The Ringer NFL Show - Davante and Amari Trades, Plus Power Ranking the Next Gen of NFL Superstars With Sean Fennessey

Episode Date: October 16, 2024

The guys are joined by Sean Fennessey to react to the Jets trading for Davante Adams, the Bills trading for Amari Cooper, and what the blockbuster moves mean for each team (1:45). Along the way, they talk about the Steelers potentially starting Russell Wilson over Justin Fields (19:00). Next, POWER HOUR! They discuss which players are ready to take the leap and make it into the exclusive NFL superstar club, including the rookies of the year, a couple of Brocks, DK’s guy, and more (28:02). Plus, Fantasy Court and emails (64:08)! Just the most exciting rookie QB in the league (32:38) The best Bears QB maybe…ever? (34:50) If Malik Nabers doesn’t turn out to be a superstar, blame Travis Scott (37:27) Get well soon, Nico! (40:09) JAMO (43:00) The Sonic to David Montgomery’s Knuckles (45:19) DK will die on the Kenneth Walker hill (48:46) Brock #1 (51:04) Brock #2 (55:13) Who else is on the cusp of superstardom? (57:53) Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Guest: Sean Fennessey Social: Kiera Givens Producer: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Did you know that scientific studies have found most people lie once every 10 minutes? In my new podcast, Truthless, I'm talking to people about the lies, they tell, from faking illnesses in high-pressure moments to making up stories on national TV. From Spotify and the Ringer Podcast Network, I'm Brian Phillips. Listen to Truthless on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Show. My name is Danny Hypertz, and I'm joined by Danny Kelly, Craig Rolbeck, and the Ringer Head of Content and Torture Jets fans. Sean, welcome to the show. Wow. Thank you so much, guys. So happy to be here. It's honestly disorienting hearing the intro music at 1X speed because I listen to you guys at 2X all the time. Oh, no. You're like Austin Dale.

I have that same thing. And then when we start talking, we just sound drunk at 1x speed. You do. You do right now. Are you not drunk right now, Danny? It's almost happy hour time here on the West Coast. Yeah. D.K. stopped drinking for the show when he had a kid. So I'm just the only one that drinks before the show now. But no. So today it is power hour. And we power rank something. And today we're going to be power ranking. The next superstars in the NFL. But first, there was just too much news today. So we're just going to go through all the news. And we just drag Sean, Devonty Adams. traded to the New York Jets. Jets get Devante Adams and they pay his salary. Raiders get a conditional third round pick. Devante, if he's on the Jets roster for the AFC championship game

or the Super Bowl, it becomes the second round pick. Sean, what was your, where were you and what was your first reaction when you saw that Devante Adams was on the Jets? I was getting my three-year-old daughter dressed to go to preschool and I saw the trade and I thought, well, what a pathetic move by a pathetic franchise. What a sad state of affairs this is by the worst run organization in professional sports that they waited until they were two and four

and they now need to go nine and two effectively to make the playoffs after not making the playoffs for 13 consecutive years. And Woody Johnson is incompetent and I hate everything. That's how I felt. You know when you're like, if you go out on a weeknight

and you end up having more drinks than you thought and you're kind of drunk and it's like a Wednesday and you're like, it's 11 p.m. And you're like, what's one more shot? I'm already having fun. What's one more shot of whiskey? I feel like that's what the Jets did. Sean, you got to be all in on this.

I really think so. This is great. Who cares? Bruey Aaron Rogers' best friend. Why not? Nothing to lose. Nothing to lose. Take one more shot. You've already had five. Definitely. Can we get T.O. out of retirement, too?

Who else can we bring onto this team? You know, why not? If we're just taking chances here. No, this is a, guys, this is a joke. Maybe it'll be fine and they'll win nine or ten games, but this is a pathetic last-ditch effort from an organization. that has not known what they are doing for 15 consecutive years. And I feel horrible about it.

I think it's tough because I actually, part of me actually thinks that I want to say it is a good idea. But I think it makes sense. I can follow the logic because there's an element of it that it's breaking bad, like no half measures, Walter. You know what I mean? Like you might as well go all in on the St. John Rogers thing instead of pulling the plug,

but also breaking bad is very much about going down the wrong path and being like way too deep in the whole time. So I don't know if that's the best metaphor. But I mean, I think Adams is good, but I agree that it's crazy. Just Woody Johnson doing this five weeks in, is that the part that bothers you the most? Or is it just, does it bother you, they've ceded control to Aaron Rogers? Or does it bother you that it took this long to actually make these decisions? It's a really good question.

I mean, I want to hear what you guys think about the move in general and kind of like if it actually could turn their fortunes. But certainly wide receiver connection with the quarterback has been an issue with the team. We just watched a game yesterday where Mike Williams ran the wrong. out and then fell down on the ground for the second consecutive game and had a ball intercepted to close out the fourth quarter. That's not good. If you put Devante Adams in that position, maybe they win that game. Maybe they win the game the week before.

If he's there three weeks ago, maybe they win that Broncos game. And all of a sudden, you're a team that's sitting at four and two or maybe even five and one and things feel a lot different. But the run defense has been mediocre to bad. The running game has been mediocre to bad. Tyron Smith looks like he's 85 years old. Morgan Moses has already missed two weeks due to injury and he's 34 years old and not getting any younger. And this is an administration on its last legs that's already fired its first head coach this season.

Let's just game it out for a second. Let's say for the sake of conversation, they do turn it around and they do go nine and two. And the Jets finish with an 11 and 6 record and they finish second in the AFC East and they get a wild card spot. and they play in the wild card round and they lose to a superior team. Then what happens? Aaron Rogers is 41 and Devante Adams is 32

and Garrett Wilson and Soss Gardner and Breeze Hall need contract extensions and the Jets have no quarterback or coach of the future? I honestly don't know what the move here is. If this was week two or week three, I would have said, sure,

fire Sala, bring in Devante Adams, try to shore up, find another run-stuffing DT, and then talk to me. But on the brink of a lost season, it just feels like a rich guy being like, fuck it, I'll try one more time. And then I'm not going to have to try for another five years because we're going to draft a QB and be in a developmental phase like we have been for the last 20 years. So I feel like this is really quite sad. And I'm excited to watch Devante Adams catch touchdowns, but otherwise it feels like a mistake. Yeah, Deket, do you think Devante Adams is still like an elite receiver? I think maybe elite might be a little strong,

but he's still very good, yes. And especially with a quarterback like Aaron Rogers where they can isolate him. And we've talked about this the whole season. The offense runs very, it's like in Fitzin starts when Aaron Rogers is playing because he gets to the line, he changes everything. He lets the clock run down to one second every single time.

It's a very slow offense, but he's doing all the manipulation at the line of scrimmage. And it really helps to have receivers that are on the same page with him. This is why for like a decade we've been talking about. He doesn't like playing with rookie receivers. He doesn't like playing with receivers that he doesn't know. He brings Randall Cobb and Alan Lazard wherever he goes. Because you have to be on the same page.

It's very like, you know, it has to be a perfectly finely tuned machine to work. Yeah, Craig compared it to a car that only Devante Adams knows how to fix. Or he's like a chef in a kitchen who like brings his guys when he starts a new restaurant because he runs a tight ship. You know? Mike Williams, not only did he screw up that interception. There was also a critical third down where he was supposed to run like a quick slant. He didn't get his head around quick enough.

The ball hit him literally in the nuts and Aaron Rogers was pissed at him. So I don't think this is, this is not the issue for the Jets. It wasn't like they need another wide receiver. That's the difference. Because, yeah, I mean, they fired their defensive head coordinator

even though the defense wasn't the problem. Pardon me, it's funny that Woody Johnson in his interview used a Talladega Knights quote. That was like, oh my God. Don't think. Like, you're not a thinker, you're a driver. I was like, I don't know if you should be promoting the idea of that you're not thinking. He should have used, also that quote's not famous from that movie.

He said, thinking's overrated. Thinking's overrated. Thinking's overrated. When that's not even the quote from a movie, it's you're not a thinker, you're a driver. Also, that's not a famous quote from the movie. He really should have said if you're not first, your last. I feel like that is what he was going for. And that's the quote everybody knows.

And all they've been is last. Their fifth in AFC East Division titles has only four teams in the AFC East. Did you guys know that the Jets have eight consecutive losing seasons? Like it's often cited that they have gone out on 13 years without making the playoffs. But they are nearing the all-time record for they're going to be among the top 10 all-time losing its consecutive franchises if they lose again this year. I think they'd be tied for seventh overall with nine straight seasons without a winning season. That's fucking insane in the age of parody. How are they doing?

They should be studied how incompetent they are. Well, that's why they're doing this. They're desperate to that in that, like, talking point. Literally, they just don't want that talking point to happen. I really do think that that is so much of it. I think that's so much of it. It's, I think we forget with athletes and with billionaires and all these people that, like, just as much as winning, nobody wants to be publicly humiliated.

And I really do think the ambassador thing is a huge part of what just happened. But the last seven days, Robert Sala. Like, like, Eric Mancini called this before the game even happened that, like, if Robert Sala lost that London game in front of, like, I live in D. my fiance is in this international relations field. Flex. Flex. Flex.

But like ambassadors do need to be called ambassador. They need to be announced into a room when they enter. Like they need like invitations and stuff. Like when Woody Johnson goes back to England and sits in that suite in London and his team sucks. And his brother, Frato Corleone, just ruined the team when he left. And he comes back and he's like, let me get straight. But White Sox are the worst team in the history of baseball. and they were in the playoffs like three years ago,

and we haven't made the playoffs in 13 years, and we're into York. I do think that it has been a seven-day tilt where between firing Sala, which I don't know what that was supposed to accomplish. And I swear to God they win the game if they'd Sala kept the coach. I know that's an impossible thing to say,

but I don't know. Sean, what do you, are you net, net? Are you upset right now? Because I feel like on one hand, the Jets are pathetic. And on the other hand, you do have Aaron Rogers and Devante Adams, the Mets and the Yankees

I know you're not a Yankees fan, but Mets are in the, and they're both in the championship series in baseball, and the next are about to have the most exciting season in my entire life, and then the Liberty and the WMBA final.

So like, are you happy as a person or are you saying? Well, I mean, I've built this like abandoned tower of pain that's part of my podcast persona that is like, whoa, is me, the Jets, right?

So I did this to myself. And I have let Bill Simmons continue to add floors to this tower that I've built and make it feel worse and worse every year. year. So there's a performative aspect to this that I can't deny. But when you watch a game like last night's game, how could you be happy? Like, it's not just that they lose. They lose in

tremendously embarrassing fashion in close games. I think they've now lost three consecutive games by a total margin of seven points. That's embarrassing. They're a sad franchise. So set aside the Mets thing because whatever's happening with the Mets is magical. It almost never happens in sports for teams that I root for. And I'm very excited about it. I'm not. I'm not. like utterly depressed. I have an incredible life. If you knew how fun my life is relative to where it was 20 years ago, it's going great. Football though is something I genuinely love and watch every Sunday religiously and have since I was seven years old. And so to not be able to have personal happiness inside something that I genuinely enjoy is just tremendously frustrating. And to know that, you know,

you pointed out that Woody Johnson is the ambassador to England during Trump's presidency. this wasn't like nine weeks ago. This was four years ago. There's an election coming up right now. Christopher Johnson did fuck. He did screw everything up when he was running the team for those years. But like the guy has had four full years to get this back on track and it has not happened. So I'm kind of done with that excuse.

You know, Bill Balli-Cechek said it on the Manning cast last night. Ready Fire aim has always been the way that he has managed the team. We see since he bought the team from Leon Hess that he's just not well suited to this work. The NFL has been riddled with incompetent owners over that period of time, but he really is in the bottom quartile, if not in the bottom five, in terms of lack of success. So now we see, like, we're at the end of this era where they tried to reset with Joe Douglas, Robert Sala, and Zach Wilson.

It didn't work. They're doing this last-ditch thing. It's not going to work. In all likelihood, Joe Douglas is going to get fired with like a 35 and 67 career record as the general manager of the Jets, which is insane that he has gotten this long of a run and still hasn't built an offensive line. And so as I look at like another rebuild in my mid-40s, it's all starting to hit me, guys.

That's why we have this one beautiful season with DeFonte Adams, Aaron Rogers, and Karen Wilson to win the Super Bowl. Yeah, it's like two 33-year-old tackles, a 31-year-old receiver to the oldest active player in the NFL. I remember, Sean, you came on the show a few years ago. I believe it was either before,

after the Jets had drafted Zach Wilson. It was right after awful 2020 season. And you asked D.K. What should I do? You basically told a story about you were screaming at the Jets or maybe Zach Wilson mid-2020 season. And your wife was like, do you not find this like unbecoming that you're like 39 and you just screaming at the television because this 21-year-old kid's bad at football? And you were like, D.K., what should I do with myself? What do I do?

And D.K., you were like, oh, nihilism. Just believe in nothing. Yeah, yeah. And I'm curious, D.K., are you still that shit? Should he still believe it in nothing? Yeah. It's a discipline, really. You know, you have to train yourself and hone it.

Hone that nihilistic discipline. I got to tell you, it feels phenomenal. When you don't set an expectation, you don't get sad when something happens. And I got to tell you, I feel phenomenal. Sean, don't lie, though. Next Sunday against the Steelers, you are going to be excited to watch Aaron Rogers throw a football to Devante Adams. Yeah, I'm going to sit right next to you in the Spotify screening. I'm watching the game.

I think it's hard to get to that place. And frankly, as three guys who have all experienced a Super Bowl title in the last 20 years, like, I'm just not interested in your opinion. Like, I really don't care. You guys don't know what you're talking about. You cannot understand where I'm coming from. The Jets have not won a title since 1969. So let that sink in.

But before the moon landing, allegedly, for Aaron Rogers. the other one. I also just while we're here, I want to talk about, it's so funny to me, I don't know if this has ever happened where there's a Monday night football game, Bill's Jets that winner was going to leave with the division title. And then the Jets had Devante Adams. And like an hour later, two hours later,

the bills trade for Marri Cooper from the Browns. And I want to get to Deakin a second, but Sean, did that even change how you felt about the Jets and the Adams trade? Or did you change how you feel about the bills or anything with the bills adding Cooper? What was the compensation in that trade? So the Browns got a third rounder in,

2025 and his seventh in 2026, and the bills get Cooper and his sixth in 2025. Really, it's really Amari Cooper for a third round pick. More or less the same then for this. Essentially the same compensation. Except the Jets are paying Devante's full salary, which is like 10 million, right? And Amari is much cheaper. Okay. Well, I saw some stats this morning that Amari Cooper has been the worst graded receiver in the NFL through the first six games.

Is that accurate? Well, he's got the worst attorneys in the world, though, Mari, Cooper. Yeah. Okay. All right. He also has the most uncatchable, like. passes of any receiver by far. Good point.

His drops are not the same as Alan Lazard's drops where the ball is being dumped directly into his hands and he can't seem to hold on. I think the bills getting stronger is not good. It's pretty clear that the bills who have won four consecutive division

titles and seem to be on their way to a fifth are even if it's just 5%, they are more disciplined than the Jets. And so adding more talent around Josh Allen is not great. And I don't know, Devante Adams,

it's going to be sick when he's playing left tackle and DT and running from the ex position. It's going to be really exciting. You know, it's funny how quickly the Jets or the bills

were like, yeah, we need a wide receiver. Like, it's funny that the, the Chiefs traded away Tyree Kill and won two Super Bowls and the bills played six games

and are like, ah, I don't know if we can do this. We can't do it with Khalil Jr. I mean, they really didn't look very good. Like, they really should have lost

the Jets last night. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's wake up call. Yeah. D.K., do you think the bills, do you think it's the bills adding Cooper is more about just, I mean, they've been banged up. Curtis Samuel had been dealing with turf toe. Khalil Shakir is banged up.

But I've been wondering if it's really just Keon Coleman cannot catch and kind of doesn't seem like he's built for the Super Bowl run. I don't know if that's it alone. But yeah, I mean, I think at the end of the day, like if, if Mack Collins is like a big part of your offense,

you probably should like figure out a way to get more talent infused in there. I think Mark Cooper is the perfect, like, addition to this offense. Basically, he's a really good route runner. He can get open. He can separate. He's been a little inconsistent over the years with his hands, but, like, he's, he's a very reliable receiver. He's proven it. He's done it. And he's an outside guy that can, like,

come in and, like, hit the ground running from day one. And Khalil Shakur's not a number one. He's like a good role playing number two, slot guy. Keon Coleman, I think, has a future in the league, but he's right now basically, like, the only thing they do is, like, throw like 50, 50 balls to him, and he hasn't really been catching that many of them. It was like 1090 balls. I think, yeah, they just needed an infusion of,

of talent and skill in this offense, and I think this is going to be perfect for them, because, you know, they tried to do it. I think they thought maybe, like, Dalton Kikay could be their number one. It hasn't really panned out for them. He's, like, again, a solid, like, you know, complimentary player, but he's not, like,

a true number one type of guy. So having a guy that can, like, move the chains, create some big plays and do it pretty cheaply for them. I think it's perfect. Plus he's not Stefan Diggs, who like Josh Allen and Stefan Dakes don't have a great relationship, I don't think, right now. I also learned that Marty Cooper was born on June 17th,

1994, the OJ Simpson Car Chase Day, that there was a 30-for-30 about, which I don't know what to make of that, but that's the day he came in the world. Is that right? Okay. That means something to you? I don't know. I just thought that was remarkable, but...

Do you think the car chase put his mother into labor? So she got so excited. She was like, what is happening? And then Waterbrook? Yeah, probably. Could have been that next playoff game that was happening at the same time, though. That was an epic moment.

Where was Amari Cooper born? Heartbroken. Well, maybe she was just heartbroken. Was it Jack Nicholas's last US Open? Yeah, it was a special day. Great documentary about that in 30 for 30. Highly recommend directed by Brett Morgan. Nice.

Amari Cooper was born in Miami, Florida. So I don't know. Okay. Not a Knicks fan. While we are just doing a little fan therapy here, Sean, if you don't mind stick a, around. I mean, Craig, I would like to ask you about Mike Tomlin's very weird coach-speak, implying that Russell Wilson will start over Justin Fields this week and going forward. Yeah, I don't know why the Steelers, or I guess Mike Tomliss just treating like, treating Justin

Fields like he was Cooper Rush this whole time. And like Russell Wilson is Dak Prescott. Tomlin was asked today about, no, the Steelers are 28th in passing yards. What do you think about that? And he's like, I'm not worried about statistics. Stats are for losers. And I'm like, well, we're four and two, man. And we're four and one on the road. And Fields has two turnovers in six games. And we just had our biggest win of the season. And I would argue that the reason why the Steelers have been able to stay afloat this season,

because the offensive line has been in Chambles. The only reason why the Steelers have been able to stay afloat is because of Justin Fields' mobility. It's like the only thing that has kept the Steelers in this game. The Steelers are like second to last and pass blocking this year. It's been a disaster. And we're going to replace him with. with a guy who's 35 years old, coming off a calf injury, who is no longer mobile, who has been sacked more than any other quarterback in the last two years after a big win.

That's the plan. I don't understand it. Doesn't sound like you're subscribing to nihilism, Craig. Not yet. You know, those nine and eight seasons every single year are kind of keeping me alive, I guess. I also just don't know, like, if you bring in Russ now and Russ sucks, you go back to fields. I don't know how that's going to work. I don't know why you just ride this out.

He's also speaking of a ride He had the Broncos country Let's ride. He's unveiling his new slogan. Is he really? He gets the start and I believe it's going to be like, like go for the seventh, the seventh ring in Steelers history,

but he's unveil. He has a new slogan that. Wait, are you being serious or is that? Yes, I've heard this. I've heard that this is happening. He has a slogan that he will unveil when he starts. Is it possible that this is an okey doke by the Steelers,

that they're actually going to start fields and that they're trying to throw the jets off the scent? Because like just coming off of the end of that, Jets Bills game where Josh Allen just runs right past Michael Clemens for the final first time of the game, which was just a deeply sad metaphor for everything.

You know, obviously mobile quarterbacks are a challenge for teams, especially teams that struggle against the run, especially teams that have a lot of injuries and their lineback in core and their secondary like the Jets. Isn't Fields a way more obvious choice to play against the Jets? I think he's the more obvious choice

to play against anybody right now. I mean, I just can't. If Steelers If Steelers fans watch Russell Wilson lose to the Jets after, I mean, I think that there will be a revolt. Yeah. So I don't really understand it at all. I don't know what the hell Tom was doing. But he probably, I think maybe he believes in nothing because he'll know he'll go nine and eight no matter what. We actually, and I look looking at the schedule, it is a guarantee.

It is a certified certainty that we will go nine and eight. I will, we will exactly go nine and eight this year, I'm predicting that. No matter who's the quarterback. Maybe give the easy wins to fields and the hard games to Russell Wilson so that run Russell Wilson loses, he takes the L's, and then everyone knows fields. I think Tomlin is getting too far away from 500. He's getting nervous. He can't be 5 and 2.

He doesn't like it. Do you think they'll, who do you think will win on Sunday, Craig? Like in your heart of hearts, will the Jets win or the Steelers? Who's starting? It's going to be Russell Wilson versus Aaron Rogers. I think the Jets will win that game. D.K., what do you think? I agree, I think.

here's the problem. I think with Wilson, the sacks are going to be just debilitating for the offense. They don't have a good run game. Najee Harris, outside of like that one really good run last Sunday has been very not dynamic, not breaking a lot of tackles, not creating out of structure. And like you said,

I think that play by Josh Allen, where he got the game ceiling first down is like a great microcosm for like why Justin Fields actually works for the Steelers. It's like he can draw, drop back. If his Reid isn't there, he can take off running and he can beat a defensive end to the edge. I think there was a touchdown play, I think from last week or the week before, where he just outran a defender and a defensive end and just beat him to the corner and scored a touchdown. And I'm like, there's like very few quarterbacks right now that can do that.

And even if he's not like the best passer in the world, like that gives you guys better, that gives the Steelers a better chance to win. So I don't know. I just feel like he's going to get sacked like six times and then Steelers are going to lose. and they're going to be like, everyone's going to be like, why did we do this again? I forgot. Why did we switch?

Here's the thing, though. My encounter would be, you know who else going to get sacked and can't move? Aaron Rogers, he's been limping around for like three weeks. He's getting the crap kicked out of him. He's getting clobbered. Now it's going to be T.J. Watt going against,

as Sean said, ancient Tyrone Smith. And I have to say, the nihilist, if you don't like the Jets, the funniest possible outcome would be they trade for Devante Adams and then T. plants Rogers under the turf and then he's out for the season.

And then now it's Tyrod Taylor and Devante Adams who don't have any history whatsoever. It's frankly, it's what we deserve. I got to be honest. Just waiting this long, signing a bunch of 30-somethings past their prime. It's what they deserve. DH, I have a quick question for you, though, before I go. So now that you've planted roots in Washington, D.C., and the giants are maybe an even bigger embarrassment than the Jets, are you ready to throw in with Jaden Daniels and just

fully get behind the commanders long term? No. That's honestly an insulting question. I feel like that was almost like a shot of my integrity. But I will say the Giants and Jets are tied for the worst record in the NFL over the last seven years. They're equally awful. Wow. And I think, so I think what's weird, it's funny.

There are times where I've wondered if I like the Giants less since I started doing this professionally. And I have a very maternal Giants family. My grandmother, my mom, like, just we're psychopaths. We're, My mom stands by the second panel of the refrigerator on defense. And, like, we're crazy people.

And I've wondered if I care less. And you do the X. You do the- Tell people what you do about the field goals. So when we watched the Giants game at Bill Simmons's house, I thought it would be normal. It would be okay to be like a weird sports fan. And then I went up and I did an X. The Giants were playing the Ravens.

And my family, we'd do an X in front of the TV in front of important field goals. With his little tutzee, with his little toe. I did a little toe. And then I sat back down and everyone was staring at me. And Bill was like, what the fuck was that? And I was like, I was superstitious. Like, you're not, no one's super, and everyone's just staring at me.

And you know what happened? Justin Tucker missed the goddamn kick hasn't been the same ever since. That's all I'm saying. Wow. Was that the beginning of the end for Tucker? He has not been the same ever since. But all that's to say,

I've wondered if the Giants have, I care less. And then I realized, actually, they've been the worst team in the entire league since I started covering the league. And I, it's weird because the Giants in Washington have no relationship because they're bad too.

So I almost like weirdly root for them because I just don't think of the Giants as being in the hunt, I'd almost rather them losing at a top five pick. But it's weird that Washington now is going to be better than the Eagles in Dallas. Well, you've got those two horseshoe out of your ass Super Bowls to hang on to in the meantime. I don't know. Commanders, I look at a team like that pathetic franchise for decades. And within six weeks, I'm like, holy shit, the future is bright.

It could happen to me. It will keep me on the line watching this Godforsaken sport for another 40 years. That is actually, as much as we joke about the nihilism, I actually go the other. way. The word never is thrown around a lot in sports, but then you look around at like Washington. You know what? Dan Snyder was like the youngest bad owner in sports. And like he was just ex-nade and the speed at which it went from Snyder will never sell to Washington is the coolest story in the entire conference. Keep the spark alive, Sean. Keep the hope. We should have had Sean come into frame like Devante Adams did behind Rogers on MacCard. Damn, we should have done that.

Fun fact, Craig, I'm actually in your house right now. So I'm showing up right behind you Commentary. Sean, thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having me, guys. And thanks for using my pain for content. As always, appreciate it. You taught us well. Pick up a win this NFL game day on Fandall,

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fandal.com. Gambling problem, call 1-800 gambler or visit rg dash help.com. All right. So we're going to be power ranking. The next superstars in the NFL. And honestly, we had a whole argument about what, what does that actually mean? What is a superstar? We're like, you know what? We're going to figure it out on the show. Craig, can you remind us what, what is the superstar? We didn't even settle this. Yeah, I think there's three. We kind of landed on that there's three qualifying factors, right? It's you need to be actually good at football. For our show's purposes, you need to be good at fantasy football. And then you need to have like that X factor, right?

You need to have the intangible, that superstar quality to you on the field, off the field, household name quality. A certain Genesequa. A genesequa. Yeah. What does that mean? It means I don't know what. It means I don't know what. Oh, okay.

No, someone's explained that to me before. We were going to do the Genesequa power rankings, but we figured it wouldn't play. We didn't know what to do. Yeah. So here's the list I made of the current superstars. And we put it together. And then I added some after we agreed on stuff. The current guys who are already considered a list superstars, yeah. Guys that were superstars entering this season. Yeah.

20, we agreed on 20. I added 25. So quarterback is Patrick. No, I made it to 25. I didn't add 205. Okay, got it, got it. Quarterback, the superstars are Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, obviously. Joe Burrow, C.J. Stroud, Aaron Rogers. I don't think that's very controversial.

We like cut out. I think the line is like Jalen Hertz. where like if he had won the Super Bowl, he'd probably be a superstar. Dak, I feel like his two... His own fans don't even like him. Yeah, his fans are sick of him. He's not a superstar.

Running back, Derek Henry, Sequin, Barclay, Christian McCaffrey. And then I think Alvin Camara is right on the edge. I think he is. Receivers, Tyree Kill, Justin Jefferson, Cidid Lam, Jamar Chase, Devante Adams, Stefan Diggs, Cooper Cup,

A.J. Brown, Devo, Samuel. I think those were guys entering the league and some are repeating toward getting out. And then tight end, Travis Kelsey. I think right on the brink of the 20th guy would be George Kittal. I don't know, part of me, he's like, part of me's like,

he's really famous. He's on the Netflix receiver show. I think Kittle counts, yeah. He's a titan who got on a receiver show. He's like lifetime achievement. Yeah. He's also like more interesting and kind of more famous off the field

than a lot of the receivers we named. Yes. And then so that's 20. And then without your permission, I actually kind of figured out what have we just added out all the other positions to? In the entirety of defense,

I think it's just Miles Garrett, T.J. Watt, Micah, Parsons. I don't think there's any safeties that have the pizzazz of like Ed Reed or Troy Balamalu. There's no cornerbacks as biggest Dorel Revis and even that he wasn't like a star. There's no, like Patrick Certainey is not on this list. And certainly no linebackers. And then honestly, Chris Jones, my only other one I wanted to throw up, I know he's retired. I don't care. I think Jason Kelsey is the 25th guy. I think Jason Kelsey, I don't care that it doesn't play. Let's put Eli Manning on this list, too. Yeah. Kelsey's in five commercials every

game. Same with Eli. That's what I'm saying. Justin Tucker? No. Okay. No. He's not even good at it. He's lost it. He's lost the adjo.

All right. Ever since I did the X. You're right. Devonta Adams. It's been great this year. So that's like an even 25 guys. And like, I don't know,

does Chris Jones a star for the Chiefs? He's a star, but I don't know if he's A-list famous. His name's Chris Jones. Hertz. Jason Kelsey's more of a superstar than Chris Jones. Oh my God. The fame overcomes the fact that he isn't actually playing.

So anyway, we kind of were. thinking like, all right, some of these guys are teetering off this list. We're not going to pull anyone off right now, but Cooper Cups, the fun things, looking at these names and we're like, Camara, and we're like, all right, who are the next people in this list? And we're just going to power right. Next gen. The next, yeah, the next.

Oh, the next gen. Next gen stats. Next gen stars. I wish, next gen stars. Fuck, oh, damn it, DK. Should we title the episode that? DK, you got to join the pre-call meetings, all right? Dude.

Holy shit. I just show up and I vibe out, all right? I thought of that earlier. Yeah, DK's like, like, like, old Jack Nicholson. He's like, I'll show up. Send me the script. I'm not doing a single rehearsal and I need to golf for nine holes before. Yeah, it's like Marlon Brando and the Godfather, we just read his lines and they're on my chest.

Never get like never publish my writer. I don't want that to leak to the public at all. We're not allowed to record until one because D.K's got to fit in 18. Yeah, yeah. He secretly loves golf. Yeah, he loves golf. This is all of it. I'm throwing you off my scent.

He's a free handicap. It's like the weather, man. Curb. All right. So we're going to do this power hour style. And if you don't know, every two minutes you're going to hear this sound. Great song. Love that song.

Unreal song. And we're going to rank these, and we're going to, every two minutes, and we're just going to go through the top nine, and we couldn't agree on 12. So we're going to argue

about the final two or three spots at the end. But we're going to go through the nine-ish that we kind of agreed on, mostly. Starting with the easy ones, number one, the next generation of superstores

in the NFL, number one, obviously. Jaden Daniels, the quarterback for Washington. Yeah, it's like, I think he's, for somebody who's only been in the league for six weeks,

he's kind of already checking all three of those boxes of good in fantasy, good in real life, and has that superstar quality. Because it's not just that he's good and that he's, you know, making a splash. Because like there are other guys who have come into the league who have been good. Justin Herbert came in. It was good. He took Mahomes to OT in his first start. But Jaden Daniels has the intangible.

Like Jaden Daniels feels like a star. He's cool, you know? Herbert is like smiling on the sideline. Yeah. Yes. But Herbert doesn't feel like a like a star. He's not cool. And you can play.

like a star, but you need to also be a star. And I do think that Jaden Daniels has that. I think it also has factored in that it's like Washington, which we were just talking about with Sean. Like, they really needed him. He's in Washington, D.C. A team has been a disaster for so long. Again, it feels different than like Justin Herbert on the Chargers. The fact that

the city of Washington has this guy now and he's so cool, calm, collected, they're so good. I think he's already hit that superstar status or is headed there very quickly. He also already has a signature play where he hit Terry McLaure on that, that go ball down sideline got absolutely lit up, like game clinching play.

On Monday net football. Yeah. On national TV, yeah, it's like all the stars have aligned for him to like make this entrance. And like, you know, it's like, it's like an actor who stars in like a really huge film and everyone is immediately like this guy stole the show. This guy stole every scene he was in. That's kind of like Jane Daniels. Yeah, it's like Margot Robbie and Wolf of Wall Street. Everybody was like, who's that?

Wow. Yeah. Damn, Jaden Daniels is Margot Robbie. Maybe we can get his pro football reference so we can get that as a nickname for Jim Daniel, just Marco Robbie. So I think the question, I guess, is you feel confident that he's here to stay, right? Like, this isn't a flash in the pan.

This is, like, repeatable going forward. This isn't just like some random weird. Barring injuries? Yes. Like Robert Griffin, the third happens. Sure, sure. Injuries, I don't know. I feel 100%.

Next up, again, the next generation of NFL superstars while we're here. Caleb Williams, quarterback for the Bears. These are the first two. They're obvious. But I think that the similarity they have in common is that Jaydon Daniels and Caleb Williams, they both resuscitated franchises. I don't know if there are two franchises that could have been more grateful to see a great quarterback than Washington and Chicago because Washington just was so thirsty for anything.

But then Chicago and Caleb is the third biggest city in America. The Chicago metropolitan area has 10 million people. The Bears have never had a good quarterback, like ever. Like the best quarterback in history of the Bears, is Jim McMahon. Jim McMahon said when Fields was drafted, Chicago is the place quarterbacks go to die.

Like, that was the best quarterback said that nobody quarter can succeed in Chicago. And Caleb's doing it, and there's a level of belovedness that both these guys have. That's incredible. And you know what? They're playing in two weeks.

They already flexed it out of 1 p.m. and a 4.25 p.m. Eastern because they were like, we need people to watch this. I think it's like an epic rivalry. He's already breaking like Bears rookie records for like passing touchdowns. I think he's,

I think he already has the record for rookie passing touchdowns. he's like been, it's been like six games. The Bears have never had a 4,000-yard passer, ever. There's like 12. And checking the obvious box, Caleb has something to him, you know. Oh, yeah. He is cool.

He is, he's really emotional. He's like yelling on the field. Off the field, he's super interesting. I mean, the guy's painted his nails. He's wearing trench coats in press game conferences. Like, this guy is a superstar. The meet a time's role of like a quarterback has to either believe in God or believe they are a God.

Caleb Williams is so firmly in that Aaron Rogers camp of like, I'm a God. He based this whole game off Aaron Rogers, but also all the confidence is like Aaron Rogers' confidence. I really feel like if there's a chance of C.J. Stroud, never big brothered, Caleb Williams. Maybe Caleb would have never been good. Slighting doors from over the second that happened, he's like, all right, I'm fucking done. Did you see the look up? There was like, someone grabbed a still image from when that was happening. He was just like, like, just like mad through his teeth. You know, he's just like trying not to say something bad.

Did you guys see the thing where DJ Moore was talking about how Caleb Williams was kind of like big dog in him? and like, you know, telling him where to line up and telling him where to go. And DJ Moore, he was like, at first I was like, man, who you think you're talking to? And then he's like, but actually you just want to see that in a quarterback. You want to see that in a young guy. He's like taking charge. He's like really confident, all that stuff. It's like when you show up to prison, you got to fight the biggest guy in prison.

Yeah. Find the biggest guy and knock him out. Yeah. No, the key. Yeah, you got to make enough eye contact that you're not afraid, but you can't make too much eye contact that you're like trying to start a fight. You know, it's all about the Goldilocks. But you guys never watch Bernie. notice, but like burn,

knows taught me all about what to do in prison. You have no idea. You maligned it. Anyway, all right, next step. Number three, next generation of NFL superstars. Malik Neighbors for the Giants. Dude, I know he hasn't played at a couple weeks. I want to start here.

Malik Neighbors was the last guy out of the tunnel for the Giants in like week two. Like, you know, the fans like they went. Like, it took one game for the fans to be like, Leak, like one week and a rookie receiver is like, I was you passed everybody on the team. He's got that gravitas. Dexter Lawrence is like the best defender in the entire league. They're like, give us bleak neighbors.

It took one game. People already talking about how he's better than O'Dell Beckham. He is better than O'Dell Beckham. Do you know how O'Dell Beckham had done through his first like five games? Nothing. He didn't even play the first five games. He had a hamstring injury, right? Yeah.

He didn't play in the first four or five games. And he like he had one of the most incredible, I think, off the top of my head, I don't remember, but something like the first 48 games, Adele Beckham played most yards ever, more than like Randy Moss or Jerry Rice. And like he had an amazing rookie year, 13, 12 touchdowns. He didn't even play the first month. That's where we go with Malik Neighbors.

Neighbors is the first receiver ever with 20 catches and three touchdowns in his first three games. Just to give you a taste. This is pathetic. The Giants haven't had a receiver hit 800 yards in five years. Lake Neighbors is on pace to do that in like the next four weeks, even though he's already missed two games. Yeah.

He's really good. I think that coming in, he's number one, he's really young. I think he's 21 years old. He's just, like, pure explosiveness. Like, that's the type of, like, receiver he is. I think most people didn't really expect him to come in and do, like, the nuanced things, you know, separate, get his feet in bounds, like, line up in the right spots. Like, I think he's done more so, like, like, really early than anyone expected. And it's really cool to see.

And there's, like, a lot of meat on the bone still with him to, like, figure out all the nuances of route running and, like, expand his route tree and just get better. but he's already doing the little things in addition to being one of the most explosive playmakers in the NFL from the moment he gets on the field. So yeah, he's awesome. And it's also like he's completely overshadowed with Marvin Harrison. Yeah. I'm sorry to disrespect Tom,

Tom, but all I'll say is so Malik neighbors had the concussion and then he went to the Travis Scott concert. And all I'm saying is if Blake neighbors does not become a superstar, I am going to sue Travis Scott for damages. No, you got to do that if you're Malik neighbors. That's like real like wide receiver one energy right there. you know. That shows that he already is like a dog.

No, I do kind of love. Everyone's like, you can't do that. I'm like, no, he can do whatever he wants. I agree. Leak. And you know what? You know how we decided Blink Nabors would be elite? He has no case on his phone.

Another notch in the belt. We got to remember that for next draft season. Number four, next generation of NFL superstars. Dude, Nico Collins receiver for the Texans. I love this guy. He's so cool for so many reasons. On the field, he's a menace. He's so big and strong and fast.

He's like Julio Jones with an attitude. I think he has a cool story, late bloomer. He had like the third year leap last year. And then this was like the fourth year boom. And he obviously got hurt. He's on IR now with the hamstring injury with sucks. Nico Collins still leads the league in receiving yards. And he's basically missed two full games.

That's crazy. He's the wide receiver three in points per game. Yeah, he's awesome. Led the league in first down catches until he got hurt. But what I think takes Nico Collins to the next level is the Stroud connection. because most elite receivers and famous receivers, you need the QB to go from like gold to platinum. Mahomes, Tyreek, Rogers, Devonte.

Kelsey Mahomes. Kelsey Mahomes. It's like the actor-director. It's like they're good separately, but together, you know, De Niro and Scorsese, Deneer or Scorsese and Leo, you know, Sam Jackson and Tarantino. And I think right now, Nico Collins and Stroud are the best one too.

I think it's Burrow and Chase, maybe you could argue. Right now, T. Higgins is, like having just as good a season is Jamar Chase. Dak and C.D. Tyreek and Tua. Right now, Stroud and Nico Collins are the best doing the league. I think you're dead right about the fame thing. But Dak and CD, now, we see, I mean,

the Cowboy season ended because that Dak couldn't get CD the ball. Like last week, DAC is unable to get CD the ball and CD, like, body language freezes them out like two or three times a season at this point. Yeah, they're like a marriage that's on kind of rocky. It feels like there's some tension happening right now. But yeah, I think this is a,

a great call. DeKie, where is Nico in your favorite list of receivers just to watch? Because he's bully ball. He's kind of like AJ Brown. He's up there. And we've like in the group chat during the first couple of weeks of the season,

I think every week we're talking about just like, Nico is so good. Like he does everything well. He catches the ball really, really well. Like he plucks the ball away from his frame. He's really strong after the catch, really explosive down the field.

He's basically like, and this pains me to say it. He's like, what I want D.K. Metcalf to be? because he does little little things, but he has like the explosiveness and like the physical attributes that you look for, but he doesn't like make these really backbreaking mistakes.

And so, yeah, I love Nico Collins, man. And his story is cool because like you said, he basically did very little his first two seasons in the NFL. It was like he's a role player. He's like big and fast,

whatever. But all of a sudden, he's really, really good at football now. And it's just really cool to see him matched up with C.J. Stroud. And the Texans are very early in their identity as a franchise. but 20 years.

They've always, the Andre Johnson to D'Andre Hopkins to Nico Collins lineage is pretty cool. Like I think that that is kind of like a thing that they've always had the late receiver. Number five, just the next generation of NFL superstars. Jameson Williams,

the receiver for the lines. I think that after those four people, it's a little harder. I think, but I think Jameson Williams is on that path. Am I crazy? This is, I think, a little more, like there will be some varying, like, you know,

opinions on this. This is more of a projection. Yeah. And he's kind of on the Nico train for very different reasons, obviously. But like first two seasons, he started out his first season. He's coming off an ACL injury after tearing his ACL, his final year in college. And then he had a suspension for gambling that like cut into a second year. Then, you know, even when he got on the field, like his coaches were just like kind of upset with him.

He wasn't running the right routes. He did the whole Brandon Ayyuk doghouse thing for a while. He finally has kind of like self-actualized. And he is becoming the guy. who everyone thought he would be. You remember, he was the 12th overall pick, I believe, or 11th. They got a shit together. Yeah, the lines trade up for him.

Like, this was a supremely talented player coming out of college. And there was real concern after two seasons that he was like just a bus. It was close there for a second. Like Robert Downey Jr. It was like, is this guy going to make it? Craig, you're the one who told me that that's saying that like one great comedian spawns 10,000 bad ones. It's like one, like this one Jameson Williams and Nico Collins turnaround are going to spawn people holding on to like John Dotsons forever.

Yeah, same with like Josh Allen. Yeah, yeah. Totally with Forex. Yeah, the amount of Will Levese playing time. He's going to get, we'll have a whole career, just people mentioning Josh Allen's name. But no, Jameson,

I think Tyra Kill's 30, I think he's about to be 31. He's not going to be the fastest player in the league for another, more than another season or two. There's a certain Pinoche, or is that the word, that comes,

which is being the fastest player in the NFL. I think that is Jameson Williams. Got that cachet. Cash, that's what I wanted. If you get him the ball in space, I think he's the scariest. player in the NFL because he can turn on the Jets and literally just run away from everyone. It's also cool because I think the Lions didn't really have a superstar personality or even

playing a player with that kind of superstar quality. It's like golf, Amonara St. Brown, Sam LaPorteur. All these guys were kind of like gritty, get it done, not spotlight guys. And maybe that's why they're good. But James and Williams and like David Montgomery, it's like, is a grinder, Dan Campbell types. And James and Williams is kind of not like that at all. Yeah. Yeah. That's the other person we have here, too. It's just Jemir Gibbs for the Lions.

I think there's a whole Lions conversation here because I think part of this, too, and talking about superstars, let's be real. Like, if there's a world, like Super Bowls create stars, there's a world, like if the Lions were to win the Super Bowl, all these guys would rock it up. Because I think, and maybe you guys stop me if this is hyperbole. I don't think it is. I think the Lions would be the most popular,

like beloved Super Bowl team in the entire 21st century. Like, did Detroit Lions winning the Super Bowl, alone would be so fit. But with Dan Campbell and all these guys, and there's an element of like all these guys really would be so famous so quickly because, but to your point,

Gibbs and Jameson Williams are the explosive ones on this team though. I think it's like, I think that the Lions are a cool team because they cover like the whole spectrum of like styles. They have like the like Craig was just saying, they've got like the lunch pail hard hat guys

that come in, you know, they're just like the Dan Campbell persona. And then they also have flash, explosive, extremely dangerous, like, players on the field. Like, these guys, if you give him an inch, they'll take a mile. Jamir Gibbs is that guy's running back every time he carries the ball. I'm like, that guy looks like he was shot out of Canada.

He has incredible acceleration, like better acceleration than almost any running back I've ever seen. And he breaks tackles. Yeah, Gibbs. What is that list real quick? Top running backs acceleration. I'm curious who's other than I don't know. I'd have to think about that. Like, obviously, like, Ledaia and Tomliss in, you know, if you go back,

Chris Johnson? Charles, Chris Johnson. That's a good top five. Chris Johnson's like he's in that like area where it's like, you know, if you like get a one one step out of position, like you're liable to give up a hundred yard score.

Barry Sanders, obviously for the Lions fans just screening right now. Yeah. I mean, Barry Sanders is like, you know, the gold standard for running backs like. He's like Ashton Genty 1.0.

Yeah. The only thing about Gibbs is I feel like it's hard to read superstar status when you share the backfield of some of them. Sure. That's the quibble is like David Montgomery is like maybe better though and the one I like it more in the moments. If the coach could give the ball to one running back, he might not choose to hear a kid.

Just depends on the situation. But yes, I totally understand what you're saying. It's like he's the number two back. Montgomery and Gibbs are known as peanut butter and jelly. And then it was like on like a pregame thing. They did a segment and they clearly hate the nickname. And this week,

David Montgomery unveiled. Actually, our nicknames are Sonic and Knuckles. And they're just trying to nickname themselves because I think they are embarrassed by peanut butter. The lions are the only team that can get away with it, I feel like. No, they don't get to nickname themselves. In this analogy, David Montgomery was peanut butter, right?

No, they asked them which one to use which, and they looked at each other and they realized in that moment, you can see it on their faces. They're like, oh, we've never thought about that before. But which would you rather be, which is cooler? I feel like to me, David Montgomery's P.B. is peanut butter and James and Shemir Gibbs is jelly, right? I think so, but I don't think they wanted to be jelly. Like, PB is like the glue.

No, I know that I was just like thinking about. Peeb is the foundation. Yeah, it's the glue that holds things together. Jelly is the least. the flavor. The sweet. The sugar. The sweetness. Sonic and Knuckles doesn't really roll off the tongue. Sonic and Knuckles. Are Sonic and Knuckles famous enough? I don't know anything about Knuckles. Sonic is really famous.

Knuckles. Who's Knuckles? No one knows who Knuckles is. Craig Reynolds could be the Knuckles in this situation. The next. Craig Reynolds. Third string running back, baby. That is why I like the Lions, though.

He made a play in special teams last year and then Dan Campbell put him in at the one just to give a touchdown. I'm like, I like this freaking team. Number seven here next gen of NFL Superstores. Kenneth Walker, you're running back for the Seattle Cilx D. Ken Walker who's never been tackled in his entire life in a normal way. Yeah, he's, I'm willing this into existence and also

I think he's proving it, but like this is definitely just my bias corner right now. Because I've loved Kenneth Walker since the, well, really since I watched him at Michigan State. Like, he was incredible. Right now, through six games, he's number one in the NFL and PFF Rushgrade. He's number one in mistackles force per attempt

according to fantasy points. Number one in double backflips without hitting the ground during a run. Number one in my heart. He's number four and half PVR points per game. Could have left that out. That's like, you know, just to throw it in there. He's also producing in fantasy, which is, you know, of course, important to us.

But like truly just one of my favorite players to watch every time I like get excited about him. This is like he's in the pantheon of players where I remember going back to like when I was a kid, I would sit around and wait for Ken Griffey Jr. to be up during a game. I would watch Ken Griffey Jr.'s at bat. And then I'd be like, okay, I can go do other stuff until he comes up. again. You know what I mean? Like he would he like I want every time Kenneth Walker's out there, I'm like, give him the ball, give him a ball. I want to see what he can do. That's the type of player he is because he's just so exciting, so elusive, so powerful. He runs with like a

bow-legged gate that's like really unique. And I don't know, I just think he's finally sort of coming into his own. He's, he's been giving an incredible amount of volume in the Seahawks offense. Seahawks offense is really fun. And most importantly, or not most importantly, but very importantly for fantasy, he's, he's been really involved in the passing game this year. So he kind of feels like he's ascending to that next plane. If he can say healthy and keep going where he's going, you know, he's going to be a first round pick next year.

Also, I would say one of the last really famous running backs was also on the Seahawks, Marshawn Lynch, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Kenneth Walker, I think, needs a good playoff run

to cement himself. Yes. Like a signature, like a beast quake play. Yeah. Yeah. Like even Derek Henry became Derek Henry, I think when he had like those three,

200-yard games in a row that like, when did the playoffs and each one was crazier than the last. Like, you need something a little epic. The double flip. play, even though his head technically maybe touch the ground. I feel like that is a pretty big signature plays on primetime Monday night football.

Pretty badass. So maybe that, but that's not enough. I agree. Next one here, next generation NFL superstars, dude, Brock Bowers. The tight end for the Raiders. Craig has a, Craig is, his catchphrase is, I've seen enough. Like, in our text chain, he's just like, so-and-so, I've seen enough.

Like, this guy, he's it. Monday night. I saw Ray Davis. I, two carries out of Ray Davis. I was like, I'm good. I've seen enough. He's good. Brock Bowers, I feel exactly the same way. I'm like, it's six games in. I've seen enough.

I'm a casting director. Yeah. Matthew McConaughey walks in gives me one line. I'm like, you're good, buddy. Don't need to see anything else. Yeah. Right now he is the tight end two through six weeks behind only George Kittle. He is on pace.

17 game pace right now, 105 catches. That is how many catches Pook and Akua had last year, set the rookie record for all time. For any position, reception. That's what Brock Bowers. is on pace for right now. And tight end is disgustingly impossible for players to do as a rookie. There's a reason that like two players

have had a thousand. Like it's not just two players hit a thousand yards as a tight end as a rookie. It's like eight have hit like 700. Like it's impossible to do that. And then I actually think Brock Bowers is actually Kyle Pitts. Like Kyle Pitts.

He's who he wanted Pitts to be. Yes. We all said Kyle Pitts best tight end prospect ever. And I'm not kidding you. I really think everyone was like draft analyst, maybe even us. were we were too afraid to beat the drum of how good Brock Bowers was because it doesn't hit that. It doesn't hit that hard to be like Brock Bowers, best tight end prospects in Scalbitts.

Remember when we said that guy would be great and he sucks? Like it just you can't talk about it. And so we undersold how good Brock Bowers is. He's as good of receiver as Pitts was, but he actually plays tight end. He blocks. I think there's no question I'll be the number one tight end like in IRL in the league next year. And then also I looked at firstly fourth in catches. Brock was the second most catches for rookie tight end through six games ever.

Can I push back? Can I push back a little bit? I think he checks two of the three boxes. Obviously, fantasy and on the field, he's great. The superstar quality from Brock Bowers. I'm not sure as there. He's a shy, quiet guy. He's a bad team. Travis Kelsey at least had the Mahomes factor. Obviously, the Swift thing took him to another level.

But, like, you know, he had a little bit of a personality already. And he was on the best team in the league with the best quarterback ever. George Kittle also on a great team. Zaney, interesting guys, got the long hair. Bowers needs to do something. He's not going to be on a good team for a while. No, wrong. Other way around.

Okay. This is cross-hyves. He always goes, it's actually the opposite. Brock Bowers refusing to talk about anything is the brand. No. You know who didn't talk about, you know who wouldn't give answers and press conferences for years? More Sean Lynch would speak to the media. Just hears it doesn't get fine.

For years. And I know it doesn't have the charisma of Lynch. But Brock Bowers, I think it's actually incredible that like his teammates are like, yeah, I don't know anything about that guy. I've never spoken to him. Like he doesn't, like, they're like, I smiled once. it was when Georgia beat Clemson. Like, it's a brand.

And, like, I think it'll become, like, a thing when he's like the best player. So you're saying he's like the Kauai Leonard of. Yes, he's Kauai. They're like, it'll be a thing. Like, can we get Brock Bowers to say anything? I think Craig one, I think you're absolutely right. Like, it's fair to say he doesn't have much of personality. I've heard him talk like one time.

He has bad hair. We get it. Like, dude, they asked him, do you want to fix your hair was a mess? They're like, do you want to fix it for this interview? He's like, no. He just loves ball so much. I'm just not to give a fuck. Kauai Leonard beat LeBron James in the finals and has two finals MVP's.

Well, he stopped playing basketball. If he had kept playing basketball, that probably would have been better. Well, hold on. What I was getting, what I was getting to, though, is I think Bowers has a distinctive enough name that his name value is going to give him a boost. Brock Bowers. Yeah, that's good. Just Gus Johnson. Brock Bowers.

Josh Smith. If his name was Chris Jones. Yeah. No one's going to give a shit. But he's Brock Bowers. He also played for George. you know, and that like playing for like a national title team and doing all that. I just wanted to push back a little bit.

That's all. No, it's fair. That's fair. No, you're right. I mean, it's good to bring up that the superstar doesn't speak. That's a good call. Yeah. But now I think that Brock Bowers.

He doesn't speak. He's a silent actor and he moved on to the talk. Charlie fucking Chaplin's playing tight end out here. Yeah. We were at the combine. We're like, do you think we could get Brock Bowers to say anything? Anyway, Craig, this is yours. The number nine, next generation is superstars.

I put this one late. because I didn't know what to do with this guy. And he's not like the first eight names on this list. Brock Purdy, quarterback for the 49ers. I didn't know what to do with him because he's playing for way longer. I feel like. Really? God. I think he's 100% the next generation of superstars.

First of all, he's been to a Super Bowl in the first two years of his career. He's really good on a really good team on a really famous team. In the last two seasons, Purdy is second in passing yards, fourth in touchdowns, first in yards per attempt, first in success rate, second in EPA per dropback, first in completions over 20 yards. And look, I know the whole narrative, oh, he's good because the team is good. I think this year he's been awesome

despite his team, unlike last year. He also was the last pick in the draft. Everybody knows that. Like, my mom knows who Brock Purdy is because it was like the guy who was the last pick in the draft who's now awesome. He's playing better than Patrick Mahomes

and nobody wants to give him enough credit. You know, it's like we're all obsessed with the Shannon. Oh, it's all Shanahan. And yet Jordan loves in the Matt LaFleur system. No one wants to say that Jordan loves only good because Matt LaFleur has a great system, but everybody will say that about Brock Purdy.

I wanted to start saying that after Malik Willis, like, lit it up for two weeks. I think this is a really good one, Craig. And you know why? He's famous. Brock Purdy is really famous. And the other thing is also about how good he's going to be. And you're right that there's a brand there. And also Brock Purdy, frankly, the career arc is basically if Tom Brady had not won any Super Bowls in his first three or four seasons,

where basically, like, there's a lot of, like, success. But basically, imagine if Brady had lost the tuck rule or something or lost names. the championship game and everyone just dismisses it. Oh, he's a late round game manager on a really talented team. But Purdy is getting better every season. And like that's the thing. What if Trevor Lawrence was doing what Purdy was doing right now? Oh, yeah, we'd be losing our minds.

We would be like anointing him as like the next Mahomes. The Niners have not been that good this year. They've been super banged up and Purdy's been nails. And don't you feel like the team? I feel like Brock Purdy is the leader of this team now. Like it genuinely feels that way to me. I think also we had two Brock's here, Brock Bowers, Brock Barth, Brock Purdy, but also good day.

No, I think you're right. Like, he is the leader. Everyone believes it. At some point, also, I can't stress enough what you said about, like, he's playing the way we loved, Patrick Mahomes playing football. He's trambling, Chuckie. He's turned into this guy. He's like this annoying little shit that won't stop making good plays.

You know what I mean? Yeah, you know, it's like Captain America when he wins you, or like, tell us when they win you over and you feel like an idiot. You're like, ah, he got me. Yeah, it just, it genuinely feels like it's his team now. Like he has stolen the spotlight away. He's on a team with Debo, Samuel, McCaffrey, Iuke, and Kittle. and honestly I kind of feel like

Purdy is the most exciting player on this team. I think you're right. Everyone loves an underdog story, Craig. Yeah. We couldn't agree on the 10th spot and we're actually just decided we're just going to argue about it right now. So who did you guys want to knock, Craig, you go first. Is there anyone you wanted to nominate for this 10th spot

and we'll just figure out if we can fill out the 10th? I don't know. I mean, like, it's tough because rising means you got to be young, right? New NFL Superstars. I was like, is D.K. Metcalf an NFL superstar? He wasn't on the first list. I think he probably should have been in that. earlier list. I think he's almost more famous than he is

consistently good now. It's weird that he can't catch high at the catch point. That's my issue with him. His arms are too big. Have you ever tried to lift your arms in a suit? That's kind of like what D.K. McHaff is. It's true. He plays a little small. His traps are just like in the way at this point. I would say no with D.K. just because anybody that like his own team

is split on him, his own team's fan base is split on him like can't be included in this. Like half Seahawk fans want to trade D.K. Maccalf. So that's a great. The real one's Marvin Harrison, right? I mean, it's an added boost that his father is extremely famous and he shares his name. Yeah. And he has been good.

So, you know. He's going to be on this list sooner than later, but I don't think you put him on right now. I think the same could be said for Bijan Robinson. It's like ludicrous that he's not on this list, I think. How many coaching staffs will decide to not play Bejan Robinson more than 60% of the staffs, 60% snaps? Gibbs is on this list.

But he kind of shouldn't be, though. I think Gibbs was, if anything, we should put Bejohn and take Gibbs off. Can I give you my hottest take? I actually think David Montgomery should be on the list over Jemir Gibbs. No. He's been in the league for too long. He's on like the seventh year of his career. You're wrong.

You're wrong. Okay, but you know who else wasn't actually famous for like the first four years of the career? Derek Henry. Derek Henry wasn't even good the first two seasons of this career. He was splitting with Dionne Lewis. And I'm just saying David Montgomery, like that meme of him, David Montgomery is not a superstar. Look, Hyvitz.

Hyvitz. If you get an NFL fan to name four players on the line, Lions, there's a chance David Montgomery's not on that list. That is true right now. There's a sex appeal that is included here. And that's why Gibbs is on the list. The coach, the quarterback, the receiver, the tight end, two receivers and probably Aiden Hutchinson are all probably named first before Dave Montgomery.

I agree. I'm not trying to say this is the state right now. I'm saying he is on pace if he gets 20 touchdowns and the Lions win the Super Bowl, I actually think David Montgomery might leave as the most famous player at the team. on the offense. No. No. Like his running, who is such an insane take?

I'm just saying right now, no. Who is more fun? I'm just saying this. How many running backs are more entertaining to watch right now than David Montgomery? He just has a boring name. I think Jimmy gives it's more entertaining to watch.

There's a running back on his own team who's more entertaining to watch. Montgomery, he doesn't go down. I think Montgomery is close to Marshall Lynch. I love David Montgomery. He's just not a superstar at all. I agree. He's an awesome player. It seems like a great guy.

Super cool guy. Not a super cool. Yeah. You guys, you don't like peanut butter. It's fine. Smooth and creamy. I would say,

my son's allergic to peanut butter. We don't have peanut butter in the house. Who else? Dude's like, Alave and Drake London are not there. No. Drake London. Being a star on the Falcons is impossible.

It is. A couple other guys I want to throw out that I think will be on this list that are just not because they're hurt right now. She rice and Kukkah. I don't think rice will be a star. I think he will be. He's just like, I don't know.

I think he's more famous for like car accidents than anything else, frankly. But he's got that like a little, he's a little fucking crazy and people like that. And he's on the, he's on the people going. Like it does, it does. Like he's a little edgy, you know. I think George Pickens, if they ever get a quarterback, is going to be on this list. If the Sears ever get a quarterback, because again, maybe Jeremy's a little fucking crazy, you know? Pickens is probably more known than he should be.

I was going to say Pickens is, Pickens is the great. greatest, he's better than Jerry, the greatest history receiver in the history of the NFL if the field was 55 yards longer. Yeah, yeah. Damn. And then I think Trey McBride probably should be on this, but he's just not exciting enough. Like Jaden Reed, I don't think is there. I like

Jaden Reed a lot. They spread the ball around too much, but I think Jaden Reed's going to score 11 touchdowns a year for the Packers for seven years in a row, but, and he's the best player on the team, but he won't get enough of that offense. I'm happy to do it next year. I'm happy to induct him next year. I love Jane. I love Jade. And then the player that I have to

It's obligatory to mention. And if he can get healthy and Tua can come back, like, Devon A-chan, if he can, like, start doing what he was doing early in the season, I think he could elevate to that level. I do think the name-a-chan. He's been a little disappointing the last couple weeks, so it feels like he's playing hurt. A-chan hurts him. The name A-chan hurts.

Yeah, it does. It's hard to say. Honestly, everyone will say A-Chane. They might just be uninterested after that. Hearing that's A-chan. He should do the J-Laddle. His name Waddell, and he should do it just stage name, A-Chane, and it's right there. I don't know what he's thinking.

Do you guys think? Karen Williams is just a flash in the pan. Zero chance. It'll be like a superstar. Zero chance. The only guy's name we haven't mentioned, who's like kind of living between the current superstar and the next gen superstar is Jonathan Taylor.

He's like kind of in both because he was awesome and then he got hurt and then he held out and now he's back and he's hurt again. But he's like, you know, was the number one picking fantasy two years ago? His career is beat. He was like on the cover of all the fantasy football magazine. But is he not a current superstar?

No. But he's also not a next gen. If he was in a Gillette commercial, how many people would know who that person is without putting the little name up? Yeah, I don't know. So he has a boring name. He's 25 years old. So he's not either.

He is neither. Leo DeCapre wouldn't even date him. No, he's not a superstar. He's not a next gen superstar. You wouldn't buy it. You would not buy a razor because Jonathan Taylor shaves with it. Like, no chance. He's just like in that purgatory, Craig.

I'm not buying a razor because A.J. Brown shaves with it. Some people are. Craig, this is how marketing works. This is how advertising works. You guys know the Oreo Flavored Coke is on our show now. Is it? Yes. Nice.

We got multiple ads are. So that's how advertising works. But not, we didn't do those reads. These were like, uh, span reads, right? No, yeah. They were, they were outside host red reads. Yeah. That's cool, though.

We should just, I feel like everything we say becomes an ad. We have a, we have great power. Yeah. That's how advertising works. All right. Speaking of great power, it's time for fantasy court. All right. We have a court case here.

The defendant is Sam. Sam. Welcome, Sam. Sam says after last week's games began, we realized that two opponents who were playing each other were both starting defenses that were on a buy.

It was the Chiefs and the Vikings. They both on a buy. And Sam says that they did this so they would not have to drop a player to fill that roster spot out. And when we call them out in the group chat, they admitted that they did discuss it before the weekend.

Oh. And one of the guys Zach sucks this year. Zach, I guess listens to the show too. Sam says you suck, Zach. And so Zach's team sucks, but the other guy is firmly in the playoff hunt and was able to maintain some of his depth

because of this collusion. Besides shaming them, how should we handle the situation? I think it was, I just like would like to point out one thing to start here. This case quite literally is the defense rests. Very good, very good.

That's a really good fun. Yeah. And number two, this is literally the curb your enthusiasm, Larry David, in line to vote and grabs the guy who's voting for the other guy. And it's like, you want to get out of here? Just camps each other out of here. They're just like, oh, you're going to have to add a tea and then I'll have to add a tea. And then I'll have to have to just, we just, no one votes. Like, you know, just leave.

You pair up and leave. I'm very like, I'm torn on this. I think because I'm thinking like, you know how people will split the pot in fantasy, like playoffs or whatever? they're both in a championship and it's like coming down at Lennon-night football. They're like, yeah. Yeah, well, whatever. But like, it's like a part of the game. People do that and it's not necessarily frown upon.

Is there any difference between that and this? I think this is. I mean, there is slightly different. Yeah, that's benching a D to win. Yeah, lock up a win is different. Yeah. I think it's not the same. Well, you're not benching a Dada lock up a win.

Well, DK is saying if you have like, you're a three point lead, you bench your defense so that it doesn't get like negative five. And that's what you're saying, right, DK? I'm saying people decided. to split the pot before the week is over. Like regardless who wins the championship game, we will split the pot in fantasy. People do that sometimes.

And so this is like them saying, look, I'm not going to drop this guy. You're not going to drop your guy. We'll go and just like our skill guys together. We'll like determine the outcome. It's different, but it's in the same family, I guess. I tend to think this is okay, to be honest. I think this is hilarious.

Yeah, this is kind of just like savvy gamesmanship. This is like Dan Lannning on the Oregon coach having 12 guys on the field to get the penalty and lose the time. I'm kind of like, this is kind of like within the rules, I think. It's pretty creative. It's pretty creative.

No one's getting an advantage. You could also make the case that even if they didn't collude, they would have done this anyway, or like one would have done it anyway. I have seen teams before sit or not play a defense because they don't want to drop somebody. Like, you know, you're playing for the season, not for the week. I kind of think this is okay.

But you're putting other teams at a disadvantage because they're allowing each other to keep those players instead of drop them. But like, I guess it's thing, it's like, the word I don't like in this is they're like, it's collusion. And like the thing I don't like is like collusion is when you're, there's something like bad faith is essential to collusion. This is very much both people are doing what's in best interest to their team. And also it's like you're not breaking any rules. You're just like playing a guy.

I don't know. I think it's funny and creative. I think it's actually really. I really is just Larry David grabbing someone in line. Like we're both going to stand here. It is kind of funny. When you, at the end of the day, neither of them are actually doing anything. No.

Yeah. In action cannot be collusion. Literally not doing a thing. Man, I don't know. I'm really torn on this. You guys both think it's okay. So my vote probably doesn't matter anyway. You know when like an NBA team rest their starters and then the other team finds out and they're like, well, then I guess we'll rest our starters too.

Yeah. That's fine. It sucks for the fans. Yeah. It sucks for the fans. There's your answer, Sam. It sucks for the fans. Yeah.

I think this is okay. I love that. A couple other emails here. Yeah. Well, we have any more fantasy courts or just that one? We have other fantasy course here. We got one from Don. Donnie.

Don says I need a ruling. Appled Herbert. You just put that in my head for another whole case. Someone emailed us and they had done something and they were like, I don't know. They texted their wife like two in the morning about something they thought they were going to forget. Wait, wait, back up. What's going on? Who texted who?

Someone emailed us and they were like, oh, they were like, I don't know. I forget the story. It was something like they texted their wife at two in the morning. because they like thought they were going to she woke up she was like why did you send me that text and he was like oh don't worry about it i was just being a nervous nervous nervous and and it just came out now i'm like damn nervous nervous nervous nervous nervous nervous anyway don donnie i picked up and dropped the defense on yahoo and i did not think anything of it until late afternoon on sunday when i saw that the defense i had added actually was

on my bench and my defense slot was empty and so i notified the i notified the commissioner as soon as I noticed, he refused to address the issue. My argument was that my intent was clear and obvious in what I was attempting. I eventually lost the game by one point. The defense I added scored 16 points. God. That's tough. Don would like a rule.

Unfortunately, I think this is just tough, this is a tough lesson to learn. Then you won't do that again. I agree. Yeah, I think this is, this is wholly up to the discretion. We punt this down to the lower courts. This is up to the discretion of the, of the commissioner. I would have allowed it. This is like the replay thing,

overturning versus whatever. Like, I would have allowed this if the commissioner decided to let you play that defense. You know, I think that's fine too. Sometimes you got to learn the lesson,

you know, let the kid smoke the whole pack of cigarettes. I think that this is the, yeah, I agree, I think this is the flip side of when we're like, I mean,

anytime there's, we've ever gotten an email basically about like, this trade's unfair. Can we veto it? And I'm like, the Miami Dolphins were not consulted by Roger Goodell

if the gym, jet should be allowed to acquire Devante Adams or if the bill should be allowed to acquire on Mark Cooper. It's like there's been one veto in real life in our entire life and there's way more stakes on pro sports. Why do you think you get to vote on other people's teams? Because basically it's like you run your own team you have the freedom to make mistakes.

And the flip side of this is you have the freedom to make mistakes. You run your own team. You're in charge of you. You didn't set your fucking lineup. I'm sorry. Like no offense. I agree. But no. Nervis Nervis Nervis. Nervis Nervis. Big news, guys.

Nervisnerveson. Cut. No. Nervis Narvison. He's so nervous now. Imagine how nervous he was in the coach's office. Nervisner. Man.

All right. That's sad. RAP. Yeah. R. R.B. A couple other emails here before we get out of here. Yeah.

We're going to do one in six degrees of separation. Do you guys want one on tell us about the war grandpa about selling out? Sure. Yeah. All right. This from Tom. Tommy. Thomas.

Tom, Tom. Tom. Tom, Tom. I'm 34 years old. Sometimes I feel like I'm right between high fits of Craig and DK in terms of generation. But easily the biggest

contra, you guys are talking about like selling out. Tom says the biggest sellout controversy was when Metallica made their 1991 smash hit the black album. And Metallica sold out because they made an album a lot of people liked. And that's it.

And they were called sellouts and they didn't make another 80s thrash metal album. Instead, they made a mainstream album and a lot of people liked it. So they were demonized by their fans for selling out, which is a concept

I'm sure is completely foreign to Craig Hafeits and all of music today. It's a good example of like fans gatekeeping their shit and not wanting anybody else to listen to it. I have no knowledge of this. DK., do you know what this is? I don't know that Metallica getting backlash for the black album. I don't think I knew. I'm not like a Metallica guy. I didn't know like that specific thing, but that is 100% of thing.

That happens a lot where like if a band changes their sound from one album to the next, everyone's like, you fucking sold out. You just wanted to get your shit on the radio. You know, like, yeah. What was the core of that? What's the core of it? I think that the certain segment of fans that really like the old stuff wanted all the new stuff to stay sounding like the old stuff.

And then you get bands that are wanting to appeal to a broader audience, obviously, and make more money and go on the, and get your songs on the radio, blah, blah, blah. And they have to, and songs that go on the radio have to fit like this certain structure and sound and not have swearing and not have like really long, you know, interludes in the middle or whatever. They're all like three minutes long and have a certain structure. And so I think people view that as like selling out and it like ruins the product.

That's an interesting point. Also, sorry, we have to take a break here for Diet Coke Oreos. It's like the product placement in Wayne's World. I think it might be Wayne's World too when they're eating like the pizza and they have like the Pepsi, all the Pepsi swag. Love that. All right. Last email here. This is from Craig.

Craig? Craig. You don't hear a lot of Craigs out there. Not a lot of Craigs. So in the last episode, we were joking about six degrees. Some people emailed us who knew Land Clark, and we were joking. Craig, you joke that we could make six degrees of separation with like anyone. Land Clark or Ganenberg.

I was going to see who's the most obscure famous person we could get to. And I said it's probably Kim Jong-un. Right. Oh, God. Craig points out. Does he listen to the show? Is he a fan? Yeah.

So Kim, yeah, this is actually from. Kim Jong, correct. No. So, but we had said Kim Jong-un's probably one of the harder people to play six degrees of separation. Kevin Bacon. Do they have podcasts in North Korea? Well, let me tell you something. Fuck. Let me tell you guys something. First of all, just before I say, uh, if we're, are we the first or are we zero? Like in the six degree. Are we the first degree? Like, am I the first degree in the connection? Or am I zero? It's a great question. That's why I had trouble with the Kevin Bacon thing. Like me to you. That's one, right? Like, I know you. So that's one. It's one.

But like Haifitz, my connection to your dad is two? Yes, because you know me and then I know my dad says too. So I'm two degrees of separation from your dad. Okay, so then I have really big news. I'm going to count to get this right. Okay. We can, we are, Craig emailed us to point out, we are three degrees separated from Kim Jong-un. Which means there's just two people between us and Kim Jong-un.

Yes. There is a very, very easy two-degree connection between us and Kim Jong-un. Well, like Dennis Rodman? Yes. Dennis Rodman was Kim Jong-un and Craig produced flying coach with Steve Kerr who played with Dennis Rodman. We are three degrees away from Kim Jong-un. Yeah. Now we're talking.

Three degrees from King-Jangoon. That was so easy. It was so easy. Wow. Yeah, I mean, honestly, like Bill Simmons is easy too because it's like anyone Bill's had on his pod. Yeah. You just, that's one degree right there. pod.

Right. Yeah, that's another one. My first thought was like, this is going to be somebody in Sony with like that whole like, oh my. I don't know if they met face to face. But isn't that? I don't know. So anyway, yeah.

Yeah, Rodman. The ringer, the ringer fitness and football show, three degrees of separation. Okay. Well, then give us somebody harder to get to at this point, you know. That's famous? That's pretty tough. Yeah, like who is, who's like a super famous hermit? Brock Bowler.

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It takes so many people to do this. But most of all, thank you, Lorne. Lauren. Thank you, Metallica for selling out. Love it. I'll also thank you, Sean, for coming on this show.

Yeah, Metallica. So people really were mad at Metallica? I don't know. Again, I'm not a Metallica guy. We'd have to ask Mays because he's big on Metallica. You know, I don't know. Is like, did people care?

that like there was a Coca-Cola in E.T. Did that matter? Somebody did. Somebody did, Craig. Pepsi cared. Have you ever been on the internet? Well, there was no internet. Yeah, people kept the shit to themselves and forgot about it.

Someone just said, oh, they sold out to Coca-Cola and then they're part of their spot. They talked to each other about how they hated it. I just wonder if that was criticized in the reviews of the movie. If Ebert was like, eh, the Coca-Cola thing. Just crass. A little cringy. Yeah. Yeah.

A little bit, you know. I don't know. Head us up if you saw E.T. in the theater and then saw the Coca-Cola can and we're upset. I like the idea of like, what is the most annoying or worst product placement of all time in a movie? Oh, that's a great email of ringer fantasy football. The funniest actual one was the Starbucks in the Game of Thrones episode. That is the worst thing ever. That's like the most like, that really was when I realized, oh, no one gives a shit about their fucking emailing it.

Everyone's checked out on this goddamn show. They're just so tired. I don't want to do something else so bad. Yeah. Dinklage was like, I'm so tired. I need to drink my Starbucks during the scene. I think the funniest is just the concept of Will Ferrell pitching Ricky Bobby. And they're like, we'll fund the entire movie just because like the entire movie will be product placement like maskers.

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