The Ringer NFL Show - Draft Mailbag: Back-End First-Round QBs, Aiyuk’s Future, and Is J.J. McCarthy a Top-10 QB?

Episode Date: February 21, 2024

The guys start the show by sifting through the latest hype surrounding Michigan QB J.J. McCarthy and debating where he should go in the draft (1:48). Then, they open up the mailbag and discuss the best late-first-round quarterback options (11:31) and which players could sneak up as top-10 picks (36:31). Check out our 2024 Ringer NFL Draft Guide here!  Email us! [e-mail]  The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more, or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck, and Ben Solak  Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Jack Sanders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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My name is Danny Hypertz and I am joined by Danny Kelly, Ben Sluck, and Craig Horleck. We were doing a mailbag today. Thank you. Everyone who emailed us at Ringerfantasyfootball.gum. And of course, you can go to NFL draft. Dringer.com. DK has his big board up there, top 32 players. Ben So, Souleck has a mock draft up there.

So does D. I will have a mock draft up there. Michael Pennincks to the Steelers? I'm kind of in. I'm kind of in on that. I will never. NFL draft. I'll take anybody.

Anyway. Literally anybody. On that note, though, the crux of draft season is the quarterbacks and thus we will be doing, we have to start off with the only place to start off,

which of course is Panda Watch. Am I supposed to do it or are you doing it? I like when D.K. does it. D.K. does it fall. D.K. doesn't fall honestly. Panda watch. I have a question for you guys.

Obviously, at the zoo, the pandas that we are covering are always Drake May Caleb Williams and Jaden Daniels. But it seems that J.J. McCarthy is kind of sneaking into the zoo here. And I wanted to ask Ben and D.K., is J.J. McCarthy a panda. Is he worthy of being a panda? Also, for those listening, J.G. McCarthy is a human being. He's a quarterback for the Mexican Wolverines. It's a loaded question.

Is Panda a quarterback that we need to update on because he's mover, shaker in the top 10, top 15, or is panda, like a quarterback we think is good. The first. I would say more the former,

yeah. Then, yeah, McCarthy's a panda. Wow. Okay. Can you explain why? Well,

so it seemed like we kind of went to the senior bowl, and the senior bowl had bonex at Oregon, and Michael Panics out of Washington. It was like, you know, these guys might be fringe round one player. Like, let's talk about them.

And then now the one really impressed. I think D.K. did a really nice job after the senior ball episode. It's kind of being like, hey, we've heard nothing about, the one of these guys. That's not usually what happens after the senior ball, right? Usually somebody leaves

with some hype. And then pretty quickly afterward, there was some like plugged in NFL reporting, like guys who talked to scouts and talk to the personnel guys, bringing up like, hey, like, JJ McCarthy, like we expect him to be potentially a round one guy. Dan Bruegler said he expects him to be a top 15 pick. Daniel

Jeremiah, who released a mock draft today of the NFL network, had him going eight to the Falcons? I know. I put him eight to the Falcons as well. I think the expectation right now is that McCarthy is the fourth quarterback off the board. And we've been saying on this show since the beginning, like, this is probably going to be four quarterbacks in the first round.

I was kind of always going to be, you know, Caleb May and Daniels plus X. And it feels like McCarthy is increasingly going to be that X. There are people that say like, oh, he's QB2. Like, oh, there are some teams that have him above everybody except for Caleb. Like, that to me feels like too much. I'm not sure by that, but I definitely buy the fact that McCarthy's going like top 15. Why is this happening now? Is this the media catching up with the scouting?

or what would you characterize this as? What's the reason? DK, I don't know what you think. I think yes. This is typically the time when that happens, right? Like the media consensus player rankings up through like the senior bowl and entering the combine is a lot of like,

no, like we're just going off of this by our eyes. Like who do we like and who are we scouting well and like some preseason hype? And then over January through February, that's where I think the media really calibrates a lot better to where the league is at because that's where you start talking to scouts you're talking to general managers instead of like, you know, talking to teams about the sport that's going on.

You start talking about the draft. And then once we hit like middle of March, then it's misinformation season. So this is the time right now we're like, to me, the recalibration is true. It's legitimate. And yeah, it seems like league teams really believe in like McCarthy's winning pedigree. They believe in his physical talent. They believe in his youth and his ability to develop. Like they are, they're buying into it.

I think there's a little bit of an element to, Craig, here of the mystery boxing. You know, the line that we always mentioned from family guy where. You know, you could either have a boat or you could have this mystery box. It could even be a boat. And I think there's a little bit of that element going on here where before the senior bowl, it was like the hype machine was going crazy for Bo Nix. There was like a lot of reports and discussion and, you know, not necessarily reports, reports. But like there was a lot of discussion that Bo Nix was going to come out of the senior

bowl as like a lock to be a top 10 pick. He went there and from everybody that I talked to, no one was super impressed with him. He didn't really stand out. We don't know exactly how he did in the interviews, but the fact that J.G. McCarthy is now, like, coming in, he's like, we need somebody who's going to be, like, a top 10 quarterback. We need to talk about somebody who's going to be in the top 10. You know, J.J. McCarthy, we don't know much about him.

He's 20 years old. He doesn't throw very many passes. He's kind of a game manager in Michigan's offense, but you know what? He could be a boat. Cool. Nice. You know, over the years.

I think I do, like, I think I like McCarthy more than Solek. but I acknowledge that the tools are the reason he's being talked about as a top 10 pick, not necessarily like what he did. This is a classic example of, oh, he's toolsy. And it's like, yeah, but his tools are not even like 90th percentile. They're like 75th percentile. Like he doesn't have an elite arm. He has a good arm.

He's not like an elite mover. He's a good mover. So if the tools are the selling point and the tools aren't even elite, what are we do it? He could even be a boat. He's a winner. Where does he's a winner? land on like the bullshit scale of reasons to like a quarterback.

Teams love that. Teams love it, Craig. It's a real thing. Craig, I don't know if you've heard, but you play to win the game. So it's actually top reason number one. That's why I draft the guy. Yeah, that's like I feel like I have to use this caveat every time I talk about Carthy.

It's like maybe I don't think that saying he's a winner is like a legitimate way to analyze a quarterback. But teams do. GMs do. The teams, the individuals in the NFL making decisions look at that as a plus. I've got, I've got no issue if you have McCarthy here before. Like if on your Pennix, Knicks and McCarthy, you know, group, he's, he's your clear, like, top of that group. That makes sense to me. I get that. People who even, like, put him up against Daniels, I'm not fully there, but I can, I can understand it. Like, I can see how you get your head around it. So, I think one, that doesn't mean he should be a top 10, top 15 pick. I would not want to draft a player this highly for this. This long of a dice roll, right?

These long of odds, you're kind of really trying to hit a bullseye here. Nor do I think anybody who's got him ranked above Drake Mayor, Caleb Williams, is like, you know, at the right spot with both players. I think Caleb and Drake are so clearly, like, you're already physically way better and then way more polished relative to JJ. So that's where I kind of land on his hype. So I think that I agree through what guys are saying, but the last thing I want to clarify here. So if we just say, let's just say the bears take Caleb Williams first.

And let's just say that Washington takes Drake May 2nd. let's just say the Patriots take Jaden Daniels third. And so like that's basically what you have in your mind. You have Jaden Daniels to Washington and your mock and then Drake May to the Patriots. D.K., I think you have that reversed. But at that point, okay, so McCarthy's the fourth quarterback. So like, you just said you don't think McCarthy's like

a top 15 quarterback, in your opinion, you have J.J. McCarthy did the Falcons 8th. DK, if you're like, all right, well, McCarthy's the fourth guy. When you say McCarthy's the fourth guy, are you saying like, okay, but he still should go to the, as a top five pick, as a top 10 pick when the other three are gone? Are you saying that I think there's a tear drop, but I probably wouldn't, if I'm even the Pittsburgh Steelers, if I'm one of these other teams,

I probably still wouldn't pull. Your Seahawks are picking 16th. Would you want J.J. McCarthy to the Seahawks if you fell all the way to 16? Or you say he's not a first round guy? No, I think the reality of the situation is teams get nervous that they're going to mess. They're going to get too cute and mess it up. But I think the best case scenario is you trade back a little bit, grab it near the end of the first round, you get the five years on his contract and it's a good situation where you have a bridge quarterback probably and you're developing him over a couple of years,

like we've seen happen and work very successfully in the past where, you know, like Jordan Love, for instance, that's not the ideal situation of like sitting on the bench for three years or whatever, but guys get to develop a little bit, learn the system, get it down path so they don't have to go in to a game immediately and feel like they're trying to like, learn Spanish and talk to people in the different language and all that stuff.

So the ideal situation is you would trade down to the back half of the first round and do it. And I think that would be fine. I will say, Packers didn't trade back for Jordan. They traded it up for Jordan. That's another situation. The chiefs take Jay J.J. McCarthy. He sits for 10 years and then he comes in at 30. Yeah.

Imagine how good he would be. I got my only bone to pick with both of you in the draft season is the other. Trade back and get your franchise quarterback. I'm like, if he's your quarterback, he's your quarterback. The pack, like, Jordan Love is the right guy for the Packers, clearly. It doesn't matter if they took him 12th or 28th. So you just, guy or he's not. I'm like, it's like, oh, we'll trade back and get him.

It's like, is he good enough or not at the 16th pick? Who cares if you move back 12 spots and get a third round or whatever? It's not maximizing value. Yeah, I think, or it's like he's not good enough to go top 10 and I would only want him if I could get him in the late 20s. That to me is the answer, though. You're saying that like, if you're saying I want to, I only want him, like, I'm fine throwing the fish back and not coming.

to me feels like, to me, that's an out. I think, yeah. So, yeah, and what I was getting to essentially was, in a perfect world, you would trade back and get extra picks, you know, whatever. And you could maybe make two picks if you trade back into the first or whatever. In the perfect world, it doesn't always happen. And sometimes these coaches or GMs or whoever is making the decision, they panic. And they're like, we're not going to be able to do it.

We got to just pick him here. And so that's why he could be a top 10 pick. It goes back to my favorite rule, which is that when you're a head kid, at GM, your number one job is not to win the games, not to win the Super Bowl, is to keep the job, right? That is the number one objective. Hang on to that sucker for as long as you can. If you take Jay Jim McCarthy at 8,

and if you take it versus if you take him at 28, the exact same team, the exact same environment, that difference of 20 picks. You can go the whole season without playing J.J. McCarthy, if you took them at 28 and generally get away with it. Yeah, there'll be heat on you and like, oh, you've got to put them in over-jikovic, so on and so forth, but in general you can get away with it.

You take him at eight, buddy, you're playing them by week nine. and I don't like that that's the reality, but that's going to be the pressure that's on you. And so there is a qualitative difference to taking the same player at the first half of the first round versus the back half of the first round, just in terms of the expectations of that player year one into year two. Yeah.

So, okay, flip side of that. So back end of first round quarterback, we had email here from Kevin. Kevin. Kev. Kev. Kev Meister.

your team at the back end of the first round and you need a long-term solution at quarterback. I can think of the team. Yeah, exactly. So this is not hypothetical. Still is it more like I'm Kevin. You're going to take J.J. McCarthy out of this, but Kevin says, would you rather with your first round quarterback sitting,

draft Michael Pennix Jr. at a Washington. Boomer Boehner Bo Necks at Oregon. Like how boomer, Bo necks is Boomer Bo, even though he's the same age as Michael Pettix. Yeah, well, they're just both. It's dicking. Millennial Mike doesn't have the same ring to it. That's, yeah, that's nice.

Millennial Mike is older, millennial? I don't know. Or would you rather trade that first for Justin Fields, even if it's a little bit of an overpay? I'm curious, who, D.K., we can start with you. But would you rather take Pennix, or just trade the first for Justin Fields? Let's hypothetically say, like, the Steelers.

Like, what would you do? Man, that's so tough. I think, not to sit on offense, but it depends on who you have at quarterback right now. I think just hypothetically pulling out of nowhere Kenny Pickett So I think if you're

If you're the Steelers Let's just say the Steelers And you have Kenny Pickett I think taking Bo Nix is like a lateral move I don't really see that as like This is our savior or whatever You want someone that at least is different Right?

Like when you break up with somebody You don't date somebody with the same personality You want to switch things up right Yeah and so I think Bo Nix's big hands though Doesn't he? he's got big hands you know who also has big hands is Michael Pennix and that's where I was going to go in this scenario

just because he's so different right that was the insinuation I just think he's so different than what you get with Kenny Pickett that's why I could see that being a realistic option I do think

after going to the senior bowl and like watching more tape and things like that I think I probably am leaning towards J.J. McCarthy would be the developmental guy I want based on his age and the trajectory and the way that you can develop him over a couple of years and not have to worry about as much. Like Pennix is 24 years old or 23 and a half. He's going to be 24 as a rookie. Bo Nix has played like 60. He started 65 games in college football. And, you know, I don't know. Like how much of a development arc is that? Like is he already maxed out in his development? So I think that's why you could talk yourself into J.J. McCarthy. I think if you want a day one plug-and-play guy, like go for Michael Pennings.

I know Ben- vehemently disagrees with that. That's okay because that's a big part of this whole process. Ben, Ben, why do you disagree with that? But Michael Penning's just plug and play. Because I don't think you play well enough after you plug and play them. I think you can't plug and play. I just don't think the results of the plugging and the playing will be as good. I love that.

That's a really good explanation. I thought it was going to be plug and won't play because of the four career-ending injuries, four season-ending injuries in college. Technically, everybody's plug-and-play. The results are just going to be wildly different. What after you do, it might be bad.

The play is going to be bad. Yeah. Yeah. First of you, I feel so bad for Kevin if he's like a Dolphids fan or a Buccaneers fan who, like, is stuck in this now Steelers construct for this question. But in general, I would prefer to have fields.

I prefer to trade the first for fields. I think that if you're picking, if you're picking a quarterback outside of the top 20, I'm sort of the top 15 really in the first round. Like the hit rate's actually just really low. It's hard to do. I'd rather take like the day two, the round two,

round three swing and not have to spend 23 on it and then trade that for fields. And I feel like like Craig said, you get something different probably, right? You're getting a unique skill set. And there's a lot of win with worlds with Justin Fields because you can do unique stuff,

because you can do challenging stuff. They can make your team functional. I think that he's a lot, like it's weird to call Fields high floor. because he's known for not being high floor among NFL quarterbacks, but relative to draft prospects, he is a high floor option, in my opinion. Yeah, I think I'd lean that way too, actually.

Craig, in your gut, would you rather have Justin Fields, Pennix, Boenix, J.C.C. McCarthy. Probably Justin Fields. Yeah. I think not only that, and also it says Kevin, Kev, who emailed those, it says Kevin Calbert, I usually don't say the last name,

is Kevin Calvert, former general manager for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Callage. The thing with Fields, too, I agree. I think I'd rather just have Fields at that point. But the thing, the other good news is that I don't actually think

you will need to give up a first round pick for Justin Fields because Justin Fields has unfollowed the Chicago Bears on Instagram. And I don't have many receivers are in their own world. So jover. Any other position, if you have, if they have like unfollowed you on, like their team on Instagram,

and they're not like an all pro player. Like you don't have to give up a first round. Like you just don't have to do it. So second round or max if they don't follow their own team on Instagram. I don't think he's fetching a first rounder anyway. Like, this is probably, he's definitely more like a second round trade option. Wouldn't you say?

And Fields? Yeah. I think he'll be a, Sam Donald one for a second. He's second plus. Yeah. Okay. We got an email here. We're going to interweave the weird emails in with the regular football.

And if this is your first episode of the show, Godspeed. This one's from Robbie. Robbie. Robert. Bobby. Bob. It's Robbie with an IE, and I'm curious how the people with the R-O-B-B-I-E go with it. Robbie I-E is standard.

I know, but since that's not your actual name, right, it's Robert. I wonder where the nickname I-E versus the... You know what no one cares. Whatever. Here's the email. I don't even understand what he was trying to ask. Would you trade the ability to go on the internet for the power of magic, talking like average Harry Potter wizardry?

Like, would you rather be a wizardian? 100%. It's not even remotely close. No, well, you can't use your phone. Are you not going on the internet? What are you not? What are you talking about here? This is,

would you like to have a good thing happened to you and then also another good thing happened to you? That's the question we were just asked. We'd have two separate excellent things occur to you.

To which my answer is yes. Unquestionably. I will text you guys once a month. How are you doing? How's the kids? How's Calvin? Craig for the Steelers?

And then I'm gone. And I'm looking forward to seeing your tweets if they ever get copy pasted into this group chat. Absolutely. No, No group chats. Peace of mind, baby.

I am so in. Ben framed it so perfect. Would you rather have a good thing happen to you or a really good thing happened to you? It's, I would steal so much money if I had Harry Potter level wizardry. I would never have to go on the internet again. I could just live in the woods and, you know. Yeah, but dude, there's so many good memes out there you'd miss. Craigio memes.

This is not a problem. Dude, I have magic. How did it affect your life, Craig, if I was never on the internet? You'd never get those memes I send you. And then, and then what? I wouldn't get those late night IG reels. He'd be so depressed. Every group text of friends now

It's just like a bunch of memes that people catch And then everyone has the person in the chat Who is three days late and sends the meme that's already been sent No, but I mean look, I agree with both of you The happiest people in the world are the people who don't use the internet So are the wizards, I agree All right Wizards, yeah, let's, there we go

All right Next one here we have a Barbarino Okay, Barbarino Is this Barbara that's just going by Barbarino? I don't know. Is this like a Barbenheimer thing? Like what is this?

What's the other movie here with Barbie for Barbarino? Encino man and Barbie? Ooh, there we go. I don't know. Anyway, Barbarino. Barbarino. Is Brandon Ayuk worth the money for the 49ers? Do you see the possibility of a trade?

I feel like, I mean, Brandon Aukes seems to see the possibility of a trade. That's amazing. His brother seems to be very trade-talkie. Braddhae's brother was literally complaining that Bradenna Eukes getting three catches in the Super Bowl's why Brenda Yook's going to be on the Raiders I don't really know how being with Aidan O'Connell

will fix that, but it's crazy that a wide receiver's camp is like being pretty outspoken about a wide receiver's role in their team. Do you remember? Do you guys remember that one time that Star Receiver was like, I think I got too many targets in this game we lost and we should distribute the ball more. Spread the ball more. Yeah, yeah, you guys remember that.

I feel like a glutton out here. Yeah. Sharing giving away. Here's my thinking. Do you guys want to rank all? Like, let's just say Iyuk went for a first rounder. I'm curious, who are, like, the receivers you would take in a deal over Brandon Iyuk, including H? Or we could also just rank other annoying, like, Deva receiver rankings, but.

Annoying. I don't find them annoying at all. Because I was wondering, where does Brandon Ayuk rank? Because I think we all agree that he's better than where he actually is. But I feel like my initialist was Tyree Kill. I would take over Ayuk, Justin Jefferson, C.D. Lamb, A.J. Brown. Jamar Chase, Garrett Wilson, that's six. And then it's like, Amon Ra?

Maybe. Yes. Jalen Waddle. No. Waddle, no. Amon Ra, yes. Did you say C-D? I'm taking C-D.

Because then we have the old guys that would play out for eight to pass or for each. Chris Alave, would you rather have him or Ayuk? I think I'd rather have Brin Ayuk. I'd rather have Ayuk. Yeah. Which, like, you can argue like, oh, get Alave and he's younger and cheaper. And then in Ayur.

year he's iuk but like you're still there's still risk there right there's still like uncertainty there iuk is definitely a top 15 receiver and you have him and he's cost controlled you don't move off of that for anything less than a first plus unless you're the tennessee titans moving on from a jrown for whatever godforsaken reason like like that's the trade we'd be talking about we'd be talking about the a jrbri they do the a jr brown trade if they traded him for a first and you remember that a jr brown trade what's the defining characteristic of it we've made fun of the titans for it for two years, right? Like, I don't see how the Niners are doing this. Mike Frable, wrong kid died.

We get a bunch of fantasy people being like, hey, like, there was this trade made in our league, and we don't know if it's fair. Should we veto it? And my answer has actually just become the same thing over and over, which is, you know, when the Titans traded AJ Brown or the Eagles, no one asked the Giants, like, hey, do you think this was fair trade compensation? Do you think A.J. Brown should go to the Eagles? The Giants, we're not consulted on the deal. I don't know why anyone thinks it's right. Stupid is. It's a stupid does, sir. It's Cooper Cutte, Mike Evans,

Defente, Stefonte, Keenan Allen, whether or not you think they're better than Iyuk. They're too old. Yeah, they're old. Put them out to the master. So the reason this is a thing is multifaceted, right? So, like, first of all, Ayuk wants more targets, wants more volume.

He's not going to get it in... Oh, it's just bringing the massive Stanley Cup filled with ice onto the screen. I do the ice. I know. It's like the ice is rattling around. The biggest Stanley Cup you've ever seen in your life. Well, notice if that...

I've never had ice on the show in like six years to do the show. And today I stole my girlfriend's ice. I know. I stole hers and there's ice. Sick girlfriend bag. But I was looking at Debo Samuel. Sorry, to get back on subject here. It's looking at Debo Samuels.

I can't even talk. You got to hydrate. Okay. I left my water in the other rooms. This is taunting me. Devo Samuel's cap number. Of course, he could be, you know, they could renegotiate his contract or whatever.

But his cap number in 2024 is 28. $8.6 million is $24 million in 2025. And I think so part of the thought here is they're not going to be able to win with that much money dedicated to the receiver position, I guess. What do you think? I mean, the problem is Brock Purdy gets paid like the 66th highest paid quarterback in the end. Brock Purdy gets paid.

Yeah, they're just like, F it. We can do whatever we want now. Dak Prescott makes more per game that Brock Purdy's made his entire career than when that, like, so they can only pay so many people. but I think, where do you guys, I'm wondering where Iuke, Mike, I think the Raiders is actually an insane destination for Ayuk, but I want them to go somewhere with a quarterback. Yeah, I don't like,

Iuke is not solving the Raiders problem. Like if the Raiders have Jacoby Myers as wide receiver three with IUC and Devante Adams, they have like the best wide receiver court in the league and also they're going to win five games, like if they don't figure out quarterback, right? The only like teams that I think it's a justifiable buy because you're expecting to give him a huge contract after you trade for him,

is those teams that are like, hey, we're competing right now. It would be great if we had a second great receiver. Let's go get that guy, right? It's like, you know, the chiefs, the Detroit Lions do it to pair him with a Monro. Right? Buffalo does it to pair him slash replace digs. Like that, all those make sense. But again, if you're San Francisco, are you making that move? I don't think so.

And like, there's two logics here that I think are bad, which is the first is like, oh, the Niners lost, so somebody must be at fault. Like people watch the Niners film and they were like, wow, Debo was bad in this game. Debo's not that good. Firstly, you guys have clearly never watched Debo.

He takes 15 reps off every single game because he doesn't give a hoot. Like, this is, he's been doing this for two years. Because he's getting hit hard. It's also insanely injured. Right. And secondly,

Debo's still extremely good at fed football. They all, if not for three separate fumbles, if any one of the money, different way they would have won. We wouldn't be having this conversation. So one, like, people want there to be a reason

why the Niners lost. Like, oh, Brandon and I, you didn't get enough targets. That's probably, I made, like, sure, like, more Brando-Aug targets would be good, but I don't think it's why they lost. That's number one. Well, Bradenaiuk and his family do, but yes.

Number two is the idea like, oh, well, the Niners, you know, George Kill on the fifth round, Debo Samuel on the second round, Brandoomu at the end of the first round. They can just find these guys and go. That might be true, but it's not a reason to move on from the dude. You spent a first round pick on him. You spent a ton of time developing him, right? He was like, in the doghouse, Kyle Shannon at quotes.

And like, you got him around the corner. He's an unbelievable receiver. You don't just say, oh, well, you know, we might be able to make Malachi Corley into something good out of pick 78. So let's just move on to Brun Ayuk. It's not a reason to do this. They're going to walk in the next season with Debo Samuel and Brandon Ayuk because they're receivers. I believe that very strongly.

Remember when the 49ers traded to Forrest Buckner for a first round pick and they took Javon Kinla. How many times you hear Javon Kinla's name this year? Right. You're asking me? Yeah. Did you hear his name ever? There's your answer. I can't recall.

You hear it as much as the ice. It just doesn't work that way. On that note, Super Bowl wide receivers, Matt, Matt, Matthew. Should the Chiefs actually draft a wide receiver in the first round? Their offensive tackles are pretty bad, and the Chiefs could probably budget shop at receiver this offseason and just sign like Kendrick Bourne or Darnell Moody. And, well, so like, I kind of do like the idea of Darnell Moody and just continuing the performance art of how bad the receivers can be and still win a Super Bowl.

He's nowhere near that bad. Come on. Yeah. Matt, honestly, saying what I've never, I haven't been brave enough to say, but I have been thinking, which is like, the Chief should probably go offensive tackle at 32. and then like in the event that the receiver room isn't great next year, be crucified for it constantly. But firstly, they were in the benefit of the doubt.

Brett Beach built a very good team. Secondly, their tackle problem is as serious as the wide receiver problem, in my opinion, right? Like, I'm not sure they have one good starter at tackle right now with Joanne Taylor and Donovan Smith. Smith's obviously kind of a veteran stopgap. They need a left tackle option. They gave Taylor that big deal in year one.

I don't think it was a good return on investment. I think they'll leave them there year two. They have Juanio Morris behind, into they drafted Wanya. I want to say in the third round out of Oklahoma last season. Please don't quote me on that. And I think it's some flashing moments

at left tackle, but it's not enough to hang your hat on and say, like, this can be our starter guys. They have a starting need at left tackle, just so they start need a wide receiver. And so it's a really strong

offensive tackle class, really strong receiver class. We're all going to keep plugging and chugging wide receivers in at 32 no matter what in my draft. It's an unironing. It's an unironic plug and chug. You got a plug and chug.

I don't know, yeah. Folks aren't plugging and chugging enough I'm insane. If you can't play, You plug and play. You plug and chuck. You plug and chuck. So we're going to keep plugging and chucking in wide receivers at 32 to the Chiefs, like, in all mock drafts.

But I think like Kingsley, Kingsley, Sumitia at a BYU, Oklahoma, Tyler Guyton, yeah. The Houston, K. Like, there's options for them there at tackle if they want them. There's so many good, yeah, there's so many good tackles in this class. I also think you could just get a receiver in the second round and be fine. This is a no-brainer. They just won two Super Bowls with a terrible receiving court.

Their last Super Bowl with Tyree Kill, they lost. They're two after. He left, they won. It's math. Yeah, Craig, Craig's on the TikTok logic immediately. I'm just like, come on, this is crazy. Like, keep Patrick Mahomes upright. They're fine at wide receiver.

Am I the only one that's- No, they're absolutely not, but they don't need to spend a first-round pick-up. Sorry, they're not fine, but it's fine. They're anything but fine at wide-receiver, Craig. But it's working. No, I'm just saying, you don't have to get first round or, but just please don't say it's fine. Yeah, second and a third.

It'll be fine. There we go. All right, next up, going back to the weird emails, the actually insane ones. So we got an email from David. Hi, Dave. All right, this one's about, um, peeing. Of course.

For those who have not been paying attention, we've done a lot of, uh, we've got a lot of reset response around, you know, adults, sober adults, you know, peeing or, you know, in your pants. Anyway. Or, you know, in your pants. David writes

Almost Peeing is a young man's game That's so true David writes I'm 59 I have BPH Which is an enlarged prostate As do lots of men my age

I cannot tell you How many times I've had a pee My eyes almost popped out of my head How many close calls I've had How many times have had I've had a pull over for an emergency Roadside pee You'll see

You'll all see Hyvitz you gave that a very good reading I felt the rawness of it I felt the emotion I resonated with me Angers to see you got that across. That's well done. You'll see.

He literally continues. It says, ask a group of guys, three quarters of them have had rough to the same experience. It's all downhill from where the three of you guys are. Enjoy it while you can. I hope this doesn't bum you out. David, what is your question? Anyway, what should the Bengals do at 16th?

There's literally no question mark in this. I just liked the diversity of someone older being done. Now we have to feel bad about being able to pee normally. Yeah, that was basically his point. Every time I pee, if I'm going to hear on now, I'm going to say a little thank you. Now, the heavens above, I appreciate how easy this was for me. I want to express my gratitude for this. I'm a member of the small bladder gang.

I have to pee all the time. Don't know why. But have you guys noticed other members out there listening, Ben, of the small bladder gang? If I have a glass of tea, a cup of tea. I have to pee way more often than if I had a glass of water. Is there a reason why that is? I think so. The diuretic.

Oh, is that maybe that makes sense too, the caffeine. I thought the answer was going to be cold water. I think your body has to warm it up. So like it has to warm up to digest. Is that not true? Doesn't like room temp water, aren't you going to like absorb the water quicker than if it's actually cold? I don't know. But that sounds insane to me.

I don't know if that's true for why you would pee. more. I feel like they say not to drink. Don't drink ice cold water if you want it because you actually burn calories drinking ice cold water because you have to warm it up. So like if you're on, if you're like starving, it's actually not great to just put snow in your mouth or whatever. Yeah. Craig, I don't know the science behind it, but like I grew up like my family is Russian. We were like mostly tea drinkers over coffee drinkers. Like no, all the time it was like, hey, like we're going on a road trip. No one's a lot of empty. One cup of tea. I'm peeing like three times in the next hour. Yeah, it's a real thing.

It has something to do with the caffeine, I'm pretty sure. But it's such a small amount of caffeine. I'm having, like, green tea. It's not like I'm drinking a black tea. Diarrheic is a medicine that helps reduce fluid buildup in the body. Did I spell that wrong? I mean, it would make sense. It would make sense why you would pee more often then.

It's getting rid of your fluid. It has a bunch. Caffeine has a mild. diuretic effect. So yes, that's right. Email's suring your fantasy football at gmail.com if you're a doctor wants to make fun of this conversation. We're such We've Google things

live when we're trying to figure stuff out, all right? Just lay off. Anyway, next email from Antonio. Antonio. Tony. This one's about like football or whatever. Who are your favorite pass rushers in this class? Indeed.

So, well, I want to go through the guys that you have in the draft guide again, NFLdraft.3.com. We've got layout, oh, sorry, if I get this wrong, please. Fla, flagellagulate, how do you hit me? I don't know. Lajal. Lato, Lattu, Lattu, yeah. Lattu, compared him to Jean-Claude Van Dam. Chop Robinson, pass-rrush for Penn State.

You have Dallas Turner, pass-risher from Bama, Jared Verse, pass-risher at a Florida State, and you have Darius Robinson, who's kind of like a defensive tackle pass-rush combo from Missouri. Of those guys, which is your favorite dude, D. Layoutu Latu, for sure. He has a big question mark in terms of his health because he at one point retired medically from football because of a neck injury,

which is, of course, a huge concern. But I love watching this guy play football. He's just so tenacious is like the word. He's incredibly tenacious. He is really good hand usage. I just feel like I have almost never seen him get stymied. You know what I mean? Like when you're watching pass-srusters,

if they get one sack a game, they're like a Hall of Famer. you know so like a lot of times a lot of times they are getting stymie they're getting held up they're getting stuck in the muck there's whatever Liatu Latu he like never stops moving if he gets if a offensive tackle gets like the edge on him right away

he chops he spins he keeps going he plays with an incredible motor and incredible hand usage to keep guys opposing tackles from like getting a whole of him getting and basically clamping down on him and holding in place like it's very hard for it for posing tackles to do that So, you know, he's not like maybe not the best athlete. And I think there's some question marks about his length.

But he's so good with his hands that I think he's going to be able to overcome that in the pros. So because your favorite edge, two or three of your favorite past rushes. Yeah, I've watched most much of the first couple of tiers of the edge rushers. And I'm really, this is not the class for me. I know there's some people who like a couple of the guys as top guys. Dallas Turner out of Alabama, I think is the consensus top guy. I'm not a huge fan of Turner's film. Lottu is definitely my favorite.

of the group. I think he's the one guy who I watched who has like some round one buzz, round one pedigree. And I was like, oh yeah, like I get this. This is a round one player. I think there's a lot of fine players in this year's class. But if you're looking for like a double digit sack guy in this year's class, I think Lott's who is your best shot of finding one. I'm not a big chop Robinson guy to Penn State. I think Jared Versa of Florida State is solid. I think he's steady. I do not think he's like a 10, a 10 sack guy. Raylan tries out of Washington same thing. I think he's like a good high motor player, good against the run, has utility can drop.

Like, there's been, there's been Chris Braswell out of Alabama hype. I, I've watched, like, six, seven Alabama games on defense this year. I have not once been like, oh, who's this guy? And like Braswell's just simply not popped for me. Adisa Isaac out of Penn State, I thought had a good senior bowl on film. I think he runs very hot and cold. Marshall Neeland out of Western Michigan is the guy who I need to find film on. There's like no all 22 of Western Michigan's defense out in the world right now.

Because he had a really good senior ball and I kind of want to see him play. So there's some outstanding dude is Brandon Dorliss out of Oregon. People are fans of him who I haven't seen, but I've seen much of the first couple tiers. And to me, like, this is a great class

for, like, your edge three. But if you're trying to find, like, a top tier sat-getter, that's, I like lots of I don't really like anybody in this group. I think Chop Robinson is the classic pass-fisher

with incredible traits who didn't really have much production in college. That could be something bigger in the pros. To me, when I watched him, I was like, this guy has one of the most insanely explosive first steps I've ever seen. He flies off the ball. I've maybe like literally almost never seen anyone as explosive in his first couple steps as Chop Robinson. The production just never really came.

Of course, sometimes that's like a really terrible sign and sometimes these guys never turn into anything in the pros. And sometimes it's a matter of development, moves like a past rush plan. Sometimes it's like a scheme-related thing. You know, there's always different variables. And we've seen guys who have really cool traits coming out of college and then all of a sudden they turn into like really good pass rushers in the NFL after not really doing that in the college game. So Chopper Robinson would be the guy that I would be more than willing to take a chance on

just because he has incredible, incredible athleticism, incredible, incredible, just explosiveness. Next up here, a question from what I can only assume is Solex burner because it just go birds. Go birds? Who is a player that could shoot into the top 10 picks in this year's draft that no one is thinking you're talking about right now? So when Trayvon Walker went first.

Oh, man, yeah, the Trayvon Walker thing, that was a wild turn of events. There was nothing wrong with the Trayvon Walker first overall selection. Let me make that very clear. Great pick. Solock made a lot of money. A lot of money that day. So like, who do you think?

A couple guys came to mind for me. I think Quignon and Mitchell, the corner, out of Toledo. I don't know if he's already maybe getting top 10 buzz, but I think he could by the time. As we get out of the combine, he's probably going to run really fast and jump really high. People are going to get super psyched about him. Quinyon's the first name that came to my mind.

I love this film. He's really good. He's so good. And if he tests the way, he is reported to test. We have a Combine Preview episode came out talking about some of the guys that were excited to watch. He was on Feldman's free list. Mitchell, if Mitchell test away

reported the test, this feels like a top 10 pick. Cornerwise, I think there's a couple guys who can be that. I just finished Terry on Arnold last night. Man. Yeah, he's good. Yeah. I thought he was good.

Man, that freaking old miss film, goodness gracious. Yeah, so I mean, Terry and Arnold is up there. So those are the first ones that came to my mind. I would also say Cooper DeGine at a Iowa at the corner. I wouldn't be surprised if he moves up in a big way as well. I do think that we have a shot of getting a defensive. tackle top 10. We had to say, so there's Jerzon Newton out of Illinois, who I think came in as kind of

the big name, the disruptive name, like, you know, okay, squatty, three technique, high explosiveness, high motor, good hands, whatever. Byron Murphy, man, this Texas kid, I was really, really, really impressed when I sat down and watched him. I watched for Tavondry sweat their other defensive tackle. He's like their space gobbler, 350-pound nose tackle fella. Byron Murphy's more the interior player. Goodness gracious.

young man, I can get off the ball. Cause a little disruption, all right? Byron Murphy's one of my pet cats for this year. So I would say he's a potential top 10 pick. And then I think the top of the tackle class is still unsettled. I think we all walking, offensive tackle, excuse me, thank you. Joe Alt out of Notre Dame is kind of walking in as clear tackle one.

Olu Fashanu. Yeah, Olu Fashanu coming in as kind of a tackle like O'TE too, like they're clear top guys. But the league seems to be out on Fashano a little bit. And honestly, alt to me feels a little bit like, yeah, he's the top 10 guy because he is the top 10 guy. He's great. Don't get me wrong. He's a good film.

But there's not like an obsession with him. It's like, oh, Tristan Wirf. Oh, like, you know, like, incredible. I think there's room for guys to rise. The guy for me is Amarius Mims, the tackle out of Georgia. I am perplexed that Amarius Mims exists on this earth. I, when I watch him, I think I'm watching some like, you know, Flash, DC Universe, Earth 575, the years 2140. the humans can jump over mountains and a leaf and bounds.

Like, it is shocking that this man is 6-6-3-30 moving the way he is. It is unbelievable that he is physically capable of existing and being the way he is. He is rar than sushi, but holy smokes, he's good. Mims is the guy to me who, like, I would not be surprised if he gets a draft day. And Fashanu has fallen out of the top 10 and Talisi Fulaga, the Oregon State guy. Like, those guys have all been passed up by Mims. I totally agree. I put him down to, yeah, he essentially is a,

one-year starter with only a couple of, like, I think it's less than 10 starts on his resume. So it's, you know, he is not experienced, but the traits are absolutely just ridiculous. He's really tall, big, powerful, strong, long. Like, he has really light feet, really strong hands. Like, everything you want, basically, they just haven't, we haven't seen it like a ton. And so, you know, it's going to be one of those things where our team is willing to take a risk on him that high, I don't know, but I bet you, like he has all the traits that

somebody's going to, like, fall in love with them. All right, we have an email here from Will. Will. William. Willie. Email says, can you guys please explain or try to explain the plot of Dune in less than 60 seconds?

And they say, Solac, it's not allowed to comment. Is that, Solac, have you, like, been talking publicly about Dune? Are you read the book? Have you read the book? No. No. They just assumed he knows Dune. I would like to read the book. You can talk. I don't know.

Shout out. Shout out Will being like and freaking Ben can't nerd, all right. Can't talk. No, I really want to read Dune, but I haven't. This guy looks like somebody who's read Dune. Foremost expert on Dune. Fair. Not wrong.

So. Yeah, who do you want to go? Yeah, you could join in. So there's, there's. Oh, this is going to go well. Kind of a desert planet and spice is very important. And they're all fighting over it. There's a Galactic Empire.

There's an emperor who, and he's shining. Kendall Jenner's boyfriend. What? Timothy Shalema is dating Kylie Jenner. No, that's not the Emperor's. That's not the Emperor's son. I'm very upset already. He's not the Emperor's son.

He's one of the royal families. I kind of feel like I've nailed it in 10 seconds. Desert planet, everyone's fighting over spice. Yeah. Yeah, sure. Yeah. That's good. And it's also like, would you date me if I were a worm?

that's also like a huge part. And there are underground giant violent worms that attack people. On that desert planet, yes. What's up with that? Spongebob kind of did it first. Alaskan Bullworm. True. Every so often.

Kind of feel like Dune was written before SpongeBob, but. No. For the screen. Every so often on Ringerverse. Craig, this is the second dude movie. Every so often on Ringerverse, they should brand an episode. Like, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

up, but then it comes in and it's just us trying to summarize a major nerd culture movie and just infuriating that entire listener base with the accuracy. I was going to try for real, but you guys were just doing so well that I decided not to. We'll do it. Okay, so I haven't read the book, to be clear, but based on the movies, there's a emperor. It came out in the 60s, by the way, so you are correct. Thank you. Just made it.

Just barely. There's a galactic emperor, and he's playing the two, he's playing multiple powerful houses against each other by sending one house that's getting too strong that's the Atreou or whatever they are, not Atreides. Atreides.

Atreu is from a different movie. He sends House Atreides to Dune to take over for house Harkinen because he wants Atreides to go down essentially and then he like helps the Harkinans go take the Atreides out. Spice is this substance that helps them travel through

space very fast. Like super space. on us, whatever it's called. It's like basically a hallucinogen of some sort. They should call it spice travel. That'd be funny. There you go. It's essentially what it is.

You're just super fucking high. Are they making those puns back in the 60s? Do they have wordplay like this? I don't know if they do. What is the name of the planet? Anyway, so that makes spice the most valuable substance in the galaxy because without it, they'd just be stuck on their planets. It's called Arachus.

Did you read the movie for what that's worth? No, I have not read the book. I love the movie, though. And I've watched it a couple of times. The second one is apparently very good. Getting great reviews. I cannot wait. I do want to read the books.

Apparently, they're good. It's really a little bit worrisome that nobody at any point has said, like Paul Atreides, who's the main character. Paul Atreides is supposed to be like... I said that.

He's like the mythical... Maybe the mythical... Maybe the mythical... Maybe. Yeah, he's like a mythical person to come save... The local people in Iraqis called the Fremen. I don't know.

There's a lot of cool other shit. like his like Paul Atrade's mom is part of the Benad Jeseric which is like this ancient order of... Have you read the Wikipedia's? Yeah. The problem is like Dune is unsummerizable

in 60 seconds because there are so many terms and there are so many cultures and groups and peoples that like you just have the defined terms for 60 seconds where you can even like begin with the summary. Lest we forget one of the greatest warriors in the galaxy is named Duncan Idaho. Duncan Idaho.

Aquaman. Duncan Idaho. Do you imagine writing like a world-famous, like, beloved book that's like read Generation Upon Generation and one of your main characters is Duncan, Idaho? That's a banger of the name. Okay, D.K., right now, if an office of tackle came out in the name Duncan, Idaho, you and I would be talking about like a top 20 pick, play on team. That's the worst.

It's the worst name of Agilegeal. We should do a, like, a watch-along with a movie where we could, like, scout all the characters in the movie as if they were ready. NFL players. That's good. I like that. Main character makes a bad decision. Oh, stock down.

Now, I see, that's that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, he's got, uh, he's not, uh, you know, what's the words. He makes bad decisions. Poise. Poise. Poise. I'm taking Paul. Almost hyphets. I want to do.

I want to take Paul at Trades. He can use the voice to like manipulate defense. I want, I want, I want draft jargon for Dune 2 brought to you by the ringer NFL draft show. Yeah. There's something there. There's something there. Tight skin. that worm.

Emails over your fantasy football email.com. If you have a movie, we should scout. Yeah, a lot of, oh, the bend of the worm. A lot of bend. All right. I'd like to know how many like real Dune fans, we've just absolutely triggered by talking about this. I think I triggered them. I'm sorry. By the way, to be clear, I've not read the book. I've only seen the movie. You know the names of all the people and you're out here like apologizing.

Yeah, yeah. The real question is like, how would you describe it to like your partner if they didn't want to see the movie if you were to like try to entice them to see it and you had 20 seconds. Desert power and a hallucinogenic substance. It's badass. Writing, writing, writing a sandworm. There's substantial geopolitical interplay. There's really cool scenery. Babe, there's substantial geopolitical interplay. Two words for you. We got to go. Oscar Isaac. Yeah. I feel like you go Zendaya, Timothy Chalameh, Austin Butler. Depends who you're talking to.

The meme of like the couple in bed and the woman's thinking like, what's he thinking about? He's probably thinking about cheating. And the guy's just like substantial geopolitical. What would I do if I was House Atreides here? Oh, shit. This is such a catch-22. You say Zendaya and Timothy Chalameh. And like, that means nothing to me.

But substantial geopolitical interplay sounds interesting. A couple things here just to get out before we got out of here. We got a lot of emails about how the goat, Mike Davis, a.k. Funk Davis, has retired officially. Damn. So, like, you don't know this, but he's very dear to us, near and dear to our heart,

Meister Mike Davis. My thoughts and prayers are with you guys. Funk Davis. Legend, your real one. Yeah, kind of defined this show, really. Like, he really, it was kind of before the Mike Davis thing

and after the Mike Davis thing is how the show is defined. Well, after the Mike Davis thing, then there was the Josh Jacobs thing, and then there was the Tony Pollard thing. But Mike Davis kind of kicked off like the crazy hypherson. Fitz-take trend.

Can I know what the take was? It just was kind of like, you know everyone hates this Mike Davis guy? Many takes put together. Yeah. High-fits got a little bit fixated on Mike Davis. I just kind of, yeah. Didn't work out.

I don't know, man. Yeah. Those quads. The quads are. And we determined that if he had a cooler name, he would be much more popular. So we gave him the name Funk Davis. Yeah.

And it worked. And then he had 1600 yards led the league Everwood drafted him won. So it's really a great story of the end. I do think ironically, half the people had him cut him for Patterson and then ended up like winning by accident. So I kind of, you know.

So you're welcome. You kind of failed upwards. Yeah. Anyway, all right. Got an email from your go. Your go. Your go. Director of poor things.

Would you rather, would you rather own a ferret for the rest of your life or eat a ferret? I actually think we should tweak this to eat a ferret every year. I think I have to eat a ferret every year. I can cook it, right, and prepare it any way I want? I think so. I'm eating the ferret.

I think you should have to eat the ferret every year. Yes, 100%. They're not that made good pets. They can make great pets, but they're not the easiest to handle and can bite hard if startled, according to the internet. Look, if an animal isn't already a popular pet, it's because it's not a good pet. Like we've, you know, like, if a ferret was a good pet, we've figured out all the good pets. Yes, I think we have.

There's no unknown good pets. We have figured out pets. We solved that riddle. If you're trying something new. We know what all the good pets are. Even half the pets that we like aren't good pets. It's like trying to prove the world is flat. When I was in college, I had a friend who went to University of Arizona and he visited us and he brought, he had a pet ferret.

And he brought it. And it ran around our apartment for like two days. I heard they. stink. Do they stink? I don't remember it's smelling. But it was just kind of, I don't know, it was freaky. It just looked so unnatural to have like a ferret. It was freaky.

I mean, they're just so long. The ground and they're so long and they're just hiding in the corner under couches. It's very weird. It's like a snake with legs. Dude, you know it's crazy? Okay. I have waited for like two years for this moment to be able to talk with this. So my friend, one of my friends, Ryan, has had a chinchilla growing up.

Doesn't matter. Whole other story. What's the chinchilla look like? Oh, dude, well, dude, chinchillas are wild. You don't know about chinchillas, DK? Oh, dude, chinchillas are insane. Are they similar to ferrets? No, take a ferret and like squish the head to butt real compact.

And you got a chinchilla. Yeah, it's like a, yeah, it's like if you squished a baby seal and it was like kind of like brown. It's like the finest fur in the animal kingdom. And they literally live in dirt. Yeah, that's not a ferret. It doesn't look like a ferret at all. No, they literally live in dirt. It's insane.

Okay. Well, now I'm a fork in the world. There's two different stories here. But anyway, the point is... That's insane that he had a chinchilla. Dogs and cats, that's it. No other pets. He, so then...

Fish? She's telling me that he had asthma. Bird? No. Let him... Turtle? I just want to see how many animals like a name while hyphids was continuing with this story. What about bird?

Let the birds fly. Let the fish swim. We should not be caging these animals. Let the birds fly. That's like a... It was beautiful, Craig. Brian Regan. Hey, thanks.

I've been blessed with a gift of flight. Now you're putting me in this cage. Cool, you clip my wings and you keep me in your living room. Thanks. So yeah, don't keep a bird. Anyway, hi-vitz. Tell the, what were you saying? The story doesn't matter.

The point is that PetSmart has reviews. You can read reviews on PetSmart of like people leave the reviews for like goldfish. And you can just read them. And it's honestly, I think. think the last part of the internet that I think is pure and incredible is like you could go to like the goldfish on pets and you just read people's reviews of the goldfish. And it's just like no personality just floated their limp. Just swims around.

Comic gold for great pond fish, not for take first. I run a fish rescue and I shake my head every time someone brings me a fish that gets too big. They just great for indoor, outdoor goldfish. how did goldfish live for eight years? Great fish. What is the difference between an indoor and an outdoor fish? I don't understand. Well, I think goldfish, actually, if you let them out, they get really big.

Temperature. Ponds. Like, what do you mean, let them out? What does that mean? Dude, I don't know. I'm just like, the pet smart reviews are like, like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm parents. My parents had a goldfish that lived.

What is an indoor and an outdoor fish? I don't get that. The outdoor fish are probably more able to handle temperature variation. and water stuff. But how would you, how do you own an outdoor fish? Is it in your, you have like a pond in your back? You have it trapped in like a bucket or something. People like, like, people like, like,

so in the East Coast, we have water like, like a lot everywhere. So everybody has ponds? Fresh, fresh. Not everybody, but like some people. There's like pools of water. You have people got coy ponds. Dude, it's like, how common is a coy ponds? Ponds are a thing, man.

Ponds are like. So like, I know, I feel like one in, 500 people have a private boy pond. Probably right. But like people, I know like people... I know people are like bass fishermen in the south will have like ponds on their farm property where they like stock and keep fish, right?

It doesn't feel like enough people have private ponds for there to be indoor and outdoor fish as like a colloquial term. I agree. I think that was more like just like a bit that he was doing. It is a good bit though. But yeah, dude, it's a wild. Or do they just mean outdoor fish

or just fish that are not owned by humans? Is that what he means? No, outdoor fish are fish that you've... It's a fish in a pond. Trapped in a pond. Well, because when you say an outdoor cat, like, I guess that means a cat that, like, that is yours but spends most of its time outside?

Yeah. But a fish, it obviously doesn't work. A fish spends most of his time outside, yeah. Not if you own it. No, I'm just saying... I feel like I'm thinking crazy pills here about the outdoor fish. The fish can't come in. The fish can't decide to come in like cats can.

No, unless you have a... an indoor and outdoor pool or something. I love that. You're like really hung up on the idea of having a fish outside. You guys are all like, yeah, an outdoor fish. How would you do that? How is it possible. Pretty common.

It's like how fish live normally. Right, but you can't own an outdoor fish. Because it's your land, man. You own the fish. Okay. What's the next question? what's the original question I don't know man

it's the ferrets oh hi there just went on that oh yeah would you eat a ferret or have a ferret I think we'd all eat it right yeah I think so but I wouldn't feel good about Is it an outdoor ferret They're all outdoor ferrets

Daniel But last way here we got email from Angola Anjola It's about nervous shit So we're talking about whether nervous poops Are a real thing or not And you know

We resolve this their thing anyway. Angela says, I'm in medical school and I just took one of our big board exams today. I'm going through the exam and it's not a complete disaster. So I'm feeling all right, but this test is really hard. And I get a question about a girl who has depression and she's on drug X and she's been experiencing nausea and occasional vomiting since she started using this drug X. And the question then asks, what receptors does drug X bind to to cause these symptoms? And then I have a that's so raven flashback moment in the middle of my seven-hour exam. And I remember flashback to your stupid podcast talking about nervous shit and the email you got.

Good podcast. Good show. And the email that explained how serotonin is a neurotransmitter involved in anxiety depression that is pretty active in the gut. And I get a big smile on my face and I tick off serotonin receptor among the multiple choice answers. Thank you. I know I didn't get a zero on this test. You guys are making doctors. You're a doctor now.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to the invite to the graduation. Okay, and we will all be wearing white coats as well. Thank you. That's amazing. Incredible. Can't wait to find out who we helped pass the HVAC exam. The freezer exam. Someone like went into HVAC.

The future ice rink builder exam. D.K., that would be a funny. fantasy football last place punishment is you have to take the HVAC exam. You have to learn how your HVAC works. Men, we have to be a certified HVAC. We bring on the show at a later time. Explained it to us. All right, that's all we got.

Thank you, D.K., thank you, Sulek. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, everyone who emailed us at ring your fantasy football at gmail.com. Email us for, I don't know, weird pets you had or football questions or thoughts on peeing. I don't know, whatever you want. Thank you to Jack for pinch hitting. Thank you to Dan Comer for research.

help. Thank you to Tucker. Thank you everyone behind the scenes. And of course, thank you, Lorne. Lord. Lord. Thank you, Santa Gold. What's that? I don't know who that is. I feel like I've heard of a musical artist. Santa Gold. Santa Gold? What is Santa Gold?

It's a musical act. Musical person. Oh, yeah, I think an alternative indie. Quite good. Quite good. You guys would for sure recognize her stuff. Oh, Santa Gold. I thought it was like Santa, Santa. like a play on Santa Claus. I don't know exactly how she pronounces it. It might be Santee Gold.

The name is Santee White. I recognize... Is it a woman? I recognize her lead song, Disparate Youth. Yeah, Desperate Youth, yeah. She's got some bangers. Check it out.

Nice. Good wreck, D.K. Where'd that come from? I don't know. I was listening to her stuff the other day. Shout out Sancy Gold. It's good advice. What a wholesome recommendation.

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