The Ringer NFL Show - Day 3 Sleepers, Bizarre QB Choices, and Which GMs Won the Draft

Episode Date: May 1, 2022

We recap Day 3 of the NFL draft, including which players from the later rounds could end up as household names, the Patriots selecting a QB, and Sam Howell landing in Washington. Then, we talk about which GMs set themselves up for success, and which are on the hot seat after this year's draft. Check out The Ringer’s 2022 NFL Draft Guide Email us! [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Kelly, Ben Solak, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey, it's Sean Fennessey. We've got something special cooking on the Prestige TV podcast. I'll be recapping one of my favorite shows, HBO's Barry, every Sunday night with the writer-director star of the show, The Great Bill Hater. We'll talk about the show's wild twists and turns, its special brand of dark comedy, and how it all came together. So on Sunday nights, immediately after a new episode airs, you can hear Bill and I break it all down on the Prestige TV pod. Subscribe on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to The Ringer NFL Draft Show. My name is Craig Horlebeck. I'm a big. joined by Danny Kelly and Ben Solac. Danny Hyfitz once again not here.

He is the best man in a wedding. Best man. Important. He's the best man. Best. If his friend had any taste though, he would have gotten married on stage at the NFL draft like somebody did today. Wait,

that happened? This is my follow the draft on Twitter day. I cannot do day three. Yes, I turned it off. Yeah, it's too much for me. An abomination of programming. It should just be text on a screen because they had Ice Cube perform. Weezer performed and two people got married.

Dude, weez actually. did see the Weezer concert? Who is Guambo? Looking a little old and haggard. Who is Weezer? Oh, come on. Weezer. Not Black Sheep.

You know the song Beverly Hills spent. Beverly Hills. Yeah. That's the song you thought of. Like, say it ain't so or like... Say it ain't so. Buddy Holly. Yeah, buddy Holly.

The first thing that comes up when you Google Weezer is a fictional character named Carl Weezer. I don't know what show he's from though. Oh, Jimmy Neutron. Yeah, Carl Weezer. Hi, Jim. You don't know that? Man. I wish Hyvitz was here right now.

By the way, I quoted, I had a friend text me yesterday because I quoted Tommy Boy on the podcast and neither, none of you guys got it. What was the quote? I said a lot of people go to college for seven years. Oh. I quoted a vine and neither one of you guys

got it. This was a couple nights ago. Just generational problems here. So we're all doing our own bits for our own subset of the listeners. just incidentally on top of one another with no chemistry or interrelation between them. Well, the high Jimmy is going to hit amongst a good subset of people.

Anyway, so rounds four through seven, full disclosure, we're recording right as round seven is wrapping up. So I guess something crazy could happen. And let's start with the quarterbacks because a quarterback hasn't been drafted yet who everybody thought would be drafted. And that's Carson Strong,

left on red by the NFL. But first, we have to discuss the New England Patriots. The New England Patriots drafted Bailey Zappy before Sam Howell. The Patriots drafted Mac Jones last year. And then drafted Bailey Zappy in the fourth round. It's a truly bizarre draft class. But no team could have drafted Bailey Zappy and I would have been like,

this matters. This means something to them, right? I think it's more just like the Patriots draft backup quarterbacks. Like they, you know, it's by the Brian Hoyer who's 50 or, you know, some random rookie guy on a contract. Yeah. But I will say that the guy. that they've been drafting are perplexingly old.

They're all like 24. Yes. Their draft class, like every year, the Patriot's draft class doesn't make sense. This year, the Patriot's draft class really doesn't make sense.

I don't. Like, Belichick has always preferred to draft multi-year starters. That's Belichick and everybody from his treat, right? When Bob Quinn went to Detroit, Robinson when he was in Tennessee, like anybody who's got like a Belichick inspired for an office generally likes multi-year-starter guys.

They like veteran players, like dudes who've done it for a while. But everybody they've drafted is my age. And that can't be good process. I really don't care even who the prospects are. And the prospects are weird. They had one of the coolest two-headed backfields. The prospects are weird. They have one of the coolest two-headed backfields in the league.

And Damian Harris and Ramandre Stevenson. It was thunder and more thunder. And then they drafted two running backs, which doesn't make sense. They got two corners who I like in Marcus Jones and Jack Jones, but they already had a cornerback named Jones. They have three cornerbacks named Jones. You are asking for problems when you have three quarterbacks named Jones. There's going to be a mis substitution at some point.

This is bad strategy. The thing that I just kept thinking about while you were talking about this class, because, yes, it is a bizarre class. You tweeted earlier that you think maybe they're drafting because of what they think are like adjectives or whatever. Like, Cole, strange. He's very strange. Pierre strong.

He's strong. Bailey is zappy. Sounds like zippy. So maybe he's a little speedster. Yeah. It's either an adjective last name or Jones. That's the whole draft boss right now. Bailey Zappy set the single season record in college football for yards and touchdowns.

They're going to turn him into Jimmy G. He's got Minchew vibes or something. I swear, Mac Jones is going to tweak a hamstring and Bailey Zabby's going to come in and have a good game and Bill's not going to know what to do with himself. He's going to be like, I kind of like Zambi. This is, this reminds me, though. I think it's worth talking about somewhat seriously for a minute here. The Patriots have always marched to the beat of the Roan Drum as a draft team as a team as a team was drafting or whatever. And so, and part of the reason is, they have, according to Daniel Jeremiah, and I've heard this from multiple sources, like, they have like a very small big board.

Every draft they come into, maybe they'll have like 50 guys total out of like the whatever there is, like 600 potential players in this draft field. They narrow it down to guys that they just really want. It's either like it's not like we're going to rank a whole bunch of guys. It's basically like, are we willing to take this guy with a draft pick yes or no? And if not, then they take them off their board and put them on the back. board. And if they don't like if they run out of guys, then they just start punting picks into the next into the next year. And so, you know, we saw them early on like a like a couple of days before the draft even started. They like traded one of their mid round picks for late round picks because I think

that they were like assuming they just weren't going to have anybody on the board at that point or something like that. Um, so I don't know. It's just kind of bizarre, but I, the way that they go about it. They have a really small board. That's why like, I think it's so strange. They have, they pick two running backs. But maybe let's like, like literally the top-ranked guys on their board. And Damien Harris is their starter, and he is a free agent after 2022. So maybe this is just like them looking down the road and saying we need running backs to come in.

And maybe they're actually going to try and trade Damian Harris now. And then kind of roll. These teams are being awfully prudent about their running back position. They're like, got to get ahead of it. We got to get ahead of it. Well, Chris Carson and Rashad Penny, nope, got to get ahead of it. Let's bring in Kenneth Walker. Yeah.

And so anyways, it's a very weird draft. But also, I think, like, to circle all the way around, like Bailey Zappi going above Sam Howell is kind of a shock. And it's kind of one of the bigger, I think, storylines of this draft. Like, Sam Howell fell into the fifth round. Like, people were expecting him to go in the second round. Like, I thought I was being, like, harsh on him

because I had him ranked in, like, the 50s. And, like, I thought I was being a hater. Like, the NFL didn't want him. Where do you think the NFL would have drafted Howell if he came out last year? Yes, this is a guy who was perceived as a first-round quarterback the year before, right? Howell opened

as one of the top guys in terms of draft odds to go one overall, which doesn't actually mean anything. But in terms of like the height that that UNC program had coming into the year, in terms of how Howell produced with Diamie Brown and Das Newsome, which everybody's talked about, like they, Michael Carter, Brawant-Drevonte Williams, all

those guys moved on, absolutely. But even if the league kind of knew Howell wasn't all that, there's, in my mind, no way. Somebody wasn't throwing a second round pick on Sam Howell if he came out after the 2020. one season or the 2020 season. Because it just,

he was just good. It was a lot of production. He could throw the ball really far, air raid. Nobody really cares about that anymore. Sure, let's do it. The fact that he fell this far for just generally having like a horrible line, horrible weapons and playing roughly the same is really speaks to how much context affects these evaluations.

Which we always talk about how do you evaluate guys without context. Turns out we do. Because Howell was not a fifth round pick out of the 2020 season. No way, no how. I think I said this maybe on the. take Purge, but I'm actually going to just say it in real life now. Like, I think Baker Mayfield ruined Sam Howell. Like, he looks like Baker Mayfield. He plays like Baker Mayfield. I think he doesn't like look fit. Like his face doesn't look like Baker Mayfield, but like physically he looks like

Baker Mayfield on the field. They have somewhat similar style. Six one kind of thick, energetic, stocky. Yeah, like a little plucky scramblers, if you will. And I really do think like the NFL like has absolutely no interest right now. But to not just. draft him at all. I mean, we're almost done with the seventh round here. He hasn't been drafted yet. You had him 60th on your big board, D.K. I know. And I thought I was being mean. Like, I thought I was being a hater. Like, the NFL really had like no desire to have any part of this guy. Um, so by the way, he ended up with the commanders. So maybe he actually is like the next Kirk Cousins. He's going to come in as like a fourth or fifth round pick win the job over Carson Wentz. Like it wouldn't be the weirdest thing in the world if the Carson Wince experiment just fails spectacularly. And then Sam Howell ends up being the starter, right? Like it's not going to be that. That. It's not going to be that. crazy. So maybe we'll look back on this conversation and be like

we probably overreact a little bit. But I think like fifth round, that's crazy. When's the last time Wedd's played a whole season? Like was available healthy. In 2019,

he had 16 to 16 games in Philly. But other than that, it was his rookie year. So, a low risk, high reward thing here for Washington. Oh, 100%.

But you could have said that about so many teams for like three rounds. Like, it's just bizarre that he lasted this long. Same with Ritter and Willis. You could have said this.

Yeah. So, you know, the Seahawks straight up, there was a lot of smoke around the Seahawks liking Sam Howell coming into this draft. I saw, I think Pelliserro tweeted it a couple different times. Like Seahawks really like how they've done their homework on him. They had like five or six chances to draft him, like late. And they still didn't do it. So I just think, you know, it's kind of bizarre. But at the same time, like, you know, it seems I think are more cognizant of the idea that like we're not going to commit to anybody unless we like actually feel like it's a good fit. And like, there's a real future here or something. And I said earlier, I got my wires crossed. I was thinking about Carson Strong when I said, oh, he hasn't been drafted yet when we were talking about Sam Howell. But I was talking about Carson Strong, who has yet to be drafted, the quarterback out of Nevada, who has a medical, you know, there's some medical red flags. He's a leg injury that he's, like, still kind of recovering from Ben, jokes that he's

like as mobile as a tree. Is Carson Strong going to be in the NFL? Is he going to be a practice squad quarterback in three months? Probably. And again, I just want to say to you, Ben. I'm sorry for making you chart Carson Strong. That was going to be the first thing I said of the stepbossom. DK ranked this guy in the top 100 and made me chart.

He had 527 dropbacks. I couldn't get him all because I didn't have enough Nevada film. He's not going to be drafted. Last time I charted a quarterback who didn't end up drafted, it was like Brandon Silvers. It's my fault. It's my fault. Yes, it is. To peek behind the curtain here, I just felt the need to put him in the top 100.

I think I put him like 99 or 8 or something like that. Because I thought there was a good chance he gets drafted on day two, and I wanted to have a profile up there for people to, read. I didn't actually really think he was a top of hundred players. That's kind of lying. I know. I'm sorry to everyone who reads my draft guy, but yeah, and sorry, especially to Ben, for making you watch all that tape. But I think honestly, it wasn't necessarily, like, I don't think he's a really great quarterback, but it wasn't, mostly, I think it was the knee issue. So he's, we, we went through his knee issues on a previous podcast, but basically he had, I don't even know what the name of it was.

Some degenerative disease were, or not to see, degenerative condition where the cartilage in his knee degraded, it detached from his leg, there was like a, essentially like a dead spot in his bone. It's like a very serious knee issue. We had like three or four surgeries on it. And so, and I apologize if I'm getting some of the details incorrect. Basically, the bottom line is the knee condition, I think, is the far and away the reason he didn't get drafted.

Or he hasn't been drafted yet. I guess we're still a few picks away from ending. But, yeah. So it looks like if he doesn't get drafted, if Carson Strong doesn't get drafted, It looks like six quarterbacks are going to be drafted in the NFL draft, which feels like the smallest amount of quarterbacks we've ever seen. I know in 2015, there were seven drafted, and that was the least since 1955.

Wow. So this is some high spent seventh round right here. I'm going back to the live tracker. What is up? We getting strong in here? What? But anyway, so let's kind of move on here to rounds four through seven. The way I kind of think about this, I mean, I don't know the majority of these players,

except Matt Arraza, shouts out punt god, shouts out Bulls Mafia. We're going to talk about that, yeah. Go Aztex. Which players drafted in rounds four through seven,

in your guys' opinions, have a chance to become a household name in their careers? DeC., we'll start with you. Yeah, I jotted down, and look, most players drafted on day three are, I mean,

just the odds of you turning out into like a productive, well-known, famous NFL player are pretty low. So I basically just looked at who are the guys who could potentially be fantasy assets, because that's like really

how they're going to get talked about, probably. A couple guys came to mind, Damian Pierce from the Texans. He got drafted on the second pick of the day, second pick of the fourth round by the Texans. The Texans don't really have an established hierarchy in that running back group.

I think there's a pretty solid chance. He ends up being their starter. It's got to be. They have Marlon Mac and Rex Burkhead. Yeah. Or at least like a big part of their rotation. And so, and he runs with such like ferocity and violence and like just run through your face like Marsha and Lynch style

as a runner. I think people are going to like him and people are going to start talking about him. So he's a guy, I think, that could potentially, you know, become a quote-unquote household name going forward if he ends up being the starter. Tyler Algier from BYU landed in a very interesting situation with the Falcons in the fifth round. He's a guy that, you know, again, it's the same situation. There's not really an established starter. You know, Cordero Patterson is there. But, and I think is Mike Davis still under contract there?

He's still there, but that could change soon enough. And they signed Damien Williams. Okay. Yeah, we go. So like basically it's a bunch of like older veteran guys. Like he has a chance to come in and, um, at least be part of the rotation and be fantasy relevant. So, um, he's another one that I would like throw out there. And then thirdly, lastly, Khalil Shakur from the bills. Love Khalil. Yeah. He fell quite a bit further than I think that I thought he would. And I think a big reason is he has very short arms. He has like 29 inch arms, which probably falls below the thresholds for a lot of teams in terms of what they want at the receiver position. But he's a very versatile player, you know, run after the. catch, you kind of line them up all over the place. He's probably going to be a slot, and it's very interesting that he came to the bills because he can play like a very dynamic role for them. Maybe he's like their future, you know, basically right now, Jameson Crowder is there.

And who is the little slot receiver guy from last year? Isaiah McKenzie. Well, not him that he got cut recently because he wanted to trade. Colby's Lee? Yes, Colbyzley. D.K. was trying so hard. do you have tried so hard not be like the guy who was the face of the anti-vax had to fill players.

Yeah, the COVID-denier guy? Yeah. Sorry, by the way, just my brain, I'm brain dead right now. It's been a long weekend. But anyway, yes, he could kind of play that role, I think, and it would be a little bit more dynamic for them. So I think he's really interesting. Maybe not in year one, but year two,

if he takes over for like what James and Crowder's expected to do this season, he could be a name that, like, people start from now. Also, I don't think they cut Isaiah McKenzie. I think he's still on the team. He's still there. Yeah, it's McKenzie. Crowder and they're probably going to rotate a little bit. So Shakur might not be even involved.

But he's the guy you had 65th overall on your big board and he went in the fifth round. Yeah, I was very high on him. I think he, and again, it's probably big part like the arm length, like a lot of people probably just took him off their board. So anyways, it's going to be very interesting to see what he does because I think he's a good player. Ben, who'd you like in day three? Yeah, so okay, non-fantasy player edition then.

made fun of the Patriots draft but if there's going to be a player that becomes a household name a corner drafted by the Patriots is always a good bet and Jack Jones and out of Arizona State previously was at USC

was a really really high caliber crew at USC strongly just keep his head on straight in college robbed a panda express that's publicly Oh wow knowledge yeah

no need for that but yeah so he was arrested in charge with I think just burglary I think like usually there's like a fancy legal termite I was like yeah you're a burglar you burgled someone

But anyway, so, you know, struggled to walk the straight and narrow there a little bit, but a really, really, really talented cover man. And so if he gets good guidance, kind of stays on the street and narrow there in New England, he's always had NFL talents since the day he walked on a football field as a college player. So Jack Jones, the quarter out of Arizona State.

Cordell Volson was the fourth round pick of the Bengals. They got him at their pick, 31 overall. He played tackle for North Dakota State for the Bison. He probably a guard in the league. He's good. he's flat out good just to use a good quality lineman who I thought should have gone day two

and the Bengals have plenty of room for both their current starters to be beat out and then also like the gaps that still remain on their offensive line this office line is far from being locked in place wait did Skyler go yes he did two more quarterbacks

Chris Ola Doken I don't know I don't know if that is Oh Alunicon the San Diego State or not San Diego State South Dakota State yeah yeah I liked him I remember watching his film, like, adjacent to watching other FCS defensive guys.

And I was like, I'd take this guy to seven. So he went and Skyler Thompson out of Kansas State went before Carson Strong. Yeah, here's the thing. To Miami Dolphins, by the way. Miami, he's like a such a dumb thing to say. He'd be a fun, like, a gadget quarterback, right? He's a nice guy to have on the roster for like Taysam Hill-esque reasons. Let's put it that way.

You know what I'm saying? But anyway, so those picks are fun. Cordell Wilson, I would not be. surprised if by week six, he's the starting right guard of Cincinnati Bengals. Absolutely love that. Wow. Tyreek, cool. Yeah, Tarreek Smith went to Danny's Seahawks in round five as rush out of Ohio State. He was supposed to be like the next guy in the line for Ohio State never really fully came together, but the length is there, the explosiveness is there. We love that in round five.

Tyson Anderson out of Toledo was a guy that I did not know who he was until like four days before the draft started. You want a 6-6-4-3 going. I'm going to pay attention. That is a blazing speed for a defensive back. He's 6-2-2-10, too. He ain't short. This is not like one of those 5-8, a buck-75 guys who's running out of time. He can really move. He played like big nickel-slot hybrid sort of position for Toledo. The Bengals drafted him. And the reason why I love that is because the Bengals drafted Dax Hill. And Tyson-Hill was like the, if you didn't get Dax Hill consolation prize four hours later. And they just took both of them. And they are really well set to have a really versatile secondary there. They did the whole like big slot defender with Trey Flowers this year.

And I think Anderson can fill that role. So I loved that pick. So two for the Bengals there. Wow, yeah. Yeah, and then last but not least, third team All-American defensive tackle, Matthew Butler, who played for Tennessee. It's just a productive penetrating upfield one tech, who no hype during the process.

It was just a good, productive senior player and the SEC. The Raiders grabbed him. They got two SEC defensive tackles, Neil Farrell and Butler, who's just a good rush guy. He's just a good 115-pound rush player. And whenever you can get one of those,

especially fifth round or later, that's a nice win. So I think all five of those guys have a chance to become impact players between year one and year two, and then fans of those teams will know those players on the defensive side of the ball. I was watching Neil Farrell the other day. He is a square.

He's shaped like a square. We love our refrigerators in the middle, baby. Nothing better than just that absolute washing machine at Zero Tech. You ever move a washing machine that's difficult, right? We can get ourselves a nice frigid air. Absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, we're cooking now. First team, all washing machine.

Jordan Davis, that's a deep freezer, all. You gotta get two people to move with that thing I love just comparing players to kitchen and household appliances There was a defensive tackle out of Oregon A few years ago Jordan Scott wore number 34 He was like 6 foot 340

Unbelievable frame Wow He was 6 foot 340 He was legit cubic A circle He was crazy He was legit cubic He was as wide as he was tall

And his nickname on the team was mini fridge Like they just like yeah A little tank boy And I just love that body type. I think it's so fun. That's great. All right.

So let's zoom out even more here. DK, if you had to pick a team or a couple of them who you thought won day three here of the draft stocked their team appropriately, who would you pick? I know that this is annoying. And for people listening, I'm sorry. But the Ravens, again. Just keep, this can't keep happening. Yeah.

Why do they keep get away with this? So they came in with four fourth round picks, plus a couple other later ones, I guess. And so they just came up. away with some really good players. Again, like multiple guys that I had on my top 100 list, Daniel Falale from Minnesota, who is a like 6 foot 8, 380 pound tackle. He's

a 2-1 washer dryer. This man's a stack. He's large, but he also moves pretty well. Like, I was surprised. I liked his tape. He's got some issues, of course, because he's like huge and he's new to the game relative to a lot of these other people, because he's from Australia, former, I think he played like rugby or whatever. And so he's a really interesting

developmental guy. He kind of of fits the mole of what they like to do. Jalen Armour Davis from Alabama, a corner, and then they got Charlie Kohler, tight end from Iowa State, who I had in my top 100. He's just like a really good possession receiver type guy. Probably like going to be lining up in the slot a lot for them. They're going to be running tons of 12 personnel, 13 personnel this year.

It's going to be interesting because they just traded Marquis Brown. So now they're just like loading up on tight ends and stuff. They also drafted Isaiah likely, who is a move tight end, really, really productive. So the Ravens are going to be really interesting. And then, of course, late in the draft, I got one of my favorite, like, sleeper running backs, Tyler Beatty from Missouri. Not a great landing spot for him,

if you're, like, talking about fantasy because he was supposed to be, like, a pass catcher, you know, like, that was going to be, like, where he separates himself. And the Ravens never throwed at their running backs, so that maybe that's not going to work out too great, but he's a good runner also.

He's, like, you know, sort of like a three-down pack for Missouri. So I think the Ravens really stood out. I'll do one more just real quick, so we don't have to always talk about the Ravens to Packers. I thought had a pretty good day three. Romeo Dubs from Nevada, Carson Strong's top target,

went in the fourth round to them. And then Zach Tom, one of my, I think not like favorite, but like a pretty damn intriguing middle round offensive line. And he can play like multiple positions. He's really athletic.

And then Kingsley and I'm Barré from South Carolina. He fell, he fell a bunch because he didn't test very well. But I think he's just like got really strong hands. He's like a good, powerful defensive end type guy, outside linebacker type guy.

Rashid Walker. That was another guy that I thought was pretty good. He fell, it'll be interesting to see what happens what we hear about Rashid Walker, because I thought he would have been like a day two guy. But like that's another great value pick for them. I thought he,

you know, he struggled at times, but I think he had good enough tape to go in the middle rounds. They got him in seventh round. Going back to the Ravens there for a second, so they traded away Marquis Brown. They had, I think, nine picks in this draft. They did not take a wide receiver.

Are the Ravens going to go back to like the 2018-19 Lamar offense and just absolutely pound the ball? Something is changing in Baltimore, offensively. Something's got to be. In the pivot, I got to remember my years. I think it was before that 2019 season, if you remember, it was after Lamar's MVP year. Harbaugh had kind of like a buzzing quote to the media in July. People kind of got all footouched about it, where he was like, we need Lamar to be a better deep passer. Like, we need to throw the ball better downfield.

And they just drafted Marquis Brown. Then Miles Boykin, you remember Miles Boykin? You remember Miles Boykin had Notre Dame 6-3, 200 could fly. We ran a four-fourty. It's like a third rounder, right? Yeah. And anyway, we're going to be vertical. Like, we're going to be a vertical passing you're going to go play action and no team should have more success throwing the ball downfield than we do because we have a quarterback who can do it we have speed a receiver and we're going to make them put so many players in the box and it just never really came to fruition like Lamar got better passing deep but they never like fully became this like truly spread and shred you out sort of a passing game and then very quietly not really quietly I guess we've been talking about last few days

they traded marquis brown they cut miles boykin they drafted rashad bateman last year who's a possession receiver, right? This is like a separator underneath. They got Tyler Linderbaum, who is not the sort of, like their ex-center Patrick McCarty was like 6-3-320. He played tackle at Cal and he was playing center for the Ravens. That's how big they wanted to be up front. Orlando Brown. This is a huge team. They're not exactly the same now. They're a little bit quicker. They're a little bit lighter, a little bit smaller on the offensive line. And now they're drafted. They got what, like three tight ends in this class or something ridiculous, right? They're loading up on tight end personnel. They stole Patrick McCarrey at fullback. They have their,

they're running back in J.K. Dobbins and Justice Hill, right? They have kind of that rotation we never really got to see, but they have these bodies. And they seem perfectly fine. It'd be like, Rashad Bateman, Devin DuVernay, nothing really a receiver. It very much seems, yes, then not only are they going to run the ball more, but also they're going to run it differently and get into their passing game spots differently, which is like a little bit exciting because everything Greg Roman has done to this point, their officer coordinator has really kind of sucked. Their passing game designs last year were horrible. They constantly had dudes in the same space.

There wasn't good distribution. It wasn't good timing. But it's also not exciting because Greg Roman's still the office coordinator. So even if they're changing stuff, you worry about the same problems. Really, really fascinated to see what the Ravens offense looks like for snaps of 2021. Because I guarantee you it'll be different. I could not tell you how, but something's going to change for sure. Is this mean that Tyler Wallace is back? He's back like he's still alive?

Tyler Wallace never left, baby. Oh, right? Big Tyler Wallace fan over here. Good, good. Ben, who in your opinion won rounds 4 through 7? Danny Seahawks absolutely deserved mention here. Oh, yeah. The Seahawks, we did this bit yesterday.

We're doing it again. Seahawks had a good draft. If all you know is who the good players are. Good or bad. Right? Like if I gave just a stranger on the street, like a list of like where I ranked the players and the list of which team drafts which players,

they're like, oh, Seahawks killed it. I'd beg, yeah. You don't need any other information. It's like the Rotten Tomatoes system of grading movies. it's either thumbs up or thumbs down. That's it. No gray area. Listen, it's good or bad prospects.

At the end of the day, football players, they'd be good or he's bad. And so after getting, you know, like, Boy, Mofa, wasn't my favorite edge, but I get it.

It's like an early second round pick. Kenneth Walker, great running back. Charles Cross was an awesome pick. Abe Lucas, good pass blocking tackle. Their day three, starting around four,

was Kobe Bryant and Tareke Wullen. Two long press man, Seattle Corners, baby. Embrace tradition. Reject, We are going back to Seattle cover three. Contraigings is Earl Thomas. Jamal Adams is Cam Chancellor.

No, this is the prototype that the Seahawks have used successfully at corner before. Tarek Wollin especially is like, what if D.K. Metcalfe is playing corner, right? He's 6 foot four and he ran like a 4-2-6. Yeah, and he can't turn. He is like, yeah, he's a track guy. He's literally like a track guy. He was bored to cover D.K. Metcalfe, and the Seahks are basically like, we can't let any other team happen. He is the D.K. Metcalfeck solution and we will pull.

possess the neutralizer. Yeah, we just got to sit him on our bench for four years. But Kobe Bryant is a three-year starter in a pressed man system with a ton of ball skills, ton of veteran work. He's not the best athlete, but he's an NFL caliber athlete. Love the Kobe Bryant pick. Tariki Smith already brought up,

and then two nice developmental receivers in the seventh round, Bo Melton out of Rutgers, who D.K. and I both talked about, and we talked about liking earlier in this process, has a little bit of running back to him, had a little bit of wiggle to him and move him in the backfield, right? If you wanted to get somebody in the D. Eskridge role,

because you were worried about D. Eskridge in the D. Eskridge role. Bowel Mountain's a really nice thing of the seventh round. Yes. This is what I was telling. I was already in the chat. I was like, this guy is basically like a discount D. Eskridge. Obviously, they're getting him in the seventh round, but he's a former four-star guy. He ran a 4-34, something like that, very fast. He was playing in this offense for Rutgers that was just atrocious quarterback play. Like, they couldn't hit anything.

And it made it very hard to, like, I'll be totally honest. It made it hard to, like, evaluate his film. When I watched him, I was like, this guy, I just don't really. see it because he's like never getting a target that's on target right like the the ball's just ending up wherever so like you can you can evaluate his movement skills he's very athletic he's very twitched up and i think he did really well at the senior was not he was not a four-star group accident and we take the mickey out of the patriots draft class for fun one of the things the patriots do really well is on day three they go okay who is the five-star recruit that never panned out that guy bring him here

and if he hits it's a five-star hit and instead of a three-star hit in right and athletically that that that describes the higher ceiling. Speaking of that, Derek Young? Yes, and then Derek Young as well, who's big, long, fast, wide receiver out of the Lord Ryan, which if you remember, that's where Kyle Dugger, the second round pick out of the Patriots, the safety came a couple of years ago. He's just one of these guys, you look at the

measurables and you go, okay, yep, and then you go, you turn on the highlight real film and you go, sure. Lance Zerline had a line in his counterpoint, I remember reading this couple weeks ago, where the first line was like, teams will just take one look at Derek Young's physique and draft him in the seventh round, right? And that's that what Seahawks did. It's like

D.K. Metcalfe walk in shirtless. Take one look at that guy and go, we will try it. We will see what you look like on a football field, son. He's body beautiful. He's a fun developmental guy. Body beautiful.

Got some tight skin. Just another, I think, another interesting wrinkle to like the behind the scenes drafting that I think is showing up here is the Seahawks took two receivers in the seventh round. And I think what that tells you is

they have zero confidence they're going to get receivers in undrafted free agency. Because typically the last couple picks of a draft, especially if you have a lot picks in a draft are to basically get ahead of undrafted free agency because undrafted free agents can go wherever they want agents are everybody wants to send their guy to a team where they're going

like number one make the roster number two potentially play no one's going to look at seattle and be like they have d k mackaff tire locket they just spent a second rounder on d eskridge they're a team with no quarterback that wants to run the ball no agent is going to be like yeah i'll send my receiver client there you know what i mean so i think this is just another like this is an aside but i think it's interesting part of like how the draft kind of works is the Seahawks basically were like, look, we're not going to get any receivers in free agency. Let's just draft these two guys and have them on our roster. And then we'll try and recruit other guys at other positions because they have 13 roster spots left right now. So they're going to be heavy in a draft free agency.

Did you like anybody else, Ben? Yeah, I think the Panthers deserve shine. Mostly because Carolina's largely just done bad things. So when they do even a remotely good thing, we should be, Yay, good job. Brandon Smith. Golf clap. Yeah. Fourth round pick linebacker out of Penn State. Big long fast.

Really, really good athlete. If you missed out the Troy Anderson in day two sweepstakes, Brandon Smith in day three sweepstakes was the appropriate thing to get into, so I like that a lot. Amari Barno was a good edge of Virginia Tech. I understand why he's not super NFL translatable, but there's length. He's a physical guy.

He'd be a team or four years. He ran like a 4-4 or something. Yeah, yeah. He was a pet cat of mine, Amari Barno out of Virginia Tech. Cade Mace, both of your starter in the SEC at Guard, where the Panthers always seen improvements along the offensive line, and then Kalin Barnes was one of the track stars there had a bailer their corner.

Fastest guy at the combine. 4-2-3, I want to say, 4-2-3. He's a little bit old, not the best cover man, but again, going to be a really good team player for you, which is a lot of what day three is about, and we take that speed, because if we can get that speed on the field in impact ways, whether it's as a punt returner, whether it's in coverage, a nickel guy, we expect that at that speed to be able to translate to explosive plays.

So the Panthers, first two days absolutely sucked, but, Actually, Iki Aquano, Day 1 They just didn't have any ammo to do anything in this draft. But this was, I think, nice work by Scott Fitterer there, who I think Scott Fitterer is a good evaluator and trader. And then everything else, but the trade is just horrible. And there's nothing else to be done.

T-R-A-D-R-D-R. I've been impressed with what, yeah, with what Fiderer has done during his short tenure there in that hellscape that is Carolina. He comes from Seattle. He spent 20 years in Seattle. So he certainly learned, like, the Seahawks, the way that they draft, which is a lot of trade downs.

And by the way, getting back to the CX real quick, the CX traded one time in this draft and it was not until day three. This was like the most bizarre Seahawks draft. Number one, they took a bunch of guys that were projected to be around where they took them, which is unheard of in Seattle drafting.

They didn't trade back or up, and they took good players. So good for them. I'm happy about that. Can I just say listening to most of this stuff, rounds four through seven is pretty much like listening to Latin for me. Don't know any of these guys.

Shout out to all the listeners who are here right now. You guys are football loving jesse's because we are deep. We're deep in the weeds right now. We're talking about D.K's happy because the receiver they drafted is similar to D. Eskridge, and that was a positive. He's the hedge, the D. Eskridge hedge for the Seahawks. The D. Eskridge role is what you guys say. Yeah.

All right. I'm upset about that personally. You know, like, that's not, that doesn't fly for me. I was wondering, no one reacted. Okay. Absolutely not. Ben's like, no. It's day three. I will not accept that.

Ben's like wrap it up. Okay, we're going to zoom out once more. Let's talk GMs for a second. Which GM are we going to look back to this draft on and think, wow, they nailed it. Like, this was the draft that set this team up for prolonged success. I'll go first because I think that Ben might steal mine. Terry Fontno for the Falcons.

In a couple of years, we could look back. And this is specifically if Desmond Ritter turns out to be a starter. But even if he doesn't, Drake London and Armwell, Abacetti are both really good picks and like can set this team up in the right direction. I think they're both can mean good players, high impact players, high impact positions. And then I also liked a lot of the other picks that they made. Like Troy Anderson, we talked about him yesterday, super, super athletic, dynamic, versatile guy that can do like a number of different things for them.

DeAngelo Malone, very athletic pass rusher. They got Tyler Algier, the running back out of BYU who could be their starter this year, potentially. He's a very big, like, tackle breaker guy. I kind of come to him to like a, a. miniature version of AJ Dillon. I called him the European sizing AJ Dillon. You know how like European

sizes are really short, like small? He's as discount of Nick Chub as you can get while still making a Nick Chub comparison. Like the body type is the same. The fluidity in the hips is the same. The tackle breaking is the same. And then they get into the open field and Nick Chub could run 200 yards before Tyler L.G.O. ran like 50. But

when they move, you see the similarities. Yeah, it doesn't have that final gear. But anyway, so I think that they set themselves up well here. Like they didn't have any glaring mistakes in my opinion. And then if Ritter, like Ritter is the wild card here, if Ritter turns into a starter, this is like a Russell Wilson situation where you get a guy in the third round, you're on a rookie contract, you can do so much stuff with your cap. You can go buy, like you can go buy free agent pass rushers on the open market and like really changed the destiny to your team. So, you know,

I don't know, like we talked about this again yesterday. Like, I don't know if Ritter's going to turn out now. Like the odds are certainly against him. But it was well worth, that's a gamble worth taking right there. could pan out for him. And it should be, it should be stated that Fontenau was that he became the GM last year and he was also the guy who took Kyle Pitts. So putting together an offensive core there for him. Pitts in London? That's just fun. So I like, I like the Falcons. I talked about them a little bit last night and Tyler Al Jir was always going to be a pick that won my heart as well. So I like what, what they did this year. Every year, the GM that drafts well against my board is John Robinson out of Tennessee. And I know I, I poke some fun at we just

draft dense young men over here in Nashville. And that's how we we live. But that's been a working philosophy for them in terms of how they build the team. They have that clear idea. And then I think they get good players against the board. So Traylon Berks, Roger McCreery, and Nicholas Petit Frere, along with the tradeup from Malik Willis through the first two days, if this team is to have a post-Ryan-Tan Hill future, the combination of Willis, Berks, and then Petit Frere, who to me is early on my board. I would not have drafted Petit Frere that high. But that trio is critical, right? That's next, you know, next year. two years, whatever you want to say.

But that's the futures. Quarterback, one, wide receiver one, and left tackle. So if you hit on that trifecta, two of the three, that's a really, really good nucleus to start. And then on day three, I thought they performed well. Hassan Haskins, running back out of Michigan. Just a good ball player, man. He's a great backup for Henry.

Exactly. Just a 225-pound physical dude gets five yards when he's supposed to get three. He gets six yards when he's supposed to get four. If we are running the ball in third and three, I want the ball to Hassan Haskins, he's going to know where that marker is and he's going to go get it. He can catch a little bit. he can pass direct a little bit, just a solid, consummate player. And then also in the fourth round, they go,

Chig, I want to say, right, a con quo, chig O'Conquo. It's a titan out of Maryland, who everybody in their mama watching Chig was like, oh, it's like Johnny Smith. Titans drafted John O'Smith in the fourth round, like five years ago, four years ago, something like that. This is a similar sort of build, similar sort of straight-line athletic system, similar sort of yak-breaking ability. He's like a little bit of like a full-back F, tight-end adjuster player.

And that's a fun role that they didn't have in their offense last year because they lost John and free agency. So he's a good addition. Kyle Phillips, traditional slot receiver, fifth round. He looked good. In the table of Kyle Phillips, I was like,

oh, this guy looks like he could contribute in the NFL. Had a really, really good shrine game, yeah. I almost gave the Titans one of the awards for the best day three because of, I think that pick is going to turn out looking really good in a few years here. Right. We talk about, like, you know,

all these big guys and you go and you look at the players that they had to play last year with the wide receiver injuries, right? Nick Westbro Kekina, Marcus Johnson, right? They had to have these big types. It would have been nice to have Kyle Phillips. Let me have a separator,

exactly the correct word on third and five. And so they went out and got that. Theo Jackson corner out of Tennessee, did not watch him, no idea. But Chance Campbell, linebacker, lineback out of Ole Miss in the seventh round. High energy, high effort player, good teamer, made some slash plays for Ole Miss's defense.

Yeah, this is a consummate draft across my board for John Robinson, which is a perennial thing for him. And proofs in the pudding. They continue to put together good teams for as much fun as is to make fun of them. So I love the forward look of this draft, while also getting guys who are going to, I think, matter right now.

We have to put the small asterisk on here. They did trade away AJ Brown. It's everything after the trade. Yes, yes. I do agree with it. I like all the players that they took. By the way, I was just laughing. I got a notification of my phone while we were talking.

The Rams drafted Kansas State Safety Russ Yeast. Yes. Beage. Rust yeast. Whose house? Russ Yeast. All right. A little delirious on day three here.

Ben likes John Robinson everything he did because he traded AJ Brown to the Eagles and then did a good job in the draft. Oh, that's what happened here. I see what's happening. All right, so let's go to the other side here. Which GM's job will maybe be on the hot seat if this year doesn't go so well? I'd like to take this one first because I made a regular comment that was extremely reasonable within context and has been taken out of context. Somebody asked me before day one, which GM will get fired today? And I said, today, like, Trambulke. Like nobody's getting fired today, right?

But who could get fired because the results of today? I said Joe Douglas, and I very much stand by that. I think Joe Douglas and the Jets have had a very good draft. I like the way they've drafted. They clearly drafted it well against their board because they got in the first round, both Sauce Gardner and Garrett Wilson, and then got Jermaine Johnson again. At the end of the first round, who was the top 10 player for them, who they were willing to take it 10, like that's an incredible start.

Breach Hall and Jeremy Rucker, they invest heavily on offensive skill position players, Max Mitchell as well, who's a tackle that I personally liked out of Louisiana Lafayette, and then Michael Clemens, good athlete defensive end out of Texas A&M, and they were done in round four. They have no more picks.

Great. It's good draft. They're good against my board, clearly good against their board, a ton of offensive investment for Zach Wilson, which is why, if this misses,

this is a watershed draft for Joe Douglas. The offense is built in his image. The starting quarterback, running back, all three receivers, all five. offensive lineman and tight end are all Joe Douglas acquisitions.

He built this entire starting offensive roster. Defense is still like a little CJ Mosley over here, like whatever. But in general, defense also has a lot of his players too. Quinn Williams, John Franklin Myers, okay, like they got some guys who are mainstays. But on the offensive side of the ball, Joe Douglas built this whole thing. And the head coach is not an offensive head coach. Robert Sala is a defensive coach. So they very clearly decided, Sala can make it.

work with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, that's a bad way of saying it, but solid can make it work on the defensive side of the ball. We need to invest heavy in money, heavy in picks on offense. So if the quarterback doesn't work, which Zach Wilson is decisively not the quarterback, I would have taken it to last year. And if the guys around the quarterback don't work, it there is one dude who is at fault. It is Joe Douglas. That, a lot of chips right now. And that's the right way to GM. This is the right way to go about it. exactly what Joe Douglas did, I would have done. I don't think he has done anything wrong here in this draft.

It is just that he's had three years. And every Jets fan is like, wow, he did such a good job in the Jamal Adams trade. Yeah, he did. But if you ain't doing nothing with those first round picks, it doesn't matter. If those first round picks don't become good players, what are we talking about? Value in trades is not interesting to me unless good players get on the football field. And so this draft here is the watershed draft. Somebody had it floating around.

I wish I bookmarked it, but there was a tweet that was like, how much cashed, does each team in this draft, like historically, since 99, like the most capital of a draft. And the draft's for like 14th of teams last like 20 years in terms of a draft they entered capital with. And they had like a Debo Samuel trade maybe. And they had like the McCoy-Bectin situation. There was a lot on the last three days for Joe Douglas. I think he killed it. But if he didn't, this could be a death knell because it means they go right from Sam Darnold to Zach Wilson and their back at square one.

And that's very hard for GMs to survive that. go back and look at the history of GMs who draft a first round quarterback, who does not have a winning record in his first three years. It is not good. Those guys do not survive. So this is the draft for Joe Douglas. Watershed moment. I think he did well,

but he gets on the hot seat if this doesn't work. Only time will tell. Well, and you can clearly see that he's doing everything in his power to make Zach Wilson not a bust, right? Like if you look at the Jets' offensive drops a few years ago, it was like Frank Gore, Jameson Crowder, Denzel, Mims. It's completely different now. He has three brand new wide receivers,

kind of a revamp offensive line. They took a good running back. Didn't they bring back to Evan Coleman? Yeah, I think they did. This is the key right here. This is the right way to do it. He is doing his job the right way. Because when you get the young quarterback,

you shove the chips to the middle and you either start winning football games or get fired. And if you're on a build a contender, this is how you got to do it. It's just what's always a joke. Number one job as a GM is job security. And Joe Douglas is saying,

no, my number one job is to go win football games. And he is putting a lot of drafts capital and a lot of his tenure on the line to make this offense work around Zach Wilson and with Zach Wilson who he picked. So chips in the middle of the table. Let's flip the cards. Let's run a river and let's see what comes up. DK., which GM could be on the hot seat this year after this draft? I mean, I think the low-hanging fruit here is Trent Balke. Um, you know, obviously if Trevon Walker doesn't work out or more importantly if like Hutchinson or Tibado turn into like superstars in the league and apologies if you hear Calvin in the background, he's screaming.

if any of these other pass rushers turn into like massive superstars and Trouin Walker is just like fine. Like that's going to be something, I think, that could potentially be like the final straw that broke the camel's back there in Jacksonville. I can't say that I really loved the Jags draft overall. You know, like I think Devin Lloyd is a fine player. I think Luke Fortner is a fine player, Chad Mumma. I know that Ben really liked him, so that's probably a good value there. They traded up on day three to get Snoop Connor and running back. Like, I don't know, like just none of this really,

it didn't feel like the high impact franchise shifting draft that I was hoping that they would have. So we'll see how it all works out. Of course, this is us judging right now. And maybe Trouin Walker's going to be a superstar and then this is going to look silly. But like, that's just how it feels right now. So I think he's going to be the main guy that I kind of like think about. Also, I mean, as Ben just stated with Joe Douglas and the Jets,

he's doing everything in his power to make Zach Wilson work. It's like fetch. He's trying to make it a thing. Bulkie's not doing a ton to grease the wheels for Lawrence here, right? Like, he's got an injured Travis E.N. and James Robinson at running back. They traded for Christian Kirk, paid him a ton of money, and other than that, he's got Marvin Jones,

Zay Jones, and Evan Ingram. That is the Trevor Lawrence, next Andrew Luck's offense for year two of his career. And along those same lines, so, like, that's actually the other thing I was going to say is it's way too early for Ryan Poles to be on the hot seat because I think he just got the job. So I would assume they're not going to fire.

him immediately, but I wasn't enthused with the Bears draft either. Like, I actually, like, look, I like Tyler Gordon. I like Chacon Brisker. Those are two probably guys that are going to start for this team. But it's like getting alarming. It's like alarming to me. The lack of stuff they're doing for Justin Fields. Like, they're not doing anything for Justin Fields.

They drafted a 25-year-old special teamer maybe. Like, it sounds like they think he's more than that, but he's a 25-year-old receiver who's like also a returner in the third round. and passing up multiple guys, I think that probably could have done better for him. And then, like, I'm just looking at their draft. It's like a bunch of small school guys. They drafted guy from Southern Utah, Miami of Ohio,

San Diego State, no offense, Craig. Damn. Illinois, Southern. Like, I don't know, like, this draft is very underwhelming to me. They traded back about seven times on day three. Not that, like, day three is like the end-all be all, of course. But they traded back multiple times where they could have taken a receiver that I still had rated highly.

Like, for instance, Khalil Shakur, they traded back, and then the bills took Khalil Shakur, who I think would have been perfect on the Bears. And so, like, it just kind of pisses me off what they're doing, honestly. Like, what are you fucking waiting for? There's no urgency to help Justin Fields, it feels like. They didn't do anything in free agency. And then the draft, look, they did improve their defense. I will give them that.

But I am very, very not confident about what they're going to do on offense next year. And it feels like they're going to completely throw Justin Fields. like off track. So that's my rant. He's not getting fired, but I really just am annoyed at what the bears are doing. It's very clear that polls when he was like interviewing for the job

and when he got the job was like, this is a multi-year rebuild. And it's true. It's just you don't want to be in a multi-year rebuild when the rookie quarterback contract clock is ticking. And that is why when it's time to fire Ryan Pace, you fire Ryan Pace. Stop giving like Mike McCaghanit with the Jets

and the freaking jukai polite draft. Stop giving lame duck GMs a draft. It's going to, it throws your entire body clock. Throws your, the body clock of your organization out of rhythm. And it screws you. You need then dice to fall lucky, dice to fall your way in order to get back on the track. Because right now, by the time Poles turns this thing around, let's say he hits on like an average number of things, Fields is looking at his fifth year option. If he's good. It's not where you want to be as a team. There just feels like there's absolutely no urgency to get good players around Justin Fields. Like, what are you waiting for?

They didn't do anything in free agency. I think the free agency is bleeding into this, of course, because they signed a bunch of scrap heap guys, no offense to the scrap heap guys. But they didn't sign any big names at the receiver position. And so, I don't know. It's just like annoying to me. And of course, you know, I don't want to see this situation with Fields because he's already in a bad situation where he comes in.

It's lame duck GM. I'm laid duck coach. They fuck everything up. And then he's having to switch to a new coach, new playbook, new everything, new jargon, whatever, new language. And that, of course, is in history is, like, really set running quarterback's back years when that kind of thing happens. Like, you see, like, quarterbacks who come in and have, like, four different coordinators

in four years. Like, this is where it feels like it's going. So it's just, like, ugh, it bothers me. Yeah, it's hard to pick five offenses who look like they're going to have a word year than the Bears. So in addition to drafting Velas Jones Jr., they drafted Tristan Ebner, Tristan Imner, running back from Baylor, who is also a return guy, special teamer. So almost like there's a lot of return guys available on day three, brother. A lot of them. They did more for special teams than they did for their offense and their first round quarterback. It's just like, it's like,

what you guys doing? Anyway. All right. Well, before we get out of here, we have to mention that Matt Arisa punt god San Diego State got snubbed. He was the third. third punter taken off the board. It lands in Buffalo. P3. P3. This is exactly what he needs, though. He's the Josh Allen of punters.

I find it's a perfect cop. Okay. Everybody stopped. Odell Beckham Jr. just said breaking news at 19 problems, which is Debo Samuel, to the Patriots. What the fuck?

Are you kidding me? Odell tweeted this out. After yesterday sending what is my favorite tweet of the year, which is just got the T from at 19 problems, Debo Samuel, should I spill? which is the exact sort of nonsense I would get into if NFL players talk to me, by the way.

I don't... Is this DBO update? I don't say anything everything we said about the Patriots from earlier? They were just like messing around because they knew they're getting DBO.

The next three minutes of the show are going to be us refreshing Twitter. I have Twitter search to Dbo Samuel. Tom Pelliserro, this dot, dot, dot, is not true, period. Carry on, period. shoot.

Tom! Come on, Tommy. Killjoy. Tom. That's too bad. Yeah, I hope Odell fights Tom Pillis every next time he sees him. All right, well, that'll do it. Thank you, Ben.

Thank you, D.K. Sorry to everybody for getting your hopes up that Debo might be going to the Patriots. Sorry, New England fans. Thank you, Carlos, for producing this episode. Yeah. And thank you, Lauren. Thank you, Lauren. Thank you, L. Dre.

Thank you, L. Dre. Craig. Greg, do you like lofi? Do you like lofi music? Yeah. I don't think, who doesn't, right? I mean, it's like so soothing, right? Yeah.

Like, I've been using it. I've been listening to it like while I've been writing all weekend. And it's just like really chill. A lot of good YouTube, you know, lofi playlists out there. I just recently discovered that. I started following skateboarders on Instagram. Because I skated when I was like in middle school. So like I'm reliving my, my childhood through these guys that are just like ridiculously

freakishly good at skateboarding when they're like 13 years old. What was your, what was your, like, favorite skateboard brand? Back then? Oh, I don't even know. Like Birdhouse, like Tony Hawk's thing, Birdhouse. Yeah. I was, like, Tony Hawk was still pretty old, even when I was growing up. Like, Tony Hawk has been around forever.

Like, Roddy Mullen was big when I was growing up. I used to like Bucky Lassick. I thought he was cool when I played Tony Hawk. Oh, wow, yeah, yeah. Bam Margera was a skater when I was in middle school, and then he turned into, like, the, you know, the jackass thing. Yeah. He had that show, Viva La Bam.

So anyways, I can't remember, honestly. It's been so freaking long. Anyways, all right. We'll be back Monday night. Hyvitz will be back. And we'll do one kind of final, big fun, draft recap. We'll put a fun spin on it.

It'll just be 60 minutes on Matt, or I was a hidden, just piss missiles in the Buffalo cold wind. By the way, before we go, wasn't there like multiple games last year where the bills just didn't punt? I think it's hilarious that punted out. What's funny, they punted the least out of any team in football.

Put God. But now they're like, but when we do punt, it's going to go the other side of the field. Amazing. It's like, yeah, we're going to go for it if we're on our own 40. But if we're on our own 30, we will get a touchback out of this punt. We are the best fourth down team ever now because we're either going to go for it and get it or kick it to the other 20.

So win-win. But we talked about this. I can't remember if we was with you guys with somebody else. But like that's the sort of team for whom Araza is valuable. Like Arise was the third punter because he just booed. bombs it and he doesn't have as much to control on shorter kicks. Well, if you are a team that goes for it on fourth down, you don't

need the shorter kicks. You don't care about, can a guy punt from 55 yards out? We ain't never doing it, buddy? It's not our plan. And so, we just want the boomer. We need the boomstick, baby, and Matt Arise has got the boomstick. If they go three and out on their own 20, it's fourth and ten in the playoffs, you bring his ass in and he booms it to the other 20.

Wow. All right, where's the defensive rookie of the year odds from Matt Arise? That's what I'm walking. That's what I'm walking out from this conversation. Is that what he would win? Defensive rookie? What would he win? Defensive. He would? Defensive special teams? I feel like that's more where it gets lopped into. Like his role is inherently defensive. It makes it harder for the other team to score. But he's considered, he's in on offensive plays. Isn't a

punt an offensive play? All because they possess the ball. This is very interesting. We have to bet him for both awards now. Just protect. I don't think has a special teamer ever won a rookie of the year? Not even remotely close. And they never will, but it would be funny. All right, we will see you Monday. Goodbye.