The Ringer NFL Show - Draft Needs for Every AFC Team

Episode Date: April 9, 2024

LIVE SHOW in Detroit on April 24: Click below for tickets! Going division by division, the guys debate what the AFC teams should do with their respective first-round draft picks to address their most pressing team needs according to The Ringer’s 2024 NFL Draft Guide (1:30). Later, they react to the solar eclipse (56:03). Tickets: http://bit.ly/ringerdraft24 AFC East (2:09) AFC North (18:07) AFC South (29:09) AFC West (39:42) Check out our 2024 Ringer NFL Draft Guide here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Craig Horlbeck, and Ben Solak Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I am joined by Ben Slaw and Craig Fulberg. No, Danny Kelly today. He is too busy. Too busy do at NFLDraft.30.com where he has 70 scouting reports. Why does he even need to be on the show? He's just grinding tape. He said, I can't make it.

I'm deep into tape hole. We're like, it's fine. Yeah. Because I watch the fifth round tackles. And someone has to do it and it will be me. The hero of the Gotham news. needs. Dicke's sold.

He actually watches tape. So like just streams players, but it's not as cool to say that. Dicke grinds tape. Yeah. Streams players. Yeah, streams players sounds awful.

I don't like that at all. Yeah, streams players. You don't know ball. So we're going to go through team needs. We're going through whatever team in the AFC, what they need, trying to figure out what are they going to do with this draft. We're going to go division by division. We're going to go actually the order of teams are favored to win each division

because we have team odds now from Fandle, baby. Fandle sports book. And then, yeah, I mean, NFLDraft.3.com, shameless plug. Emails for your fantasy football at gmail.com. You want to just hop into this, Craig? When are you, Hyfitz, when are your team needs up on the guide? My team needs are out, baby. My team needs are also there at NFLdraft.3.com.

There you go. Company man, had to mention it. All right, starting off here. We got a lot of teams to get through. So we're going to try to move quickly. We're going to start AFC East. Buffalo Bills favored to win the division, just barely over the Dolphins, plus 160 to win,

which is essentially a 38% chance for those who care. They have the 28th overall pick in the draft this year. Over under 10 and a half wins for the bills, which is second highest in the ASC. Ben, you haven't been on the show

since Stefan Diggs was traded. So it takes one day off and Stefan Diggs goes to the Texans. Dude, I was in the airport seething. It was the first day of Pitch I've taken in years. And Stefan Diggs got traded. Yeah, I mean, like, my initial reaction

was like, yes, like I've been asking the Texans to do this. star wide receiver, like, go and add and like, let's go, guns blazing, Ced just a job, rookie contract. I love it. And then you're like, okay, it digs a little bit old. It's probably going to be wide receiver too. It still makes sense. And then it's like, hey, we restructured his deals.

That's just like a massive one-year deal. And we're trying to motivate him to be paid. And you're kind of just like, man, I really hope they called the Bengals about T. Higgins and the Niners about Brandon I, you made sure that nobody else was going to move before they made this decision. And even if they did make this decision, you're also looking at like the Deontay Johnson trade,

like the Calvin Ridley market and saying like, okay, if the whole point was to go just get like a good two, right? Like I, which they may internally feel like no digs is like our one, but if the whole point was like, you know, let's just get like a really good second guy.

This is a lot for an Asian guy who apparently you're worried about his motivation. Like it looks a little bit sketchier now the dust is settled. Overall, though, it is still the right philosophy and the right approach for Houston. I just think the window for like this being a hugely successful move for them is a little bit narrower than it was previously. I had said the bills paid more because they,

or sorry, the Texans paid more than some of the other deals you saw because they had more team control, the Diggs trade. Then they just took the last three years off Dix's contract, which I guess I viewed as like, Diggs was like, yeah,

I'll do the trade, just give me an extension. And they're like, yeah, you seem kind of, you know, why don't you just leave after this? It's weird.

It's almost like a hookup that they gave a future second for, but it's honestly like a baseball contract. It's like when teams will just like rent a pitcher for like the second half of a year knowing that he's going to leave if they don't win a World Series or even if they do. So it's like Diggs is kind of just going to be in and out.

Maybe they can capitalize, you know, win in an AFC that has no receivers in the entire conference and see if they can sneak one in. It's exactly. It's like Max Scherzer thing. I think he's too crazy to stay here forever. But like three months. It's like, well, we can go wrong.

All right. So, hi, Vince, who do the bills need? Well, funny you say that, Craig. They might need a receiver. So I, you know, my real take with the bills is that a few years ago, not a few years ago, a couple years ago, I was thinking about selling my car because, you know, resale prices got really high on cars.

And I could get like 90% of what I paid for my car originally after I've had it for a few years. And I was like, this is incredible. And my mom was like, yeah, but like that sounds cool. But like once you sell your car, then you need a car. Do you want to need a car right now? It's a pain in the ass to need a car. Yeah. And I'm like, the bills need a car.

Like Stefan Diggs is gone. They traded their car. Gabe Davis, I guess is the bike. He got stolen. And so now the bills, it's like, you know, you've got to walk around. you get Curtis Samuel, we got James Cook, you can throw the ball to. But if the bills need to go somewhere,

they have to go get a car. And I feel like if they don't get Brian Thomas, the receiver at those you, so like, I'm like, what are the bills going to do if he's not there? Because I feel like another receiver at the 28th pick. I don't know what Buffalo does.

Yeah, I think you make a really good point, Hyphus, which is something that I've been talking about here and elsewhere. Like, I think people want this to be a really, really good wide receiver class because there's a ton of names

and receivers good every year. And as I always say, like, every receiver class is going to be good for the rest of time. the top three of this receiver class are unimpeachable dude like Marvin, Malik, Rome. I am obsessed with all three. You tell me any one of those guys, you know, it was like a top 10 guy in the league. I would not be surprised.

Like, that is an elite group. The second tier of this receiver class is not that great. It's good. Like, it's got guys. Like, there's, you know, fringe first rounders and, and, you know, developmental guys. And I'm sure a couple of them are going to, like, develop in a really nice players because just law big numbers. But I've put final grades on.

a lot of these dudes besides Brian Thomas, right? We look at the big three and then Brian Thomas, also at LSU. I don't have a receiver in this class graded above where I had like Zay Flowers last year, where I had like Jackson and Jigwood last year. And I personally where I had Quinn Johnson last year, which I was too high in Quentin. But like those guys were all like, last year was like, oh, this isn't that great of a class? Like, oh, there's no real great guy. And obviously all those guys end up going early 20s and the old over drafted and not that good.

Man, like Adonite Mitchell is not better than Zay Flowers coming out. Lama Kanky is not better than Jack Smith and Jigua coming out. I'm sorry. Like, they don't grade that way for me. And so this second tier to me is gassed. Now, that's for me, grading for 32 teams. Buffalo might be sitting there right now with a good grade on Brian Thomas, Adonai, Mitchell, and Lamankeke, and Troy Franklin. And they're like, you know, we have enough guys we like.

Like, we're going to trust our board. We trust our scouting. We're going to go get a receiver. Maybe it's a small trade up. Maybe it's a small trade down. Who knows? Like, they know what they like. They know what's going to work for them.

They have an elite quarterback and Josh that makes developing a receiver a lot better. But from an overall perspective, lead-wide perspective, I agree with you, Hypevitz. Like this back into the first round wide receiver group, a lot of these guys, they go round one. I'm going to call them overdraft it. I'm going to say they got drafted a little bit too early. Does it feel like, you know, sports are, every league is a copycat league, right?

When some team figures something out, everybody copies it, and the Chiefs won two Super Bowls after they traded Tyree Kill away. And it now seems like there are a lot of depleted receiving groups on teams this year. And a lot of people are making the argument, oh, Stefan Diggs is on the way out, he's 30 years old, he wasn't as good. they were actually better, you know, down the stretch last year when he wasn't playing as well. Do we think that everybody is going a little far with this whole, like, look, look what the Chiefs did without Tyree Kill, when in reality, he's Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs had a phenomenal defense,

and you can't try to replicate that. And you know what? The bills probably should have a great wide receiver on this team because right now they're Curtis Samuel, Matt Collins, and Khalil Shakir. That's what they're expecting to win with this year in 2024. Are we nuts? Yeah. I think, no, I think the lesson to be learned from the chiefs who, like, like I said, like, oh, you know, go draft the receiver.

Oh, you've Josh Allen, like having a league quarterback makes it easier. But the chiefs, you know, let's go drafts guy more in the second round, right? This is where, you know, we can go develop guys. Guys, get Justin Ross late. Like, we can develop our dudes that went and they got MVS on the contract. Oh, trade for Cadarious Tony. Like, we can elevate guys here because we have batching homes and we have Andy Reed. And largely, like, Rishi Rice, nonwithstanding, that didn't work out too well, right?

I think that when I try to figure out why these wide receiver cores are depleted, I don't start with the wide receiver talent. I start with the volume. We are just fielding so many more receivers than we used to. And we were throwing the ball so much more than we used to. So there are just so many more reps that involve your wide receiver three

than there were 15 years ago. Like I remember when Austin Colley was the wide receiver three for the Peyton Manning Colts. You remember Austin Colley? Yeah. Yeah, he sounded like a dog. And then everybody was like, oh, and man, Austin Colley.

Good rep, Ostercolly, nice stuff. Osse Colli was not getting volume. Austin Colley was not getting an opportunity. It was just once a game making a tough catch over the middle. Folks like, this is great. Look at this. Wide receiver three. This is nuts.

Now your wide receiver three is 60 target, 70 target guy. Like this is a serious, serious role. And while the, the Tide, like the rising tide, the median wide receiver talent is unquestionably going up. And certainly there are more and more elite guys than there's ever been. We have to remember, like, wide receiver threes are still just wide receiver threes. You can't take MVS who's like a wide receiver three. and then stick them on the chiefs, like, oh, you're a wider receiver one now.

Some dudes can't handle the volume. Some dudes can handle the route tree. Like the rolls are still the rolls. So you still need to go get yourself like A1, a dude, right? Oh, Curtis Samuel's now the wider receiver one for the bills. No, he isn't. He's still Curtis Samuel, right? You need to go find a guy who can actually be a wide receiver one for you.

It's derelicked. It's like you're putting ugly clothes on hot people and they're like, look, and then ugly people put on the ugly clothes and it's like, oh, my homes with the derelique looked fine. We can move on, but my closing thought is just like, If you couldn't beat Patrick Mahomes with Stefan Diggs. He did drop the pass out of the divisional round, right? I mean, I don't know. Yeah.

I do think Diggs is going to be better than he was that late stretch in Buffalo. I know people are like, oh, Diggs was bad, late Buffalo. He's going to be better in Houston. I agree. I believe that pretty sure. Yeah. All right, let's go to the Dolphins. They have the 21st overall pick.

No third rounder because of the tampering punishment with Tom Brady, which is still something we don't talk about enough. Win total nine and a half. Second best best odds to win the division. High fits. What do the dolphins need? Speaking of a team that doesn't need wide receivers, what are the dolphins need? The dolphins are like a real Miami team because they, one, are kind of living this fast life.

Like, I feel like the illusion they're rich, but their elephants are kind of broke. And then they also have Tyree Kill Jalen Waddle. They have all the speed. And I feel like it's kind of like just a very cocaine rich life that Miami's offense is living. But in reality, they haven't eaten food in three days. And it sounds cool. But they actually just need something like inside, solid in the middle. Like the dolphins need guards on offense.

The dolphins are like Leo and Wolf of Walms. street when he's like, cocaine to wake me up, ludes to me out, weed to keep me going. Yeah. It's like, eat a burrito, dude. This is a great metaphor. Hi, Fitz. You nailed this one. Well, they lost Christian Wilkins and I'm looking at Miami and I'm like, dude, Byron Murphy out of Texas. I don't know who you think so like fits the defense best, but I'm like, guards, like get something, get something in the stomach there guy. Nah, just go deep to Tyree. Nah. Yeah. No, I agree. I think that there's a temptation to be like, Can you remember last year when our first pick was Devon A-Chain?

What if our first pick this year was like, Brock Bowers. Oh, that's go crazy. No, go get a defense attack, we're getting a guard. I agree. You've done your frivolous spending. It's time to eat your weedies. You got to get better on the interior. Offense or defense.

An error for Toronto Armset as well. The left tackle is also a position in need, in my opinion. A-chan in retrospect was kind of like the Kualudes from Wolf and Wall Street. They were like, oh, the first two games. This thing doesn't even work. And they're like, whoa. 70 against the Broncos. It was objectively worth it.

Yeah, three grading scale. If we're going down, we're going down running extremely fast. All right. The Jets, third best odds in the AFC East. They have the 10th overall pick. Nine and a half. Is there wins over under prediction for 2024? Third best odds to win the AFC East.

High fits, I have to imagine you're going to say that the Jets need to protect their 40-year-old quarterback coming off in Achilles injury. Dude, yeah, the Jets are the expendable. They're like Joe Douglas, the GM and Robert Solid, the head coach are going to be fired if they don't make the playoffs. So it's like they're getting everyone together for one last job and everyone's just old and beat up. And it's Rogers, a 40-year-old coming off to Achilles injury. You have Mike Williams, a 29-year-old coming off an ACL tear.

You have Tyrone Smith, a three-year-old tackles, a left and right tackle, and left tackle hasn't played a full season in a decade. And they're just like, yeah, sure, it'll work. If not, we're dead anyway, right? So they're hoping. And so, but the Jets still need a receiver and a tackle, even though they signed Williams and Smith,

because those guys wants the healthy. I vehemently think the Jets need a tackle because if the Jets are doing this thing where they're like, yeah, we're going to just build for now and not screw up later, hopefully. When is Aaron Rogers trusted a rookie receiver? Why would the Jets take Brock Bowers a tight end

or any of these receivers when Rogers very famously doesn't throw to these guys and the Jets season's about now? I really strongly think the Jets go offensive line and I really strongly think they take Troy Fautano out of Washington because he reminds me a lot of Elijah Vera Tucker, and the Jets took him in the first run a few years go. Oh, that's a good comp. I like that comp. Yes, sure. Yeah, great. 100% awesome. Cool.

draft Brock Bowers. How funny would it be if like the judge got. But what would happen? Would Rogers throw to Brock Bowers or would he just not out of spite? So like maybe yes, maybe no. Like I think that a lot of the Rogers like here's how I treat rookie pass catchers. Like he had a lot more leeway in Green Bay when he was in his 30s and he was Aaron Rogers MVP, whatever. Now you're like, hey, desperate for a win. Like you need to prove. You need to prove. you're you're not over the hill. He's got a lot less like, you know, clout in the building. I obviously saw him Rogers to the point where I think that like he's going to be a little bit more likely to give a bit of a leash to a young receiver. The other thing is that like Brock is a design touch guy, right? Like because Brock's so good after the catch, you can call plays that are like

tight end screen where it's like it's not about oh, will Rogers throw it to the rookie. It's like, hey, like the play is going to the tight end whether or not you want it to, right? This is just an instructor play. So I think Brock's a good short term and long term guy for them. thinking about the Rogers future and the expendables aspect got to win now got to retain the job but then also just like having a good player for a while. Brock Bowers, I love him as a prospect. I think it's underrated. Brock Bowers on the Jets is the most bust Jets draft pick I can think of. He just won't work there.

You have to believe. Yeah, honestly, Mike Williams is another guy. Like, I have zero faith in Mike Williams working out this year for the Jets. This man is going to be 30 years old coming off a torn ACL. He can't even stay. I mean, he has been healthy in his entire career. Like, when's the last time Mike Williams got through 16 games without terrifying fans that he tore his knee.

He's like the Deontay Johnson of the West Coast. That was the show you guys did without me. Craig was like, I think Mike Williams will be a jet. He feels like a jet. He feels like a jet. He smells like a jet.

And then he's signed with the jets. Craig divined Mike Williams to the jets. It's not going to work out. I think Mike Williams is going to disappear off the face of the earth this year. But anyway,

moving on to the New England Patriots, third overall pick in the draft. Win total projection this year. Five and a half wins. There's 17 to 1 to win the division. High Fitz. once again, we look back at the quarterback room and the wide receiver room.

Who do the Patriots need? Obviously, they need a quarterback outside of that. Dude, the Patriots are such lucky bastards. Even when they're doing terribly, they can just bounce back. Like, the Patriots need a quarterback, a receiver, and a left tackle. And they are in like perfect position to get all three.

They have a third pick at a quarterback, and a draft with like three top consensus guys, I think. And then they also just can get a receiver to tackle. They're the two deepest positions in this draft. And I don't know. I feel like it's really not hard to envision that the Patriots being able to get all three, just fail.

fix their offense. I, like, sure, Drake May. Like, I like, move back. Like, fix the law and everything. Yeah, you got to, like, I think that you are more likely to get an elite quarterback in this year's draft than you are in next year's draft, just in terms of where you're going to be drafting.

And then also the caliber of the quarterbacks that come out. And so, like, I would, I, I feel good about the, the, the, the Patriots taking the swing this year. Oh, yeah. Sorry, that's what I was saying. I'm saying that Patriots can take a quarterback. But then here's the thing. Even if, I mean, so, we're expecting, what, nine offensive, like the most offensive

offensive tackles ever in round one? the Patriots can get Drake May. They could just trade back up and they could just go get another tackle if they really want to go back in the first round or they can be able to have the fifth receiver in the draft of this very deep receiver draft or they might be able to get

every year the Patriots have this like receiver they skip that becomes amazing. They skip an A.G. Brown. They skip Debo Samuel. They skip Keenan Allen like every draft. This is the year. The Pats just take a third round receiver one of the first four or five picks of the third round.

The Pats could go and get like they could get each guy. This is the year the Pats could hit on the receiver. And lest we forget, all right? The defense last year, pretty good. Rod May was the D.C. He's back. Kyle Dugger, extension. And got Josh Uche returning.

Farmore is still back. Juden coming back from injury. Christian Gonzalez coming back from injury. I'm not saying, but I'm just saying. I'm not saying. I'm just saying. To me, don't you think it makes the most sense? Like, Pat should stay at three,

draft a quarterback, sit him the entire year, suck again, get another top five pick and kind of regroup and plan for the, the future here. A hundred percent. New England fans, I'm sure it's hard to not be good every year anymore, but you got to trust the process with this one and look long term. A hundred percent, Craig, and I also think it's underrated.

The Texans tanked and it worked. The Lions tanked and it worked. Two years of being horrible, slingshot. And I think the Patriots are in position to do that because you get the quarterback, get a tackle and receiver. Next year, be bad. You're right, Craig. Do it again.

Get another tackle and receiver boom. you have an offense already at a defense. I don't know. I want to take Drake May. I want to take him. Take Drake May. I'm not saying don't. I'm saying do all three.

The first three rounds. Take Drake May and sit Drake May. I am with. I agree that he should sit for a lot of reasons. Let's move over to the AFC North here. We'll start with Baltimore. They have a 30th pick in the first round. Their win total is, I believe, the highest in the league.

It's tied at 11.5. Healthy. 44% chance to win the, the, the AFC North, I just don't know about that. I was going to ask you about this. So the Ravens, I think it's weird that the Ravens have almost a one and two shot to win the AFC North. I just,

when this is a tough division and I don't know. The Ravens got brain drained. Mike McDonald, the defensive coordinator left. They lost their defensive line coach. They lost a bunch of players. They lost, I mean, really the front office, the Ravens were brain drained for the first time. Like we've seen Belichick have to cycle through three entire staffs in five or six years. The Ravens, this is the first time.

then Danny Kelly Joe Ortiz, the Danny Kelly Dopplganger went to run the Chargers front office. And I look in like the line, the Ravens still have like Kyle Van Nuoy's going to be their edge rush. And I'm like, yeah, they just, I don't know.

It's weird to me, but this is a team that needs a lot of edge defense. They need edge rushers. They need cornerbacks. But like, I don't think the Ravens are going to win the division this year. They're in a weird spot, I feel like.

I feel like this is the year after it was supposed to happen. So we're in this like weird letdown. The vibes are kind of, you know, weird. Greg Roman left. They have just new eyes. offense. It seemed to be going great. They flame out once again in the playoffs. And now we're in like this weird era where it's like, are the vibes still high? Is the optimism still there? The defense isn't going to be as good as it was. That kept them in a lot of games last year.

They were never losing. And so, I don't know, to me, the momentum is not working in the Ravens' favor right now. So, like, I agree that there are Ravens concerns. The straw that stirred the drinks Last year, we talked about why the Ravens were successful. Todd Monkin, Lamar Jackson, Mike McDonald. I do think they only lost, like, one of the big three in terms of, like, Lamar's taking the big step forward,

the coordinator changes that they have. I feel good about that. The other thing is, like, this is a difficult division, and the Ravens have the red flags. So to the Brown, so of the Steelers, sort of the Bengals.

Like, this entire division is going to be impossible to handle. Because the Ravens have, I agree, the Ravens are too big of a favorite to win this division. I still think they are, they should be the favorite. But the Bengals, man, like, Burrow coming back off injury.

That defense last year was abysmal. Worst explosive play defense in the league. Cleveland Browns don't need to go into what their problems are. Joe Flacco is playing in that playoff run. Pittsburgh Steelers. Russell Wilson versus Justin Fields to see who goes 9 and 8, right? Like, I have no doubt that this division is going to be tough. It's going to be close down the stretch.

But while the Ravens have their red flags like everybody else does, Ravens to me like edge makes sense. I do think that this defense will always not need elite edge play. Like, I think that it can always be, one of the reasons why it works is that it doesn't require elite edge play. Corner, I think, is more so than they need their breadbuttered, and they performed really well their last year, but Corner wouldn't surprise me. Offensive line, right?

They lose both John Simpson and Morgan Moses. Ronnie Stanley was, like, playing half a series, taking a series off last year. Like, they are, the offensive line to me is the spot where it's like, hey, you have a couple of starters. You love what you have in Linderbom. They're also, dude. Like, they desperately need more bodies in the offensive trenches. To that point, I actually want to.

playing a flag here. I think if there's not a great lineman at the spot, the Ravens pick 30th, I think there's actually a quarterback taken here. I think that a team that wants Michael Petty's Jr. is probably going to swap up and with this 30th pick that the Ravens has. A fifth quarterback goes in the first round. I will be irate. But hey, good business for the Ravens. Charge them a lot. Move back. How much money do you lose if Michael Penix goes in the first round? Oh, my exposure on under four and a half quarterbacks in the first round is pretty substantial. That would, that would be a negative experience for me. How substantial? Like what you have to sit down with your wife and explain.

Do you disclose your betting habits with your partner? Yes, mayor knows. No, I never will place enough on one bet where like if I lose this, I would have this like, be like, mayor, like, guess what we just lost? This is terrible. There are definitely days where I sit down and I'm like, dude, I was mistreated by the gods of luck today. But like overall, no.

Like, I'm not a big limit better, nor do I want to be a big limit better. But you're getting your future baby a nicer crib, though, if Michael Pettix is a second. In terms of all, I built the crib this last weekend, baby. It's nice. Don't talk about how nice my baby's crib, but I got the Ferrari cribs up there. No, I just, when it comes to, you know, like a lot of what I'll do in the draft is just buying, you know, long shot odds that I think, like, have the chance of aging well and eventually closing line value. But every so often, the draft is a knowledge market and you want to be able to, like,

put pretty substantial money down on something that you think is like a near certainty. and I would be just stunned if we get a fifth quarterback in the first round. I'd be flabbergasted. All right, we'll come back to that a little later. All right, let's go to Cincinnati then. Cincinnati, 18th pick in the draft, 10 and a half win total this year. They have the second best odds to win the AFC North. They're plus 165, so a little bit below Baltimore.

High Fitz, I'm guessing you're going to say that the Bengals need to get better in the trenches, both offensively and defensively. Yeah, basically. I mean, I think the Bengals kind of a wandering eye. Some teams replace guys when they're gone. The Bengals replaced guys while they're gone. they're still there. Like when the Bengals have started that's going to leave in a year, they just bring in the new

guys. So like they did that with Jesse Bates. They brought in Dax Hill. They're like, hey, Jesse, will you train Dax? And then he did. And then he left. And they keep doing that. I think that the three spots the Bengals need for 2025, which I think is how the Bengals look

at this. T. Higgins is the obvious one, right? I think that T. Higgins, they're not, I don't think the Bengals trade him because I think the Bengals want to make a Super Bowl run one last time with this whole group. But then I do think T. Higgins leaves. And I think a receiver for Cincinnati will fill that void in 2025. But to your point about the trenches,

they need a right tackle. Like they have Orlando Brown Jr. On the left side, I think a right tackle that, like an Ameris Mims that of Georgia like couldn't red shirt for a year. They have Trent Brown signed for a one year deal and then Ameris Mims could step in for 2025.

And then just defensive tackle. The Bengals couldn't stop the run. And then they lost their best run stopping tackle. So, but in the first round, I think the Bengals go right tackle. Like, I'm really confident the Bengals go tackle. Yeah.

I think offensive line makes most sense for the Bengals. I will say that from what I understand, they're pretty sensitive about their edge rusher spot. opposite, Trey Hendrickson, where Henderson's been so good for them, but like Sam Hobbit's had health problems. Joseph Asai hasn't developed for them. They took Miles Murphy in the first round last year. He couldn't break the rotation.

I do think adding to the past rush is also on the table for them. All right. Moving on, Cleveland. No first rounder because of Deshawn Watson trade. Eight and a half win total for 2024. Third best odds to win the AFC North, 15% chance. High fits. What do you got for Cleveland?

So doing team needs, I look at Cleveland. And I'm like, Cleveland just needs Deshaun Watson. to play better. Like going through all these team needs, they get to Cleveland, they have no first, they have no first rounder. The Browns have three picks in the top 200.

For context, the Cardinals have 10 picks in the top 200. The Browns have three. So I look and I'm like, they already made their bets. They traded for Jerry Judy as receiver. Like the Browns are just adding backups and stuff. It's like the Browns have made the playoffs last year

with Joe Flackard quarterback and like a third string left tackle and a third string right tackle. It's like, Desjohn Watson just needs to play like a quarterback that they traded three first for it gave a quarter billion dollars. How many more first rounders would they trade away for Deshawn Watson to play for a guarantee? Two more?

A hundred percent guarantee all of them. If you were a guaranteed good quarterback play, you trade the whole world. Oh, I've been meaning to ask you us. How many first would you give for Patrick Mahomes? As many as I could. Like, would you give 10? Well, can't you not trade? How many years?

Yeah, you're not allowed to trade more than three. You only trade three years in a future. But let's get rid of that rule. Would you give like 20 first rounders from Holmes? I think I would. I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. What would you do with 20 first rounders?

Yeah. I don't think. So yes, I'm not giving 20. Dude, I'm not going to be alive in 20 years. Exactly. Exactly. That's the point. That's the point. So like, you know why?

What are you supposed to do with the 20 first rounders? Go to Super Bowl. What gives you a better chance of going to a first rounder? Going to a Super Bowl. Two first, the next 20 years or Patrick Mahomes. I think it's Mahomes. I've essentially saying like, let's just drink 20 beers tonight. It'll be a really fun night.

And then like, who cares what happens the rest of the way? Look, if you're a GM and you spend 20 first round, picks, you're going to get fucking fired anyway, so might as well just have to have pass you got it, right? What you have to do is you have to trade 21st round picks and immediately retire. And then like, I'm leaving the next guy with a great position. He's got Mahomes. If he can't build it, it's not, it's not my bad. I asked this, I know this sounds stupid, but I asked this because I said, the Giants should trade up for Caleb Williams. And I'd give up four first to do it. And people said I was insane. And I was like,

go to your team's draft page and pick the, look at the last four first round picks and tell me if you want those guys for Caleb Williams. Look, four, I can get behind 20s a lot. Yeah, you know what? Yeah, that's fair. That's probably that point. Speaking of your team. Yeah, let's go to Pittsburgh here.

Steelers have the 20th picking the draft. They're over under, they're over under seven and a half. They won 10 games last year with Kenny Pickett and Mrs. Rudolph. And you're telling me there's three wins worse with Justin Fields and Russell Wilson. Yeah, 10% shot, according to Fandle to win the division. I feel like the Steelers need, they need a center. they need a tackle, they need receivers, they need a corner. But I don't think they're going to take a wide receiver.

The Steelers don't take wide receivers in the first round. They're too cocky. They're too good at taking it in the second round. 100%. They believe in their ability to develop guys. So I don't think they're going to take a wide receiver in the first. To me, I think they're going to take an offensive tackle. With the receiver, do you guys have a friend who will always order like a Miller Light

of course light regardless of how nice the place they are is? Yeah, that's my brother. Yeah, it's like they'll be in like a five-star Michelin restaurant. They're like, do you have course? Do you have Miller High Life? On draft? Yeah. That's the Steelers.

They're not going to do a first rounder. But I do think they take a right tackle and they move Broderick Jones to left. The left because they took them in the first round last year. And the Steelers moved up. They jumped the Jets because Bill Belichick wanted to screw over the Jets. and they jumped the Jets to take a tackle. I kind of think the Steelers do that again. I think the Steelers move up a little bit and jump the Bengals and take a tackle too.

I kind of wonder if they do that. Get a Marius Mims, dude. Marius Mimbs. Broderick Jones, Darno, Washington, George Pickens. Let's build ourselves a 2021 national champion, Georgia. Detroit, 22, National Champion, in Georgia team. I love it. Yeah, I mean, it all makes sense to me.

The Steelers have not had a good offensive line in a long time. And I would like to give Russell Wilson at least some time to throw his moonballs. I was saying Graham Barton out of Duke is kind of like David DeCastro. There's a lot of Steelers-y players in this draft that they'll get. I'm excited for the second or third round wide receiver that the Steelers draft. I can't wait. Whoever it is, they're going to be great. Wound?

Third round wide receiver is a tongue-twister. That's tough. No, I'll give that one. If not, wide receiver and not offensive tackle. Is there a position that stands out, do Craig? Corner? We got nothing behind Joey Porter. The reason why I'm asking that is because, yeah, they have unbelievably, inarguably,

the most nothing of all nothing behind Joey Porter. And yes, I know they just traded for Dante Jackson. I'm saying what I'm saying. And they are in a spot where I think they could kick off like the second tier of corners, the Cooper DeGine run, the Kooli and McKincher and the Nate Wiggins run. I think corners is a decent shot for the Steelers round one.

Yeah, I'd be okay with that too. Offender to tackle or corner would be my preference. All right, let's go to the NFC South. Houston, Texans. No first rounder this year. Traded it away. They also traded away their 2025 second for Stefan Diggs. Their win total is eight and a half.

Fandall, what are we doing here? Eight and a half. Their win total is eight and a half. And CJ Stroud right now is the third favorite twin MVP. One of those. I don't know. One of those doesn't make sense. When I look at the Texans and what they need,

I look at the draft sometimes like a restaurant with like a diner, like a lot of things in the menu. Okay. The Texans are the team that has food at home. Like Houston's just, they're not hungry. of stock. They have everything. Houston just, they have a quarterback on a rookie contract. They just traded for digs. They have Nico Collins to take down. They have good

offensive line. Laramette Tunsell just beat Miles Garrett one-on-one in the playoffs. They're going to call it an early night. They're going to, they're going to, they're going to drill. They'll D-D. They don't need anything. They're just they came to dinner, but they're like, yeah, I'm not hungry. I'm going to get a water. And like the Texas really, though, they trade it. Like, they have a 40-second pick, but they don't need anything. The Texans can just sit there and take the best

player available. Are the Texans is the best team in the league? Is anyone Is anyone beating the Texans? But what's weird to be about Houston is they're bad, like, their secondary. They have the guys, you know, like sometimes teams fill out their secondary with like random flotsom dudes floating around the league. All the players, the Texans sign and their defensive backs are like top 10 picks. They have three different top 10 cornerbacks, including two different cornerbacks that were the number three pick in the draft.

They signed Akuta, right? This year they got a good. Yeah, they have Jeff Okuda and they have CJ Henderson, top 10 picks. And their other guys are also, Jalen, Petrie was the second rounder, safety. And then they also have Lonnie Johnson as a second rounder. Like they have like five guys who are top 45 picks.

The thing is like most of those dudes are bad. Yeah, but like it's cool. Right. Dimeco, Domingo Ryan's, by the way. Like, Damico definitely 100% has a little, you know,

I can fix that to him. Yeah, exactly. I'm saying, I don't know. Those other guys are bad defensive coaches. I'm a good defensive coach. It's not going to be a problem. It's like John Gruden being like,

I'll sign Nathan Peterson. Yeah. Hyver's like I got to say, you successfully saying flotsam and pronouncing it correctly was inspiring. That was like the Steelers plus 850 on Fandle. That was, I had to go double check to make sure I was like, that is how you pronounce Fawcett.

That was huge. I loved it. Thank you. Wow. Can somebody tell me where we're at with Derek Stingley lately? How do we feel about him? He's good now. He's been good.

He's just been unhealthy. Okay. He has paid off. I know he hasn't from a health standpoint, but from an on-the-field talent standpoint, he is properly drafted. I don't think he's better than sauce, and I don't think it's going to be easy for him to be better than sauce.

I don't think it's going to happen tomorrow. So that's always going to hurt you a little bit. But overall, I think you have a corner one. So you're feeling pretty good about that. If the Texans do anything, the 42nd pick, I think receiver digs and now Nico Collins and three agents next year. So Texans could maybe go receiver if they want to let those guys go. But we'll see.

All right. Let's go to Jacksonville, aka the team that everybody thought would be Houston. But in reality, they've kind of fumbled the bag here. Market corrected. They got market corrected by Houston immediately. they have kind of a disastrous wide receiver room. So the 17th pick in the draft, eight and a half win total.

Again, that's the same as the Houston Texans. Second best odds to win the division. High fits. Where are we at? So the Jaguars are the team that every time they need something, they Google it, and they just buy the first thing

that shows up on Google. Like no research, no price comparison. They don't even hit Ad DeCard. The Jaguars just hit the buy now. Like, do you need a receiver? And there's like, suggested for you. Gabe Davis, ship, boom, pay, 13 million. And they've done that with the whole team.

like they don't need anything on offense. They've actually either drafted really high or paid a lot of money to all 11 starters and almost all their defense. Every position on the Jaguars, they've thrown a lot of money at except cornerback. And I think Cooper DeGine at Iowa is honestly,

no one's calling this. Cooper DeGine is Kirkland Brand Jalen Ramsey. And I actually think Cooper DeGine is like the perfect player for the Jaguars defense. And he's also like that spot in the draft, but also just the Jaguars have just spent Lucille Bluth money at every other spot. I agree with you on Dejean.

DeGine is un-in-like, the film is good. The testing numbers came out, tested well. Like, there's a corner-to-safety conversation. I think you can play a corner. I'm with you on DeGine. The Jaguars wanted Calvin Ridley back in the building. In their head, I think their receiver room was Calvin Riddley, Gabe Davis, Christian Kirk.

I think they were kind of done with the Zay Jones. They were very clearly we're trying to sign Calvin. It very clearly was a surprise when they failed to, and he got out of the building. I don't think, I think there's a non-zero chance of Jackalien. are just like, we're going and get Roman Dunezay, wherever he falls to. Like, this is a non-jutor chance. The Jaguars are just like, we're trading up for another, like, we're adding another wide receiver to this room.

And I think it's going to put their corner room in terrible disarray. And it's also not going to solve their offensive problems or their offensive problems. And it's going to infuriate everybody. That's like cats in a wall from it. So is sunny. They gave Gabe Davis $13 million a year. They gave Evan Engram like a serious tight end contract. They gave Christian Kirk a serious contract.

Zay Jones, they did restructure recently. Like, they just keep putting cats in the wall. And they're like, I don't know how, how, how. they're going to trade up to get a receiver and they're going to have a guy making $10 million a year like on the bench? Yes. This is not a well-run team.

I don't know what you want. I can't justify how Trent Ball is, baby. Dude, they got nine extensions done and Josh Allen's on the tag. All right? This is not a team that is behaving the way they're supposed to be. There's going to be like a 30 for 30 in 10 years. I'm like, what happened to the Jaguars and Trevor Lawrence? What's that line?

They're like, oh, somebody says like, yeah, they're an odd duck. That's the Jags. So just an odd duck, that whole group. Okay, Colts, 15th pick in the first round, win total once again, eight and a half, third best odds to win the division. Anthony Richardson coming back, healthy from his shoulder injury. High Fitz. What do the Colts need? So the Colts need like summer clothes.

They just need some proof. They need some new pants. They need to go shopping, like get some stuff. I feel like Hyvitz is doing stand-up on this episode. Other people do team needs. We do team metaphors, man. The ringer exclusively brings you a team. imagery. But, but seriously, though, the Colts, they just need like some defensive players,

but Anthony Richardson's the hot girlfriend and they kind of want to get Brock Bowers, who's like this really cool like $1,200 jacket and they just want to stand next to Anthony Richardson with Brock Bowers. And I think they want to get Brock Bowers? I think that's the weight because the Colts don't need anything on offense. They have like low key, their entire offensive lines locked up. They have Michael Pittman receiver. They have Josh Downs at receiver. They have Alec Pierce at receiver. They kind of Jonathan Taylor signed it running back. How many teams have a running back on a contract extension. Anthony Richards, they have everything.

So it's like just go defense, either pass rusher, a cornerback. Like that's what the Colts need. But Brock Bowers would be sick, though, with Anthony Richardson. And I feel like that's the push pole of the Indianapolis is they should definitely go defense. Cool. Cool, though. It feels like Brock Bowers for every single team is like, do they need him? Maybe not, but would it be cool?

Hell yeah. Yeah. It's like a sports car. Exactly. He's like the midlife crisis. his dad buying a Corvette. Do we need it? No.

Would it be cool? Yes. So, like, who's the most midlife crisis team? I guess it's the Jets. But it's Jass's the Jaguar, right? I feel like the jet that like, even with like,

with like Doug and just the entire vibes around the Jaguars are like, we know we're supposed to be good, but we're not good. And we're not like panicking per se, but we're going to do like anything and everything. Like even like when they, like you talk about corner being an even.

They cut Darius Williams. It's kind of like, okay. like yeah, you save some money. And like, Darius Williams is your corner too. Good. You know you guys can, come here. You guys can make sure you draft one before you cut them. You know that, right?

Like, you can not cut them now and then make sure you get a corner and then cut them. But everything is always like, it's so urgent, it's so fast. And they end up cutting him and then they have nothing to do with the money. They're not extending Josh Allen for whatever reason and they don't get Calvin in the building. Well, the Jackson money is ridiculous. They have that executive who got, like, was it, $19 million? there's some court thing where he had been gambling with team funds, but then he wasn't doing well, even though he worked for the team.

The Jaguars just have like a bunch of things that are going on that are pretty insane at all times. Very eventful, eventful team, the Jacksonville Jaguars. Anyway, they're going to beg third in the division next year. And people are going to beg Trevor is a bust. And then I'm going to pull my hair out. All right, let's go to Tennessee here. Also, I don't think the Jets are midlife crisis.

I think the Jets are end of life crisis. Yeah, the Jets are end of life crisis. I think the Jags are quarter life crisis. The bills are midlife crisis. I like that. The Jets are like, I just got divorced. I'm 67 years old.

Yeah, the Jets are the ones getting, the Jets are getting the STDs in the nursing home. That's the Jets. They're in the Olympic Village. The Jets are exclusively watching Fox News at home

and coming up with some weird political theories accordingly. Well, that's a little too close to home. Yeah. Okay, let's go to Tennessee here. The seventh overall picking the draft. The Titans. So they will have us.

This is going to be a quarterback. They got Tony Pollard this year. They brought in Calvin Ridley. They still have DeAndre Hopkins. They have Traylon Burks. Shigakonkow at Tide End. They're putting together a solid offensive line. Maybe they need some more help.

High Fitz, where do you see the Titans going here? What do you think they need with this weird offensive team they have coming into this year? You said the Titans, they need offensive line. They need protein. The Ron Swanson at the counter saying give me all the bacon and eggs. No team has ever more needed left tackle than the Titans currently. left tackle. Like it's like if I can talk about bets and and bet sizing, if you made me take all the money I've placed on all my bets and just placed on one bet going and it'd be Titans to

take an offensive line with their first pick. Like you just, this year's tackle rotation for them, that the Andre Dillard contract, the Nicholas Petit Frere suspension and the play, the Jalen Duncan reps. Like it was just nightmare fuel stuff. And they added on the interior, but they need to add on the outside. To me, this is a tackle team every day of the week and twice on Sundays. Who is their left tackle right now? It's, it's Nicholas Petit. How do you say? French free air. I don't think you can have an offensive lineman with the last name Petit. I don't think you can, I don't think that's allowed.

Yeah, statistically it's poor. I also just keep going back to, I ask Brian Callahan, who's the Titans head coach at the combine, if his dad, who's the old line coach working for him was like cool or weird to be your dad's boss. He's like, yeah, he's like any other employee, you know? And then like 30 seconds later he was like, you know, not that I could tell him what to do, right? And I'm like, his dad's going to like look him down like Logan Roy and be like, we're taking a lineman. Right.

It's like any other employee if they were your father. Yes. Got it. Let's go to the AFC West, which is the most interesting division in AFC, in my opinion.

We'll start with the Chiefs. So much going on here. Chiefs have the last pick in the first round, win total 11. 1⁄2, which is tied for the highest in the league with ball to more

and I don't think anybody else in the FC. High Fitz, are the Chiefs going to draft a receiver at 32? No, I don't think they should. I think the Chief should take an offensive linemen unless literally nine linemen go ahead of the chiefs, which should be the

most ever. I look at the chiefs and I'm like, why, yes, it was really weird to watch the chiefs receivers lead the league of drops. But what about Tyree Kill missing the last two years for the chiefs and then winning two Super Bowls has made us think we need more receivers to the chiefs. The chiefs signed Marquis Brown, who is so much better than Marquez Velda Scantling if he can stay healthy, that I'm like, they upgraded it receiver. They have to go, their left tackle right now is Juania Morris, who I mean, it just sounds like... You great. No, frogs.

Oh, yeah. There you go, Kai. No, no, no, no. No, he was Oklahoma. I apologize. Lucas Nguyen, Morrow's Oklahoma. I am honestly devastated and embarrassed. The ringer and efflash that regrets the error.

Yeah, Kai. Yeah. T. Anyway, boomer sooner. But I just think the chiefs need to like, like, honestly, the chief should trade up to get a left tackle if they have to. Like, what's a better investment than protecting Patrick Mohams? Ben, you agree? Yeah.

I, I, like, very quietly said. this because I don't want Chiefs fans to be like a receiver and everybody was always so excited for all the receivers the Chiefs like at 32 but I think like the bigger need is definitely tackle where you just you have such good investment guard to guard why would you not want to

improve tackle play potentially have like a truly elite line be able to dominate in the running game but Holmes with more time in the pocket like that can't be a bad thing overall it feels like it's a rising title make the wide receivers play better along with the backs and along with the quarterbacks along with the guard so and so forth now if you've got a one on key on

Coleman, he falls to you. Take them. Right? Like I, I'm not going to fall to them to the think a receiver, but I do think tackle is a much bigger and likely a thing than a lot of folks realize. It's probably where I should probably read directly from the ESPN article about Rishi Rice and just quoted directly so it gets sued. Lawyer Chiefs Rishi Rice was driving Lamborghini and Grash is the headline. I think he's going to play. And so if you're listening to this and be like, but what about Rishi Rice, I think he will be playing football for the Chiefs. And so Rishi Rice and Hollywood Brown is with Kelsey is better. So yeah.

She's going to win the Super Bowl again. Let's go to the Chargers here. The Chargers have the fifth pick in the draft. I am personally the most interested in what Jim Harbaugh and the Chargers will do. So like I said, fifth pick, win total eight and a half. Second best odds to win the division. I know in this Greg Roman offense now in L.A., which is, by the way, it's just so not L.A. Like Craig Roman and in L.A.

It's just like the whole scheme. How L.A. would you say Jim Harbaugh is? He's more LA than Greg Moore. They're Orange County. It's pretty Orange County. It's Jim. Jim is in L.A. There's no way of knowing, dude.

At least Jim Harbaugh was like a San Diego guy at U.S.D. He has some, like, you know, his energy is a little bit like I like the spotlight, which is very Southern California. But High Fitz here, they desperately need a wide receiver and they desperately need offensive line help. Do you think they are going to continue to lean into becoming the Ravens of the West? They brought in Gus Edwards. They're going to bring in J.K. Dobbins. They're going to bring in every other Baltimore running back. Are they going to draft an offensive alignment at five,

even if Marvin Harrison Jr. is sitting there? Yes. The Ravens of the West sounds so cool. The Ravens of the West thing. The Ravens of the West. That's sick. That is good. The Ravens of the West.

And by that, I mean, they're going to lose in the first round of the playoffs for the next four years. The Ravens made it to the AMC Championship game, sir. Oh, my God. I like, I think they are the Ravens of the West, though. And that's the thing. like the Ravens, how long did they take them to realize they had to take receivers in the first round? Like four years. I mean, like, and that was after the Ravens 2019, like Lamar won the MVP.

The Ravens are like, we don't need receivers. Jim Harbaugh just went 15 and O at Michigan by doubling, tripling and quadrupling down on offensive line. Then they literally said out loud, yeah, we just care about offensive linemen and blocking. And then like Jim Harbaugh, everywhere goes is talking about how much offensive linemen are the best position and everything. And I think that the chargers are going to go online. no matter what you think. I don't think they're going to Marvin Harrison. I don't think they're taking a receiver.

And I think the charges trade down for this reason. Seems simple, but the charges need a right tackle. Like they have Rayshon Slater at left tackle. The charges need a right tackle. I think they go J.C. lay them in Alabama. The Titans, as Solek said, of the seventh pick, they need a left tackle. The charges can trade down to eight or even to 11,

probably still get the favorite right tackle off the board. So I think the chargers do move down and still get the guy they would take anyway. But I absolutely think the charges are going line. I'd be really surprised that they didn't. I also, a lean Chargers line, have been in Chargers line the whole time. Definitely got rid of Michael Williams and Keenan Allen.

And I was like, okay, if they take a receiver, I'll get it. I do think that the like, oh, Greg Roman, Jim Harbaugh, they're never going to pass the ball. Like, I think that has some truth to it. But also, like, you field receivers on 100% of the snaps.

You need to put guys out there who can play. And right now, Josh Palmer and Quinn Johnston, like, you're just not going to be able to generate a functional offense with that. So I do think that, like, I won't be stunned if they take a wide receiver early. I definitely think they, move around with this pick. I would be surprised if they stay at five in pick.

Quinn Johnston, Josh Palmer, Darius Davis, and Will Disley are the four best skill position players on the Chargers. Will Disill. Get that out there. Will Disseley. Just want to get that out there.

2019 Ravens. Marquise Brown, Willie Sneed, Seth Roberts, Miles Boykin. Markis Brown's better than any of those players I just named. Okay. I know. He was the first round receiver drafted in like the same slot as Quentin Johnson. How did that season work out for the Ravens? I don't want to

hear about like we're trying to be the Ravens. And then what? Do you think that they look at it as yeah, no, no, no, they're totally awash. It's like it was that. Greg Roman was like probably, I don't think the Ravens are looked. The Chiefs went like 11 and 7 this year and they win the Super Bowl. I don't care about that. I care about results. I don't care about

the regular season record. We are, we are unbelievably disrespecting Willie Ced the fourth at this time. All right. I love me a Willie Sneed. Willie Sneed had some moments. Yep. Now, were those moments having like 600 receiving yards in a season max?

Yes. But Willie Sneed, baby. He was a fun watch. He was a good time. He came through under the big lights. It felt like a Monday night football guy. Your beloved Josh Palmer or Willie Sneed? Josh Palmer.

Craig, Craig, you're a big Josh Palmer guy? I am. I think Josh Palmer's good. To be clear, the charges... I'm sorry, I'm not moving off Josh Palmer being good yet. I'd like a little more from that. So, DK's on this, too.

So if D. we're obsessed. We can fight both of you. This is now a time though. This is now a safe space because D.K.'s not here. Craig. Do you like Josh Palmer or did you and D.K. just contrarian like him because I hate Josh Palmer? No. I've always been in on Josh Palmer. I think it's because

I had a couple lucky waiver wire weeks with him. And you know, you can never get off somebody for that. I also genuinely the guy's hurt all the time, but I do feel like when he's healthy, he was making just as many plays as Mike Williams. If that was true for so many different L.A. Chargers, that guy when he was healthy, was so good.

Well, now they're going to rely on Quentin Johnson. Josh Palmer's good. Okay, well, no. Josh Palmer is, he is like ideal bait though. Because, right, once every four weeks, he has like four catches for 87 yards at a score. And you're like, dude, it's the Josh Palmer. Like, it's his time. And then three more weeks, nothing.

And then the next prime time game, the Chargers play, six catches 116 and a touchdown. He does, he has that exact cadence you want to always seem like you're on the precipice of a breakout. He is a little. He's a little Gabe Davisy, but look, Gabe Davis just got how many millions of dollars? Like, Josh Palmer's a steal. He's going to risk it all. On a rookie deal, he's unbelievable. Go home to your wife, Craig.

Next up, the Raiders, 13th pick in the draft, six and a half win total. Raiders need a lot of help. Hyattis, where do they start? So the Raiders, I mean, they need a quarterback. They have the Mustash Brothers, Gardner, Minchur, and Aden O'Connell quarterback. I just, Wario and Wallyji, basically. And then they, I mean, I think they could use some offensive tackles. I think that they could use...

Why didn't you go Mario? and Luigi. Why did you go Wario and Walo? Because I threw that out to Austin Gale as a Raiders fan and he said what Mario and Luigi are legends, so I don't get it. Okay. Sure. I was actually going to ask you about that. Is that I was like, yeah, I don't know. That's fair. Yeah. Waluigi and Wario are, you know, the ugly steps. I'm definitely aware of Mario and Luigi as legends. Yeah. Okay. But anyway, the Raiders need a lot. And here's my, so here's my thing.

They have the 13th pick. They need a quarterback. But they also need other picks like cornerback that are available through i would like to play a game i am going to be antonio pierce the head coach of the raiders i would like so like to be tom telesco the gm of the raters who's new and i would like craig to be mark davis the owner of the raiders who's probably just gotten back from his favorite restaurant pf janks uh i it's we're on the clock i would like to draft michael pennix the quarterback from washington i'm the gm right yeah okay get out of my office this is not your day this is my day why should the raiders not take michael pettix because he's not good enough to take a 13 overall.

But do you, but so you're like, what? Could it take them in the second round? Yeah, but if you, if you try and look at this as nobody has any idea which quarterbacks are going to work out, shouldn't you just take a quarterback? See, the whole like nobody has any idea what quarterbacks are going to work out. Like, sure, but also we can kind of say like with a lot of confidence, if you're not willing to take a, like, as I am, if you're not willing to take a guy like top 15 with Michael Penix, he's probably bad, right?

Like, if you look at the history of, of, of, of, quarterback's taking the back half of the first round, your successes are like Jordan Love, who sat for three years and Lamar Jackson, who the entire league hated because his mom was his agent and he was good at running for whatever reason, right? Like, it's just, in general, it's your Johnny Mansell's and your Paxton Lynch's and your Tim Tebow's and your, your Brock Osweilers. It's just like, oh, this guy's developmental and then he just never is. Like, he never comes along. Like that you still, like, even if like drafting a quarterback is very hard, the, the, the risks that you take in the top five, top 10 tend to be way better than the risk to take outside of

it. And I don't have, as a guy who's worthy of that sort of a pick. But Pennix isn't developed. Here's my question with Pennix. One, I don't see him as developmental. I see him as like if anything he's older and like they're like, oh, maybe he is what he is and also obviously the injury risk of four season and any injuries. But here's my thing.

Penix had an unbelievable season, but he had a stacked receiver room, right? And like Roma Dunezay, who is the pro comp for Roma Dunez? Stee-as, you have so like. Devonte Adams. Well, shit, the Raiders have the real Devante Adams. So why is Michael Pennix not a perfect fit to play on the ratings? You can't. You can't take a quarterback because the receiver he threw to in college is com to the receiver that's currently on that team.

Why not? Yeah. Because that doesn't make you more likely to be good. Penix is 24 years old. He's had multiple season-ending knee injuries. He played in college with three NFL receivers and NFL running back and NFL tight end and two NFL tackles and one NFL center. Wait, can I be Mark Davis?

The NFL is a coordinator. Can I be Mark Davis here? Yeah. Michael Pennix? I don't know how Mark Davis really sounds. Michael Pennix? I imagine he's like this. I watched one college football game last year and it was, it was 10.

Texas, Washington, and my stadium, Allegiance Stadium in Vegas. Michael Pennix, not the best performance I've ever seen in my life. Wait, what's that? He ran a 4-5-5? Big fast man. Last team here, Denver Broncos. They have the 12th overall pick. They have no second rounder because they traded for Sean Peyton, the coach.

Their win total is 5.5. They have the worst odds to win. 20-to-1 odds to win the AFC West. High fits. Go for Denver. dude, the Broncos just need players, man. Like, they give a three first and three seconds to get Russell Wilson and Sean Peyton.

Like, do you know, like, that's six of your best picks. Like, they just don't have people. They have very few people that have been drafted that have played defense to them. And they offense players, they hate. Like, I think Sean Payton actively hates them to the point where they need a tackle. They could use Brock Bowers. But I'm like, Sean Payton just honestly, he's like Sean Calipari. Like, I just keep waiting for him to just take a buyout and leave this job.

because this whole thing, the Broncos, I think they go Brock Bowers, but they could honestly do anything because they need everything. They're such an interesting team to me because the way that this is supposed to work is that the head coach tries to win now and the GM tries to make sure the team is healthy

for the next three to five years. And that's why you want your GM to be in charge on draft day. You want him to be the final say. He's the hand on the phone. In Denver, the hand on the phone is Sean Payton. And when head coaches get control over front offices and the power balance kind of flips a little bit, you see those sort of teams,

they tend to be super aggressive in investing in win now approaches, right? Like if Sean Payne is really calling the shots on the, with the Broncos draft board and their draft capital, what do we put the likelihood at that he like trades back for more picks? Zero. Yeah. That's not how head coaches behave. And so while I agree, like the Broncos should just try to take the,

let's get young talent. Let's see if we can hit on a second round or hit on a third rounder. Let's make a lot of draft picks, high draft volume, get some young guys who can perform for us, get a higher floor on this team. survive the Russell Wilson dead cap years. I think it's less likely they do that than they like try to trade up to five and get in front of the Vikings go draft J.

and McCarthy. Like that to me feels like much more likely though it's not healthy for the Broncos to do. So do you think it's more or less likely that the Broncos come out of the first round with a quarterback? Oh, I don't, I think it's less than 50%. I think it's like 10, 15%. But if you came for three weeks in the future and you said, Ben, a team jumped the Vikings trading up to go get the fourth quarterback off the board.

the team that I would bet on behaving that way would be the Denver Broncos. And they don't have a second rounder because of the Sean Payton trade. I think the reason the Vikings got the two first round picks is because the Broncos don't have a second rounder to offer so that when you weigh a Broncos Vikings trade, even if the Broncos are worse,

the Vikings having two first rounders to give you versus the Broncos having one and then no second rounder this year because they gave them away. Are the Broncos the biggest disaster in the league? Yeah, I think so because, yeah, for sure. Or Cleveland? I don't know. Cleveland made the playoffs. Yeah, clearly made the playoffs.

but they're also more disastrous because the Deshaun thing was just so horrible. Here's the thing about Denver that is mind-boggling, all right? I'm going to name for you every player that is on the Broncos roster in the year 2026. So it's not next year, not the following year, but in

2026. Under contract right now are wide receiver Marvin Mims. Right tackle Mike McGlinchie, guard Ben Powers, backup center, Alex Forsyth. We have a defensive end Ioma Ouzareke. I apologize if I didn't pronounce your name correctly.

Drew Sanders, linebacker, Brandon Jones, safety, Riley Moss, Corner, J.L. Skinner, safety. That's the entire team. All right. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 players that they have in 2020. And four of those guys probably won't make it. Right.

Almost all of them are rookies who just have contracts that are sized out that way, right? Oh, J.L. Skinner, Drew Sanders, Marvin Mims. And then it's the guys they just signed in, Ben Powers and Mike McClintchie. This team has no bones. There's no skeleton. There is no, this is the infrastructure. These are the cornerstones on which we built.

Nothing. They are a complete blank slate after these next two years because the theory was win now. The problem is their starting quarterback because Jared Stidham. Denver is in an unbelievably unhealthy place long term. Other than that,

the Sean Payton trade was great. I think that's all the team. Again, the team needs, if you want more in death, NFL draft, Rear.com, we have in addition to DK. Skouting reports, I have team needs there and we have all the picks and all the friendly suggestions

on players, stuff we discussed today. Solek has a mock draft there. I have a mock draft coming out this week. DK., you know, rest in peace to DK. He's, you know, he's on the site. We don't need to do that. Rest and peace. D.K. died. Just, how about D.K.

Rest. Rest. Yeah. And hydrate. Rest in bed. R.I.B. Think of my RIB tonight. Get a little. Get a little I'm living in. Cheeky R. Damn, D.K. is sick. R.I.B.

The, we can get this out of. We can go. That's good. There's something there. Yeah. We're going. We got a stew going. R.I.P.

Carl Weathers. And it comes full circle. While we're here, I want to ask you a thing. So it's 6 p.m. It's Monday. The eclipse. I wanted to take you guys as temperature of the eclipse because I feel like I had no idea how big of a deal. I knew what was happening.

Friday, I found out that there were like schools, closing for the eclipse. There's this incredible story about prisoners in New York State who wanted to see it. The prison said no. So the prisoners sued New York State, the prison. And they won. And the prisoners got to watch the eclipse because they sued. So

I love space. I love all the stuff. But I was like, you know what? I went out. I watched the eclipse. I had the glasses. It already happened. Like, I don't, I actually know nothing about it because I'm pretty sure people in California are barely. In fact, like we're not even going to see it. So you already saw it already occurred? Well, seeing it, the glasses, it was actually cool to look at it happening.

And I feel bad because I'm a nerd. I'm not trying to be too cool for school. I love space, a level of stuff. But it was supposed to be DC. It was not in the path of oblivion or whatever the hell it's called. It's called the Umbra. Path of Oblivion is an all-time movie title. Dude.

Yeah, that's as cool. That's as cool as Ravens of the West. Ravens of the West, path of oblivion. Yeah. I tweeted. I was like, man, how did we not have a prison movie from the 90s that involved like a group of prisoners escaping in the one hour of darkness during a clip? No, no, that's the entire plot of Avatar, the last Airbender, is that, Ang, they have to attack the Fire Nation during eclipse because the fire nation is no power.

Okay, okay. Spoilers, Danny. It's the first episode. It's the first episode. Is it not? This is halfway through book two. Do not come to me with Avatar plotting. Show is 20 years old. Yes, and it is a delightful show, and everybody should watch it.

It's on Netflix, animated series. Wow, Craig. Craig's on the outside it on a pop culture reference. How you feel it, Craig? Yeah, I don't know. Sure. I've heard it. I've heard great things.

but I did not watch it. It's really, the animated one, the live action makes no sense. I haven't seen it, but making the live action makes no sense. The animated show is great. There was an M. Night Shamelan movie, which was a travesty

and a miscarriage of justice and all that is beautiful in the world. And then there was a Netflix-produced live adaptation, which was not offensive and rancid the way that the M-N-Cham-Land movie was, but was largely displeasing. People like that, though,

did well, right? That show was success. It did well. And here's the thing. I watched the whole thing in two days and I didn't even enjoy it but I just loved I love the stories,

love the character so much and all I did when I was 11 was running around and be like earth bending, water bending and to see it done in person like did it done live actually visually it was wonderful it was stunning.

It was so nice. The casting and some of the story decisions whatever, not as good. Here's my question, Craig. Why are they turning animated shows into live action when they should be turning

live action shows into the spiderverse was perfect. They took a real movie, live action, made it animated, and the movie was better because it was animated. Now they're trying to turn all these animated shows into live action. I want live action things turn into animation. Yes, you can argue quality-wise that across the Spider-verse movies were better. But if you look at the live-action Spider-Ben movies, they all made more money than the animated ones.

So I think that's your answer right there. Oh, really? Disgusting. Is that because how much it costs to make the animated ones? Well, the animators are actually probably cheaper. Across the Spider-Verse probably costs $100 million, and the ones with Tom Holland probably cost 200. But I don't know.

I think live action is more bankable. I think animated is seen as for kids. And so you watch it. Probably why. No. Yeah. But anyway, so the eclipse,

where do you guys add on the eclipse? Because I feel like I was right midway of like, this is cool. I want to do this with like, why is this such a big deal? I don't know. Look, I generally am in support of like natural phenomenon.

Like, I think it's fun to all like, get behind. sentence that you just say. I'm in support of natural phenomenon. As if the tide needs your approval. Yeah. Well,

I like when like we're all focused on... I'm pro-a-tide. When we're all like, you know, gathered around to watch some beautiful occurrence in nature, like I think that's fun. I love... I agree.

Meteor showers, but schools are closing. Like, what's that about? Typhids, you sound like my dad, who every time we had a snow day, he was like, this is why the education system is failing us. I'm like, dad, it's a blizzard. Go out at recess and look at the eclipse.

And then, go back to school. It's like 10 minutes long. If there's anything I would like for a school to do for my child, it would be to make them really interested in things, right? Just to be excited about learning stuff, interesting about stuff.

So if a school is like, hey, we're going to ditch four hours total so that way kids can go with their parents and make an eclipse viewing glasses out of a cereal box, like be excited about something that's happening with celestial bodies. I think that's rad. I think that's heavy metal. I think that's so hard for. But just do it. Whatever. I was, if I was

working today, I would have been driving to get to a better viewing spot of the eclipse. I think it's so cool to be in things like this. Did you see that the Airbnb bookings across the path of oblivion? It was like there's just this strip across America that all the Airbnb's. That was really cool. Yeah, that was really cool. And to be clear, I did the eclipse. I had the glasses and everything, but you know what blew my mind?

I didn't look enough into this. DC was a 93% totality. Didn't even get dark. Nothing. You never would have known there was an eclipse if you hadn't heard about it. It just looked like slightly. I couldn't believe how much light 7% of the sun. It was like completely the same as 100% of the sun.

I do think that we all want the eclipse to be cooler than it is. We like desperately like in our heads, it's like pitch blackness. Pitch darkness for like two hours. And in reality, it's like 15 minutes of overcast skies at noon. And you're like, okay. It insists upon itself. There's also like the other thing to remember also is like if you're in like a major city, there's just a ton of diffuse light, right?

It's like why you don't get like a great look at the stars in the evening. Like if you're in D.C., like there's just, a ton of things that are creating and or reflecting light, such that, like, even when you lose the sun, like the sun's the light around you are still bouncing around so much. So, like, to really get the experience of, like, light to dark, you'd have to be at a spot that doesn't have a lot of, like, you know, man-made light around it.

Hyvitz, what is your favorite natural phenomenon that I experience? Or like, like, like, I love, like, Wikipedia articles for, like, the universe and shit, but that's not, like, I've always wanted the universe thing, black holes are insane. Neutron stars, reading about neutron stars. Shout out, Tim Urban is crazy. stuff about like what a neutron star collapses. But then bucket list is, I want to see the Northern Lights, but I heard all these horror

stories today about the Spotify office, about people who went and it was cloudy. And that would be the worst thing ever. Northern lights are up there, though. I agree. Northern lights are, I would love to see that. I've also never seen the Grand Canyon. That's my biggest L about living in L.A.

is that I live in the Grand Canyon. I haven't either. I'm from California. I'm from the Grand Canyon. Grand Canyon is a banger. Now, I have one piece of advice for anyone who's going to the Grand Canyon, which is do not go with your friends because if you, because you're going to go

and you're going to stop and you're read all the plaques, which is a reasonable thing to do with the Grand Canyon, and then they're going to yell at you and you're going to get left behind and you're going to have an argument and then the car ride back is going to be very awkward. Speaking from personal experience. I just wanted to read the plaques. Dude, I wouldn't read the plaques. I'll go to the Grand Canyon

with you. So if your friends sound like they really never let you live that one down. You know what's a really cool one? This isn't really a natural phenomenon because I think it was it was caused by humans. I believe Do you know the, the door to hell? Do you heard about that? Oh, the burning mine hole or whatever that's on fire?

I think like they dropped an oil rig in there or something and it's been burning for like 50 plus years. Yeah. That is one of the- It's like the perfect amount of gas is leaking from it that it'll never explode. It doesn't explode or go out. It's just like Earth's candle. Yeah. That's pretty sweet.

I would say any of those lakes that have like unique colors because of like the bacteria or like the coral that's there. That's a sick. You see like a pink lake That's wild. That's wild. That's sick to me. This is perfect. Email us at Ringer Fantasy Football at gmail.com. If you have like random phenomena, either send us Wikipedia article and a Google Maps,

whatever you want to send us, but just like whatever the hell the random thing is on earth that we're talking about. Let's get out of here. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Solek. DK with us in spirit. Thank you. Kai. DK. R-I-B.

R-B-D-K. Thank you. Kai for producing this episode. Thank you, Tucker, for help behind the scenes. Thank you, Jack. Thank you, Kira. Thank you, Dancomer for research help. Thank you, Lauren.

Lord. Lord. Oh, wait. No, wait. Ah, thank you. Glass animals? Oh, God. So lack.

Rookie. I feel, I feel so horrible. I feel so incomplete right now. Glass animals. They did the song like the, the, the, thinking about you.

He waves. So that song, doesn't that song feel like it's 12 years old? Because it's like three. Yeah, I mean, like, it was played in the pandemic every single hour,

every hour. for the whole time. It was dramatic overplayed. No. Original glass animals, dude. Zava. How to be a human being? How to be a human being is like Mount Rushmore album, man.

They were banging. I don't know a lot about them. I send you a couple songs, right? They're jammed. All right. We can do that. Goodbye, everyone. Must be 21 plus and present in select states.

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