The Ringer NFL Show - Craig’s Mock Draft 1.0 (With Trades and Insider Info)

Episode Date: April 23, 2025

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The Ringer NFL Draft Show, my name is Danny Hifel. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Krollbeck in person in Chicago. We are doing this the night after our live show. I'm not going to line, kind of rough. The morning after our live show. It's like way too early.

We're recording this Wednesday morning. This is our last show before the NFL draft. Also, not going to lie. We're not on video. So if you're listening, you can't see us. We're doing it old school. You don't want to see us. No.

four hours of sleep right now. We're in our hotel in Chicago. We're flying home today. It's a day before the draft, and we figured, why not squeeze in one more up? Hell yeah, hell yeah. The draft season hasn't been long enough for us. We want one more. Give us one more day.

Yeah. Please, God, one more day. Go get another week. There's one more week to tinker. Well, can they postpone it? Can they add an extra week? Can you believe it used to be at the end of May? Is that right?

Oh, for like years. Man. Oh, yeah. Man. I moved that shit up on month. I wish it was June. I wish you competed with the NBA finals. Really flex.

We should put it back a month. Why not July? Yeah. Just put it right. Put it on July 4th. Hell yeah. Who says no. America's sport on America's birthday.

We're a little loopy, I think. Yeah, no, we're going to lose her bud. So, okay, so we're doing, we're going to do, you know, I have a mock draft up. My second, I have at edifledraft.org.com. I also do. And we kind of decided, you know, What better thing for the last thing we do for the entire draft season that Craig put out his first mock draft in like five years? That's right.

You hate mock drafts. I do. You hate mock draft proudly. Let's give some background to this. One, I even think there's some, just for me personally, there's even an arrogance in saying, so my mock draft is up. Right. You know? NFL draft.

Go run there right now. My mock draft. Check out my guys who I got going where. Mine's special. 32 picks wrong. I just love. So I just put my muck up. It's one of the 900 you can find on the internet.

Way more than that, pal. 9,000 you can find on the internet. Check that out. So as we were on, I was flying here to Chicago on the plane, for some reason, some spirit took over me. And I built a mock draft for three hours. Craig was working hard on this. You've never done.

I've never done it. I was on my, I was listening to Todd McShay and I was on my phone. I didn't even have my laptop out. And I was tinkering. I was going to the NFL draft. At the ringer.com I was looking at D.K.'s big board and his mock and and Hyverages's team needs a couple of other

articles and McShay and I was just tinkering and like texting D.K. And I just built a mock draft. I don't know what happened. I was like, are you okay, man? I'm the holy ghost. I was like, you know what? Fuck it. I want one.

Give me one of the big ones. Yeah, I think my philosophy was like, if my mom can beat my March Madness bracket sometimes, why can't I have the best mock draft? I would love it if you beat everyone. If you have the best mock draft out there. So that's the goal of this episode is Craig does one mock draft ever, wins the whole thing, gets the best mock and then never does it again. So are we going to run through this mock that I made?

You guys are going to judge me? Are you guys going to be pushing me to change it? Or is the whole point that you want me to have my own mock? I think I want to make a couple. Are you going to make me conform? Are you, are you married to your mock yet? Or do you want us to change it?

I think we go through and you just tell us, I care about this a lot. And then like, I kind of didn't know what I was doing with this one. I also, we give opinions or we give thoughts of like, here's why I have the guy. But you ultimately can keep or stay. I think you got to stay. I think if we try to change your mind on anything,

it's going to go, Why are you? Okay. Like if you really convince me, I'll change it. Yeah, sure. All right. So should we just start at one? We'll go through all 32 of round one.

Some of these will be obvious. Also, wait, wait, wait, real quick before we do this. I do want to say that I had fun doing this. Oh, you admit it now. Now you've got it. I had fun doing it. Craig's hooked. Wait, real quick before we do this, our schedule for draft weekend, we're going to have a show.

We're going to do a show after Thursday night at round one. We're going to show after Friday night at round two and three. We're going to do a show that'll be up like first day, Monday morning. after the whole draft is done. And then we're going to, and then we're going back to Ring of Fantasy Football Show. So if you listen to this whole time as the draft show, we're going back to our,

you know, we've been cosplay as the draft show, then we go back to fantasy football show. And we're going to do an episode a week. Like, so we're going to have a bunch of episodes next week. And then we're going to have an episode a week all summer. Like we don't go away.

So stick with us all summer. And then like, we ramp right back up after the 4th of July, two episodes a week. And then we're like three episodes a week in August. We do four episodes a week during the season. So stick with us all year if you like it. Or even if you hate us, honestly, it doesn't matter if you like, I hate us.

Just to hate us? That's fine. Yeah. You can hate us. As long as you keep listening, that's really what my main priority is. So anyway. Don't touch that dial. Don't touch that dial.

With that said, Craig. Should we just get started? Yeah, let's do it. All right. So there are some things we can obviously move right through. So we'll Tennessee at one, Cam Ward. It feels like that's locked in. Yeah.

Cleveland at two, Travis Hunter. New York at three. I think it's Abdul Carter. And then New England at four. or Will Campbell. I think that's kind of like the four consensus picks that I believe will happen.

Yeah. Yeah. I think the draft really starts at five. I mean, I don't know 100% about Will Campbell, but I think that's what I put it there too. And it's a lot of, I've got nothing better.

A lot of things pointing to that right now. We did on the draft show or on the live show last night. We did like thinking with your dick mock draft. And if you're thinking with your dick, the patch should take a really cool skill position player. Right. Like Ted or Genty. When you said Ted McMillan's arms are longer than Will Campbell's.

I was like, that's kind of fucked up. Put him on a lot. They're not. They're not for the record. I know, but it sounds true. He's kind of short arms. He has kind of short arms.

They're both short-armed. Is that right? Dang, but Ted's taller, right? Yeah. No, they're probably about the same height. They probably have the same wingspan. I'll look that up. Keep talking.

I'll look that. I feel like you should know that. Yeah, yeah. It's not your thing. Knowing the wingspan? Yeah. All right, fine. Fucking look it up.

Okay. So we all kind of agree. First four picks. We feel good about it. Draft starts at five. And as you guys know, I've been listening to a lot of podcasters who have been talking to a lot of GF. I love when you put in the work.

What I've been hearing that they've been hearing that I believe in is that Jacksonville might not be going defense. Oh, who? You know, William Cohen, offensive-minded guy. How did he succeed last year in Tampa? Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, these two pillars, catching passes. Gentie's obviously an option.

McMillan's an option. I went with Tet. How do you feel about that? Ted is all over the place. People love them and hate them. I know. I think getting somebody for Trev, T.L. Treve.

Yeah. It's called him Treve. Yeah, it felt good to me. No, I like that a lot. T. Higgins is his comp, right? T. Higgins is the cop. What does T. Higgins do? But T. Higgins is the best number two in the league.

It's like maybe Ted McBellon immediately slides into that role, and it's no longer just the Brian Thomas show. They lost Evan Ingram. They're tied end. to Denver. They don't have a lot of other pass catching options. Just Brian Thomas. And Diami Brown. But he's just the 2-2-at-well from like the, because

Liam Kohn who's running the Jags, I was out the Rams, with Sean McVeigh. And Diamond Brown's just doing the 2-2-outwell thing. He got the same contract and everything. He's just going to be running routes. Hold on. I was, while you were talking, I was looking up the wingspans. Yeah. So the wingspan for Ted McMillan is

77 and 7 eighths inches. So almost 70. inches. 77 and 7 eighths. Also 8th are, what the fuck are with 8th? Why do we use that? We have a whole... It's an 8th of an inch. I know, but it's not your fault. I just hate 8th. Thank you for acknowledging that. Why do we do that? And then Will Campbell, 77 and 3.8.

So, McMillan actually does have a longer wing. That's wild. That's I nailed it. Campbell is 6, 5, 6. He's 6. He's 6. Called that from 7.8s. He's a volleyball. Ted's a volleyball player. Those guys have long arms. So here's my thing. I actually also gave tip. McBillan of the Jaguars.

And I'm not going to lie. I kind of didn't know what to do. And Schaefter on Monday was like, look at Ted McMillan of the Jaguars. And he was talking about how he got a couple, like out of left field ones right. And he just was like, I don't know.

Liam Cohen could seem like Mike Evans. And I was like, you know what? Fuck it. That sounds right. But then McShay, on his show, I think does McShay have

Ted McMillan rank 50th? Yeah. Quietly. Quietly. That's one of the biggest fucking disparities I've ever heard. Well, I think, being fifth or 50th? I mean, I think that just reflects the,

like the delta, the gap in the way that a lot of teams look at Tet. Like I think there's a lot of teams that are pretty low on him. And then there's probably a lot of teams that could take him in the top five. I do think he'll go on the top, like 15, at the very least. But I think what McShay has pointed out, and I think he's reported or at least said on a show, is that teams are kind of all over the place on him.

It's kind of like he's a volleyball player. Like Jeremiah said that in a little bit. I was kind of like, yeah. I think there's, I think people get kind of, I'm upset about, like, him not running as hard as you can on it, on routes, especially when the, like, like, play isn't necessarily designed to go to him, things like that. Like, you know, it doesn't have enough, um, urgency or whatever as a route runner, but. Or is it just the warm weather cities, like the LA ones, the Florida ones are going to be like, yeah, volleyball. That's cool. The Midwest city is going to be like, volleyball. Bitch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I mean, yeah. I think stick with the Jags at McMillan. Okay. Then that brings us to the sixth pick. And I can. I can't. I think it's going to be the sixth pick. And I can. I can't. I think it's, I think, I think, I think, it's the sixth pick. And I can. And I can. And I can. I can. I think, I think, I think, and I think, and gave the Raiders, I gave them Armand Membue. I thought, I just think the Gentie thing is probably, it's probably rational.

These two picks will determine whether your mock is good or not. It's whether the Jags take Macmillan or Ashton Genty or the Raiders, or the Raiders. Because, you know, I would say traditional consensus right now is that it's like Mason Graham going five to the Jags and it's Gentie going six to the Raiders. I just think the Gentie smoke is really, really smoky for the Raiders. There's a lot of buzz. Too much smoke. Perhaps too much.

And I don't know. The way I'm thinking about. about Pete Carroll and what they, it's like, I don't know, I just feel like they're going to go like both of the offensive line and do it. I mean, Carol and Schneider, I think their first pick, or maybe it was their second. I can't remember which order it was with Earl Thomas and Okun, but they had two first rounders the first year that they were in Seattle, and it was Okun. Yeah. I'm pretty sure it was Okuner. I can't remember off the top of my head, but they obviously, like, wanted to establish that, get the left tackle. In this case, it would be

their right tackle, the long-term starter at right tackle, you know, that kind of thing. I think it's just, I ended up putting Gentie in my mock draft, but I'm already kind of regretting and I kind of feel like I'm swaying him it's kind of like probably going to be maboo yeah well I don't know I was also just thinking about like the running running back is so deep you have chip Kelly there is chip Kelly going to say like just let's get one of the Ohio state guys in round two the Raiders have the fifth pick or whatever of the second round it's like running back is so deep and do they really need to spend this pick on us and gentie is that going to be what what Pete and chip want to do do you think Brady is a proponent of a star running back

because he's never had one wondering this I've been wondering this because on one And it's like I could totally see Brady wanting like Membu over like Thayer Munford, who's like the currently the Raiders right tackle. But I also, we also did an all right job. And I also just, this to me is the first pick in the draft where the moment you're wrong, you're going to be like,

I'm so stupid. Like if you put Ashton Genty down and they take a tackle, like, oh my God, why did I think they do that? But if you put the tackle down and the Raiders take Asheny and Gentia, you're like, why did I think Pete Carroll would pass in Ash and Jentzy? And I ultimately, and that's why I actually started with Membo my first and I went with Genti at this

spot. I don't feel that strongly about it. But I do think he. He's just, I don't think any team has Gentile lower than third or fourth in the entire draft. And I just think at some point they're going to look at he's a different pro. I think frankly, there's a recency bias in the NFL. And we just saw the Seekwon thing. And even though the lesson of the Sequan thing is you should probably spend 10 years building your line and then get running back once you're really good.

I kind of think teams just be like, see, running the ball. Nerds suck. They were wrong. And they're going to take Gentry really high. It does feel like if anybody's going to trade up in the top 10, it's going to be to get gente. Honestly, yeah. Especially if it doesn't go here. Yeah.

Everything else is so deep. It's like no one's going to trade up for a detackle and edge rush. There's a lot of those guys. Especially the Jets. If he doesn't go here and you're the Jets and you're not, because the Jets are not going to take Jentty with Brice Hall. That'd be kind of crazy. Well.

So if you're the Jets, you could trade it down. Maybe I should. Which makes big here. No. So recap the top six real quick. All right. So Cam Ward to Tennessee, Travis Hunter to the Browns,

Abdul Carter, the Giants, Will Campbell the tackle to the Patriots. Ted McMillan 5 to Jacksonville. I'm giving the Raiders to tackle Arm and Membo. So now we're at seven with the Jets. this is where things kind of open up for Craig. This is where things... She's just...

Now you just have to... Speaking to the third person. She really had to listen to all my guys who were talking to other guys and see what they were thinking and kind of... I do think like the... You know, a lot of these teams

you can go a lot of different ways. I kind of went best player available. I think they're going to go on the defensive side of the ball because of Aaron Glenn. So I gave the Jets Jalen Walker out of Georgia, the linebacker. I can see that.

A lot of people... You know, it's like Tyler Warren is it buzzed and I'm just like a lot of my philosophy with this was like if it's a new coach, what is the coach good at what is the coach's identity and what is he going to want to do? And like Aaron Glenn is a defender.

He's a former quarterback is a defensive coordinator at heart. And so I'm like, Jalen Walker was, I think, widely considered. D.K., you tell me, is Jalen Walker other than outside of Mason Graham, who actually is falling? Is he the best defensive player outside, other than Abdul Carter in this draft? Yeah, I think so because, or he'd be at least the highest on my board. There is some wide variation of like how people see him. I think some people are worried he's under. He's a little short to be like a full-time defensive end.

What is he at the next level? Is he a defensive end or a linebacker? I think there's, I don't think people even agree about that. I think some people think he should be a linebacker, which is I personally think, I mean, not to sit on the fence, but I think they should do both. Well, yeah, the way I look at G. I look at G.ard Campbell as the inside linebacker that can put his hand down and be a defensive end like Zach Bonn. And I look at Jalen Walker as a Nolan Smith where he's a defense, he's a pass rusher that can play inside linebacker.

Right. But I don't know if Jalen Walker can play inside linebacker like full-ish time. I feel like he's got to be like a pass rush. Yeah. I think that's where I lean as well. And he's just so twitchy and so explosive off the edge. And obviously taking a guy who's like 6162 at that spot as an edge rusher is pretty risky, I think. Or at least just you're betting on kind of an outlier in terms of size.

But this is the type of class that we're dealing with here. I think everybody in this first round is you could have. like a pretty major question mark next to the thing. You know what's funny about this is my gut is like, yeah, I don't like that pick. But then it's like, what are the problems? So are you going to like it? Are you going to like it if it's Tyler Warren? One of the reasons mock drafts are bad, though, is people make picks they think are good.

Instead of just things. Because like, what's the last time you went through 12 picks in a draft? You're like, good job. Good job. There's always one where you're like, oh, that's not what I expected. I don't get that one. It happens 15 times every round. Every fucking time.

Yeah. And so I'm looking at this and I'm like, ah, but it's funny because it's like, one of the reasons Tyler Warren goes to the Jets. It's like, oh, well, you know, Lions and Sam LaPorta. And it's like, well, Eric Glenn didn't coach him. Also, they got him in the second round. Yeah. So let me get to, let's get to, I'm going to work my way to 12 because I think it's kind of,

I think Dallas is a good place to kind of pause. And then we can go back and revisit, you guys tell me what you think about the last, about seven to 12. So I'm giving the Jets, Jalen Walker at seven. At eight, Carolina, another team that's like, I mean, God, you could go anywhere. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's like, Mason Graham was still on the board, but it's like, maybe they don't feel like they need a detackle.

they already have Derek Brown. It's like, okay, so. And they signed to Sean Wharton and agency for a pretty good amount of money. Right. So it's like maybe they, and the Mason Graham fall continues. And I was like, outside of JC Horn, Hyfitts wrote about this and his team needs. Like they don't have any corners. How many they have in the team of four or five corners currently on the roster?

So I was like, I'm going to give him Will Johnson, the cornerback out of Michigan. Will Johnson's got to be the least talked about top 10 pick in this draft, right? Yeah, there's nothing to say. I mean, he's a cornerback. He's like, last year before the season started, it was like Will Johnson is like the guy. I thought he was going to be like a Jeff Okuda, which maybe he still can be a Jeff Okuda because he sucks. Derogatory. Yeah, derogatory.

But no, well, Johnson, there's nothing to say about really good quarterbacks, honestly. Yeah, you're like, sure. Everybody needs a good corner. He can guard a guy. He can guard a guy. Not many of those guys who can guard a guy. The Panthers gave up the most points in the league last year. It's maybe another corner to be helpful alongside J.C. Horn.

Anyway, okay, so we'll pin that for a second. Again, Saints now, it's like, a lot of options. Genties still on the board. Mason Graham still on the board. I went defense. I gave them Michael Williams out of Georgia, the edge rusher. And I was like, you know,

Saints need a big playmate. He's kind of a saint-y type of guy. Yeah. Like big, long, physical. I just think them taking Ashen Genti just makes no fucking sense. Which is why they'll do it. I was just like,

I know Camara's getting older, but it's just, I was just like, are the saints need so much that getting like a world-class running back to just like burn out on the Saints for four years? It doesn't I think if the Saints, there is a world with the Saints take Gentile and Camara's a Bronco like within the hour.

Oh, that'd be kind of fun. Wow. Damn. Would Camara rather, would he rather retire than leave New Orleans? He loves New Orleans. Yeah, I feel like he's like New Orleans. He'd rather retire than make $20 million a year because he likes the city. Yeah. All right, cool. Good Ben Mays.

Okay. No, I'm not, I don't know. I'm asking a question. I'm just asking questions here. Don't get mad. I think so mad. I think he'll get so mad. Okay. that's probably true. So I'm giving Michael Williams to the Saints. And now Gentie is still there,

and Mason Graham is still there. And I think it's like if the Raiders don't take Jentee at 6, then he falls, right? Because the Jets aren't going to take him. I don't think Carolina is going to take him. The Saints, I think it would be a weird move, but I guess they could.

And now we're at Chicago at 10. So I gave them, I gave Genti to Chicago. Dude, I think that's kind of, if we rank places we want him to go. I know. What's the tough? Bears is really high. Yeah, it's sick.

It's like exactly, it's my favorite landing spot for him in the top 10, right? I think it's more fun than the Raiders. I think it's certainly more fun than the Jaguars, although the Jaguars could be good with Liam Cohen. I mean, it's more fun than the Patriots.

It's certainly better than the Panthers. Like, honestly, it's just cool. Yeah. And it does make sense. It does feel like they've done a good amount of work this off season trying to like catch up the lines. And also quietly,

the Saints are like the worst place Jentzi could go. If Genti went to the Saints, suddenly if he's a backup, come on. Yeah. A backup to, oh, they would trade Khmerer,

I think. Wow, okay. Right. I imagine keep both, no. But the, because honestly, here's the thing, Gentis's not getting past Dallas. No.

So it's either, if he's not going to be a cowboy, he's going to be a, a bear is so much cooler than being a guy. And I think, I think Dallas really wants either Tet or Genti. And I think they're going to be pissed if they don't get either of them. I even debated having Dallas like trade up to 10 with the bears, who I forget who I was listening to. One of my insiders was saying that, that the bears would be interested in trading down.

I was like, oh, maybe the Cowboys will be dumb enough to swap picks with them to get Gentie. So yeah, Gentie to Chicago, which would just be so awesome with Ben Johnson. And it's like, they would truly be the leap team this year. So then Mason Graham still hanging around. The guy everybody thought was going to be like a top five pick, the D tackle out of Michigan.

I'm giving him to the Niners at 11, which also feels like that makes sense to me. The Niners need a D-Line. He's probably not going to fall too much later than that. That felt like a good fit. I strongly feel the Niners are going to take a defensive lineman. I just think Shanahan wants to. to run the ball and stop the run.

And the Niners have no fucking defensive linemen at all. The last blue chip white defensive tackle. Oh, yeah. Oh my God. Wait, wait. No, dude, the Niners,

they'll go from McCaffrey, they'll have Nick Bosa, they have Mason Graham, like the Christian McCaffrey, like they keep building. I would be so, I would be so upset if the 49ers get Mason Graham. Dude,

the Niners having Peresol, McCaffrey, Bosa and Mason Graham is pretty fucking funny. I mean, the D-line now for, for San Francisco, it's kind of unresolved. recognizable.

Dude, there's some fake names on that line. There's some people, there are some deaf people I've never been heard of that, like, will play for the Niners

if they don't draft more alignment. They're just putting, they're just putting in the names of dead people in there. Like voter fraud? Yeah. We should get Elon Musk on that. He just keeps worrying about dead people

doing social security. This depth chart is weird. I don't recognize any of these names. Elon Musk is like, there's fake people in the 90s line. There's a Miljard? There's a Mildred? There's a Mildred playing D-Tackle?

all right so I like that Dorothy? So what do the what do the Cowboys do at 12? So I think the Cowboys want a playmaker. I think they want offense, flash. I mean,

outside of CD Land, there's nothing. It's brutal for, I mean, they have Jonathan Mingo. Well, they love him. Right.

They love him. They have to. Was it a third or fourth for Mingo? I can't remember. I think there was maybe a pick swap. Sometimes the Cowboys do stuff that I think they're two rounds off. I don't know if anyone else

give him something. for Mingo or is that the price and the Cowboys did a fourth? So the receivers are C.D. Lamb, Jalen Tolbert and Jonathan Mingo and their running backs are Javante Williams and Miles Sanders and they have Jake Ferguson a tight end and they have obviously Ciddy Lamb. So I'm like

that's why I really thought they wanted Gentie or Ted, they could get them. I still think they're just going to get a wide receiver. I guess they could go Hampton, the running back as well. I gave them Matthew Golden because I think they just need an outside guy who can run fucking fast and down the field and that's how Jerry Jones Jones is going to think. We need to play America who can run fast, who can spread the field. C.L.

Is our slot star is running all over the middle of the field? We need a guy who can go straight and fast. Yeah, this one makes a lot of sense to me. I think, and a lot of people are making this connection because he'd be such a perfect compliment to CD Lamb. And just like his skill set. Because I was thinking about Bucca, and I was like, that's actually redundant to what they have with CD.

Right. Right. That's how, so I think that's the argument from like Will McLeigh, who's like they're basically their head of football who does the thinking for Jerry Jones. And Will McLean is going to be like, oh, well, Matthew Gold's a perfect compliment to CD Lamb. Jerry Jones is thinking University of Texas

Dallas Cowboy Don Draper style like draft that guy Same way he wanted Jonathan Brooks from Texas Like Jerry actually does disproportionately Just love the fucking Texas kids I still kind of wonder if he takes some Marion Hampton here though I still wonder if they just want a running back

Receiver to quarterback at their core I think it's going to be running back or wide receiver I do too The Cowboys are such a to me this is such a team that's such a good example of how crucial it is to time, like how crucial timing is

to like get everything right to compete for a championship because at one point the Cowboys had like the best offensive line, a bunch of really sick skill players, Zique and DAC, and now it's like DAC and CD. They do have a good offensive line or at least

some good offensive line men, but like the depth in their receiver core is wildly terrible. It's terrible. And you know, it's just like, crazy how quickly it changes, I guess is my point. Despite them needing a defensive lineman, I actually do think they should take a wide receiver

or a running back. Like, you can't, you can't just be DAC and CD Lamb for 17 games. You can't do that. I would take a defensive line if I were them. I just think that that much, it should be really bad. I just think genuinely, I know this is stupid to say, but genuinely, I think Jerry Jones is going to think about

a Cowboys jersey named Golden. I'm not kidding. I think he thinks about these things. Yeah. All right, so Cowboys get Matthew Golden from from Texas. Yeah. Okay. So now we're at the 13th pick. This is where, you know, I'm on this plane. I'm, you know, I'm all turned around. I'm breathing in recycled air. Starting to squint at these guys' names. So if you guys want to kind of hop in here and say I'm an idiot, that's fine. I more so just went with the position I think they need. And then I crossed the reference like, D.K.'s big board and was like, who is the best guy in this position? What kind of makes sense? And I went with with that. So the dolphins, I was like, the dolphins needed an offensive lineman. They didn't. need a tackle. So I gave them Kelvin Banks Jr. out of Texas. Is that the wrong guy, wrong

position? How do you feel? No, I feel like that's that makes a lot of sense. I mean, I think this is a team that wants their identity identity to still be the run game. Like, that was why McDaniel came in. He was the run game guru, like all the speed that they have at the running back position. But like

at the end of the day, they're just not physical enough. And I think getting a like an athletic tackle like Kelvin Banks. And he could, I think he has like the the ability to play multiple positions. on that line early on. I think long term it could be their left tackle. But yeah, I think this is like a, you know,

down the fairway pick for them. Miami's reputations, they're soft. Yeah. Like they can say whatever they want. They can get mad about that. But the reality is like if you actually look to Deke's point, McDaniels, a run game coordinator is his background. They have Devon H&N.

They're known for running the ball and these weird motions. The reality is if within three yards to the first down marker. So second and three, third and three, fourth and three and in, the worst rushing team in the NFL last year. Literally last in yards per carry, last in front downs per carry. So yeah, they need a fucking guard. It's like having a run game too would be such a crucial thing for Tua and just the passing game in general. Tyreek is not probably long for Miami.

He might play there this year, but beyond that, probably not much longer. So I think they really need like that balance. They need to establish the run. I mean, I know that's cliche, but they do need to establish the run again. It just feels like if Tua in the run game doesn't have an offensive line, like they need that more than most teams. It doesn't work with Tua unless you can block for him unless he can run the ball. Colts at 14.

This is like what everybody has, so I'm kind of upset. I wanted to zag more, but I gave them the tight end, Tyler Warren. Maybe he doesn't fall to 14, but if he does, I think he'll probably go here. I think the zag here is Shemar Stewart because I think that everyone's, so I kind of think the cult's wanting a tight end. It is like the most every year there's a draft pick that everyone has the same thing. And it never happens. Now what happens sometimes.

I think Warren falling this far. It's hard for the Colts to pass him up. But I also do think the Colts quietly need defense. line because their defensive tackles are both like 30, 31 and their defensive ends like Quitty pays in a contract year, I believe. And then you have a lot to they just drafted. But basically like a lot of their, sorry, I'm forgetting. I think of Samson Ebukom, I think, towards Achilles.

So I mean, they kind of don't have any defensive line depth. Even though they took the defensive line in the first round last year. So they could do that. Also, Stewart is kind of like the quintessential. Chris Ballard guy. Yeah. Just athletic, even though I didn't do the agility testing. So it's like a fake.

But he's like the most athletic defensive end just built carved out of granite But he didn't do the agility Which maybe kind of fucks with the thing But overall I agree Like he is a crisp out If Schmar Stewart goes there

Everyone's going to be like oh yeah That's a classic cults pick But Tyler weren't They literally needed a tight end for a decade DK can you name any tight end On the Colts currently Mo Ali Cox Jalani Woods

All these guys that they've drafted Over the years People get excited about in like the fantasy world and then it takes sixth round dart throws nothing ever happens they like platoon their tight in position I think they had Will Mallory last year

who people were a little bit excited about he didn't do anything it's yeah I think it's just the other thing that I think about with the Colts is basically everyone in the building's job is in the balance of whether Anthony Richardson is good I guess maybe

that's not true but I feel like that's like the most important priority number one make Anthony Richardson at least usable, like short term, and then eventually you'll be able to develop. And that was always kind of the proposition with him is like, we need to bring this guy along who's really raw and develop him. I think a guy like Tyler Warren, where he really adds benefit or adds value for them, is run after the catch, easy, you know, layup type throws, even though.

Yeah, I mean, if you want a guy for Anthony Richardson to throw, to maybe get him the biggest guy you can find, you know, to give him the biggest catch rate as possible. 13-year-old Andrew Reed, yeah. You know, because you know the thing is like, kick punt pass champion. What is it? Punt pass kick. You know the thing is like, you know, the elite quarterbacks can hit a keyhole in the doorknob

and good accurate quarterback's getting at the doorhole, the doorknob, fuck. But the whole, every quarterback in the NFL is supposed to hit a door frame. What? Wait, say that again. Whatever. I need more coffee. All quarterbacks are supposed to be accurate is what you're saying. It's kind of like an important thing.

So you're saying shitty quarterback should at least be able to hit the door. I was trying to make a joke. The Tyler Warren is the size of the door. Yeah, but I didn't really do it good. That's all right. I did it poorly. Yeah, dude, the Coltside ends. Moe Alley Cox, Drew Ogletree,

Jelani Woods, and Will Mallory. Mm-hmm. I just think, I think... That's the worst tight end crew in the league. I know that you guys get the ick when I talk about Tyler Warren as like a Goddard type of player, but like I love the way that...

I love the way the Eagles use Goddard because he's really good in the screen game. And it's like... It's just an extension of your run game. It gets the ball out quickly. And no, this isn't your point. All you have to do is throw it five yards. I know this isn't your point, but it's not helping your argument that Dallas Goddard will not be on the Eagles in 48 hours.

No, but he's been good for them for a long time. I know. It's just like, he's not going to be on the team in two days. So? I'm just pointing out like the type of player he is. Like a run after the catch. Yeah. Screen game. Red zone.

Pass catcher. Is that a fire alarm in this hotel? That's the. Oh, that was that housekeeping? Oh, Austin, do you mind? Might be because we're being too loud. No way. Well, that would be funny.

Oh, that was. If we got another noise complaint, that would have been incredible. We would have had Craig go over there and be like, hey, you ever heard of the ringer? I'm doing a podcast. Wait, will you quickly tell that story? I listen to a lot of insiders. We're 14 picks in. Will you just remind people what happened?

So what did you say? So we were doing the show in New York and someone knocked on the door. It was a Sunday night recap. I remember this. It was a Jewish game. Oh, New York for the rewatchables. That went OT. Craig is screaming, I declare bankruptcy.

Yeah, it was the final 15 minutes of the show, which is like when it's just turned into absolute chaos. It was like one. 30 a.m. Yeah, I was screaming the office quote. I declare bankruptcy. We get a knock on the door. It's like some really nice dude who's like, hey, man, I know that you're on the phone with your buddy talking sports and that's super cool and I respect that. You're on the phone with your buddy. Like, I got to get up for work tomorrow. It's a Sunday night. Like, would you mind keeping it down? And I was like, holy shit. I'm so sorry. Yes, absolutely.

However, it is for a podcast. I know that doesn't make it better, but I'm not just yelling to my friend on the phone at 1.30 the morning about Justin Fields. I mean, that's pretty much what this podcast is. He's so nice. He's like, oh, really? Like, where do you work? I was like, oh, yeah, I think I've heard of that. That's cool about. Maybe I'll check it out. Very nice guy. And then he was at our live showy last night. Yeah, yeah, we agree. All I want is to find that guy. I know.

I know. Email us if you're listening. I'm sure. Okay. Well, because you can't make it up because we just got to figure. If he knows what's like hotel you were at and what floor, then we could prove it was him. Because I don't think anyone's going to be able to. I don't think they give out that. no well that's what I'm saying he knows what floor it was

Craig Craig can you talk to some of your insiders who have been talking to a lot of people I've unfortunately my room was on the Underhill account so I don't think he could find me that's a that's a old joke I don't really get that oh is that it's from Fletch oh yeah but not for a long time It's in Fletch yeah with Chevy Chase

it's all ball bearings yeah that's great is that one of the it's from 80s right yeah Fletch is an all timer yeah they remade it with John Ham, I never saw it. That's, unfortunately, that's how I know about it. I'm sorry.

All right, wait, so the 50, so Falcons here are picking at 15. Yeah, Falcons are at 15. So I'm giving Tyler Warren to the Colts. I'll pencil in Shamar Stewart as a maybe. I'm giving Shamar Stewart to the Falcons. So basically, look, the next three guys, next three teams, Falcons, Cardinals, Bengals. I gave all defensive players.

I gave Shamar Stewart to the Falcons, Giod Campbell to the Cardinals and the de-tackle, the big boy Kenneth Grant to the Bengals. I actually think this could be a pretty, in retrospect, this could go down as a stretch. land you a pretty epic draft mock title here because Falcons thinking Shemar Stewart, I think they need a pass rusher because the Falcons, everything I've said all the time, but blast in sacks last 10 years, Falcons are last in sacks last five years.

Falcons are last and sacks last three years. They even a player gets seven sacks in a season and four years. Falcons needed pass rusher. The Cardinals taking G. G. God, Campbell is something that somehow I haven't even thought about really seriously. And then yet as I stared at it now, I'm like, I have called Jihad Campbell,

Zach Bonn twice a month for like three months. And now I'm like, fuck, Jonathan Gannick. and literally is the coach of the Cardinals and he's probably watching the Super Bowl like I need his Zach Bond. Do you think the only reason I'm like a little hesitant for that combination and this is I think totally new coaching staff, new front office everything, but this is the same front office that drafted Zaven Collins who is kind of like a linebacker hybrid. Who was the other guy that they drafted really early on?

Was he a Simmons? Yes. But that was Steve. That was Steve Kime. No, I know. I said that. This is a totally different organization now. but like there is still sort of that stigma where stop taking fucking hybrid guys

and just pick a guy who's going to you know what he's going to do at the next level kind of deal I'm not saying that's going to happen that was just what I thought of when I saw this pick so you hate it yeah you kind of fucking hated it I think you hate yeah okay no and then honestly and then they'll probably pick him so what you should keep it I feel like you should just keep everything that's a good note that's a good note we should guys watch Rick and Morty because it's like god damn it Morty whatever but he's he's a He's a tweener, but he's one of those guys where size, he's not, like, he's not a size tweeter, really. He's big, explosive, you know, flexible bend off the edge.

He can also play linebacker. All the sexual stuff. But like a lot of the, flexible bend. I feel like the other twin. You can also penetrate and finish. Finish. Yeah. I don't know.

I truly, I truly don't have the energy. I truly don't have the energy to like fight you guys on this way. I love that we're, I love that we're going to go 32. You guys are going to be like good pick for all 32. I don't know. I think that any tweener player has a low floor. Any tweener player that's like he can do both positions could end up doing literally nothing.

Right. I also think that if you told me one of these players was like getting defensive player of the year votes in three years, I would pick Giacampbell. I think that he is the guy to me that has the opportunity to be the full chrome of the best defense in the NFL. Yeah. Like that's the ceiling. Maybe it's not literally, but the same way Zach Vaughn is like quietly.

like Jalen Carter's probably the best guy in that team. But like, I think that Gide Campbell has the chance to be like this very hard, like one of three kind of players in the entire league, Folkram. So then let's keep, so rounding out these three defenders in a row, I'm giving Kenneth Grant the detackle to the, to the, which they need. They desperately need another day. To the Bengals, right?

I'm sure you could go to D.K., I'm sure you could go a lot of ways with like defense for. For angles of no red defense. I think just edge or defensive tackle makes tons of sense. Okay. So let's keep pushing that. Now we're at your Seahawks at. 18 and I just keep thinking about

Sam Darnold in their interior offensive line and being blown up through the middle and I'm like if they don't take a guard if they don't if Sam Dernel doesn't have time we've seen what that we see what that looks like we saw it it ain't pretty last two games of the season and we saw it for the first five years of his career what it looks like and so I'm like I gave him a guard I gave him Gray Zabel at a North Dakota

studio and I know they need I know they need like receiver they can take a defensive lineman a bunch of stuff but I'm like honestly I kind of like this pick for them it's so seahawkey in the sense like if you look at the patterns and sort of like style of picks that the Seahawks have always liked, it's always gritty guys that do really well at the Senior Bowl. Like the Senior Bowl is such a huge influence. And part of that reason I think is that the guy who's running the Senior Bowl who's named Jim Nagy, he was a longtime scout for the Seahawks, like super close with John Schneider. So like connecting the Seahawks to Gray's Abel who went to obviously, North Dakota State, so not playing a bunch of...

No one obviously went to North Dakota State. Gray's Abe was a... Obviously, obviously. Are they the Jack Rabbits or is that... No, or is that North Dakota or South Dakota? I think that might be South Dakota State. One of them is the Jack Rabbiton. South Dakota?

Yeah, Bison. Okay. Anyway, the bison. The bison. Obviously. But no, he played tackle at North Dakota State, but then went to the Senior Bowl. It was like really good playing on the interior. He played both Garden Center there. He was just like mauling dudes.

on the one-on-one drills, like really holding his own against, like, some of these top guys in the class, some of the top senior players in this class. And so that's, like, where he really started getting a bunch of first-round buzz. And, I mean, it honestly makes a ton of sense for the Seahawks. He can play all three of the interior positions. He could play tackle in a pinch, probably, not that they would not want him to, but just get a guy who come in and start right away. And they need to, they honestly just need to keep investing on the offensive line. Is that what you want them to do? If you're John Schneider, what are you doing here?

Yeah, I want offensive line. You do? Yeah. How do we feel about the name gray? It's kind of cool. It's a good name. Gray. G-R-E-Y, right?

No, G-Well, actually, I don't know. I think it's E-Y. I mean, his name is gray. I haven't read it. I haven't written A-Y, but I don't know if that's right. Looking online, it's E-Y. Oh, okay. I need to fix that.

Man, gray's cool. I like gray. Yeah, I like it, too. All right, cool. We were just doing gut check on that. I just, I've never seen anyone named gray in my entire life. I just, at 19 with the bucks

I gave him Jada bear and the D back I hate this pick This is my least favorite The entire mock I want to talk you out of it I know it's just trying to spice it out I know it's gonna be right Because I this is the one that I have Like this is the Costanza

Every fiber of my being tells me this is wrong And so you're gonna get it right They need a defensive back right They feel like their secondary is not as good as it used to be It's like slowly getting drained And I was like Yeah you know who's one of the best guys right now that he can be kind of a safety corner combo

right today Barron he does a little bit of everything you can play in the slot yeah he's like a Brian branch right yeah stereotype okay so you hate this I hate this which means I now think it's gonna happen what do you think they're gonna take pass rusher I just the bucks just needed pass rusher okay and um no I don't want you to change it because your team needs says they need an edge rusher and a defensive back and a linebacker

yes but I just think the edge rusher is more important but also maybe I'm wrong because I think that there's a pretty big drop off of a quarterback. So you could argue that like you actually almost could probably trade up and get a pass rush for the second round. No. No. Did I, no. Did I bear

Donovan Zaraku for Boston. Baron and Winfield in the same back or secondary would be super fun. Yeah. Also, Todd Bowles is a defensive back for all I know he's fucking loves this guy. Yeah, that's why I went again. I'm kind of freaked out. I'm freaked out now how strongly I hate this pick. I'm kind of like, damn. I'm just I've outsourced my bucks thoughts to Trevor Sykima

at PFF. It does great work for their he's like, you know, their draft guy pro football focus. Also really nice guy, handsome, incredible jawline. Huge bucks fans. And he's been giving him as a rocker for four months. And I'm kind of like, yeah, it's kind of makes sense to me. Okay. Craig's like, what the fuck am I? Chop liver over here. I'll pencil that in. You, Craig can not grow the beer that Trevor has. I can't. I don't have it. I don't have it. I'm still waiting for my second growth spurt. All right. That's fine. I'll pencil in your notes here. Noodle on that for a stupid pick. They're going to go past rush. Dumb. All right, Denver at 20,

I gave them the running back Omerian Hampton. I think this is me wish casting. It's like I want this to happen. Yeah. I think what I'm realizing is throughout this off season, you know, you kind of like weirdly attach yourself to a couple teams. For some reason, I like Denver.

Like I'm going to be rooting for Denver this year. Denver. I like Bo Nix. I just like what Denver's doing. I'm going to be in on Denver. I really desperately want them. I'm out. I'm out.

I hate them. Denver or Omerian Hampton? I don't know. I'm just kidding. I'm kind of the Sean Payton hater, but yeah, they have exceeded all our expectations. It's been really,

really good. I have just like the Sean Payton hatred from the fantasy point of view, obviously he's a good coach, but it's one of those picks, though, that everybody has, like everybody wants a Marion Hampton to fall to Denver and they take him. So I don't really love being. Well, they just don't have any other backs right now. It's like Joluma Gawthon. It's a horrible.

Audrake Estime, who didn't really show much. Yeah. They need some, like, bulldozer who can take the carries on first and second down. I just still, first of all, he just straight up at the owner's meeting. Sean, he was like, yeah, we need a running back. You know, we really like him in round one. I guess this good guys in round two and three and four you too uh those good guys all over the board and i'm like you're gonna take them also i just keep coming back to you they had the ball for 18 minutes in the

playoff game yeah possession like you don't get over that's good point you spend six months on that shit i mean they they they actually have the worst running back group in the league probably worse than i think the worst three are and you could put them in whatever order you want are the raiders the brachos and the cowboys the raiders is terrible the raiders is bad sincerely the raiders are going to get ashty i know what are the raiders going to do if they don't get jenty who are they going to hand the ball off to. They'll get like a second or third round. Or Quinshawn?

Yeah. The Raiders. Yeah. They'll get to, Quinstein makes a lot of sense for them. That's why I didn't give them Gentie because I was like, Chip is just going to take in our house state running back in the second. We didn't talk about this at the fucking show.

I forgot, but I meant to say the coolest thing the bears could do if they took, if they didn't get Genties gone, the bears took like a defensive alignment at 10. You know the bears could get Traveeon Henderson at 39 and then take Quinnion Johnson at Junkins at 41. You mean the Raiders. No, I'm talking about the, the bears. I'm pivoting. You want them to take both Ohio State guys?

The Bears can just take both of Ohio State running backs in the second round. That would be pretty funny. That'd be crazy. Anyway, sorry. No, that's a-shake and bake. So, yeah, Hampton to the Broncos, which I love. I think, yeah, that one is like the most, this is the most commonly picked. They have Evan Ingram.

They're not taking a tight end. I don't really, I rarely feel like, oh, if this guy doesn't go to this team at 20, I'd be surprised. I'm like, yeah, the Broncos not taking a man. Yeah, that would be a surprise. Although Colston Lovellon might be on the. You think, isn't he, him and Ingram? like, yeah, they're redundant, but, you know, that never really stopped teams before in the past, like, in terms of, Ingram's not young.

He's like 30 years old. Yeah. This is always just like teams hedge in free agency and then they would still take a guy that, you know, younger developmental arc. Like, Colston has a chance to be good for the next like 10 years or whatever. So the next up is my Pittsburgh Steelers. I did not give them a quarterback. I gave them a defensive tackle, which is what I want them to do. I gave them Walter Nolan.

They don't have defensive tackle depth at all. Cam Hayward's like 36. They have Keanu Ben. That's kind of it. They need a detackle straight up to help out. And I gave them Walter Nolan. I refuse to believe, I hate the reports out there from my guys that I'm hearing that that Tomlin's kind of into Chador.

I don't like that. Yeah, but he's into Chatur in the second round, probably. I mean, here's the thing. You know what else we kind of dismissed was the Steelers love Kenny Pickett because they got to know him inside the building because they shared the facility at the University of Pittsburgh. And I'm like, that's bullshit. That's not high NFL teams.

They're not going to take a quarterback because they just got to know Kenny Pickett better. And then lo and behold, they're like, you know, we really love getting to meet Kenny Pickett at the shared facility. And I'm like,

this is how you make decisions? I can't tell what the lesson the Steelers would have learned from the Kenny Pickett thing. You know what I mean? What is the lesson that you shouldn't reach on a rather limited? Don't marry literally the first guy you meet.

Don't take a quarterback just because it's there. Right. But. And also they can't get, They can't get Chador in the second round. They don't have a second round pick because they try it. They would have made it out for 80. Yeah, that's true.

This is like, they get one pick here. I forgot about that. They have to trade up from like 83, which really makes it pretty expensive. But no one's who's trading up. Well, no, they have to trade. No, you have to trade up with the Saints to like give them a quarterback. So it would have to, you'd have to bank that the, that would be if the Steelers want Scheder and they kind of know everyone else wants Jackson Dart.

And I think that, honestly, I think that would be the Steelers betting that no one else wants to deal with Dion. And Tomlin's like, I can deal with Dion. I bet all these other people are afraid to fucking do it. I think that's right. And I think Tomlin would trade back. I mean, this is if they traded back. But I think that frankly, I think that one of the reasons

Shadur is going to fall is because Shadur is like not a special athlete. But the other reason is they're afraid of Dion. And I do think that's, both things are factors. And you can put whatever percentage on it you want. I think Tomlin is just like, I'll fucking go Shudor. I don't give a fuck. Yeah, he's like, D.K. McCaff, George Pickens, Levion, Bell, Antonio.

It doesn't matter. Killing Moore is not bringing Shadur Sanders into his life. There's no fucking way. No. The Steelers were the first team I thought about for like the trade up to Shador. And I think after Pittsburgh goes, I basically think there's no trade up for Shador until 21. I think Pittsburgh is the first team. If somebody's nervous that they might take a quarterback because they need one, they would trade up with Pittsburgh.

After that, it's basically going to be, will somebody just sneak into the first round to steal Shador or Jackson Dardt before the second round begins when the Browns and the Giants have their second picks? I think this is kind of the biggest pick. the pick we're going to be, because here's that, once should your drops pass the Jets, we're going, or the Saints, really. He's not going until Pittsburgh. Once the Saints are picked, yeah, the Saints are picking nine. If the Saints don't take that quarterback there, we're going to be wondering about shit or until 21.

Yes. And if the Steelers don't take him, now we're like, damn, is someone trading back in the Eagles to get him in 10 picks? Like this is quietly one of the biggest. We're going to be waiting on the sister's pick for like 90 minutes. Yeah. So I'm giving them a detackle. I'm giving the Chargers at 22, Colston Lovell and the tight end in Michigan.

Harbaugh, baby. Like that. Yeah. I genuinely wish on Finns. we could bet that the player, the charges take at 22, was offered a scholarship at Jim Harbaugh. I love that.

I can't, I wish I could bet on that. I just, I, maybe Harbaugh is like a, like a, we only take past catchers in the second round type of guy.

And maybe they're going to once again go lineman, which is very Harbaugh. Yeah, but tight end is kind of a lineman. Yeah. That's how they trick him. It's lineman adjacent. Yeah.

Well, no, you don't have to trick him. He fucking played for Jim Harbaugh. I know. Colson Loveland. branded cows in Idaho. Like, you don't have to sell Jim Harbaugh on that.

Yeah. But I'm like, man, it's like, you have Tyler Conklin and Will Disley. I think this is, I wonder about Tyler Booker at this spot for the charges, just a giant maller, like a Harbaas lineman or just another D-Lyman. But now I know. I, there is a chance that Harbaugh is like, I don't spend first round picks on like skill players. Well, he'll do it ever. But I think the charges front office came from Baltimore. And I think they're going to be like value.

Although they've taken tight ends in the first round. Not that it works. before Lamar Jackson That is still the all-time weird That's the wildest Like that is like You're explaining with your grandkids Like it wasn't Lamar Jackson the best player ever

It's like yeah his own team took a fucking 25 year old tight end before that Yeah All right so I'm giving them Loveland next up Green Bay Right I'm giving them the wide receiver A Mecca out of Ohio State Wow That's interesting

What was the thought process here? Originally I was going to give them Matthew Golden like a lid lifter type guy. But then I was like, I think Dallas was going to go with him. And I think, I think Green Bay needs to shake things up on offense. So everyone's like, Green Bay is like,

we need it number one. We need it number one. We need a number one. And you're like, no, take another number two. Take better Romeo dubs. Yeah, in my head, I was like, I think they're going to take the best receiver available. And I think like a competent professional guy

who can be super dependable. over, you know, Don Tavian Wicks can't catch. Christian Watson can't stand the field. Romeo Dobbs is incredibly boring. And Jaden Reed's cool and disappears every other game. They just need somebody who can be like the guy. And because they have all these number twos. Canna But who could be the one who slides in and is like, you know, the guy they can depend on.

And it is important. No, Christian Watson's like not going to contribute this year until like December at the earliest because of the timing of his ACL injury. Right. Yeah. And then Donovan, Donovan, Donovan, Donovan, Dantavian wicks is basically Dontavian Hicks because he can't catch a ball. Wasn't, uh, Josh. Jacobs was saying at the combine or where they needed number one. They needed number one. We thought it was a clapback or whatever.

And then like you watched the video and he's like, no, this is like the perspective of a veteran trying to like really like, I want my team to be good. Yeah. He like really meant it. Like, yeah, no offense to the guys who aren't very good, but we need someone who's really good. It's also funny. Like anytime the Packers take a wide receiver after Aaron Rogers is gone, I love it. Yeah. Also, they're like famously not a team that takes first round receivers. This would be shot. By the standard of mock draft fan fiction to your point TK, this would be stunning. Which is. is why it might happen.

Sure. You know, 15 seats, beat two seats all the time. I think this is the most surprising pick, just based on the history of the team. Packers taking a Bucco. What do you think they're going to do? I mean, just statistically,

probably defense. I think that they need, like, Jaya Alexander, there are certain players that will not all, I would say there's an 80% chance they are traded over the weekend. Top of the list is Jari Alexander for Green Bay.

So they're down a ton of cornerbacks, and they're down, and they pass rushers suck, because they drafted Lucas Van Ness, So a 14th overall pick or whatever, and he still can't start for the team. And they're down cornerbacks. So I think Packers are to me,

this is the prime cornerback range. Like Maxwell Hirsten out of Kentucky to me is like a, like he's the fastest guy at the combine. That to me is a guy that like I could see them taking here. But we'll say, again, this is another like the Jada Baron one to the bucks where I'm like, this is definitely wrong and then it's going to happen.

I gave them Kenneth Grant in my mock. Okay. Did he tackle? Just like, super boring pick. Big ass defensive tackle. Give me one of them big ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All right, next up, 24. Do do, do, do do do do. The Minnesota Vikings have traded the 24th pick to the New Orleans Saints who select quarterback Jackson Dart. Ooh, yeah. The reason why I did this, I do think somebody's going to come up to try to grab a receiver in the first round, get that fifth year. A quarterback you mean?

Sorry, a quarterback in the first round to get that fifth year on the contract and steal one before the Browns or the giant. I think the Saints need a quarterback. They like Jackson DART. And the reason why I picked Minnesota, Minnesota has four picks in this draft. They have the least amount of picks in the entire draft. And, you know, I would say that's a roster that has like a million holes. So I would say, especially with how deep this draft is, and the Saints are a team that doesn't mind trading up.

I think this is a nice, they love it. There's nothing they love more. Can I give, well, a quick aside of this. Yeah. Just a quick note, the Vikings. having only four picks in this draft. Last year, the Vikings traded up from the 23rd pick to the 17th pick. So he moved up seven spots, six spots.

And they took Dallas Turner, the edge rusher from Alabama. And they gave up a fifth rounder and then a third, and third, fourth, and fifth rounder do that. That's one of the worst trades in years because they literally gave up a third, fourth, and fifth to take Dallas Turner. And immediately after those picks were, Jared Verse and Chop Robinson, who were the best two edge rushers in the entire class

and were outrageously good to end the season. And they jumped those guys. And that's why the Vikings don't have picks. And that's what the trade back. So I just want to say, because everyone's like, oh, the Vikings are analytically sound. I'm like,

that was the worst trade anyone made last year. That's all. But anyway, Jackson's Arts in the States, probably more interesting than whatever I'm talking about. Well, I mean, are you saying that the Vikings are too dumb to make this trade? No, they should make it. They need to. They're in a position.

of weakness. They have two picks. They have two picks until the sixth round. Dika, do you think this, do you think, do you,

if the Saints did this, do you think this is smart where the Saints like waiting and then going up and getting him for Jackson Dart? I think it's smarter than going and doing it at 9.

There's also less pressure on that pick. Right. You know, if you take whoever at 9, Dart becomes your second first round pick, there's less pressure on him.

There's less pressure on the organization. Yeah, I don't know. I think, yeah, it's definitely preferable in terms of what they're doing than taking them at 9, taking DART at 9,

trading back up into the first and not having to spend quite as much of a premium. But I don't know, I just still dislike the way that the Saints draft because they just give up picks to like move around and get the guys that they think are going to be so great. They're living for the now. Yeah, it's like, and it's like exactly what we were just talking about. If it's the best drafting teams are the ones that draft volume

because they know there's so much variance with every single player. Just draft by volume, you're going to end up hitting more often. Yeah. So I don't know. I just don't like the like constantly trading up strategy. Do you think if the Saints don't trade up, the Saints have nine picks in this draft?

If they wait until their second round pick, do you think DART is there for them? No, probably not. So that's why I think this does make some sense. If they really are convicted on this guy, they think he's going to be their next starter. They can't wait because waiting would imply that you think the Titans, Browns, Giants.

Maybe not Titans, but yeah, Browns Giants. The Giants are like, rounds, giants, jets. There's a lot of Jackson Dart giant smoke right now. How does that make you feel? Horrible. Horrible. Worse than I already felt.

He's like, I was pretty low already. I thought I felt that. I was talking about door frames or whatever that was. This is that Jackson Dart to the Giants. Would that feel better or worse than two slices of cheesy deep dish at midnight? That made me feel bad to you. All right. I want to cruise through the next three here because they're all big boys.

Houston Texans, Rams, Ravens. Texans, I'm giving a guard, Tyler Booker. Rams, I'm giving a tackle, Josh Simmons out of Ohio State. Baltimore, I'm giving a detackleek Williams out of Ohio State. I'm just going all big boys on the lines. Do we have questions about this? Texans, they need offensive line, in my opinion. Booker's like a really high character guy.

I think the Rams also could use an offensive lineman, and the Ravens kind of a detackle feels right for them too. Yeah. What do you think about that? Tyler Williams seems like a raven for sure. Sure. I like that one. Do you think, are deep?

Yeah, totally. I feel that way. what are your insiders saying? The people I'm hearing across the airwaves who are making a lot of connections with people inside those short offices

they like it. Yeah, yeah. Are you surprised that Ravens taking Williams over Harmon from Oregon? And Craig's fan fiction mock drafts. Right. No, because I think

the way that the Ravens play, it would not surprise me if they really like Tyler Williams. He's just such an amazing run defender. Big, like he's 330 pounds, something like, that, like just a big guy who can move,

plays the run, large guy. Plug and play interior line. I think there's more perceived variance with what Harmon is in terms of he's a gap shooter, he's really slippery pass-fresher. Yeah.

I haven't heard that one. Yeah. I like that. You haven't heard that one? I haven't heard that one. I guess it only made sense sexually in my brain today. He didn't realize that ridiculous gap. He's a gap.

He's a gap penetrator. All the defensive line terms are preposterous. I'm sorry. They're like ridiculous. He slips through the cracks in the line. You know, it's just a penetrating. I love that it's like,

it's like, how can you not be romantic about baseball? I was like, how can you not be sexual? How can you not be a pervert? Yeah, seriously. How can you? One I like the most here is the Rams taking

Josh Simmons out of Ohio State because he's the, he's probably a top 12 pick that is an injury, but like the Rams, yeah, I think they need to replace Rob Havenstein at right tackle,

but like a year from now and Josh Simmons is like perfect for that. And then, so if we keep going, one more of the Lions here. I'm giving them a detackle as well. Derek Harmon at Oregon, the guy we were just talking about. I love that. Oregon Connection Penae Sewell, a duck.

There we go. You know? They trust those guys. They have a guy from that school. Yeah. They can get another guy from that school. They trust those guys. They trust the line over there. Yeah, yeah. The line development. That's good. Yeah. And, you know, sure, the Lions detackle. Smart teams take linemen. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Especially at the end of the, you know, at the end of the round. I like that.

I think this is a great value pick for the Lions. Sweet. Yeah. That's actually, we should go back through these and be like, just like, Yeah, you know, Miss, you know, Broncos, North Carolina, or Manhattan. They have another guy from North Carolina.

Sure. Yeah. That's good. They're friends. Yeah. Jim Harba was going to take Michigan players. Commanders, I'm giving them an edge rusher.

James Pierce at a Tennessee. How do we feel? I mean, it makes sense. They definitely need pass rushers. There's a lot of Pierce to the Falcon smoke right now. Well, you gave the Falcons Schmar Stewart. But so my point is, Pierce might not be there when they draft here.

but if he, I don't know, he's one of those guys where I think there are really widely varying opinions on him in the league. And so like, it wouldn't surprise me whatsoever if he goes middle of the first or into the second. So I think this one makes sense. They certainly need to.

I feel really strongly about this one. I've done a lot of research on it. Yeah, yeah. I feel really compelled that. Okay. It will be James Pierce to Washington. Oh. Just break that out.

Wow. Okay. Do you think that he's going to go like 29 or 30? I feel like Craig knows something that we don't know. Craig knows something that the instance. Siders, no. He heard it. I think kind of, I think, I think I've been listening to Pod. I didn't hear that pod. I've been listening to Pod you never fucking heard of.

I never, I never listened to the pod you listen to. This whole premise is so ridiculous. I love it. I listen to Pods with less than a hundred listeners. Okay. Okay. My guys are in the trenches. You're out here taking grenades.

You never understand the level I'm on. God, damn it. I wish I would have listened to that pod. Okay, well, that's good. The audio quality of the pods I listen to, dog shit. That's how good they are. That's how good they are. My guys are underwater recording these pods.

They know one thing and one thing only. Scouting prospects. They don't know anything about audio. They're using the oldest AirPods you've ever seen in your life. They're wired. Okay. Three more. Bill's Chiefs Eagles.

I feel the least confident about the bills. So I'm going to skip them for a moment. I'm giving the Chiefs a tackle. Josh Connerley out of Oregon. Duck. For reasons we've discussed all off-season. Duck. Hold on. Are there any more ducks on the...

Harmon and the Chiefs? Oh, are there? No, I don't think there are. Maybe. Is Storm Duck? We're Storm ducks on the dolphins. Storm duck's a dolphin. Storm dolphin.

Craig? I still change his name to whatever team is on. Craig. Craig. My Roman Empire is Craig going, Imagine if your daughter brought home her new boyfriend from college. And she was like, hey, dad, meet my new boyfriend. Storm duck.

Get the fuck out of my house. You know the Harrison Ford? Storm duck. The Harrison Ford video when David Blaine comes and does the magic trick. And he's like, hey, you have to cut up with a grapefruit. And the grapefruit and Harrison Ford just looks at him. He goes, get out of my head. Oh, my God.

So I'm giving a tackle to the chiefs for obvious reasons. For Christ's sake. I mean, this team got blown up in the Super Bowl. My homes a sex six times. They didn't blitz once, the Eagles. So I'm giving them in alignment. If they don't do that, I'm going to be supremely disappointed in them. And it's arrogant if they don't.

And then the Eagles, the Eagles, it's like, I don't know, what do you give somebody who has everything? I gave them an edge rusher. Donovan, Ezriaku. Zeraku. Close enough. Out of Boston College. They, like, quietly lost a few guys on the defensive line, the Eagles. And so I think they double down on that and keep bolstering that.

So I want to go back to the bills. I gave them to the safety Malachi Starks out of Georgia. I know safeties are not the hottest picks in the first round. But I feel like the bills kind of like could do whatever they want. And I feel like Malachi Starks from a talent standpoint is pretty dope. I mean, I think that's a great value for them. Yeah, that's a great pick for them. But I also know that it's like safety first round, maybe not.

I'm still trying to find if there's a lot. I'm still trying to look on the Chiefs roster to see if there's any ducks. There's a lot. But they do have a lot of Pact 12 RIP guys. Trent, Trent McDuffie, Jalen Watson. That's about it. Okay, that's good to know.

Thank you. Let us know if you find a duck. I'm still looking. Yeah, keep going. Okay. So, Hyvet, how have these last three? Bill's Chiefs Eagles. Bill's, I literally couldn't put it better than you did.

She's did that the Chief's not taking a tackle of Josh Connerly or someone's there is literally just arrogant. It's crazy of them. I agree that the Eagles. stack you a pass rusher. I think the bill's thinking Malachi Starks. I think Malachi Starks is the epitome of like, you know, he didn't run a 40 as fast as Nick Mn-Wry,

but I'm kind of like, dude, Malachi Starks is a fucking baller. And I just, I just think Malachi Starks, I actually kind of do think he falls out of the first round. Because of his position? But I think Malachi, um, I think it's just, I think that there's just a weird bias to like, to me, he's actually as good of a chance of any of these guys as being an A-minus. Like, just in the NFL.

You know, I think that he's just like a classic, like he'll be a 91 in Madden in three years. And I kind of look and I'm like, I don't know how many these guys are going to get to a 91 in Madden. I'm kind of like quietly Malachi-Starks could easily do it. And for some reason, just the combo of like there's no crazy physical trait. He just fucking knows it to play defense. And I'm not saying he's like Brian Branch necessarily,

but the same reason Brian Branch fell to like 30, whatever in the draft. And then like literally week one of his first game, and you're like, oh my God, this guy's incredible. There's just a certain bias sometimes against guys that are just like so versatile and able to move. but I like him a lot. But I kind of still think the bills, there's just such a biased

to where traits in the first round, but I wonder if the bills would take Maxwell Harrison, that like fast cornerback or just, or as a rock or a pass rusher, but, I had Trey Amos in my job,

mock. Trey Amos, like, there's just like such a biased. Basically, those guys don't come back around. Frankly, crazy athletes that can play

don't come back around at the end of the second round, but sub elite athletes that can play football do sometimes. I don't know, this is a, dumb way to say it. Starks is the unfortunate

just coincidence of being in the same draft as Nick Eman Worry, who is one of the most athletic players ever. Yeah, it's like a six, three guys did an extra six six guys. And so it's like, I think a lot of teams went into the combine being very excited about Starks

and I think he's a really good player. And then they're like, those two guys stood next to each other. But who's better at playing football? Starks. I would argue. Yeah, I think so too. Hardcore Milo Starks,

personally. But Emin Worry has higher upside because he's like a freak actor. Starks is, I think. The upside thing is always sort of just vague and who knows. Do you think this is, what do you think? What do you think? When I think of Mn Mn Mawrie v. Malachi Starks' safety,

Craig's rule of who we drafted like the day after the college football season ended. Yes. Malcoe Starks would go so much higher. Probably, yeah. And then we have the off seas. You're like, dude, but what if he kind of, he's faster? He kind of just like slowly faded during the draft process because he doesn't stand out. Sark did, yeah.

Those are all the guys I want. Because he doesn't stand out in any particular way. You know what I mean? those guys. This is not the environment. I want the guy who is fucking awesome at Georgia. Right, Malachi Starks. Honestly, the funniest thing would be if you flip these picks and if the bills took

as Raku and then the Eagles got Malachi Starks and just added another fucking Georgia defender and they added Starks Cooper to Gene and Mitchell, which would be like disgusting. I gave Starks to the Ravens and for all the same reasons that you guys are talking about this. Oh my God, that is what's going to happen. He's right. Just because like, you're going to take Malichai Starks.

And they have him and John and Hamilton. fell because of like so many of the same reasons you know. D.K's right. D.K.'s right. Malco starts going to be the Ravens and here's why. The whole defense collapsed for the Ravens last year because Marcus Williams just couldn't play safety. And they'd move Kyle Hamilton away from New Orleans scrimmage to free safety. And they had to put him. Ardarius Washington. Washington who's like five nine one eighty five dripping wet. And like they had to put him to strong safety and go frogs. Frogs. They had to put him at five. But like he's a five foot nine.

strong safety. And like if he got hurt, they had no. But they were like, remember they were like a bottom five defense the first eight weeks of the season top five. It was after they moved him. But that's not a real solution. I actually think, yeah, starts to the rain. It makes a ton of sense.

Okay. Well, I think, yeah. I like this one too, though. I think the bill scooping him up late in the first makes tons of sense. All right. Well, there's my mock. Should I make any adjustments? I kind of think, no.

You guys gave me some good notes for like there was five to seven picks that you politely pushed back on, which I appreciate. But now it's like, I just don't want to touch anything because what if I was, what if I'm right? And I change it. I haven't really want to be the one to talk you. I'd rather you be wrong. Totally. And I'd be like, if you'd listen to me be right, then me change your mind and then you're wrong because of me. I don't want to live that way.

All right. Here it is. I think this is a perfect mock. 1.0. Day before the draft. Are you ever going to do another one? Is this your last mock? It's my last one. I can't even begin to explain to you how much I was shocked, Craig was like texting me while he's on the plane asking me about mock dress is like are you all right man like what's going on yeah i was in the lab listening to my precogs i just watched

minority report my precogs in that pool of milk they were speaking to me they were moving things around i was you know listening to my guys yeah yeah yeah hearing rumors what are the jags talk what the Jags thinking. Connecting dots. Yeah. Okay. That's it. Let's go fly home.

Let's get the fucking out of here. Okay. Thursday. We're going to do after round one. Thursday night. After round two, Friday. Friday, no, round two and three on Friday. God, I can't speak English. Another show like at first thing Monday morning with the whole draft recap.

And then we're talking more like, you know, who's one in the off season here? We're going more fantasy stuff. We're going to have our fantasy rankings out later next week. Again, changing the ringer fantasy football show. Just sit follow. We don't even be like the whole like and subscribe thing. We just say it when we change the name of the show. I know it's dumb.

We changed the name of the show. I'm sorry, but like we're changing it back. So it's fine. So you have to worry about it forever. You're not a mic. They can't hear you. Austin says he likes her. He also likes it.

Thank you to everybody who came out to Lincoln Hall last night in Chicago. Hell yeah. That was super fun. Chicago's a great city. The weather's been lovely. We've had a great time. I wish we were staying longer. Yeah, we hung out at a restaurant on the river.

What was it called? River roast? Yes. Yeah. Right. And that was fun. River. River roast,

That was fun. A lot of people made jokes about the Dave Matthews band shit thing that happened. What? Oh, is that real story? It is a real story, yeah. What was it?

Their tour bus dumped their tour bus dumped their sewage container out into the river Which is that one you do that? It landed on a boat Landed on a boat which I saw the line for the boat Now I get how that would be disaster That's tough. That was a big boat open air

The shit landing on the boat. Oh my God. You imagine being on that boat? I would sue the shit out of that Literally Good one I gotta make money off of this

What if they were big Dave Matthews fans on the boat though I think you parlay it for lifetime There are some sickos out there Who would pay for things like that That would cost money yeah Didn't Madonna sell like Didn't Madonna sell like chewing gum For like $100,000?

Sell her what? She sold like chewing gum No someone sold Madonna's chewing gum People sell bath water What People sell bath water Yeah. Should we sell bathwater?

I don't think anyone's going to be buying your bathwater. It's for charity. What charity? Danny Hyphitz. I don't know. The Danny Hyphitz Foundation. Danny Hypatts Foundation. Cats and walls.

Cats and walls. We're getting them out. More cats. Get Danny more cats. That'll be one of our specialty cocktails at the Gentleman's Piss Club. It'll be the bathwater. The D.H. Bathwater. The Hyphids is bathwater.

God. It's just. Gin and vodka with olive juice. It's a dirty martini. Extremely dirty. Bath water. All right. So did we like the pre-drafts?

How did we do? We like this? Yeah, it was perfect. All right, cool. I'm going to start writing up my grades right now. Just create Craig's draft. A plus. A plus.

A plus. A plus. All right. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you for listening for this whole pre-draft thing.

Now we can talk about stuff. actually is going to happen going forward, which is cool. Thank you for listening, especially thank you everyone sticks with us after the draft, and we can go back to the Rear Fantasy Football Show. And of course, thank you everyone came out to the Chicago Live Show, which was awesome. And you guys were really like earnestly nice and kind, and it was very humbling. Thank you. And thank you, Lord.

Lauren. Thank you twice. Yeah, we didn't know that. That was the first time in a while. I think the three of us didn't know a band. Yeah. Carlos said he texted this morning. that twice is now officially the biggest and most embarrassing thing that we hadn't heard of.

So twice, just for context. And I still don't know who twice is. The live show, the live show last night, I played a game with them called Lala Palooza this year or Chicago restaurant. And the last one I did was twice. And they both thought it was a restaurant. And twice is literally headlining Lollapaloo. 10.5 monthly, 10.5 million monthly listeners on Spotify. Yeah, K-pop.

Pretty good. Hold on 10.5. I want to compare that to like the Beatles or something. I don't know if that's the best comp. Well, give me a good comp. Give me a good comp. The Beatles, Spotify numbers don't seem. Like Sabrina Carpenter.

Sabrina. Yeah, that's probably more accurate. Sabrina Carpenter gets $66 million. She's more than 10. 66 million. So she's way up there. Yeah. Well, Sab Cars.

Goated. What about, what about Tate and Cray? Dude, the Jesus is a carpenter shirt. She wore Coachella's pretty sick t-shirt. I feel like Tate McCray's getting more views on YouTube. then listen to Zincla if you catch my drift. 49 million active because of all the adversity

that Tate's been through. She's really saying something. Do you think we could get Tate on the show? No. The Beatles, by the way, is 32 million. Twice isn't that big. Probably a third of the Beatles. More like once.

Goodbye, everyone.