The Ringer NFL Show - Draft Szn Mailbag
Episode Date: August 13, 2021As draft season approaches, we open up the mailbag to answer questions on bye weeks in Week 14, college allegiances, when to take QBs in two-QB leagues, best late-round QBs to draft, the most fun yet ...least helpful player to have vs. the least fun yet most helpful player to have, James Conner’s sneaky value, auction draft strategies, when tell your kids about Santa Claus, how to use ADP to your advantage, and more Check out The Ringer's 2021 Fantasy Football Draft Guide here. Email us at ringerfantasyfootball@gmail.com. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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But no one would know what it was called
what we were doing if we just labeled an episode of inbox.
So it's a mailbag.
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So we're going to do a mailbag today.
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It's good. Jump right in, baby. All right. First up from Aden, international listener here from
Argentina, I'm curious to know how are you guys treating players like Jonathan Taylor, Jalen Hertz,
or Miles Sanders, who have their buy week in week 14, which is a playoff week in some leagues.
are you moving them down in rankings or leaving them as is?
This is a phenomenal question.
To be honest, I had not thought about this until I got this question from Aiden.
And my high ad, screw you NFL.
Think about fantasy football a little bit.
Buy weeks and week 14 is absolutely bizarre, by the way.
So they added a week.
I think the answer is really simple.
It's just you've got to move the playoffs from week 15, 16, 17.
That is the easiest answer.
And I think it's absolutely what should be the standard.
You're saying playoffs are three weeks long and it should be week's week 15.
15, 16, and 17, and you never use week 18 because that's always a weird week.
Right.
Right.
Correct.
Yeah, look, I traditionally really like the championships that are two weeks long.
Yeah, I kind of like that too because usually ensures the best team wins.
But realistically speaking, you can't have buys in the playoffs and week 18 to buy.
You can like bend over backward to figure out something where you can get the two weekend.
I just think the playoffs have to be 15 to 17.
Yeah.
You can't have playoffs during a buy.
It's also just kind of weird because in week 14, there's going to be buys, right?
And that's going to be people trying to sneak into the playoffs or like secure their seating.
You know what I mean?
Like secure that number one seed in theory.
It's just so weird that they're doing it that late.
What's the latest they did last year?
Can you remember?
I feel like it's not no, not anywhere near that late.
I think in the past the last buys have been like, but it's also like two teams.
Like the Chiefs and the Rams said that crazy Monday night football game.
That was 54 to 51.
Then they had the last buys of the season, but it's just two teams.
This year it's the Eagles, the Dolphins, the Colts and the Patriots all buys in week 14.
So not amazing fantasy players, but like guys who will be on your teams and could be on winning teams.
So that kind of sucks.
I mean, are you guys going to move down those guys in rankings because they have a buy right for the playoffs?
I would not.
I am not, but I do think that it's a good question to raise.
And I think that the standard should be just move the playoffs back a week and go from there.
Yeah, if you're in a league that has the two-week playoff format or the championship,
definitely raise this to your group now.
Otherwise people will be freaking pissed.
Okay, good question from Aiden.
Next one.
Kevin, how much do you guys prioritize allegiances typically in fantasy?
Yeah.
This is great.
Purdue never gets fantasy guys, so I feel obliged to overpay for Rondell Moore and Raheim
Oster.
That is a great question.
I feel you, Kevin.
Pretty much when a San Diego State guy enters the league, it's usually a lineman
or a safety.
So when it's somebody who's a skill position player, I'm pretty hyped, hence my Rashad.
I mean, I'm pretty much, I'm literally a co-host on the show now because Rashad Penny went
to San Diego State.
Basically.
How's that going for you, Craig?
Craig's really paid off.
This year, this is the year, baby.
This is the year, I feel it.
D.K. and I didn't exactly go to feeder schools for the NFL, so I don't really have this problem.
But when it comes to the Giants, obviously, since I'm a huge Giants fan and I've been just
talking about how I'm not taking Seiquan this year, I don't really feel the NFL
allegiance. But I don't really have the college allegiance. I don't think you do either, D.K.
So I went to Udub for your Washington.
And so I have like maybe just the slightest little bit of bias only because I hear so much
about these guys, not necessarily because I'm like, oh, yeah, that's my school, blah, blah,
I didn't even graduate from there, so it doesn't really matter.
But I did graduate college, by the way.
I transferred.
All right, buddy.
I just want to throw that out there.
Who are you trying to convince?
I'm not protesting too much, I swear.
So the guys didn't graduate from UW or you and John Ross?
Is that what I'm hearing?
That's, hi, this explains my John Ross thing.
I'm realizing that now.
I'm over it, by the way.
I've moved on with my life.
Now I'm all in on Jacob Beeson.
So we'll see how that goes.
I think actually the interesting part about this question is that you have
have to actually remember some people are going to do this some people are going to overpay because
they're homers or because they have allegiance whatever you should try and be aware
especially if you're in like an auction league you should be aware of who uh you know graduated from
where like where your league mates are from who your league mates are going to be attracted to like
you know if they're a bunch of udub uh you know graduates or whatever then don't overpay like let them
overpay for whoever and i think the same could be said like if you're in a league that's
guys spread out all over the country let a
other people, you know, bid up the guy that's on their team.
Like, for instance, in my leagues, Chris Carson always gets bit up way more than he's, like,
actually worth because we have a bunch of Seahawks homers.
And I love Chris Carson, but I'm just like always, I go into every draft, especially
auction drafts where I'm like, I'm just not going to get Chris Carson.
And so I think this is something to keep in mind as a strategy when you're going
through your draft is, like, know, which players and which guys are going to, you know,
which of your league mates are going to overbid on certain guys because of those allegiances.
I agree, and also having said that,
if you really want,
if there's like two NFL players
that, like, went to your college
and you're in the NFL,
like, go get the players.
It's fine.
Like, don't worry about it.
Yeah.
Like, I agree with the D.K. said,
you should take advantage
of your friends who will overpay,
but also, if you really love the guy,
like, just get the guy.
It's fun to have them on your team.
Life is too short.
Life is too short to not have the guys
you absolutely truly, like,
need to root for on your team.
Like, like,
not everything's just a heartless quest for value.
you. All right. I'm
drafting Rashad Penny then.
Yeah. This is the year.
Craig, first overall, Rashad Penny. This one's from
Bam. Bam. When should
you take quarterbacks in a two quarterback
league? So
we got a lot of questions with two quarterback leagues.
It's a really good question. The short answer is you can take them whenever you want
because you can take Mahomes first.
Whatever you want, ma'am.
Like, actually whatever you want. This is great advice from us.
I'm in Scott. I mean, there's
this thing called the Scott Fish Bowl, which is like this big,
league. It's not a perfect analogy because like it's really, really skewed to
quarterbacks. Like passing touchdowns are six points, which, you know, that's how they should
be, but whatever. But so I took Mahomes third and then I came around. I took Rogers again,
like 24th. So I had Marin Rogers and Mahomes, wish it could name my team after State Farm.
So that's fine. And then I think the flip side is you can also wait on quarterback,
and but waiting kind of means like, you know, you can wait to like the 50th or so pick.
You can get Matt Ryan and Trevor Lawrence is your top two guys. So I think any of those work,
I think it's just kind of deciding do you want to wait on quarterback or not.
But it's totally, I mean, two quarterback changes everything.
Do you have a philosophy, though?
Like, I'm kind of, you know, not to just give away what I'm going to do in every draft,
but I almost always take two quarterbacks with my first two picks and Superflex.
I'm always just, I don't want to worry about quarterbacks, really, to be honest with you,
like, later on, especially in Dynasty.
I always just go quarterback, quarterback, and like, I'm done with it.
I'm like, I'm good for the next 10 years.
And in redraft, you know, it's obviously a little different because you can find value.
You can go grab a guy like Matt Ryan a little bit later.
You can kind of do the sandwich thing.
Another, yeah, that's the thing that I like to do is quarterback, running back, quarterback, and then keep going down the line.
But generally speaking, if you wait on quarterback, it's a little risky because it's ugly fast.
I found in Super Flex, Super Flex leagues, there's runs on quarterbacks.
Like, people start getting scared.
People freak out.
All of a sudden, you get like, people are reaching really far on running backs.
And it's like, holy shit, this guy's already gone.
I was expecting him to be there in the fourth round, blah, blah.
So, you know, I'm just like, I'm a little bit risk-averse, I guess, and I always just trying to get two quarterbacks in the first two rounds.
Yeah, I'm entering my first year ever doing a two, doing it.
I think it's a super flex league. It's not a two-quarterback league. But I was reading up about it. I feel like, it's really hard to give draft strategy advice in general because it's essentially just like whatever your philosophy is, like go with whatever you think is best because there's no like tried and true reason. But looking into it more, essentially it seems as though the rankings for two quarterback leagues are that. The first round is pretty much.
split between running backs and quarterbacks.
And if you start two quarterbacks on your team,
normally that means you're also starting two running backs
and then there's usually a flex.
But it kind of makes quarterbacks and running backs
kind of equal now.
They are the two most important positions on your team.
But the thing you need to realize now
is that the gap between the QB1 and the QB12
is much greater than it used to be.
Every quarterback on the board in 2012
used to be pretty similar.
Like the Kirk Cousins line, you know?
Kirk Cousins was like the QB6-7 every year
and he was only a couple points behind the QB1,
and you could wait a little bit.
But now it's different because of rushing.
Now the quarterback one and the quarterback 12
are about 10 points apart per game.
Like that's a ton.
But when you look at the RB1 and the RB 24,
it's 15 points a game.
So you kind of have to assess the risk here involved
between like the quarterback one and the quarterback 12
or even the quarterback 24.
The gap probably actually still isn't as big
as like the best running back and the worst running back.
However, quarterbacks are super thin
because after 24, they essentially evaporate.
There's no waiver wire for quarterbacks in Superflex leagues.
So if one gets hurt, you can't really add anybody.
If Ezekiel Elliott gets hurt, you can go to the waiver wire and grab whoever's sitting on the bench, maybe Devante Booker, and he can get you like 10 points a game.
That's not the case with quarterbacks.
So I would lean ensuring that you have at least three quarterbacks on your roster that are all startable at all times to start your leave.
Dak Prescott's injury last year was just fucked me, by the way.
in all my super flex leaks,
because I was heavy on DAC.
And as soon as he got her,
I was like,
well,
we had a good run.
Well,
no, Craig,
you say you need three.
Reminds me,
so it's sunny for the,
when they got the cats in the wall.
They're like,
two cats in this wall.
Can't get them out.
I was like a third.
I was like a fourth.
Like,
I always try to get four quarterbacks
in a two quarterback league.
Because when the quarterback
start dropping,
those things are like,
you can trade them for gold.
Like,
I feel like every year I'm in two quarterback league,
you can flip a fourth quarterback for a,
like something.
That's true.
they're a super valuable trade asset.
But it really does still feel like, though,
that if you get Christian McCaffrey
and he has a Christian McCaffrey season,
that's still the most valuable thing you can get.
Because the difference between him
and a replacement level running back
is greater than any other position
in a replacement level position.
I think the real point to quarterback leagues
in every league is you need to make tiers.
It's actually more important to quarterback leagues,
but we talk about rankings all the time,
but you just have to make tiers
and you have to be among them be like,
okay.
And then of those tiers,
like Mahomes is elite.
And then you also need a tier
that's like, okay, this is the lowest I will go and start these guys and I'll be happy about it.
Like, I will not be happy if anyone below this has to be my starting quarterback.
And you need to know those things at like every position.
Totally.
And so it's really important to understand as the draft is going on how different positions are unfolding.
So highly wrecked.
We have tiers on the draft guide.
If you go to fantasy football.
Dot the ringer.com in the ranking, if you click on the positions, the actual
positions, there's a thick green line differentiating our tiers.
You don't take those as gospel, but I mean, actually highly.
recommend you would edit them and you make your own. But you definitely want to be able to
sort these guys in different buckets and decide what you're comfortable with. Okay. Good question.
Yeah. Matthew. Matthew. Matthew. Speaking of quarterbacks, what two quarterbacks outside the top
10 would you pair together hoping that one hits? It's also a very good question. This is a fun question.
And this is sort of like the late round quarterback question, right? Like if you, if the opposite of what we
were just talking about, if you skip out on early
round quarterbacks, who are you
going to try and pair to kind of like hit gold?
And I think the easy answer
is
player X plus Justin
Fields or player X plus
Tray Lance, right? Or is there someone
else that you're thinking in this group? Probably Trevor
Lawrence. First of,
first to be clear, we're talking about one quarterback
leagues here. We're talking about one quarterback leagues
here. Trey Lancers Fields would have
to be your backup to start the year, like
in a two quarterback league. Right.
either ways.
But yeah, I think Lancer Fields.
We've been talking about them a lot, though.
So if you can't have Lancel fields, let's pick two other guys.
So this is just out.
He said outside the top 10.
I think Trevor Lawrence is a great one, Craig.
You're absolutely right on that.
Yeah, let's maybe go outside the top 18 here or something.
So let me throw out Kirk Cousins because the general thing you're looking for is rushing,
but there's only so many quarterbacks who actually run.
So outside of the top 10, Kirk Cousins just has like a crazy, easy schedule
for the first half of the season.
Like, I don't necessarily love Kirk Cousins
as like, you know,
I don't think he's an exciting player.
But for fantasy, this show, man,
I mean, their first seven games are like the Bengals,
the Cardinals, the Seahawks, the Braille.
Oh, yeah.
I didn't hear what you said, but I don't want to know.
So what about as a guy, as a hang?
I have it.
All I know about Kurt Cousins
is that he looks exactly like
the dude, the doll,
from Team America World Police.
Oh, shit.
I actually know what you're talking about.
Like, strikingly similar.
He does.
He should be in Team America.
DK will tweet that later today, folks.
I've already tweeted it.
Believe me.
That's amazing.
I just put the doll in a little plexiglass thing in the quarterback room.
It can be his plusky glass.
All right.
But anyway, Cousins' first seven games are like Bengals, Cardinals, Searks, Browns,
lions, Panthers, Cowboys.
Oh, my.
That's a lot of, like, shootouts and bad past defenses.
So if you want a guy that could be pretty good the first half of the season,
and you flip them at the halfway point,
you could do a lot worse than Kirk Cousins.
So a few of my favorite late-round quarterbacks,
which I think could really pay off on their ADP.
I think Ryan Fitzpatrick is underrated
because he's still got that gunslinger mentality.
They upgraded the offensive weapons, like a lot.
I really like, I think McClureen is quietly
one of the best receivers in the NFL.
And I think that Curtis Samuel,
if he can get healthy,
is going to add a good element to their offense,
like a speed element.
You know, obviously Logan Thomas still ascending.
I think even though he is,
is like 30 years old. He's still ascending in his career. And yeah, they just, I think they've got a
good offense. Obviously, Antonio Gibson could blow up too. Um, Tua is starting to become much more
interesting to me later in drafts just because he's been lighting it up in training camp. Um,
I think he has the ability to be an efficient and explosive passer. And then honestly,
going, just taking Winston and Tassum Hill late in drafts, James Winston, Taysam Hill, like back to
back. I think that you're at least guaranteeing yourself one starter. But I think both of these guys,
have good upside,
whoever ends up being the starter for the Saints.
So,
yeah,
those are a few of my favorite ones.
What do you guys think about Mayfield right now?
You know, as much as I want to believe
that like the Browns kind of this high-flying offense,
I still think it's a team that wants to win,
sorry,
the team that wants to run at its core
and that he's,
I just think that he's kind of,
I think he will get better as a passer this year,
but he's kind of the guy that I'm kind of content to leave on waivers.
And if he has a huge September,
maybe we can pick him up then.
But I don't,
unless it's a,
two-quarterback league, I'm not, I don't see the upside.
Can I toss out two late-round quarterbacks that I feel like are truly, truly deep?
This is maybe the third guy you should draft.
But like, Zach Wilson?
I was going to ask about Wilson, yeah.
Again, no one gives a shit about Zach Wilson, but he was the second quarterback taken to the draft.
He's extremely athletic, extremely mobile.
The Jets have a whole new offense scheme, coaching staff.
I mean, there's a world in which the Jets are bad, but Zach Wilson, as Bill Simmons always puts it,
good stats, bad team guy.
A good fantasy stats, bad team guy, I should say.
But, I mean, there's a world in which he runs for 40 yards a game
and throws for 220 yards a game and a couple touchdowns.
I don't disagree with what you're saying,
but I won't have Zach Wilson on any teams I have.
But don't you think he has the high...
Just because of the Jets?
I'd be lying if I said that didn't influence my thing.
If you're looking at the guys, I mean, like, you know,
Zach Wilson's basically ranked like outside the top 25.
Out of all these guys, I mean, he has the highest upsides
in terms of like peak points
that's fair.
I guess I'm thinking of like Matt Ryan
as a guy who could pop,
but Matt Ryan's like,
you know,
top 15 and Zach Wilson
is barely top 20.
You're right that
there's a certain range
where it's worth it.
I just think Wilson's a dart
throwing a two quarterback league
to me.
I don't think I would roster him
on my bench in a one quarterback league
to start the year.
What about Tyraud Taylor?
It's going to toss it out there.
Nah.
One episode ago,
we said the Texans where milk was a bad choice.
Somebody's got to throw passes.
That was in redraft.
Someone's got a score point to the Texas.
I'm talking to QBs, baby.
Every year Tyraudaird Taylor's been...
Every quarterback should be rostered in a two-quarterback league.
Every single starting quarterback.
He should probably be higher than others, though, because of the rushing side.
He's run for like 500 yards every year he's been a starter.
I'm just saying.
You know who, okay, you know who the forgotten quarterback is in the NFL, I feel like in
Fantasy particularly is Derek Carr?
He was the QB 13 last year.
Now, he's the most unexciting quarterback maybe in the NFL based on, like, the gulf
between people's hype about him and his actual performance.
Like he's actually a decent quarterback, right?
But no one gets excited about him.
He's in that Kirk Cousins like category, I guess.
But are we buying that car is going to be,
has the potential to be like a top 15 guy this year?
Is that just like a blip on the radar?
It was just like he had his best season
and we can go back to not caring about him now.
I just, again, it's like you kind of want to take guys
who have a path to like high upside.
I feel like Derek Carr.
I think if you're going to,
as someone in that range who's boring, I'd rather
have met Ryan. I don't believe in the Raiders.
I think the Falcons being really good as an
offense this year is way more believable than the Raiders.
Is anyone drafting Jared Goff this year?
No.
No. Fair.
No. Okay. Just checking.
Derek Carr and Kirk Cousins reminds me of a good one we got
from Ryder. Who is the least
fun player to have
that's legitimately helpful?
And who is the most fun player
to have who probably won't
ever win you a game?
So let's do the least fun player to have that's helpful first.
I think Kirk Cousins and Derek Carr act, we just and Matt Ryan, those are the three guys.
Those are perfect.
Looking at this year coming up, well, I think for this season, the least fun guy would help.
James Connor.
Oh, that was the first one I thought of too.
I didn't put it down, but yeah, he's just.
Plotting, boring, got traded, he signed a deal for like a million dollars.
Everyone thinks Chase Edmund's the sexy pick.
But James Connor, there is a legitimate case that he is going to be the goal line back in Arizona.
He's just going to get all the carries, yeah.
cheapest eight touchdowns you could probably get this year.
All right. Well, now we're going to do it James Connor interlude. We also got a Cardinals email.
So you want us to do a James Connor interlude right now for this question? Yeah, let's do an
interlude. Yeah, sure. All right, we got a question, while we're on the Cardinals, we got a question
Jared who, as a Cardinals fan and someone who had Chase Edmonds all last season as a Kenyon Drake
handcuff, I'm shocked. No one's mentioned James Connor as a huge goal line vulture in Arizona.
Edmonds and others in Cardinals camp have said James Connor will be the goal line
running, goal line back in running back sets.
And keep in mind, Cliff Kingsbury once ran Kenyon, Drake up the middle at the goal line,
four times in a row before Drake squeeze in for a touchdown on the fourth try.
Where do you have Chase Edmonds and James Connor, and why do I feel like I'm the only one
worried about Chase Edmonds?
I actually kind of agree, it's a little concerning that Chase Edmonds is not going to get
those high-volume touches.
Are you more excited about Connor or more worried about Edmonds?
More worried about Evans, probably?
Same.
I'm like not, this might end up being like a big mistake on my part, but I have like no interest
in drafting Chase Edmonds.
I don't know why.
He's just not on my radar this year, really.
And I think you kind of addressed it.
It's like he could lose the high value touches.
We don't really know exactly how they're going to split it up.
Like he's never had a heavy workload, really, like consistently heavy workload.
You know, there's a little bit of hype right now.
Like, you know, Benjamin.
I don't know.
It just doesn't really excite me.
And so I'm definitely just avoiding him.
We've got, in half PPR, we've got Edmonds as the RB20.
and then we've got James Connor as the RB 37.
I would just rather go with Connor, you know,
two or three rounds later than invested Edmonds at this point.
I think I probably would too.
I think Edmonds is an average running back
with maybe above average pass catching skills.
I think week to week, Chase Edmonds will be the guy
who will give you the most consistent output,
but I think James Connor is going to have spike weeks
of like one, two touchdown weeks.
Because the Cardinals, weirdly,
kind of goes against what you think about them on the surface, but they're kind of a good
rushing team. They're actually pretty good at it. They were almost more efficient running than
they were passing last year. And, you know, I think the fact that they even signed James Connor
is kind of a knock on what they think about Chase Edmonds. It kind of means that they don't think
he can be that like goal line red zone guy. So yeah, James Connor at a hundred that are a hundredth
pick, I think is a really good value, even though he's boring as hell. I like Chase Simmons a lot
as a player, but he's like classic running back dead zone guy to me, where if he falls out,
but just the receivers in that range
are really just more appealing to me
even though that you could make the case for him.
All right, wait, all right, we're going back now
to finish. The most fun
player, so James Connor is the least
is the least fun player who can help you.
Who is the most fun player that will
probably not win you a game?
Henry Ruggs.
He was one of the guys I was thinking about too.
He's like explosive, fast,
deep threat, he can run after the catch.
I think that they'll get him more involved this year.
But I also think he's probably
going to be one of those players that's like he has
12, one game, two, the next
game, 16, the next game,
three, the next game. Like, it's going to be so
frustrating, you can't really use him.
That's what's fun, though? Because there's fun to watch
and then there's fun to, like,
like, Rugs, if you're not watching
the Raiders, is infuriating.
Well, it's hard to...
So, like, the guy who flashes the most?
The question, what's, like, who's a player
who's fun to have, but will never win you a game?
It's kind of like an oxymoron. It's like, well, then they're not
fun to have. Right. I think
it kind of more means like who do you
draft that is kind of perceived
as like a sexy pick who you think
will pay off and every week you're hopeful but it
kind of never does. She's like those like deep
threat guys. It's like the Henry Roeons.
Well, Deshawn Jackson.
Mike Williams. Is it Mike Williams? Absolutely. He had a thousand yards last year.
If you're saying that the idea
of how he'll play for you in your mind
when you put him in the lineup is the biggest
gap from how he actually performs, it's Mike.
That's Henry Ruggs, not Mike Williams.
Mike Williams had a thousand yards last year, 10 touchdowns
year before that.
He's just hurt.
Never had 50 catches in the season.
Yeah, okay.
When he plays, he's good.
Tony Pollard.
Tony Pollard.
Everyone loves Tony Pollard.
He's a really good player.
There's people that genuinely and earnestly believe he's a better player than Ezekiel
Elliott, and he's going to win you zero games as long as Elliot.
Those people didn't watch hard knocks.
Zeke's in great shape, baby.
Dude, Zeke looks skinny.
Yeah, he does.
Tony Pollard is just Duke Johnson from like four years ago.
Remember when everyone was on that?
Exactly.
Exactly.
Do you think Tony Pollard starts?
let me put do you think
Tony Pollard breaks 100 rushing yards in a game
over the next two years?
Not if Zique is healthy.
When Zique is out, sure, but not when
Zika is healthy. Yeah, no. I say no
too. I don't think he'll, I don't, I actually
don't think he'll ever do it. Ever, ever.
By the way, Duke Johnson, free agent.
I know. Yeah, he's for now.
He's 27.
For now. The other guy that's going to put on here is
Corderell, Carder L Patterson, who
I think people are still enamored
with like, and rightly so, like,
He's a very dynamic player.
He's one of the best returners of all time.
Or I don't know if that might be a little bit much,
but he's a very good returner.
And then he also is just like,
he doesn't have a position.
He's a running back.
He's a receiver.
You never know what they're going to do with him.
There's opportunity there in Atlanta.
Okay.
Here's the thing.
Here's the thing with this.
I'm so annoyed.
You triggered.
Yeah, exactly.
That's my point.
I just walked right into that, didn't I?
I'm, I'm exactly like my demo here.
Like, it's annoying because people get excited
about Patterson, he's not going to do jack shit for you.
Can I toss out a guy?
I feel like the most fun player to have
who probably won't ever win you a game
is usually like, we're picking guys who like aren't very good.
Can I pick one player who's actually like good
in a starter who is not going to win you a game
but he's fun to watch?
It's O'Dell Beckham the last like three years.
He makes like one odd,
every time he catches like a 20 yard out with one hand,
you're like, oh yeah, I got the best receiver in the league.
He's like the guy in warmups
who does like through the legs dunks and then plays
and sucks at like 24-hour fitness.
that is what it's like watching O'Dell.
Like his warm-ups are better than his actual game performance half the time.
I mean, the play he had against the-Bounds had two plays against the Cowboys that were maybe the best plays like all season,
which were one Jarvis's like incredible throw to O'Dell.
And then O'Dell also had that like double end around where he outran like nine Cowboys got defenders.
And it was like, that's just absolutely incredible.
And then he doesn't catch another pass the rest of the game.
Yeah, basically.
All right, this one's from Phil.
From a long time, Phil.
Wait, I forgot to do the least fun players.
Oh, yeah.
you guys didn't do yours. We just did James
Connor. We said James Connor, Kirk
Cousins, Matt Ryan, Derek Carr,
like minutes ago. So I just forgot.
Ronald Jones,
Jamal Williams, and
Sterling Shepherd. We're my three.
Okay, now we can move on.
Sorry. Thanks. Glad we got those.
Okay. This is from Phil.
From a longtime fan,
Craig is a butthead. Little known fact.
I bet you won't mention it. Craig's a butthead.
Craig, do you know this Phil person?
I don't. So, Phil,
unsubscribe.
Wow.
Wow.
Unsubscribe, Phil.
I was from Maddie J.
First time doing a dynasty team,
and I've landed with the number one pick.
My best three keeper options from last season.
It's D.K. Metcalf could be kept
for a third rounder.
A.J. Brown could be kept for a third rounder.
And Justin Herbert could be kept for a 13th rounder.
So this is for Matt,
but it's also for like everyone who has keeper questions.
The obvious answer is Justin Herbert in the 13th.
I don't think there's really a debate.
Well, is this a superflex?
Probably not.
Let's assume not.
Yeah.
Well, it's Dynasty.
Well, it's Keeper.
It's keeper.
I would quibble with the dynasty term here because in Dynasty, you keep all your players and you don't have to worry about the rats.
Yeah, good point.
If it's one quarterback, would you do Herbert, though, D.K.?
Probably not, because it's one quarterback.
I would probably take, uh, AJ Brown, I think with worth the third.
Yeah.
Wow.
That intrigues me.
I think in general, I think you're probably right with the quarterback, the one quarterback thing.
I'd probably still do.
Herbert. I guess for me, my thing is, if your question is usually like, there's an elite player
at a slight discount or an almost elite player for a huge discount, I want the huge discount.
Like for this one, if every team gets one keeper and this guy has the first pick, which means
the third rounder is probably the 21st pick, I don't think keeping AJ or DK with the 21st
pick is a particularly huge value, even after the 10 keepers come off the board.
Yeah, that's fair.
But, D.K., you made a good point there.
I don't know.
Now, at first I was like, yeah, Herbert.
And now I'm like, if it's a redraft,
or if it's a one-quarterback league,
maybe it is nice to get.
I think the really answer is you always have to see
who the other people would probably keep.
And so I think, like, Justin Jefferson is the only person I can tell you.
Justin Jefferson will get kept in this league.
That's an elite receiver off.
So you want to know how many of the other people in those,
in the top 20 are coming off so you can figure out,
could you get DK or A.J. Brown with the third rounder if you keep it.
The answer might be yes.
I think you got to take Herbert in the 13th.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's a good question.
These are always so tough.
I mean, I guess that's why people are asking these questions, but like, these are always difficult to answer.
I'm Phelian Herbert.
So it's from Brandon.
You guys have talked about Christian McCaffrey and Travis Kelsey being so good.
It's like having two players worth of production in one spot.
Also, there's crazy depth of quarterback and receiver.
So in an auction, or we're doing Sky Cup now, why shouldn't I spend whatever it takes to get both Kelsey and McCaffrey and save elsewhere?
Thank you from Brandon.
I feel like the answer is, yeah, you should do that.
Yeah.
I mean, this is exactly the Stars and Scrubs strategy where basically you go huge on a couple
guys, whether that's two, three, four guys or whatever.
You have like these targets in mind.
And then you kind of just fill the rest of your roster with maybe up and coming type guys,
maybe undervalued older veterans, you know, whatever the case may be.
Because I think like these are the types of players like Christian McCaffrey and Travis
Kelsey, like he said, are basically like having one and a half or two players in one starting
spot. So that's kind of just like how you win in these leagues. Auction salary cap leagues or
whatever are, there's multiple ways to do it. You know, there's not one hard and fast rule.
I would say the best thing is just pick the right players. And I think in this case,
is Chris McCaffrey and Travis Kelsey are pretty much guaranteed outside of injury to be like elite players
at their position.
We just did the rewatchables on Super Bad
for the 200th episode
You should check it out
But one of the lines in there reminds me of
This question
It just popped into my head
You know
Hyivets being like yeah
I mean you should just draft
Christian McCaffrey and Travis Kelsey
Like having both those guys is awesome
It reminds me when McLevin
Asked the Seth Rogen
What it's like to have a gun
He's like having two cocks
If one of your cocks
If one of your cocks could kill somebody
That's when it's like having McAvary and Kelsey
It's like having two cocks
Have one of your cock could kill somebody
Wow
Okay I'm never
ever going to look at these guys again.
Yeah.
Yeah, wow.
I don't even want to know which is which either.
Oh, my God.
Hi Fitz, you've got a whole bunch of advice written down here in the docs.
Yeah, well, we've got a lot of emails about auctions in salary cap leagues, which are the same
thing.
We're just changing the name of salary cap leagues.
One just from Petricor, which asking just, what are the most successful draft strategies?
You know, there's anchor running back, which, you know, one big running back at the top,
starting with two running backs or just, and how does that trend?
like auction drafts.
Like a lot of,
a lot of you have asked about auction drafts.
So I have some notes here.
And I think just number one,
this is every league,
but just again,
know the rules and the scoring
and how many roster spots.
You should be able to outline
what your scoring is
and benching all that top of your head.
Two is like,
you just have to mock draft a lot.
I know that sounds really silly to say,
but if it's an,
especially if it's an auction
and you're new to this,
you should do it a lot.
And then similarly,
like you act,
it's nerdy,
but like it's also kind of fun.
If you make a budget,
like an Excelor Sheets,
a budget sounds boring.
but like look at like the suggested draft values and whatever the platform is that like there's a little dollar number build a team with those numbers and just see what you know practice and then when you're actually doing the draft don't be afraid to go over the suggested amount it's kind of like you do one of these drafts it's like you know players worth $40 and then the bid it goes to 41 and everyone freezes it's like no one wants to go over 42 just because the numbers who cares if they did freeze that would be awesome but the problem is no one does it always goes over it feels like
And so the, yeah, so everyone will always go to that number because they're like, well, I'm getting a value.
It says 40 and it's 39.
And then it goes over and people get all tepid.
For the good players, go over the number.
Do not be afraid.
If it says 64 for Christian McCaffrey, go to 65.
Go to 72.
He's the best player in football.
You'd rather overpay for $5 on the $65 player than overpay for $5 on the $4 player.
And you're going to overpay for $4 on somebody.
So don't be afraid to do that.
going to say the one thing that I think the salary cap league that I think or the salary cap advice
that I would give is don't try and get value on everything like don't try and draft a bunch of values
because it's just not going to happen you're not the only one that has like these guys as
quote values in their head so don't go into the draft thinking oh I'm just going to get a bunch of guys
that are valued like undervalued or whatever you want to fill in the you want to fill in your
ross fill in the colors with value but you can't paint the whole picture with like
perfectly priced guys or else you're also you're going to fill in your ross fill in the colors with value.
you're just going to go through the whole draft and all the guys that you wanted at value are
going to be, they're not going to be values.
Like, have some conviction.
Like, last year, for instance, in one of my leagues, I really just thought Devante Adams
is going to go off.
So I, like, quote, overpaid for him, probably by a lot.
And I remember at the time, people like, wow, really going for it.
DeVante Adams here.
And, I mean, obviously, he turned out to be amazing.
And I'm not, I didn't, like, win the league or anything, so I'm not, like, bragging.
But, like, that's just the idea that you have to go in with some conviction.
and, you know, kind of just stick to your guns and be, like I've said, don't be afraid to
like bid up a guy if you really think he's just going to be a stud this year.
Yeah, don't go like overboard.
Like, it's an art.
Like, you don't want to just go in like last year being like, $85.
I need Marquis Brown and he suggested for eight and then you pay $20.
Like, don't do that.
But at the same time, just remember.
Those are the killers.
Yeah.
That's the don't be too fixated in who you want, but certainly have an idea of who you want,
who you don't.
The other one is just, there's just certain, like, tips.
Like, one is you just want to get money off the board.
Everyone in the beginning has money to spend.
Fix that.
Don't nominate the guys you really want first.
Unless you feel like actually in my leagues,
I've always found that the first one or two guys off the board,
everyone's a little tepid and that gets going.
But generally speaking,
you want to get guys after everyone spent their money
and starts pinching pennies.
So like if you don't want, like Joe Mixon,
if you're like, you know what,
I'm not into Joe Mixing this year.
There's no way I want him.
Then nominate him and let someone else spend $40 in Joe Mixon
so that person doesn't have money to bed
on the next big running back you want.
If you do that like six or seven rounds,
eventually you,
You want, once everyone's spent their money, your guys to be, you know, left.
And then also, as we said before, bit up your Patriots fan, your friend who's a Patriots fan trying to get Brady,
bit up the guy who's a Packers fan trying to get Rogers, do all that.
But most importantly, this is, throw out everything else except this.
Just pay attention.
Like, I cannot, like, all the information and all the prep is meaningless.
Like, the hardest part of an auction is you have to pay attention for three hours in a row.
And it kind of sucks and is exhausting.
But, like, it's amazing how often an hour and a half.
everyone's eyes glaze over, and then, like, someone who should have gone for $18 goes for, like, 11.
It's like the SAT for fantasy football.
Also, one thing I should add is that it's hard to do, but if you can have a list of everyone
else's team and roster as they're drafting it in front of you to know what they have,
so when you're bidding back and forth against somebody and they have two running backs and
you only have one and there's not a lot of good ones left, know that they're probably going to
flame out and you shouldn't get scared off and you should bid more than them, you know?
Yeah.
Or if they have no receivers in UF2, you're like, oh, this guy's going to outspend me.
I should just back off, you know, stuff like that.
But I made three archetypes of auction drafters that I wanted to run through you guys,
run past you guys, not through you.
I guess I could run it through you.
I'm going to run it right through you.
So listen, oxen drafts are very much like real life.
People are very irresponsible with their money.
And I would argue to let them spend it, just like Haifid said, throw out all the bad guys first.
But here are the three types.
One, you have the spoiled rich kid.
He wants to be the talk of the town.
He usually overspends on like two of the first eight picks
and the first 10 minutes of the draft because it's sexy, it's fun.
Just a lavish spender.
You know what I mean?
He'll grab like McCaffrey and Zeeke and be like,
my team's the best.
Everyone's like,
Jesus, this guy's team's unbelievable.
But then, like, he has to wait an hour to make his next pick,
and by then he's had like four and a half IPAs.
Just gets drunk?
Yeah.
100%.
And his team ends up, you know,
not doing that great.
And he essentially needs those top two guys to be healthy to stay alive in the season.
That's the spoiled rich kid.
Then you got the janitor who thinks he's smarter than everybody else,
and he waits like 40 minutes to spend his first dollar.
So he can then sweep up all the leftovers of the draft.
You know, all the values that you guys are talking about that hang around.
But that person usually leans in too hard
and ends up having to overspend on a bunch of crappy players.
So you want to be right in the middle,
which is what I call the Manu Genoobli.
You want to pick your spots.
Take good shots.
Don't get antsy.
Maybe overspend once or twice.
Don't get bored.
Watch the entire time.
Oh, be all right with not drafting.
for 20 to 30 minutes at a time.
Drive up prices, constantly bid.
If you really pick your spots,
but by the end of the game,
you end up having a great stat line like Manu.
Absolutely perfect.
I feel like in these salary cap leagues,
you have to have like a diaper on
or like be like in an astronaut, you know, suit or something
where you don't have to get up to go to the bathroom
for during the draft because it's like every time I go to the bathroom
in these drafts, it's like,
god damn it.
Like two or three of the guys that I really want to just went off the board.
You got to bring the laptop into the bathroom.
I'm dead serious.
You have to.
So non-hygienic.
If you want to win,
you bring the laptop into the bathroom.
Yeah.
You go full,
you go full Paul Rudd,
this is 40,
laptop in the bathroom.
You may actually just,
you might actually need to just draft
inside the bathroom.
I mean,
you can do shit on your phone now.
So,
well,
we're talking about dedication.
This is like serious advice.
And I,
maybe I'm like not a patriotic man.
But you know what?
Don't drink during the draft.
Yeah.
Pretend,
pretend to drink.
You can possibly have.
Do the KGB thing.
just pretend to be drunk.
It is.
No, it's true.
Like, you've ever seen
that Burn Notice episode
he was doing a spy
and he's like a big spy thing
is you got to learn
how to order like seven drinks
but not really drink anything?
Like you gotta,
like you kind of have to do that
with your friends.
If you're doing an in-person draft,
which, you know,
depending where you live,
or whatever,
just, guess what?
No one is good at spending money
when you're drunk.
No one.
This is,
you're staring at a screen
for three hours
and you're bidding over and over like...
Inefficient,
go out the window.
Yeah.
If you actually just don't get drunk,
you have an advantage
over like seven other people.
Drunk guys team is never the best team,
but don't you guys agree that
I'm always a little too hesitant in Oxen Drafts
because I want to be smart
and I want to make the right move.
Sometimes I lean a little bit too much
into like the janitor realm
where like it'll be a guy I really want
like Alan Robinson last year
and he'll be like $31, $32
and I'll have him at like $32 on my like projections
and then he'll end up going for like 36
and I'll back off and then the draft will end
and I'm like, God damn it I was mad I didn't just spend $4.
That's why you need tears.
You need tears because you need to know like
I want one of these elite running backs.
Yeah.
And then you also like, I want one of these,
I want one of these or two of these 15 guys to be my top two receivers.
And then you also need to know, well, if I only get one of them,
I'm going to allocate my money elsewhere.
You want to have like, you know, a loose plan of like, I want these dudes.
So are you saying you need a beer, though, to lube the wheels to pull that button the last time?
Yeah, maybe one.
Because look, even if it's like the last guy in your tier and you're like, I need to get him,
and then there's somebody else in your draft who's bidding them up,
you still are like shit this is a bad value oh maybe i'll just get the top guy in my next tier
and then you don't make you know you don't pull the trigger and then at the end of the draft you're
like damn it i should have just i was actually this is actually really sort of illuminating because like
i think if you're like a cheap bastard like me you actually do need a few beers in order to like
i guess get a little more ballsy on like who you're pulling the trigger on like be willing to
like bit up a guy because if you're too like uptight and worried and like you said trying to just
get to extract the most value from each of these guys. It's like, then you're just, your team is just
going to not be what you want to. Sometimes ignorance is bliss and sometimes the people who just show up
to the auction draft, have a pretty decent team and you end up being a little jealous of how they
do it. It's like people who are better at bowling or pool when they're drunk. You know, like,
I suck at pool when I'm sober. Yeah? Because then I'm like thinking about it too much. Like I'm
like trying to line it up, you know? So listen, you don't want to pee a lot. So maybe here's the
option. Just take two shots of whiskey before your draft. That's actually a good idea.
You know Marshall Lynch used to take a shot of Hennessy before all those games?
Yeah, I mean, I get that.
Have you ever seen Marshall Lynch walking in a backpack, in the backpack was just Hennessy?
Yeah, that's dope.
Love it.
Two shots of whiskey, so you don't have to pee, but you still get the buzz.
No, I would do a beer.
Okay, next one via Kyler, and he puts in parentheses, not Kyler-Murray, which...
Good to know.
I mean, I feel like Kyler would do that.
I don't know.
Maybe it still is Kyler.
It seems like it is Kyler, yeah.
Hey, guys, big fan of the show.
I was curious about your personal takes on fantasy team names.
Do you change from year to year based on your players
or do you keep a consistent year over year?
I put zero thought into my team names.
I am the exact opposite.
I put tons of thought into it.
Well, that makes sense because D.K.'s a psycho who's,
how many leagues do you have 16?
Oh, that's true.
Yeah, something like that.
I'm in two leagues.
I have, so actually, my year,
my keeper slash dynasty teams
in football and baseball,
I keep the same name forever.
Oh, wow.
There's continuity.
But my redraft leagues, football or baseball,
I have new names every year.
I think new names every year really injects some fun into the season.
I basically make a pun out of a player's name that I draft every year.
You can't ever go wrong making fun of your friends.
You guys want to want me to be like the biggest grinch in the world and explain something that I'm just thinking of right now?
Like I'm the worst, like I'm that guy at the party.
Like people are going to hear this and be like, wow, you must be fun at parties.
But it annoys me when people use their not real name for team names because then I don't know who the fuck I'm trying to change.
trade with and stuff.
It's like hard to get,
it's hard to keep track of who.
So you wanted to be team high fits and team Horlebeck?
Team Kelly.
So in a lot of my dynasty leagues,
for instance.
So like redraft I get it.
Like most of the time you're with like your friends and all that.
Yeah.
It's still a little bit hard to keep track of who the fuck is who.
And I just find that so annoying.
I'm like you have to go through the list of names.
You're trying to find like, for instance,
Bobby's team.
And I'm like,
I don't know who this is.
So I have to like click on each goddamn team,
trying to figure out who Bobby is.
And then go through and like, I want to make a trade with Bobby because I know that he's not going to be an annoying piece of shit trader that like will, you know, go back and forth for like six days and then decide not to do a trade.
And so I think it's super annoying when people use names on their teams.
And like 90% of my dynasty teams is all literally just first and last name.
Okay.
I'm not going to lie.
I am trying to do two things.
I'm trying to appreciate and understand your lived experience while also being like,
Like, that's because you're in 16 leagues and there's 180 other teams you have to keep track of.
And for people like us who only have to keep track of one or two or three leagues, it's not hard.
Yeah, to me, it's fun when you learn your team, your league mates is funny names.
And then you, I mean, it takes like a week and then you know them all.
And then you're good.
I've never had that problem.
I just don't.
I just do not care about that whatsoever.
Oh, I think it's so fun.
I can't believe not only are you the guy who's like, yeah, I'm team Kelly.
But you're mad that we're not team.
hyphen since the world. I told you I was going to be a grinch about it. I'm just saying it's a
it's annoying not trying to fucking like connect the dots on who's who I never
fucking know who anyone is. Are you against the tooth fairy and giving children money for the
lost teeth? They should earn that shit. I'm actually against that and Santa. I'm actually against
telling kids about Santa. You're against telling kids about Santa. What does that mean?
You're Jewish. Well, I'm Jewish so first of all this is going to be a whole Jewish thing.
But to be clear, I grew up in a very ambiguous household. Yeah. And my pit, we did Christmas with a tree
and Christmas morning for like 15 years.
Like wait, wait, I bet I did it longer than you did.
15 years?
Longer than you did.
So I'm just saying, I don't want to hear that it's because you're doing.
My older sister told me it was, he was not real like when I was really young.
So wait, hyphids, you're saying you're going to tell your kid the second he's, you know,
conscious enough to understand what you're saying that Santa's fake?
Well, I guess there's probably social pressure because everyone else isn't lying.
I guess my question is what, I get where it's like the parenting thing.
I think it comes down to like in July.
your kid's screaming at the mall and you're like,
Santa won't give you any presents.
But like, why do we have to craft this whole lie about this dude
instead of just being like, hey, I gave this gift to you, honey,
because I love you.
Why can't parents just give Christmas gifts out of love?
Okay, one, they're not exclusive.
You can give your kids gifts and Santa can give your kids gifts.
That's what I would do growing up.
You can have a gift from mom and a gift from Santa.
And it's fun for children.
One, it's a moral compass saying, hey, be a good person
or Santa won't give you gifts.
It's also just really damn fun.
I feel like the funnest times in life are every single year before 10.
And then it just gets worse.
Let them have some fun.
You both are great.
I guess that you could have Santa.
And yeah, I guess, this is going to be a whole.
He's Jewish thing.
But we really did the Santa stuff.
Your perspective will change when you have to.
Well, we screwed.
So we actually, my brother and I were actually assholes.
We found out, obviously, like, at school that Santa's not real.
And then we didn't want to tell our mom that we knew.
So we kept the ruse going.
And then, but then it got like, we were uncomfortable.
old before we had discussed it.
So I don't remember, I think
it was like, my brother was, I mean, actually,
the reason was my brother was approaching the bar mitzvah,
and they were like, this is ridiculous.
Like, we can't have a barmitsa child, believe in Santa.
So I think my brother was like 12,
and I must have been like nine.
And then my mom told us, and my brother and I look at each other,
and we're both like, yeah, we're pretending that
this is the first time we heard.
And we just start crying, like a fake to make my mom feel bad.
Like, we made my mom cry
because we thought, she thought we were so upset.
Little Jimmy Hifitz is going to walk in the door from his first day at kindergarten.
He's five years old.
And he's going to go, Dad, I heard about this guy named Santa Claus.
I think he brings people gifts.
And Hifitz is going to be drinking an IPA.
And he's in a suit.
He's going to turn around and go, Jimmy, Santa's fake.
Do your homework.
I just feel like it's, yeah, all right.
It's compelling that you can give gift.
I distinctly remember as a child.
You know how they used to, I don't know if they still do this.
I think they probably do.
But like, you know how the news, the local news would be like,
oh, we've tracked Santa's rain.
to the North...
Oh, every year, NORAT.
But then, like, even, like, the couple weeks before it's like, oh, guess what, guys,
we found Santa's reindeer.
You know, they're getting ready for Christmas time.
And then it would, like, go to, like, a shot, like, a stock shot of, like, some reindeer
grazing.
I love that stuff.
And I remember being, like, I was like, holy shit.
You know, that's amazing.
How do they find them?
Like, I was, like, going through my mind, like, how they found these reindeer.
And then, you know, my whole life crumbled when I found out it was all just.
a bit. It was just like to deceive children.
Did you ever check saying his sleigh on Norad on Christmas Eve?
Yeah, I remember doing all that stuff.
It's so fun. I love when a whole city or the world at that matter kind of like comes together and
like puts on a little ruse. Like I think it's great that like the fucking local news is doing it
for no other reason that it's like cute and fun and festive. Anyhow.
D.K., let me name all your teams this year. Just send me your rosters. I'll name all your teams.
You know what? Email us ideas for DK's 16 fantasy. We have, I mean, there's a lot of
Entry series.
He actually have a pretty good, decent example.
Fantasy football at the, sorry,
ringer fantasy football at gmail.com.
Email us ideas for Danny Kelly's team names.
Okay, this one's from Connor.
When looking for values in your rankings,
is it better to use 80, like average draft position
specific to your drafting platform?
Or should you just focus on an industry-wide average draft position?
So I would say, don't, don't use your platform's ADP.
Yeah.
No.
So basically, I actually,
I actually, if I can give one piece of advice to people for the drafts, other than just be sober, bring a different set of rankings than the one you're drafting on.
And everyone just becomes unintentionally obsessed with the number next to a guy's name.
But it's called anchoring.
And it's just this researcher, Daniel Kahneman, did this study.
And they asked people, how, like, do you think, like, the tallest California redwood tree in the world over under 200 feet?
We did this.
What?
We, we, this was one of the showdown.
questions. I remember this.
Yeah, we talked about this last August.
So he said, over under 200 feet, and then people gave it their answer.
He's like, okay, how tall do you think it is?
And then on average, they said it was like 300 feet.
Then he took a different group of people and said, how tall is the talls California redwood tree
over under 1,200 feet?
He asked the previous group 200.
He asked this group 1,200.
And that group gave their answer.
He said, okay, how tall do you think the tree is?
They guessed like an average of like 950.
That sandbagging, son of a bitch, Kenaman.
Just by changing the number from 200, just to changing the number, he asked.
before them, he made people guess the tallest tree from 300 feet to 900, just by suggesting
a different number. And that's the same with fantasy football. I see where you're going with this.
Yes, yes. Hmm. This is a good metaphor. When they give people a number, you anchor your mind to it,
whether you like it or not. And so to unanchor yourself in the room, when you're, the clock is,
it's like, duh, duh, duh, you have eight seconds left. And it says, we'll fall or 68. And you just take
him. And then you realize, oh, like, that's a terrible value. You want different rankings with different
numbers so you have the benefit of not looking at the same numbers as everyone else.
So a couple of years ago, I mean, I can't speak to whether he believes this or not still.
But I remember Evan Silva told me one strategy that he thinks is smart is to bring in, like,
print it out or have it in a spreadsheet next to you or whatever when you're drafting,
bring in the latest ADP from like the best ball.
So like for instance, Underdog publishes ADP for their best ball tournaments, which it's sharp
people who have money on the line, you know, they're putting their money where their mouth is,
blah, blah, blah, and have been drafting all summer. They're following things. Like, it's wisdom of the
crowds. It's, you know, it's really sharp ADP compared to, like, for instance, just like the
rankings or the ADP based on all the leagues in the world, which is what you'll see like at, you know,
ESPN or Yahoo or whatever. And he said to bring those and check off guys, and you'll start to see,
you know, really good values drop in drafts.
And that's where you can start to like grab those guys.
And it might look like a reach according to whatever platform you're on.
But in reality, it's definitely not, like based on at least the wisdom of the crowds,
the smart, sharp guys that are drafting all year or all summer long and following this stuff really, really closely and putting money on it, all this stuff.
I think that's a really good way to do.
And I've done that a few times.
And I've always seemed to really like my teams when I do it.
So that's another like just piece of specific advice you can do.
So go to like underdog and download their ADP.
and just go from there.
Yeah, that's a good one.
Again, like Trey Sermans,
probably would 50 spots higher
in some,
the best ball ADP
than he is on the ESPN.
So check that out.
Okay, we got another one from Aisha.
Dearest one,
how are you today?
I hope my male meet you
in good condition of health.
Dear, I have decided to contact you
due to the urgency
for a business venture
slash project,
which I need your assistance.
I am Ayesha Moa Mora Gordafi,
the only daughter of the embattledled
We're doing this.
We're doing the whole thing.
The Honorable Moa Mar Gaddafi.
This is the second time
we've gotten this. You did this joke last year. We got it again yesterday. No, I know, but we got it
the same person. We got it again. My father of blessed memory deposited the sum of $28 million in one of
bank here in Burkina Faso, which he used in my name as next to kin. I am in search of honest and
reliable person who will help me and stand as my trustee so that I will help present him the
bank. I have chosen to contact you after my prayers and I believe that you will not betray my trust.
Let's do this. Let's see where it goes. I want that money. She's probably in a really pricey
auction league.
Anyway.
With $28 million, get you
McCaffrey and Kelsey?
It's like two cocks.
Jesus.
Okay, other ones.
People emailed us about the Anchorman Pod
we did, and they had two good points.
One, someone said, how did we not give the
Go Fuck Yourself San Diego Award to
the Chargers for literally saying, go fuck yourself,
San Diego and league it?
Oh, fuck.
That's really good, damn it.
Pretty big missed opportunity.
Thank you for pointing out.
We were being sensitive towards Craig,
who is the third string Chargers quarterback.
true. I also cannot believe we didn't assign the loud noises. I don't know why we're yelling.
I don't know how we didn't get that in. That was just such a failure. Oh my God. By the way,
we forgot to talk about this. I meant to bring it up, but Angerman has some of the best character
names of any movie of all time. Ron Burgundy, Champ kind, Brick Tamlin. The fact his name is
brick is like maybe one of the biggest strokes of genius I've ever heard. Brick Tanlin, Tamlin.
Brian Fantana is not really that funny.
West Manteuth
West Manteoth is really good
Veronica Corningstone
is like a really good
stereotypical news name
anchor name
Is Mantooth a real last name?
I feel like it is
Is there a fake last name out there?
Anything can be a real last name
You know how Bill had the whiteboard
with all the names
and then they settled on the ringer?
I need the whiteboard of names
before it was Ron Bergen
I know
I need the other 40 ideas
Brick
Brick
Last one fun fact
On Twitter I tweeted out
you know, ask us anything about fantasy football and I just throw out.
Or, you know, ask us about, you know, give us fun facts about the cosmos.
And then this is written.
I wrote Cosmos.
So someone sent in, this isn't about the Cosmos, but it's about Cosmos.
Here's a subreddit, which is slash hold my Cosmo.
And it is all just like, it's like women, it's like drunk women doing things.
It's like a drunk woman like walking down a bowling alley to like get her ball.
And it's just all women who like handed over the drink and then like go to like do a handsstand.
And they're full.
It's really fun.
How many subscribers does that subreddit have?
It has 1.6 million.
Oh, my.
Christ.
It's huge.
My guy, it's a damn epidemic.
There are 2,500 people on it right now.
What's your guys' favorite Reddit?
Do you have one?
No, subreddit?
I mean, the Westworld one I spent a lot of time on for work.
Oh, that's a good one.
Honestly, the fantasy football one's actually pretty good.
Yeah, I do.
I read that one sometimes.
Among the Reddit threads that I have books.
marked. Nature is
fucking lit.
It's great.
Oddly satisfying is great.
That's what I was going to say.
Yeah.
Oddly satisfying.
Black magic fuckery.
Wow.
That's a good one.
This is like the stuff I do when I'm bored or like I need to like take a mental
break for five minutes.
I go to nature is fucking lit on Reddit and just like look at crazy spiders eating like a
camel or something.
Like just nature is fucking metal, man.
I feel like TikTok is the evolved version.
of Reddit.
It's kind of the same thing
where you learn,
it's also entertaining,
and you can get lost in it
for an hour.
All right,
send us good Reddit threads
and or good TikTok accounts
to ringer Fantasy Football at Gmail.com.
You're going to get a lot of porn.
You're going to get a lot of porn
Reddit threads here.
Please don't send us that.
We don't want that.
Sorry.
Unless there's one where
someone's cock is a gun,
then send us back.
Send us to Craig.
Please do not send that to me.
Well, you ask for it.
All right.
Thank you.
Map porn is good, by the way.
Map porn? What's that?
Map porn. It's exactly what it sounds like. It's just cool maps.
Dude, I watched the Anthony Bourdain episode where they go to Tokyo.
It's on HBO Max, and he literally finds the guy who created tentacle porn.
Oh, my God, really?
Human genitalia in Japan at the time is, like, illegal.
Oh.
So he tentacle, he just was like, yeah, so I figured tentacles, right?
and now it's like he has made so much money.
That's ingenuity right there.
It is unbelievable.
And on that note, let's leave before we get fired.
Goodbye, everyone.
Thank you, Craig. Thank you, D.K.
Thank you, Lorne.
Thank you, Snoop.
Have you done Snoop before, D.K.?
Probably.
Ludacris.
All right, that's good.
Shouts out Fast and the Furious.
