The Ringer NFL Show - Draft Szn Mailbag

Episode Date: August 13, 2021

As draft season approaches, we open up the mailbag to answer questions on bye weeks in Week 14, college allegiances, when to take QBs in two-QB leagues, best late-round QBs to draft, the most fun yet ...least helpful player to have vs. the least fun yet most helpful player to have, James Conner’s sneaky value, auction draft strategies, when tell your kids about Santa Claus, how to use ADP to your advantage, and more Check out The Ringer's 2021 Fantasy Football Draft Guide here. Email us at ringerfantasyfootball@gmail.com. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:46 My name is Danny Hyfitts, and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Krollbeck. It is mailbag time, even though we should just call it the inbox at this point. But no one would know what it was called what we were doing if we just labeled an episode of inbox. So it's a mailbag. It's all your fault.
Starting point is 00:00:59 We've been hearing from a lot of you guys been emailing us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. And a lot of you guys have been adding us on Twitter. So we're going to do a mailbag today. We're getting all your questions. Reminderer. We have our draft guide is up at fantasyf football. The ringer.com.
Starting point is 00:01:11 We have our draft guide is up at fantasyf football. dot the ringer.com. If you have any specific questions about like our rankings or who we have ahead of who, check out that. We have PPR and half PPR and standard scoring. And yeah, but that's it. It's good. Jump right in, baby. All right. First up from Aden, international listener here from Argentina, I'm curious to know how are you guys treating players like Jonathan Taylor, Jalen Hertz, or Miles Sanders, who have their buy week in week 14, which is a playoff week in some leagues. are you moving them down in rankings or leaving them as is? This is a phenomenal question.
Starting point is 00:01:44 To be honest, I had not thought about this until I got this question from Aiden. And my high ad, screw you NFL. Think about fantasy football a little bit. Buy weeks and week 14 is absolutely bizarre, by the way. So they added a week. I think the answer is really simple. It's just you've got to move the playoffs from week 15, 16, 17. That is the easiest answer.
Starting point is 00:02:04 And I think it's absolutely what should be the standard. You're saying playoffs are three weeks long and it should be week's week 15. 15, 16, and 17, and you never use week 18 because that's always a weird week. Right. Right. Correct. Yeah, look, I traditionally really like the championships that are two weeks long. Yeah, I kind of like that too because usually ensures the best team wins.
Starting point is 00:02:22 But realistically speaking, you can't have buys in the playoffs and week 18 to buy. You can like bend over backward to figure out something where you can get the two weekend. I just think the playoffs have to be 15 to 17. Yeah. You can't have playoffs during a buy. It's also just kind of weird because in week 14, there's going to be buys, right? And that's going to be people trying to sneak into the playoffs or like secure their seating. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:02:42 Like secure that number one seed in theory. It's just so weird that they're doing it that late. What's the latest they did last year? Can you remember? I feel like it's not no, not anywhere near that late. I think in the past the last buys have been like, but it's also like two teams. Like the Chiefs and the Rams said that crazy Monday night football game. That was 54 to 51.
Starting point is 00:03:01 Then they had the last buys of the season, but it's just two teams. This year it's the Eagles, the Dolphins, the Colts and the Patriots all buys in week 14. So not amazing fantasy players, but like guys who will be on your teams and could be on winning teams. So that kind of sucks. I mean, are you guys going to move down those guys in rankings because they have a buy right for the playoffs? I would not. I am not, but I do think that it's a good question to raise. And I think that the standard should be just move the playoffs back a week and go from there.
Starting point is 00:03:27 Yeah, if you're in a league that has the two-week playoff format or the championship, definitely raise this to your group now. Otherwise people will be freaking pissed. Okay, good question from Aiden. Next one. Kevin, how much do you guys prioritize allegiances typically in fantasy? Yeah. This is great.
Starting point is 00:03:41 Purdue never gets fantasy guys, so I feel obliged to overpay for Rondell Moore and Raheim Oster. That is a great question. I feel you, Kevin. Pretty much when a San Diego State guy enters the league, it's usually a lineman or a safety. So when it's somebody who's a skill position player, I'm pretty hyped, hence my Rashad. I mean, I'm pretty much, I'm literally a co-host on the show now because Rashad Penny went
Starting point is 00:03:59 to San Diego State. Basically. How's that going for you, Craig? Craig's really paid off. This year, this is the year, baby. This is the year, I feel it. D.K. and I didn't exactly go to feeder schools for the NFL, so I don't really have this problem. But when it comes to the Giants, obviously, since I'm a huge Giants fan and I've been just
Starting point is 00:04:16 talking about how I'm not taking Seiquan this year, I don't really feel the NFL allegiance. But I don't really have the college allegiance. I don't think you do either, D.K. So I went to Udub for your Washington. And so I have like maybe just the slightest little bit of bias only because I hear so much about these guys, not necessarily because I'm like, oh, yeah, that's my school, blah, blah, I didn't even graduate from there, so it doesn't really matter. But I did graduate college, by the way. I transferred.
Starting point is 00:04:39 All right, buddy. I just want to throw that out there. Who are you trying to convince? I'm not protesting too much, I swear. So the guys didn't graduate from UW or you and John Ross? Is that what I'm hearing? That's, hi, this explains my John Ross thing. I'm realizing that now.
Starting point is 00:04:51 I'm over it, by the way. I've moved on with my life. Now I'm all in on Jacob Beeson. So we'll see how that goes. I think actually the interesting part about this question is that you have have to actually remember some people are going to do this some people are going to overpay because they're homers or because they have allegiance whatever you should try and be aware especially if you're in like an auction league you should be aware of who uh you know graduated from
Starting point is 00:05:16 where like where your league mates are from who your league mates are going to be attracted to like you know if they're a bunch of udub uh you know graduates or whatever then don't overpay like let them overpay for whoever and i think the same could be said like if you're in a league that's guys spread out all over the country let a other people, you know, bid up the guy that's on their team. Like, for instance, in my leagues, Chris Carson always gets bit up way more than he's, like, actually worth because we have a bunch of Seahawks homers. And I love Chris Carson, but I'm just like always, I go into every draft, especially
Starting point is 00:05:48 auction drafts where I'm like, I'm just not going to get Chris Carson. And so I think this is something to keep in mind as a strategy when you're going through your draft is, like, know, which players and which guys are going to, you know, which of your league mates are going to overbid on certain guys because of those allegiances. I agree, and also having said that, if you really want, if there's like two NFL players that, like, went to your college
Starting point is 00:06:09 and you're in the NFL, like, go get the players. It's fine. Like, don't worry about it. Yeah. Like, I agree with the D.K. said, you should take advantage of your friends who will overpay,
Starting point is 00:06:17 but also, if you really love the guy, like, just get the guy. It's fun to have them on your team. Life is too short. Life is too short to not have the guys you absolutely truly, like, need to root for on your team. Like, like,
Starting point is 00:06:30 not everything's just a heartless quest for value. you. All right. I'm drafting Rashad Penny then. Yeah. This is the year. Craig, first overall, Rashad Penny. This one's from Bam. Bam. When should you take quarterbacks in a two quarterback league? So
Starting point is 00:06:47 we got a lot of questions with two quarterback leagues. It's a really good question. The short answer is you can take them whenever you want because you can take Mahomes first. Whatever you want, ma'am. Like, actually whatever you want. This is great advice from us. I'm in Scott. I mean, there's this thing called the Scott Fish Bowl, which is like this big, league. It's not a perfect analogy because like it's really, really skewed to
Starting point is 00:07:06 quarterbacks. Like passing touchdowns are six points, which, you know, that's how they should be, but whatever. But so I took Mahomes third and then I came around. I took Rogers again, like 24th. So I had Marin Rogers and Mahomes, wish it could name my team after State Farm. So that's fine. And then I think the flip side is you can also wait on quarterback, and but waiting kind of means like, you know, you can wait to like the 50th or so pick. You can get Matt Ryan and Trevor Lawrence is your top two guys. So I think any of those work, I think it's just kind of deciding do you want to wait on quarterback or not. But it's totally, I mean, two quarterback changes everything.
Starting point is 00:07:35 Do you have a philosophy, though? Like, I'm kind of, you know, not to just give away what I'm going to do in every draft, but I almost always take two quarterbacks with my first two picks and Superflex. I'm always just, I don't want to worry about quarterbacks, really, to be honest with you, like, later on, especially in Dynasty. I always just go quarterback, quarterback, and like, I'm done with it. I'm like, I'm good for the next 10 years. And in redraft, you know, it's obviously a little different because you can find value.
Starting point is 00:07:57 You can go grab a guy like Matt Ryan a little bit later. You can kind of do the sandwich thing. Another, yeah, that's the thing that I like to do is quarterback, running back, quarterback, and then keep going down the line. But generally speaking, if you wait on quarterback, it's a little risky because it's ugly fast. I found in Super Flex, Super Flex leagues, there's runs on quarterbacks. Like, people start getting scared. People freak out. All of a sudden, you get like, people are reaching really far on running backs.
Starting point is 00:08:27 And it's like, holy shit, this guy's already gone. I was expecting him to be there in the fourth round, blah, blah. So, you know, I'm just like, I'm a little bit risk-averse, I guess, and I always just trying to get two quarterbacks in the first two rounds. Yeah, I'm entering my first year ever doing a two, doing it. I think it's a super flex league. It's not a two-quarterback league. But I was reading up about it. I feel like, it's really hard to give draft strategy advice in general because it's essentially just like whatever your philosophy is, like go with whatever you think is best because there's no like tried and true reason. But looking into it more, essentially it seems as though the rankings for two quarterback leagues are that. The first round is pretty much. split between running backs and quarterbacks. And if you start two quarterbacks on your team, normally that means you're also starting two running backs
Starting point is 00:09:07 and then there's usually a flex. But it kind of makes quarterbacks and running backs kind of equal now. They are the two most important positions on your team. But the thing you need to realize now is that the gap between the QB1 and the QB12 is much greater than it used to be. Every quarterback on the board in 2012
Starting point is 00:09:22 used to be pretty similar. Like the Kirk Cousins line, you know? Kirk Cousins was like the QB6-7 every year and he was only a couple points behind the QB1, and you could wait a little bit. But now it's different because of rushing. Now the quarterback one and the quarterback 12 are about 10 points apart per game.
Starting point is 00:09:37 Like that's a ton. But when you look at the RB1 and the RB 24, it's 15 points a game. So you kind of have to assess the risk here involved between like the quarterback one and the quarterback 12 or even the quarterback 24. The gap probably actually still isn't as big as like the best running back and the worst running back.
Starting point is 00:09:55 However, quarterbacks are super thin because after 24, they essentially evaporate. There's no waiver wire for quarterbacks in Superflex leagues. So if one gets hurt, you can't really add anybody. If Ezekiel Elliott gets hurt, you can go to the waiver wire and grab whoever's sitting on the bench, maybe Devante Booker, and he can get you like 10 points a game. That's not the case with quarterbacks. So I would lean ensuring that you have at least three quarterbacks on your roster that are all startable at all times to start your leave. Dak Prescott's injury last year was just fucked me, by the way.
Starting point is 00:10:28 in all my super flex leaks, because I was heavy on DAC. And as soon as he got her, I was like, well, we had a good run. Well, no, Craig,
Starting point is 00:10:36 you say you need three. Reminds me, so it's sunny for the, when they got the cats in the wall. They're like, two cats in this wall. Can't get them out. I was like a third.
Starting point is 00:10:42 I was like a fourth. Like, I always try to get four quarterbacks in a two quarterback league. Because when the quarterback start dropping, those things are like, you can trade them for gold.
Starting point is 00:10:51 Like, I feel like every year I'm in two quarterback league, you can flip a fourth quarterback for a, like something. That's true. they're a super valuable trade asset. But it really does still feel like, though, that if you get Christian McCaffrey
Starting point is 00:11:01 and he has a Christian McCaffrey season, that's still the most valuable thing you can get. Because the difference between him and a replacement level running back is greater than any other position in a replacement level position. I think the real point to quarterback leagues in every league is you need to make tiers.
Starting point is 00:11:14 It's actually more important to quarterback leagues, but we talk about rankings all the time, but you just have to make tiers and you have to be among them be like, okay. And then of those tiers, like Mahomes is elite. And then you also need a tier
Starting point is 00:11:26 that's like, okay, this is the lowest I will go and start these guys and I'll be happy about it. Like, I will not be happy if anyone below this has to be my starting quarterback. And you need to know those things at like every position. Totally. And so it's really important to understand as the draft is going on how different positions are unfolding. So highly wrecked. We have tiers on the draft guide. If you go to fantasy football.
Starting point is 00:11:45 Dot the ringer.com in the ranking, if you click on the positions, the actual positions, there's a thick green line differentiating our tiers. You don't take those as gospel, but I mean, actually highly. recommend you would edit them and you make your own. But you definitely want to be able to sort these guys in different buckets and decide what you're comfortable with. Okay. Good question. Yeah. Matthew. Matthew. Matthew. Speaking of quarterbacks, what two quarterbacks outside the top 10 would you pair together hoping that one hits? It's also a very good question. This is a fun question. And this is sort of like the late round quarterback question, right? Like if you, if the opposite of what we
Starting point is 00:12:23 were just talking about, if you skip out on early round quarterbacks, who are you going to try and pair to kind of like hit gold? And I think the easy answer is player X plus Justin Fields or player X plus Tray Lance, right? Or is there someone
Starting point is 00:12:39 else that you're thinking in this group? Probably Trevor Lawrence. First of, first to be clear, we're talking about one quarterback leagues here. We're talking about one quarterback leagues here. Trey Lancers Fields would have to be your backup to start the year, like in a two quarterback league. Right. either ways.
Starting point is 00:12:53 But yeah, I think Lancer Fields. We've been talking about them a lot, though. So if you can't have Lancel fields, let's pick two other guys. So this is just out. He said outside the top 10. I think Trevor Lawrence is a great one, Craig. You're absolutely right on that. Yeah, let's maybe go outside the top 18 here or something.
Starting point is 00:13:09 So let me throw out Kirk Cousins because the general thing you're looking for is rushing, but there's only so many quarterbacks who actually run. So outside of the top 10, Kirk Cousins just has like a crazy, easy schedule for the first half of the season. Like, I don't necessarily love Kirk Cousins as like, you know, I don't think he's an exciting player. But for fantasy, this show, man,
Starting point is 00:13:31 I mean, their first seven games are like the Bengals, the Cardinals, the Seahawks, the Braille. Oh, yeah. I didn't hear what you said, but I don't want to know. So what about as a guy, as a hang? I have it. All I know about Kurt Cousins is that he looks exactly like
Starting point is 00:13:45 the dude, the doll, from Team America World Police. Oh, shit. I actually know what you're talking about. Like, strikingly similar. He does. He should be in Team America. DK will tweet that later today, folks.
Starting point is 00:13:59 I've already tweeted it. Believe me. That's amazing. I just put the doll in a little plexiglass thing in the quarterback room. It can be his plusky glass. All right. But anyway, Cousins' first seven games are like Bengals, Cardinals, Searks, Browns, lions, Panthers, Cowboys.
Starting point is 00:14:14 Oh, my. That's a lot of, like, shootouts and bad past defenses. So if you want a guy that could be pretty good the first half of the season, and you flip them at the halfway point, you could do a lot worse than Kirk Cousins. So a few of my favorite late-round quarterbacks, which I think could really pay off on their ADP. I think Ryan Fitzpatrick is underrated
Starting point is 00:14:31 because he's still got that gunslinger mentality. They upgraded the offensive weapons, like a lot. I really like, I think McClureen is quietly one of the best receivers in the NFL. And I think that Curtis Samuel, if he can get healthy, is going to add a good element to their offense, like a speed element.
Starting point is 00:14:47 You know, obviously Logan Thomas still ascending. I think even though he is, is like 30 years old. He's still ascending in his career. And yeah, they just, I think they've got a good offense. Obviously, Antonio Gibson could blow up too. Um, Tua is starting to become much more interesting to me later in drafts just because he's been lighting it up in training camp. Um, I think he has the ability to be an efficient and explosive passer. And then honestly, going, just taking Winston and Tassum Hill late in drafts, James Winston, Taysam Hill, like back to back. I think that you're at least guaranteeing yourself one starter. But I think both of these guys,
Starting point is 00:15:21 have good upside, whoever ends up being the starter for the Saints. So, yeah, those are a few of my favorite ones. What do you guys think about Mayfield right now? You know, as much as I want to believe that like the Browns kind of this high-flying offense,
Starting point is 00:15:34 I still think it's a team that wants to win, sorry, the team that wants to run at its core and that he's, I just think that he's kind of, I think he will get better as a passer this year, but he's kind of the guy that I'm kind of content to leave on waivers. And if he has a huge September,
Starting point is 00:15:48 maybe we can pick him up then. But I don't, unless it's a, two-quarterback league, I'm not, I don't see the upside. Can I toss out two late-round quarterbacks that I feel like are truly, truly deep? This is maybe the third guy you should draft. But like, Zach Wilson? I was going to ask about Wilson, yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:03 Again, no one gives a shit about Zach Wilson, but he was the second quarterback taken to the draft. He's extremely athletic, extremely mobile. The Jets have a whole new offense scheme, coaching staff. I mean, there's a world in which the Jets are bad, but Zach Wilson, as Bill Simmons always puts it, good stats, bad team guy. A good fantasy stats, bad team guy, I should say. But, I mean, there's a world in which he runs for 40 yards a game and throws for 220 yards a game and a couple touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:16:29 I don't disagree with what you're saying, but I won't have Zach Wilson on any teams I have. But don't you think he has the high... Just because of the Jets? I'd be lying if I said that didn't influence my thing. If you're looking at the guys, I mean, like, you know, Zach Wilson's basically ranked like outside the top 25. Out of all these guys, I mean, he has the highest upsides
Starting point is 00:16:45 in terms of like peak points that's fair. I guess I'm thinking of like Matt Ryan as a guy who could pop, but Matt Ryan's like, you know, top 15 and Zach Wilson is barely top 20.
Starting point is 00:16:56 You're right that there's a certain range where it's worth it. I just think Wilson's a dart throwing a two quarterback league to me. I don't think I would roster him on my bench in a one quarterback league
Starting point is 00:17:06 to start the year. What about Tyraud Taylor? It's going to toss it out there. Nah. One episode ago, we said the Texans where milk was a bad choice. Somebody's got to throw passes. That was in redraft.
Starting point is 00:17:16 Someone's got a score point to the Texas. I'm talking to QBs, baby. Every year Tyraudaird Taylor's been... Every quarterback should be rostered in a two-quarterback league. Every single starting quarterback. He should probably be higher than others, though, because of the rushing side. He's run for like 500 yards every year he's been a starter. I'm just saying.
Starting point is 00:17:31 You know who, okay, you know who the forgotten quarterback is in the NFL, I feel like in Fantasy particularly is Derek Carr? He was the QB 13 last year. Now, he's the most unexciting quarterback maybe in the NFL based on, like, the gulf between people's hype about him and his actual performance. Like he's actually a decent quarterback, right? But no one gets excited about him. He's in that Kirk Cousins like category, I guess.
Starting point is 00:17:59 But are we buying that car is going to be, has the potential to be like a top 15 guy this year? Is that just like a blip on the radar? It was just like he had his best season and we can go back to not caring about him now. I just, again, it's like you kind of want to take guys who have a path to like high upside. I feel like Derek Carr.
Starting point is 00:18:16 I think if you're going to, as someone in that range who's boring, I'd rather have met Ryan. I don't believe in the Raiders. I think the Falcons being really good as an offense this year is way more believable than the Raiders. Is anyone drafting Jared Goff this year? No. No. Fair.
Starting point is 00:18:31 No. Okay. Just checking. Derek Carr and Kirk Cousins reminds me of a good one we got from Ryder. Who is the least fun player to have that's legitimately helpful? And who is the most fun player to have who probably won't ever win you a game?
Starting point is 00:18:47 So let's do the least fun player to have that's helpful first. I think Kirk Cousins and Derek Carr act, we just and Matt Ryan, those are the three guys. Those are perfect. Looking at this year coming up, well, I think for this season, the least fun guy would help. James Connor. Oh, that was the first one I thought of too. I didn't put it down, but yeah, he's just. Plotting, boring, got traded, he signed a deal for like a million dollars.
Starting point is 00:19:10 Everyone thinks Chase Edmund's the sexy pick. But James Connor, there is a legitimate case that he is going to be the goal line back in Arizona. He's just going to get all the carries, yeah. cheapest eight touchdowns you could probably get this year. All right. Well, now we're going to do it James Connor interlude. We also got a Cardinals email. So you want us to do a James Connor interlude right now for this question? Yeah, let's do an interlude. Yeah, sure. All right, we got a question, while we're on the Cardinals, we got a question Jared who, as a Cardinals fan and someone who had Chase Edmonds all last season as a Kenyon Drake
Starting point is 00:19:34 handcuff, I'm shocked. No one's mentioned James Connor as a huge goal line vulture in Arizona. Edmonds and others in Cardinals camp have said James Connor will be the goal line running, goal line back in running back sets. And keep in mind, Cliff Kingsbury once ran Kenyon, Drake up the middle at the goal line, four times in a row before Drake squeeze in for a touchdown on the fourth try. Where do you have Chase Edmonds and James Connor, and why do I feel like I'm the only one worried about Chase Edmonds? I actually kind of agree, it's a little concerning that Chase Edmonds is not going to get
Starting point is 00:20:00 those high-volume touches. Are you more excited about Connor or more worried about Edmonds? More worried about Evans, probably? Same. I'm like not, this might end up being like a big mistake on my part, but I have like no interest in drafting Chase Edmonds. I don't know why. He's just not on my radar this year, really.
Starting point is 00:20:18 And I think you kind of addressed it. It's like he could lose the high value touches. We don't really know exactly how they're going to split it up. Like he's never had a heavy workload, really, like consistently heavy workload. You know, there's a little bit of hype right now. Like, you know, Benjamin. I don't know. It just doesn't really excite me.
Starting point is 00:20:37 And so I'm definitely just avoiding him. We've got, in half PPR, we've got Edmonds as the RB20. and then we've got James Connor as the RB 37. I would just rather go with Connor, you know, two or three rounds later than invested Edmonds at this point. I think I probably would too. I think Edmonds is an average running back with maybe above average pass catching skills.
Starting point is 00:21:02 I think week to week, Chase Edmonds will be the guy who will give you the most consistent output, but I think James Connor is going to have spike weeks of like one, two touchdown weeks. Because the Cardinals, weirdly, kind of goes against what you think about them on the surface, but they're kind of a good rushing team. They're actually pretty good at it. They were almost more efficient running than they were passing last year. And, you know, I think the fact that they even signed James Connor
Starting point is 00:21:24 is kind of a knock on what they think about Chase Edmonds. It kind of means that they don't think he can be that like goal line red zone guy. So yeah, James Connor at a hundred that are a hundredth pick, I think is a really good value, even though he's boring as hell. I like Chase Simmons a lot as a player, but he's like classic running back dead zone guy to me, where if he falls out, but just the receivers in that range are really just more appealing to me even though that you could make the case for him. All right, wait, all right, we're going back now
Starting point is 00:21:49 to finish. The most fun player, so James Connor is the least is the least fun player who can help you. Who is the most fun player that will probably not win you a game? Henry Ruggs. He was one of the guys I was thinking about too. He's like explosive, fast,
Starting point is 00:22:04 deep threat, he can run after the catch. I think that they'll get him more involved this year. But I also think he's probably going to be one of those players that's like he has 12, one game, two, the next game, 16, the next game, three, the next game. Like, it's going to be so frustrating, you can't really use him.
Starting point is 00:22:20 That's what's fun, though? Because there's fun to watch and then there's fun to, like, like, Rugs, if you're not watching the Raiders, is infuriating. Well, it's hard to... So, like, the guy who flashes the most? The question, what's, like, who's a player who's fun to have, but will never win you a game?
Starting point is 00:22:36 It's kind of like an oxymoron. It's like, well, then they're not fun to have. Right. I think it kind of more means like who do you draft that is kind of perceived as like a sexy pick who you think will pay off and every week you're hopeful but it kind of never does. She's like those like deep threat guys. It's like the Henry Roeons.
Starting point is 00:22:53 Well, Deshawn Jackson. Mike Williams. Is it Mike Williams? Absolutely. He had a thousand yards last year. If you're saying that the idea of how he'll play for you in your mind when you put him in the lineup is the biggest gap from how he actually performs, it's Mike. That's Henry Ruggs, not Mike Williams. Mike Williams had a thousand yards last year, 10 touchdowns
Starting point is 00:23:08 year before that. He's just hurt. Never had 50 catches in the season. Yeah, okay. When he plays, he's good. Tony Pollard. Tony Pollard. Everyone loves Tony Pollard.
Starting point is 00:23:18 He's a really good player. There's people that genuinely and earnestly believe he's a better player than Ezekiel Elliott, and he's going to win you zero games as long as Elliot. Those people didn't watch hard knocks. Zeke's in great shape, baby. Dude, Zeke looks skinny. Yeah, he does. Tony Pollard is just Duke Johnson from like four years ago.
Starting point is 00:23:34 Remember when everyone was on that? Exactly. Exactly. Do you think Tony Pollard starts? let me put do you think Tony Pollard breaks 100 rushing yards in a game over the next two years? Not if Zique is healthy.
Starting point is 00:23:46 When Zique is out, sure, but not when Zika is healthy. Yeah, no. I say no too. I don't think he'll, I don't, I actually don't think he'll ever do it. Ever, ever. By the way, Duke Johnson, free agent. I know. Yeah, he's for now. He's 27. For now. The other guy that's going to put on here is
Starting point is 00:24:03 Corderell, Carder L Patterson, who I think people are still enamored with like, and rightly so, like, He's a very dynamic player. He's one of the best returners of all time. Or I don't know if that might be a little bit much, but he's a very good returner. And then he also is just like,
Starting point is 00:24:18 he doesn't have a position. He's a running back. He's a receiver. You never know what they're going to do with him. There's opportunity there in Atlanta. Okay. Here's the thing. Here's the thing with this.
Starting point is 00:24:27 I'm so annoyed. You triggered. Yeah, exactly. That's my point. I just walked right into that, didn't I? I'm, I'm exactly like my demo here. Like, it's annoying because people get excited about Patterson, he's not going to do jack shit for you.
Starting point is 00:24:41 Can I toss out a guy? I feel like the most fun player to have who probably won't ever win you a game is usually like, we're picking guys who like aren't very good. Can I pick one player who's actually like good in a starter who is not going to win you a game but he's fun to watch? It's O'Dell Beckham the last like three years.
Starting point is 00:24:56 He makes like one odd, every time he catches like a 20 yard out with one hand, you're like, oh yeah, I got the best receiver in the league. He's like the guy in warmups who does like through the legs dunks and then plays and sucks at like 24-hour fitness. that is what it's like watching O'Dell. Like his warm-ups are better than his actual game performance half the time.
Starting point is 00:25:12 I mean, the play he had against the-Bounds had two plays against the Cowboys that were maybe the best plays like all season, which were one Jarvis's like incredible throw to O'Dell. And then O'Dell also had that like double end around where he outran like nine Cowboys got defenders. And it was like, that's just absolutely incredible. And then he doesn't catch another pass the rest of the game. Yeah, basically. All right, this one's from Phil. From a long time, Phil.
Starting point is 00:25:35 Wait, I forgot to do the least fun players. Oh, yeah. you guys didn't do yours. We just did James Connor. We said James Connor, Kirk Cousins, Matt Ryan, Derek Carr, like minutes ago. So I just forgot. Ronald Jones, Jamal Williams, and
Starting point is 00:25:49 Sterling Shepherd. We're my three. Okay, now we can move on. Sorry. Thanks. Glad we got those. Okay. This is from Phil. From a longtime fan, Craig is a butthead. Little known fact. I bet you won't mention it. Craig's a butthead. Craig, do you know this Phil person?
Starting point is 00:26:05 I don't. So, Phil, unsubscribe. Wow. Wow. Unsubscribe, Phil. I was from Maddie J. First time doing a dynasty team, and I've landed with the number one pick.
Starting point is 00:26:17 My best three keeper options from last season. It's D.K. Metcalf could be kept for a third rounder. A.J. Brown could be kept for a third rounder. And Justin Herbert could be kept for a 13th rounder. So this is for Matt, but it's also for like everyone who has keeper questions. The obvious answer is Justin Herbert in the 13th.
Starting point is 00:26:34 I don't think there's really a debate. Well, is this a superflex? Probably not. Let's assume not. Yeah. Well, it's Dynasty. Well, it's Keeper. It's keeper.
Starting point is 00:26:44 I would quibble with the dynasty term here because in Dynasty, you keep all your players and you don't have to worry about the rats. Yeah, good point. If it's one quarterback, would you do Herbert, though, D.K.? Probably not, because it's one quarterback. I would probably take, uh, AJ Brown, I think with worth the third. Yeah. Wow. That intrigues me.
Starting point is 00:27:03 I think in general, I think you're probably right with the quarterback, the one quarterback thing. I'd probably still do. Herbert. I guess for me, my thing is, if your question is usually like, there's an elite player at a slight discount or an almost elite player for a huge discount, I want the huge discount. Like for this one, if every team gets one keeper and this guy has the first pick, which means the third rounder is probably the 21st pick, I don't think keeping AJ or DK with the 21st pick is a particularly huge value, even after the 10 keepers come off the board. Yeah, that's fair.
Starting point is 00:27:37 But, D.K., you made a good point there. I don't know. Now, at first I was like, yeah, Herbert. And now I'm like, if it's a redraft, or if it's a one-quarterback league, maybe it is nice to get. I think the really answer is you always have to see who the other people would probably keep.
Starting point is 00:27:49 And so I think, like, Justin Jefferson is the only person I can tell you. Justin Jefferson will get kept in this league. That's an elite receiver off. So you want to know how many of the other people in those, in the top 20 are coming off so you can figure out, could you get DK or A.J. Brown with the third rounder if you keep it. The answer might be yes. I think you got to take Herbert in the 13th.
Starting point is 00:28:07 Yeah. Yeah. That's a good question. These are always so tough. I mean, I guess that's why people are asking these questions, but like, these are always difficult to answer. I'm Phelian Herbert. So it's from Brandon. You guys have talked about Christian McCaffrey and Travis Kelsey being so good.
Starting point is 00:28:26 It's like having two players worth of production in one spot. Also, there's crazy depth of quarterback and receiver. So in an auction, or we're doing Sky Cup now, why shouldn't I spend whatever it takes to get both Kelsey and McCaffrey and save elsewhere? Thank you from Brandon. I feel like the answer is, yeah, you should do that. Yeah. I mean, this is exactly the Stars and Scrubs strategy where basically you go huge on a couple guys, whether that's two, three, four guys or whatever.
Starting point is 00:28:51 You have like these targets in mind. And then you kind of just fill the rest of your roster with maybe up and coming type guys, maybe undervalued older veterans, you know, whatever the case may be. Because I think like these are the types of players like Christian McCaffrey and Travis Kelsey, like he said, are basically like having one and a half or two players in one starting spot. So that's kind of just like how you win in these leagues. Auction salary cap leagues or whatever are, there's multiple ways to do it. You know, there's not one hard and fast rule. I would say the best thing is just pick the right players. And I think in this case,
Starting point is 00:29:31 is Chris McCaffrey and Travis Kelsey are pretty much guaranteed outside of injury to be like elite players at their position. We just did the rewatchables on Super Bad for the 200th episode You should check it out But one of the lines in there reminds me of This question It just popped into my head
Starting point is 00:29:46 You know Hyivets being like yeah I mean you should just draft Christian McCaffrey and Travis Kelsey Like having both those guys is awesome It reminds me when McLevin Asked the Seth Rogen What it's like to have a gun
Starting point is 00:29:55 He's like having two cocks If one of your cocks If one of your cocks could kill somebody That's when it's like having McAvary and Kelsey It's like having two cocks Have one of your cock could kill somebody Wow Okay I'm never
Starting point is 00:30:07 ever going to look at these guys again. Yeah. Yeah, wow. I don't even want to know which is which either. Oh, my God. Hi Fitz, you've got a whole bunch of advice written down here in the docs. Yeah, well, we've got a lot of emails about auctions in salary cap leagues, which are the same thing.
Starting point is 00:30:24 We're just changing the name of salary cap leagues. One just from Petricor, which asking just, what are the most successful draft strategies? You know, there's anchor running back, which, you know, one big running back at the top, starting with two running backs or just, and how does that trend? like auction drafts. Like a lot of, a lot of you have asked about auction drafts. So I have some notes here.
Starting point is 00:30:42 And I think just number one, this is every league, but just again, know the rules and the scoring and how many roster spots. You should be able to outline what your scoring is and benching all that top of your head.
Starting point is 00:30:52 Two is like, you just have to mock draft a lot. I know that sounds really silly to say, but if it's an, especially if it's an auction and you're new to this, you should do it a lot. And then similarly,
Starting point is 00:31:01 like you act, it's nerdy, but like it's also kind of fun. If you make a budget, like an Excelor Sheets, a budget sounds boring. but like look at like the suggested draft values and whatever the platform is that like there's a little dollar number build a team with those numbers and just see what you know practice and then when you're actually doing the draft don't be afraid to go over the suggested amount it's kind of like you do one of these drafts it's like you know players worth $40 and then the bid it goes to 41 and everyone freezes it's like no one wants to go over 42 just because the numbers who cares if they did freeze that would be awesome but the problem is no one does it always goes over it feels like And so the, yeah, so everyone will always go to that number because they're like, well, I'm getting a value.
Starting point is 00:31:43 It says 40 and it's 39. And then it goes over and people get all tepid. For the good players, go over the number. Do not be afraid. If it says 64 for Christian McCaffrey, go to 65. Go to 72. He's the best player in football. You'd rather overpay for $5 on the $65 player than overpay for $5 on the $4 player.
Starting point is 00:32:03 And you're going to overpay for $4 on somebody. So don't be afraid to do that. going to say the one thing that I think the salary cap league that I think or the salary cap advice that I would give is don't try and get value on everything like don't try and draft a bunch of values because it's just not going to happen you're not the only one that has like these guys as quote values in their head so don't go into the draft thinking oh I'm just going to get a bunch of guys that are valued like undervalued or whatever you want to fill in the you want to fill in your ross fill in the colors with value but you can't paint the whole picture with like
Starting point is 00:32:36 perfectly priced guys or else you're also you're going to fill in your ross fill in the colors with value. you're just going to go through the whole draft and all the guys that you wanted at value are going to be, they're not going to be values. Like, have some conviction. Like, last year, for instance, in one of my leagues, I really just thought Devante Adams is going to go off. So I, like, quote, overpaid for him, probably by a lot. And I remember at the time, people like, wow, really going for it.
Starting point is 00:32:57 DeVante Adams here. And, I mean, obviously, he turned out to be amazing. And I'm not, I didn't, like, win the league or anything, so I'm not, like, bragging. But, like, that's just the idea that you have to go in with some conviction. and, you know, kind of just stick to your guns and be, like I've said, don't be afraid to like bid up a guy if you really think he's just going to be a stud this year. Yeah, don't go like overboard. Like, it's an art.
Starting point is 00:33:20 Like, you don't want to just go in like last year being like, $85. I need Marquis Brown and he suggested for eight and then you pay $20. Like, don't do that. But at the same time, just remember. Those are the killers. Yeah. That's the don't be too fixated in who you want, but certainly have an idea of who you want, who you don't.
Starting point is 00:33:33 The other one is just, there's just certain, like, tips. Like, one is you just want to get money off the board. Everyone in the beginning has money to spend. Fix that. Don't nominate the guys you really want first. Unless you feel like actually in my leagues, I've always found that the first one or two guys off the board, everyone's a little tepid and that gets going.
Starting point is 00:33:48 But generally speaking, you want to get guys after everyone spent their money and starts pinching pennies. So like if you don't want, like Joe Mixon, if you're like, you know what, I'm not into Joe Mixing this year. There's no way I want him. Then nominate him and let someone else spend $40 in Joe Mixon
Starting point is 00:34:00 so that person doesn't have money to bed on the next big running back you want. If you do that like six or seven rounds, eventually you, You want, once everyone's spent their money, your guys to be, you know, left. And then also, as we said before, bit up your Patriots fan, your friend who's a Patriots fan trying to get Brady, bit up the guy who's a Packers fan trying to get Rogers, do all that. But most importantly, this is, throw out everything else except this.
Starting point is 00:34:24 Just pay attention. Like, I cannot, like, all the information and all the prep is meaningless. Like, the hardest part of an auction is you have to pay attention for three hours in a row. And it kind of sucks and is exhausting. But, like, it's amazing how often an hour and a half. everyone's eyes glaze over, and then, like, someone who should have gone for $18 goes for, like, 11. It's like the SAT for fantasy football. Also, one thing I should add is that it's hard to do, but if you can have a list of everyone
Starting point is 00:34:50 else's team and roster as they're drafting it in front of you to know what they have, so when you're bidding back and forth against somebody and they have two running backs and you only have one and there's not a lot of good ones left, know that they're probably going to flame out and you shouldn't get scared off and you should bid more than them, you know? Yeah. Or if they have no receivers in UF2, you're like, oh, this guy's going to outspend me. I should just back off, you know, stuff like that. But I made three archetypes of auction drafters that I wanted to run through you guys,
Starting point is 00:35:19 run past you guys, not through you. I guess I could run it through you. I'm going to run it right through you. So listen, oxen drafts are very much like real life. People are very irresponsible with their money. And I would argue to let them spend it, just like Haifid said, throw out all the bad guys first. But here are the three types. One, you have the spoiled rich kid.
Starting point is 00:35:35 He wants to be the talk of the town. He usually overspends on like two of the first eight picks and the first 10 minutes of the draft because it's sexy, it's fun. Just a lavish spender. You know what I mean? He'll grab like McCaffrey and Zeeke and be like, my team's the best. Everyone's like,
Starting point is 00:35:48 Jesus, this guy's team's unbelievable. But then, like, he has to wait an hour to make his next pick, and by then he's had like four and a half IPAs. Just gets drunk? Yeah. 100%. And his team ends up, you know, not doing that great.
Starting point is 00:36:00 And he essentially needs those top two guys to be healthy to stay alive in the season. That's the spoiled rich kid. Then you got the janitor who thinks he's smarter than everybody else, and he waits like 40 minutes to spend his first dollar. So he can then sweep up all the leftovers of the draft. You know, all the values that you guys are talking about that hang around. But that person usually leans in too hard and ends up having to overspend on a bunch of crappy players.
Starting point is 00:36:21 So you want to be right in the middle, which is what I call the Manu Genoobli. You want to pick your spots. Take good shots. Don't get antsy. Maybe overspend once or twice. Don't get bored. Watch the entire time.
Starting point is 00:36:33 Oh, be all right with not drafting. for 20 to 30 minutes at a time. Drive up prices, constantly bid. If you really pick your spots, but by the end of the game, you end up having a great stat line like Manu. Absolutely perfect. I feel like in these salary cap leagues,
Starting point is 00:36:45 you have to have like a diaper on or like be like in an astronaut, you know, suit or something where you don't have to get up to go to the bathroom for during the draft because it's like every time I go to the bathroom in these drafts, it's like, god damn it. Like two or three of the guys that I really want to just went off the board. You got to bring the laptop into the bathroom.
Starting point is 00:37:03 I'm dead serious. You have to. So non-hygienic. If you want to win, you bring the laptop into the bathroom. Yeah. You go full, you go full Paul Rudd,
Starting point is 00:37:10 this is 40, laptop in the bathroom. You may actually just, you might actually need to just draft inside the bathroom. I mean, you can do shit on your phone now. So,
Starting point is 00:37:19 well, we're talking about dedication. This is like serious advice. And I, maybe I'm like not a patriotic man. But you know what? Don't drink during the draft. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:30 Pretend, pretend to drink. You can possibly have. Do the KGB thing. just pretend to be drunk. It is. No, it's true. Like, you've ever seen
Starting point is 00:37:37 that Burn Notice episode he was doing a spy and he's like a big spy thing is you got to learn how to order like seven drinks but not really drink anything? Like you gotta, like you kind of have to do that
Starting point is 00:37:45 with your friends. If you're doing an in-person draft, which, you know, depending where you live, or whatever, just, guess what? No one is good at spending money when you're drunk.
Starting point is 00:37:54 No one. This is, you're staring at a screen for three hours and you're bidding over and over like... Inefficient, go out the window. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:01 If you actually just don't get drunk, you have an advantage over like seven other people. Drunk guys team is never the best team, but don't you guys agree that I'm always a little too hesitant in Oxen Drafts because I want to be smart and I want to make the right move.
Starting point is 00:38:12 Sometimes I lean a little bit too much into like the janitor realm where like it'll be a guy I really want like Alan Robinson last year and he'll be like $31, $32 and I'll have him at like $32 on my like projections and then he'll end up going for like 36 and I'll back off and then the draft will end
Starting point is 00:38:27 and I'm like, God damn it I was mad I didn't just spend $4. That's why you need tears. You need tears because you need to know like I want one of these elite running backs. Yeah. And then you also like, I want one of these, I want one of these or two of these 15 guys to be my top two receivers. And then you also need to know, well, if I only get one of them,
Starting point is 00:38:45 I'm going to allocate my money elsewhere. You want to have like, you know, a loose plan of like, I want these dudes. So are you saying you need a beer, though, to lube the wheels to pull that button the last time? Yeah, maybe one. Because look, even if it's like the last guy in your tier and you're like, I need to get him, and then there's somebody else in your draft who's bidding them up, you still are like shit this is a bad value oh maybe i'll just get the top guy in my next tier and then you don't make you know you don't pull the trigger and then at the end of the draft you're
Starting point is 00:39:10 like damn it i should have just i was actually this is actually really sort of illuminating because like i think if you're like a cheap bastard like me you actually do need a few beers in order to like i guess get a little more ballsy on like who you're pulling the trigger on like be willing to like bit up a guy because if you're too like uptight and worried and like you said trying to just get to extract the most value from each of these guys. It's like, then you're just, your team is just going to not be what you want to. Sometimes ignorance is bliss and sometimes the people who just show up to the auction draft, have a pretty decent team and you end up being a little jealous of how they do it. It's like people who are better at bowling or pool when they're drunk. You know, like,
Starting point is 00:39:48 I suck at pool when I'm sober. Yeah? Because then I'm like thinking about it too much. Like I'm like trying to line it up, you know? So listen, you don't want to pee a lot. So maybe here's the option. Just take two shots of whiskey before your draft. That's actually a good idea. You know Marshall Lynch used to take a shot of Hennessy before all those games? Yeah, I mean, I get that. Have you ever seen Marshall Lynch walking in a backpack, in the backpack was just Hennessy? Yeah, that's dope. Love it.
Starting point is 00:40:10 Two shots of whiskey, so you don't have to pee, but you still get the buzz. No, I would do a beer. Okay, next one via Kyler, and he puts in parentheses, not Kyler-Murray, which... Good to know. I mean, I feel like Kyler would do that. I don't know. Maybe it still is Kyler. It seems like it is Kyler, yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:24 Hey, guys, big fan of the show. I was curious about your personal takes on fantasy team names. Do you change from year to year based on your players or do you keep a consistent year over year? I put zero thought into my team names. I am the exact opposite. I put tons of thought into it. Well, that makes sense because D.K.'s a psycho who's,
Starting point is 00:40:40 how many leagues do you have 16? Oh, that's true. Yeah, something like that. I'm in two leagues. I have, so actually, my year, my keeper slash dynasty teams in football and baseball, I keep the same name forever.
Starting point is 00:40:52 Oh, wow. There's continuity. But my redraft leagues, football or baseball, I have new names every year. I think new names every year really injects some fun into the season. I basically make a pun out of a player's name that I draft every year. You can't ever go wrong making fun of your friends. You guys want to want me to be like the biggest grinch in the world and explain something that I'm just thinking of right now?
Starting point is 00:41:14 Like I'm the worst, like I'm that guy at the party. Like people are going to hear this and be like, wow, you must be fun at parties. But it annoys me when people use their not real name for team names because then I don't know who the fuck I'm trying to change. trade with and stuff. It's like hard to get, it's hard to keep track of who. So you wanted to be team high fits and team Horlebeck? Team Kelly.
Starting point is 00:41:35 So in a lot of my dynasty leagues, for instance. So like redraft I get it. Like most of the time you're with like your friends and all that. Yeah. It's still a little bit hard to keep track of who the fuck is who. And I just find that so annoying. I'm like you have to go through the list of names.
Starting point is 00:41:49 You're trying to find like, for instance, Bobby's team. And I'm like, I don't know who this is. So I have to like click on each goddamn team, trying to figure out who Bobby is. And then go through and like, I want to make a trade with Bobby because I know that he's not going to be an annoying piece of shit trader that like will, you know, go back and forth for like six days and then decide not to do a trade. And so I think it's super annoying when people use names on their teams.
Starting point is 00:42:15 And like 90% of my dynasty teams is all literally just first and last name. Okay. I'm not going to lie. I am trying to do two things. I'm trying to appreciate and understand your lived experience while also being like, Like, that's because you're in 16 leagues and there's 180 other teams you have to keep track of. And for people like us who only have to keep track of one or two or three leagues, it's not hard. Yeah, to me, it's fun when you learn your team, your league mates is funny names.
Starting point is 00:42:44 And then you, I mean, it takes like a week and then you know them all. And then you're good. I've never had that problem. I just don't. I just do not care about that whatsoever. Oh, I think it's so fun. I can't believe not only are you the guy who's like, yeah, I'm team Kelly. But you're mad that we're not team.
Starting point is 00:42:58 hyphen since the world. I told you I was going to be a grinch about it. I'm just saying it's a it's annoying not trying to fucking like connect the dots on who's who I never fucking know who anyone is. Are you against the tooth fairy and giving children money for the lost teeth? They should earn that shit. I'm actually against that and Santa. I'm actually against telling kids about Santa. You're against telling kids about Santa. What does that mean? You're Jewish. Well, I'm Jewish so first of all this is going to be a whole Jewish thing. But to be clear, I grew up in a very ambiguous household. Yeah. And my pit, we did Christmas with a tree and Christmas morning for like 15 years.
Starting point is 00:43:30 Like wait, wait, I bet I did it longer than you did. 15 years? Longer than you did. So I'm just saying, I don't want to hear that it's because you're doing. My older sister told me it was, he was not real like when I was really young. So wait, hyphids, you're saying you're going to tell your kid the second he's, you know, conscious enough to understand what you're saying that Santa's fake? Well, I guess there's probably social pressure because everyone else isn't lying.
Starting point is 00:43:52 I guess my question is what, I get where it's like the parenting thing. I think it comes down to like in July. your kid's screaming at the mall and you're like, Santa won't give you any presents. But like, why do we have to craft this whole lie about this dude instead of just being like, hey, I gave this gift to you, honey, because I love you. Why can't parents just give Christmas gifts out of love?
Starting point is 00:44:11 Okay, one, they're not exclusive. You can give your kids gifts and Santa can give your kids gifts. That's what I would do growing up. You can have a gift from mom and a gift from Santa. And it's fun for children. One, it's a moral compass saying, hey, be a good person or Santa won't give you gifts. It's also just really damn fun.
Starting point is 00:44:28 I feel like the funnest times in life are every single year before 10. And then it just gets worse. Let them have some fun. You both are great. I guess that you could have Santa. And yeah, I guess, this is going to be a whole. He's Jewish thing. But we really did the Santa stuff.
Starting point is 00:44:41 Your perspective will change when you have to. Well, we screwed. So we actually, my brother and I were actually assholes. We found out, obviously, like, at school that Santa's not real. And then we didn't want to tell our mom that we knew. So we kept the ruse going. And then, but then it got like, we were uncomfortable. old before we had discussed it.
Starting point is 00:45:00 So I don't remember, I think it was like, my brother was, I mean, actually, the reason was my brother was approaching the bar mitzvah, and they were like, this is ridiculous. Like, we can't have a barmitsa child, believe in Santa. So I think my brother was like 12, and I must have been like nine. And then my mom told us, and my brother and I look at each other,
Starting point is 00:45:16 and we're both like, yeah, we're pretending that this is the first time we heard. And we just start crying, like a fake to make my mom feel bad. Like, we made my mom cry because we thought, she thought we were so upset. Little Jimmy Hifitz is going to walk in the door from his first day at kindergarten. He's five years old. And he's going to go, Dad, I heard about this guy named Santa Claus.
Starting point is 00:45:33 I think he brings people gifts. And Hifitz is going to be drinking an IPA. And he's in a suit. He's going to turn around and go, Jimmy, Santa's fake. Do your homework. I just feel like it's, yeah, all right. It's compelling that you can give gift. I distinctly remember as a child.
Starting point is 00:45:50 You know how they used to, I don't know if they still do this. I think they probably do. But like, you know how the news, the local news would be like, oh, we've tracked Santa's rain. to the North... Oh, every year, NORAT. But then, like, even, like, the couple weeks before it's like, oh, guess what, guys, we found Santa's reindeer.
Starting point is 00:46:08 You know, they're getting ready for Christmas time. And then it would, like, go to, like, a shot, like, a stock shot of, like, some reindeer grazing. I love that stuff. And I remember being, like, I was like, holy shit. You know, that's amazing. How do they find them? Like, I was, like, going through my mind, like, how they found these reindeer.
Starting point is 00:46:24 And then, you know, my whole life crumbled when I found out it was all just. a bit. It was just like to deceive children. Did you ever check saying his sleigh on Norad on Christmas Eve? Yeah, I remember doing all that stuff. It's so fun. I love when a whole city or the world at that matter kind of like comes together and like puts on a little ruse. Like I think it's great that like the fucking local news is doing it for no other reason that it's like cute and fun and festive. Anyhow. D.K., let me name all your teams this year. Just send me your rosters. I'll name all your teams.
Starting point is 00:46:54 You know what? Email us ideas for DK's 16 fantasy. We have, I mean, there's a lot of Entry series. He actually have a pretty good, decent example. Fantasy football at the, sorry, ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. Email us ideas for Danny Kelly's team names. Okay, this one's from Connor. When looking for values in your rankings,
Starting point is 00:47:17 is it better to use 80, like average draft position specific to your drafting platform? Or should you just focus on an industry-wide average draft position? So I would say, don't, don't use your platform's ADP. Yeah. No. So basically, I actually, I actually, if I can give one piece of advice to people for the drafts, other than just be sober, bring a different set of rankings than the one you're drafting on.
Starting point is 00:47:42 And everyone just becomes unintentionally obsessed with the number next to a guy's name. But it's called anchoring. And it's just this researcher, Daniel Kahneman, did this study. And they asked people, how, like, do you think, like, the tallest California redwood tree in the world over under 200 feet? We did this. What? We, we, this was one of the showdown. questions. I remember this.
Starting point is 00:48:05 Yeah, we talked about this last August. So he said, over under 200 feet, and then people gave it their answer. He's like, okay, how tall do you think it is? And then on average, they said it was like 300 feet. Then he took a different group of people and said, how tall is the talls California redwood tree over under 1,200 feet? He asked the previous group 200. He asked this group 1,200.
Starting point is 00:48:22 And that group gave their answer. He said, okay, how tall do you think the tree is? They guessed like an average of like 950. That sandbagging, son of a bitch, Kenaman. Just by changing the number from 200, just to changing the number, he asked. before them, he made people guess the tallest tree from 300 feet to 900, just by suggesting a different number. And that's the same with fantasy football. I see where you're going with this. Yes, yes. Hmm. This is a good metaphor. When they give people a number, you anchor your mind to it,
Starting point is 00:48:49 whether you like it or not. And so to unanchor yourself in the room, when you're, the clock is, it's like, duh, duh, duh, you have eight seconds left. And it says, we'll fall or 68. And you just take him. And then you realize, oh, like, that's a terrible value. You want different rankings with different numbers so you have the benefit of not looking at the same numbers as everyone else. So a couple of years ago, I mean, I can't speak to whether he believes this or not still. But I remember Evan Silva told me one strategy that he thinks is smart is to bring in, like, print it out or have it in a spreadsheet next to you or whatever when you're drafting, bring in the latest ADP from like the best ball.
Starting point is 00:49:27 So like for instance, Underdog publishes ADP for their best ball tournaments, which it's sharp people who have money on the line, you know, they're putting their money where their mouth is, blah, blah, blah, and have been drafting all summer. They're following things. Like, it's wisdom of the crowds. It's, you know, it's really sharp ADP compared to, like, for instance, just like the rankings or the ADP based on all the leagues in the world, which is what you'll see like at, you know, ESPN or Yahoo or whatever. And he said to bring those and check off guys, and you'll start to see, you know, really good values drop in drafts. And that's where you can start to like grab those guys.
Starting point is 00:50:05 And it might look like a reach according to whatever platform you're on. But in reality, it's definitely not, like based on at least the wisdom of the crowds, the smart, sharp guys that are drafting all year or all summer long and following this stuff really, really closely and putting money on it, all this stuff. I think that's a really good way to do. And I've done that a few times. And I've always seemed to really like my teams when I do it. So that's another like just piece of specific advice you can do. So go to like underdog and download their ADP.
Starting point is 00:50:32 and just go from there. Yeah, that's a good one. Again, like Trey Sermans, probably would 50 spots higher in some, the best ball ADP than he is on the ESPN. So check that out.
Starting point is 00:50:42 Okay, we got another one from Aisha. Dearest one, how are you today? I hope my male meet you in good condition of health. Dear, I have decided to contact you due to the urgency for a business venture
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Starting point is 00:51:02 we've gotten this. You did this joke last year. We got it again yesterday. No, I know, but we got it the same person. We got it again. My father of blessed memory deposited the sum of $28 million in one of bank here in Burkina Faso, which he used in my name as next to kin. I am in search of honest and reliable person who will help me and stand as my trustee so that I will help present him the bank. I have chosen to contact you after my prayers and I believe that you will not betray my trust. Let's do this. Let's see where it goes. I want that money. She's probably in a really pricey auction league. Anyway.
Starting point is 00:51:36 With $28 million, get you McCaffrey and Kelsey? It's like two cocks. Jesus. Okay, other ones. People emailed us about the Anchorman Pod we did, and they had two good points. One, someone said, how did we not give the
Starting point is 00:51:48 Go Fuck Yourself San Diego Award to the Chargers for literally saying, go fuck yourself, San Diego and league it? Oh, fuck. That's really good, damn it. Pretty big missed opportunity. Thank you for pointing out. We were being sensitive towards Craig,
Starting point is 00:52:00 who is the third string Chargers quarterback. true. I also cannot believe we didn't assign the loud noises. I don't know why we're yelling. I don't know how we didn't get that in. That was just such a failure. Oh my God. By the way, we forgot to talk about this. I meant to bring it up, but Angerman has some of the best character names of any movie of all time. Ron Burgundy, Champ kind, Brick Tamlin. The fact his name is brick is like maybe one of the biggest strokes of genius I've ever heard. Brick Tanlin, Tamlin. Brian Fantana is not really that funny. West Manteuth
Starting point is 00:52:34 West Manteoth is really good Veronica Corningstone is like a really good stereotypical news name anchor name Is Mantooth a real last name? I feel like it is Is there a fake last name out there?
Starting point is 00:52:46 Anything can be a real last name You know how Bill had the whiteboard with all the names and then they settled on the ringer? I need the whiteboard of names before it was Ron Bergen I know I need the other 40 ideas
Starting point is 00:52:56 Brick Brick Last one fun fact On Twitter I tweeted out you know, ask us anything about fantasy football and I just throw out. Or, you know, ask us about, you know, give us fun facts about the cosmos. And then this is written. I wrote Cosmos.
Starting point is 00:53:09 So someone sent in, this isn't about the Cosmos, but it's about Cosmos. Here's a subreddit, which is slash hold my Cosmo. And it is all just like, it's like women, it's like drunk women doing things. It's like a drunk woman like walking down a bowling alley to like get her ball. And it's just all women who like handed over the drink and then like go to like do a handsstand. And they're full. It's really fun. How many subscribers does that subreddit have?
Starting point is 00:53:34 It has 1.6 million. Oh, my. Christ. It's huge. My guy, it's a damn epidemic. There are 2,500 people on it right now. What's your guys' favorite Reddit? Do you have one?
Starting point is 00:53:48 No, subreddit? I mean, the Westworld one I spent a lot of time on for work. Oh, that's a good one. Honestly, the fantasy football one's actually pretty good. Yeah, I do. I read that one sometimes. Among the Reddit threads that I have books. marked. Nature is
Starting point is 00:54:03 fucking lit. It's great. Oddly satisfying is great. That's what I was going to say. Yeah. Oddly satisfying. Black magic fuckery. Wow.
Starting point is 00:54:12 That's a good one. This is like the stuff I do when I'm bored or like I need to like take a mental break for five minutes. I go to nature is fucking lit on Reddit and just like look at crazy spiders eating like a camel or something. Like just nature is fucking metal, man. I feel like TikTok is the evolved version. of Reddit.
Starting point is 00:54:32 It's kind of the same thing where you learn, it's also entertaining, and you can get lost in it for an hour. All right, send us good Reddit threads and or good TikTok accounts
Starting point is 00:54:41 to ringer Fantasy Football at Gmail.com. You're going to get a lot of porn. You're going to get a lot of porn Reddit threads here. Please don't send us that. We don't want that. Sorry. Unless there's one where
Starting point is 00:54:51 someone's cock is a gun, then send us back. Send us to Craig. Please do not send that to me. Well, you ask for it. All right. Thank you. Map porn is good, by the way.
Starting point is 00:55:03 Map porn? What's that? Map porn. It's exactly what it sounds like. It's just cool maps. Dude, I watched the Anthony Bourdain episode where they go to Tokyo. It's on HBO Max, and he literally finds the guy who created tentacle porn. Oh, my God, really? Human genitalia in Japan at the time is, like, illegal. Oh. So he tentacle, he just was like, yeah, so I figured tentacles, right?
Starting point is 00:55:28 and now it's like he has made so much money. That's ingenuity right there. It is unbelievable. And on that note, let's leave before we get fired. Goodbye, everyone. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Lorne. Thank you, Snoop.
Starting point is 00:55:42 Have you done Snoop before, D.K.? Probably. Ludacris. All right, that's good. Shouts out Fast and the Furious.

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