The Ringer NFL Show - Divisional-Round Winners and Losers

Episode Date: January 23, 2023

We recap the NFL's divisional round by giving out our awards for biggest winners and losers, starting off with Dak Prescott's inexcusable game in another playoff loss to the 49ers, the need for the Bills to acquire more talent after a poor showing in a loss to the Bengals, the Eagles' dominance against the Giants, and the massive impact of Patrick Mahomes’s injury that overshadowed the Chiefs' victory over the Jags. Also, we debate who was the true no. 1 overall winner from this weekend. Email us! [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz and Danny Kelly Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Jessie Lopez Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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But we have our producer Jesse Lopez here, who is a 49ers fan. We're doing our divisional round weekend awards. And there is only one place to start. this just happened minutes ago the Dallas Cowboys did the same thing as last year. A year ago, they ran out the clock. Yeah. Spiritually, it was the same thing. No, it was the same thing.

A year ago, they were down and touched under the Niners, and they got the ball back with three minutes. They couldn't do anything. They punted. They got the ball back, and they just embarrassed themselves. Last year, it was they ran out the clock. That could 19 seconds sneak could do it. So what just happened? So Dalton Shultz

was so nonchalantly catching it. Oh my God. They didn't even bother but a foot in. And then what was that last play? It was the funniest thing I've ever seen. They do that Zeke at center. They can't even, they take a time out.

And then it doesn't, I don't even know what to say. A lot to unpack here. First of all, let's get Jesse's reaction. Then we're going to go into each and every one of those things that you just said high fits.

Jesse, how you feel it? Oh, I am excited. That's best. That game, so it was a lot. lot more closer than I thought it was going to be. It was a lot more, and it was a good game if you're just looking at that angle. But, oh, boy, did that ending just put the icing on the cake, especially with the exact,

is how it ended, too, was that tackle by Jimmy Ward. Like, it was perfect. It was a cherry on top. That was phenomenal. What was that play? First of all, I'm sure there was some theoretical thing of like, well, if Zinc is at center, then the balances, the formations balance, blah, blah, blah, blah, one, declaring you're running back ineligible.

So were they going to do like a hook and ladder? the fact that the Niners took a timeout and they were like, dude, just like knocks Zika on his ass. That was bizarre because, and I think it was, the idea was like,

get these linemen downfield and like blocking and stuff, but my God, it just didn't go well. It was like spiritually the exact same as, like you said, last year where they just ran out

the clock, but then also that Indianapolis play from years ago where they just like that one guy. I don't forget what they call it, but, my God, that was crazy.

Jesse's wearing the kiddle hat, that kiddle catch is going to go down. That was insane. Insane. That was a great catch. And then the Trevon Diggs dropped too because Diggs dropped that pick

that was right in his gut and that would have changed the whole game too. I mean, in his defense, it was tipped and so I think it was a little bit and he wasn't really expecting it so it wasn't like, I wouldn't say it was like a pure,

pure drop, but it was bad. It was a bad. It's not a pure drop. He's going to be thinking about it every night for the next year. But like this game, you know what,

forget, I can't get over that last thing. So they, when I started, laughing when Greg Olson was like, Mike McCarthy clearly spent a lot of time working up this thing. I'm like, oh my God, the fact that Mike McCarthy had actually thought this much

about how to run this lateral play, what's worse? If you come up with the Zeke thing, like, kind of haphazardly and you're just like, let's try it and it's a failure, or like spending actual time to try and make that play work, and then you do it and they just immediately get tackled,

and you don't even get to do a lateral at all. There was a lot of things about the way that the Cowboys ended this game that just drive me nuts. First of all, I mean, I don't even know where to start. The first place is them punting when they had that drive go right just before the two minute warning. And then they took a really long time to punt the ball, wasted like a bunch of time there.

And then it was just like one thing after another. They get the ball back, which is great. The Dalton Schultz thing, if I'm a Cowboys fan, I am livid at that. He's just like nonchalot. He's out for a walk on the promenade. He's just like chilling. He catches a ball.

He gets knocked out of bounds backwards because he just didn't really finish the play. Just stopped running. And therefore the clock kept running. That cost them like probably 20 seconds of crucial, crucial time. And then the next, I don't know how many plays it was. Later, he catches a ball,

just has one foot in bounds and like leaps out of bounds essentially after only having one foot down. Oh my God. I would just be livid if I was a Cowboys fan right now. If I'm Dak Prescott, I would literally cut Dalton Shultz a check for $1 million. Because the fact that Cowboys fans, they're going to spend more than 10 seconds being mad at Dalton Shultz,

which, yes, he had a brain for it. Guess what? The Cowboys are going to lose this game, whether he catches that ball or not. It's just a yard line. It was going to fail at. It's like they were going to lose the game. Jack Prescott is the loser of this game.

He's the loser. You could argue to me of the playoffs. Dak, I have defended Dak throughout the season. Craig has taken the Bill Simmons route of like, Dak is just Kirk Cousins with better PR. I have defended him.

Stephen Reese's defendant. This was an indefensible game for Dak Prescott. He did every Cardinal sin. He stared receivers down and threw picks. He just did, blindly decided we was going to throw the ball before the snap picks.

Also, he should have thrown a pick six on that first play of that drive. And the trade Greenlaw just dropped it because it was too easy. He should have taken a sack in the final three minutes. He almost took a sack in a safety on that drive. And then Eric Armstead, the Niners defensive lineman, Jesse Harris, he thought is. Eric Armstead seemed so shocked that Dax still had the ball. Eric Armstrongstead is a defensive tackle.

He is humongous. It's like six, seven. I don't know how he didn't just wrap, rap him, bear hug him. It obviously wasn't a physical problem because he's huge. I genuinely think why. my first thought was Eric Armstead was so focused on not committing, roughing the passer against Dak. Maybe.

Then he looked down and saw Dak had the ball and he had no idea what to do. He was like, why do you still have this? Like, Jack, it is brain broke. Like he was so pushed him out of the batting him. He turned it off. He couldn't turn it back on. And Dak was like, whoa, I got out of that one. Like, it's like he ran through an intersection.

Jack was like, wow, can't believe I'd get deboned. I can't like, but he followed that. he took the sack on third like dack the first half alone the two picks he threw were abysmal in the first half like still like the michael he threw one to michael gallop didn't finish the route that was a pick and then he also had that crazy brain fart we stared it down but then to end it the way this ending i don't know dk i'm with you yeah i mean i'm just curious like dac in this game i actually feel like this will now follow dac the rest of his career that he just brain farts in the playoffs and i actually think it's deserved now it's not a

hot take anymore of anything i gave him too much credit like This was one of the worst performance of his career, and he had one again in Week 18. I know. I'm with you because I came into this game, and I have throughout the year, kind of been in Dax's corner. I think he's a really good quarterback. I think he's cerebral and does a lot of things, the small things that people don't really appreciate.

But this game was just really tough. It was really bad. Like you said, that one pick, I think it was the second pick where he just stared at the guy down going across the field. The other guy peeled off of his route and just stepped in front of it. Like, that was really tough. He almost had that pick six to,

at the very end of the game. He just didn't look comfortable. And granted, the 49ers front line will make guys feel uncomfortable, I think, and that's a big part of it. But, yeah. That's not a kid. He's like in his 30s. The offseason is not going to be kind to this 49ers team.

By the way, which has like a million free agents. Sorry, he's 29. This is an inflection point for the 49ers going into this offseason. So really tough loss for them. And congrats to the 49ers who, despite all the, like, the fuck up, from the Cowboys barely won. I think it was just like they were played so conservatively.

Just like, basically they just took this strategy where we have a lead and we're just gonna play really conservative and like try and hold onto this league because we trust our defense. Yeah, Jesse, how do you feel, now you have to play the Philadelphia Eagles. How do you feel right now your mix of joy of winning versus how you feel in your neck going forward?

I'm joyful now because I live in the moment. I enjoy this now, but I'm actually really excited to see next week's game because, you know, that Philly offense has been talked about nonstop. It's like the perfect

number one defense, number one offense. I'm really excited just to see how this is going to turn out. I mean, what D.K. said was right. They just went into what they normally do, which is to get a lead and protect it.

I mean, the defense won the game to be 100% honest because you don't win that game with the defense playing the way they did. Like, the Cowboys will eventually have gotten one or two of their earlier drives off.

Like the defense just, stepped up and said, we'll handle it, Brock. Don't worry. You can play as terrible as you were, as basic as you were, and we got this. But also, I noticed that, I never look at the box person. I don't know how the truth is or not, but just watching it, I noticed that the players didn't get a lot of, like, yak yards. Like, I noticed that they got wrapped up really quickly, and that's, you know,

that's a big part of the 49ers' offense is getting those yak yards. And that was kind of, that was hurting them at the beginning, is that they couldn't kind of pull away and just, you know, I think that kiddle catch just had all the magic enough for them to just push them over. Just like he tipped it off of his own face mask. Dude, these defense has played incredible. Like if you're the Cowboys defense, how mad are you that you like, I mean, first of all, never mind the fact that DAC threw two picks and that the Niners still went in a half time with what?

Three point league? Nine points. Nine six. And but like the Dallas defense was incredible. That will be forgotten. But they were unreal. The 49ers defense in this game. I mean, Fred Warner, you know, he's all.

bro, I think he went up a level in terms of fame. I think that people like, he went from a film nerd guy to like, you know, like the Dark Horse guy. I feel like now he just, after this game will be household name accepted as the best linebacker in football, which has been for years. Aaron Rogers said that to him like three years ago, I think. But I think that play where Fred Warner was faking, blitzing up the center and then just ran back and just covered Cidly Lamb in the slot, even though Dax should have thrown to

T.Y. Hilton, whatever. The fact that he covered C.D. Lamb like that was pretty nice. That was like, I feel like, one of the best plays of his career. That was crazy. He's just a linebacker covering the best receiver on the other team. He was like another guy that they drafted earlier. I think it was like a third or fourth round pick that they just scouted and developed him. And it goes to show that they, the 49ers know the players they want and they draft really well,

which is how they've been able to maintain, you know, the success that they have. Yeah, yeah. They've extended their, like, Super Bowl window because of that, because of their ability to, like, find those guys. I mean, Brock Purdy, too, like, seventh rounder. So to the flip side, what's the Brock Purdy check in, DK? Like, how did you feel Brock Purdy played? Look, Dallas was obviously the best defense he played in this stretch.

He's still undefeated. This was a defensive slug fest. He didn't play great. I mean, he wasn't bad. He could have gotten picked a couple of times, but so, I mean, Dak got picked a couple times. This was definitely just a defensive slug fest. I would not put this win on Brock Purdy.

Dak made the throws. I was worried Purdy was going to make in this game. Yeah. I did see that the throw. The big throw to kiddle was not, he said that that was not like a progression thing. It was like an out of structure, improvisational throw. Like it wasn't accurate necessarily,

but like that was a huge, huge play in this game. And that's kind of the type of thing that Purdy has given them that, you know, out of structure, just a little bit of, you know, magic, I guess, that he's given them over the last few years, or last few weeks that, you know, Jimmy G doesn't necessarily give them. So credit to him. I mean, obviously, I don't think he had a great game, but he did enough to,

get the win. Jesse, what's your temperature check on Purdy? I mean, everything D.K. said is right. Like, I was worried that this was going to be the game where he was going to kind of get a little bit exposed or he was going to make those mistakes. But, I mean, he didn't make mistakes. There were a couple times where he probably might have gotten intercepted or picked off or something, but he didn't. And that kind of says it all because Jimmy G., if anything, one of those plays would have

gone the other way. Just because he's Jimmy G. Because he's Jimmy G., you know? If anything, this is shown that, like, Jimmy G is who he is, not just a system of Kyle Shanahan's offense. It's like throwing anyone in there, they have some kind of level of success as long as, like, the quarterback knows what to do.

And I think another thing that I think was Greg Olson pointed out in the broadcast is the fact that Brock Purdy was like a four-year quarterback, where he's like, he has that experience where a lot of these top picks, they're like, you know, maybe the third, fourth year, For third year at the most, if they're redshirted their freshman year, like, they come out of their sophomore years and, you know, who knows how many actual, like, big game level experience they had were Brock Bertie just, he's had it before, like, and not as big of a stage,

but he's had that opportunity to play in, like, big level games before, even at a smaller stage. It's ironic, like, contrast to Trey Lance, because Trey Lance, that was, like, the big talking point for him coming into the league was, I mean, he'd only thrown, like, 300-something passes or some, you know, and it's, like, college career. And so just that lack of experience. Of course, he played in the SCS,

and so he's like lower, you know, lower level of competition too. So like there's all these variables working against him. And so that's a great point with the Brock Pretty. Basically, he's just like getting those live reps, man. It's like you can't replace that really. And that's why, you know, we were talking about this on the draft show the other day, like some of these guys that go back for their fifth or six year and they come out into the NFL

and they're like 24 years old, I don't necessarily think it's always bad for those guys. And so maybe we see more of that going forward. But yeah, Brooke Pretty, I mean, he played fine. He did a good job. I also want to have another one last winner for this game is Brett Marr. Because if you had told me at halftime that we would have gone this far into this conversation without blaming Brett Mar for anything that's incredible. I think Dak, Donald Schultz took the heat off the guy.

Big win for Brett Mar today. That was, I was starting to really feel bad. Like he was about to shake the hell out of it or hook it or whatever it was. He was like he pulled it way to the left. It got blocked. He's the first time the kickers ever been like, thank God. they blocked that kick. Oh my God, dude.

He was sweating bullets out there. Like, you could see, I could, like, it was tangible, just the stress in his eyes when they would, like, zoom in on him when he's getting ready for ever the kicks. Like, I was like, oh, my God, I can't even watch. This is, like, watching a train wreck. Dude, you know, every time I bring up my girlfriend, you guys are like, flex, flex, flex. I felt that when the Niners brought out Robbie Gold for, like, a 40-yard field goal.

It was like, oh, man, what a flex with this field goal attempt. Dude, they were talking to. During the pregame, all these reporters were watching the pregame warmups, and Brett Maher was like shanking the hell out of kicks. He was like really shaky. They had, what's his face? He came down on the field, their owner. I'm blanking on his name for some reason.

He's like the most famous person. Jerry Jones. Yeah, Jerry Jones. He came down and gave him a freaking pep top before the game. Like, that's normal. What are we doing here? Can you imagine if like Daniel Eck who runs Spotify came and gave us a prep, a pep talk before a podcast?

He's like, because we were doing terribly. If you don't make this kick, I'm going to murder you. Like, Jesus. What did he even say? It makes you feel better. Oh, my God. It's like, I run this $7 billion company you work for. Let me tell you.

Don't worry about it. Sure, it was super inspirational. Immediately just, like, missed. But, yeah. He got two later. Got off it. Oh, my God. Jerry said he was exonerated after the game.

I mean, my God, he's talking like he's committing crimes. Dalton Shultz is just going to be the whipping boy for a now on. Don't Shultz drops a beating league's passing about all this is going to be forgotten. Dude, so he's going to be a free agent, right? Like, he's going into the soft season. He's a free agent. Do you guys remember that Packers' tight end that went off script against the Seahawks in the NFC championship game and tried to catch an onside kick and missed it?

And then that was like the last we'd ever heard of him. I'm not saying Donald Schultz is on this level, but like, is he just going to get completely shunned from NFL society after this because of this play? honestly no because Jerry's different than every team. Jerry doesn't, I mean, Jerry's going to kick. Jerry already said McCarthy's safe. I think Jerry's already defended Brett Morris. He already said this?

Oh, my God. Oh, yeah, that's how it works. Is Mike McCarthy takes all the blame, and then Jerry is like, you take all the blame and then I'll defend you. He's like Roger Goodell for the Cowboys. Yeah, actually, yeah, McCarthy's the Cowboys Goodell. He gets all the blame and that's how he keeps his job. Yeah, it's exactly it, actually.

That's why Jerry Jones is smart. He's got two Goodell. He's got Goodell and he's got Mike McCartman. Jason Garrett. That's the thing. It's like, anyway. Wow. What a game.

49ers win. Cowboys, Dej have no tons of flat circle. Jesse, thank you for joining us. Congratulations. Thank you. Woo-hoo. Bo-9ers. Let's just go through these games backward.

Let's do the other game that happened to a Bengals bills. Obviously, first winners, Joe Burrow and the Bengals. Oh, my God. Craig wanted to, Craig was texting us today and wanted to make sure that I made it clear that I was an absolute Bengals hater in August. Not really. I just thought that, you know, they wouldn't make this immaculate run to the Super Bowl again where they gave up 19 sacks.

and, you know, made a Super Bowl run and it was like, maybe they wouldn't be the healthiest team in the NFL again. Maybe that wouldn't happen. Guess what? They aren't the healthiest team in the NFL. They lost three offensive linemen under this game. Didn't matter.

Didn't matter. They were way better. Joe Burrough, Tony Romo's bending over backward to say Joe Burroughs, Peyton Manning during this game, calling plays. The Bengals ran over the bills in the running game and got whatever they wanted pass in the ball. This was crazy.

I don't know what you, I'm curious what you thought. The Bengals at 31st downs on almost 70 plays in this game. Yeah. I mean, it's an incredible performance. Honestly, and get this out of the way because I'm not taking anything away from the Bengals, but the Bill's defense looked terrible. I mean, especially in the first half, they were, they had, it felt like they were not wearing cleats and everyone on the Bengals was wearing cleats. They were just slower.

That's actually good way put it. They were like the Bengals were wide open on every play. It was insane. Now, credit goes to Burrow because he did really well, especially considering there's, they had lost like three starters on the offensive. line. I saw this stat from Sam Hoppin. His average time to throw was 2.5 seconds, which is half a second faster than his

season average or whatever. So he was like getting rid of the ball so quickly in this game. That was a huge variable, a huge factor in this. And that was something that we talked about with him going back to when he came into league. He's just like a really good processor. Like spread him out. I want to find the open guy. I'm going to get rid of the football and I just know where to go at any given

time. So he looked awesome. But it wasn't just that. I think the Bengals did actually keep some wrinkles in their playbook to themselves at the last month because they played the Ravens twice. And I think that they actually maybe got a little too cute. Just like the surprise them. So the Bengals kept doing this one thing where they would motion Jamar Chase. And I think it's called the satellite or orbit or something.

But the point is Jamar Chase would just line up wide and he just run behind Mixon and Burrow when he was in shotgun. And then they'd hand the ball to Mixon and he'd run the other way. Like he'd run in the opposite direction from Jamar Chase. And I feel like Mixon running left and Jamar Chase running right literally like tore the bills defense assembly every time. It was incredible. Like the Bengals running out of shotgun on first and 10, four first downs,

like five times is incredible. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, they just didn't have an answer. And their center got hurt during the game. And they're just ripping off nine-yard runs every time. It's crazy, man.

Joe Burrow, I mean, it didn't even look like he was trying. I think that's like part of the thing about Burrow that makes him so cool and it makes them, like people gravitate to him. It's just like he's so smooth. It doesn't really look like he's,

trying all that hard. He just kind of like picks the defense part and then just goes about his day. Well, we were texting about what would be the coolest Super Bowl matchup. And I think, at least I, I don't know if we all did, but we landed on Bengals Eagles, at least quarterback wise, because Burrow and Hertz share that common trait of greatness in that there is like a Raphael Nadal kind of greatness where you're elite, you're at the best of the best of the best, and it looks like you're trying really fucking hard. And then there's the Roger Federer School of Greatness where you maybe you're the best person never do this,

but it looks like you're warming up. Like, you don't look actually like you're sweating or ever have. That's a great comp. That's a really good comp. He's just like, I'll just return it to you. It's no big deal.

Like, I'm just going to hit like the most amazing, like I'm going to hit like a background that David Foster Wallace will write a New York Times column about it. But like I don't even like I'm trying. Jalen Hertz doesn't look like he's trying. And Joe Burrow honestly also doesn't ever. And it would be cool if they were both playing.

But in this game, the Bengals are incredible. Nate Tice, Your buddy always points out that Jamar Chase never gets tackled by the first person. That's true. That was true in this game. The Bengals didn't do anything wrong. And their defense was incredible, too.

Like, they shut down the bills. Yeah. My other, so, like, that was, the winner is Joe Burrow in this game. Obviously, the Bills. They're sorry, the Bengals. But, like, the Bills, to me, it was a very strong contrast because the Bengals are, like, they have incredible talent in the skill positions. They've got Jamar Chase.

They've got T. Higgins. They've got Tyler Boyd, who's like a really, really good skill, like, veteran just role player. Even Hayden Hurst has been like really good over the last few weeks and he kind of came up big in this game, made a couple big plays. Their talent is such a contrast, their depth of talent is such a contrast to the bills. And so I'm giving the loser award for this game to Brand being the GM of the bills. The bills just clearly need more talent.

They have Stefan Diggs and then sort of just a bunch of guys on offense. You know what I mean? Like they don't have different. You know what I think sums up the bills in a sentence is that the bills like, needed Cole Beasley in this game, who was a free agent, made way through the year. While the Giants' best receiver in the playoffs

was Isaiah Hodgins, who like, was on the Bill's practice squad. It's like, the bills really could have used Isaiah Hodgins this month. The thing that makes me most mad and maybe, like, I don't see what's happening at practice, I don't know what the hell's going on. But every time Khalil Shakur, like,

gets a target, it looks like he makes a big play. And I don't understand why he wasn't playing more. Like the Hodgins thing, I think is a great point. They just let him go. And then they've got, you know, like Gabriel Davis, We were on him in a fantasy world, like this year, he was disappointing, and he had a big drop in this game that could have been a huge play for that. He just hasn't really showed up this year like we thought he would.

And honestly, I just think that's part of the reason. I mean, obviously, Josh Allen is who he is. But part of the reason he has to go play hero ball, and I feel like he's doing too much constantly, is because he doesn't have enough help around him. That's why Joe Burrow, on the other side, is just like playing pitch and catch with these all-pro, like, receivers. and on the other side you have Josh Allen trying to like put the team on his back and like carry this.

It's just that, you know, their run game hasn't been that good. You know, Devon Singletarian and James Cook are like they're fine. They're not like difference makers, I'd say at least not yet for James Cook. And, you know, Doss and Knox, he's okay. But like their talent is just not, they're not difference makers. And I think that matters in a game like this. I think that that's a really good way to put it because Diggs and Chase, I mean, Chase is probably better than Diggs, but they're both like A1 alpha receivers.

but then after that you've got T. Higgins and the Bengals who probably would be like a lower end number one receiver on a lot of other teams. And then Tyler Boyd, who's an excellent slot. And then you've got Hayden Hurst slot again as like their fourth option. And Trent and Irwin, fifth, actually having a solid game. Then the Bills, it stays.

And then mixing. We didn't even mention mixing. Yeah, I know mixing. But then the bills, it's like Gabe Dave's second, but like he can't catch very well. That's your number two receiver. Then like their Tyler Boyd is Beasley, who was a free agent and retired basically.

like this team isn't and but you mix that with they don't have a great offensive line Josh Allen's still their best running back it's like you know Devin Singletary James Cook were inspiring they still couldn't run the ball like the fact that the Bengals not the bills became the team to be able to run out of shotgun like that's just kind of indefensible and then their defensive line they signed von Miller he's hurt they couldn't pass Rush toboro at all while Josh Allen it was like he was like Han Solo going through the asteroid field like you just

there's so many bangles just flying at him it just I think you're totally right um just for the bills, and also not to get all sappy, the Damar Hamlin, the moment of this game, honestly, that to me felt like, okay, like God, again, is that you? Like, what you go up to God? Was when the Bengals had the ball,

third and goal at the five, and then they cut the cameras to Damar Hamlin. He's up in the press box. Yeah, he's in the suite, and he's making a heart, yeah, he's making a heart with his hand, sorry, over his heart. And to say the obvious out loud,

his heart stopped during this game three weeks ago, and he's alive, up in the suite, watching this game, and then he's, like, moving his arms up and down, like get loud, get loud, get loud. It looks like he's making a snow angel in the sky because there's so much snow falling. And then the crowd actually gets the Bengals to false start and go to third and 10, and you're like, okay, oh my God,

this is pretty crazy. Like, this is a moment. Like, maybe their bills are going to win this game. And the Bengals just go and they get that Jamar Chase touchdown. I know it was overturned. I don't care. It was an amazing catch. That was the point, though, is that this is like a storybook for the bills, like, oh, like we're playing for Demar and they go and went, everything was for the bills to win.

And the Bengals just went out and just dominated them in every facet of the game in a way that they didn't even dominate the Ravens with Tyler Huntley or Anthony Brown like this. This was an ass kicking. It was interesting. Yeah, it's like they jumped out to early lead and then they just didn't look back. It was like, you know, they just controlled the game, like you said. It was just they absolutely dominated it. So to me, and this is another sort of cliche, I guess, but they're getting hot at the right time.

You know what I mean? Like, they are clicking. They're firing on all cylinders. And that's so important at this time of year. It's clear to me that the Bengals and the Eagles look like the best teams this weekend. It's not even remotely close. Yeah, I agree.

Man, to me, that's like the ideal. I told you guys, I think that's the ideal Super Bowl matchup, but we'll see what happens next week. But just because Mahomes is hurt, which we'll get to. Yeah, we'll get to that. I don't want to just say, I know Bill's fans are upset, obviously, because, you know, they were the Super Bowl favorites of the preseason. I will say, as Hamlin being up there, I was like, yeah, this season could have gone better. Season also could have gone worse.

I think that the Bills got their big win of the season. You know what I mean? No doubt. No doubt. I mean, I'm sure it was very emotionally taxing. I mean, I just can't even imagine what they've gone through. Matt Milano, the linebacker for the Bills, said that they were flat in this game. He said he felt the team's flat.

Obviously, it seems nuts, right? Hamlin's in the locker room before the game, he's in the locker room and a half time. I actually think that sometimes is actually a problem. Like adrenaline, like it's a real thing. Adrenaline wears off after 20 minutes. Their nerves were afraid, I would imagine. Just, you know, it's tough. I do definitely feel for them.

And I love, the bills are so easy to root for. Like, Josh Allen's awesome. So, you know, Stefan Diggs, love him. Obviously, this whole Hamelin situation has been making them such a team to root for, but they just looked out match in this game. Well, not just that. They look boring. The bills aren't supposed to be boring.

Yeah. They were just, they were not fun to watch. At the very least, the bill's supposed to be a fun tape to watch. There was nothing fun about the bills today. It was just too bad. I mean, credit also, we didn't mention, but Lou Anarum, Rumo, you know, did he just the amazing job, too. Like, he is one of those guys that sort of flies under the radar.

But this, this, this Bengals defense has been really good. The Bengals coaching staff, the Glansbergs of the last two Cs, Zach Taylor gets credit. Totally. We haven't given Lou Annamo credit for Zach Dillard. They're the Glensburgs. Only four teams are left, but there's still time to get in on the action in a Fandall fantasy contest. If you're new to fantasy, there's no better time to join Fandle because right now new customers can get a $10 bonus and a free entry. Just play any contest of $1 or more, and you'll get a $10 bonus plus a free entry.

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So get it on the action with a $10 bonus and a free entry when you play a contest of $1 or more. Fandall make every moment more. All right, Giant Seagles. Yeah, tell me how you're feeling about this, Hyphitz. Well, I think I'm the first loser here. I mean, this is tough situation, tough game. This was, you know, I actually, what was even the final score of this game?

I mean, the final score, Giants, Eagles, I paid to be it, 38 to 10. You know, they, or 38 to 7. It wasn't even that close, yeah. You know what, you know what they say that a tsunami doesn't actually look like a wave coming up? It actually just, because the actual tectonic plates are moving, the whole sky just becomes water. I didn't know that, but that is true. That was this game. It wasn't a wave.

It was the entire sky just became. the ocean and then it was over. Like this was, my brother came over because him and his wife came up for the first game and we all sat in the same seats and I re-imbrated for him. He left at half time. It was like, I've never had less.

And his wife was like, but the Jaguars came back. Like it's not over. My brother just looked at each other and we're like, good season. No, come on. So the Eagles went up 28 to nothing in the first half. What do we even say about this game? I guess the one thing is, from the Eagles point of view,

it's good that they looked dominant. Because they had been playing sort of, I don't know, like, I don't know what the right word is. They just hadn't been clicking. Like they had it early in the season the last few weeks. Obviously, Jalen Hertz being hurt has a big part of that. And he's still apparently not 100%, but he looked really sharp.

Obviously, I think the Eagles talent really, really shine through here. This is just an insanely talented team. Howie Roseman, I think, is a good winner for this one because he has built what is just an absurdly talented and deep roster. and Hyvitz, you tweeted this during the game, but it was like, one of their offensive linemen, Dickerson, I think who was

a second rounder, he got hurt and was replaced by a first rounder that they had, Andre Dillard, who came in. They just have a backup first round tackle to fill it and guard. I'm like, what the fuck? It's not like Dillard is like as good as like a first round offensive lineman should be, but like this is

just like kind of how, this is how it goes. You have a first rounder coming in to replace a guy who gets hurt. And then like, I don't know, man, they just have so much. much talent across the board, so much talent on offense. The guy like Kenny Gainwell comes in and like looks awesome

and he's like not there. Boston Scott, that's like 11 touchdowns. Boston Scott has 11 touchdowns against the Giants of nine games. I, I, oh, I should have had this up. I think Boston Scott has cracked like the top eight for people with rushing touchdowns against the Giants ever. Ever. Most rushing touchdowns by any

player in their career against the New York Giants. Emmett Smith. Yeah. Leroy Kelly, Jim Brown, Larry Brown, Ezekiel Elliott, and the Boston Scott. I love it. Boston Scott, like 10 games. It's amazing.

By the way, did it feel to you like Nick Siriani was drunk in this game? I feel like he was maybe like tailgating outside the stadium or is that Patty's Pub or something before the game pre-funking. He was absolutely on one in this entire game. He was feeling itself. I actually think Siriani is the big winner of this game. You know the Eagles fans? Like, you know, because this Eagles game was at 8 at Eastern so that the parking lots didn't open

until like noon. But there was a loophole that there was like a lacrosse game at one of the other arenas next door. So that all the Eagles fans bought tickets to this lacrosse game and then just started tailgating at 9 in the morning. I think Eric Seriani was doing that morning. He saw him on the sideline when he was yelling at the,

some ref was telling me to get back. And he's like, I know what the fuck I'm doing. And I am allowed to be here. First of all, he had his beat. I don't know if this is how he does it every week. So, you know, whatever, whatever. But, like, he had his beney down, like, literally almost covering his eyes. He was, like, try to be, like, super hard.

He was making faces and, like, dancing in the camera as they were, like, going to commercial. He was talking shit to the rest. He was, like, yelling at him. He goes, I know what the fuck I'm doing. I could be down here if I want. And then after the game in, like, the celebration he was wearing C. C.J. Gardner Johnson's chain in a locker. He was wild and out.

He was just like, he was having the best time ever. I've never seen a coach having, like, feeling himself more on sideline that game. Do you remember when I said last week or two weeks ago that Brian Dable, more than any coach in football history, would look most at home in the upper deck chugging like a tall boy. I actually think Nick Seria, among the many injustices of the Eagles committed with the Giants. I think Nixiriani would have looked really at home in the upper deck of them. A hundred percent.

A hundred percent. I love that idea. It was like a fan had won. under down. I will say also, remember Nick Seriani, like his first year we were making fun of him

because he like was playing like rock paper scissors with guys at the combine to test their competitive so we're like, what an idiot. Now it's like they have the act

overwhelming best team in the NFC. Well, do you remember his like introductory press conference? It was like a disaster. But yeah, I mean, again, like,

you know what in retrospect wasn't Belichicks too? From now on, we should keep in mind that the better your press conference. Yeah, the worst should probably are

as a coach, the better your press causes. Why have you practiced that? Yeah, the Eagles, we're going to talk about them all week, obviously, like they're incredible, but overall, like this giant season, I still think the Giants are going to extend Daniel Jones. I don't know, I'm not objective, but I didn't watch this game. I think Daniel Jones is the problem.

I watched this game, it was like, wow, okay, we have Jones, Sequin, and two first-run tackles, and otherwise we got our guards and centers and receivers at, like, Goodwill. Like, we should fix that. Grocery outlet. Um, yeah, no, I had the same. I mean, like, obviously, Daniel Jones didn't, he didn't elevate a bad offense in this game.

Like, but they were just so incredibly overmatched from the very beginning that it just didn't really seem like it mattered that much. Like, what he was doing. Yeah, they just, you guys didn't have any talent at off on the offensive line. Or sorry, at the receiver position. Like, he was a bunch of like practice squad guys, literally like waiver wire guys. Um, I don't know. It definitely takes a little bit of like the hype from Daniel Jones. you know, good.

I actually think it was a, I've already convinced myself this was a good thing the Giants lost. Yeah. Because I think it was good to prove that this team was good and can outperform their,

like, you know, their coaching can bring them together and got this far. I also think it was good to disillusion themselves, the organization, the fan base, and everyone in America

of how, like, magic dust this roster is. This is an extremely flawed roster. There's a reason this was a throwaway season for the Giants where they were over under win total was like six and a half. Like this was not a good team.

It's like they're kind of magical tanking a little almost. Yeah, $60 million was either dead money or going to Kenny Goliday so we could not fucking play for this team. They cut James Bradbury to save money, who is now like an elite quarterback for the Eagles. And one of the reasons they could win the Super Bowl, they cut him to save $12 million in this game. Like, that's where the Giants were at because they're like,

well, we're not competitive. So this was a reset year. You still extend Daniel Jones because we don't have to get a cap money. and I want to know how much he's going to get per year. Like that's going to be fascinating. I think that the answer actually is kind of simple. I actually think. A little bit more than franchise?

I would say he would probably, I think he could probably get four years somewhere between, I would call it $150 million, maybe $160 million. But we'll see how much that's guaranteed, because the reality is like none of the money matters except the guarantees. It's like, you know, if it's four years for $160 million, but the first two are guaranteed. you know, 80 million guaranteed.

Like, yeah, sure, let's go with that. And that sounds crazy. But, like, that's the going rate, man. I know. That's what it is. It truly does sound crazy, though. It's like... The Falcons just traded Matt Ryan

and took a $40 million dead cap pit to get rid of him and send him to Indianapolis for context. You know what I mean? Like, that's... Yeah. That's... They were literally getting rid of Matt Ryan to have $40 million. So the franchise tag's $30 million for Daniel Jones.

So, like, the floor is $30 million. and then if they tag him, then it's 120% of that. So, you know, the floor is two years for 78, if he does nothing. Right. So, like, why would he accept anything less than 80 million guaranteed?

You know what I mean? And then at that point, it's 40 million a year. And, like, it's just how it is. It's not about value. It's about if I do nothing, you have to pay me $80 million next two years. I can already hear people just freaking the fuck out,

though, when he does sign, like, a huge contract. But I'm actually with you. I thought he played really well this year. relative, especially relative to how he had the previous few years. He cut down on the turnovers, which is a massive deal. He showed that he can be a big part of their run game, which I don't know

if I realized how good of a runner he was until this year. You know what I mean? Well, this is Jason Garrett was the coordinator. That's true. Something I didn't realize, they showed him this is in the game against the Vikings last week. They did like a close-up of him.

I didn't realize he had such a thick neck. He's like a kind of like a thick, muscular guy now. It felt like he really like glowed up this year. I didn't really see where his contacts. I just sure tweeted that like a team falling behind four touchdowns in the first half

and their quarterback is to leave the game to adjust their contacts. It's something you hear about like an awful high school football team. I have contact and I lost my contact one time in a basketball game so that sucked. Like a pickup game or like an organized basketball game? No, like in my high school team in state too.

We're in the state tournament and somebody poked me in the eye and I lost my contact. What year was this? They had, did they invent contacts in the 70s? Alarious. But yeah, that's, that's a tough. Also, wait, yeah, I mentioned the chains. The chains.

The chain broke? That's the only thing I would say the Giants did better than the Eagles is I feel like MetLife Stadium has an extra set of chains. Or at least they have duct tape. They literally had tape on it. I don't, what's worse? Not having the backup chains or not having duct tape and having to use masking tape instead? Masking tape.

that's fucking crazy that they didn't even have good tape. They had to pause the game for like 15 minutes. There's like two commercial works where they fix the freaking chain. They were wrapping Patrick Mahomes's ankle with better tape

than what they actually got to use in the goddamn chains. You know what's so funny is I saw that and I was like, wow, I wonder if that'll decide the game. And of course, with the NFL's luck, there was not a single measurement in that entire game.

There was at no point, like the Giants didn't get up first down. It didn't matter. They could have got rid of the chains. was a one. All right. That sucks. Giants. It's all right. It's easy. Got further than my team did. Last one, Chiefs Jaguars. So we have a winner here. So the Kansas City Chiefs obviously beat the Jaguars. They prevailed 27 to 20. I actually think the Chiefs won this game, but I would say they're a loser because Patrick Bohombs has a high ankle sprain. Right. Pyrick victory, if you will. A what?

Peerick victory. Is that how you say, is that with the Y and the H? Hold on, let me double check. Now I'm second guessing myself. Pyrick, I believe is how you say it.

Let me hold on. Let me. Yeah, PYR, that's one of those words that I've always just nodded, but I've never known what it means. Perik.

Well, I mean, it goes back to like ancient Roman or Spartan times or whatever. It's like basically this guy, Perik, uh, he won a battle,

but he lost so many of his guys that he couldn't like win any more battles after that. That's like the very short. short version of it. It's the Thanos meme of like, but what did it cost? It's like everything. Exactly.

So, yeah, because I mean, obviously Mahomes has a high ankle sprain, which I think for most other players in the NFL is going to sideline you for a month. And he went back in and played. He's planning on playing it sounds like in this next game. He's clearly going to be really hobbled.

And, you know, that takes a lot of the wind out of themselves. I still think they can be a very dangerous team and like a very good team. But, I mean, this is clearly not the same Mahomes now.

I think you text someone texted me because first it was funny that Mahomes, not funny, but you know what I mean. Mahomes was, honestly,

passing looked all right. He just couldn't move in the pocket. But every time he had a run and pivot, if you're spraying drink, I know it's high ankle's different to the sprain. If you're sprained your ankle,

you know, we need to pivot and turn to hand the ball off. You can tell that turning around and pivoting was the problem of his ankle. So he just was fucking hopping

to Isaiah Pacheco. Like he was one hopping to give him the ball. And then someone texted me was like, which rather have, Patrick Mahomes with like a peg leg or Zach Wilson? I was like, I would take Patrick Mahomes with two peg legs over Zach Wilson.

Oh, 100%. But like he was hopped, like he was like just hopping and then he just hop back to the huddle. And I was like, this is the most hopping I've ever seen by a player who stayed in a whole game. Like he could legitimately barely move. I don't understand how has this ever happened where a guy has a high ankle sprained and he kept playing the entire game? I can't remember off the top of my head.

Byron left. I mean a court, obviously like position players do stuff. Byron Lefford's, I think, had a driving college. We broke his leg and, like, ran a two-meditril. And, like, his teammates were carrying him play to play, and he just ran shotgun and didn't. But, like, high- ankle sprain. So the difference is a high-uncle sprain.

I'm not a doctor. I don't know why. But it's like, if you're an explosive player, it's a way bigger deal. Running back, it's a receiver. It's like a career-altering injury. If you have, like, explosiveness. Offensive linemen and quarterback,

it's actually not as big of a deal just because, like, it's easier for them to play-through because they don't need quick-burst movement. Having said that, It changes the entire complexion of Mahomes because it's like, Mahomes, the whole reason he's nuts is it's just like, oh, he's this incredible, you know, pocket passer who then just kind of like wanders with like a drunk confidence around the pocket and never gets touched by anything.

Yeah. And then just, oh, loop 30 yards down the field. And you take that away and you're like, oh, you're just really good. But honestly, you know what it's like? It's like watching 38-year-old Patrick Mahomes. Honestly, it's like watching old Mahomes. And like of all the quarterbacks in the world that are, you know, in terms of their ability to deal with an injury like this,

like he's top of the list because he has such incredible, he can generate such torque with like his arm and like his arm angles and things like that. He's not going to have to like, you know, he doesn't have to have a solid base to make a big throw. These are two jump passes in this fucking game. I know. It's crazy.

But yeah, it definitely worries me, especially against a team that, you know, the Bengals have beat them three times in row. And they're going to need to play a good game here. And this is just a little bit disconcerting for them, obviously.

A little bit. And it's tough because I think, this is weird to say, as well as the Bengals played against the bills today, it's almost underrated how well their defense played because Josh Allen actually escaped so many freaking sacks. Josh Allen made, I mean, Jermaine Pratt, B.J. Reed, like, there are so many Bengals that kind of had Josh Allen if he weren't like 6'5 and 240. Right, right.

Like 29 other quarterbacks they would have brought down, but like Josh Allen got away from like probably four sacks. There was a play Josh Allen literally made four Bengals defenders missed to turn like a five-yard sack into a five-yard run. And like the Bengals knowing that Mahomes can't run around, they say like moving the pocket, but it is matter if you're attacking a stationary position versus something that can move. Like the Bengals defense might look even, I'm not better against the Chiefs next week, but Mahomes is going to be under duress because the Jagger couldn't pass rush at all. Like, they knew that Mojones was stationary, and, like, they didn't get a single sack on him. He couldn't even move.

Yeah, and let's talk about the Jags for a second. Look, I understand that Travis Kelsey is a Hall of Famer, and he's really good, but, like, how do you let this guy get 17 targets? He had 14 catches in this game. 98 yards, two touchdowns. This is just, like, it's the anti-Belichick thing where they just let the best player on, you know,

the Chief's team just absolutely destroyed that. Not only that. I think you're actually underselling it. he tied the record, I believe, for catches by a tight end of the playoffs, and he was one catch shy of the record for any player with catches in a playoff game, and he didn't have a catch in the final 10 minutes of the game. He basically was one catch shy of tying the record, and he didn't need a ball in the final 10 minutes.

Like, he easily could have broken the record for most catches in the game. And it's like, what were you coming into this game thinking you needed to do? I know. It's crazy. What was your plan? The funny thing is about, this too is like they gave a linebacker a whole bunch of money they drafted a guy in the first end second round linebackers in the first and second round and still just could do nothing uh to make him like to slow him down that's the crazy thing is investing maybe more into linebacker than any

position or at least yeah people were like this is a lot like why are you keep why are they doing so much at linebacker like this is absurd and then of course they still couldn't stop don't, can't stop guy. It's unbelievable. I have a question. Who do you think the winner of the weekend was? Who's like the overall number one winner? I'm springing this on you, but I'm curious.

Probably Burrough. Content. Siriani. Stephen A. Smith, anyone who makes a living making fun of the Cowboys, that's really high up there. I think that random Philadelphia lacrosse team probably made a lot of money. But no, I think that it's the Eagles and the Bills. I'm sorry, the Eagles and the Bengals, man.

Like, the Eagles, I think that the Eagles probably not really because the Eagles are going to San Francisco and like they need to win next week. The Bengals, I feel like Burrough and the Bengals like establish themselves as like, we're better than the bills. Like the Chiefs and the Bills have been held up as these are the two best teams in the NFC. And the Bengals were there. I mean, I doubted them coming to this season. No, a lot of people doubted them. Yeah. A lot of people doubted them.

Like, I mean, the bills were literally the Super Bowl favorites. no matter what happens next week, the Bengals and the chiefs are the cream of the ASC. Like, that's very clear. I think that Burrow elevated himself to the tier A1, unquestionable, like Mahomes, like, Ma'am, like, it's been Mahomes and Joshua. Burroughs, like, there, he's leapfrogged Allen.

The Bengals have leapfrogged the bills, all that jazz. So I think it's got to be the Bengals. And, of course, what is the Phillily lacrosse team? I think those are the winners. It's the Philadelphia Wings. They, that's a huge, I bet their box office has never been higher. It turns out Solex's prediction, when we were talking about the Giants Eagles game

on the draft show, turned up pretty real, turned up pretty well for him. It was like, this is going to be a massive blowout. Yeah, it was a massive blowout. It was tough. I mean, they're better at literally everything.

I also think that, I don't know what to say. I mean, it was. I was like, I get it. Trying to, like, earn variety points. I was just doing dishes and cleaning up my apartment. second half.

I was like, I don't know. Do something like worthwhile here. I was like watching. Just like, honestly, I was hoping the chains would break again. Like,

I don't know. I don't get a no contest out of it. Oh, man. My God. Oh, well. Anyway.

All right. Lastly, most important. You know what we haven't talked about on this podcast yet? What's that? The Burger King Wopper commercial. I think we've been trying not to get it in people's heads,

like just to like sear it into their heads for the next. It's all. I'm already seared, man. It's there. I'm convinced Rihanna is going to come down from this halftime show and land on the stage and look directly in the camera. Like, wapper, wapper, wapper, wapper, wapper. Dude, I'm already getting super excited, by the way, for the Super Bowl halftime show. I went and rewatched the Dr. Dre, M&M, like Snoop Dogg one from last year, 50 cent, Mary J. Blige.

It was so fun. Man, it was so awesome. So I'm getting psyched about this Rihanna thing. knock on line, one of the best parts that went to the Super Bowl last year was they don't have audio in the press box over the press box, like very awkwardly misses it, but watches it live but doesn't hear it.

And they actually played the audio of it in the press box, which was awesome. They played it on like the speakers. It was weird. It was like a weird, like we were in the stadium listening to the show on the speakers of the press box. But that's fine.

Just like a bunch of old white sports writers like just bobbing along to like Dr. Dre. I'm like, this is just such an odd, odd experience. Well, it was like a specific piece of nostalgia for people in my age. like they're and like around my age now that it's they're like considered oldies now which is the worst part was um whenever everyone listening probably understands this but um at some point you had the

realization where you were like wow i'm so glad that they stopped picking old musicians to make old people happy right finally picked a good band and then you realize you're the old people now i know but riana's are not that riana's not she's not yeah she's not yeah she's definitely not that. So this will be great. It's like 40 years younger. You know what's crazy is, you know, Rihanna's like, not old at all? That's 34. That's kind of nuts.

Yeah, like, I'm curious, like, do you know who all the other, is she going to have other, like, guest stars and stuff? Have we heard about that yet? I imagine she could be like an ensemble. Whoever she wants. Right. She doesn't need one, though. I don't know. If Travis Scott had like SpongeBob or whatever, anything could happen.

Wait, you didn't really talk about the Wopper thing? I think the Wopper is the best commercial in years. I want to be honest to you, Highfitz? I mute commercials. I do it well to, like, avoid the Wopper thing. Are you on your phone? You just got it into my head, though, again. Can you emails at Ringer Fantasy Football at G-Bel.com

if one, you have any, like, extreme thoughts in the Wopper commercial? Is it the best commercial ever, the worst commercial ever? Do you know how to get songs out of your head? I, where does this rank in, I don't know. Can you sing it again? Can you sing it again, Hyphitz. I'm pretty bad singing. This is where we miss Craig.

We miss Craig his impressions and his singing, among other things. That's going to be a prop bet. I'm telling you right now that's going to be a prop bet. It's going to be like a thousand to one. Rihanna does the Burger King song. Bark it down. If I can only bet on prop bets, that would be proper.

All right. I think that's all we got. We got the NFL Draft show on Thursday. D.K. and I so luck, Craig. Check that out. We'll be back next week. And I think Craig will be here if, you know, some of us work still.

believe so. Thank you, D.K. Thank you for listening. Thank you, Jesse, for production help. Thank you to the Giants for great season. Daniel Jones. Thank you, Lauren. Thank you, Alicia Keys. Rihanna was like right there. I'm saving that for the Super Bowl. Yeah. It's a good point. That's what you say it. Who do you think wrote the Burger King song?

Why is that guy not taking a victory lap? It's probably Dali Parton. She wrote it on the same day She wrote Jolene and that other song that's really famous, I don't know. The day she funded the maternity match suit, she just like banged out the Burger King song. Tully Parton is American hero. I bet that Burger King's song is going to take a victory lap

between the Super Bowl. Hi Fitz, I got to ask you, are the Giants going to be one of those teams next year that is like the team that's not in the playoffs and is replaced by another team in the playoffs? kind of deal? Oh, most definitely. Tebow, did you burn down the storage unit?

Seahawks might be another one of those teams. We'll see. We'll see how this offseason goes. They got a lot of, they got a lot of ammo this week, this offseason, so excited about that. Yeah, ready for like six months of Warren Sharp being like they had the easiest schedule of the NFL and then they, you know, made the playoffs. Anyway, good season. Good season. All right.

Excited to pay Daniel Jones, $160 million. All right. Talk about sticker shock. That's going to be It's going to be crazy. Cool. I don't even think it's wrong. I just think it's going to be crazy.

You know what? What's the alternative? What am I doing? All right. Goodbye, everyone.