The Ringer NFL Show - Eagles SB Vibes With Chris Ryan, Saints Hire Kellen Moore, and Jets Move on From Aaron Rodgers

Episode Date: February 12, 2025

The guys are joined by The Ringer’s Chris Ryan to break down the Eagles’ Super Bowl blowout win over Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs (1:00). Later, they react to major news around the league, including Kellen Moore leaving the Super Bowl champs for the Saints’ head coaching job, the Jets breaking up with Aaron Rodgers, Deebo’s trade request, and much more (33:10). Check out our 2025 Ringer NFL Draft Guide here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Guest: Chris Ryan Social: Kiera Givens Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The poles are greased here at the Spotify office. He walked in this morning. Chris was trying to climb the poles, to slather to Chris go. I thought this is the draft show. You're looking ahead. It's next year. He's probably right. What's how he could do next? Abdul Carter at 17 or whatever it is? No, you're right. We probably should do the draft show now. That's a good idea.

Yeah. That's a good note. In the same way you guys drafted Jalen Hertz too early, are you going to draft like Will Howard now just to prep for the post-Jalen Hurts era? It's always everybody's at work there all the time. I have a 24-hour operation. My first question for you, I will say genuinely earnestly, the Monday after your team wins the Super Bowl is probably the best day of your,

like almost better than the day before. Have you gotten any work done today or no? Yeah, I did the watch. I basically did 10 minutes on, I mean, maybe even 20 minutes on the Super Bowl with Greenwalt. it's been it's really cool being on the West Coast for it sucks you end the game

I mean you guys are both West Coasters so I don't know but the game ends at 7 it's Sunday night and you're in a city for people who don't give a shit so you're just kind of like what am I supposed to do

like there's a couple of Philly bars around that I could have gone to but I'm also in my late 40s so I didn't did you listen to the police scanner in Philly no I watched Twitter and then like it just seemed like it was honestly heaven on earth

really like one of the best performances If you were in Philly, what would you be doing that night? I probably would have gone out. I didn't go out the year the Phillies won the World Series I was there and I did not go out but I regret that to my dying day.

Part of you think about going back to Philly for this game because on the East Coast without exception, everybody I know from New York through like North Carolina from Philly went back to Philadelphia to watch the American.

I considered it. I considered it. I had invitations to go to certain people's houses in Philly to watch it. It would have been like an amazing night. I fucked up. I fucked up. Now you're sitting here.

And I was like, what do we think about the Thunderbolts trailer on the watch? That's what I had to do. Marvel going to turn it around. Rears and losers from Jurassic World Rebirth. How does it feel to kick Patrick Mahomes' teeth in?

Dude. So it was weird last night. It was over in like 16 minutes. So it's just a very tough time to just like watch four and a half hours of football being like just, just end it. When he threw the pick six, did that get it to 17-0?

Yes. And then the next was actually, he threw another pick. They went three and out three-and-y. Yeah. And that was like, oh, this game. Yeah, and then there was like the other bang-bang one that was pretty much the dagger was the Avante-Madix deflected the fourth down attempt. And then next play was the like line call, Jalen Hertz, dagger. That was, that was the best part of it was Burkhart was like, Mom's, what can he pull up?

And then like, it would crunch. I haven't seen Mahomes get that hard. Not to get into media corner here, but I have to say that your perception of a broadcast is so fundamentally changed when your team is playing in the game. Because Brady was like, I felt like I was in scanners last night

because Brady talked about the chiefs almost exclusively the whole time if he wasn't talking about himself in relationship to the chiefs. And I was like, I just feel like they're not capturing what an ass kicking this is and what an amazing performance this is

because they're like, well, it'll bite him. This will haunt him for a while, KB, more than the victories will even. You know, like, you're just like, dude, what are we watching? This is incredible. It was an all-time beatdown.

You know, it's also crazy about this game that I was thinking with Mahomes. Mahomes, I mean, this is maybe the worst game of his career. I think, I think easily the worst game. 36 yards of half. Statistically, plus the situation. I keep thinking about he had more yards. The Cooper de Gene, pick six,

gain more yards in the first half than the Chief did. It's just pretty crazy to think about the last. The two Eagles games before the Super Bowl versus the commanders in the Rams, like Stafford and Jayden Daniels kind of played good. I'll play them. They actually played like above average games. Jayden Daniels, although they let up 55 points,

offensively, kind of played okay. He balled out. Yeah. I mean, that's just crazy to think about it to me. It didn't seem like Fangio had saved some stuff for the Super Bowl, though. It was like, I don't really, I didn't actually read that, like watching the game. But I saw on Twitter the beat guys were like,

well, Fancio's throwing some stuff here that. I kind of love that, like the idea that they would be so confident. in this team that they're like, we're going to save some defensive looks from the homes. It's kind of sick. Well, I was talking to you earlier today, and there was, I saw this from Jimmy Kempski before the game, and I realized in that moment that I had fucked up by picking the chiefs. And it was basically he had been around the team all week.

He had been in the, I think it was in like the pregame warmups, everything watching. And he said, the big takeaway, the most like, I guess palpable thing that he took away from the entire week was that the Eagles are just like, we're going to kick theirs. kick their asses. And they just knew. And it reminds me so much, because everything reminds me of the C-Ox. But it reminds me so much of the 2013 team that beat the Broncos, the C-Ox, where they just came in and absolutely just annihilated. Payton Manning, that was the greatest offense of all time. 55 touchdown everywhere. And I remember, you know, reading some reports after the game with the C-Ox and, you know, just hearing basically the C-Ox went into that game, just knowing they were going to win.

And it was the same deal with the Eagles. They just knew they had better players. They knew they had a better team. They knew that they had a plan to make Mahomes totally uncomfortable. They did not blitz him one time the entire game. And they got 16 pressures and six sacks. And I don't want to be dramatic, but I think that there's a massive, massive parallel

between that C-Ox team and that game. They're totally. Russell Wilson and Jalen Hertz, very similar. The only thing is defense is missing is a nickname. Because if you look at it, similar to that, it's like all those guys were drafted on the CX defense, 2011, 2012, two incredible drafts. And it's like the core of this is the Georgia

defensive line of Nolan Smith and Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis and plug in what other defensive line is going to constantly replace Milton Williams and whatever. And then you have this back and now with Quinion Mitchell, Cooper DeGine, and this unbelievable thing. And like, as a Giants fan, it kills me because I'm like, this Eagles defense, the Eagles team is just so built between the defense and the offensive line that it's like, you are probably going to be the NFC favorite for like the next four years. Vibs must be quite high. This team is largely just coming back next year. Yeah, Milton Williams, Josh Sweat, Ben Van Summerin. all free agents.

You know, so tough. Well, Zach Bonn, you can franchise tag though on the inside linebacker price, which is like $11 million,

which is like an auto. Yeah, and we, like Nocobie didn't even play. So, I mean, I still have depth too. That's the wild thing.

I think the vibes are quite high. You know, I mean, the one thing I will say, let's just, let's just like, like, tease this out is that even in this game,

even with that scoreline, like, AJ was still like chirping about Jlin, obviously. Like, and Nick had to, like, kind of get up in the space about it.

And AJ Brown are yelling at each other up 17. Although AJ Brown, every time he does that, then gets served. Sometimes you need to fight to make the relationship work. It's like the couple in the notebook. The fighting actually makes it even stronger. You need that. It's a much different feeling than 17, which will be like the end of that game is like the best 10 minutes of my life. Dude, I feel that.

That was for me, it was Percy Harvin returned a touchdown to open the second half of the Seahawks Super Bowl. And I was like, okay, now I can just bask in this for the next, you know, whatever. But it was so unexpected that I was just like, this can't really be happening. Like, we kind of backed our way into the Super Bowl with Nick Foles. And now, like, we're going to beat Tom Brady. This is so crazy. And this time it was like, I had basically like the devil and the angel on my shoulder. It was like, if it's a close game, Mulhams is going to win easily.

But the other, like, fantasy was saying to me over the weekend, it's like, you guys can win like 3016. Like, you guys might just be like way better than them. And I think that this is like, if you just, if you're watching so much sports media, like, and listening to guys talk all the times, like, Mahomes takes out this like almost takes on this like almost outsized quality. It's like, it's not even a football player. He's like a myth. It's like a god. Yeah, he's a natural element. It's not even like, oh, yeah, well, he could throw a pick or he, whatever.

It's just like, no, if he can just will this to happen. So watching him be so mortal was kind of like disorienting. And it's an ick. It was an ick. the first quarter he was getting like Peyton Manning happy feet. He was not stepping up in the pocket. Also, he was broken up into pressure like immediately too. He mentally wasn't locked up.

He was like doing it. He looked nervous. He kept stepping into sacks. We also just kept getting his ass kicked. I mean, he just kept like, like, he got busted up by those guys a couple of times. But he also, he put so much pressure. His trainer actually, he's trained him since he was like 14 has admitted that he, usually they're like, we're going to have the best team we can and we're going to like

see how the season goes. And this year he was like, I want the three beat. I want the three feet. and I think it was a lot of pressure on him. The first play of the game where he hit Juju for like 50. It was the only first down they had forever. Yeah, in the first half.

Xavier Worthy was open for a 75-yard touchdown. On that play, he double clutched, didn't pull trick. And it's like that was clearly scripted to like first play touchdown. And I think that actually set the tone for the entire game and I kind of wonder if, I mean, I think the Eagle still kicked the shit out of him. But like Mahomes, that was before he got hit,

that was before anything. And like, Mahomes, frankly, like, it was the first time I'd seen in six years. So I was like, I think the moment was like a little, like he wasn't ready for it. It also just seemed like those guys knew they were going to lose way too early in the game. Way too early. Like as soon as like, I feel like at the end of the first quarter, like the shots of their sideline did not look like, we got these guys.

I mean, Aaron Andrews was like, she had a report. I think it was in the second quarter of Travis Kelsey and a couple other chiefs players had to, we're going up to Mahomes kind of like checking in on him. And Mahomes was pushing in the way saying, I'm okay, I'm okay. Once you start to hear that, it's like when people are doing a wellness check on you in the second quarter, it's hard to turn that around. Here's my question, Chris. can you already quote the YouTube videos of the people like the sidewalk interviews

with everyone celebrating last night can you already quote Yeah the woman who said that Sequin Barclay is my baby daddy You heard it here first He was definitely Did you see him shotgun that beer? Yes

That was one of the fastest Shackons I've ever seen in my life That's Penn State Strong right there That's Happy Valley Dog That was the most impressive thing you did all season It was legitimately like two seconds maybe I like talking about this psychological fan stuff with you guys because I think you get it.

There's something very strange too about like being checkmated into not being able to complain about Jalen Hertz. Yeah. But like you feel kind of one to him. You can't touch him. Yeah. It's like, I don't even know. It's like being happy about getting blackmailed.

You know what I mean? Like I'm like almost like, yeah, I guess I'm stuck in this marriage forever. That's cool. Like it's he, I will never say another bad thing about him. He did everything pretty much right with one pick. like didn't even seem to get rattled off the pick. And he plays the best when the lights are the brightest. Yes.

And it's just like nails when it's a big game. But like I'm just more into fucking Jane Daniels's arm. Like I don't even know. I don't know how to say this without sounding ridiculous. It's just like I guess I'm just stuck with you. Have you ever had that with a quarterback? I think that what you're describing sounds like... Quarterback is the guy who stands behind center and takes the ball.

He's like, you guys... I haven't seen one in a while. So that's good. Yeah. No, I kind of forgot. Honestly, the best arm. I mean, the Giants went four years were the best arm where their top two receivers.

Like, Odella had a better arm than Daniel Jones. Cadarist Tony had a better arm. I think Seekwon could throw farther than Daniel Jones. I think what you're describing about the quarterback thing and being happy is kind of like I was a little worried we were going to run late for a flight to Los Angeles. And then the flight got delayed. And I'm like, I can't complain about that now.

I'm kind of happy the flight got delayed. But my question for you is, I'm so happy for Seekwan. Yeah. That was the only downside of the Super Bowl is that he didn't have 160 yards. What is it like to root for it? What is this bit of Sequin experience start to finish most rushing yards

in their ever in his season? Did gave up the single season record, ended up with the full season Terrell Davis thing, got the Super Bowl. What has it been like to just... The new throat goat of shotguning beers. Seriously. Insane.

They can do that at the Pro Bowl. Shotgun competition. Man. I've never had this... How does a guy that... He's that good of shape? This is clearly not his first. rodeo, shot getting a beer.

No, I don't understand that. I've never had this experience with like a free agent signing to a professional sports team before. Like every Sixers signing has pretty much either started or ended in disaster. Does it feel earned? Because I think I had this, a very similar situation. It's like really born on third base. Kevin Durant coming to the worst felt the exact one.

He's like an NBA signing, yeah. Yeah, he just showed up. We were immediately even better and just killed the Cavs two years in a row. There's literally no stress. It was like, it's funny that we took him from the giant. He went to Penn State. He seems like a really good dude. He is both the best player on the team, but is also like

it's these other guys' things. So I'm not trying to like be in everybody's face. Like, he definitely seems like one of Jalen Hertz's dudes. Like whenever like, because one of the odd things about Jalen is like he's just never interacting with the rest of the team and even after the game that was so strange. I think he's just like, he is like.

Is he a tough hang? He's the toughest hang of all. different in the way where most people are like, oh, built different, like, that's so cool. It's like, he's just built different. Like, I don't know what's going on there. Like, the footage of him at Disney World today is very strange. Oh, really?

I haven't seen it. It just looks like it's in the Truman show. There's like 19 people screaming E-A-G-L-E-S and Jalen Hurts on a float. He's Kauai Leonard. You know, you just have to embrace it. He's kind of like, yeah. The rest of the team does their thing,

and then there's Kauai. Yeah. But, yeah, the Seekwan thing, doesn't make any sense to me. I still don't even know if I've processed it. It is kind of like an NBA signing where everyone's like, oh, he's signed it. Frankly, NFL for agencies never like that. No.

And then Sequin, it really is, like, because I've talked to him a little bit about Kobe. And it's just, he's a huge Kobe guy. And this was my thing with the Giants. You talk to Sequin Barclay about Kobe? Yeah, he's obsessed with Kobe. It's the only time in my entire life, you get like an athlete and you're like, you have five minutes.

And he's like, can I talk for 15? Because he's like a true. He's like the way Kai loves Kobe. Like, he's obsessed with Kobe Bryant. And like, the whole, it's the whole, Bill talks about this, the Jeff Van Gundy rule. Your best player should set a culture of intolerance for anything that gets in the way of winning. I think that's what Sequin brought.

That's what he brought to the Giants. That's what the Giants players all complained about they didn't have this year. And that's what he got. Sequan, to your point, was the bridge between J.L. Hertz and the locker room. Seems like it. And that's everything that Braden Graham was saying in that pod that got him in trouble where he just came out and said, yeah, Hertz and A.J. Brown's mad and being dramatic, but Hertz needs to learn to talk to the team.

Yeah. And Seekwan was like, he almost became the Hertz translator in the locker room. Everyone loves him. And I'm like, dude, fuck, I don't get him. battle over again. I'm happy for Sequin the Giants didn't deserve him, but like, oh my God. This season was such a disaster for Giants that it's the first time. Wasn't this time an NFL owner looked good. John Mara being like, I don't know.

I'm going to get real mad if he goes to the Eagles. That's how bad the season was, was that the Giants are back in on John Mara. Sorry, I'm losing my mind. Honestly, congrats. Like, whatever. I don't even care about football anymore. What did you think about Mahomes wearing an Eagles green suit to the game? I didn't even notice he did that. Oh, really? you didn't see that. A little bit of humorous.

And Devonthe Smith has what she's red. Did he really? He was wearing the, did you, we're talking about his cleats or just like? No, the suit. No, like in the walk in the suit. I didn't remember. When did NFL entry outfits become the thing? Has that been, is it been a couple of years old? I think 2014 is actually, I swear. Oh, okay. Why? Because NBA players started to do it and the NFL players are jealous because they're not as tall so they couldn't play in the NFL.

All NFL just wanted to be in the NBA and ended up in the NFL. I just never, I never remembered it being such like a big significant thing. Oh, interesting. He's straight up. I'm showing Chris the photo of Mahomes' green suit. It's green. Also, so like just talking about bad omens is the whole like the chiefs negotiating with Pat Riley for the three Pete copyright is just. Wait, what?

Yeah. This is apparently like they were doing already, we're like talking to Riley about like, well, what is it? Because Pat Riley has copyrighted three Pete apparently. What? And so I guess. Which is also just like the wildest fact. The chiefs were like already getting involved with like what do you need for us to be able to make, like three peep merch.

And the Eagles found out about it. And we're like, we're going to shove that. Do you know that's full circle to the Andy Reid Patriot Super Bowl? Because that's the night before the page 05, right, the Trail Owens game with McDam. The night before Belichick found that the Philly Inquirer had published the parade route in the newspaper and paraded it. And paraded it the paper in front of the team. I was like, you see this shit? They already got the parade.

It's just so funny. I love these like bulletin board things because it's just like riling up. It would be impossible. If I was running a team, I would probably make CJ Gardner Johnson my spokesperson really and flood the zone Trump style with bulletin board material. There you go.

Like give them so much bulletin board material. They're distracted. That's really good. They have bulletin board material. It punctures you. That's very funny. We're in the bed and nails era, baby. But no, that's crazy.

But Pat Riley. Do you know that's actually what happened being my fantasy league. I had my home, my oldest league, I won back to back. I changed my name to three peep, the low way,

and put the low way in the Carter album, and then I came to last time to do a beer mile. You had to do a beer mile? Because I was hubris, the fantasy gods, they frown upon that. How was, we talked about this actually on the watch.

So this is a little bit of cross-posting, but I mentioned that you'd raw dog that flight. Oh, yeah. When I first arrived in Andy's yesterday, I was essentially unintentionally, but then intentionally raw dogging the game. Like I had no beer, no food, just water. And I was like sitting with my hands on the knee,

my knees just watching the screen. And then we were like, literally there's like a picture of puny. Like my head just goes slack. But I was like, this is, this should be a bit is the ball knower who just raw dogs football. And like if you're like, what was your favorite commercial?

I don't watch them. I didn't watch them. And I was talking about. like during half time skip Kendrick just to watch all 22 I think about ways to improve dude that's actually that's great because it is actually really hard to watch anything without

scrolling on your phone now yeah I feel like it's not me and not playoff vehicles I can just be like I will literally watch a T-Mobile commercial I want to live on Twitter and Blue Sky or whatever when I'm on these games it's like the interaction it's like a impulse oh yeah a DK is trying to make

the thing we're Instead of tweeting of skeeting. Okay. Nobody has embraced it. A lot of people have embraced it, Craig. I don't know if you read any of the replies. I haven't read any of the skeets. We're more interested in the reskete, the refratory period.

Yeah. How long is it? They should actually add that. That would be funny. You can only re-skete something like every 15 minutes. Do you think that the reason why when there's like a beat down like this, which is, it's been a little while since we had something like that.

It was Bucks Cheats, but that one was interesting, and then Broncos Seawks was a blow. Mahomes didn't even score a touchdown in that Bucs. No, that one was crazy. Which he effectively didn't in this game either. No, no. None of them mattered. No.

Three times as many points in this one, and Mahomes played three times better in the other game. It just feels like this, and this might just be like, like, agitated Philadelphia talking, but they, like, there's more coverage of, like, what next for the Chiefs, rather than like, we got it all wrong.

The Eagles were the best team in the league the whole year. Do you think that's because it was a beatdown and it's more interesting to talk about the chiefs and where do they go from here than it is like, oh, I guess maybe there's a new like superpower in the NFL. We talked about in New Orleans leading up to the game about how good the roster was. And we were like, is this really one of the all-time rosters

of the 21st century that nobody is discussing? And the homes just blanketed all of that because of the three-beat. So yeah, I mean, I definitely think that Mahomes is commanding the media narrative way more. But I really do feel like I almost wish the Eagles were playing a different team because they would have gotten the credit they deserved. And Rosman, hopefully this week will get a lot more. But like, this is maybe the best all 22 roster we've seen of the 21st percent.

It's such an amazing piece of team building. It's unbelievable. And I know, because it's almost like a cliche to talk about how good job Harry Roseman is. When I look at this team, my running bit for years was that I'll never get over in the Niners championship game a few years ago when like your backup right guard was like who was that kid like a left tackle you drafted in the first round.

I'll never get over that Devonthe Smith when a Heisman is your number two receiver. But like I look at your team and it's just a collection of one third picks that everyone was like, why is this guy falling in you portrayed it up for of like the Cooper de Jeans? The Nolan Smith's.

It's one third developmental moon shots that you hit like Jason Kelsey's sixth rounder, Jordan Mila, who had never played football before and Jeff Stoutland just made him like a top six right tackle, like Zach Bond, taking nothing and making something. And then one third stealing Chauncy Gardner Johnson, stealing Darius Slay, obviously Seyquin,

but then other ones you don't think about really. Honestly, also in terms of team building, sticking with Siriani, which is another thing that I feel like I'm checkmated on. That's actually a good call. Like, what does Siriani do, like, win, I guess. Like, I, I don't, he doesn't necessarily have the Tomlin Harbaugh culture guy thing because I think everybody's like,

oh, he shows videos to like, you know, shows like a scene from Gladiator and walks out in the meeting room. It's like his substitute teacher. It puts on a movie. It's a joke where I was like when he started crying in the last Super Bowl against the chief, when he started crying during the Stapleton National Anthem, I was like, dude, this is too intense. Got an ink. Yeah.

Like he's like peaking too early here. And I was like noticing that like he seemed very cool during the national anthem in New Orleans. And I was like, he's ready. Like I feel like he learned and like he knows how to pace him. this week. He knows how to like get them ready and get everybody in the right headspace. It's just weird because I think the reason also maybe why there's more discussion about the Chiefs and the Eagles is like the Eagles roster and their chemistry. I don't know if we've seen this much dysfunction be so productive. And it's so weird that the coach and the quarterback,

you're still kind of like, eh. Yeah, he's like they took a straight jacket off me. It's like that was the NFC championship. It's just really still talking about this. Like, winning the Super Bowl and maybe being the best team we've seen in a long time and the coach couldn't hire his own coordinators and nobody on the team likes the quarterback. Yeah. It's just one of the most bizarre concoctions. Like, I don't even know if the team has good chemistry,

but it's like a roster is so good that it doesn't matter. Can I give an overreaction? That sounds like a hot take, but I'm right. Okay. It was pretty brutal as a Giants fan this morning to realize that Eli Manning will not make the Hall of Fame but seven of these Eagles will, including Nick Seriani. Syriani.

Syriani. Oh God. Julian Hurts going to be a Hall of Famer. Sequin's going to be a Hall of Famer. Julian Carter is going to be a Hall of Famer. One of the cornerbacks is going to be a Hall of Famer. Lane Johnson is going to be a Hall of Fame. Like if they win one more Super Bowl,

it's like when you win two Super Bowls, you made a third, those teams get like six guys in. Siriani wins two Super Bowls. He's going to get in. Like if John, Nick Seriani keeps the top six winning percentage and I'm like, and Eli's not going to make it. And that was really humbling.

So do you want it to be a more open Hall of Fame or a more closed Hall of Fame? What's your issue here? I've decided that like, whenever gets Eli in. No, I've decided that, like, honestly, Eli doesn't need it. Like, I saw his face on the top of the biggest building in New Orleans. I'm like, does this guy need, like, a gold jacket? Well, they really, those are like, seriously, like, the only good content on the internet is guys finding out they made the Hall of Fame. And people trying to climb the Chris go.

Because when they, like, come home and, like, you know, Roger Craig is in their basement. You know, and they're like, oh, my God. Six-foot-10 guy used to, like, shake your hand. Craig, though, I, I, when you say that, when you say that, when you're talking about that, again, I don't want to bring everything back to that 2013 Seahawks game, but they were they walked on like the edge of a knife, or I don't even know if that's an expression, but it was

they were like on a knife's edge. Yeah, the defense didn't like Russell Wilson. Everybody fucking hated everybody. Wow, it, wow, and it hurts is the new rush. It was like they, they happened to, it was, I don't know exactly how to put it, but they basically were able to keep everything together despite having

just the most insane collection of personality, like big alpha personalities. There was Percy Harvin, Golden Tate, Marshawn Lynch, Richard Sherman, Michael Bennett, Russell Wilson, Doug Baldwin, Cliff Avril, and like everyone had their own sort of

thing, their whole like agenda or whatever. Who is the O.C. on that team? Daryl Beville? Damn, Beville. Because Ben Bevel had the he called the pass player. He called it. I don't know if he called it. Speaking of coordinator, so now it looks like we're going to get to this later in the show. It looks like

Kellan Moore is going to be the head coach of the same. Good for him, man. Is Howie Roseman going to let Nick Siriani pick his own coordinator this time? No. I think that, well, I just, there's another argument. There's a third way to look at that, which is, it might just be Nick Siriani's offense, more or less. Or it's Jalen Hurts's offense. It's exactly.

It's the Jalen Hurts. Yeah, it's the Jalen hurts. I don't know if they're going to promote from within or try to bring somebody from outside, but I don't think it'll look drastically different. And that's the thing about this Eagles team is like, I don't really. think that they are not exotic. Like, they do not throw crazy looks. Like, they basically run, like, three plays on offense.

I more or less think that most defenses can tell what's coming. It's like, run the ball, screams to Dallas Goddard, sideline shots to Devonter. I know we're beating the student. If you know what other team was like that, we're going to line up and kick your ass, Seulks' defense. The Eagles offense is a lot like that where the Eagles offense is like, we're going to do push. It doesn't matter. Like, Seelks just played cover three.

And it was like, hey, everybody's better than you. Yeah, Keon, Sequin, like, Jaylon will get, like, design runs. It's just crazy. And we haven't talked about this enough. The coordinator of the Eagles is Jeff Stoutland. The Just Outland, you know, again, the... It's like one of the most important people in that building. One of my favorite memes is that, like, people worry about, like, nuclear catastrophe,

but the actual problem in the world is if Microsoft Excel goes down, the entire economy will collapse because of the amount of things that are just based on some, like, auto-updating Microsoft Excel. If Stalland goes out, yeah. The entire, like, entire fortune... He's like, what was that Skarnakia? Was that the... Yeah, Dante Scarnacki with the Patriots, everything. And it's like, if the entire Eagles organization hinges on Jeff Stoutland developing,

the best offensive line in the NFL with very little resources relatively speaking and like he's the guy designing the offense to give him whatever smoothie Tom Moore has where it's just like at 92 he's still like they're like the run game designer talk to that Brian Johnson guy oh the guy's got his own kid as a blood bag

yeah dude did you see that they're like measuring the length of their or not the length the duration of their boners at night I didn't see that oh yeah Ryan Johnson guy oh yeah he has a he's comparing it to his son His son is having a little bit longer boners.

Yeah, a couple minutes longer in length or duration? Duration. I don't know who has a larger dick, but I think maybe that actually has something to do with it because there's more blood. See, this is just the anti-Eagles agenda. Again, we're not talking about the birds. No, get Brian Johnson on the staff. Howard Grossman. Brian Johnson was on the staff.

There's a different one Brian Johnson was literally the blood coordinator. There's a Brian Jordan. He was with an eye. Brian Johnson with a Y is his Silicon Valley entrepreneur is never going to die in testing his theories on his son. and it's not working. Yeah. We need to get that guy in here for Stalin.

Wow. Brian, that's crazy. They were two Brian Johnson's. Chris, last question for you here. Unless if you guys have any other duration.

Do you guys think I'm happy enough? I was, okay, that's actually what I was kind of going for. What a great question? Here's my, you seem like weirdly mellow.

What's up? Well, it's been a long work day. You're like, what now? No, you see, to me you seem at peace. You seem tranquil.

It's satisfaction. Yeah. It's peace and satisfaction. But you know what it is? It's like the, the two million texts sent over the last 12 months don't seem like they don't, I don't know if it was like worth it. Like it's not worth it.

It was, but like when you think about the mental energy, you're like, it should be more than this. This is like when Aaron Rogers won the title and was like, I'm still not happy. Yeah. So you're basically like you. You need more in life. Literally my question, and I mean this,

and this is going to sound like a joke, but I mean this. Do you think Philadelphia sports fans can be happy when they're kind of not going to be angry about. I do think that this is like an isolation thing. I think that this is, if I was in Philadelphia, like I would have had day off,

I would have been like walking around hugging strangers. Like I would have been out late last night. He's out there riding dirt bikes. What happens in the afterglow of this to Philly? Basically, I feel like so much, it's a bit, but it's true. The Philly sports subculture is anger at literally everything that is not winning a title. It's like everybody, nobody believes in us.

Like we're like the underdogs all the time. So what becomes of this now? Does this change, how does this, like, winning a title and being basically, you're going to be the Super Bowl favorite? Like, what is the-We're not the Super Bowl favorite? You see, like, we're, like, fourth in the A-S-Pen power rankings. What? The Ravens are ahead of them.

I think Fandle has you and the Chiefs are tied. No, the Ravens were ahead of them. I was just basing it off of, like, ESPN's power rankings. Oh, okay. What happens to us? I don't, like, I'm definitely not like, we got to go back to back. Like, I, like, it starts all over again. It starts all over again with, like, I don't know, Jaylen hurts.

It seems to be, uh, doesn't seem to be picking up this new offense. It's interesting he's talking about the 2000 tattoo sent during the season. Was it worth it? I kind of think there's two types of ways to be a fan. And I'm unfortunately the pessimistic type where I'm like, sad, sad, sad, sad, pessimistic, pessimistic. And then they win and I'm like, oh my God, and now I'm going to jump through

plate glass window or oh my God, like, I guess that's just how happiness feels. Closer to that? But I always... The Kurt Cousins' winnings just relief you to lose? Are you saying you wished you could be that kind of like blindly optimistic type where every game, Eagles fans show up no matter who they're playing, no matter what the spread is,

and we're going to win. Modern sports fandom is not, it's not like, it's not like, 1953 where we're like, gosh, I hope the Giants win. It's like, it's like,

I'm fucking reading 19 beat writers and 37 Twitter accounts and listening to six hours of podcasts. But the key is to be just one of those dudes, the face painters who show up no matter the weather, and they're just like,

fuck yeah, the Eagles are the best team in the league. Those guys are also mentally ill, though. Those guys are also angry. They just express it through face paint rather than texting, I think. I'm just always so impressed when it's like a team is down 10 in the fourth and it cuts to a fan at the game.

And they are so like, we still got this. I love my team. That could never be me. I was still sitting there like the third quarter being like, you know, this is right around when Tom Brady turned it around. So it would be really embarrassing if they lose. It's a shame that the 283 thing happened because now you can't be happy with anything. You can't enjoy anything. It's true.

It was 27-0 and everybody was like, well. Yeah. Do they have enough? No, even the chiefs were like, it's over. Like, we're not coming back. And Brady's still like, well, this is kind of what I did. Oh, my God. Chris, thank you so much for coming me. Any other parting words? Anything else you want to say draft show? I think we officially went draft show now that, you know, Chris came in.

Any other parting words? If Howie gets Abdul Carter, like, can you stop? Like what would happen to the future of the league? If Abdul Carter, Eli Manning's himself to, Philly. I'm going to give the Eagles a good grade. And then a lot of people are going to be like, stop glazing how hell is me. You idiot. Asholes.

Just say, you say so good every time. I'm sick of it. Stop glazier. And then we can have a Penn State shotgun off between Sequin Barclay and Abdul. For the throat goat belt. I don't think anyone could beat him. I think he's the number one player. No, sorry.

Now we're keeping it. Sorry. I said that's your Reagan. I thought for a second I was like some NBA reference I didn't understand. I got that one. I got that one. We're going to go through a bunch of news

that happened around the Super Bowl that was, I don't know how to talk about like Debo Samuel wanting a trade right around the Super Bowl. So we kind of just took all the news that's happened in the few days. We're going to talk about it right now. Started with Kellyn Moore. Kellyn Moore has taken the head coaching job

of the New Orleans Saints. Kellyn Moore, offensive coordinator for the Philadelphia Eagles. per Adam Schaefter. Also per me, because I saw him talking to an unnamed national reporter. I will not mention a media night. And the reporter was like,

how are you doing? And Kellamore was like, what a week. Am I right? And was like, they were like doing that locked eye contact. It's Wednesday. I know.

So yeah, Kellermore is going to be the Saints head coach. D.K., did you, you spend Super Bowl week in New Orleans. Can you imagine spending Super Bowl week in New Orleans and being like,

I'm never going to leave. Yeah, that would be tough. I think the food thing is hard because the food is delicious, but it's also very buttery, very rich. He's going to gain like 30 pounds. Zion's been saying this for five years. I mean, add in the stress of being a head coach, which already ages you faster than normal.

And he might look bad by the end of next year. If Zion had gone to Portland or somewhere that, you know, there's more like vegan options. I think Zion would probably be the MVP conversation. So it's like six or seven days to get a salad. Like we didn't have a salad until like day six. I'm taking the headphones off. I've decided.

Can we do that? Yeah, of course you can. Why do we have our headphones on? Just so you could hear each other, kind of like you can hear it in your ears. I don't like that. This is way better. I hate having headphones on. Okay, good.

I almost told them to turn it down. Put those down so nobody can see them. We're keeping them. We're keeping it. Yeah, we're keeping it. Yeah, we're keeping it down. Oh, my God. Jeez, calm the fuck down.

That was a normal response. I don't know. I picked them up and then you goes, oh, you go, you're down. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Everyone just take it down and out.

Don't you feel better, though, without headphones on? Yeah, I really never listen to my own voice in our ears during the show. It's ridiculous to me. Hyphus was a little bit loud in my ears anyway. Okay, so your Kellynne Moore question was about, is he going to be able to maintain his weight in New Orleans? Yeah. Should we talk about the Saints?

Or you want to talk about weight in New Orleans? My initial read on this is I'm like, is Kellyn Moore as hot of a coordinator as we think he is? Or was he just on the Eagles and they kind of ran the same offense they always run with Jalen Hertz when they went to the Super Bowl two years ago without killing more. And they also just got Sequin Barclay and have the best offensive line in the league.

I mean, last year he was the Chargers. I would say that was fine. And then he had some good years in Dallas. Part of me, he's like, this is going to be tough for him in New Orleans, and I don't know about this. I think clearly what you just said, where there's a reason he took the job

that was why they considered probably the worst one in the league. I think that, like, the Raiders and the Saints are the two lower ones. But I think as Tom Brady built a more and more serious operation and Brady was more involved, I think the Raiders job was way better than the Saints. Yeah. Like the Saints, I mean, the Saints are like an, the only own team where the cat matters.

And I think there's a, to your point, I don't think other teams are banging down the door to get Kellan Moore. It's like, hey, look what you did with the best roster in the NFL that, to your point, looks similar to it did two years ago. It's a smart move by him. It's a weird team. To go to the best roster in the NFL and have a great season. But do you guys think in general going to a new team as a head coach? I guess look at it from the team's perspective. If you're not a good team, like the Saints, and you need a lot of help and you're kind of starting from zero,

Would you rather bring in a culture guy, like a Dan Campbell to the lion starting from the ground up? Or do you bring in the guru immediately? To me, like the offensive, not necessarily a culture guy, more of the offensive focus, schematic, that type of dude, starting at ground zero. To me, it feels harder than getting the culture guy at ground zero. It's like a little bit like dropping a good running back into a good offense, you know, that will accelerate it or whatever. But right now they just need to like build the house from the foundation up. Well, and there's like a pause on construction materials because it's like if you look at this, team, they can't acquire new players.

Like, the Saints literally have to rest- they have to alter every veteran contract on the team just to get cap-compliant to sign the draft class. They literally have to change either cut or restructure every veteran contract. So, like, guys like Ryan Ramsey, Jamal Williams, they're so cut, it's not

even funny. But there are other guys, like, the Cedric Wilson's of the world where this isn't literally true, but it's the easiest way to understand it. It's almost like they're in debt to their own players, which isn't actually true, but functionally speaking, it's like a lone shark. You're like, I owe you $18 million dollars, Taysam Hill. And you're like, I don't have it

right now, Tassam him. And it's like, all right, well, you can give me a little less if you give me more later. And you're like, okay, we'll do that. And they don't actually a loan shark to Tateaill, but frankly speaking, they basically owe, they have that dynamic with like 14 veteran players. Even Cedric Wilson is like, they got a loan shark thing going on. So that's like they either have to

keep Derek Carr for 50 million bucks next year, or you have to find someone to take Derek Carr on like a $30 million salary. So they just over and over. So Kellan Moore, like what he does this, it's like if you negotiate your coaching deal to have like this long runway where they acknowledge that this is a problem, that's kind of cool. If the saints kind of pretend that this isn't a problem,

they're like, what do you mean? Are you scared to compete? And he's like, no, you're right. I'm going to do a great job with this five and 12 team where we can't add new players and suddenly you're kind of the fall guy. It's just a really weird team to take over. And I can't tell if Kellyn Moore's underrated or overrated. He's younger than you think. He's 36 years old. He's been He's been calling plays in the NFL since he was like 30? That actually makes me feel better because, I remember him vividly in college at Boise State, and I'm happy he's not like 41.

He's been calling plays since 2019. So literally he was 30 years old when he started calling plays in the NFL. Was he calling plays in Dallas? Well, I'm not sure, actually. It says offensive coordinator, but I don't remember. McCarthy took over from at some point. That was like a whole thing. It's why I get fired.

Yeah. So. I think to me this is a saintie move because they basically are, I kind of feel like they're a little bit like the mariners of football where they're just happy being competitive. They don't necessarily want to tear it all down and make the roster like a Super Bowl roster. They think they can do it their way and be competitive every year, even though there's like massive holes and obviously cap issues. Those people who just live in constant credit card debt. Yeah. So I think he is the type of guy that can help them compete. And I don't know if there's any realistic goal to do anything other than that. With the Onion,

literally ran a headline yesterday and says, local man outsmarts bank by paying credit card bill with other credit card. Outsmart's fake. It's literally what the Saints have done for like 10 years. Other stuff that happened during the Super Bowl, this one was a little news dumpy. So Aaron Rogers, Adam Schaftery has been reported that Aaron Rogers unlikely remain on the Jets in 2025.

And then... Craig's dream is shattered. Yeah, I know, Craig's dream is shattered. So Rich Samedi and Edie has emerged. Well, we'll get to that. Rich Samedity ESPN wrote this. So Aaron Rogers basically Net with the net met with the new head coach, Aaron Glenn of the New York Jets and the new Jets general manager, who I will learn to say his name at some point.

Darren Mugi, Mugi, I'll learn that. Last week, and then Aaron Rogers was basically told, thanks, but no thanks. And so, first of all, I just want to linger. Rogers finishes his Jets career. Six wins, 12 losses, worse winning percentage than Sam Darnold, Zach Wilson, and Brett Farv as a jet's quarterback. Sean was right.

Sean was right. Tennessee was right. Did not go to plan. Everybody was fired. Everyone was fired middle of the season. Everyone involved was let go. Fired. The funniest part to me is that the best game Aaron Rogers played as a jet, like unambiguously,

was the last one in week 18. He threw like four touchdowns, and he finally him and Devons, actually looked incredible for a full game. And so cutting Rogers, the Jets are basically going to have $50 million in dead money, which again is just money they already paid Rogers in real life that they haven't reported to the salary cap yet. So I'll have to chop that up over two years. It's not the worst thing in the world.

Yeah. So you look at the Jets quarterback situation. Honestly, who cares to find someone? I'm more interested. where does Aaron Rogers go? And if you're Rogers and you look around at the teams, you're like, all right, Titans need someone, Browns need someone, Giants, Raiders, Saints, Steelers.

I'm like, if you're Rogers, you've got to want to go to the Raiders or the Steelers, right? I would say the Steelers are probably number one. They have to be. Easily. I mean, just in terms of roster, coaching stability, all that stuff, a team that's theoretically ready to compete

if you have a competent quarterback, which they kind of did for a portion of the year last year, and they managed to make the playoffs. If you're the Steelers, it's like, so we got rid of Russ to bring in Aaron Rogers for a year? Is Aaron Rogers better than Russell Wilson right now? Rogers is significantly better than Rogers. I think Roger Wilson is better than Russ.

That's true. You don't think Rogers is better than Russ? I don't think that he's like appreciably better. It's going to make a huge difference. I think he is. Did you just see anything that happened in New York this whole year? Well, yeah, but that was because he had unmitigated power and they catered to him.

But like if Tomlin brings him in and he doesn't get to, He doesn't have the options. The run game disappears with him because he can't move and he wants to run his offense where he's at the line making checks. The thriving Steelers run game disappears. Yeah, the flourishing Steelers. We have no running back. That's the only thing that they do well.

I guess. I would rather have Aaron, like realistically. Would you rather Aaron Rogers or Justin Fields? Rogers. Because you're going to have both. So that's the other thing that got reported is that basically the Steelers are also going to tell Russell Wilson and thanks, but no thanks. Jay Glazer reported that at Fox.

Jake Glazer is like it's plugged in as it gets. And so, yeah, Fields What, that Wilson's leaving? Yes. But here, put it this way. Put it this way. You're the Steelers. What's the whole criticism?

Maybe you can make the playoffs. Maybe you're competitive, but we're getting a little tired of this nine to 10 to 11 win seasons where you win in the wild. You make it to the wild-curd around and get blown out. Who's more likely to lead the Steelers on an unlikely defensive-oriented well-quarterbacked Super Bowl run? Aaron Rogers or Russell Wilson. There is zero question to me.

It's Aaron Rogers. I struggle to imagine Russell Wilson at 36 winning in the playoffs. It's because you don't have to imagine it. We already saw it. That's why it's easier to say Aaron Rogers. It's the mystery box. It's like, why not take Aaron Rogers? Because we literally already saw what happened to Russell Wilson.

So I agree with you. If it was Russ or Aaron Rogers, I would just pick Aaron Rogers. You just want something different. They were both terrible. What are we talking about? What are the Steelers going to do? Are we going to give Sam Darnold $40 million a year? I don't want to do that.

No, that's insane. I'd rather, but I really do want to see like an angry, more motivated Rogers where he doesn't get catered to every single whim he has, where they bring him Devante and they bring him Lazard, and they bring him everything. And I'm like, you actually have to, you know, you have to work. with these freaking people.

And I'm not saying it necessarily work. Also, don't forget the thing, again, how this gets done. Rogers beat Mike Tomlin in the Super Bowl. Like, I think that Mike Tomlin, like, he's going to remember that. Like, you prep for a whole Super Bowl against this guy. Like, he's seen what he can do. There's a level of respect that happens on defenses sometimes where, I don't know, part of me thinks Tomlin and frankly, I think there's been a humbling too in Pittsburgh

where they realize they do need to do something about quarterback. But they're going to bring Fields back and not Russ. Which, that's the other thing is if you bring Rogers in and Russ, Fields is the backup It's not like those are similar people. I don't know. There is a humbling in Pittsburgh, except they didn't make any changes and everyone's coming back,

all the coordinators, everything's not, nothing is changing. It was reported that Russell Wilson and Arthur Smith did not really get along. Yeah, there was stuff about audibles and that basically Arthur Smith.

Russell was doing his own stuff at the line and Arthur Smith was like, run the fucking plays, I call. And then the offense got a lot worse. And you think that's going to get easier with Aaron Rogers, though? No, but it's kind of like, do we like Aaron Rogers?

In what way? Exactly. Do we like Arthur? Smith, it's kind of like King Kong Godzilla. It's like, let them fight. Right. I don't think that's conducive to good stuff. The Steelers are in this funny zone where it's kind of, it's like the last year. It's like, if you had one year left to live, what would you do? And it's like, fuck it. They should sign Cooper Cup, get Aaron, get Aaron Rogers and just like

try to go 13 and 4 and see what happens. And then honestly, blow it all up the next year. T.J. Watt's going to be like 32. Maybe they get rid of Mike Tom and they move on and everything. Is he 31, T.J.1, T. He's 30 or 30 or 31? How old is he? Yeah, he's 30. He turns 31 on our toes. Are you right? Yeah, so it'll be 31 next year. They're in a weird spot where they have to win now anyway.

Sure, get Aaron Rogers, get Cooper Cup, go for T. Higgins. That's not going to happen. But you know what I mean? It's like the one-night stand season again, times two. Because it was kind of that last year, but now it's like, okay, actually the things are, there is no quarterback in sight. We have no options here. Let's do Aaron Rogers.

Let's bring in a receiver or two. Draft an offensive lineman. Try to win. And if it doesn't work, it's all over. Blow it up. And then, yeah, Jets fans are in the same situation. because the only quarterback's really in the Jets roster right now of significance. They have, I mean, they have Tyra Taylor, who's 35,

and they have Jordan Travis, who is not practically, he hasn't even taken really a snap since he broke his leg at Florida State. Like, he's not even played, like in a practice field. This feels like the most bleak quarterback offseason in a while. There are no options. No, there's nothing. Literally, you have to talk yourself into Rogers after, like, a historic flameout. He blow-torched the entire organization.

But he's better than Russ. The two best quarterbacks, quote-unquote, are Kurt Cousins in Aaron. Rogers, guys coming off torn Achilles in terrible seasons. And then you have Sam Darnold who had this one great year and then collapsed in the last game of the season in the playoffs. He was on our flight by the way. He was sitting coach. Yeah, he was

coached. Yeah, I respected. He was just coached in his girlfriend. Yeah. I was just on the phone with Jackie just like talking her before the flight and then he's just there and I was just like, oh, Sam Darnold. I didn't say that to his face. But it's like, what do you do? Also, wait, on that note, Darnold, got to tell you. Okay. Never would have thought he's an NFL quarterback, but I didn't see him.

You know what I mean? It's an NFL player. is not that big. If I walked by him, I kind of just thought he'd be bigger. I agree. Cam Hayward is the biggest human I've ever seen. Cam Hayward, you're like, that guy plays football.

His torso is like twice as wide is mine. It's crazy to think that three times as wide. People like Cam Hayward have to tackle people like Donald. I don't know how they survive. Yeah. It's unbelievable. Speaking of that, we saw Jake Browning. We met Jake Browning and interviewed him on our social channels.

Jake Browning and me same size. And Jake Browning got hot for like, Four weeks there. Yeah. Kind of. It's all confident. What is he? 28, I'm 30.

Give me a shot. Cleveland. Anyway. Never too late. Do you think being a bad quarterback is actually kind of easy? Being a bad quarterback is easy? Yeah. Because you're bad already?

So, like... I don't know. I'm just throwing it out. The bar's low. I don't know. I don't know what the question is, though. Is it easy for you to play basketball? No.

Okay. But you've got to be big. Yeah. So you're saying is being small and bad easy? not only know what I was okay anyway cool cool cool

where is Aaron Rogers gonna be next year I think he wants to go to the Raiders or Steelers but I kind of think if the Steelers are bringing back Justin Fields I kind of think they're gonna do

the Justin Fields thing which makes me think I think it's gonna be really hard for the Steelers front office to motivate everybody after what they said when the season ended to be like actually

we're just going to do Justin Fields again and I that's possible too because if it's not the Steelers Rooney was like we need to make changes because the thing about this way Let's say the Steelers don't do Rogers. I don't think... Russell Wilson's not going to the Raiders

because Jay Glazer also basically said, but Jay Glaser literally said and I quote, that ain't going to happen. So there's no Russ... That was my first instinct when you guys were talking about that too. I was like, I just don't see...

This is a big year for... Pete trying to do that. People not wanting to reunite with their former team. No, no one wants to reunite. No. So if you're Rogers, I actually think that the decision is

you either have to basically dump the NFL before it dumps you because Rogers could never stand have to retire because no one wanted him. He'll have to do it. Medi retired. Or he has to swallow his pride and play somewhere

where he doesn't get to be the starter because if you're the Titans and they get like Titans with Callahan. No way. No, Browns. And he clearly wants to play. I mean, he flew to New York

to meet with the Jets team. Exactly. He wanted to see if he could come back this year. So the question is, does Tom Brady and the Raiders bring Rogers in? But I really do think

they're going to do the Shadur thing. Which you don't think so, right? The Raiders? You don't think the Raiders are going to go out to Shudor. I'm just, and I don't necessarily not think they'll do it. I'm just a little bit reticent to buy into the idea that Pete coming back into the NFL is going to immediately hitch his wagon to a rookie quarterback in Seattle.

Not necessarily like totally different situations, obviously, but it always felt like he wanted to build the team around the quarterback. His whole philosophy is making the team as good as it possibly can, so then you drop a quarterback in there. They don't have to do anything. Basically, your job as the coach, your job as the GM is to make the quarterback's job as easy as possible. that a million times when he was with the Seahawks. And that means, you know, offensive line. Yeah, it takes time. So why would you draft a rookie right away when they're not set up that way?

But then what are you going to do? Would Pete Carl want Aaron Rogers then? Because if you think about Brady, Pete Carroll together, I'm like, Brady, I think would respect Rodgers. I can see that more realistically. I mean, obviously, I'm not predicting 100% that they won't take Shudor. But I just, from knowing Pete from the years in Seattle, I just think he will be more concerned with building the foundation of the roster before. drafting a rookie.

I kind of could see Aaron Rogers playing for the Raiders to start and Shadar actually sitting for a little bit because I actually wouldn't be shocked if Dion actually intrinsically understands the value of sitting early in the NFL as much as that sounds like maybe not. But I think actually Rogers

goes to the Raiders. I think he's going to be on the Steelers. Why not the Giants? Put your money where your mouth is, Hyfitts. Do you think he's... Would you rather have Rogers or Wilson on the Giants? Rogers. Okay.

There's more hope of Rogers. You can convince yourself more quickly. You can convince yourself. Why are we forgetting everything we saw this year so immediately? But I also, Russ played just as bad. There was some flashes. Roger, look, he could, he had a goddamn hell, Mary. He had the four minutes, like, he had the four minutes against the Jags,

so they scored like 14 points or whatever. Like, they had, like, they were, like, again, he came back from an Achilles at 40. And then by the end of the season, like, as Kirk was like bench unplayable, quietly, once the Jets were eliminated, Roger was kind of like, oh, him and Devonte, kind of, they kind of, they need. needed six weeks, but they looked fine. Like the Jets were just eliminated. I mean, if it's a package deal,

Devante and Rogers over Wilson alone, I would take that. I would take Devonte and Rogers to the Steelers right now. You do need to give both. Over Wilson, but straight up, I don't know if I would do that. I would probably take Rogers now, to be honest. It is funny, man, how turbulent the NFL is. When the Steelers were, what were they,

eight and two, nine and two at some point, there was like a whole Russ is going to resign, get a big extension of them. They looked great. And I think that's the answer to, question where the fact that the Steelers are like, no, we don't want them back for any amount of money. It's like, that's kind of crazy. Rogers got everyone fired.

No, I understand. I think, but to bring this all the way back to Craig's original point. Roger's not going to get Mike Tomlin fired, though. Exactly. Exactly. To bring it all back to the original point. The fact that we've been talking about Rogers and Russell Wilson, and again, really the best player out there is probably Kirk Cousins for $1 million because he's going to be paid by the Falcons. It really just speaks to how desperate the teams who need a quarterback are in a pretty tough year for free agents and a pretty tough draft.

It is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. And it's just selling hope and peddling hope. And don't forget, that's the other thing. Don't forget how owners think of this, which is you've got to sell tickets. You need people on the tickets. When you buy the game, they actually still have physical tickets now. Who's the picture on the ticket? This is what John Mayer was talking about when he said, he didn't say,

Sequins are a best player in that video. What did you say? Sequence are the most popular player. Who's on the tickets? Who's on the promotional material? And it's Aaron Rogers is a much better person to sell tickets. even now than Kirk Cousins or necessarily. So they do have to sell the personal seat licenses.

How quickly does the greater NFL media at large convince themselves that Rogers to the Steelers could work? If Devante goes with him instantaneously. Like Monday morning is it like we actually kind of like this for Pittsburgh? This is a smart decision. It's a one-year experiment and they have the roster to do it right now. Patch up the offensive line and let's go. I think it's 9.02 a.m.

if it's with Devante. Yeah. I mean, judging by this conversation, yeah. Because we are the greater. I'm highly skeptical, but, you know, that's fine. So what team do you think is on? I'm saying Steelers. I'm saying Giants just out of pure aspirations.

No, he just hates me. He's not going to the Giants. Yeah, Giants. Okay. He hates me. I like that out of you. Who would you say otherwise? Otherwise, what?

Because the Giants, they want to do is... He said the Giants. He thinks there's going to be the Giants. You're just saying that's upset me. Titans? I could see Titans. God, can you imagine? I can see the Titans.

I think Titans makes sense. I mean, they're going to take Abdul Carter with the first pick. Like, who the fuck is their quarterback? Aaron Rogers, and then Rogers can ignore Will Levis for a year. And Will Levis can just hang out. He might be right. Will Lettis will be doing ayahuasca by the end of next season if Rogers is on the two. Dude, can you imagine Rogers and Levis?

There will be a season two of the Rogers Dock and Levis will be with him on his retreat. And then do you think Rogers, Rogers tries mayonnaise? and we'll love us to Zayahuasca. Rogers comes in as like, you ever done any reading about 9-11? You ever, you ever, you ever,

you ever, you ever, you should look into that. Look into that, pal. I got one thing and one thing only to say to you, do your research. Don't actually do your own research on that.

Because it'll open your mind. Dibo Samuel, you don't even want to know, pal. You don't want to know what I know. Dbo Samuel. 49ers have granted Debo Samuel permission to seek a trade

per ESPN. So Debo asked for a trade at the end of the season because he had the worst season in five years. He's asked for a trade on it. The Niners and Debo have both kind of been like the should we keep doing this thing for like a couple years and everyone kind of... They're staying together for the kids. Yeah. Now they've moved out. Basically the Niners, like Debo is

just... Sorry, that's a terrible analogy. Debo is just the odd man out. Like the Niners literally paid Christian McCaffrey. They paid George Kittle. They paid Brandon Ayuk before he got hurt. They paid Trent Williams. They paid Nick. Bosa, they pit Fred Warner, and the owner of the 49ers said this week, they will do anything. They will pay Brock Party. Dbo's just the guy.

Frankly, I think it makes sense. Like, Debo Samuel's play style does not seem like it will age well. The guy he just, like, runs as hard as he can into other people and rocks people and also was like kind of always hurt a little bit. So, I mean, it makes sense. Niners' perspective, it's like between Brina Auk with the ACL tear. It's like Ricky Pairsoll and Joanne Jennings and I guess Jacob Cowing are their top three receivers next year until Aute comes back from this injury, which who knows when he's actually.

going to be back. Juan Jennings is going to be one of the best fantasy picks of this off season. I know. That's actually where we place him. I love John Jr. He will be underrated, yeah. So, I mean, and he got hurt too, but I mean, he was pretty, and again, Ricky Purcell, I think is going to be pretty amazing this year.

So, but from the Debo perspective, I'm kind of curious. It's weird that, like, you know, we just saw Mark Cooper and Hopkins get traded and not really have huge impacts on those teams. Cooper Cup, I think, is closer to those guys. Before we could talk where Debo would go, gut check. is Debo still is Debo washed or not? It doesn't have to be like prime Debo

but is Debo washed kind of like how Hopkins and Cooper Cup might be washed or do you think that Debo actually could recapture 80% He's 29 years old which is funny because I feel like he went from 26 to 29

every night. I think he feels more washed than still ready to be a big time performer. It's just hard he's like Russell Westbrook it's like Wow

you lose when you lose that like that violent athletic ability I like that com. You can't regain that. I like that comp because Debo has the rough similarities where it's kind of like A.J. Brown is thinking out when he doesn't get the ball. But A.G. Brown is still

A. A.G. Brown, honestly, is like the LeBron. Age Brown's like LeBron in the NFL where it's like he's just bigger and faster than everyone. It's only 26. Exactly. Debo, I actually think, there are two players I can tell, and they're similar, going into next season we hire on than everyone, and I don't care what anyone says, which is Jaden Reed and Debo Samuel.

For the same reason, I just think they weren't a fraction as healthy as people think. And everyone's like, oh, Chad and Reed, he's not playing for the Packers. and everyone was like, Debo, he's so, it's fat, like slow. And I'm like, Debo Samuel has... Who said he was fat? Who said Debo was fat? Yeah.

I would never say that about a man his size. So here's my thing. Debo had pneumonia in the middle of last season. Remember the nine years lied about every player on their injury report last year. I don't know how they were never punished. And Debo got fluid removed from his lungs like right during the middle.

He got pulled from a game. Went to the hospital. He pulled fluids from his lungs. D.K., you had pneumonia last year. Right. How long did it take you to... To get back to peak athletic form. To get back to you or to get back to how I'm doing now?

How long did it take for you to run a 4-540? Honestly, it was like over a month. That's what I'm saying. I couldn't do anything without feeling labor. Breathing was really tough. You feel tired. Having pneumonia fucking sucks. And that's like Debo when he had pneumonia.

And then people like they take him off the injury report. Like he didn't have pneumonia. I'm like, oh, he's healthy again. I'm like, the six weeks where Debo everyone was mad at him. I'm like, do you know how much harder it is to go from back to normal? to back to 100th percentile athleticism. The last three, four weeks of the season

he kind of looked better. And I'm like, you know what? The same way we're like, oh, year after the year after for an ACL, I'm like, Debo 29 post-demonium. I'm like, I do not view Debo as the Cooper Cup, Amori Cooper, Hopkins washed.

I'm not saying he's definitely going to be back to form. Obviously, he's all these other soft tissue injuries and other things he could have. But I'm like, if you put Debo Samuel on, oh no, I worked down the list. But I'm thinking like the Steelers could use someone like him. Dude, I'm, the Steelers, I am like a 75-year-old D'Evor Say who just moved to Boko-Ritone.

I will take anyone. Cooper Cupp, Dibah Samuel, Aaron Rogers, whoever wants to join the squad, Devonte Adams, we're available. The Giants. I think the Giants can use Debo if they're desperate to D'Bel feels like we don't make the playoffs. Like, I'm going to get fired. I think the Giants, but you know the team that actually... It's so funny if the Giants had Wanda, like, Little Debo and Big Dibbo.

Small D, yeah. Well, a lot of Wondale can be a man. Mini and Mega. But you know who else? You know the team I actually thought, if you believe what I believe where I'm like, Debo's good. This team was like, Webo.

Webo. Is that a company? No. It's not the Chinese. What's the chat? Like we, like we, Webo.

Is that the, what's the, what's the Chinese app that kind of does everything? Webo. It's not there. It's a five hundred time. W.

W.E. W.E.E.E.E.B.O. W. Weeebo. I was trying to think of what the, the. We little bow. I was like Deeble.

That sounds kind of small. Yeah. I was just trying to think of a way to make Dbo Samu sounds small. So I got with, I got with, Webo is good. Yeah, webo.

Oh, I get it now. It does sound like an app where you can like rent scooters to. No, you got to send it like Derry Girls. It does. Like dairy girls. Webo. I can't do an Irish accident.

Have you ever ridden one of those scooters? You know, like the Wien's? Like a bird? Dude, did you see Cam Jordan in Media Night? Oh my God. He was going to kill someone. Explain this. He was on, I don't know what the product was,

but it was one of those like big scooters. We're talking about Cam Jordan Saints' defensive linemen. And inside Radio Row, inside this convention center area. He was, whipping that thing around. He was probably going 30 miles an hour. Over 20 miles an hour and he went right by the doors and I was like, if someone would have been walking through

there would be deaths. To answer your question, I have ridden a bird many times. A bird? Is that what they're called? Bird scooter. That's one brand of them. Many times. Pretty fun. That was the dumbest. Those are the dumbest companies ever. It is, it's pretty dystopian when you're walking around and there's just like

a line of seven scooters just fallen over on the side of the sidewalk and like it's nobody's problem and that's how it's supposed to be. It's just, it's the whole, I have so many I like the little bike ones though. I forget the company that does those. City, but yeah, bikes are good. No, no, not that there's like a little electric like mini bikes that are really fun. The e-bikes or the mini-bikes? They're like little, what's the word for those little, like old people driving around?

Scooters? I guess they do, no, it's not a scooter. It's a, yeah, fuck. People drive them around? What do they call? The little, I think there's a letter Z in there. What is it? raise like a Vespa yeah yeah it's like a little Vespa yeah it's really fun actually

I like it more than the scooter because you don't have to stand up did you mean Europeans when you said all these people Craig the notorious sits pinkler doesn't like staying enough I like to travel whether I'm on a scooter or on the toilet

I like my toilets like I like my bikes seated anyway I think there's two types of people in the world the one type that will ride one of those electric scooters that are just laying around, and then the other type of person

who would just, like, never consider it. I won't let the entire group be behind before I ride the scooter. I ain't getting on one of those. Because you're afraid of it? I'm just not doing it. I'm not running there on traffic. Like, I'm not running that.

I would ride the scooters in the places where they're not, which is not around cars. I am not going to cross, like, I'm just not doing it. I'm not afraid to do it. My thing is more just like being a boomer where I'm like, I don't know,

I have to download an app or something. No, you know what? I don't know how that works. Here's why I won't ride it. I forgot why I won't ride them. You guys have completely done a reason. I will say, I don't want to do something new.

We were doing this fantasy ranking thing. I was like, can you put your names in a Google sheet? You're like, that sounds hard. And I was like, does it? That's absolutely not what happened, but that's fine.

So, but here's why I won't ride the scooters. Here's why I run the scooters. I forgot about this till right now. It's pretty fun. The boys buzzing on, on scooters, kind of cruising down Ocean Avenue. It's fun.

No argument, but my friend in L.A., who I will not name, was his first job in L.A. was he read, I won't name the company, but one of the three or four scooter companies. But he read confidential here. He read all the accident reports.

His job was literally to read the accident reports. And he would tell me about them of like what happens to people on the bikes. Right. And so all I got was all these stories of how people get injured on the bikes and what happens on the scooters. And I just was like, I'm not doing this. It's like if you talk to a doctor or a nurse or whatever, I think the first thing they'd say is like,

don't ride a motorcycle. Don't ride one of those scooters. Don't show on the road. Don't show helmet. You're whipping like 35 miles an hour in one of these scooters with no helmet. It's kind of fun though. It's kind of fun though. I kind of like it.

It's like the Daniel Tosh joke. It's impossible to be sad on a jet ski. That's good. So anyway, I think the team if Debo is still good, he should go to Washington. Oh, I kind of do like that, actually. Like if Debo is good. Imagine if Debo got like spurts of how good he was in San Francisco, not the whole time in 2021,

but spurts of that with Terry McLaurin being as good as he was, and they still have like there's a chaos or someone like with Jaden. That would be a crazy element to the offense. The screen game is a big part of their offense too, like throwing behind the line of scrimmage, getting, you know, getting guys out in space. I think what I was thinking about for Debo, if I'm getting, you know, serious for a second,

I think he needs to go to an offense that really knows how to utilize him. I don't think he's like a quote-unquote normal receiver typical receiver. He's very much a hybrid type of guy where you get him the ball in space and you let him do his thing. And that's why he was so great that one year in particular where he's an all pro in San Francisco.

I mean, he was basically a running back and a receiver. You know, they were utilizing him all over the field. And also when you watched him, he was just so explosive for his size. I don't know if he has that explosiveness anymore, but he's definitely still really versatile, you know, really comfortable with the ball in his hands.

I think that would be a good fit for him. I mean, the commanders brought in Eckler last year. I'm weirdly optimistic about it. And also, again, one of the reasons, this is an amazing year for Kingsbury, because again, Kingsbury, we kept joking about the Cliff Cliff and like, oh, like after Call Duty comes out, like it's not just Kyler, maybe it's Cliff where it's, you know, basically he has stuff and he doesn't really iterate enough during the season. And this year, whether it's Cliff being motivated, the Thailand trip, whatever drugs he did in Thailand, mixed with. Did he even go to Thailand? No, he did. Oh, yes, yeah.

No, he went. Oh, okay. And Sam. Byvitz was there. That was. No, shout out to Sam 40 at the Washington Post. God was actually talk about it. It was actually pretty vulnerable.

He was basically like, yeah, I was super sad and crushed. Like I felt like he failed. Is he just in Thailand by himself? For like a while in time, yeah. That's a tough scene. It's tough. And so. Look at him now.

Look at him now. But the other thing is they took Anthony Lynn, who was, you know, people make fun of him. He's a bad coach. He didn't do great as the Chargers head coach. But he's a good running back. He's the running backs coach for Washington. He's really overqualified.

And the marriage of Cliffs College stuff with the running scheme, they had a real offense. But anyway, with Debo, I do think that good Debo would be pretty magical there. So we'll see. I think you could probably get it for a fourth round day. Washington. Austin's saying that. was with his girlfriend.

Okay. Which is a much less... That's less depressing. It's a much better scene. That's true. That's quite the opposite, in fact. It's a great scene. Amazing scene.

Going to Thailand by yourself because you're sad is bad, is tough. Washington is probably... The chiefs are maybe there too. But Washington is a great destination for players who are like, eh, I got two years left. I want to go somewhere fun and they're good now.

I'll just go there. And they will say they have a chance to be Texans like this year where Washington's going to go from that last play schedule to like that second place schedule, so it's going to be harder. Having said that,

more importantly than X's and O's, can you tell the story about Cliff on Flying Coach that he literally said? They were... Speaking of the girlfriend. Yes, Cliff Kingsbury, they were... Same gal he took to Thailand?

I doubt it. I doubt it. Maybe. I'm not sure. Maybe. Your feet are all over the under this table. My feet are too much of us. I mean, playing footsie with me.

First, he shoves his shirt in my face at an Airbnb. He mounts me in bed, and now he's playing footsie with me out of the table. Now I kind of would kick him. Craig could not wait for us to leave Craig wants us out of here Craig's overdosed nonsense nonsense nonsense

the Cardinals were playing the Rams and Kingsbury and McVeigh are kind of buddies and a day before the game Kingsbury was texting Sean McVe to make sure that his Instagram model girlfriend could get tickets to the game and think about that

two head coaches The Cardinals won the game they made the playoffs It was the last game of the season So it's basically a playoff game for the carls. Think about two head coaches the day before they play, a very important game. One head coach to the other is like, hey, I just wanted to make sure. I'm kind of like doing a lot of prep for tomorrow. But number one on my list is, can my hot girlfriend get into the game, please?

Priorities. Priorities. Also, Austin says, I think it is the same girl because he sent a link to Klick-Kingsbury's current girlfriend who has 3.5 million followers on Instagram. Why does that mean it's the same girl? I was going to say if she had 3 million on Instagram followers, she could have gotten to the game herself. Austin pulled up that link fast. also that's fair it might be a different

Instagram I don't know why does that think more likely I don't know how I don't know how people get you know girlfriends these days

you know it's just apps check your DM what's the what's the app oh okay Raya famous people

that you can only date other famous people do you think we they don't waste time with the plebs right okay any other stuff

you don't talk about any of the news from the awesome that bookmarked you'll hear that ready speed dial also Carlos thinks Debo's a future dolphin

which actually could see a lot because he's with Mike McDaniel The last thing they need is another receiver Geez one more Deva receiver who's like gonna not run full speed when they're not getting the ball I think that would work

I'm kind of good to this What? Receiver's the last thing they need to worry about Why not? Because they need guards How about they get an offensive or defensive lines Why don't they get a left tackle back and it's a binary thing

They could do balls. Save your money and spend it on more important positions. Don't you have Tyree get wild? The commanders don't need any other players. They could only get Debo. I would say they need a receiver. They have Terry McClorn and no one else in a 35-year-old tight-end. They have Lominee Zakaos and Zach Ertz.

They have Luke McAfree and Zach Erz. Carlos, you really, you really like did that. You're saying that the dolphins could use a wide receiver is crazy. No, I'm not saying they could use a wide receiver. I think having Debo would be cool. Okay. We'll go post-Smith. We'll go post-Smith.

Oh, yeah. Kettle Black, buddy. Please. Very consistent. Sure. You're very consistently moving the goalposts, yes. Correct. Maybe you guys are like the parents that aren't getting divorced because I'm your child.

Maybe. Right. If I leave the show, you guys get divorced immediately. Am I holding this team? We got to keep this family together. I do love my parents, but I would like two Christmases, so. Okay, that's all we got. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig.

Thank you, Austin. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you. everyone for listening. Thank you, Chris Ryan. Thank you, Chris Ryan. See our heads out there. Thank you to all the CR heads who popped in.

Thank you to all the Philly people in downtown for giving people content. I have to say, I know I'm a Giants fan, but I really do actually enjoy all the YouTube videos with people and the Eagles. Like I like the woman in the ski mask for being sick ones, baby daddy. Like shout out of everyone. I love like just bedlam after a championship in a city. It's unbelievable. It's the best. Good word.

And like the other one was the Eagles. Oh, I meant to talk to Chris about this. The thing that got me was like, all right, the Eagles are kind of cool, was when the first Super Bowl, the Patriots Super Bowl, and they were all just singing dreams and nightmares in the locker room after, and I was like, that shit was so sick. So, yeah. Philly has a real, like, you don't get it mentality, which is cool.

Yeah. It's like you hate them, but you also kind of want to be one of them. Yeah. I'd love to be a part of an inside joke someday. Yeah. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, Blink 182.

Yeah. That concert was sick. Yeah. Did we talk about that? Not really. Friday night. There was a fandal party that was like a fandal Spotify party. And then Megan the Stallion played and then Blink 182 played

and Anderson Pack came out dressed as Prince. I've said that sentence before in the show. We did say it last night. But we didn't talk about the actual concert. The blink was pretty, blink was pretty sick. They were all great. They were all really cool.

We were like row eight. I mean, we were about 20 feet from them. It was pretty cool. Tom DeLong was openly drunk. Yeah. According to him. He doesn't look like a Tom. Okay.

Right? Maybe a Tommy. I think he kind of does. Like the other guy looks like. like a Tom. Yeah. What's his name again? It's Travis Barker, Tom DeLong,

and what's the other guy's name? He's the guy. I know his face. I looked it up the other day and I honestly did not. I never remember his name. I did not recognize the name. What?

Kai doesn't know. It's, uh, Mark Hoppice. I never remember that. He sounds like a character in Severance. Mark H. Yeah. He kind of sounds and looks like

he should be hosting like a show about science. The lead singer or the bassist? Yeah. Yeah. Doesn't it? He looks like the next Bill Nye or something. Yeah, he does.

Tom DeLong looks kind of like a rock star. Well, he's wearing a collared shirt. He came out wearing a Jared versus Rams jersey. That's pretty cool. That was cool. Apparently, he's a big Rams fan. DeLong was talking about like sleeping with people's wives, aliens. I mean, it was like he hadn't changed his comedic, you know, sort of repertoire since 2001.

Yeah, you could really feel the tension amongst the band members where they all kind of, they've clearly been through so much together. And they literally broke up. It's like when Hyphins and I get mad at each other. a little bit like that. And everyone's kind of like, that's a joke, right? Is that a funny? Is it a joke?

Long was like on some tirade and at one point Mark Hoppice was just like, I hate you so much. He literally was like, I asked you before the show how drunk you were and you said not that drunk and clearly. He was like, I didn't think I was at the time.

Yeah, they're headlining Coachella this year. What? Yeah. I think the, I think the tension is a bit though. I think they obviously do have their... They're headlining Coachella?

Or did they just headline Coachella? I think they already did. it. Was it last year? I don't know. I didn't go to Coachella. Oh, yeah. No, 2023. Oh, 2023 the headline. No, that's Google Gemini. It's wrong. Unbelievable.

I hate the fucking Google Gemini. No, remember we're back in. There's a great commercial. Oh, no, it's 2023. Google Gemini is right. We're back in on Gemini. Back in. Oh, yeah, we're going to have kids. Uh, okay. So I guess that was a little bit. Oh, it's Green Day this year. It's Green Day. Oh, Green Day? Oh, no. Is this like how

the insurance commercials? when it's our music, it means we're old. Like, if Green Day's playing, they think we're old enough to have nostalgia to pay to go see them again? Well, they always have a nostalgic act. I know, but we're old and I remember Green Day when I was young, so that means I'm old

because they think that we're now reached the lower bracket of nostalgia. That's like when Rage Against the Machine's headlining and I'm like, oh, that's for older people. Yeah. But now it's us. Green Day is the new Rage Against the Machine for us. Fuck.

That does suck. That sucks. Even Lady Gaga. Oh, is that a nostalgia play? It's close. She kind of kept being relevant, though. Did she want to ask her for that? When was the peak of Gaga, like late 2012?

2008 to 2012, probably, which is exactly when we were to high school. Whenever bad romance came out was like she was like everywhere. Although her new song rips. I'm a big Lady Gaga fan. I don't know if you guys know that. What's the new song? Abacadabra. Oh, that is good.

It's really good. That is good. They released the full music video at the Grammys. She still got it. What did you guys think of the Blink concert? Would you think of like the music? I didn't know as many songs as I thought. I thought I would be totally honest.

I thought I thought I was going to know like almost all them. They were all like sing-alongs. I feel like I just knew the final six. And that was it. Well, they saved all their most famous ones for the end. There's a great meme out there that I can't find, but I always think about it when I go to like concerts or live music events. And it's a man standing in a crowd at a concert. And the headline just says, man actively enjoying the concerts can't wait for it to be over.

And that's always how. I feel. I'm like, I'm having a great time and this is good and I'm happy I'm here, but I also can't wait for it to be over. Yeah. I felt that way too. Where I was like, oh, it's really cool that like making the stallions here and also. But then I'm also like, what are we doing when this ends?

Also how, like. But I also was like, this is awesome. I was not really that way. I was loving it. Also, like, I felt weird. How excited can I really be about making the stallion? I'm like, we're in front of coworkers, you know, she's kind of like, you know, doing some pretty promiscuous dance moves.

And I'm like, pretty promiscuous. It's like if I get excited, it's kind of weird. Think about the fact that it was like all Spotify. Like not all. It's entirely co-attest. It's like going to work and seeing someone just twerking. Honestly, it's on Spotify. Like,

here's a bunch of alcohol. Now go watch this person. It's weird. Twerk a lot. It's a weird bag of. It's entirely twerking. Yes. And then if you're not there,

it's like, well, they paid for you to watch her. It's like, I feel like I should be there. Yeah. It's awkward. The other,

the other awkward thing where I was like, I didn't partake. You know, obviously there's certain lines the blink one of the two that are like iconic. And I think one of the most iconic ones is the work sucks. I know. And then when he's like, work sucks and put the mic out

and everyone's like, I know. And I'm like, this is a work of them. It's fine. Yeah. They were making fun of how corporate the crowd was. That's true. It was a good joke. They also came out middle fingers to the crowd.

Do they do that all the time? They haven't given up their punk sensibilities since like 2001. This is like cool when you were 21 years old. You're at a punk, you know, show. All the people are either emo or just, you know, anti-establishment or whatever. Yeah. And this was the most establishment event. Then it's like just at a Spotify event, you know, it's very funny.

I will say, Tom DeLong, man, that guy's voice still incredible. He sounds like he's just. He sounds like he's 22 years old. I can't believe it is so crazy. Yeah. There was one song stay together for the kids where it's like, here's your holiday. And he like has to like scream the whole, like, chorus or whatever. And I was like, damn, that they've kind of.

kind of still got it. They still got it. Including, we were talking, how many, when he was like in half of the country, he's like, I'm much drunker than I thought. He's a literal rock star. How many beers? How many beers where you take a shot and then like, he was like, yeah, I didn't realize we weren't going on until 10 p.m.

So I started drinking six hours ago. Yeah. And things got away from me. I don't know. I think that was a little bit of a bit. I think it's really hard to play guitar when you're super drunk. Maybe people in a band can. Seems super earnest.

It was a bit. It was a good bit. I think it's a bit. No, dude, I think we're underestimating how fucked up rock stars get on stage. Well, that's true. I'm sure that's true. Also, I feel like... Angus Young from ACDC was like actively on heroin on stage.

A lot of times you hear about the guy got too drunk and then couldn't finish the set. Like, they played for like an hour and a half. An hour. No, they played for... Did they really? Yeah, it was like an hour and a half, I thought. I think it was an hour. 10 to 11. 15.

No, it was late. It went later. Is this good podcasting? The Fandle guy we spoke to said they booked him for an hour, but maybe they went over. They went over. DK's very passionate. He had to stopwatch out the whole time. He didn't want to leave.

The only reason I knew, well, I don't know it for sure, but I think, because I remember pulling out my phone and it was like, oh, they're, like, it's like 1130. They've been going for a long time. All right. All right. Cool. That's cool. This is really good.

I know what you mean with the concert. I want this to be over. Honestly, the oldest I felt, and I was coming to grips with turning 30 next month. And I've realized that I'm, I know cry about it. But like, in the moment, it's weird. I know the people who are 40 and 50 are like, go fuck yourself. But like, you know what? Anyway, I realized, I went to shout out Porter Robinson.

Went to this Porter Robinson concert to D.C. Like last year. What is it? Porter Robinson. He's like my favorite. Porter Robinson. Porter Robinson. He's like a DJ.

And my friend, because understandably, his shout out Lizzie Pete. She doesn't like crowds. We were like, all right, forget GA. Let's get seats up top in like the, you know, further away. We were sitting dead sober. And we were like, this is so much better than because. being fucked up in a crowd on your feet on a concrete floor. That's why I wanted it to be over.

I think it's the standing. Mm-hmm. I know that sounds so fucking lame. No, that's a hundred. I had a seat for Taylor Swift. It had a blast. Oh my God. I need to sit.

I need to sit. Yeah, it was great. This is Taylor Swift, too. It's four hours. Dude, that's 100% it. Yeah, we stood for like two hours at this thing on this, like, slab floor, and it was hard on the legs. Hard on the feet.

I'm like stretching between. My lower back is killing me. I'm doing that thing where I'm like standing on the sides of my feet. I'm doing one leg at a time, bending the knees. heel, and then my feet are flat. You go one leg, one foot, and then the other foot, and then back. And then I'm like, oh, yeah, right? Oh, small thing, the left foot.

Like, you know, redistribute the weight. Yeah. You guys sound like just a fucking barrel of laugh. What that said, we were having a block. You don't even think the same thing? Yeah, totally. My back hurt, like, the moment we got there. And then it was, you know, they just have to, like, grin and bear it.

What's that company that smartly, when they started collecting phones as a business, like yonder? Like, if you want to go to, it started with Dave Chappelle, but now, bunch of people do it where it's like you collect all the phones and they give it back to you like a coat check so you go to in the phone free environment and everyone's just same page I kind of want that for music like good music quality music but everyone's gonna sit no one can stand like like everyone's gonna sit because the problem is I disagree with that though because the problem is is the the act would hate it the artist would hate that the energy but if they're old they need to feed off that look if it's also like part of the part of the fun of

being at a concert I'm not I'm not trying to be in the mosh pit or something like that at this age. You can't have people sitting down for Travis Scott. But like being, well, I'm not saying, Travis Scott's not the person I'm thinking of with this.

Like the Rolling Stones? Like put it this way. My, my Jackie's, they should probably be sitting. Yeah, with the Genesis, everybody just sits.

Jackie's family went to see Genesis and Phil Collins, get out with a cane. Oh, dang. And I'm like, you know what? Why are we standing for this? Who was the sunny,

uh, I don't know, it was like the old school singer guy that they just like wheel out on stage now. Oh, Frankie Valley. I am upset. with what they do to Frankie Valley. That man must be deep in debt or something.

What is this guy? What is this guy? What is this guy? Franky Valley the Four Seasons was like a famous singer in the fucking 60s. And he still is performing today is a literal standing corpse on stage. He's literally not moving. No, his mouth actually like he looks like a Chucky Cheese animatronic doll. Like the madame's a wax figure.

It's like when the audio sink is off on your TV and he's just like doing this. It's crazy. You should look it up. That's actually amazing. People were actually legitimately concerned about him. It's not right. They're like, this is elder abuse. It is.

That's unbelievable. Yeah. Anyway, that's what we're looking for. We want that in a concert to be able to sit the whole time. I think you have to, I think there's something to be said about being at a concert in a crowd. I don't want to be moshing, but like the people kind of like a smoking section and not like a sitting section.

You know, it's like you start dancing and people start kind of jumping around or whatever. That's fun. Yeah. You feed off of it. The sitting section. is actually kind of smart. Yeah. Because then, yeah.

It's funny, though, because when I'm at a, if I'm, like, at a bar with a dance floor and a good DJ, I love standing up and, like, jumping up and down and all that stuff. I guess it's just maybe the length of the concert that, like, that gets you. But I'm less interested in doing that at a concert than I am in a bar. I don't know why. You're less interested in standing at a concert or standing? I'm less interested in standing. Like, if there's a DJ set at a bar, I'm happy to stand up for two hours, drink, jump up

and down the whole time. But if I'm at a concert, I'm like, I wish I could sit. You know? Well, it's because the floor is different. Just in what way? Concrete? Yeah. I guess.

It's like museums. It's like, museums got tile floors. It's like, dude, come on. Carpet section, I'm seeing every painting in that carpet section, man. You can't do carpet in a bar. Imagine that. No, that's gnarly. Jeez.

But like, even the, I don't know, the wood, there's give. I don't know, man. I don't like too hard floors. No. Cement floors, tile. like marble floors. Brutal. It's not good. No. I don't like it. I don't want it at my house or anywhere.

Just say it. It's hard on my joints. It's hard on my joints. You know, fucking hurts. Maybe you just shouldn't go to the concerts anymore. Maybe you aged out. This was my last one. Yeah. Well, it was a good one. Megan the Stallion was your last concert. Yeah. That'd be pretty cool to tell Calvin. I was like, Craig, this is a very good singer right here. She was actually awesome She was great

It was just funny It was funny that her version Of everyone was like looking around like What are I supposed to look at? It was funny that her version of toning it down sexually Was just doing everything the same But she wore jeans

And she was literally like You guys are lucky I wore pants today I would have brought this place Fucking down if I was choice I don't know if you guys know But some of the lyrics are provocative as well It was also the whitest crowd She's ever performed of it ever

It was like dudes in vests And Rolexes Yeah suits She looks at the VIP section with all the suits, which we were not in. And she says, I don't know if any of you all know who Tina Snow is. And I was like, none of them know who Tina Snow is. I said this to Craig. During her show, I was like, I'm so impressed with her ability to come out and just amp this crowd up.

Because, you know, you have to have a certain, I don't know what it is, like star quality. Do you want to go in with like no energy in the stadium? It was like, it was still filling up. Because she went on at 9 o'clock or something. So there was not everyone was at 830 She just was playing at 9 Which was crazy And then by the end

She had like the place rocking Yeah I was like she has that Genesei quad Like that star quality The stage presence You know Pretty impressive

Yeah it was pretty sick It's sick Anyway We appreciate her work Right As an artist She's good at her job Yeah

Desers every penny Can you do her Her little like sound that she does as a way to end the show. Wasn't it like, yeah or whack? I don't know what it was. You say wap? No.

Well, wap. We could get into that again. She was on that song. She was on the Wop song, yes. It was like, ha. Close. What is it? I don't want to do it.

Why not? I just really wanted you to do it. Trap me into doing something embarrassing? No, it's not like you could get in trouble or anything. I just was like, I just wanted to see you give it a shot. I don't remember exactly what it was, but I just A-H, basically. But like, tongue is out. It was pretty cool.

It's like saying ah in the most sexual way possible. Yeah, just like that. That was sex. That wasn't it. No, I like that. What are those things in Star Wars called? That's a very vague question. I don't know.

I was like, at-ads. At-nats. Right, right. I was going to try to fake. Lightsaber's, Craig. I have seen Star Wars. All right. Goodbye, everyone.

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