. You know what I mean? He is a big outlier physically, right? In this regard, usually with those guys, you usually get a little bit of a discount in the draft. But with him, I feel like you're not really getting one. So he's going to go in the top 10 or 15?

No, if he had three inches, if his arms were longer, I think that he'd probably go higher. But like, do you think he'll go in like the top 10, 15-ish? Probably in the first round? I would probably bet, like, if the over-under was 15, that would be where I'd probably set like the over-runder, like 15. Because I think there are going to be some teams that just don't have them on their board or push them way down because the lack of length. It's the hinge settings.

It's six feet tall and then you got 32-inch arms. Because they have these established parameters and benchmarks that they want their players to meet, especially in the top 15 pick. When do you think he becomes a value and there's enough of a discount to take a chance on this outlier where you're like, yeah, it's worth it? I mean, the eighth pick, are you like, that's a little early for me? But when does it start to become like, yeah? I mean, right around there? Honestly, I've got to, I got to rank like fifth or something.

Dude, commanders at seven, they have no talent. But that's not even, that's not really a discount. Like, you're just taking this guy at seven. Well, he's the third edge rusher in the draft. That's the thing because you're probably at Arville reached to the Jets. And I think the Titans are going to take David Bailey from Texas Tech. So it's more like he'd be the third pass rush or taken. But we're just talking about hindsight as 2020.

Like three years from now, are we going to look back and be like, oh, man, this guy who's in the first percentile of arm length taking him seventh overall, that's bad process. Yeah. Process-wise, it might be. You don't want that on outliers, but also he, someone posted, I forget, I'm sorry, I don't know who said this. Someone took a picture of Rubin Bain and they were like, this guy didn't even get a haircut for the combine.

Do you know how locked in you have to be to be a player that high up? He loves ball. Who doesn't even get a fucking haircut? for the NFL combine. He was like, this guy is obsessed with football. Do you schedule your haircuts around major, like, moments in your year? Sometimes. I think the first time I ever did that in my life was actually my brother's wedding,

where it's like, oh, I guess I actually have to do this now. Like before going to the Super Bowl, would you be like, I'm going to get a haircut the week before? Yeah, probably. If we have a live show, I think, you know. I do too. I have a lot to say about this. Oh, he hates with me.

Why, D.K. Yeah, you guys want to keep talking about haircuts? I miss getting haircuts. Do you have hats that you consider more formal? not really I need to get one of those like flat caps So it's like a little Little dressier you know like the ones

Yeah yeah But that one has like a bar's name on the side I'm like probably Or it says something like Bailey's whiskey or something On the side I'm like that's not Oh yeah right Paisley I think coffee or something Yeah I'm like that's not super fancy You could rock you rock the flat cap

The Piki Boats should I do that I think okay When's your birthday? October I think you should come out and do a live show The hat that you put the beer in With the tube Oh, actually, I'm into that idea.

You should do that. Okay. We should, oh, we're not recording again this week. All right, we'll figure it out. That's good. What were we talking about, though? Oh, yeah. So, Ruben Bain. Oh, I do think, so this reminds me a little bit, a different position, but it's going to be cool.

It reminds me of last year with Will Campbell, obviously, we talked about him a lot, but Mason Graham also did not have super long arm. He, like, his length was not a big advantage for him or whatever, and it was kind of a concern. The way, how high he went in the draft. I think some people were kind of, worried about that. And so yes, I think what your, your question is like, if you look back on this, the obvious answer is going to be that was bad process. And he was any, and Ruben Bain ends up being not very good. Because is your philosophy generally avoid outliers this early in the draft?

Yeah. Because also, because if you're wrong, you look dumb. Of course. Cassius Howell, Texas A&M has for a pass rusher, he's 30 inch arms, 30 and a quarter inch, which is the zeroth percentile. He's a massive outlier. It's the shortest measured arm length among edge defenders since 1999. So generally like, this is considered somewhat of a weaker class. So when you look at Rubin Bain with his arm length, how much of an outlier he is, is he good enough for you to take a risk on something like that? So you like,

where is he on the larger scale of outliers that you're willing to throw a dart at? Like, where does he rank? He would rank pretty high on my willingness to throw a dart on it. Yeah, because his production is out of this world. He jumps off the screen when you watch it. Yeah, 100%.

Every game is about him. And that's the thing. To answer your question, If the Titans and Robert Sala wanted to take him at fourth in the draft over David Bailey and Texas Tech, I have no problem with that. He's a monster. And I think, and we talk about this later. We've mentioned and Todd as well. But it's easier for defenders, I think, to overcome this than offensive tackles.

It's probably just like, they just. There's more ways that you can mitigate that disadvantage or whatever you want called because he's so, he's explosive. He's really, really powerful. He plays really hard. He plays like every snap. Yeah, he's really good against a run. He's really good against, you know, as a pass rusher, there's some people that think he can move inside.

Like, he has that potential versatility to play inside too. I think he could give guards a lot of trouble in, you know, obvious passing situations where they kind of move him all over the front of the formation. As a more casual college football fan, I feel like it's much more rare when a defensive player just jumps off the screen. And yet every time I watched Miami, you, he immediately stood out. It was hard not to notice. No, he's everywhere.

I think it's electric. I think Rubin Bain's going to be awesome. So, if it's hypothetical again, sorry, I know we keep bringing up the Giants. If Bailey and Ruben Bain are there

for you, for the Giants, who do you like more? If David Bailey and Ruben Bain were there? I actually have not thought about that for the Giants purposes. It's different style. Bailey is more,

Bailey, I think he measured out at 6364-251 today or something like that. So he's like more your standard size for an edge defender. I got to tell you, if Ruben Bain had to kick in and be like a, it's funny, because the thing we don't talk about is there's also like a move to guard it on the defensive line, right?

You're like, oh, it's kicking out to like, freaking, you know, five tech or three tech or whatever. You love interior, you love interior defenders. They set the tone. I kind of think Ruben Bain would kind of work with the Giants in a weird way. I just weirdest it's weirdest that. It's lining him up next to Dexter Lawrence. Because there's also people like, well, you have the players there. Because best player available is a lie, by the way.

We always say best player available. It doesn't exist because if we. No one actually, it doesn't actually happen as much as you think. But I just get a good player first. I think Ruben Bain's going to be awesome. You know what always has bothered me is the terminology of saying like the first percentile versus the 99th percentile. That doesn't make sense in my brain because so if you're a 99th percentile

athlete that means you're a freak. That's a positive thing. However, so if you're in the first percentile, that's bad. Ruben Bain is in the first percentile of arm length bad. Yet if you're very rich, you are in the 1 percent, meaning you are the, the one percent most wealthy people in the world good yeah it's confusing one the one percent versus the first percentile yes that's dumb to me why don't even call right percentiles like to me it would make sense to be like if somebody was a freak athlete i'm like they're in the top one percent

you're right we should just say they're in you see what you want to do in the top one percent yeah they're in the top two percent top three percent so down with percentiles but that's when somebody says they're a 93rd percentile athlete like that doesn't register i don't know what that means but if somebody says oh you're you're in the you're the one word you're better than 93 percent of people i see that guys That doesn't click for me. I think 93 sounds cooler than you're in the seventh. You're in the top 7%. You know why it's because 7%'s bad.

If I'm just like, oh, do you want like, you know, can I have 90% of your fucking water or whatever? But doesn't the financial comparison make sense to you? Yeah, I know exactly what you're saying. Yes. You're in the top, you're in the 3%. Like to me, that's like, oh, wow. That's what's confused you.

What? It's just the 1% thing. Of course. Totally. But I think that model makes more sense in my brain. I mean, math is hard. math is dumb. Cash is howls in the 0th percent. The same, that's insane.

Zero it. Just say he's dead last. 100% of people are better than him. He's in this category. Oh, you say he's in the 100%? Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree. Percentals are weird. So, Bain obviously, is the big one. That didn't land this hard. I thought I would convince one of you.

No, well, here's it. What's the replacement? Someone out there. This is why the nerds lose is that we have to get caught. They're like saying this stuff and I'm like, I didn't even track you on the, I don't know what 93 percentile means. I don't know. Someone's like, oh, he's in the 82nd percentile. I'm like, is that good or bad? I know what you're saying, though?

Because if you just casually were talking to, like your mom, you're like, yeah, this guy's arms is in the first percentile. She's like, oh, wow, that must be really long. Exactly. No, no, no, no. Like, you're saying first. You're like, oh, that means good. Usually a smaller percentage means you are elite because you're, you know what I mean?

Can I give you my rant? Sure. The arm length thing, this is sometimes when I actually have a beef with the NFL or something or like, why do you do it this way? And then you like, if you ever talk to people in the league or teams, whatever, The answer is usually, yeah, we thought of that. You're not that smart. Like, there's a reason.

Do you know what the thing is that I don't think that they actually just do it wrong? Is arm length? The way they measure it. The way they measure it. We do this later. We do this later. With Todd and Medge. They literally measure the arm length for like for a receiver.

If you want to measure how long, because a cornerback, a receiver, a cornerback can tip a pass to the tip of his fingers. So they go from your shoulder to the tip of your middle finger, which makes sense. But it's the same process for Rubin Bain, where they do it with the tip of his middle finger or an offensive tackle. But think about it. Do I block you with the tip of my middle finger? No, I block you at the hinge of my wrist.

And they literally, so in theory, which I'm sure we can find an example of this. Hand size distorts arm length. Yeah, so there's a theory where if Rubin Bain had the little baby hands from it's always sunny in Philadelphia, like little tiny hands. In theory, the hinge of his wrist could be further out than a player. He could have really long fingers.

He could have, but a player with big hands and smaller. And it completely changes your arm length. But think about how many players who talk about this. Imagine if he had like really, really, really short fingers and that took him from like the 98th percentile to first. It doesn't matter. Now think about how much we talk about this with tackles? And they're like, oh my God, 32 and a half.

It's not even 32.68 or whatever. And it's they care so much about the tenth of an inch. The percentiles too are, it's not that big of a difference from 98 to first or whatever in terms of like if we're actually talking about a couple of inches. It's like not that much. Here's what bothers me about this. I know you're probably, people are probably listening to losing their minds. I know. People are probably losing this. They're losing their minds.

But the thing is, I can't tell you how much teams and scouts, and they, they care about this. It actually is like the hinge thing of the, it just gives them the ick. And the head coach is like, nope, I got told 30 years ago that I'm not supposed to take anyone's easy. Some teams care. Some teams don't care as much, I think. I can't believe they don't fucking measure to your, I don't know, whatever. You should stand up against a wall, back up against a flat wall and do this. Yes.

And they don't. But it's just standardization, I think, is the main thing. But if they could standardize it per position, I would make. sense. But here's the thing. I understand you have to capture the historical data. So just start adding more data. Start like collecting. It could be an additional measurement. Yes. You can still do the old school way and then the hinge way. How can they care so much and not do this? Yeah, yeah, I agree. Anyway, it just, I feel like I'm going fucking crazy. Um, you can go talk to some people. I, I know I'm right about this. It's fucking insane that we tied the Will Campbell discourse and we're

sitting here. Even the hands for quarterbacks. Kenny Pickett's hands are nine inches. From his thumb to his pinky. What about from his other thing to his middle finger? Like, that's also how you fucking hold a football. Bottom of the palm to the top of the middle finger. That doesn't make any sense either. We learned with McShea and Bench said, I have big hands, but I have no stretch. From bottom to top, they're big. Left to right. I got no stretch. Dude, the way they measure these things is like a rectangle in the wrong way. What it? Yeah. We need a hand turkeys. We need to do a hand turkey. Uh, yeah. Yeah. We need to do a hand turkey. Uh, yeah. I want to see it. Overall's like, like, circumference distance. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Surface area. Yeah.

Yeah. I like that actually. We should. The turkey thing. I was going to say something else. The turkey. Oh my God. Hold on.

Before we move on from hand size. Okay. There's something very important here. First of all, Cassius Howell actually shorter arm. He's at. He's an edge rusher from Texas A&M. He's very explosive.

I like him a lot. But as long as we're talking about Ruben Bain, Cassius Howell actually has shorter arms than Rubin Bain. Zeroth percentile. So that could affect his draft stock. But the other one I wanted to bring up is I might need to change one of my 100th percentile? No, he's the 0th percentile.

So it goes from 99 to zero? No, what do you? No, he's zero. Is this what I'm like all the time? Zeroth percentile? He's dead last. Okay. 100th percentile would be like he has the longest,

right, right, right. Victor Wenbaniah is 100th percent of all right. Anyways, I might need it. If you're confused, that means enough people listening to confuse, which means we're, oh wait, can I just confuse more? Can we talk about how they do high? I'm sorry, I'm so mad at the fucking NFL. Do you know how they fucking measure these people's like?

He gets very worked up about this. This is the dumbest thing ever. There's not enough oxygen. him sometimes. You're like, you can feel his voice straining. So Peter Woods, the defensive tackle from Clemson, his height is... I couldn't possibly get this worked up about this. Do you know how they list height in the NFL? His height is

6.024. Mm-hmm. Do you want to explain what that means? 6.24? 6.2 and 4.6.2 and 4 eighths. 4. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's 6.2. And they write that as 6.24. What the fuck is with these people? It's just precision. No, that does suck. That's so... It's 6.0.

It's just tradition, really. I don't know. It should be like six, whatever, apostrophe, two, the quote, and then it's like, and then, and four eighths. I feel like, you know what four aes? Half. I feel like it was easier to enter this into a spreadsheet, so they're like, we're just going to do that.

Yeah, it's definitely just short hands and it's quick. Yes, it's quick. I'm just saying these are the same people who like everything. It's like when you're writing a check and you write the number and then you have to fucking spell it out on the line. That's the difference here. I'm just saying they care about the eighth of an inch, but they can't been the fucking hand. Anyway, I'll stop talking about what I was going to say. So for the first time ever,

short, short arms. Yeah, I wanted to mention him. But for the first time ever, I might be taking one of my comps and changing it to a different player. So, Peter Woods, Clemson, nothing against him, but he also has very short arms. Okay. And I want to change my shy hallood, desert sandworm from Iraqis, the Dune movies. I want to change it to Caleb Banks from Florida. Because this man he's built so there's like a shiolute belt yeah Kayla Banks is the biggest man in this draft wow six foot six three hundred and twenty seven pounds and here we're gonna get into percentiles six six six six six six six six six six six six and a quarter so this these are percent six six six two right how many people that he's so he's over six six six and a quarter

yeah yeah six foot six and two eight crazy six two eight to say a quarter so he's from Florida. These are the percentiles for his height weight from four defensive tackles. Six foot six, ninety eighth percentile. Three hundred and twenty seven thousand pounds, eighty-nine percentile. Ten and seven-eighth inch hands, which is ninety-fourth percentile. So just 98th, eighty-ninth, ninety-fourth, his, I guess, thirty-five-inch arms, thirty-fourth percentile, eighty-five and three-quarter-inch wing, which is a hundredth percentile,

biggest of any defensive tackle since 1999. So that's like he goes in for a bear hug that should wing. Technically, if we were getting really deep, into these comp. Shy Hulud doesn't have arms. So the length probably doesn't matter. Shosh his house! Right. So maybe I shouldn't change this,

but I want to give the Shai Hulud comp to just like the biggest, fastest, craziest athlete in the draft, and that might be Caleb Banks. Do you guys know who has the largest hands in NFL history? Troy Eichman. Any time he comes on screen? He's up there, isn't he?

He's not on this list I'm looking at. Do your wives ever notice how big an NFL quarterback's hands are the announcers. Yeah. It's like... Liz ain't watching football. It's like the female version of like, I'm up here, guys.

I'm up here. Look for me in the eyes. Big meaty paws. Big meaty claws. The largest hands, Moe Alley Cox. Oh. Tied with the first hand.

The largest man in the world. Yeah. Do you know how big? 11.5. 11.75. Which are bigger than Kauai Lenards, which are 11.25. 11.25. 11.

a quarter, Kauai. I always love Moe Alley Cox. He was a basketball player. VCU. Yeah. Anyway. What are some other measurements that jumped out to you today?

Anything? Peak your interest? Well, we haven't seen a ton yet. I think Caleb Banks was kind of like the busiest one from today. He jumped 32 inches at 6'2.6, 327 pounds with an 85 inch,

or sorry, almost 86 inch wing span. He jumped 32 inches in the vertical, which is 81st percentile. That's just among defensive tackles. That's not for guys his weight. And then a nine six broad jump, which is 96% all. This guy has huge. I mean, he's huge. He looked in in terms of like his body composition, he was, he looked more like a power forward than I was expecting. I was kind of expecting like a big. He's a little leaner. Right. Exactly. Um, so there's a lot of excitement around this.

So how is he going to go? This is well, he's a complicated one because he was injured for most of this last season to 2025. He had a foot injury. But these, numbers, I think, are going to put that, the concerns over that injury, maybe a little bit behind him. Austin just texted us. Caleb Banks' vert is the same vert as Brony James. Wow. That's from Underdog. That's hilarious.

Yeah, shout out Underdog. That is unbelievable. I mean, it is crazy. The athleticism, it does jump off on. Bronny weighs 210. Caleb Banks is 327. And they have the same bird. I'm like six feet tall.

That's fucking crazy. Bronte is 6-1. maybe six four no no no there's a lie no he's definitely like six foot six one six two which is also probably a lie yeah wow so anyway he couldn't kale banks could go in the first round i think he is a like i said it's a little complicated because he barely played this last season and it was an injury related thing so teams are obviously going to be a little bit worried about that but um you know late first early second this this the way he tested today and i'm guessing the way that he's interviewing and all that will make him make him make a difference hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on

The whole my world is. Adam Schefter just posted. Quoting Schaefter, some context on measurements taken throughout the week of the combine. Measurements sometimes vary for players depending on who measures them. To that end,

at least two NFL teams measured Ruben Bain Jr.'s arms North of 32 inches. Are you serious? Someone had him under 31. Someone had him over 32. I mean, we had this debate with McShea and Todd.

It's like, how do you even fucking measure? Where's the meat in my shoulder? Where does it start on the shoulder? Get the fuck out of here. here. This is the dumbest. This is point.

What are we doing here? Is this the dumbest agent being like, hey? Hey. Can you let them know that there were two teams to put him at 32 inches? It depends where you start the measurement. I decide with the base. This is this dying, Welles.

I, you know what? This is the dumbest thing. It is the dumbest thing. Although maybe it's not because the Will Campbell thing maybe ended up mattering. But I think it's more important for tackles and address. The Will Campbell thing, I still am upset by because it, The thing no one mentions with the Will Campbell thing is he was a rookie who came off injured reserve and then sucked. He had a knee injury.

He missed five weeks of the knee injury. And then he sucked coming back. And everyone was like, it's his arms. I'm like, maybe it was his fucking leg. Anyway, let's get to the real news of the day here. What should you wait before? So Caleb Banks, Florida, rising. Yeah.

T-Rex guy's falling. Except Ruben Bain. I mean, Ruben Bain riser now over 32. I don't know. Split the difference. It's called 31. He's levitating. Okay.

The NFLPA survey, which every year is, frankly, the most fun part of the whole week. This is the stricent effect of the week where the NFL is trying to bury this. In fact, they did get it buried. This was leaked. Do you want to explain what happened? So, yeah, sorry. I just totally interrupted you here. But basically, the NFLPA has run this survey with like thousands, a couple thousand players across the league every year.

And the questions range from, you know, how the ownership is willing to invest in the facilities, the food at the facility, the weight, the weight room and their trainers and things like that. What else am I forgetting? Field conditions. Yeah. There's a million things. Everything.

Right. Basically, everything, they're trying to get a good measure of what organizations are the best, essentially, which organizations take care of the players the most. Daycare at game day, like everything, family treatment, everything. So like over the last couple of years, if you average it out, the Cardinals have been the last place team. They've been the worst. They just the owner doesn't give a shit about the players.

Washington with Dan Sletters that it was last and then it was Arizona. Right, right. And then, yeah. Strangely enough, and I would never have guessed this, I don't think, just if I had no a knowledge of what they were doing, the dolphins are the gold standard of the NFL, which I just, I never would have thought that. Because Minnesota's been up there for a while. Minnesota was second this year.

But yeah, Miami, I agree. I wouldn't. I wouldn't have guessed that. I mean. They're like, they like living in a warm, tropical area. I also equate this with teams that are good. I just assume the teams that are good have higher grades. Chiefs with the Chiefs training room and everything was horrific.

The Chiefs got bad grades. And that's a good segue for who's in last place this week. Yeah. I was going to say. So shout out Kalin-Kallor at ESPN, long-story short, the NFL won an arbitration that they made the NFLPA not able to publish these this year. So they can collect them. They just can't publish them because they basically have an NFL. It's like obviously that's going to leak.

Well, uh, Kaelin Collar at ESPN did the Lord's work here and fucking published them anyway. So shout out to Kalin. Yeah. And who wants to read? Who wants the honor of reading? I'll gladly do it. I suppose I should do it. Yeah, Craig.

Why don't you just lead some select choices I have here from Kaelin's? So who's last? The Steelers are dead last. Yeah. In fact, wait, sorry, there's a headline right here. This is another thing that I wouldn't. Dolvin's ranked for Steelers. Worst in NFLPA survey.

It's so funny. Some quotes, Art Rooney, the owner, ranks last in the league for willingness to invest in facilities, a trend reflected in the Steelers, poor facility ratings across the board. That's the kind of thing like, oh, yeah, your grandfather is rumored to have bought the team, by winning $500 at a horse race in 1922. Steelers had the lowest rated home field in the league by a wide margin. That was a new category this year. Their locker room was graded an F.

The players reported that, quote, the locker room only has five bathroom stalls for the entire team. This is wild. I think that's the craziest thing I've ever heard in 10 years. Yeah. This to me is insane. That is less than half of the bathrooms in Russell Wilson's home in Denver. Russell Wilson's house had 12.

The bathrooms per capita are just absolutely atrocious. You get year to have players like... We're talking at a minimum one stall for 10 guys. Russell Wilson's... And they're all in the locker room at the same time, though. It's not like a normal thing. Russell Wilson's house had four bedrooms, 12 bathrooms. The Steelers have 55 guys in the team.

During locker room's 90-man roster. Coaches, trainers, five stalls. Dude, and that, yeah, the 90-man roster doesn't even count all the other fucking people that are in the organization. Do you guys know how much these guys eat? Have you ever seen plates at an NFL facility? They're huge. This is the craziest thing I think I've ever heard.

Five stalls for an entire fucking NFL team. You know one then doesn't work. Think about the damage. Think about the damage those things are going through. It's like you know, if these stalls could talk. You know how like stuff gets weathered when it's in salt water air? Like this is like that times a hundred. Think about the damage these things go through.

This continues my, my point about the. Steelers just like this institutional arrogance that they have where it's like... They're fake. They're fake blue blood. You're not arrogant. They're broke. It's like this money. Yeah, but it's like this non-flashy thing that's like been baked into their blood of like blue collar, hardcore and it's like baked into the actual facilities and the everything that's going on with the team.

Do you think my father's shot here like his father? He's like if it was good enough for my granddaddy? Yeah. Yeah. It's ridiculous. And they're refusing to acknowledge it. They're just like burying their head and sand. They're like we're not putting in more toilets.

I can't believe this. Five fucking stalls. That's crazy. Oh, God. You guys know how much these are like a bad car? That's like illegal at a concert. Yeah. It's a fire hazard.

Right. Russell Wilson's house having more than double the bathrooms that the Steelers entire. Not only that. That is insane. The Steelers strength coach is ranked last in the NFL. What do you think about when you think of the Steelers? You guys have like strength. Because everyone's fucking shitting themselves.

while they're working out. What do you think of when you think of steel? Yeah. You have nowhere to shit and the strength coaches suck. Dude, the training staff ranks first and the strength coaches wait.

Which like, I don't even understand how it's first. Strength coaches are last. It's because the strength coaches are so bad these guys get hurt all the time and the training staff has to, you know, repair them. I can't believe this.

I can't believe this. None of these guys are strong so they get hurt and the training staff got really good because they have a lot to do. Remember how we were talking about Jared Goff is really bad on the road because he doesn't have anywhere good to shit.

Yeah. Think about, I mean, the stress that this would cause someone who is a little bit of a shy pooper when you're going into work every day. How many bathrooms do you think the visiting locker room has? Two? They have to share with this. I know they have to walk to the Steelers one. It's just shit in there. I can't believe.

How many times a day are they cleaning this thing? That's a great question. Four to five times a day. Knowing them? Zero. God. That's a great question too because, like, dude, we don't have to get too gnarly here. but like we can't stress stuff

if these things are getting blown the fuck. Have you guys ever seen train spotting? Yeah. The worst toilet in Scotland. Unless we get sucked into it or whatever. Oh my God. What the fuck is this movie? I've heard of it.

Just Google the worst toilet in Scotland. Should I actually do that? It's brutal. Yeah. Yeah, do it. About a group of guys who do heroin in Scotland. Fuck. I don't know if it's worth toilet.

Do you have to watch the scene? Well, you just watch him entering the stall because he really has to shit and he goes into the grossest stall in human history and has to make a decision. Fuck. Oh God, this looks bad.

You looking at it? It's like there's a lot of debris everywhere on the floors. Tell me what I'm. Leaking walls. Yeah, keep going. He's actually watching. Oh, my God.

It is the grossest. Yeah, yeah. Oh, no. There's no lid. Oh, no. You have to sit on the rim. No, no, you just got a squat. can't. I mean, you just, I'd go out in the woods or something at that point. You're not going

in there. He's like, he's like, dry heaving. Dude, no wonder George Pickens wanted to leave. Anyway, I can't even watch that. But, Jesus. I'm telling you, this is, this is, how many billions do they make every year? Sorry, my voice cracked. I was so upset. This just adds, like, six. This just adds to the fucking, the idea that the Steelers are just like the most apathetic team in the week. At first, I admit, I kind of felt like you were being a little whiny about the Steelers. This to me, this to me was like, okay, I'm actually on Craigside now. Dead last in the NFL? There's just, there's just nothing there now. This is why the owners hate these surveys, too, because they actually have to do stuff. Yeah. And this is why the NFLP is not going to give it up.

Was it Arizona or Cincinnati that made their players pay for the, on the vending machines? Arizona, no, no, no, Cincinnati, maybe? Arizona made players pay for box lunches, which, again, nutrition, pro athletes. It's like The easiest ROI you got is like they should not eat shit. And they would, if they took box lunches, Arizona deducted the cost of the lunch from their paychecks. Not even, they deducted it. Like, I can't even. Jesus.

That's so cheap. So, um, but there's the thing. Like the NFL, like the owners do. The owners hate that this comes out. And they're just like, we have an agreement. Out there's shit on each other. And all the usual suspects of the owners were the ones who came out in opposition to this. It's like all the people you would expect.

It was Woody Johnson's piss. R. Rooney, Robert Kraft, Michael Bidwell from Arizona, David Teper of the Cardinals. Those are all the guys being like, this is bogus. We hate this. It's like, I guess you, wonder what. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I do think that the Steelers have a lot in common with the Yankees,

with the Lakers, and with the Giants, where you have these swashbuckling Titans of Industry who made their money themselves, and then they come in, and then the kids to get the team, but they, Didn't have like they didn't have to make them and so just you got to spend money to make money and the kids who inherited it They are less willing to take risks and take chances because they didn't have to to get to the point where they are in their life It's my read on it. Yeah, so Jerry Bust did crazy shit to get the Lakers Jerry Jones took crazy risk and like you don't want to take the risk the Yankees It's all the same thing and so I think that's the thing is yeah, it's it's scary to spend the money when you didn't make the money

You just sit on your hands yeah and you collect your check every year well because there's no lid on the toilet I said You can't even sit on your hands is it please email us if you have any additional context on the five stalls if anyone's like a can we get a picture not shit in it but i want to see i want to see the facility i mean it can all fit in one frame yeah yeah only five stalls dude i we should move on but i feel like that's five stalls for an entire team that's got to be one of the worst the worst team that's got to be one of the worst stals that's got to be one of the worst ratios i've ever heard of yeah i was saying minimum this is one stall for 10 guys. I think I can't stress enough. 20 really during certain parts of the season. But the thing is they all are on the same schedule.

Like they're all eating at the same time and they're all available to getting changed at the same time. Is there a shit line in the morning? Yes. There has to be. Or is there an understanding like, hey, you got to go at home before you come in. But then they're home all day. Sometimes it's unpredictable, man.

Especially when they're feeding them like that. Maybe this is a sign that these guys got to be regular so that they get up, they go at home. They don't have to go at the facility. It's just unbelievable. It's like people who don't want. want to poop when they're camping like me i don't want to do i'm not trying to do like woods poops they're just holding it in for how many i don't know how many days these steelers are holding camping not i mean not very often have you ever take a woods poop no once how was it awful

some people some people some people swear by it i was fishing what do you mean you're in the water you're in the woods no no the woods was fishing and how did you wipe uh, I had paper towels. This is the question we all want to know. Yeah. Not toilet paper paper, paper towels.

Yeah. And you're in you're digging a hole. Relative. Relative luxury. Did you dig a hole? You don't have a fucking shovel. So no, he just left it out there.

Okay. In the woods? What am I supposed to fucking do? Fertilizer. I think, I think the etiquette is you dig a hole. And then the etiquette. Right.

Bears do that. Now we're going to have bears. anyway, wow, I didn't mean to bring that up really, but I was just picturing, pooping in the hole. I just meant like, you're going to have guys that are, that have shy bladders and shy poops that are just holding it in. That's not healthy. Tomlin held a lot of shit together. I'll just say that. The further we get away from this, the more I respect Tomlin.

Dude, he's the guy of the Spider-Man and meme. He's like holding the bus together. It's like the guy with the arrows all coming down. Do you think there's any toilets in the facility that are like, Like the coaches are like, you guys can't go in there. Yeah, like when I was in high school, like nice toilet. When I was in high school, the teachers had their like own little bathroom. Oh, same here.

Yeah, the teacher's bathroom. And by the time as a junior, I figured out what the code was. And that's where I would go to the bathroom. I saw a really funny video of this guy pretending to do a tour of like a big tech company's facilities. And it's like he's introduced or he's like giving the tour to a new employee. And he's like, here is like the cafeteria. We have a full cafeteria, free lunch, breakfast dinner every single day. Like here's the bullpen.

We got ping pong. We got this and that. There's like a rooftop if you want to go up and look out. And then here, there's one tiny bathroom where you can hear all your employee shit every single bit. It's like, what a nightmare. Every coworker just have diarrhea. What a nightmare. That is actually super true.

I really identified with that. It's the worst. Every time you have to go to the bathroom at Spotify, I'm like, horrific. I need to walk a mile to find a bathroom. This is my previous career I was working in like legal litigation support. And we would go around to all these different law firms and deliver things. And so I'm like sort of a salesman walking around. And we had in each building like a favorite floor that had the best bathrooms.

And it was like well known among people like where's the best toilets is great. So Ben Lindberg who works here at the ringer like three weeks into COVID argued that he made he wrote an article for the ringer. You guys know Maslow's hierarchy. The idea you can't really enjoy anything till you have like food, water, shelter, et cetera. Once you have those establish then you have the next set of needs. It's like you can't really enjoy the Eiffel Tower. Private place to shit might be in the base. Ben Lindberg argued, Ben Lindberg argued that the fact when COVID happened, like March 2020,

the fact that America just instantly ran out of toilet paper suggested that we had data, that the actual four things people need are food water shelter and place to shit and white. And he was like literally, that's like apparently the first thing people think of. I really, I can't believe that somebody that a company hasn't figured out how to make bidet is more mainstream in America. They're working on it. Mike Tushy, get at us. I'm just saying, like, I mean, that would solve so many issues. And it's on both sides.

It would make a lot of money for whoever's doing it. And also just way cleaner and easier. You don't have to go by toilet paper. Save money. I mean, if you got dog shit in your arm and you just wiped it off and we're like, I'm good. I mean, that'd be crazy.

I've heard dog shit is even worse. But I was always like, I heard that, you know, if there's peanut butter on your arm and you just wipe it off paper. And you just smell your arm. Like, it's still going to fucking smell like peanut butter. It's actually insane.

I have a bidet and like, shout out, Sean, you told me the worst part of having a bidet is when you aren't near your bidet. Yeah. My day is addictive. When I went to, when we went to Sweden and then I went to London after that, dude, the bidet experience is unparalleled. Luxurious. I'm glad I brought that up.

What we're just shitting on the NFL. Can I also tell you, I think we were talking of this yesterday, and I wasn't going to bring this up on the show, but I kind of want to. Because I think just in the vein of we're joking about all this. But the larger point is these teams are cheap, and they don't invest as much as you, they invest a ton into certain things and way less than you think into others. Like the chiefs almost did a three-peat.

with no infrastructure. And I was telling you guys this yesterday, you couldn't believe it, but it's very main street. I'm not going to say who, but a coordinator in the NFL was telling me years ago, and I was meeting with this coordinator,

and they were telling me that one of the busiest parts was they had to hire multiple coaches on their staff at the combine, and they were like, oh, I have like 14, you know, if you have three or four positions, you have to hire four, you're like, I've scheduled 13 or 14 interviews. And the hardest part is actually trying to do that.

And I was like, don't you have an assistant helping you? They're like, no, I have to do it. And I was like, how many, and maybe I'm wrong, but how many jobs in the United States of America could pay you a salary of two or three or four million dollars per year? More more. Yeah, your time is so valuable for an offensive or defensive or defense coordinator that you're getting like three or four million dollars a year,

but they won't pay $40,000 or $50,000 to get that person who's assistant. So you have to schedule all your meetings and do everything yourself. It genuinely makes no sense. there's so many I'm sure there's so many bottlenecks like that in pro football like there's so many efficiencies that could be had and is it because like if you give an inch take a mile like if you allow one person to have an assistant all of the coaches are going to want assistance they don't want to pay for that they're just not adding a person it's absolutely I mean it is such a bottleneck that stuff that that's tough that that tedious that tedious that tedious that's such that that tedious that's tough that tedious that's that tedious that's that tedious that's I mean that tedious that's just that's I mean to that tedious like a coordinator going to their own and being like, do you realize that I would be 30% better at my job? More efficient with my time if you gave me an assistant that we paid $60,000 a year. They're like, we're not given assistance to every coach. No, what are these people sleep in their offices?

It's because they're so fucking busy. Well, there's such a culture of grinding in the NFL where first in, last out, you know, whatever. If you ask for it, you're a bitch. That's obviously like, they're like, oh, so you're bitch. You can't do it all yourself. Oh, well, you need a sixth toilet in the locker room? Dude, yeah. How about you win a playoff game?

Yeah. Anyway, email us to ringerfancy football at gemel.com about stalls. Toilets are for closers Okay I want to go through We really lingered on that I told you we could do that Yeah

The DK you're our draft expert here at the ringer NFL draft dot the ringer dot the ringer dot com You got your big board It's expanded to 50 players It's a fucking huge board It's pretty My big girthy board Yeah

I want to change I'm gonna start lobbying to change it to my big girthy big board Yeah Yeah go to the ringer dot com slash dk's big girthy board um biggest fucking board you ever seen my big you said they would remember the URL

uh big girthy board dot the ringer NFL but I will say Craig you are you're our outsider insider here at the rear you know you're so I was going to say I kind of want Craig has Craig has been really brushing up with all his insider sources here

that's right talking to a lot of people um this is where you do it in Indianapolis right we're out late every night talking to my sources, getting Intel, watching highlights on YouTube, all that good stuff. No, but I wanted to talk to you about wide receivers.

Yeah. Because we haven't really talked about them a whole lot on this show. And your big board expanded. I think there's like you're like six or seven guys on that list. Sure. And so I wanted to give you who I thought were my favorite guys who jumped off the page, jumped off the screen to me. I love it.

Get your take. So I'm going to give you my loose top five rankings. Okay. Actually, they're not loose. They're fucking, they're locked in. Yeah, you're not moving this at all. Yeah. And I feel very strong.

about this top five. The pro days are not going to affect this. No, I don't care about that. Okay. All right. My number one receiver is Jordan Tyson. Okay. Who I think is sick. Yeah? Yeah. I think he's awesome. I think you're con for Christian Watson. Actually, he's great. Okay. And I feel like in the same way I kind of pooed at Doug Baldwin con. You're like Christian Watson. You're going to send a first one pick on

Christian Watson. But it is like Jordan Tyson. Because you've actually watched Christian Watson play. Well, yes. And when Kristen Watson is at his not Watson. Christian Watson at his best. Like Jordan Tyson to me is like if every single, if the best play of Christian Watson's like career is just every play of Jordan Tyson. He has like 2.0 version of him. He just seems so twitchy. That's, and it's the way he moved really reminded me.

It's similar of Christian Watson in terms of like explosive twitchy, you know, deep ball. Like he's really good getting deep. Like his body control. Basketball tendencies. His brother's on the calves, first of all is in the NBA.

That's crazy. And I'm shocked. He's only six two. He plays way bigger. I can't believe he's shorter than Carnell Tate. He does feel taller. Yeah. He plays way bigger than he's six two size.

It's a trait in a receiver when you think they're tall. because they play big. I thought he was 6-4 watching him. I just think he's great. And I know that he has injury concerns. Don't care. I think there may be like a little overblown. I mean, he hit a really bad knee situation.

He had a whole knee injury in 2022 ACL, MCL, NPCL, but I think he's certainly shown explosive distance then. I think it does get docked because he had eight and then he broke his collarbone, 20, 24, a hamstring issue last year. So he has had an issue three of the last four seasons. So I'm going Jordan Tyson one. I'm going Denzel Boston two. I'm going Carnel Tate three.

All right. I'm going. And then Mackie Lemon and. Omar Cooper are tied for four or five. Okay. That's where I'm at. I like that. Yeah. So let's go through it. Uh, your number two receiver is, yeah, let me let me talk about Denzel Batson because he's a really fun guy. So he went to Washington six four, two hundred nine pounds. Yeah, six four two 10. He plays above the rim. He's just contested catch is really strong. Maybe I have a type, but like his like, his like energy and in, in, and fluidity and ability at his size. I'm just like, this guy also moves just

really well for a six four dude. How many six four guy receivers are punt returners? Yes, he returns plus. He doesn't like a touchdown. Very rare. Yeah. I don't know, man. He jumped off the page to me. I liked him a lot.

And the guy who I couldn't get behind was Mackay Lemon, who I know a lot of people like. Yeah. To me, it seems way small. I know it's like, we'll see if he's 510 or 511. He's listed as 511. Does not seem 511 to me. Is this because I compliment him to Doug Baldwin? How tall is Doug Baldwin?

510? Yeah. Yeah. You're like, you're like, fuck. Now I really don't like him. I can be honest. I don't mean this in a mean way. It's just factual.

We're never going to get over the Doug Ball. I know it because you guys haven't watched and play football. Also, there's a big of, yeah, I was going to say, there's a little bit of name bias there. Doug was a TV show when we were a kid and Doug was not athletic. No, terrible measurables.

First percentile across the board. The youngest person I know is my, until Doug Baldwin was like my uncle's name Doug in the show? Yeah. I have no idea. Doug's last. Is he the last name? I don't think Doug Azale.

He's like each year old. He doesn't have a last name. I'm going to look that up. Mackie Lemon, I don't know. To me, Madonna does not seem like a top 15 pick in the Also, it's one of those nomadic determinisms, like literally just named Lemon. Yeah, he like reminds me of a running back, to be honest.

Doug funny. Doug funny. Oh, I knew that. That now sounds right. Doug funny. I.E. Not why. Oh.

Different spelling. Different spelling. Same name. Different spelling. Different spelling. Right, right. Okay. Okay.

Remind reminds him running back. I think he's like going to be five nine and three quarters. He went to USC. Yes. Okay. Give me your, do you like him? I do. What's your ranking?

My ranking is Carnal Tate number one. Okay. Who I have fourth. Why did you not like him? I feel like to me he seems high floor, low ceiling. I think he is the way, like, Devante Smith a little bit. I think he's smaller than Devante Smith. But in the same way where I'm like,

I think this guy's going to be good. I think that's actually fair because the reason I have Jordan Tyson a little lower is because I think he's high ceiling low floor. Yeah. And so I just thought Carnell Tate is really polished. Yeah, he's just seems like a good player. I just think he's going to be really good. I have Michael him in second because I like Doug Baldwin.

Why do you like him so much? I think number one What's so good about him? Incredible body control. Great speed after the catch. Good route runner. He can shake coverage really easily. He's really tough.

Who's your comp for him? Oh, it's Doug Baldwin. Of course. The goat. That was like a me question. I feel better now. But yeah, and I just think he's really tough. And the other comp that I think people are throwing out for him,

which I don't think is quite right. From McClemon? Yes, it's Steve Smith, Sr. Steve Smith was, I think, a little bit like thicker and more physical and explosive. Yeah, he punched multiple people in the face on his team. But that's another kind of like a visualization. I think the point of McKay Lemon, though, is interesting because he's going to measure in here in the next couple of days. And how tall he is will probably matter a lot to teams.

Because there just aren't, frankly, a lot of 510 elite receivers. Yeah. It's like very few. The list is pretty small. And I would say he doesn't play super big to me either. Oh, I think he does. I think he does. Hold on. Wait, Adam Schuster just posted that actually some people had McCarillum at six feet. I think the height thing is like they're probably pretty close on the height.

I am dubious of all of this now. I think it's funny because... How many inches do you get from cleats? They have that figured out. You can't use to bare feet. No, I know, but just in general. Is it, do you get like an inch, two inches? How much do you get from cleats? Do you get it? Do you, are you shorter because you have flat feet? Like, does the arch give you a little bit extra? I don't know. I have flat feet. I don't know. That's a good question.

I'm really six feet. Sure. That's what it says on your hinge, right? Yeah, no, exactly. But yeah, I would say by far my two favorites are Jordan Tyson and Denzel Boston. Tell me about how you liked Omar Cooper. Omar Cooper is just one of those guys that feels like he's just going to be productive in the NFL. We're doing the thing.

Omar Cooper. Why does he run Indiana? Gus Johnson favorite. Omar Cooper? The best. He had the most incredible catch of the year. Dude, Gus, I actually have notes on all. all these big 10 ass fucking players

and what Gudge Johnson's like celebrations for them are. It's just phenomenal. Big 10 ass fucking players. What did you say? I just feel like he does more big 10 games. Big 10. I was like, I didn't see that did make sense.

I just feel like Cooper's going to get drafted later by a good team and he'll be really productive on a good team. I can see that. Like, I don't know what's your comp for him. He's like golden tater or something. Mine was going to be good. I kind of like that.

I said Josh Downs with a power up mushroom. So like just I thought that was more like the way he. Moves. Yeah, Power Up Mushroom. Right. Oh, okay. I see. Yeah. Mario Brothers. Yeah, he's a slot guy. He's probably not going to, like, play outside a ton. I think he got moved. He played outside early in his career, got moved in this last season for Indiana, and he was really good there. He runs after the catch. He's really tough.

Just a strong one. Like, yeah. And he, I think he just moves similar to Josh Downs and sense. Like, he's got a great balance. It's so interesting. I think Omar Cooper reminds me a lot of, like, Oman Ross St. Brown. Yeah. That's who McKin Lemon gets a lot of those comps. That's because of the USC thing. See, I think Omar Cooper, I fucking love him.

And it's like really simple. Indiana, you ask Kurt Signetti. And he's like, the strategy is we run the ball so that we can throw it to Omar Cooper. Like, like, get the ball to number three. It's just what, like, that was Indiana's offense. And like, they have, they had some good receivers on that team. Yes. Elijah Serrat is another guy who's in this draft.

He's really interesting. And when they couldn't get the ball to Omar Cooper, they would throw it to him. But like, he's the man. But he blocks his ass. off and there's a difference to receivers who block and receivers who fucking love to block. And like Amman Ra is like the same psychopath that he has where he just like would read what he read the names of every single receiver drafted before I'm out loud to himself before he goes to practice every day. Even though his girlfriend got the number wrong and that's why he wears the wrong number.

We don't talk about this. Wait what? So he says he says he says he. He wears number 14 right? Because he asked his girlfriend. Yes, he has his girlfriend count how many receivers went ahead of him and she got the number wrong. So he literally picked the wrong number. They were like 16 instead of 14.

I'm not changing it now. I think more that I think about that story, I forget the timeline because Goff is 16 and he's 14, but the number should have been 16. I wonder if you do that on purpose. Why be two off? Because he wanted the number, but Jared had it. But why not be 15 then?

15's kind of lame. Sure. Isn't 14 better for a receiver than 15? 14 is two touchdowns. That's cool. 15's two touchdowns. I have no opinion that is 14 or 15 is cool. For receiver?

No. I just don't think it's obvious. You said that very matter of fact. You're like, well, obviously, 15's lame or that's why she went. We all, we all don't know this. Four rips. We all agree that. 14's a football number.

Come on. You know what I'm saying? 15 is not a football number. 14's not a football number. I'm going to look out famous 15. 15's a little more delicate. Patrick Mahomes. I'll save you.

There you go. That's a good one. I mean, he's pretty good. 1587, we might get to see. quarterback. That's not a, you know, it's different. I'm just saying 14's a football number. You score two touch and you.

at 14. Yeah, it's a more masculine number. Yeah. I get that. Visually, it's more masculine. Sharp edges, not round, not round edges, you know? There's a difference there. You don't think so? Okay, Brandon Marshall. We're still doing this. Got this list. It takes forever.

It's like one of those recipes. You try to Google a recipe and you have to read the fucking life story. Wait, can I... Johnny Blood McNally? Damn. What are you looking up? What are you talking? Best number 15s in football NFL history. he played from 1926 to 19 or sorry 1929 to 1936

Johnny Blood McNally I do want to tell you Colonel Bart Star Okay there's not a lot of good ones I might be on your guys aside now yeah no yeah alright okay Carnal Tate when he scores touchdowns Gus Johnson would be like carnal Tater Home run hitter And it hit every time was just phenomenal

Tater Tim Tebow was number 15 Oh sure You're good, what's going on? Sure, sure, sure. I just love Omar Cooper, and I think he's the classic. I think the kind of receivers that fall, I think one of the reasons that, you know how long we would joke that sometimes the second and third round receivers end up better than the first rounders?

Yeah, I completely agree. Where, what inevitably, defense events ends up has a very similar thing where there are two kinds of prospects. Like the tippity, tippity top, the Jemar Chase is, the Julio Jones are guys who are really technically proficient and have great fundamentals and route running and skills, but also prototypical size and athleticism. And there's like one or two of those a draft or whatever.

And they're elite and they go really high. But then you have more or less two buckets. Guys with all the physical tools and talent, but not all the technical proficiency. And then guys who are really great at playing football but don't have ceiling athleticism. They have elite traits. And the NFL, especially at defensive end,

usually leans toward the first round ends up being crazy athletes that could be grid. And then the athletes and then players who actually are really good, but have sealing athleticism, which is like Donovan I'm Araku for the Cowboys or um, Ebiketti who I think went to the Falcons like guys who are like sealing

athletically but like technically proficient. Same thing happens at receiver where it's like the crazy ceiling athletes who don't know how to play kind of go high. But then the people who fall are like Amon Ross St. Brown falls to the fifth round or whatever. Good football player. Great feel for the game, but physically not remarkable from a measurement and testing standpoint.

That's how I feel looking at Omar Cooper. I think he's a bad athlete, but he's the kind of guy that he's just, knows that fucking play football. He's a professional. I totally agree. He's going to fall

because he's 23 and he's older and he's like not going to test out of the gym. But I think if the Buffalo bills get Omar Cooper in the back of the first round, that's phenomenal.

Yeah. I totally agree. He's going to fall to some good team and be super productive immediately. Yeah. I like it. Yeah. I like your rankings.

Tyson one before that? I feel like receivers more than any other position are pick your flavor. It just you have the types, you know what I mean? Or you have sort of archetypes that you really,

like or gravitate to. Maybe it's fantasy related. I don't know what, but I mean, I could definitely get on board with some of these rankings. I have Tyson a little bit lowers because I think the consistency wasn't exactly there, but I understand the physical traits are outstanding. I think he's awesome. I will say, I don't think any of these guys are above like McMillan last year, Luther Burden.

I would put both those guys ahead of all of these people. Burden, I think Cardinal Tate and Tyson. I think Tyson, if he didn't have any of the injury injuries would probably be the number one guy. Jordan ties right I would I would have all these guys under McMillan it's a it's a deep it's a deeper class sick he might be he's the new cadarius Tony what he's like if cadarious Tony play football what does that mean he's like if he's been way better than cadarie Tony your favorite receiver of all time cadarist Tony the best player you've ever seen play football cadarist Tony he's better than that in a phone booth cadarious Tony can't be tackled but Luther Burton has way more a diverse

skill set in Tony. Yeah. No, I'm just needing you. Any of the casee Concepcion? He didn't move. He didn't move. Okay. That's fine.

You come to do Khalil Shakir and I'm like, okay. I think my comps really give you the ick. Yeah. That's the problem. You give me a huge guy. I'm like, watch the guys first before you want to look at my comps. No, before you look at my comps, I mean. No, we read your guide.

I know. Don't just watch them first. So at the top of the guide, can you say, don't, nobody read this unless you watch highlights first. Don't read the guide. We'll put that at the top. Dick is girthy big guide Don't fucking read it Vainty girthy throbbing guide

Vainey triumphant guide Yeah Jesus Christ Is that a guide in your pants He's happy to see me Are there any other dudes You want to mention From that you've been

You know writing about That have risen up the ranks Guys you're excited about from this week Something that has been happening this week Is the MN Worry effect We talked about this a couple of shows ago Where Nick MNWRI Was the number one safety of all time

On the relative athletic score and that kind of thing that actually does kind of move me a little. Which means he's like a physical freak of nature. Right. He's the Seahawks rookie that was awesome. He kind of changed their whole defense, allowed them to do some things that they hadn't been able to do before. I think there's going to be an Eminem Worry effect.

It also is coincidental and, you know, works really well here, that there's three really good safeties, or at least three really good safeties in this draft. And I think the three guys that I wanted to talk about, Caleb Downs, Heif is you give a quick elevator pitch on Caleb Downs real quick. He's the opposite of him in Warren. He's not a freak. He's pretty athletic, though.

No, I meant so. The physical measurements, I mean, he's a little bit undersized. He's not super duper fast. With him, it's less the athletic thing. I guess I should have prefaced that. It's the safety being such an integral part of a defense thing with him. But then if you look at the other two guys that I wanted to bring up, the first one is Dylan Thineman from Oregon, who he was a freaksless guy from last year.

I think Austin said he thinks he's going to run a four three. If he runs a 4-3, his stock is, I think, going to be on the radar big time after this week. But I watched him, I recently did his report. He's really, really exciting, really instinctive, flies around, versatile to play all the different types of positions in the back. Like, he could play single high. He can play, you know, too high, come down into the slot, overhang, whatever. He's just really, really athletic, rangy, good tackler, good in coverage, instinctive in coverage, bunch of picks. And I think he's going to be the guy that probably tests out of the gym at safety and kind of like people are going to start freaking out about.

And then the other guy who I think is very interesting is Toledo's Emmanuel McNeal Warren, who he kind of reminds me of Kaelin Bullock, who now is on the Texans. He just flies around. He's really instinctive in positioning himself to like, so like, for instance, I just picture him blowing up screens coming downhill really quick before the blocking can even get set up. Just, he's another guy with a lot of ball production. He just flies all over the place. He has good hands. And he's 6.3, or at least he's listed at 6.3. He's really long, tall, you know, smooth, rangey athlete.

I'm excited to see how he tests as well. He was, to me, not as, he was not very consistent as a tackler. I think that was like the one thing that kind of had theumen, sorry, Theoneman above him in my rankings. But they're both very, very intriguing defenders. I think with the M& War, I think what happened last year, I think they could rise just because teams are going to be like maybe we can get our version of, you know, Hamilton or Emin Worry, a guy that can kind of change the calculus of how we line up, the geometry of how we line up in the backfield. And he can be just, you know, match it with tight ends, match with backs, change the way that you play defense.

So I'm excited to see how those guys test. It's going to be a cool combine. Good players are going to. People are testing, which is not always, you don't always see it. Some of the biggest names are actually testing. So that's exciting. made it through the combine. We're here.

And we're going to cover the draft the whole way. I think we're probably going to get some trades between now and the next show we record, honestly. We'll probably be some trades that happen. Free agency is coming soon? Free agency in a couple weeks. I'm literally losing. He's choking up. He can't wait for free agency.

I just mean so much to me. We were talking about Malik Willis getting $35 million. Yeah. And we were like, me bleak Willis out here. It's just bleak. You know what? That was way funny. It was one of those things that like in the moment it's funny and then you try and recreated.

Well, he think he misheard me because I said, oh, Malik Willis has been bleak. And then he was like, Mabliq Willis. Am I right? Am I right? Shoot or shoot. I appreciate that you went for it. Yeah. Sequester myself to a Steeler stall.

All right. Let's do an email. Let's get out of here. So this is from Brett. Brett. Be bone. Be bone's breakfast was homemade egg bites reheated with hot sauce. in a coffee without milk.

Homemade egg bites. It's a good idea. Interesting. I do, I got to tell you guys what my breakfast has been recently. I've been, like, my egg game has been leveled. How do you make an egg bite? I was, I was going to ask. I don't know of egg bites, but I've been doing.

Is it like milk? No, it's like Starbucks. It's like egg whites and I think you just bake the, I think it's like a scrambled egg. Yeah, and you almost like baked them in little trays. Like in cupcake. Like an ice, yeah, like an ice cube tray. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

You like little egg cheese, a little sausage, bacon, onion or something. Rosemary? Bake it, sure. Sprinkle it on there. You're fancy. Rosemary's a great idea. Wow. Guy who has fucking playing cassidias every day.

He's like, well, what if you had rosemary? Do you ever want chicken or steak in your cassidy? No, never, not once in 15 years. Yeah. Okay. But anyway, I like what I like. Leave me alone. Anyway, Brett.

Brett writes, we're talking about high school basketball chance. Oh, yeah. High school basketball chance? Chance, like things people yell. Yeah. And Brett writes, I went to Northern Virginia high school basketball game between a private school and a public. school like 2011 um some friends there we jump in the student section sharing the team and i

our school sucked at basketball blah blah blah anyway the one of the kids on this other team was six foot seven 240 pounds top player in the state you could tell he was a problem and then one play he got fouled and went to the free throw line for a tough and one and they decided to start making fun of him and they just started screaming at him. And he misses the free throw. And the student section kind of goes into a frenzy because they kind of distracted him a little. I like the term frenzy.

And they're cheering so jubilantly that they got this 6'7, 220-40-pound kid to miss a free throw that he actually, like, Michael Jordan Space Gym, he like gets his own rebound off the free throw. And then Tomahawk dumps the slam, it slam dunks the ball for a four-point play.

And all of us shut up, Immediately. Why was it a four-point play? I don't know. I just read it. It was such a thunderous dunk that they gave him four points. I don't know if his math checks out. No, wait, hold on.

We got to come up with a new point. Four points. He missed the first. He misses the second. Oh, is it an end one maybe? And then he hits the way after that? Oh, it must have been. It must have been.

It must have been an hand one. Wait, but did he miss the first free throw? No, it's an N-1. Because it's an N-1, misses it, and then he gets so he gets to that's a four. Oh, it was an N1. And he misses the free throw, so it's two. And then he dunks it, so it's four. So wait, they were celebrating when it like clanged off the rim, but then he came in.

And the frenzy was in that brief one second right after he missed it. Yes. And then he shoved it right back. And then they all shut the fuck up. It's like all the picture. It's like the giff of the guy who shoots the three and like turns around and holds his hand up and it just like. Nick Young. Yeah.

Yeah. So he turns around the student. Yeah, totally Nick Young. He turns to the student section and he just like flexes on them and is like, don't you fucking do that again. This guy was. That's apex right. there. This person, the reason, this was a month ago, and I'm polling it because this guy was Mo Ali Cox.

No way. Mo Ali Cox. Wait, what? 11 chance. Mo Ali Cox was the guy who did this to them. Shut up. I remember because he went to VCU. And so Shock is smart, who's the coach of VCU at the time, told him, because he wanted to play more aggressively, shock is smart, who was the coach that went to the final four and everything. He told him every night before he went to bed. He wanted to look in the mirror and scream as loud as he could. I'm the baddest motherfucker in the state of Virginia.

Wow. And he said that to himself every night before he went to bed. What if they went out of state? Well, you're right. They made the phone for and they lost. I don't know. Just, I mean, look, that doesn't matter. It's still cool. Hyvitz does that every night to prep himself a podcast.

The baddest motherfucker in Indianapolis. In the district of Columbia. Did you guys ever, when you were younger? Like, did you ever have like a basketball hoop in the driveway or something? And you lower it so you could dunk. Oh, yeah, of course. There is no better feeling in the world. Dude, we had a dunk.

We had a dunk hoop's tournament. I don't remember how often we did it. We did a couple different times at this middle school by our house. so much fun. I think it was eight foot hoops or seven foot hoops, whatever it was. And people were doing

like put back dungs. It was like, and it was 13 years old it was doing all. It was so much fun. Oh, there's nothing better. We were tall enough to,

you catch one one hand and you feel like you're fucking quiet. It's unbelievable. It's so good. It's like the greatest moment for suburban white kids. Yeah.

Yeah. It's the dream. I'd be out there for hours. Strong lobs. So my brother and I, we put up, we could put a chain net on the,

on the thing. Yeah. It was like the beginning of space jam with Michael Jordan. He's hitting the free throws on it. This is the number one thing that the Save by the Bell millennials

don't get it, but SpongeBob Millennials is the impact that Space Jam had. I know you guys referenced Space Jam a lot. I didn't really get into Space Jam. It's Michael Jordan. What if Michael Jordan and Bugs Bunny like were fucking buds? And it's unbelievable.

That does sound like heaven. Sounds fucking awesome. It was four. It was crazy. It was a crazy crossover. Did you see the remake? I did not. I did.

Remake sequel? It was remake. Because it was LeBron. They did that. multiverse thing with like Bugs Bunny and like Warner Brothers stuff. Oh. And it was like good enough, but like. What do you so like like characters from the larger Warner Brothers universe were popping in?

It's bad. You know what's bad as I can't even remember? You saw it? Oh, yeah, I did. Wow. You went to the theater? No. Okay.

What is the plot of space? Theater for spaceship. Oh, I waited my whole life for someone to ask me this. God. Now I'm going to regret it. Michael Jordan is golfing. He's like, I'm a media. Michael Jordan is golfing with Bill Murray.

And Michael Jordan reaches down into his makes a put, reaches down to the cup, and he gets sucked into lunitude world. And Bill Murray is at the golf course alone being like, what do I do? And then the bugs buddy that when you need you to win a basketball game, some people are going to, we challenge them to a basketball game. And if you lose, then all lunitude land, we're going to like have to go to another planet. We're going to die. So Michael Jordan is going to dark. Who are the monsters? The bad guys.

They steal. So what they, they stole the tag. talent from other NBA players. So they stole the talent from Charles Barkley. They stole the talent from Patrick Ewing. They stole the talent from all these guys. And so they were like really good. They didn't get Michael Jordan's talent because he was retired playing baseball.

And so he's playing baseball. And so that looting tunes, though, don't believe he's good at basketball because he's a baseball player. He sucks. They're like, there's no way this guy's good at basketball. So he used to prove he's actually good at basketball. It's fucking sick. It's so good.

And apparently while filming on the set, Michael Jordan would make them build a basketball court. Yeah. Like, you know, in the production area. And they apparently like, because all those guys were there, Charles Barkley on these dudes. And apparently they would have sick runs. Yeah. Dude, do you have any idea what it's like for like fucking foghorn leghorn to be like, I don't know. He's like a baseball player.

He didn't really make contact with anything. You want this guy to play basketball? How is that the first time he's ever done foghorn like or like. Oh my God. Can you just host a whole pod and foghorn leghorn character? Welcome to the ringer fancy football. Oh my God, dude. He's like getting vainy.

Look at that. That is good. Yeah, by the way, Michael Jordan's like off-season pickup games, he would organize them with NBA players. This was on the last dance, I think. Just stuff of legends, like how hard they were playing. Anyway, I have to watch that movie. I think I've seen snippet of it. You should show Calvin the movie.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, he's great. What's the age range? He started basketball this week. He did. It's the perfect age.

That's actually perfect, yeah. He's totally a good age. Oh. Oh, shit. They're coming. Yeah. Fuck, they heard me do that voice. Is that the monster?

Go to jail. Yeah, dude, six-year-old. Calvin, space jam, perfect. Okay. Do you think the cops? No, I didn't dig a hole in the woods that one time. Statute of limitations. Oh my God.

Okay. Let's get out of here. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Nick. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, Jake. Thank you, Tucker.

Thank you ever for listening. Emails to ring your fantasy football at g-mill.com. Email is about the stalls at the Steelers. I want to know five. You think that's the right number. What's the worst? What's the worst work-pooping situation you've had? Work poops is crazy.

I want some anonymous emails from people inside of the organization. Tell us what's going on in there. How bad is it? And I want to know from people, I want to know work poop stories, because you're right. Everyone has that version of you go to work in an office.

Everyone has like a strategy of like work bathroom politics. Like it matters. I just love that video. There's a giant cafeteria. And then there's a tiny little bathroom where you can hear every single coworker take a shit every day. Yeah. It's so true.

Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you to Alan Parsons project. Oh, nice. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, you're fucking cooking now. Can you hear it? Let's hear it.

Dude, the NBA, I think they started to bring back intros music for these finals, the Thunder finals. And it was the best move I've seen the NBA do in a long time. Like, I know people giving them shit about tanking right now, but them ever getting away from intros, like, it is so much. That was a huge part of my childhood. The Bulls. Just intros.

Yeah, the Bulls. Like, that was my era. I mean, I was like 96 or was when the. the Sonics play the bowls in the finals. I'm like, nothing is better than the intros to basketball games. The Sonics had their own whole thing for a while where they had

Squatch, I think it was. It was a Sasquatch. It was their mascot. And he would do the craziest shit ever. He was an incredible gymnast. Some of the dunks were insane. I wish I could remember what the song was like for the Sonics intro. I'm going to have to go look that up. But anyway, they had

their own iconic stuff that I grew up on. It was amazing. You know what the other one that I was thinking of is rock and roll part two? What was... Gary Glitter? Yeah, that's it. That just reminds me of 90s basketball. The Alan Parsons song is called... Is it Sirius?

Yes. Usually an Egyptian god. Like Sirius X-M. Well, right. I'm saying the spelling. Right, yeah, yeah. The spelling, yeah, I think it's named that to like the sun god or something or something. More people are familiar with serious X-M.

I would say the spelling of the sun god. Fair enough. It's weird. Yeah. Goodbye, everyone.