The Ringer NFL Show - Draft Mailbag! Love Vs. Tate, Carson Beck Hate, How Many DKs Can Block Myles Garrett, the Best Feeling in Sports, and Craig's Vegas Check-in

Episode Date: April 15, 2026

The guys hit a loaded mailbag episode—starting with a Bills stadium correction that sparks fan outrage—before diving into draft questions, quarterback debates, and one truly unhinged conversation about the most punchable QB faces of all time. It’s draft takes, chaos, and classic offseason brain all the way through. (00:00) Intro (01:57) Bills Stadium (04:26) Rueben Bain Jr. Update (12:01) Mailbag (01:32:59) Vegas Discord link: https://discord.gg/Ge8bbYHrau Check out The Ringer’s 2026 NFL Draft Guide: https://theringer.com/nfl-draft/2026/big-board#content Email us! [e-mail] Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Austin Gayle, Abou Kamara, Carlos Chiriboga, and Cameron Dinwiddie Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

with the Ringer NFL Draft Show. My name is Danny Hick-Horkel. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Coralbeck, who is in Las Vegas, baby. Having a blast here for CinemaCon. You know, that's why you go to Vegas for CinemaCon, for movies, for the movies. CinemaCon isn't that in the studio? It is in this.

You're talking about the television show, the studio. Yeah. Yes, it is. There is two episodes about them going to CinemaCon. That's right. With Matt Bellany as the villain of those two episodes. Who are you are with right now? That's right.

Well, not right the second, but yes. Craig just revealing to us once the show came, I was like, by the way, I had to record some lines for Seth Rogen's show with Matt. And I was like, okay, I can't believe you fucking kept that to yourself. Thanks, Craig. And not my voice wasn't in the show. I recorded lines for Matt. Yeah. Anyway, we're going to go through a mailbag here with just a bunch of random thoughts on the draft, questions about players, teams, needs, all those bills fans pissed that we keep thinking that they're building a dome.

They're not. I love it. I'll never get it right. I will say it. It did not sound right to me. No, no, no. I can't tell you remember they are. You could see my incredibility there.

Why don't you speak up then? Saying I thought it was wrong, but did nothing about it. More than someone being like, oh, yeah, like a week later. I actually, I thought you guys were wrong. It sounds like something I would say, frankly. You're above that. I can't start an argument with you guys every episode, right? It's not an argument.

You could have just Googled it. That's not an argument. Here's the deal. I didn't care that much. Well, let me tell you, the Bill's fans. I asked for mailbag questions. We got far more bill. Bill's fans being like, it's not a dome, you idiots.

So it is fully open. I'll get to it in a moment. Anyway, we'll get, should we just do it now? Corrections at the top, like responsible. We don't bury corrections. We put them right at the beginning here. We said they're building a dome. We've acknowledged it.

To summarize 200 emails, they're building a canopy over the stands, but the field will be open, kind of like a soccer stadium. And Bill's fans are kind of pissed because it's taking a long time. Obviously, it's shocking. It's more money than it costs. But the problem is, I guess, is the stadium actually is in the part of Buffalo gets the most snow in the entire, like there are times that people will get six inches of snow in downtown Buffalo, but the stadium will get 10 feet.

It's in like the most lake effect, lake effect part of it's no vortex. I mean, it's right next to the old bill stadium, right? It's like a thousand feet away. Yes, but it's anyway, it's, they're going to get a lot of. But it's designed to protect the fans, but the players will still get snowed on. Yes, and they will not be able to have concerts there. Like, it's not going to be a multi-use facility. Like, it will have snow.

Kind of awesome. Do you think the fans are? What percentage of fans, like diehards are like, if they're getting, if my, if Josh Allen's getting snowed on, I want to get snowed on. And what percentage you think is like, I'm happy that I won't be freezing in snow during these games? They're probably pissed. They don't have to go help shovel anymore before the games. They have to volunteer to come in to shovel the snow. As somebody who doesn't live in Buffalo has never experienced that, I can't tell if that's like a sneaky joy where it's like, no, no, you don't get it.

It's part of it. Or if they're like, I'd love to get rid of freezing my ass off every game. I don't know. We'll see. Well, it's not a dome. So, correction, there you go. We don't bury corrections. We put them at the top.

We're not afraid. Okay. We're going to get to the mailbag and just remember, we're going to do the take purge next week as well. So please keep emailing your purges. The take, you know, we're suspending all professional credibility. So we've gotten some excellent ones so far. And please keep sitting there. Are we going to read a few on the take purge?

Should we read the three best listener purges? Oh, absolutely. We might get enough. There's a chance we have to do a follow-up mini purge like again. Just fan only purge. We might have to, Craig's going to do his like insider insider mock draft, but we might have to, we have a lot of purges that are pretty good. Speaking of, I've kind of, I've begun reaching out to my sources and let's just say,

there's a lot out there. You just got to go grab it. And I'm grabbing. Okay. Well, I can't wait. My mock will be robust and juicy. We're going to get you two phones for that. Yeah, I might need a third.

I need a head. I'm looking to get a headset, so we'll see. The article old. Okay. Before we get to the mailback, I want to get to this piece of news. So this Ali Connolly, who actually, a substack, we were talking about two weeks ago, because I think it is the best substack name of anything. It's called read optional.

Yeah, it's good. Which say what you want about the Ali Connell is reporting this week. That is certainly the best name you can have for a football-related substack. It's really good. That's not up for debate. Yeah. But it came out, like this pretty serious report came out. So Ruben Bain, and I'm just going to read directly from Olli's article this week at his substack.

I'm just going to read a pretty long section quoting it. But he says, so Ruben Bain was involved in a fatal traffic collision in Miami in March 2024. According to records and reports reviewed by the read optional, the incident has not been previously reported. Bain, then a sophomore at the University of Miami, was driving on Interstate 95 in Miami at 4 a.m. on March 17, 2024, when his vehicle struck another car before careening into concrete barrier. on both sides of the highway, according to police crash records reviewed by the read optional. One of four passengers in Bain's car, Destiny Bets, a 22-year-old college student from Georgia, who was visiting Miami for spring break, suffered incapacitating injuries and was rushed to the

rider trauma center from the scene. She never regained consciousness. Betts died on June 13, 2024, after spending almost three months in a coma. The police crash report states that Bain, quote, operated his vehicle in a careless or negligent manager, end quote, from the police report. And then the read optional post continues that no field sobriety test was administered at the scene. This is just my words, not Ali Connollies, but I just want to note, March 17th, 24th. So that's St. Patrick's Day.

So it's Sunday morning, but this is 4 a.m. on the Saturday night into Sunday morning of St. Patrick's Day weekend in Miami. And there was no field sobriety test administered, which I think is notable. And then Ali Connolly had another post that just basically said Rubin Bain was again, incited for Careless Driving again in 2025. The other thing I wanted to note is, again, in this article, Ali Connolly has a statement from the family of the young woman who passed, and the family statement said that destiny's passing was the result of a tragic accident that occurred several years ago. While the loss remains incredibly painful for our family, we have worked hard to find peace

and move forward. At this time, we are not seeking public attention surrounding this tragedy and respectfully request that our family's privacy be honored. We also wish Mr. Bayne the best as he continues his last. and career, end quote. Lots to take from this. I don't know. It was a whole thing about this,

about, well, NFL teams are aware of this. To be honest, I didn't know about it. I feel like most people following the draft, covering the draft, this was kind of news to like a lot of people. And then there was some people were like, well, teams are aware of it. I never really know the right way to go from,

here's this unspeakable tragedy where this young woman lost her life. Anyway, Do you think Washington's going to take Rubin Bain at seven? I never really know the right way to do that. But to be honest, I don't think teams give a shit about it. But it's horrible. I mean, it's a horrible story.

Yeah. I mean, again, totally agree. Hard to talk about this just from a football point of view. But I saw some reporting from CBS's Jonathan Jones that said that basically teams consider this a matter handled. Yeah. Which to me is the way that that wording is, kind of put down is that they don't this doesn't really affect his draft you know prospects or whatever so obviously it's not a criminal case at least right now and it feels like for

unfortunately or however you you view this like it's probably not going to affect what happens to him on draft day the dirty truth is that teams actually care more about whether he would have lied to them about the incident that actually committing the incident themselves because they're basically they're i think danaful team's policies you have to be honest with us if not the police or other people. Matter handled is a good way to put it. I got to tell you, of all the scandal involved here, I think the fact that there was no field sobriety test administered is to me,

that actually is the story. I don't know what happened here, obviously, but all these teams have a Ray Donovan or whatever, a fixer who's, you know, a big Dom. And we joke about Big Dom, but Big Dom's job really is head of securities to have relationships with police in the city and locally and to scout these guys and all these colleges obviously do too.

I don't know what happened here, agents, whatever. But reading the story that was honest. Firstly, my big takeaway was there was a car crash that someone ended up in a coma on the Saturday night, Sunday morning of St. Patrick's State 4 in the morning, and they didn't do a field sobriety test. Unfortunately, that happens all the time. I know a couple of stories about guys in college who did some crazy things and cops turned the other way. And that's how it goes, unfortunately. Yeah. So I don't really have anything particularly insightful to say.

It's very sad that this woman died and the teams don't care. And I wish I had something more eloquent to say. I think it's crazy that no one knew this. I know the teams are claiming they did. I'm surprised that this had not come out. Yeah, me too. Yeah, there's probably a whole media thing to do on that. I'll leave that to the press box and Brian Curtis.

Sure. I don't know. Do youke, anything? You're the wiser one. Anything you want to say about this? I wish I had something smarter or wiser to add. No, it was one of those classic situations, though, where after this was reported and it came out from Ollie's story that,

And then all the, all the big reporters came out and said, yeah, yeah, we've, we've known about this for months. It's like, oh, okay. Thanks. Nobody said anything? Nobody wanted to say anything? Kind of a weird, kind of a weird thing that happens. But yeah, basically, teams have known about this. That's not coming to, as a surprise to them.

I think, you know, in the story, it's rough. The Laramie Tunsel situation was mentioned in the story, basically comparing the surprise that teams felt during when that happened. just to totally different. Well, just to recap that because I hate to age ourselves, but that was like 11 years ago. So Laramie Tunsell was basically the top tackle in that draft. And then the day of the draft, he was going to be the first pick of the draft,

wasn't he? Yeah, he was. He was up maybe. Very, very, very high in the 2015 draft. And Larry Me Tunsel, a video came out of him in a gas mask bong, which for people probably have Craig's nice generation is something we probably knew existed and you can buy it.

I know, you want to talk about like, what's age of the worst? Is like that being a massive, massive scandal? Like, you know, I get to a degree, but like, okay. But also. But also, it's a good mix of weed at that time. I mean, now it's, like, actually legal and fine.

But, like, a decade ago, the combination of weed, but also, it just looked crazy. Like, he's wearing gas. But it's like, it's just a novelty item. You can buy in a beachfront store for, like, $11. Yeah. He looked like he was in, like, SWAT gear smoking. Yeah. You look, it's like you're like either, like, a gas mask bomb makes you look somewhere

between the Illuminati and, like, terrorist drugs. Like, it's actually insane. What year was that? 2015, I think. But it's, like, imagine trying to explain to, like, Jerry Jones would a gas mask. Besson is. You can actually efficiently get high that way. It's actually better.

It's funny because like you're at the beach. It's a cleaner filter, really. Exactly. It's, I feel like 2016 on the public, I guess, perception or reaction to weird stuff, like, you know what I mean? We've just been inundated with stuff since 2016. What happened in 2016? I'm picking that date out of thin air.

There's nothing that, you know, that happened in particular that year. Nothing matters 2016 on. At that point in 2015, though, this was like a 2016, craziest year in sports of our lifetime. Everything fucking hit. Crazy's craziest year of our lifetime, I would argue. That probably should be the smartest analysis we have with all news. It's like, yeah, this probably doesn't.

There's no one, this probably will be forgotten. Yeah. All right. Let's get to the mailback. Oh, yeah. Sorry, Craig's like, Jesus, guys, make the vibes worse. He's like, yeah. Craig's like, I'm in Vegas.

Can we fucking pick it up a little here? Okay. So, when we get to the mailbag, harsh vibes pivot here. Thank you to everyone emailed in at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. And again, please email your take purges and everything else for the draft. But I want to start with a great thing we got here from Daniel. DeBone.

Danny. Okay. I thought you were to say something. Craig. It's on vacation. Honestly, I was looking at that Esquire cover of Fernando Mendoza. Oh, yeah. That one.

Took your breath away. Yeah. Because I'm in his city, you know what I mean? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. This is my fucking city. Daniel writes for breakfast today had a glass of water. Okay. Okay.

Okay, King. Okay, trims. Snatched King. So Daniel writes, my thesis is that the 2026 quarterback class has the highest percentage of quarterbacks with extremely punchable faces of any quarterback class in the history of the NFL. Okay. And when I say punchable, I'm purely referring to the fact that when you look at this guy's face, it unlocks a primal urge to punch that guy in the face.

Sure. And out of the quarterbacks you guys discussed in the podcast, in my opinion, the only ones that don't have punchable faces are Ty Simpson and Taylor and Thalen Green. But Fernando Mendoza, Garrett and Osmeyer, Drew Aller and Carson Beck, regardless of how much I may like their game, their faces scream that they need to be punched. First of all, I'm shocked that he doesn't think Ty Simpson has a punchable face.

I mean, look, I have a punchable, I have a punchable face, so I can say stuff like this. You were podcasters. Yeah. I have a face for radio. I got to say, I think Carson Beck is clear 101. Carson Beck, so I actually put way too much effort to do this. Undoubtedly.

First of all, Daniel here ranked the guys in this class. Carson Beck, Nussmeier, Drew Allen, Mendoza. I'm sending guys, I made a Google Doc, and I'm going to send it to you guys right now. But I actually put their faces in a dock and then don't scroll down too far because I'm going to send it to you right now. But I did a bunch of research, but I want to start this class. I do think Carson Beck has like Hall of Fame, punchable face. Yeah, that's been a that's been a storyline. for a while.

Bad face. And he's got the punchable to Durnal thing. So Mendoza though kind of does too. I think he does a little bit. I don't know if we want to try to get into the actual reasons why someone has a bunch of face

because I'm not even sure I know. It's like you know it when you see it. Pornography. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know when I see it. Drew Aller, it's the hair. It's the hair for Drew. I agree.

Because he's doing the Jake Paul, Logan Paul hair, but as a brunette, which, man, that's somehow more punchable. Brunette. I think Nussmeyer's the only one I quibble with. Nussmire feels like your friend. Maybe it's just because he looks to me like he's 34 years old.

He looks like a coach. He looks like honestly, if I told you, hey, look, is that crazy? That's Clint Kubiak? You'd be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I totally believe. Like, he looks like it gets a bit of Cleveland. Especially next to Drew Aller, like these guys look like they're about 15 years apart. Drew Aller looks high school. How big and strong he is?

He looks like he's 17 years old. Drew Aller looks like he could be 16. I agree. He could go to driving test. He could go to a driver's school. Wouldn't be weird. And then Nussmeyer, if you're listening right now, don't know what Clint Kubiak looks like,

I could just convince you that's him. For sure. So he's Sean Maynian, I'd be like, yeah. Yeah, sure. Is this guy, Daniel, whoever sent this email, is he an Alabama fan? Why is Tyson escaping this conversation? He looks a little bit to me like Eli Manning.

I'm going to send this to you. I mean, there's some punchability. What are you saying? Eli Manning's punchable? Yes. So here's my, he does look a little. He looks like Daniel Jones,

Eli. Here's my question. Daniel Jones. He does, yeah. I wanted to address the most punchable class of all time in quarterbacks.

I only went 21st century because, you know, I don't know. I feel like I can't assess the punchability of someone in the 90s, 80s. I feel like it changed.

Different time. Yeah. Wait, so you have a different class that is more punchable than this one? I want to talk to you guys about other punchable classes.

So I think. Honestly, have to start 2013 Geno Smith, Mike Glenn, and Matt Parkley, because Gina Smith actually got punched in the face by a TV. So I have to start there. But I think 2010, Sam Bradford, Tim

Tebow, Jimmy Claus and Colt McCoy. Sam Bradford, I think, has a punch in her face. Sam Bradford, for I mean, if you Google Sam Bradford and just look at the images, every one of him, every image of him throwing, he looks like he's about to get hit by a train.

But like he the shock and fear on his in his eyes is palpable. It's, I mean, you can feel it. I don't know. The way that he makes his face while he's throwing, it's never going to leave my memory. All right.

I got a couple challenges here, though. Can I give you, can I offer you 2019, Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones, Drew Locke, Will Greer, Easton Stick, Jared Stidham? Drew Locke is a very punchable face. I will not argue that for a moment. Kyler, I, let's this Sam Bradford fiction. I'm sorry.

Sam Bradford's crazy. Craig, that's a good one. You guys got to look at these. Google Sam Bradford throwing and just look at his eyes. You got to do it. I'm not kidding. Pause the show. He does look crazy in all these photos.

It's hilarious. I remember this so vividly from early in his career. I'm like, does he just looks like this every time he throws a football? Anyway, continue. What were you saying, Hyvitz? So, no, well, no, I think that's a good point about Bradford. So do you think that's punchable or not? I don't know about punchable.

All right. So maybe that's out. So here's the other one, Craig. 2019's good. 2014. He's about to get punched. Blake Bordels, Johnny Mansell, Teddy Bridgewater, couldn't punch him. But Derrickard, Jimmy Garapolo.

Oh, that's up there. That's not punchable? Too hot. He's punchable because you're jealous. Too hot. Yeah. Yeah. You just want to be.

He just, Mr. Stoll your girl. I think these guys are punchable in personality, but not in face. I think Manzell, Bordels, Derrick, Jimmy, G. I know too much about them. So that's why I want to punch him. So I want to give you the one that I think is the most punchable of all time. And it's obvious. Now you can scroll down to this doc I said.

You go to the bottom. I think it's 2004. It's Eli Manning, Phil Rivers, and Rothesberger. Look at these guys in college. Dude, Phil Rivers in particular. Rothesberger. I think Phil Rivers at NC State is the most punchable quarterback in the 21st century. Look at his face in college.

What year was Rothesberger drafted? 0-4. They're all 0-4. Oh, yeah. Sorry, duh. It's like the 0-3-8. NBA draft where it's like LeBron, you know, Wade, Dwayne Wade, all these guys. It's like the Rothesberger like tiny little just chin strap goate. And Matt Schaub also quietly,

very punchable face in that draft. I think that that's the, I think that's the most punchable face. Yeah, who is this person on the bottom? That's Matt Schaub. I don't recognize this person. Phil, look at Phil Rivers in NC State. Speaking of Phil Rivers, and Sam Bradford and Phil Rivers throwing face are up there as the two greatest of all times. I think is has very powerful. multiple things. You're right. Can you Google Phil Rivers throwing? Imagine that guy coming up to you and be like, you like that? Oh my gosh. Dang gummit. Dude gummit. Shoot. You couldn't hit the broad side of a bar and a whole back. Shoot. Shoot. Oh, my God. I feel you like apples? Yeah, I do. Thank you for asking. Anyway.

Yeah, Rathisberger is holding a lot. I mean, he's doing a lot of work. Big Ben's facial hair situation. is a mess. That is a disaster. It's like a half-goatie. It's just the bottom coming up, but it's like coming up, but it stops. Guys, I hate to tell you this. I was in college during this era, and this was what a lot of dudes were rocking at the time. Just the little chin-strap goat. Ugh.

It's no good. No. Okay. So I'm glad we got to settle. Match jobs. This is the second most punchable quarterback class. Okay. Face only.

No offense to their games. Okay. So now into an important, well, a less important question, but this is from Morgan. Morgan. M. Bone. This was a take purge. I didn't really think it was take purge enough. They sent it as a purge.

I just thought it was like a point. And I wanted to ask it to you, D.K. Morgan writes that Carson Beck should be an NFL starting quarterback and it drives me crazy. Nobody's talking about it. Carson Beck is basically this year's Bo Necks. You want an experienced starter who can play under the bright lights, knows how to run an offense. Carson Beck's your guy. The interceptions to end the game thing is crazy overblown.

It's like if your team's behind. and you're running out of time, you're going to try to make big time throws, and that's just where, like, interceptions might happen. Also, Morgan basically says that me constantly making fun of all of Carson Beck's

snapschats are ridiculous because do you think these other quarterbacks have not been sending snaps at their dicks to women in college because you're wrong? The Drew Aller allegations. The Drew Aller allegations were brought to my taste.

Drew, it's tough because the Allergations, if you will. The allegation, true allegations. It's tough because there are That got me, Craig. Everyone is, Photoshopped a Snapchat of some kind of

quarterback sending it to someone. The Drew Aller one seems the most realistic, but also I do think that one's Photoshop, but also it's harrowing. I'll let everyone discover it on the round. Okay, so this guy's contention is that Carson Beck, sorry, Morgan. Should be a starter. Carson Beck is basically as a third round pick is the perfect third-round quarterback, and he can be

a starter. The question is, is does Carson Beck just suffering from bad PR? And bad face? Bad face? Yeah, I think so. I think there's at least a strong chance of that. People that have a bad face and have done things that sort of infamous things in their private life, I think it, you know, they're going to get down. They're going to get downgraded a little bit.

If you look at what he's done in the field, though, I think 43 starts does stand out to me in a draft where Ty Simpson's got 15 and he's talking about it as a first round pick. I kind of understand this take. Carson Beck has, he has ideal size or at least close to prototypical size. He has a pretty good arm. again, big game experience. I agree actually with the contention that, like especially that that pick against Indiana, that kind of sealed the national championship game.

I'm like, they're trying to go down the field and score. He's got to push the ball down the field. There's not that much time left. The decision making is, is a issue, but I mean. On and off. I think the thing with Carson Beck, and I said this on the quarterback episode, and I'll reiterate it.

I think the question is he doesn't have, well, he actually does have the size. I think Carson Beck's 6, 5, like, I mean, he's two, I don't say 3-20. Bow nix is mobile. Carson Beck doesn't run. Exactly. And I think that the other thing is that, you know, it's a cliche, but 90% of the time, 95% of the time of the quarterback, you ask the teammates and they're like, oh my God, he's a leader. I'd run through a wall for him. You do that. And you most of the time, you're like, yeah, of course they're going to say that. Like, why do you ask the question? And the, and you ask the question because one out of 20 times, like, yeah, yeah, good guy. And that's it. And I think that Carson, and it's, I think that Carson, I think. I think teams are wondering, like Georgia didn't really see, the players didn't really seem to like Carson Beck. At Miami, they obviously did because they were winning, but like Carson Beck through teammates under the bus in the middle of the season when they lost. I think that to me, like, doesn't the comparison stop after it's like they both played a lot of games and were productive?

It's like, I agree. Bo Nix is like a more dynamic player. Like even his college stats were better. Like he had a better. And he's a better arm. Yeah, better arm. He had like just more production, better completion percentage, more touchdowns, better touchdowns, better touchdown interception ratio and is way, way, way more mobile. And Carson Beck got Tommy John

And I was number one I don't know about boomer Bo Nix's arm Because he was so old But like he threw like a third of his passes Behind the line of scrimmage But like we've seen Bo Nix does have at times Has had incredible throws in the NFL But so I agree

Maybe we're only saying this Because Bo Nix has been successful in the NFL And the opinion we had of Bo Nix coming out of college Maybe that should be how we feel about Carson Beck coming out of college But it's hard to separate now That Bo Nix has been pretty successful

Yeah totally So yeah, I think Carson, I think he's third round pick, that's fine. And if you want to do late second, sure. Do you think if he looked like Chris Pine, he would be a first round pick, DK? Yes. Second rounder. Yes. You do?

He looked like Jimmy Garapolo. Is he a first round pick? No, no, no. Yes. No, he's a second round pick. I do think a full round higher. It would help. It would help a little.

If you think that doesn't change stuff, man. Dude, welcome to the world. If Jimmy G looked like Carson Beck, he's, not a second round pick. He's not in the league. He's not a second round pick. That is fact. Craig, if you didn't look like you look, where would we be? Oh, please. That's what I always wonder. Yeah, that's true. Would it be on fucking Netflix? We weren't on video for five years, you know?

Ted Serendos in a meeting. He didn't let us. I don't know. Okay. Email here. We got an email from Ryan. Rye guy. Our bone. Can you guys just refer to Trey Hendrickson as Min Crosby from now on? Min Crosby? Max Crosby and then Min Crosby. Oh. I think that's just a yes. I think that's great. We Transnuchin's Minn Crosby.

I like it. Two ends, the two ends. Like, I know that. Yeah, two ends. It's two ends. It's two X's. It's Minim Crosby.

Minimum Crosby. Minimum Crosby. I think that's great. Yeah. I like this just a yes. We got this one from Rob, but we actually got multiple Titans fans sent in a version of this question.

I'm going to read Rob's. All right. So Rob's breakfast. Arbon. My breakfast was a homemade egg and cheese sandwich, two eggs over medium with melted cheddar, toasted rye bread, and a quart of cold brew coffee.

A quart of cold brew. How much is a quart again? That's enough to get you going. Cold brew is more powerful than regular. Cold brew feels especially just. That's like what Van Lathan was doing when he thought cold brew was weaker, so he drank more of it, and then he couldn't really sit still for a two-hour show.

hearts having palpitations. Also, who says court? I don't know. I don't know. Maybe that's what it comes in, Craig. A court is fucking gigantic. A court of cold brew is like you're a truck driver. That's what, like, that's insane.

I'm just trying to get through this. A court is 32 ounces. That's long. That's fucking crazy. So it's what, four cups of, how much is a Trenta at Starbucks? 30 ounces. So this is more than a Trenta of, cold brew. That's fucking psychotic.

Wow. Ry guy, Rob, email and tell us what you do for work. You better have a newborn or that's insane. The breakfast. How many ounces are in a now gene? Nalgines are old, bro. First, so they smell awful and like they spill. I can never drink analogy. Remember the algin

craze? I'm going to be 100% honest with you guys. I don't know what that is. It's a original water bottle of 2010 is defining water bottle. Oh my God. Now you've seen them a hundred times. spell now n-al-g-e-n-e it's it was like the water bottle before the water bottle praise what have you been oh yeah i know these but i didn't know the name of them i could never

the mouth was too big so i would spill on myself because there was so much water it's yeah yeah it really took a while for us to figure out like how to construct the top of a water bodwala oh my god this is i will do anything for this thing okay easy this is this is the perfect water bottle that that was that was not an advertisement no we got no money for that but On Walla, hit me up. Anyway, Rob's question. My point was, by the way, that 32 ounces is the most popular size of an algae. Think about drinking a fucking nowgene of coffee in the morning.

Of cold brew. Cold brew. Insane. That's kind of awesome. That's a lot. vibrating. Crazy. Sometimes the breakfast thing, I can't even get past it.

Anyway. Are we in a caffeine? Are we in a bad place right now as a society with caffeine? I feel like people now are, I have 500 milligrams of, caffeine today. Craig, you are as I drink coffee. As I drink coffee. I was considering for the take, purge. Okay. We drink too much coffee?

I think caffeine's out of fucking control, man. It's crazy how much I have. I had no, my brother revealed to me that on work trips sometimes, that he'll be, my brother's delves past. There's a certain line of normal, quote unquote, energy drinks. And then there's like, yeah, it's almost like

porn. There's like back in the day you have like a red line which was like gasoline in a can. But there's a certain point with like energy drinks or porn where you cross a certain threshold you have no idea what's out there you can't even imagine how weird energy drinks are porn and it's just it gets weird man and there's a whole subculture you've never even heard of of energy drinks well there's like also there's a whole like pre-workout culture as well yes i remember back in the day in high school and stuff you know kids i played sports with were like drinking like c4 do you remember that oh oh i do

remember that which is just like a four loco without the alcohol i think What if there's twice as much energy? No alcohol anyway. Yeah. Okay, so Rob's question. It's called C4 for fuck sake. It's named after an explosive. Didn't Stephen A. Smith come by the ringer table to plug C4?

What was the energy drink? I forget. Anyway. Oh, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, what's, there's the energy drink. Bang energy. Is creatine in it?

Like, we're, dude. We're in uncharted territory. Anyway. I'm just saying, like, people are having like 400 milligrams before noon. It's like, oh, yeah, I have a Celsius to wake up. It's like the Wolf of Wall Street. Leo, but it's just caffeine. Everything is just caffeine.

It's like, I have a Celsius to wake me up. I have a coffee to wake me up even more. I have a cold brew to wake me up again. He's snorting coffee off of a woman's, you know what. It's just, it's a friend who watched that movie with her dad. It was the opening scene. Anyway, Rob's question. Right.

Right. I forgot what we were doing. Rob's question, you guys briefly talked about Colonel Tate, the receiver from Iowa State, going to the Titans with the number four pick and you basically said they shouldn't take them. Why not? Did I say that? I feel like I said we didn't think they would.

No, I think they should. Rob's question of many other people's question was, why should the Titans not take Colonel Tate number four? If Jeremiah Love is a running back, why wouldn't they? You don't think they... I think it would be a good move if they did. I think the question was,

would you rather have them take an edge rusher or a receiver? And I maybe leaned edge rusher slightly. Well, I think you said if David Bailey was there, Right. But let's say it just starts like this. Let's say the draft starts with Mendoza of the Raiders, Arvel Reese from Ohio State to the Jets, and then let's say the Cardinals take David Bailey

at Texas Tech number three. What do you think the Titans? If you were running the Titans, what would you do it for? I would not have a problem with them taking Carnal Tate at that spot, personally. But you would have a problem with Jeremiah Love? Yes. That's crazy with me.

I want to just, where have you been? Why have you not learned this lesson yet, Craig? So I want to explain this. What good is, car or what good is forget jeremiah love going to have on this team i i think the the effect of jeremiah love would be similar or like if not i could the ceiling is higher i feel like for what jeremiah love could do to the titans compared to carnell tate carnell tate is not the fourth best player in the draft jeremiah love is maybe the best player in the draft and to me that's the difference is like

sure the value of the position running back first wide receiver but like getting the best player in the draft at four and then you can take a wide receiver in the second round. To me, I would rather do that than the opposite, which is Carnell Tate at four and then get like a third round running back. I have Carnell Tate as my number five player for what it's worth. And Jeremiah Love as my number three player. I think just the value of receiver is so much better, so much, so much greater. And then you can get into a whole like contract discussion if you want where Jeremiah Love comes in. He's immediately one of the highest paid receiver or running backs in the NFL versus Carnell Tate. You get on a, five year deal, four and a half year, five year deal,

or whatever it is, four years plus the first year thing, whatever, the fifth year option. And then you're saving like $20 million a year. It's like crazy how much you save if he turns out to be a good player. Like there's that whole story too, that whole part of the discussion. That's the thing I want to explain because I think that over the next couple weeks, we might talk about this. You're going to hear about this a lot if you care about the draft is the whole value thing.

And I actually want to explain what we mean because I actually think we're at the point where no one explains it anymore, what we're talking about. Right. And it's not that complicated. Certain positions are paid more on the quote-unquote free market. It's not really a free market in the NFL, but certain positions are paid more.

And to put a number on it, I think the franchise tag is a good example. Because the franchise tag is the average of the top five salaries at a position. So the franchise tag this year at running back is $14 million. But if you want a franchise tag, a receiver, like Breez-Haw got the tag. It's about $14 million. George Pickens got the tag as a receiver.

That's $28 million. So the point is the NFL pays wide receivers about twice as much, at least for top-end talent. Quarterbacks get the tag is like Daniel Jones about $45 million, which is like three times what a running back is. So a top, and that's really even higher than that. So a top-end running back is worth a third of a quarterback. A top-end receiver is worth a half of a quarterback. Here's what we talk about the value thing. And I actually don't think we explain this enough.

All the rookies are paid based on where they picked. So the number one pick in the draft, Renando Mendoza, he's going to get paid $55 million over four years to be the Raiders quarterback. If the Raiders said, fuck it and took Jeremiah Love anyway, he's getting the same exact contract, dollar for dollar, word for word is Mendoza. Literally, you can look it up, Google it. I have the Titans pick at number four is going to get $48,746,540 over four years. He would be the seventh highest paid running.

if Jeremiah Love went forth. I don't want to say that I don't think they should take Cardinal Tate because I'm out of the belief that if they think Kim, where does the guy, you have your guy and you want to start giving him offensive pieces. So I think Cardinal Tate, I think they should take an offensive skill player. I think they should take Cardinal Tate or Jeremiah Lov

instead of like a pass rusher because I think you need to, this is year two now. I think you need to start building around your quarterback. They don't have anybody. There's really no dependable offensive skill player that you like. And I don't think you can do two years. years without somebody for Cam Ward to support. But I understand all that. I guess it's just like, it's risk assessment. It's like, well, do you think Jeremiah Love is going to be a top five

running back in the NFL and a huge difference maker? Maybe he is worth the money. What are the odds that Carnell Tate is a top 15 wide receiver in the NFL? If it's pretty low in your mind, maybe you should take Jeremiah Love. But if it's pretty high, then it's a good bet to take Carnell Tate. If you think Cornell Tate is fine, are you really taking him at four over Jeremiah I love just because it's a better deal? I mean, this is, I mean, this is, like the exact conversation we have every year with running backs. And I understand it. I totally get it. But I just think if you look historically at the value that these running backs bring to the overall offense, it's just not going to elevate the offense. I think every team is bespoke. Like, I think

the Raiders taking Gentile last year made no sense. I think, you have a, like, I think, I think the commanders taking Jeremiah Love makes sense. Like, I, I feel like there are certain teams at different stages of their life cycle and the commanders into a degree not in tennessee not as much so but like would you have a problem dk if the commanders took jeremiah i love three picks later see that and and that's where i've said that that's the first spot where i can talk start talking myself into it because they one what do they win 12 games two years ago like there's it's not like they're rebuilding you know and they have a they have a quarterback who's already proven himself to be one of the top tier quarterbacks i don't know if we know that with cam ward right now

And we won't know if he has no good players around him. I was, yeah, I was going to say, I think at that point that's, it's funny you say that, D.K., that's what all the Titans said emailed about was, to paraphrase them. If it's okay at seven, why is it not okay at four? And why do the Washington fans get to have fun, but we don't? Why do we have to eat our vegetables in Washington? I agree.

I agree. You just have candy and ice cream for dinner. That's really what the Titans fans are saying, is like, why the fuck can't we have fun and get to hate or love? So here's the other question, because the Titans fan has this too, and I thought this was compelling. Elliot said, basically, why should the Titans not just draft the Penn State Guard, Vega, Yuwane with the fourth pick. Everyone agrees you should invest in offensive line

of protecting on quarterback. Everyone agrees the Titans need interior offensive line help. Everyone agrees that Yuanne is in a tier by himself in terms of offensive linemen interior like guards. Yonai is in his own tier as a guard. And some people think that Yuanai might be the easiest or like the best offensive lineman in the draft regard to this position. At worst, Yuanne seems like a plug and play above average starter from day one. Taking a guard seems more sense positionally values than a running back. And this doesn't even bring up how high Hyphitz keeps bringing up about the interior pressure and how much it matters for a young quarterback to develop without having interior pressure.

So why should the Titans, and I will throw on the Giants, not just take Vega, you want it? I think it makes more sense. Yeah. So if the Giants took, you do the draft grades for the ring, NFLDraft.com. If the Giants took Jeremiah Love at number five, or let's say the Titans or the Giants took, Jeremiah Love or Vega you want it? What grade are you going to give? I mean, I think it would be higher than them taking a running back, but

that way. I think because I think it is more long term and we talk about this all the time building from the trenches it actually matters a lot more for the health of the offense to have an offensive alignment. Then he can open up like run lanes for whoever they end up having like Tony Pollard. He doesn't suck.

You know, put him back there. That's fine. They're already paid for him. And same with like Camp Scadawu. I just think it's such a it is such a misuse of resources to have a running back that high. on a team that's not ready to compete. Not ready to win their division.

Look, as a giant, again, I've said this before, I'll say it again. I do want in some level, I want the giants to just, I want to close, I'd be like, I want to lecture them, be like, wag my finger. Be like, it's not financially, fiscally responsible to you're running back. I want to close my eyes and then I want them to do it. So I can move for Jeremy, I love. That seems way more fun. But Yuan is the same thing.

I mean, there's like seven guards that make over $20 million a year. I think there's what, one running back? And I think maybe two. But look at the bears, what you're able to do when they go and get Jonah Jackson and showed Tune a guard. And then you have, look, Kyle Mununga, is a seventh round pick

at running back looks fantastic. It's hard, but we've seen over and over. First round running backs don't look great behind seventh round guards. And sometimes I'm like, it's that simple. Yeah, I think,

I feel like drafting an offensive lineman, like anywhere is okay. That is just kind of like you can't go broke, making a profit. Like the Titans taking an offense or the giants or whoever taking like a guard or any, even if it's a guard, you still can't be like upset about it,

although you're paying them a lot of money. Because like, yeah, look, you are building around the offensive line and supporting your quarterback. So I want to read an email here from Keaton, which is a good follow up to this. DK, I'm giving this to you. Keaton, Keaton, K, Boone.

Michael Keaton. Michael Keaton. DK., should teams just draft linemen, offensive defense linemen only? Does anything else matter? No, I think they should, yeah. I have wondered about this forever. Yeah.

You just only line. trade for receivers and corners and safety and you just sign linemen. If this was Ender's game and you were just, you took all the humanity out of it and played game theory, part of me is like, if you just took seven linemen a year and then we're like just like I will trade them

for other positions, I feel like that would probably be the most efficient thing. Like even quarterbacks get traded more than fucking left tackles. Yeah. This is like Bill taking five quarterbacks and fantasies. Like, I'll just trade them. Except imagine if in setting one

quarterback, you'd to start five quarterbacks in a league. And you're like, I'll, yeah, I just, part of me is like, yeah, maybe. I think it's harder to find, it's harder to put together an offensive line than almost anything in football, I feel like. It's quarterbacks are the hardest to find. And then fielding an offensive line is the second hardest thing to do. Hence why I, if the Eagles fall apart this year, and I'm not, Eagles fans hate us already, it's fine.

They hate me. But if the Eagles fall apart this year without Jeff Stoutland and then Jeff Stoutland's contract up, I just feel like a bidding war for a 70-year-old offensive line guru would be the funniest thing ever. Like, everyone's just fighting over themselves. There should be a reality show where he asked, it's like The Bachelor, but for stuff. The Bachelor, fix a team. It's his different teams showing up and flirting with him.

And he sends one home each week. That'd be great. Come meet the family. It's like, here's the home visit with Jim Harbaugh and Mike McDaniel. Okay. You want a really dumb one or a trade conversation? I want to stay in the weeds. Let's do trade.

Ooh. Okay. This one is from Calvin with a K. Ooh. K-bone. All right. Which player do you think is a higher chance of being traded on draft day? Max Crosby or Dexter Lawrence, D.K.

Max Crosby, I suppose, since he's already been traded. They're very clearly willing to trade this guy. Broke to seal already. Yeah. It's like who's more likely to cheat, the guy who's already cheated or the guy who hasn't cheated? Okay. I don't know. But yeah, I think probably Max Crosby.

What do you think? Are the Johnson's going to play a hardball? It's funny. probably overthinking it because I was like, well, they'll probably wait till Crosby can pass a physical and try to get picks next year. I got to tell you, though, I keep, this is not going to happen, but I do just keep wondering if the Rams just trade that 13th pick for Max Crosby. Everyone's like, oh, they'll take Mike Crosby.

I'm like, I don't know. Max Crosby got traded. Like, if you're the Rams, like, just give them the 13th pick. They're like, and basically if you're the Raiders and the Rams whispering you're like, hey, you can pick ahead of the Ravens and fucking snip them on that pick and take whatever they want. Like, you think the Ravens can get vague. Sweet, sweet revenge.

Yeah. And then we'll give you a second rounder next year and a third or whatever. And the Rams give them a first. And so the Raiders feel like, oh, we got our two first. And the Rams are like, oh, but give us some swaps or something to make it like more like the value of a first and the second part of him. He's wondering. I don't know if the Rams will actually do that.

But yeah, it's probably. Fuck them picks. I hope the Giants don't trade Dexter Lawrence. I just, I don't know. Don't trade elite defensive tackles. Why does he want to be traded? What's going on there? He just wants more money.

It's because he's the 12th highest paid defensive tackle. Yeah. and he's just trying to get more money. I feel like the Raiders are way more likely. The fact, the Raiders have already traded Max Crosby. Yeah, that's what I said. The Giants are not asking to trade Dexter Lawrence. That's a good point.

Is asking to be traded. That's good point. Part two is what do we think the players would get? I think a first and a second is the starting point. I think if the Raiders, you don't go lower than a first and a second after getting two first. And Dexter Lawrence, I would want at least a first round or at least. But the second question was, with the Patriots rumored to be the most likely destination for Ager Brown, what do you think the trade package would be?

Most teams probably unwilling to trade 2027 first rounder picks because it's a deep draft class. We always say that, but even if not quarterback, at least the receiver class, you know, Jeremiah Smith. Oh, Jeremiah Smith. Ohio State receivers like Coleyer Jones over again. Basically, do you think the Patriots would give up a 2027 first rounder for A.J. Brown who's approaching 30 or they just wait.

And I'm curious what you think, D.K. I think the Eagles are holding out for a first round pick. I think the Eagles do want to try to get a first round pick next. Yeah, agreed. I think the past would probably, wow. I mean, I don't know. I think they would do it. I think they would do it too.

Like, I feel like if you think you're going to be good, like this, that's going to be like the 20 to. It's going to be a late pick. Yeah. Think about the, the year you get with A.J. Brown this year, the development that brings for, for Drake May. Remember, they traded away or they, they released Stefan Diggs. Romeo Dubs is probably a number two at best. And so, yeah, I mean, think about the impact that A.J. Brown would be. I know.

And not, again, like, there's always, there's red flags. But this is exactly what happens. Why trades happen is like, think about AJ Brown in this often. But if you're the Eagles. It's easy to talk yourself into it. If you're the Eagles, if you got AJ Brown for the 18th pick in the draft, and then you get four seasons out of AJ Brown. And then you trade AJ Brown for like four years later for the, after his prime,

for the 29th pick in the draft. That's incredible. I mean, that's just, yeah, good business. Like they basically would have gotten AJ Brown's prime years more or less to move down 11 picks four years later. That's pretty crazy. By the way, we didn't talk about, we did that top or last show, but the Dantavian Wicks. Yeah. So, yeah. Eagles, I think that that's just the way teams do free agency, too, and the Eagles are basically saying, if we trade A.J. Brown were set, but Don Tavon Wicks can play with A.G.

Brown. So, Dave and DeVantzman, Smith, they lost Jahan D'Ox and Marquis Brown can be, two of them players can kind of be like their third receiver. But if they trade A.G. Brown, they could, in theory, go with Devantee Smith, Dantavon Wicks, and Marquise Brown. So it just keeps their options open. They can draft a receiver if they trade AJ Brown. They can draft a receiver if they don't. I think the Eagles are in a good spot after the trade. They also gave Don't even weeks a one-year extension for $12 million.

I don't think it's guaranteed. I think that was, you know, if he can catch the football, it's a good deal. What are you doing over there, Craig? You're playing slots? To be honest with you, Matt asked if I wanted breakfast and he's ordering me a sandwich. What did you get? Wait, let me see the menu. Let's order for you.

It's from egg slut, which is a place that. that, I think I don't know, it started in LA, but heard of that. I've heard of that. Yeah, it's in our hotel. And so I'm, I'm looking at the breakfast sandwich is I might get a sausage. Egg sluts, great. Yeah. It's a classic LA bread.

You got it. It's like I've always wanted to start a restaurant called Waffle. Oh, like it's always thinking about. We're in line at Egg Slut. We're in line at Egg Slut. And I'm like, I can't believe, you know what my issue is? with places that have long lines for food is like you think they would serve you food

or beer, coffee, and line. That always infuriates me that it's like, I'm going to wait 40 minutes for your fucking egg sandwich. But like, I can't buy a coffee in line. Yeah. Just buy, just sell me the coffee at the beginning. Can I get a quart of cold brew, please? Can I get a nalgyna of this shit?

I have time. It's a 40-person line. It's like, I'll go, give me an ounce per person ahead of me. That would be great. Should I do a sausage egg and cheese or an egg salad? Sausage and cheese. At egg slut, you got to get a, the hot sandwich. Yeah, I want to do he knows what the hot sandwiches.

I want to say like that. Oh, I thought quite literally hot. It's called eggslet. I thought you meant like the most popular sandwich. No, DK, Google the pictures. No, you gotta get the, it's eggs. What are you gonna put on Instagram from Egg Slet if you don't get the sandwich? You can put your eggs out on Instagram.

Yeah, no shit. He's just trying to enjoy his life. I know, God damn. What are you gonna put on Instagram? I just wanna eat my meal. It's a joke, no, because Exilut's like the like the, like the number one Instagram breakfast, I think in LA. Everyone puts the little eggs. on their Instagram story.

Hafeitz, you bought me a hat from this place called Biscuits and Porn. Oh, yeah. Which I still have. South Carolina, North Carolina. Yeah,

sometimes I wear it. I'm wearing it at my house. And then I'm like, I'm going to go pick up my son at daycare. And I'm like, well, she probably changed my hat. Viscuits and porn, not as much porn as you think,

but the food, the biscuits are way bad. I would expect a lot of porn if it's in the name. It's like one rack of porn. What kind of talk? I was told there to be porn. Nudy magazines. It's like magazines.

I was actually there were with Jackie and her mother. I went with Jackie, my mother-in-law, and I went to biscuits and porn. And we were like, you know, the food's better than we thought it would be. You guys wouldn't know this, but back in the day when places had, you know, Blockbuster, I don't think Blockbuster did, but the private video rental companies had like a back room sometimes where you could go back there and that was where you perused the porn. And George is barking his head off because he misses it so much. Yeah.

Yeah, you go like, you go behind these like curtains. It's like straight out of like a freaking video. The movie theaters where you can go watch porn? I forget what they're called. This was something I don't think I really understood was a thing until very recently that they used to just play porn in movie theaters and darkness. I don't really think I comprehended that. And it was just like 11.

Different time back then. 11 dudes alone sitting strategically as far away from each other as humanly possible in the theater. Yeah, yeah. Wild. That was like a little before my time. We did it out in the woods. We looked at porn magazines in the woods.

where you could get some freaking privacy around here jerking off onto a tree or something no you got really mad at us that we implied you were jerking off in the woods no we looked at it in the woods and went home and you were like really mad and put it in the old spank bank if you will Jesus well you've never heard that expression I have that's that's what it gets a Jesus out of you okay so you're telling me you never you never came to completion in the woods I did not no that's the part you lie about with all this where you chose to lie. Why would I lie now?

I'm telling you the truth about everything. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. You know what? You know, I never get tired of this. Email us.

This was the most age demarcation we've ever had. Everyone above 40 was like, yeah, no, there was, there was. I still get tagged. And everyone underneath was like, what is he talking about? Anytime anyone brings porn in the woods up, I get tagged on it. That and the other one was the internet used to come in the mail. That's right. On a disc.

All right, grandma. Put you back into the... Let's get you back to bed. They used to send the internet on a disc. In the mail. Okay. It came in a CD. Think about how many fucking CDs were...

I mean, they were just inundating us with CDs back then. Just get the internet of the mail. All right, sure. Anyway, I think the Eagles will... I do think Harry Rosamittle finessa for a strong pick for AJ Brown. I do think it's going to happen. Yeah. In 2027.

All right. Question for Marshall about Dallas. Marshall. M-bone. Marshall says, let's just say that Marshall. You like the Marshall? Yeah, Marshall Mathers. My friend's a kidd Marshall.

What? My friend name is Kid Marshall. Yeah, it's a good name. Marci. Yeah, it is strong name. So let's say, Marshall basically says who should the Cowboys take if the following, let's just say the top three edge rushers are gone. So it's Arval Reese and David Bailey and Rubin Bainer drafted.

And let's say the mansurgellane, the top cornerbacks gone and Germant Bacoy, the other top quarterback is probably gone. And then let's say the tackles, basically Caleb Downs has gone. Who should the Cowboys take in that scenario? Because it's very easy to say, well, if one of the blue blood first round defenders falls to Dallas, take that guy. But what if those, like, great defenders are off the table for Dallas? And I can go through the exact scenario that I think would happen. But basically, what does Dallas do in that situation?

Yeah, that's tough. I know it's kind of hard to explain, but I'm basically saying if the top two cornerbacks, Caleb Downs, the top pass rushers are gone. Sunny Stiles has gone. What do they do? I'm curious you think, D.K., I think Dylan Tieneman, the safety from Oregon, is actually a great fit for Dallas. Because to be honest, he's an elite athlete, but no one really wants to say it because everyone's like, well, he'll go to the Vikings because he's white, like Harrison Smith.

But it's like the Cooper de Gene disease where it's like, or Kishamacru, where no one wants to say he's an elite athlete. But Dylan Tieneman, I really think he's, I think he would be a perfect fit in Dallas. I think that makes sense. And I don't think that's too high to take him, probably. I think that's right in the range that he will end up going. I'm thinking like obviously the cowboys don't need a receiver right now, but depending on what their plans are with George Pickens,

there's going to be receivers at that spot, I think, that they could go with. Kenyon Sadiq probably there. He's not included in this exercise, right? Like, I think he is a very good prospect. You think Kenney and Sadiq would be gone when the Cowboys pick at 12? No, I'm saying he's still on the board in this. Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely.

And Caden Proctor or potentially Monroe Freeling, just offensive line. The Cowboys love to take offensive linemen, and they have had a great amount of success in the past. The Cowboys are probably good at line, I think, though, because Terrence. You're never good at line. Didn't we, haven't we learned this? Look at the lions. They've, I'll say, Ken, their oldest line is Terran Steel. He's 28 years old.

He's their right tackle. No, I know. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, like, if you really, if you're talking like what is the most valuable pick you can make it that is probably going to be an edge player or offensive tackle like we said building through the trenches or a receiver but they're kind of set at those spots i think thineman is is a would make sense at that spot i wouldn't be against it um i'm just honestly just looking at some of the the other maybe another corner that they really like yeah you could go corner i think that i do think the cowboys are in a good

spot because i do think they either get mansor delaying the cornerback i think it's the furthest Caleb Downs would fall as to the Cowboys at 12. I'd be shocked if the Cowboys didn't take him if he was there. I do think also at 20, the Cowboys, the Micah Parsons pick. I kind of think the Cowboys might take C.G. Allen, the linebacker from Georgia. I think the NFL teams think very highly of Georgia linebackers. I don't think C.J. Allen says crazy toolsy as other linebackers that come out from Georgia, but I do think C.G. Allen is maybe more well-rounded than some of the other Georgia

linebackers. And, like, teams need those. And again, the Cowboys have three linebackers on their roster. They literally have to take a linebacker in the first three rounds. Like the Cowboys are going to take a linebacker. And so I actually think the 20th pick, so I could see them taking cornerbacker safety at 12 or defensive end and then a linebacker at 20, or at least on day two. Keldrick Falk from Auburn is the guy that I've kind of been pairing with the Cowboys at times. I don't know what his actual stock is because I think he's one of the players that I think people have the widest range of opinions on just because he wasn't, his production.

election wasn't quite there but if you look at the size the movement ability the day one's starting ability as the run of kind of with the upside to develop into a much better pass rusher down the line he's 20 years old for everything you hear about him is he's a great guy so um keldrick fault could be another option there yeah i feel like they went with it they went with a guard earlier than people thought last year right Tyler booker can always take good football players right the it is funny that like through all of this, the Cowboys are pretty good at drafting. They're very good at drafting.

Will McLeigh is like, it's like the old Jerry Seifah, but really good at taking the reservation. Holding the reservation. Keeping your really good players. That's the hard part. Anybody can, he's like, anybody can take a reservation.

That's good. Anyway, he's doing a residency in Vegas. I see his poster all over. Seinfeld? Wow. Oh, yeah, wait. Can you show us your hotel room, Greg? Or do you do Vegas corner now?

No, let's do it at the end. All right, fine. Yeah, here, a couple more deep cut football questions, and then I want to get to some really stupid shit people that emailed in. So we'll unravel here in a moment. So this email from David.

Dave. Oh, breakfast was, as usual, straight espresso. God, it really is such a window in people's lives. So David says yesterday, the Falcons right tackle, Caleb and Gary actually retired. And so the Falcons

two lefty quarterbacks now with Michael Pennix and Tua. So the right tackle is pretty important because it's the blind side for the lefties. So if you're the Falcons or any team looking to draft a good right tackle, is the approach to scout the best left tackles and convert them to right tackle because presumably the better tackles play left tackle? Or do you scout in the draft the best right tackles and recognize you're maybe shopping, shopping in a lower tier tackle? And if you go with option A, is it hard to switch a top tier tackles technique?

He's like, wow. Top tier tackle technique. Top-tier tackles techniques. Say that seven times try. And I was reminded of Ben Solok on the show saying a few years ago, like switching left to right tackles. Like try, imagine wiping your ass with the other hand. I broke my hand in high school, my right hand.

So what's easier? Weird. It's like Armageddon. Do you teach the right tackle to play left tackle? D.K., what, would you, do you take the best tackle available, even if he plays left and convert him to right? Or do you have to take the best right tackle? Hmm.

Philosophically speaking, This is a really interesting question because I think in most drafts, the highest ranked tackles would be left tackles. In this class, it's right tackles. Francis Maui Noah and Spencer Fano are both right tackles. Isn't that so great how it's two top guys? Isn't it so great how it wind up for Atlanta, though, have a first rounder? I was going to say, it lined up so well for Atlanta. You think?

The 13th pick, all these right tackles on the board, and they don't have the pick. It's absolutely brutal. But that being said, I, I, I don't. I think generally you want to keep a guy where he's played. I think that and it goes to what Solek was saying. It can feel a little different. Another less graphic example of it is like writing switch or, you know, if you're like snowboarding or skateboarding or whatever,

trying to ride switch or goofy foot or whatever and go the other way. It's like it just totally different feeling. You can learn it, but it kind of goes against or throwing with your left hand or whatever. It goes against like what you're so used to and it just makes the learning curve so much harder. It's easier to do it on Madden. In Madden, you're like, oh, my right tackle's in 91, but if I put him to left, he's in 89. Great.

And in reality, it's like, yeah, it's actually you have to completely. The margins are so slim in the NFL. I mean, by the way, the lions are talking about moving Penny Sewell to left tackle this offseason. So I'm like, how's that going to go? This is not just an easy, easy thing, unless you're a rare, rare player, which I guess Sewell is. So, yeah, I think it's. ideally you want to just keep them where they played for the most part.

All right. TK. Last nerdy question here. And then we're going to, I want to really get into some crazy shit. But first, are there any deep cut players? You're big boards.

You're going to have a top 100 big board before the draft. You're at 90 right now. Are there any deep cut players that you don't have to be that deep cut? Day two at least players, we talked a lot about the first round. Are there any of the players in second, third, fourth, fifth round that caught your eye, they want to plan a flag on it.

I'm thinking of guys like, like Kyle Lewis, who's a linebacker at Pitt that I'm, just like yeah he's fun he's a lot of this levanti david like i just is there any players like that you're like sure i love this guy um the first guy that came to mind when you guys were talking about this is kevin coleman junior out of missouri um just quick as a hiccup as our buddy ben so like to say just so so quick sudden mover slot receiver only a little bit undersized but really dynamic out of the slot can get vertical run run three level routes he runs after

the catch he's the type of guy who and just picture it where he catches the ball And he seems to like, he's like a cat. He just always lands. It's like George Pickens. He always just lands on his feet ready to cut immediately. He'll just go up in the air, twist around, land on his feet in the triple threat position and able to cut away from defense in one single smooth motion. That's the type of player dealing with here. I don't think he can play outside, which is probably why he's a day two guy and the lack of size.

But I really liked his tape a lot. And he has good production as well. Kevin Coleman, receiver at Missouri. Where would he be ranked if he was K.C. Coleman? kind of like how Kevin Concepcion goes by Casey Concepcion, but it's his initial. Casey Coleman. Maybe give him an extra round.

Go one round up. Casey Coleman. We need to start a name firm. Yes. And we kind of advise people. We consult on how to improve your draft profile by changing your name or tweaking your name. DK, how big is this guy, Coleman? He's like, I think, 510, 180.

Let me check. Hold on. Where is he? He's 511, 180. Okay. Okay. So he's not like tiny. He's not 170 pounds.

I've started to, obviously, there's a few exceptions where, you know, guys have come into the league and been a good. Tank Dell is an example. But I mean, the lack of size certainly is a big concern going into the NFL. It's a big man's game. Injuries are going to happen if you're, if you're tiny or you're just going to have trouble, you know, dealing with bigger, stronger defenders. And so I'm careful not to like get too excited about it.

a guy who's just really small. But he's not tiny, tiny. A good, yeah, I like Craig's idea about rebranding players. Like, for example, I think Kyle Lewis at Pitt is just an unbelievable. He's the, he's the, I'm telling you to advance. Some teams, the Cowboys are going to draft

Kyle Lewis in the second or third round. And everyone's going to be like, steal the draft. What a perfect player on day two. If his name's Kyle, though, it's a little boring for a linebacker, let's be honest. That's right. But at Pitt, the linebacker group overall was nicknamed the Sharks.

but if Kyle Lewis was just Shark Lewis Yeah oh wow Shark Lewis is like maybe The Seahawks take him 30 in the first round One million percent It's funny Kyle Lewis on Wikipedia I don't know his middle name I don't there's not much

It's just Kyle Lewis We need more than that I mean Kyle it should be Shark Lewis I need a certificate When you sign with us I need grandparents names I need full family tree And we can make I want nicknames

whole thing. We're going to we're to start an agency. We gotta give a good name for the agency though. That's true. Emails names for our brand agency. Ringer Fantasy Football at gmail.com.

Brand our brand agency. Okay. Wait, wait. Should it be called name brand? Oh shit. That's good. Just giving this way for free. Fuck, that's good.

Name brand is a cool name. Name brand. Name brand. Damn. You got hyphets going now. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Name brand is so good.

He's all revved up. We're going to have to bleep that. We all, yeah, name brand. Just, yeah, we want to tell people. And we don't, we don't, there's no food in the office. It's just,

it's just, quartz of cold brew. Yeah, just quartz, court, we're all just, we're all just buzzing around the office. Man. Yeah, we're looking at this Yukon receiver like,

yeah, Skyler Bell. That's good, like a porn name. Fantastic. Good stuff. Yeah. Skyler Bell. I have, All right, we have an important question here.

This is from Josh. Josh. Joe, bone. It's funny. I actually kind of skip over the breakfast sometimes when I'm reading it. I kind of just like glint and so I'm reading it for the first time. Breakfast was cinnamon toast crunch and riddlin. How old is this kid?

Is he in sixth grade? No, this is he from a 12 year old way. Screams college. It's a 20 year. Josh writes, I was listening to the could you fight an ostrich debate? Great stuff. but I have a better stupid man

and rich. Yeah, compelling and rich, but I have a better stupid manliness thought experiment. Okay. And he says, I was thinking about this because I was watching

the masters talking to my brother-in-law, we were debating the athleticism of golfers, which is a great conversation. Oh, it's funny. Liz was like, are these guys athletic?

And I was like, ah, yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Kind of. Kind of. I think the good ones are.

Yeah. So Josh writes, I posit under the right conditions, I could shove Rory McElroy into a locker. How tall is Rory? Roy's 5.10. He's five, nine. He's famously, because he can hit at three,

he's basically height to driver distance, probably the best. But he's very in shape. He's pretty strong. Roy's ripped. Five nine. So, well, Josh says he's 6.4.2.40 for real. So I actually, maybe he could shove Roy McGoner, locker.

He says, I can show. I take back my sixth grade comment, by the way. I would never insult a man of your size. It's a hell of a 70 grader. So Josh says, I could shove Rory Macquarie to a locker. I do not think that's true for a single player in the NFL or NBA. So my quitt. He says he could.

You don't think you shove a kicker. Kickers are cut. Well, they're strong in the legs. Kickers are strong. This guy's 6.4.2.40. You don't think there's not one kicker or punter he could shove into a lot of. All the kickers. Yeah, some of the kickers, fair.

But they're not really. They're not counting them. Are they players? Okay. Yeah. Ask a defensive line that if the kickers count. They're technically on the team. Yeah, they're on the team.

So anyway, so Josh's question, how many copies of you would it take to effectively block Miles Garrett? Copies. Honestly, it would just have to be like, how many bodies could I lay on the floor in front of him that he'd have to kind of walk over to get to the quarterback? You build like a military barricade or like in the movie 300, how they make the big wall of dead body. You're like World War Z or something? How many of my corpse is could slow him down before he gets to the quarterback? Like two, three hundred?

Here's the problem though, Craig. Then the quarterback's having to throw over our corpse wall. Just checking it up there. Yeah. So Josh says, to be clear, I'm not saying we shut Miles Garrett down. We're saying we have to slow Miles Garrett down for like three or four seconds to get an effective block on the play. And Josh says, I'm a big body corpse wall.

Josh says, my toxic trade is I threw three copies of myself could do the job. That is so embarrassing for Josh. I mean, six four, two 40. No way. Maybe. How athletic is this guy? I have seen Miles Garrett. Cinnamon toast crunch and riddle in for breakfast.

I don't know what to make of that. Miles Garrett has, I've seen him surpassed three NFL players on a snap to get to a quarterback in three seconds. I think for myself, I think the number is like eight. I think eight has a shot. If you're six or two 40, he's like he's making like a phalanx or phalanx or half I always say that. It's Craig's holding other Craigs as Spears.

It's like, I think if you're 6,4, 240 like Josh, the conversation begins at five, because the first two guys are going to be both on the ground. I shit you out than one second. He is, I have seen Aaron Donald from 10 feet away.

Miles Garrett loved both guys on the ground and literally. Who'd you rather go against Miles Garrett or Aaron Donald? Who's worse? Aaron Donald by a mile, right? Aaron Donald is. I would never want to face Aaron Donald. They're the two best players

on the line of the generation. Miles Garrett honestly just seems nicer. Miles Garrett seems like a nicer person. That's fair. I mean, Aaron Donald is like, Mason Rudolph. He's different mentally. He's a little, yeah, he's a little fucking crazy. He's like practicing with knives and whatnot.

I think like four sets of two for me against Miles Garrett maybe could slow, like he's just kind of discarding sets of me. But four of them would take what, four seconds, three seconds, a quarterback, get the ball out? Slow him down enough. So, yeah, it's like, can he discard one of, like, you would like to think that you could hold up for a quarter of a second?

Right. So if you need to last four seconds, you, I guess, I guess, I would not be able to hold up for a quarter of a second. I'd be tough. But what about two of you? You don't think a quarter of a second. I'm like, okay, maybe I could hold them off for a quarter of a second. You have to think about it.

Be like, you'd hear the Wilhelm scream immediately. I'd be, I'd be off the screen. I think you have to think about it to ask for two. You have to build yourself and sets a two. Series of double. teams. Yeah. How many sets of two could slow him down? Three or four? I think you're right that eight is probably six is not happening. I can't tell you how easy it is to get past the double team. Well then you'd be a flag, D.K. Oh, right. Shit. Wait, we have to do this legally. Oh,

I don't know then. Yeah, you can't bring an axe. I was going to say. Well, I'm not saying, I'm not saying like committing a crime. I'm not saying committing a crime. I'm saying, are we keeping this legal to the football rule? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's exactly the question. You can't hold, yeah, you cannot, everyone can't hold his arms and legs back. No. Okay. I can't, can I, I can't lasso him with a rope. Even that probably wouldn't help.

It's kind of hard. I mean, you'd have to hold the rope. You're sitting there just keep missing. You're like, sit still. They'd be like, ow, this hurts my hands. Yeah. Oh, I got. You actually lasso and he's just dragging you behind.

Yeah, he would, yeah. It's like, oh, I'm not going to be able to type for a month. I think eight. Eight's the starting point. I agree. okay I think for for Josh I'd go six because he's he's yeah yeah I think six is the right answer so just double what he thinks I think it's like a fair assessment he says whatever it is you think for everyone listening out there whatever it is you think double it is what we what we're

really talking about here that's the right answer I think that's like the rule of thumb here it's the right answer okay this one's from Andy Andy so Andy had a good spin on what Craig was saying about Avici where Craig was like, I'll put Avichy's best five songs against anyone. Yeah, it's like the IMDB, you know, it's like an actor. It's like the four IMPU. It's like the top five of an artist, Ivichies. I mean, come on.

Andy had a great spin on this, which was, um, Andy says, I'm convinced that if you showed someone Lance Stevenson's, like highlight video, like Lance Stevenson, the NBA player was on the Pacers and a bunch of other teams. If you showed like Lance Stevenson's best seven or eight plays to someone 20 years from now, you could convince them that he was one of the absolute greatest players in

the history of the NBA. Oh, I love these. And he was saying, like, Lance Stevenson's top five highlights are crazy. And I was like, I know Lance Stevenson, but I looked it up and I got to tell you, they are so much better than I remembered, like, Lance Stevenson's top five plays, which got me thinking, it doesn't have to exactly be five, but I like the idea of who are other players like that where a not mid player, but this like kind of random guy whose top five kind of is up there with like literally the best ever. And I was interested by this question. I wanted to other Lance Stevenson's. And I was trying to think.

Yeah. I know the objective answer in football. So I'm not talking about like guys that could, like Josh Gordon doesn't count. Like I'm not talking, or Josh Hamilton in baseball. I'm not talking about guys who like had issues off the field but were talented. I'm talking about like guys that you saw their career. You know, it's another NBA one is Javale McGee. Yo, that's a good one.

That's a good one. Javele McGee, you would have thought he was fucking Wilts Chamberlain. If I showed you for highlights. So my NFL one. may he rest in peace is Marion Barber, the running back for the Cowboys, whose top five plays, honest,

he is like, he's like Eric Dickerson. Like, Marion Barber, he, I think he has my favorite run in NFL history that isn't, he was honestly,

Marion Barber was like Marshall Lynch before Marshall Lynch. Like, I think Marion Barber has my favorite five-yard run ever. He has this play against the undefeated Patriots where he got handed the ball at the 10, got hit in the backfield.

And the people chasing, he has to run back around the entirety. of the end zone just to get back to the line of scrimmage. And everyone chasing him is either in the real Hall of Fame or in the Patriots Hall of Fame. It's just Rodney Harris, boom. It's just like Junior's say, oh, boom. And he's just shaking an undefeated defense.

And he breaks 11 tackles to get two yards. But they kind of all look like that. But I want more people to email us like this, guys like this. It's basically freak athletes who aren't really that good at playing the sport, but are just so athletic that every once in a while, they make like the coolest play you've seen all year. You know who that is? It's Anthony Richardson.

the one god damn it is anthony richardson five you'd be like this is the greatest quarterback of all time it's like can you find five though for sure well if I can include runs yeah the guy who I think is the objective correct answers of this is branded lloyd you guys remember him oh yeah he had some of the most

insane catches my in fact my buddy sent me shout out bet he sent me a highlight reel the other day like out of the blue completely random he's like by the way you got to check out Brandon Lloyd's highlights. And I totally 100% remember he just makes the most insane above the rim spinning like foot tap on the sideline catches. It's actually crazy. But he was just kind of like a regular receiver. He never was. I don't even know if he went to any pro balls. Let's see here. Oh, he did go to one pro bowl. I had some other guys I thought of. But it ended up being more guys who had had good seasons, but not like the five plays.

Man, this is a fun one. I like this. We've been talking to Chris Ryan about sometimes the guys, you know, Instagram, like highlight reel comes up for two minutes. And you're like, I'm going to watch this. It's like I looked up Chris Chambers. He had a few good seasons, but it's not, the top five plays are not as good as I remember. To Stevie Johnson, he more like he was really good for a small amount of time.

I'm talking, yeah, Brandon Lloyd and Marion Barber, guys who's like the five. Like, Lynn Stevens had had this one play where he basically did like a pole. Like he jumped, he ended up jump, he got fouled and jumped over someone who must have been six foot eight. and while horizontal, through the ball over his head, like at the backboard, it must have gone 10 feet above the rim and then went in for the N1.

And it was like actually maybe the craziest one I'd ever seen in an NBA game. And it was like his fourth best play. Yeah. I mean, you can, the NBA is different because you could just find, like guys like Shannon Brown, who is like an all-time dunker

but couldn't really play basketball, you could find five highlights of him and he looked, you could be convinced he's Anthony Edwards. Yeah. I mean, that's like how I, feel about Sean Kemp, like some of his dunks. He, he, if you, if, if I showed you his five greatest plays, you probably be like,

this guy's a Hall of Fame or one of the best players ever, right? And it's the same with like the high school videos too, where it's like, I personally Harvard's high school videos. Oh my God. Yeah. Like superhuman. Um, okay. So email, I want more of those.

Emails the top five mid players that have pretty incredible. I want to, I want to really like Lance Stevenson. I didn't know his game. It was pretty. I was, I mean, I hated him back in the day. He's the most hateable, he was the most hateable random player too. Who? Lance Stevenson.

Because he was like, what was it? He was like, he was blowing air in LeBron's ear. When he was on Indiana and it was like Indiana versus my name was a thing. It was, that Indiana team was so fucking annoying.

It was like Roy Hibbert and Paul George and Lance Stevenson and George Hill. They were good though, but yeah. They were like, they were like Kirkland brand bad boy pistons.

Yeah. They were just like this hateable physical team and then they got washed out by frankly the three pointers and stuff. Okay. Speaking of which, Cole, It's from Nicole.

Seabone. Nothing for breakfast. For his breakfast is colon, nothing. Okay. Cole had an idea of fixed tanking in the NBA, and I wanted to run it by you guys. D.K., I know this is near and dear to your heart, how bad the Washington Wizards are.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the real topic de jour of the year, the tanking thing. I still feel that the biggest issue for the NBA is not tanking. It's the Elam ending, and they need to just basketball. I agree wholeheartedly. And not an endless series of fouls. Like, to me, the biggest difference, to be why football is successful in the NBA successful

other than scarcity in the nature of the sport is NFL owners as business people would never let every single game end in the least dramatic way possible through a series of loopholes to foul. Like it should just end with the basket. I agree. Elam ending is perfect.

Yeah. And less games and then you're good. It's like it scores 100, 100, two minutes left. Cool. Clock's off. First to 106 wins. Yep. You want to stop? Play defense.

What a novel concept. Wouldn't you love to see Wembenyama down 10? But like, it's like, okay, they can't score again. Dude, if the fourth quarter begins and it's like, yeah, Spurs versus the Thunder but like the Thunder have to get to 20 and the Spurs have to get to 25.

First one wins. That's amazing. It's such a no-brainer. And I used to think it was pie in this guy, but after seeing what baseball's done with robotumps and pitch clocks in banning the shift, it's so much less radical than what baseball's done.

They should try it with teams that are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs or something. I don't know. They should, no, it's preseason year one. preseason and preseason and preseason and all start preseason year two

and then you tried in the NBA Cup and then you tried for full season. I have a question for you guys. I don't want to forget, so just remind me to ask you again about baseball. So continue what you're saying and then we'll come back to it. So, well, Colt's emails about tanking.

So he says, Bill nearly got there in Bill's recent mailbag, but I finished his idea for him. The answer to tanking is you have to announce you are tanking. And once you announce it, you are tanking. You are actually just eliminated from playoff contention altogether. You are not allowed to make it once you announce your try.

I declare bankruptcy. Bankruptcy. And then from that moment, in hotels, by the way. You declare tanking. Yeah, you're going to get a noise complaining. He got a noise complaining. Luckily, it's 11 a.m. and not 11 b. When Matt brings the sandwich.

People are just going to bed now, Craig. The end of this episode should be you having the egg slit sandwich. So it's waiting for me in the other room. All right. Well, go get it. We'll do a review at the end. So Colt says, I should have went with egg salad.

It doesn't get cold. Yeah. Once you announce... I did go to egg salad. Nice. Coward. So once you announce your tanking, at that point on,

every win is worth a point. And whoever has the most points at the end of the year gets the first pick. Oh, like a win is worth a loss, essentially. So a win is worth a loss. And it's like... So then the second most points gets the second pick. So now the incentive to win is there at the end of the season

and you are gambling with other teams. And so basically towards the end of the year, there's a staring contest to see who's going to start first. And then that point, actually competing, you can hypothetically announce your tanking on the first day of the season to almost guarantee you get the first pick, but there would be social pressure to not give up. And if there's a tie at the end of the season,

like two teams at 27 points, you have one game playoff to have the number one pick. But this, I think, is the simplest answer. Because it's like the Utah Jazz and Wizards, instead of just being a fucking abomination, they actually just have to win games. And I'm like, I kind of like it. The only thing, the only issue is that I don't know how many players would want to try their hardest to win to basically find their replacement.

I can't fix 20-year-old kids getting $13 million a year immediately to be motivated at their jobs. But I do think fans should be rooting for their teams to win. Sure, sure. I agree. Like, you can't just motivate NBA players to want to play basketball, but, like, fans should not be rooting for their teams to lose. I do think that is a problem. Did you guys see there was another one that went around about, tanking variable beer pricing to solve tanking.

And for every loss, oh, I did hear this. Throughout the entire season, like every loss, a beer at the stadium gets like 25 cents cheaper. And every win, it gets 10 cents more expensive. And that's it.

The Wizards right now, a beer would be like a buck 80. Fans would go. So it's like how the price of gas just controls the globe. It's like, Hey, my team sucks me. You know what? It's fucking cheap beer.

Dude, I kind of love this. It's like the B movie. Every time they say B, the video gets half twice as fast. Yeah, yeah. That's really funny. Okay. Can I ask my question now?

Oh, yeah, please. This is related to baseball and when you brought it up. I thought about this over the weekend. Gavin Sheets hit a walkoff home run for the Padres, I believe. And that's how much I know. baseball. But he, I was thinking at the time I'm like, fuck that is cool. Like that's the coolest looking play in sports is a fucking walkoff home run. And I was trying to decide whether if there was any other cooler was like catching a game winning touchdowns pretty cool. No, no, not even

close. But it doesn't, it doesn't really, to me it doesn't capture sort of the one-on-one nature of fucking annihilating a pitch out of the stadium at 100 miles an hour. I don't think there's anything cooler than when Shohei Otane takes a high heater just out of the yard. You see it, I'm like, him and Barry Bonds are the only ones where I'm like, holy shit. These guys are actually aliens. When they hit the

ball, it's the coolest most primal feeling. I don't know what it is, but I'm like, fuck, that's cool. I agree. I think a walk-off homer is the coolest thing you can do in sports, and it's the coolest look. And I think it's because the focus is on the human and not the ball. Right? Like, when Tiger makes a big put, you follow the ball.

ball. And like football, you're following the ball. Even like if Steph hits a three, it's like you're following the ball and the climax is the ball going in the hoop. If Showhead hits a homer, the ball leaves the frame and it's Shohay's standing there looking at it. Just fucking admiring it. And that is the ball going over the fence.

It is standing there and like posing and the bat flip or whatever it is. And that's the image that's seeing your brain. That is such a good point. You are dead on because I was thinking about, I've been thinking about how I think maybe the coolest stat right now in any sport is that Freddie Freeman. Freeman is the only player to have a walk-off home run in two different games of the World Series. Yeah.

Like, if you think about that fundamentally, every kid who's ever picked up a baseball bat. Walk-up Grand Slam he had. Yeah, walked out, yeah, to walk-off grand slam. And he's had two, I think. Or no, I think there's two different walk-off grand slams. And it's like every kid has always wanted to do that in a game. And in the World Series.

And he's the only one in the world to have done it twice. But when I think of Freddie Freeman hitting the home run, I think of the way he's holding the bat. You're so right. I'm thinking of Freddie Freeman, and not Tiger Woods's little Nike ball rolling in. I'm thinking of Freddie Freeman. There's something about...

Joe Carter did it too, by the way. Two walk-off home runs? No, no, no. I mean, he had a Grand Slam walk-off in the World Series. There's something about, like, knowing it's a home run and standing there for a second, like not immediately having to run to first base. It's just the fucking coolest thing.

It's the coolest thing ever. Also, because it's impossible. Like, you could stand at a certain point in NBA court and make a 40-foot shot. You literally, you could... If the ball's just... sitting there you could never hit a ball out of an Moby stadium. Yeah. I think

when I'm trying to think of it, other cooler thing, maybe Steph hitting like a 40 foot three, just like stepping into it. Like the Steph three against OKC where Enis Candace. That's pretty fucking cool. That's fucking awesome. But if, yeah, if I had the choice of being a

pro athlete and getting to do the coolest thing imaginable as a pro athlete, to me hitting a fucking walk off, there's nothing cooler than that. I don't know why. It's just so, in the call on the sheets one in particular it was less like he's like, holy sheets! It's just like so

so cool. I think there's also something to like, whatever, if you hit a half court shot to win a game in college of the NBA, that is probably an amazing feeling and it's really cool, but it's lucky. And when you hit a home run, it's not lucky. It's like because you're at the

fucking peak of your powers, you know what I mean? It's not like when you banked in a 60-footer. That's awesome, but it's also like you got kind of lucky. And You know what else adds to it is you get to fucking round the bases. There's like this. It's a celebration tour.

Yeah, it's fucking amazing. You get to win like the queen. You're taking a fucking lap. It's literally a victory lap. It's quite literally a victory. An actual victory lap. Do you have to do? You're supposed to do.

And right. And I think the other part is that it's the fact that when you hit the baseball, you were supposed to sprint as fast as possible to first base. Right. But when you hit a home run, you know immediately and they stare at it

and you know it's a home run by their body language. The crowd's just going fucking bonkers. Their body though is the first thing that you think it's a home run is because they're just staring and watching it. They're like, hell yeah. And you're like, oh my God. And you get to run through enemy territory.

You're running around all of their players, the other guys, not you. You're on their side by. Yes. You go run through their turf and then meet your friends back at the beginning. In every other sport, that would be considered bad, like, you know, sportsmanship or whatever.

Justin Jefferson catches a game winning touch and then runs just through the Packers sideline Yeah, it's so good It is, oh my God, you're so right Dude, it's just like, I think about the goosebumps you have just doing that And then you get to fucking just

bathe in it as you round the bases Everyone's just losing their mind At home with pouring beer on your heads And then every team sort of has like their celebration or whatever Man, fucking cool Baseball's not dead So many mailed in and they wanted advice

What's just Carlos wants to kill it So many emailed in and they wanted advice For a bachelor party And one of my friends They just were like we went to a park And they just had a home road derby And I was like God that was fun We did that at my bachelor party

I did it at home run derby It's so fun Because you're like oh And they fielding And then you get up to bat You're like I'm fucking Mark McGuire We basically just like We were there was like 15 of us

We split into teams And we just did like Beer Olympics But it was basically just like A bunch of events Where you drank It didn't have to necessarily be beer and it'd be like home run derby or like egg toss the egg toss by the way always plays

egg toss is always fun dude explain the egg tosses I don't know what egg toss is oh it's like it's like it's like an old carnival style game you know where it's literally just like you're in pairs of two and oh like oh like oh throwing the egg to each other yeah and you take a step back each time that always is fun if you're out on the field that just it works it's a great game because then it gets down to like two teams and everyone's like watching and there's like weirdly like the friend you didn't you expect is actually amazing at like caressing an egg from 40 to 1. It's great. It's always that guy.

Damn, now I kind of want to do this at my match. You should do it. Hey, tell us. Yeah. Damn, that's kind of sick. Anyway, let me know in the emails if you can think of something cooler than I walk off home. Last is Rory McElroy hitting a ball under the first tee at the Masters and then just somehow getting a bogey to win.

But I bring that up because I wanted just, just a random post I saw. Rory McElroy has won two masters. since the last time the Jets intercepted a pass. Wow. Yeah, yeah. Brutal. Stop me in my tracks. All right, wait, I got a couple more here.

I want to even read email from David. Debo. We've had a lot of Davids and Danys today. Oh, yeah. David writes, breakfast, coffee with whole milk and a bottle of water. Not sure if that counts since it's just liquids, but there you go. Sure. Yeah, that counts.

You guys. Sure is that does. David Wright, you guys have been talking a lot about dads taking credit for incredible things. I think I've been sitting on maybe the best one. Ooh. Early to mid-90s, my dad was in an outdoor basketball league. And a bunch of the neighborhood kids were always watching my dad and his friends play basketball. And then the kids would go on the court and kind of play basketball before their game.

And then the game ends. And then the kids would come back on the court and play basketball after the game. And my dad would help, you know, he kind of teach him a little. And my dad's number one rule for basketball. that he's always preaching is you pass it to the man is open and closest to the basket. And he taught the kids at a chest pass. He taught the kids at a bounce pass. He would work with them after the games.

And he remembers one particular kid really caught on immediately with the passing thing. Really caught on with the drip with the chest pass, with the bounce pass. My dad lived in Akron, Ohio. So, okay, keep going. So when one local kid started. blowing up in high school and he was on the cover of Sports Illustrated his high school games in ESPN.

My dad's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, LeBron James. That's one of those neighborhood kids who would come watch my rec league games. This guy's dad, David's dad's taking credit for LeBron James. His dad says I taught LeBron James how to pass and helped inspire LeBron James' game. Do you think LeBron would know who this man is?

That is what I've been wondering. I'll admit, I think in the email, I think his dad hedges a little more. Like I think that that's more like I helped inspire him. I don't think he like worked with LeBron every day. But he does, but his dad is insistent like I did instruct him at least a few times and I had a throw pass and like taught it like when he was young. But I love the idea that his dad just like, yeah, yeah, yeah. One of the kids.

If I did that, if I was his dad, I'd be doing the same thing. A hundred percent. Talked LeBron everything he knows. Every time LeBron makes some sick pass, I'd lean to the guy next to me. I taught him how to pass. We're going to ask Rich Paul to bring this up next time he sees LeBron. That's right. Remember those guys at the recl league?

All right. One more. This is important. This is from I'm redacting it to protect the point. Redacted. Our bone. For the past few years, I was a pastor at church. And I would occasionally speak on Sunday mornings.

And every time I would speak, my friends and I would pick one quote from arrested development that I would then have to naturally work into my sermon. Love it. Redacted writes, I've since switched careers. However, our pastor was placed on a sabbatical and I was asked to speak at Easter this year. And he writes, it would be a great honor if you guys would pick an arrested development quote that I need to sneak into my sermon in Easter this year. We missed it. This was my fault.

This is my L. I did not see this email on time. However, he's going to get to do it again. And I want us to pick the arrested development quote that he will then work into the next. sermon he gives. I mean, I mean, we have to be somewhat kind because there are some that he truly could not mix in. So here are the rules. So the rules are I have to quote, the rules are that he has to say the quote naturally. He cannot be like, remember an arrested development when they said there's always money in the banana stand? Like you have to be it smooth. And it has

to be something you can say in front of a church congregation, family's kids. So it can't be like cursing or vulgar, sexual, whatever. So some lines he's already used. It would be pretty hard for him to mix in. How much does a banana cost $10? He probably could make that work. So some lines he's already used in church. He's said this already in sermons. We're just blowing right through nap time. I really doubt that one made it down the mountain.

If that has a veiled criticism about me, I won't hear it and I won't respond to it. And marry me. Marry me. And so he says, with your help, this will be the best one yet. Thank you for all you do. And so I had a couple. I thought about having a love affair with this ice cream sandwich. I said that to my dad on the phone.

My brother had his baby shower this week. Why don't you marry the ice cream sandwich? My dad discovers there's a gelato store downstairs from my brother's place, rid his baby shower. My dad is like, do they take cash? I'm like, probably. He's like, are you sure? And I'm like, actually not really, no.

And so I have to give my dad a credit card to go get ice cream, which was a real roller reversal because I'm like, I don't know. Maybe they don't take cash. So I call him and I thought it was coming back up. And 45 minutes goes by. I'm like, where are you? I call him and he's like, this is the best gelato.

And I'm like, why don't you marry the gelato? Anyway, this is down there for 45 minutes is buying more gelato and eating it? It was unbelievable. Why don't you marry the ice cream sandwich? So anyway, I want to, I had a couple ones that I thought would be good.

One, obviously, I don't understand the question and I won't respond to it. Of course. I mean, that's up there. Yeah. But I thought the one that really what works is obviously in the Bible there is a book of Job. Okay.

I want to do. I don't care for Job. I don't care for Job. I love all my children equally. I love all my Bible books equally. I don't care for Joe. I don't care for Job. But if you guys have any, we'll figure out the next one.

Illusions, Michael, tricks are what whores do for money. That's not going to work. Let me think. I mean, I don't know what I expected. Look into a bag and then say, I don't. know what I expected. Dead dove, do not eat. You can even use a prop there.

It's coming back from the Noah, come up from the flood. He's like, oh, man, dead dove, do you not eat? Oh, God. Wow. That would have changed the story. Hmm. This is great. Yeah.

I need more time to think about this. I've made a huge mistake. I've made a huge mistake. I thought this was incredible. Oh, my God. I did this at my bar mitzvah. My friends bet me at the time. time, Craig, did you ever play Assassin's Creed?

That was a huge game. We were not really. My friend, so I bet me I couldn't work. The main character's name was Altayir. And they bet me I couldn't work Altayere into my half tour at my Barmenzvah. And boy, did I. Seamless. Oh, yeah.

Altaiers. I was like, yeah. No one knew. My tour instructor at the back was very disappointed. No one else knew. Anyway. Yeah. email's arrest the development

there we go quotes that we should work into this guy's sermon right now I like I don't care for Job and then emails more take purges I want more take purges I don't understand the question

and I won't respond to it Should I read it take purge Play or flat apple No no no people Take purge Let's wait I don't want to spoil it I've got some other ones here

But we should probably Someone did email in a good explanation Of the moon gravity tide thing Finally I understood it But we can save that for another day. Craig, I want one, I want to hear about Vegas and that I kind of want you to eat this sandwich. I want to enjoy the sandwich in the privacy of my own room.

I'm going to love a fair with this egg salad sandwich. Vegas update? Well, I just got here like yesterday afternoon. So I haven't done a lot. Did you gamble yet? I went to one presentation. I have not gambled. I did see a sneak preview.

So CinemaCon is basically like all the major studios present their wares for theater owners and basically just promote all the cool shit that's coming in the next couple years so that theater chains across the country play their movies. And now it's basically just become a time to like release sneak previews and trailers and things like that to create buzz. I did see that I saw the first trailer of the social network sequel. Oh. That Aaron Sorkin is writing and directing. and Jeremy Strong is playing Zuck.

And I can't tell. It's funny. It's funny like when it's not online yet and you have to formulate your own opinion with like the other 2,000 people in the room and that's it. I can't tell if it's fucking great or like a caricature SNL sketch. Because it is, it sounds, he sounds so good and he's taking it so seriously. And his like posture's all erect and his hair looked. It like is Mark Zuckerberg.

But I'm also like, that's Jeremy Strong from Succession. is weird. I know he's such like a committed actor. I can't tell if it's going to be panned or like he's going to win best actor. I have no idea. Either one of the two. And that was like the most talked about thing yesterday around the hotel was

Jeremy Strong playing suck. I just remember what Brian Cox, the dad in succession, just giving a real quote to, I forget with Vanity Fair, I forget who did the article to him. He was basically like, I'm really worried about that guy. He takes his acting things seriously. I can't imagine what him becoming Mark Zuckerberg on set must have been wild.

But it's good. The weather's great in Vegas. I've got to say, I'm staring at Allegiant Stadium. Allegiant, is it called? Right now, looks like a giant Roomba. It does. That's what they were going for. Yeah, big Roomba.

Can I show it? Let's see. Let's see if I can get it. See it? Oh, yeah. There you go. What floor are you on? 51.

What hotel are you at? I'm at the Cosmopolitan. Ooh, the Cosmo. Yeah. Some good restaurants in there. There are. Egg slut, waffle ho. Eggs, let, waffle hell.

There's that Dave, Momofuku's here. Dave Chang, yeah, yeah. Shouts out, Dave Chang. Yeah, it's like 75 and sunny here. It's freaking great. Living a dream. Going to Warner Brothers tonight, going to see their presentation.

I'm excited. they show the, uh, there's a new Tom Cruise movie where he's not playing Ethan Hunt or Maverick. He's actually in a movie directed by Alejandro, uh, Alejandra Inorritu called Digger. And it's with Tom Cruise. What's it about? I don't know. It's a comedy though, apparently. A comedy? It's a comedy. By the guy that did the Revenant. I was literally going to say, the Revenue guy is a comedy, the least funny movie. Just a laugh a minute, just a laugh a minute, feel good movie of the summer? Let me get the logline here. It's a satirical black comedy with Sandra Hewler, Tom Cruise, Riz Ahmed. Most Powerful Men in the World embarks on a frantic mission to prove

he is humanity's savior before the disaster he's unleashed, destroys everything. Do what that would you won't. Okay. All right. Cool. I'm intrigued. I got to say, I kind of like Vegas. It's good for two or three days. It's fun. You go once a year, once every other year. I have a good time here. I almost think because Vegas is so old school, it's like almost coming back around to me where I like the pomp and circumstance and the ridiculousness of it and like the showiness. I feel like everyone just sits at home and orders DoorDash and watches TV now. I'm like, dude, being

inside of a fucking Caesar's Palace, you are like transported. You're like I am like, Caesar live here? There is nothing like this. You're like great. Nobody pulled a phone. Nobody tell me what time it is. I know. It's remarkable. Like walking around, you're just like, I can't believe these buildings were constructed and that this works and that people come here. It's unbelievable. There's nothing else like it. And it's funny is walking by the slots in a casino and all these boomers.

It's never always young people. It's always but boomers on slots and they just look dead-eyed and you're like, oh, and you're like, oh, that's what I look like on my phone. Exactly. They're just like on slots and you're like, man, what is it? Everyone else. Yeah, they're getting their little, what is it? Dopamine.

The cortisol feed or, yeah. Yeah, the dopamine hit. Dopamine, IV on the slots. I just feel like I'm on another planet and I enjoy that. It's like, you're going to spit off this planet. I'm going to the sphere tonight also. Oh,

are you seeing a fish? I'm seeing the Wizard of Oz. Oh, that's, I'm very, I'm very jealous. So we'll see. Never heard a bad word about the sphere.

I know. I know. Dolwyn. Are you going to be able to do a Cirque de Soleil? I don't think so. Last year we saw David Copperfield, but then he's kind of canceled now. And so we were,

we learned that on the last show. I like subtly tried to communicate to you guys. But there were other acts that like Matt wants us to go see like really kitschy old school like he wants us to see like carrot top. Oh come on, dude. We talked about carrot top. You got to see carrot top. Or like or like Penn and Teller, like things like that.

What is their deal? They're just a comedy duo? Comedy magicians. I've seen there's everything you'd ever want in life. Allusions, Michael. Comedy allusions. But we landed on the sphere. So we're seeing, I'm very excited.

Dude, they claim they're going to build a severe. And I thought that word I always say, sphere. Sphere. Are they going to build one in the Middle East? They're going to try to build one, believe it or not, Maryland. They claim they're going to make. Maryland. Are they doing one in like Dubai or no?

Well, that might be on pause for a little bit. Right. Yeah. I know they need the space. Like you can't really put it in New York. Where would it go? Like, it'd have to be like in like out there in Queens or something, I guess. But then it's like, that's kind of weird.

Yeah, I don't know. Like the sphere works in Vegas and when you look at it, you're like, yeah, that makes sense. So can you see it from your hotel? Not from the other from the other side of the hotel, yes. What's on it right now? Is it like a giant eyeball or what the hell is on that thing?

I can't see it from here, but it's probably like a minion. Just follows you. It follows you everywhere you go. One time, a great eye of sorrow. It was a minion once, which was, I thought that was fun. I love the idea that James Dolan like build the whole thing out of screens

and they were like no you can't and they're like holy shit I think we can whoa what's your favorite casino Craig do you have one

no I'm not you're not well versed enough no I have no I have no idea also like it's tough because all the minimum like New York New York I'm like I want to go play craps

but like I need like a $10 $15 minimum I'm not doing what are the minimums yeah I think at the Cosmo last night it was like 25 it's just like yeah

it's kind of high I want to I want Like last year we went to the Flamingo I think And it was cheap It was like 10, 15 bucks So we might do that Mm-hmm

I've stayed at the Flamingo before Yeah Dude my brother and I joke Dude there's a line in oceans I forget what Probably 13 was Saul My brother I said all the time We're like

When they opened the Flamingo in 1952 One day it was closed When it was an opening What's this soft opening bullshit Yeah the Flamingo Was apparently like a real Like that was like a big spot for Sinatra and D. Martin in the gang.

Studio 54 of its time. Yeah. So anyway, I'll, I guess the next episode we do is take purge, but I'll be back for Vegas and I can give a full report after the take purge. I can't wait for the take purge. You guys can't get ready. I have some takes. Okay.

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No, no, no. I don't know if you guys saw this, but the news came out this week. He says he's debt free from Vegas. He's good to go. He's allowed to leave. He's on a world tour now doing his new album. He's not there. Sure.

You know, in the, I don't, was it in the cosmopolitan or in Caesar's Pals? He has a, he has a nightclub called Pinky Ring that I walked by. Pinky Ring. Kind of a cool name. That's a great name. Name brand would have come up with that. We would have come up with that. Yeah, we'll name anything.

name restaurants, buildings, people, animals. We'll name anything. Yeah. We'll rebrand you. If you have a boring name, email, I'll rebrand you. So I'm getting married this year, and I don't think I'm going to play Bruno Mars. I think I want to marry you. I don't think I'm going to do any of that.

Craig had that rule. I did. Was that you rule at your wedding? Oh, probably you insepted me. You did intercept him. No Bruno Mars. That's right. I think you incepted me.

Yeah. That's definitely where I got her from. Mars. No, Bruno. I can only hear 24-carat magic so many times. You know what I mean? I don't believe I just want

I just I don't I can't do it I can't do any more of it oh that's funny that's uptown folk but it doesn't matter no you're all the same

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