The Ringer NFL Show - Early Senior Bowl Week Takeaways | The Ringer NFL Draft Show

Episode Date: January 31, 2024

This week, the guys report live from the Senior Bowl with their most significant takeaways from practice, including the top quarterback prospects (#PandaWatch), their biggest draft icks, nepo baby corner, and much more (1:52). Next, they talk about the Steelers' hiring of Arthur Smith as their new offensive coordinator and Ben Johnson's decision to stay with the Lions (51:11). “You guys want to do some emails?” (60:33) Check out our 2024 Ringer NFL Draft Guide here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Ben Solak Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We have the senior ball. What's the senior ball? We'll get to that in a little bit. We've got so much going on. Arthur Smith is now the offensive coordinator for the Pittsburgh Steelers. RIP to Craig. That's actually why it's not here. He's actually, you know.

He's done. He's a shock. Yeah, he just, he needs a moment. So we have Ben Johnson, Lyons, offense coordinator. Not leaving. I'm not leaving. It's weird. A lot going on.

We have emails. Someone explained how wind works. There's so much going on. But nice. The big news of the day is, if you're listening, then NFL draft dot the ringer.com is live with DK's top 32 big board. Scouting reports, everything, badges. It's really cool.

Shades of. Shades of the comp. The comp, DK, what's the best comp you have in the big? I'm not going to, I'm not going to give it. You got to click it. Go check it out. Click on the link. Type in the URL, Earl, as D.K. calls it because he reads acronyms.

It's really wheeled. You're old. Weird. We've been told this. that's your Earl. NFL draft. The ringer.com. Type it in. So link at the episode description and everything

if you don't want to type. That's what Craig says. Anyway, okay, we've been informed by our, I was going to say boss, Bill Simmons, more like the boss's boss's boss. He's high. He's up there. The esteemed boss.

Bill Simmons. Yeah. And he said, you should probably talk about the quarterbacks on every show. Right. And we were like, wow, damn, you're probably right. So in the spirit of that, we have the pleasure and honor of introducing

a new segment here on the ringer NFL draft show, which is Panda Watch. The mood is tense. I have been on some serious serious reports, but nothing quite like this. I, uh, Ching King is inside right now. I tried to get an interview with him,

but they said, nope, you can't do that. He's a live bear. He will literally rip your face off. Hey, you're making me look stupid. Get out here. Panda jerk. Of all the stories I've covered. Tone. It's tense right here. I'll tell you. I have covered

serious, serious reports. Nothing quite as serious as this one. We are going to be recapping the movement of the top three quarterbacks in this class, basically Caleb Williams from USC, Jaden Daniels from LSU, and Drake May from UNC. I'm going to get those three correct. USC, U.S.U.N.C. You can see you get thinking every time.

What is the acronym? The U.N.C. The U.S.C. and U.N.C. is tough. So the literally, D.K., we were just texting it just overjoyed because D. DK came up with this idea of just like, oh, we're just going to cover the quarterbacks like they're the pandas and anchor man. So anything new today? What's going on with Caleb Williams?

Not really. Caleb question marks because people watch this film for the first time actually, and it's Jane and Daniel's hype, right? That's a bad to watch. Dude, I think the end is like a stork. The panda's giving birth and a stork will soon descend into the cage. Also, have you seen Anchorman or is it just like, you just going with it? I've seen so many episodes of Anchorman.

Dude, it's a great series. Today, the thing I want to focus on, a thing that I've seen. scene out there kind of in the NFL draft intelligentsia, as you put it, If it's the industry at large. I'm seeing a lot of people who are not only mock drafting Jaden Daniels above Drake May in mock drafts, but like ranking him above him. I think there's some question marks about Drake May's overall season this last year and his consistency where he was compared to last year. And I think people are looking at Jane Daniels who had absolutely ludicrous stats this year. Obviously, he won the He won the Heisman trophy, you know, a bunch of touchdowns in the air, a bunch of running.

touchdowns, 1,000 yards. Jim Jens, the only player in FBS history to have 12,000 passing yards, 3,000 rushing yards. So 12,000 passing yards in his career. His career, yeah, no, that was not one season. I was thinking about that. Excellent clarifications.

But he has, he's got a bunch of records for, like, his dual threat stats this year. So who do you have your number one overall player on your big board? I have killed, Caleb Williams from USC. USC. Yeah, number two is. And then I have Drake May from U.

Lensie. Where's Jay and Daniels? There's a few below that. I can't remember off the top of my head. I think it's like eight. Go to NFLdraft.org.com to see exactly. Find out. Where do you,

do you agree with those rankings? First, just quarterbacks overall. Caleb Williams, then Drake, man. I struggle with Caleb and May to figure out who's one and who's two.

For me, Daniels is a clear third. I think that we're going to see Daniels gain steam to be in that top group. We're going to continue to see rumors. I have bets on him to go first overall. Like I think that the arrow is going to point up. But for me, in terms of how I would rank him,

Daniels is a clear three. Like I said in the first episode, I've Caleb above May. I still think I've Caleb above May. I'm not going to lock that in for a long time. So they're a top two. So what if Jade and Daniels is a tier below those guys, why would he go over Drake May?

Well, you have to remember, a lot of it is about trajectory. A lot of it is about stock. When we entered the season, we knew the top quarterbacks were going to be Caleb and Drake. That was the expectation coming in. there's been trajectory for Michael Pennex and then he has the Texas game

and then people ask like oh could he go top 15 could you go top 10 and then he has the national championship game and it kind of goes down right a lot of is always trajectory Jay and Daniels had an unbelievable trajectory this season right Is this how stocks work? Yeah this is exactly you don't make money on stocks It's all about just yeah

Well I mean I know stocks I just wanted you to explain the stocks So Janie Daniels comes in and it's like man You know if you talk to LSU fans about Jaden Daniels they're like still to this day They're like I don't know if he's got it Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, there was like, there wasn't certainty that he was the player that there was really going to be like a legitimate SEC quarterback. He ends the season winning the Heisman.

So right now, like he's very clearly vaunted himself into the top of the quarterback conversation. The dust is still settling in terms of, okay, where exactly is he going to rank? You got to remember a lot of these people when they're sourcing stuff out are sourcing it from like scouts and scouting directors that were like on the road that handled like the southeast. They handled this area. And so they have a lot of proximity to Jaden. The real decision makers, general managers, won't have. have eyes and opinions on all three guys until we start to get a combine time. Right.

And so right now a lot of stuff that's like, oh, Jane and Daniels gaining a lot of smoke has to do with like guys who are on the scouting ladder, but not the actual decision makers at the top. Also at one point during this process, coaches will start to get involved. Yeah. And then never believe anything you hear after May. March 8th.

You see things start to like shift a little bit in terms of like the out, the, the impressions from everybody. So yeah. Yeah. So, D.K., you're the vibes king and you put a lot of stock in what fans think because not that they're deciding things, but that it can be underrated. especially like you're basically analytics are actually what on fourth and one you should just do

with the other fan base doesn't want you to do so if it doesn't freak you out that ls u fans midseason we're kind of like i don't know about this guy well let's hear from some lsu fans first of all yeah email so ringer fanci football at gmail dot com baby if that's true if that is like a unanimous thing or at least consensus no 100 percent we pulled we talked to every single um then yes that worries me a lot because i think like you see this a lot of times in the draft like a fan base will be like either way higher on one of their players than like the general consensus nationwide or whatever on the like the you know like what reporters say of this guy or what analysts say they're like you guys are missing it you guys are way off on us or they'll

be like why does the draft community like this guy that's worth noting that was that was last year that was for it with anthony richard 100% where like and like this pod loved anthony richards he looked great when he came out for the first couple of games and then he got hurt and whatever so books still out on Richardson. Right. But in general, like, when drafting analysts, we're like, dude, Richardson should go one. Like, he is the best quarterback in the class.

Florida fans are. Like, are you insane? Who? No. Is there a different Anthony Richardson in this track? So actually, now that you, that's a good, like, I had forgotten about that. Now that actually makes me think, like, maybe it doesn't matter that. Right. Well, the thing is, I have no idea where you're talking about.

The world for college football fans, which is, like, can Jane and Daniels, you know, prevent my team from losing to Mississippi State? Like, don't make mistakes. Just throw the ball to the good receivers. is a lot different than the NFL world, which is what could this guy become in the NFL with NFL coaching, right? That's like why there was a rich in disparity,

and it's why there'll be a little bit of a Daniels disparity as well. It's because he's a lot different for the league where he's a lot more like theory and projection than he was for Gator fans and LSU fans where it's about what do you give them for me right now? So the LSU fans just turn around. You're looking at the panda.

Like you're Jaden angels. You're making me look stupid. All right, well. All right, well, that was Panda Watch. Great report. Compelling and rich. Great story. Compelling and rich.

My favorite bit of all that. Panda watch. It's really all we do, right? Our whole job is like Panda Watch. Hey, what's up with the Caleb guy? Has it played football since we last talk. Oh, okay. This is like a meta, yeah.

Like the entire draft show is Panada watch. Yeah. The entire NFL Bandit Watch. Nothing is happening, actually. We're just like changing our opinions on everybody. Welcome to draft coverage. All right. So speaking to which, we're at the senior.

But things actually did happen today. We watched players. They played football. They played football. Well, some, yeah, some people were better than others. I ran drag. Rood. Yeah.

So we're here at the senior bowl, which, oh, man, in the past, you're like, what's that? And it's like, well, a bowl for seniors. But, well, now it's like there's juniors allowed. And there's like super seniors. So there's like Michael Pennix, who I love. But like he was been in college since like 2018, man. So it's like he's really like it's the super senior bowl with juniors too. So it's like you could be any age.

You'd be anything. So let's get to. We'll take whoever. We'll get to the whole eligible. really thing. But while we're on the quarterbacks, we saw Michael Pennix, Jr., the Washington quarterback, who played great against Texas and the cultural play of semifinal and then kind of got played bad. He played poorly against, yeah, Michigan. Not great. Kind of like mulled by bear, if you will. It was a lot of bucket of cold water on his hype. It was like the Revenant bear.

It's on the bear tree. Yeah. That's, that's graphic, but yeah. He just limped off like he was that guy. Anyway, it was bad. We also have Boe Nix from Oregon. And again, never mind the fact that Nix and there's a lot of Nicks. Anyway. Pennix and Nicks. Yeah. DK, you can start here. First of all, Michael Penix and Bonix, they're clearly the best quarterbacks here.

Who do you think looks stronger today? I actually thought Pennix had the better day. I thought he looked more in command. He looked, to me, like just, you know, they're throwing a lot of stuff at these guys.

They're like obviously doing installs on all the plays. Like you're playing with new players. You're playing with new receivers. And they're all in their own helmets, which I kind of love. It's like they have their own uniforms, but they're in their own helmets, which is an excellent.

It's the only way I know who's who. Yeah. I'm like, all right, yellow. Scout the helmet. This is when you're supposed to scout the helmet. Shout out to Derek Classic. Yeah, you're supposed to scout out. Shout out Derek Classic and a Bleach Report who made the great point that all the teams with the sick helmet colors are awful like Wake Forest.

All the teams of black and gold have terrible players. I'm like, damn, that's so sad. Nobody should be allowed to wear their white helmets because they all look. I got to figure out what the logo is. And then I realized it was the Penn State Corners. Yeah. And then also who has the white helmets. Who has the most distinctive helmet?

I feel like it might be Oregon. And then they're out here in these like the chrome silver helmets Bow Nix is throwing in. It is like my whole life. I know it's Oregon for sure, right? No, but like my whole life, it's not what it looked like. The Tulane Whiteout is wearing a white helmet with the Tulane Green Wave. Michael Pratt, the quarterback is wearing the baby blue helmet.

That's a good choice. Good choice. Got to wear the baby blue. This reminds me of last year when Andre Yoshevas from Princeton was playing and we were like, what the hell helmet is that? Who is that? Who is that? But anyway, yeah, I thought Pennix.

He looked. confident he looked like very smooth and that's like a big part like you know obviously um you don't want to make huge interceptions you don't want to be really inaccurate i thought he was accurate number one he was like getting the ball out really quickly nothing that they did today was like hardcore football really it was really just like you know drills but i thought that he i thought that he looked pretty good and we're literally talking about practice we're talking about practice he and by the way he was taking snaps from under center which i think he's like you know got to like get more used to again because that like Washington's offense was just mostly shotgun stuff.

So, yeah, I thought he looked really good. And I thought on the other hand, Nix did not stand out to me. He looked a little bit like his head was underwater. Boom or Bo. So I, you know, I thought that like, you know,

wasn't like a clear cut winner, but I thought Pennix looked more impressive. And again, so Pennix turns 24 the week after the draft. Boom or Boonex is turning 24 in like a month or like less than a month from today. So 24 years old. Boeh, Boeh,

Yeah, think about that. Traillings was drafted three years ago. He's entering the final year of his working contract. Boomer Bo Nex still in college. Yeah, but like, at least Bo Nex has been playing football. Yeah. Well, that's true. This is like actually where I like don't care about the age quite as much.

I think there's a there is a feeling that if you're coming into the NFL in your fifth or six year senior and you've like played too much that like your development, you're maxed out in your development. Like you should have been better earlier or something like that. So. But I think like getting life fire snaps in games and throwing passes in games with defenders, with real defenders in real games is pretty valuable.

And what's Trey Lance doing? He gets like a couple snaps of practice. Well, I don't think this was the plan. But right. The thing is Lance still went through overall. The contracts are the contracts. The checks are the checks. Yeah.

And that's why it's why you can come out when you're going to go three overall. Right? Can't get much better than that. Yeah, but is he going to get another chance to be a starter anywhere? Buddy third overall contract. True.

Fine. He's like the same age as Trevor Lawrence. Whatever. The Bo Nix, Solac, Bo Nix has been talked about as a potential top 10. top 15 quarterback.

Yeah. Is that like a conspiracy theory or is that real? Because after watching today, like six years in college, he didn't have a great day. It's kind of weird. Yes. Well, like, it's always tricky whenever they're throwing to wide receivers they've never thrown to and like the timing isn't right. It's always, it's really funny.

Like they go do those one-on-ones and the wide receiver lines up. And you always see the quarterback go chat with the wide receiver. So they always got to be like, all right, like run this at 12. You know what I'm saying? You don't really know the landmarks yet. So it's hard. I like to see a quarterback play better on day three than he did on day one. Like if Bo had a bad day one, but he looks fine on day three, I feel very comfortable

like kind of a racing day one. Yeah, I'm like, he's figuring out what Tess Walker's up to because he doesn't know what does Walker's up to. Panics being able to still be accurate is really a nice boon, but if Beau was fine by day three, I'll be chill about it. I think right now you made me put my life savings on the fourth quarterback to go in the first round, right? Caleb's going, Drake's going, Jaden's going first round.

If you made me put everything I got on one more quarterback to go round one, it would be Bow next. Before McCarthy and before Panics. But is that because you think that or because you think that? that's what the NFL will want or do you also agree with the second one yeah no no I mean like i like bow i think the best of the three i wouldn't i mean i mean i mean i mean i mean i mean i mean i mean i mean i mean it's like a shirt and your friend's like should i wear this out we're i mean i mean i wouldn't be caught dead yeah in that shirt and like that's what you're saying about

like i wouldn't be caught dead with bow nix on my team i'm not no i i don't i don't like spen pick 24 to get it done i like spends pick 44 to get it done there's a big difference now right uh for but for for for for the league they're going to see a player who improved who who who who's been a great leader, who's an awesome guy in the building. He's got NFL caliber traits very clearly. Nix has always been like a high caliber arm guy, looks good, spinning the football, so on and so forth. I think next is going to go round one when it's all said and done.

The only thing that makes me nervous about what you just said in terms of like you betting your life savings is I think the NFL is going to like J.J. McCarthy too. So that, but like. And McCarthy is a infant compared to Beau. And so like to me, like, let me just say it for saying he's 20 versus 20, 20 versus 24. That's like literally being a senior in high school, versus a freshman in high school.

Like, a senior college versus, like, J.G. McCarthy was in high school and then these guys were in college, and J.G. McCarthy's going to leave college, and they're still in college. At some point, shouldn't you dominate people older than you? Think about what you just said about Trey Lance's contract, right? If I'm, let's say I draft Bownix. And in one universe I draft Bownx and the other, I draft J.J. McCarthy. In both universes, they hit. They're incredible.

They're top five quarterbacks. I go to sign Bowe's second deal when he's 27, 28. I go to sign McCarthy's second deal when he's 23, 24, right? And so now, again, take it, okay, now take it to their third contracts. I'm saying Bauda's third contract. He's 32 years old, right? I'm starting to worry about the age cliff. I'm signing the car through his third deal at 28, right?

The reason why the age matters is like certainly like, how did they succeed in college? When did they get good? So on and so forth. But the other thing that matters is if you hit on the quarterback, you want to hit on him when he's 21, not when he's 25. That's so interesting. I honestly, I don't even think of it that way. I think of it more like the common sense of like, you want these guys to be prodigies. And I think you're like, you know what?

Five-year-olds, like, the C. Strowd. When C. Strasnard was five, he was rocking eight-year-old. He was in preschool. He was three. They were like, we've never seen he's dunking on the little, the TC price basketball. He's dumping on six-year-olds, preschooler.

I never seen anything like this. I need to get Calvin into sports pretty quickly. Yeah, dude, he's going to be a fullback. I showed the picture of your son as a baby to my mom. She's like, oh, that's going to be a fullback or lineback. And the, but like, you know, CJ, you want guys who were in eighth grade on varsity. Like, and you want to make the NBA, you want to be the NFL. And it's like, you know, maybe I'm being a little, I'm definitely being a little

judgey. But I just think that never mind you're not dominating people older than you. You aren't even dominating your cohort. It just gives me the ick to think that these guys are, look, Michael Pennix at four season ending injuries, that will drop him. But now that he's healthy, he's bawling. What freaks me out about Bo Nix is he went to Auburn, his dad was the quarterback at Auburn. So it was kind of like, you know, little red carpet rolled out for him. I know young wasn't great.

But I'm like the idea that he had to wait till literally he should have left college to dominate the 19-year-olds and in the PAC 12, no less. Like, does it give you pause that this guy had to, this case should be selling insurance? And he's like, now we can dominate the freshman Pact 12 quarterbacks who weren't good enough to go to the SEC. And I'm like, ah, he's six years. Here's my issue with that. Jared Stedham, who was the quarterback on Auburn before Bo was their starter for multiple years, was never great, didn't transfer anywhere, came out, went to the senior bowl, got drafted in the fourth round, right? Like you said like, oh, Bo should have been selling insurance.

Bo could have come out after the Auburn years and gone third round, right, in terms of like, oh, physical talent, and I like his leadership, right? That's how the NFL goes to go to quarterbacks. And so I don't think it's a Bo created his entire NFL profile based off his success at Oregon. I think he was always going to be drafted in the league and the league was always going to be interested in him.

There was talk about Bo coming out last year to the senior ball, right? Because he was eligible for the senior ball in the 2023 draft and potentially being like a round two pick. That was even before the Oregon had the season, they just did. This is a perfect segue to another thing that's weird again. I can't get over.

It's at the senior bowl. And literally this press conference this morning with Jim Nagy, runs a senior bowl. And someone asked him, hey, you know, this junior suit, do you want to rename this? He was like, absolutely not. Never. Never renamed people.

People know what this is. And I was like, I get it because that's like all of college football, right? Like, you know what teams are in the big, big 10? It's not 10. How about the PAC 12? RIP. The PAC 2? Yeah, the fact two, just scribble it out.

But so the senior bowl, they allowed juniors now, but it was a really interesting, there's a really interesting development now with NIL and college football where now, obviously players can get paid the horror. But now that players are. you know, getting money indirectly in exchange for the services

that they provide and value they create. Imagine that. Dude. And some guys are like, oh, maybe I'll just take this money. I'm being paid

and not just, you know, and try to get better at football and then go hire the draft. So, whereas maybe guys would have wanted the NFL paycheck to be a sixth rounder.

From what I understand, I'm curiously you guys think, it sounds like NILs killed day three of the draft that there were fewer underclassmen going to declare in the draft.

I forget the exact stat this morning. I think there's like 60, something like that. Yeah, yeah. And three five years goes 140. Record low number of underclassmen. You brought up NIL. The other thing is the transfer portal, right? I'm a junior out of, uh, western Kentucky, right? I was decently productive. I can get into the NFL draft might be a middle round pick or just transfer up a level, right? Go and just climb the ladder, get up, get up to a higher level, football, high level of competition. And if I hit there, I can really, really cash in. And so there's, there's an escalation ability with the transfer portal and then obviously

I end up coming in. You don't have a meeting here. Jimmy or Gibbs. He was a Georgia Tech. Georgia Tech. And then it goes to Alabama. And then on top of the, yeah, all these division two guys are moving up to D1.

And then it was like the 12th pick. Yeah. Right, exactly. So transfer gives you the ability to get a second display here, work with a different staff, work with new coaches, develop new relationships, put good film out there and go. And so absolutely the, the crop of underclassmen is as far smaller than it used to be.

I think it's changing day three. I struggle in a year in which Puganakua just came out to be like day three's dead. Right. Right. Like, Oh, excuse me. Kai, keep that in on your life. I ate two hot dogs in between practices. That's what that was. We have a, we have a changed

day three, right? We have a world in which now, like, you have to, I think, consider seniors and how they get on your team a little bit more successfully. I think you're to see more specialists continue to be drafted on day three or seeing that. The other thing to remember is it's not like, you know, in the past we had all these day three picks and we were taking

tons of guys and then nothing else was happening afterwards. There's a whole undrafted free agency, right? There is a very big and useful and serious crop of players who don't make the draft. And so if the number of underclassmen are dropping, don't worry, there's still guys to pick. Yeah. I think day three is going to be changed. The idea that it's like dying on the vine to me is like it's a classic like college football NFL overreaction. Like, you know, the mega TV deals are killing college football.

They're changing college football. It's killing a previous construction of it. But I don't think it goes away. I think it evolves. So with that said, so we're here at the senior bowl slash super senior bowl slash junior ball. Anyone who's playing and going to be declared for the NFL draft bowl. And we just came from practice. There's a bunch of things I want to hit.

But in a little bit, I want to get into, do this draft picks to discuss. I would like to discuss some of our draft X because I honestly, there's a lot of draft X. Good one. I think we have to start with there's two. So the way the senior ball works is there's two teams and they have NFL coaches as their actual coaches. And they split up all these players kind of randomly. or maybe not so randomly into the national team

and the America team and then they play on Saturday. So we go every day and we watch two practices. We watch one team practice in the morning watch another team practice in the afternoon. The national team went first. They were good.

They were fine. Good practice. You know, they all, you know, they can play together, right? They're all getting it. The American team, the second team was, I mean, disgusting.

Like it would let's a, I don't know. I mean, so you have a bunch of words. Is that strong word? Is that too strong? The three most reliable throwers of the football which is Pennix, Knicks, and the Notre Dame quarterback, Sam Hartman, are all on the national team, the first team national. The four quarterbacks otherwise, which is Joe Milton out of Tennessee,

who could throw the ball like 90 yards, Spencer Raller out of South Carolina, Michael Pratt at Tulane, and then Cooper Bradley, I want to say his name is South Alabama quarterback local kid. Meanwhile, Bo Nix and Michael Pennix are in the morning. Yeah, those four struggle. That sets the tone for the entire practice. You know what the best part is? They all struggle in super different ways.

Yes. Which is, and again, the quarterbacks are the lifeblood of all the practices with the receivers running routes. And so, say, if you're a receiver after this practice, you're going home and you're talking to your agent and you're like, I've been sabotaged. Can I be traded? Dude, the one-on-ones with the receivers in the second practice, the, uh, yeah, the American practice late later. Spencer Rattler bounced the ball to receiver and he kicked it. There was just, it was so many just overthrows. Yeah.

Every single time. It says it was tough, I think. You always, you always want to evaluate the rep, right, the route running and everything. But it's nice to see receivers be able to address the football, and that wasn't an opportunity a lot of the American team guys had. I thought, and then trenches-wise, if there was a couple of interesting players on the American team, there's Taylor Guyon who's going to be a potential first-round pick,

Oklahoma tackle, the Houston Christian kid, who's got good measurables, there's a LELUS U-U guard, there's like guys. But altogether, the majority of the good trench players run the national roster, the first roster. And so you're just kind of watching one-on-one drills being like, not much here for me to parse through. But we'll get back to the film.

It's kind of like evaluating the Patriots receivers and you're like watching Bailey Zapi and Mac Jones. I don't think these guys are good, but who's to know? Everything, everything is better. Everything is better than the year that the Lions were coached in the senior bowl and Matt Patricia was a head coach. And the Patricia practices were like literally an hour and a half of stretching. And then like 30 minutes of special teams.

They were so bad. There was nothing to watch. It was. And like no one was happy. It's not like, oh, not for the media. No, like there's no chance the scouts were enjoying it. It was dreadful stuff, dude. At least they ran reps.

Do you think they? did that the way that they paired up the quarterbacks in terms of putting Knicks, Pennix, Hartman together is because you get a better idea of like who's pushing the other one and who looks better with like

the same sort of variables there. I think Pennix and Knicks and Knicks were always going to go together right because you have that that tension you see them go one after the other I don't know what Hartman's there. I would have wanted to get Hartman on the other teams because I know Harmon's going to deliver a catchable cold ball versus like Put Rattler. Put Milton in the group right.

Yeah, yeah. Like, just be like. And Milton, so he's the quarterback of Tennessee who was, I mean, he transferred, but. Michigan of Tennessee, yep. Hendon, yeah. So Joe Milton left Michigan because what, Shea Patterson and the other McAfre. There's a third McCaffrey here. The second McCaffrey, after Christian McCaffrey beat out Joe Milton in Michigan,

Joe Milton goes to Tennessee and then gets hurt and Hendon hooker just beats him. And then Joe Milton, basically like if Anthony Richardson had no idea where the ball was going, is that fair to say? Like Joe Milton's like, what, 10 feet tall, like Paul Bunyan can throw the ball 90 yards. but like I've never seen a guy like he threw it like an out route today Joe Milton and the ball like went past the receiver like you know like a 10-yard out and I've never seen a ball travel so far through the sideline like I think if it had hit like a like a you have to have your head on a swivel if you're all over on the side I think if it hit someone in the head he would they would

have died like I hit the brick wall and I kind of expected a brick to come out he can throw he definitely has a cannon and he's a big guy and and that's going to get him drafted but he didn't he didn't have much accuracy but I don't I don't it's like artillery Like, I don't know he's, he doesn't actually know where it's going. Get a zero that thing. Yeah, so he throws it. And then Pratt, the two-lane quarterback throws it after him. And you're just like, buddy.

It's so tough is that. We have to talk about Spencer Rattler, who Spencer Rattler was the quarterback, ironically, that Caleb Williams beat out at Oklahoma. And Spencer Rattler. Great name. Three, for all time. Elite, like, if Madden, if Madden auto-generated, like, it's Spencer Rattler, you're like, I have to take this guy for it. His personal logo, he has the, he's got the R. It's got the R with a little rattlesnake tail at the end of it.

It's right there. Yeah. Dude, so Rattler was, I don't know if he's the number quarterback of this guy. He was expected to be like the next great. I remember Lawrence. There was talk before the year that he got benched, which was last year, that he was going to be like a first round pick like a top 10 pick. Like there was this expectation that he was the next big thing.

I've done nothing, by the way. I'm not guilty at all propagating any Spencer Rattler hype over his career. Oh, did you? Don't search the tweets. Don't look them up. What have you said? He's pros. He has a good.

He's got some nice reps on film, but this was tough. You know what it took Spencer Rattler's like, he's kind of like a, he's kind of like a thirst trap. Like he's kind of like a toxic, like a, you know what I mean? It's like this where you're like, oh, yeah, exactly. You're like, oh, I'm into this and you're like this. And then you seem up close and you're like, oh, this seems. It's a tough day for Spencer. He's bouncing balls to the receivers.

He had one tough pick and then he had another couple like inaccurate. He hit, he hit Jahen Bell in angles, right? On a crosser. And then Jeheme Bell just didn't even try to catch the ball. I was like, man, you're not just practice receiver, like, going out for a route and, like, put your hands up to catch the ball. And so, like, it's not a catchable ball. The quarterback needs to know it's terrible. Yeah, I like that he outfit him.

You got to punish him. You got to show him. You're not going to deign to bend over for that thing. Jeheme Bell, by way. Dane to bend over. I'm interested in a jehem. Where do you go again? Florida State tight end is 6-2, which is not as big as you'd like for your tight ends to be.

But he plays like every position. And he moved, yeah, exactly. Brock Bowers is 6-4, and he's like on the smaller end of tight ends. Yes, so he's 6-2, which makes him a little bit weird. It's like an h-back, full-back. You don't really want him like hand in the dirt right next to the tackle. Yeah, even then like Chig's 64. It's like Jordan Reed's stuff.

I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. We got to get this guy up in there. He's daily 6-1 and 7-8. So we're, remember Marcel Reese? Yeah. So we got huge.

Something like that. He was like a fullback, but also a receiver. Oh, he was the Raiders fullback that was, if you played mad, and he was a free agent, you signed him because he was like a 91 speed fullback. Yeah. And then you could just. Yeah. Leonard Weaver, yeah.

Yeah. He moved really well. He caught the football well. He's a, that's sort of like, you know, the fantasy community is going to be interested at him. You know, they're going to coach get asked about the combine. Oh, he's a movement guy.

He's a weapon. He's a piece for us. Like, wherever he lands, it's going to be really exciting to think about what that team ends up doing with him. But I was impressed by how he was moving out there. That is a big body that moves quick, move smooth, moves fast, caught the ball well. Like Gene Bell. A lot of times, just to give you a perspective of what the senior bowl is, a lot of times it's like, wait, who is that guy?

You know, because you see him do something that's really flashes. I mean, it's, Daniel Jones was the senior ball MVP for better for worse. The Giants basically took him almost entirely off that. Brock Purdy was in the senior ball. Did you say for better for worse as if like we don't know yet? You know what, man. We'll see what happens, you know? For better for worse, the Giants are still developing senior ball MVP.

Brock Purdy was for worse. It was objectively worse. I mean, I was at that senior bowl, and I saw Daniel Jones play. Is that Bowenix or he's not playing well yet, I guess? I still think we need to. This is, of course, like, day one reactions. Yeah, they weren't even like barely scrimaging. It was like drills.

But sometimes you know, like last year, the two players that stood out to me the most, and we talked about this last year was Jaden Reed, who was at a Michigan State. We're like, wow, that guy plays like a grown-ass man. Guess what? Green Bay Packers. How he turns out he was good. Like eight? Yeah.

He's like the number one receiver for the Packers now. The other one was, Dante. Vivian Wicks who went the fifth round of the backers is like also their second best receiver now. Yeah, there was, I mean, Puka really flashed on his first day last year. This is the other funny thing that the senior ball. When you play well, the agents are like, okay, you played well. So we're going to, and they pull them out. They're like, you're not allowed to play anymore.

So they're still here, but then they don't play it because the agent's like, I don't want you to have a bad. You're hamstring's tight. If I were Quinnian Mitchell's agent, corner out of Toledo, well, I talked about a couple weeks ago. Good film. I would be on the phone of me to buy Quinnian. stub your toe. Young man, slam your finger on the door.

I don't care. My hammies hurt. Yeah, exactly. It's like if the players like skip the bowl games now, but it's like if like mid bowl game, the players are like,

no, I played really well. I'm out. Like that's what this happens. Which it's all, you know, and everybody knows what it is and whatever. And honestly like what will happen is,

let's say Mitchell, you know, is injured for the next two days. The senior ball will call up somebody from like the NFL PA bowl or the shrine game to get an opportunity. And like, listen,

that guy gets some reps now. I'm saying? Like there's a, There's a silver lining here, but best player on the field, either team, either side of the unit, either side of the ball, Queenie Mitchell, corner out of Toledo. He looked for round one player, baby. It was like one of those things where, so he's a, he's out of Toledo. Out of Toledo.

Go Rockets. Lower level, of course. And I think the thought was like coming in this week, like, how's he going to be able to compete with like some of these like SEC guys or whatever? And man, he was dominant, like truly. And so, yes, I totally agree with Ben, like, if he decided to. stop playing today. Like, I don't think he loses himself

any money. First rounder? He made himself. Is he in your top 32? He is in my top 32. At NFLdraft. Dot the ringer.com. Yep.

And I think he's going to go in the first round. Where you have him right on the corners? Bad take. Like corner one. Second or third. The answer is at NFL draft. Dotterreterriner.com. You got a good NFL draft.

Dotterringer.com to find out. But he's, he's like above average high, above average way. He's got good length. He's an unbelievable mover. He's smooth. He's smart. He's got ball skills.

You didn't really see him press too much in college. You saw him press today. Lovely, right? You can just tell he's a natural, natural athlete. Reminds you of Greg Newsom out of Northwestern. He was like, I think, 24 overall for the Browns. That's the range right there. Queen Mitchell, yeah.

Probably, yeah, probably not like a top 15 guy. Small school kind of makes you shaky, but I like what I see. So enough about being nice. As I said, draft picks. There are also a lot of draft X. Mine, again, Spencer Rattler, bouncing a ball. The other one that gave me an Ike was Tess Walker, the receiver at UNC, who I kind of love, I like the name, Tess Walker.

And, D.K., you compared him to kind of Gabe Davis. Stylistically. And that, like, you know, he's smaller, but, like, doesn't turn necessarily. It's not like super sudden short area, like, burst. He's just, like, a straight line, deep threat type of player. So he transferred to Chapel Hill, and there was a whole trauma about it. But anyway, he went up in the end zone and a couple times, and I'm like, I officially feel like an old guy.

I'm having a crisis because Craig and I are both turning 30 in the next year. And I finally feel like an old guy because I had my first true old guy football take today. You guys ready for this? I actually like I earnestly thought this 100% earnestly. Back in my day, receivers caught the ball with two hands. And I'm like watching Tess Warr and every receiver wants to do like the one hand grab. And I'm like some guys zero hands.

They don't reach. I'm like that bothers me. One hand. I'm like just go with two hands, Taz. And I just totally. It is annoying. You're going to be there. As soon as you turn 30, you're going to start complaining about.

guys who run out of bounds before they get hit. Oh, come on. And that's like, I'm already there. Yeah. That's just like the best old man. Like you could have got extra three yards there. Like I think, but yeah. So like did you get any X watching players today?

I mean like you got to want to play through contact. Like I think that that was my does walk wreck. It was off the film. It was today. Which is like you got to be, you know, you can't always operate in space. Altogether, X, wise now. Like, I mean, I know what I don't like, right? I know when I see a linebacker,

try to get connected to a running back in a one-on-one drill and he just has no gas. I'm like, all right. Like, it's just not going to play at the NFL level. But a lot of that stuff is like, it's not like a senior bowl thing. It's like that's been there on film sort of the thing. The linebackers, man. This class is not good. That's been a theme so that the, again, we're talking with Derek Klasson.

And he made a great point that the class is, it's kind of like a boom bust for categories. There are a lot of quarterbacks. Yeah. Even, you know, ones that might be Hallfamers, but ones that just will be back up death pieces, depth pieces for a decade. There's a lot of quarterbacks. Death pieces. Well, that's different things.

Joe Milton's ball, like, was so hard. It was a death piece. A lot of quarterbacks, a lot of offensive tackles, a lot of receivers, a lot of cornerbacks. That's great. There were, like, two running backs that you want on your team. Yeah, I kind of like to feel the running backs today. Yeah. But linebacker overall, like the linebacker running back are thin.

The classes is definitely down for running backs. But running back, I would say, like, the top of the class is week. But there's like enough guys. There's enough athletes. Yeah. Edge rusher and linebacker are the two to me this year where I'm just like, I cannot find guys that I like. at a lot of the levels in the draft.

Edge had a couple of guys who stood out today. There's the young man out of Western Michigan. Marshawn Neeland, 34-inch arms, 268 pounds. All right, you just always say this. We're going to do this again. No one knows a 34-inch arm's me. No one knows how long their arms are. Is that long?

Yes. How long is it? It's an inch longer than short. Yeah. An inch longer than short. So like your hope, the benchmark for offensive tackles is like traditionally 33 inches. Oh, he's 34? Yeah, 33 inches.

Oh, gosh. That's his game of inches. That's it. Oh shit. That's good. Yeah. I mean, it is his week. Listen, listen.

It actually does matter. Is that what they were talking about? His wingspan is 84 inches. 84 inches is seven feet, right? That's seven feet. That's, that's, that's like broad shoulders and long arm. We're on video right now. Can I say stupid questions?

I've said so many dumb things. It's going to be like top five dumb thing I've ever asked. I'm ready. When you're talking about, let's say blocking, right? Talking about wingspan. This is such a dumb question. So the wingspan. they're measuring to your fingertips.

Finger tip to fingertip, yeah. But if you have long, but you're blocking with the hinge of your hand. Yes. So is there like a different word? Because if one guy has real long fingers, that doesn't really help. That's actually a funny question. I'm like, what is this? No, I, I, I, I, like, when we measure player height, we should measure the top of their shoulders and then stop.

Oh, because it's that neck like Davis moves? Guys are hacking with necks. All right. Trash. I height. Thrash, the Louisville receiver, right? He's got a long neck. All right.

He's juke in the stats, juke in the numbers. Oh, that means you can see higher. Yeah, but that's helpful. Well, that's like,

for quarterbacks to everything. General, I'm caring about just like, you know, what's your body like? I'll never, ever, ever forget as long as I live

when James Washington, wide receiver out Oklahoma State walked out for the senior bowl measurements. He then went, you drafted by Petsburg and his Dallas and is largely not done anything in the league.

But Washington walked out and measured at like 5-11 and like seven-eight's, and you look at him, and it's because he's got no neck. Like, He's really just like, like, it's his shoulders up to his ears. And you're like, that's a six-two body.

Dude, we have a 5-11 man. Okay, we figured out. So at the ringer, you've been doing the hot room, plugging your calm now that you're like, it's done with it. But you did this thing great bit called next bend stats, which is like NFL next-chin stats, but stats you make up. So here's it. We have all these stats like, you know, DVOA or EP.

DVOA, for example, which we say, it's a terrible acronym. No offense there in shots. But what it basically means is if it's third and 10 and you get five yards, who cares? You get zero credit, right? 11 yards and third and 10, it's a lot. What we need is like an advanced stats for like, oh, he's six foot, but he's got no neck. So he's got the buy of a six foot five.

It's like that's what we need. 34 inch, anyway. They're getting there with like some of the terms that you can use like, you use high cut and low cut. Yeah. So like if you're a high cut, it means you have long legs. That's Peyton Turner, the Houston linebacker. Long legs and like a short torso. It's like how your body is built.

Like those t-shirts that, dude, the center for Oregon. again. He's built like SpongeBob Squarepants. Like he's jazzed in Powers Johnson, baby. You know how like people look like their dogs? Like he looks just like SpongeBob. Is he SpongeBob's dog? Why did the people look like their dog?

Should we ask him tomorrow? He has a snail? You have a snail name Gary? I think he'll read into that. Spunt, dude, he literally, he looks like square. That made no sense. Sorry. How the hell that at all?

I rescind it. He does look like a shank up SpongeBob is not his dog But you know what I mean He looks like SpongeBob is my point He does look like Spongeb To be clear He looks like a square

He's a square sponge He's a mini fridge man He's as wide as he is deep He's a son of a gun dude Yeah I don't But his arms like Yeah Like he's just so barrel chested

His arms Like kind of like stick out I don't I want his height weight And dimensions I want the height The length span I want a thick They should do like

You know how they do bus size for women They should do bus size for Like Clint hurt The new Seahawks D-L-L-Col. The Eagles D-L-Col. Love a Clint-Hurt. Oh my God.

What a guy. Dude, I think I could fit inside him like a rush and a guy. He and Brayble have the biggest chests I've ever seen. That is my ideal body type. If I could be shaped like Clint-Hert. Why can't everyone look like this, man? Yeah.

Jackson Powers Johnson, man. Like someone was talking to me. This is the center from the SpongeBob. Center of Oregon. Jackson, can you do this SpongeBob? Ben Powers Johnson or what was it? Jackson Powers Johnson. Jackson.

Jackson. Jackson Powers, John. I can't do that. Are you ready, kids? Which he's 6.3, and you watch him on film, and he moves great. And you're like, yep, good, good center. Great. Six, three, nice and tall for a center.

Probably come in like 310, 315. Came in at 3.34. Big film. Yeah, that's solid for a center. That's real big for a center. Off of film, watching him, I was like, I like this guy a lot. Take him where, like, John Michael Schmitz went, right? Like, top of round two.

Like, I think he's going to be great. Yeah. Someone before practice started, it was like, Jack Sparrow Johnson, give me a first round pick. And I was like, that's a little rift for my blood. Watch one practice. I was like, I'm in.

Sponge Bob. He's an impressive specimen. Trying to rush past a square. You can't go anywhere. And he, and he, you brought up kind of the arms and the boxiness of it. He does a really nice job. And it's on film you saw it again during one-on-ones. You get to initial contact with him.

You get to his chest. He can get his arms underneath you and leverage you. He's a really solid leverage player. He's fun to watch. So while we're talking about measurements, too, I have to mention. So Xavier Leggett, I'm almost positive. His last name is Leggette. Liggette.

Liggetty. It's Leggette. Yeah, we'll figure it. So this is, so receiver of South Carolina kind of intriguing. We'll talk about it more as we get to the week. But I have to, the most relatable thing I think that happens during the draft, like the single most relatable thing that happens is all these men lie about their height. And you know what? I told someone I was 5'8 today.

It's not true. And like Xavier Leggett was listed on South Carolina's website 6.3. Everyone is like an inch off, right? He was measured, but they measured today at 6.1. I think that's like, like, he's two inches shorter. Dude, 6.1 and 6.3 feels like an egregious. Like, that's not six to six one. That's like, that's your right as an American.

Right. Right. Everyone in the world is five foot. Not the world. I'm six feet and a half and I usually just say 6.1. But that sounds fake. You get to round up. No, but that, yeah, six and a half almost is like, So you're 511, but you think six feet sounds fake.

So you say six feet and a half just sounds, it's hard to comprehend. It's like, are you six to six? It's like when a child is like, how old is he? It's like, I'm seven and three quarters. Like, how tall are you? I'm six and a half feet. Or it's like when you're a baby and you're like, I'm 72 months old. Dude, I don't know how we count.

Other parents will say that to you. This is ridiculous. Yes, no, it's very funny to come in multiple inches below. I agree. What's also hilarious to me is he was listed at 6, 3, like 227, I want to say. and he came in at 6-1-223. Weight's supposed to be the thing that's variable. And he, like, nailed it,

but he just got too inches less than he thought he would. I like Leggett. I do. I liked him better when I thought it was six-three. Six-won is a little bit of a different model, different build. Shouldn't you do the opposite?

Shouldn't you, like, in reality, I mean, you should be like, I'm 5-11. And then you show up, you're like, dude, this guy's 6-foot-1? Yeah. Calibrate expectations.

I will say, if Leggett was listed to 5-11, I would watch this film and been like, Is it this guy? Are you sure? Do you mess people? That's people.

Throw some people off. Okay. Other stuff we have to hit here. So there's a lot of NEPO baby stuff here, which made this a little harsh. But we have Jerry Rice's son. Brandon? Yeah, Brendan Rice played football at USC. We also have Luke McCaffrey.

It's a receiver. He's the youngest brother, right? Receiver. There's three of them. Christian Mac, Max, Luke. What? The middle one's Max, right? Yes.

Christian McCaffrey's the oldest and the Max McCaffey. Is he still in the league? Sure. Yeah. I don't, which league? A league? They got a new one coming out. All right.

Now I'm going to Google it while you guys talked. Yeah, you figured that out. So the, because he's the one who beat out, Joe, no one cares. Luke McCaffrey, he plays football. He was there. Rice. The Rice. Rice always thought was a fake school.

The Rice is real. So funny. Good team. Brendan Rice caught a touchdown from Bownecks early. And I turned a D.K. And I turned a D.K. And I said, Brendan Rice is going to be a hall of favor. Then I watched Brendan Rice play

like actual Another play The scrimmage Yeah And I don't think I tweeted it I don't think he caught Another pass

After I said that He's he's an interesting guy He loves contested catches So much that he Makes easy catches And he's a good physical receiver Like I think he's I think he has utility

In the league I think that he's gonna get drafted He's Jerry Rice is good And he's gonna hang out On the depth chart But you like for an NFL receiver To be able to generate and rely on more separation

He's not a separation player. So after the senior bowl, the practice ends, the media can go down on the field and you can talk to these guys. And it's kind of like a total chaos. But so I went down and I, you know, I was actually, I saw him and come off. No one was talking to him. So I went up for this like one-on-one interview. And then Ray Garvin. Ray Garvin comes up.

Perfect question, by the way. Ray. So Ray comes up and kind of like immediately establishes a rapport with him that I kind of thought they knew each other. I don't think they knew each other at all. but he was just like, Ray just seems like a very personable person. Yeah. So he goes up and he asked,

I'm literally so jealous of this question. I was the funniest thing. And he looks at Jerry Rice's son and he says, so who do you model your game after? It was like a little smirk. Just immediately like Randy Moss. Yeah. This is like really awkward pause.

He's like, well, I'm my own person. So I mean, I love Julio Jones. Yeah. Well, this is by the way,

this is right. This is like a few minutes after High Fitz was like asking me like, should I ask him what it's like to be Jerry Rice's son? Like, you know what I mean? I'm like what? Hyphitz was trying to figure out like the most tactful ways. What's the least offensive way to say that you're your Jerry Rice's son. Yeah.

And that's what I'm interested to talk to you for. Yeah. But yeah, anyways, that was a great answer. Or a great question I should say. Oh my God. Yeah, great way of putting it. So yeah, emails to ring your fantasy football at gmail.com. I'm just the Nepo baby.

I'm obsessed with the Nepo babies. I mean, they're both, I think, going to be role. players in the NFL. By the way, Max. Max McCaffrey, former wide receiver, who is now an assistant for the Miami Dolphins. He was the offensive coordinator for the Northern Colorado Bears in the 2022 season. Go Bears. He was a Raiders UDFA. Is that a college? Northern Colorado. Sure. Yeah. How are you possibly surprised by this? Every single state has a northern and eastern or western and southern. I've never, northern Colorado bears. Yeah, they're green and gold. Some states even have Central. The Bears are green and gold. The Northern Colorado Bears are green and gold. I'm like

83% sure. The Colorado School of Mines. Oh, love Colorado School of Mines. Go donkeys, I think they are, something like that. They're the,

they're the ore diggers. They're the ore diggers. They're the ore diggers. Gold diggers is right there. The Bears. The Bears. They're blue and yellow. You were way off.

So embarrassing. It's so green and yellow. That's as close as you can be to blue and yellow while being wrong. We're keeping that in too. Well, I don't know about it. All right. Okay.

So we're ahead to see. Dude, I will show you a color wheel. Have you ever seen a rainbow? come on. This is like where you have no, I have no dog in the fight. I just want to like trigger you.

Oh, that was good. It's fun to see that happen to someone else instead of me. This is like Craig's normal like role in the show is just to trigger one of us. Usually hyphids. Two people that really stood out today that I really want to talk about. By the way, what I was getting to earlier was there's like some guys that really just flash stand out. Yeah.

look really good. And then a lot of the time, especially, I mean, honestly, if you go back in the last five or six years, senior bowl receiver standouts, that's been pretty sticky in terms of like guys that end up being good in the league. Yeah. Two guys today, I think that really stood out to me. Roman Wilson from Michigan and Ladd-McConkie from Georgia. Just really, really quick.

Probably both going to be like early second rounders. Ladd, I think could get into the first round. Ladd-McConkey is the guy. Last week we did the receiver episode with Word Association. Your Word Association for Ladd-McConkey. was fucking baller. Ball player. Ball player.

Yeah, he's just really, really sudden, really quick. So both those guys really impressed today. It's like Clint Hurd, the insanely large D-Lyin coach with Eagles has the two, it's not H-U-R-T, it's H-U-R-T-T-T, Clint Hurd. Yeah, yeah. Ladd-McConkey, two D's in Ladd. That's true. It's like a real loud. I saw Roger Sherman, Ringer Great, tweet out that he was Ladd-McConkey, but now he's at

the senior bowl, he's grad McConkey. Fuck. Elite. On point. No, I agree. Anybody else that really stretched you? I liked Michael Hall,

the defense attack out of Ohio State. He was a headache all day. National team of offense aligned. A big problem with him on the interior. So I thought that was a good performance from him. Bo Brady is the safety out of Maryland. How many bows are here? At least two,

Nix and Brady. Bo, which is he's a B-A-U guy. B-A-U. Bo-B-A-U. It never even occurred to me. Is B.O. short for something? Or is it just Bo?

I don't know. Talk to him. I mean, it probably depends, hyphs. Well, it would be short for Boseph? Bo Jangles. Bo. That's not how they got it, was it? No.

And became one word? No, we're just saying things that start with Bo. It's not real. Anyway, Bob Bray. I thought the Maryland safety. I thought he was a headache. He was a problem. He was good in coverage.

He was good in the box. He played well. Ricky Pearsall, who's the wider seat out of full. Florida. Ricky was a guy who stood out on Anthony Richardson film two seasons past and had a nice season this season. He had one of the most ridiculous catches you'll ever see in your life, too, by the way.

Inside Outside player. Not today, but in. And help by the helmet. Yeah. So Inside Outside Player, there, I like him quite a bit. I thought that he had a good day. Malachi Corley? Did he flash?

He had one good play. He's the Western Kentucky receiver. Yep. El Topper. Five, 10, 21, 15. 10, 215. 15. Oh, yeah.

We like that build. Not as dense as right. What's wrong with 510, 215, Solha? It's a good build. It depends. For wide receiver, wide receiver, you know, typically you say here's 63-195, you're 6, 3-200, 510, 2-15,

wide receiver before the catch, running back after the catch, right? He's a fun player to watch. Not as dense as Ray Davis. Oh, yeah, that's going to bring you up. We love a Ray Davis. 5-8-22. Oh, so these names, dude,

Ray and Ricky, I haven't met a Ray or Ricky under 40 years old my entire life. You're too keyed in on the names, man. Ray is just a name. Ray is a pretty normal name. You brought up. a guy named Ray 12 minutes ago, the journalist.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Ray Garron. No, but I think you, how old is he? I don't know, but I'm saying you've met a Ray.

I like, no, I like the name Ray. I just feel like Ray is like a 20-year-old name of Ray. It's been a middle of minutes since I met. Raymond.

Raymond. Yeah, Raymond. I haven't met Ricky. I love, no, I'm saying I love Ricky. But I think of like Ricky Henderson. I like to bring Ricky back.

There's just a lot of names. Like, there's so many names. So I like Ricky. Ricky's a great name for an athlete. So Ray Davis running back out of Kentucky And also Marshawn Lloyd, the running back at the U.S. I thought he was the best looking running back all day.

Number zero, too, by the way. Lloyd's kind of a little bit of an afterthought in that USC offense with Caleb throwing to Tosh Washington who's in this draft, Brennan Rice was in this draft. And then the fast young guy who's not in this draft, but is excellent, the hero that they have there. There's a lot of good players. Marshawn Lloyd, though, man, I mean, just a true fundamental back. He's got three down skills.

Lots of like about a little. He's a little bit smaller, shorter guy, but he breaks a lot of tackles. Yeah. He's a handful. I like Marshall and Lloyd today. Yeah, he was fantastic. So we'll do another episode. We're going to be here in Mobile.

So we'll do another episode in the Senior Bowl. We're going to hit after seeing more of these guys play. I want to talk about a couple of the NFL moves that happened today. So one interesting and one just absolutely hilarious thing happened. So Arthur Smith, the former coach of the Falcons, who D.K., what's the word? Hates. There it is. Was hired by the Pittsburgh Steelers to be the offensive coordinator.

It is a travesty that Craig is not here for the show today. Craig weirdly is in the doing the DC rewatchables two blocks from my apartment. Yeah. Dick, Craig is, Craig is literally like can see my apartment to go watch at the corner of the street. And then like, I'm in Mobile.

It's kind of bizarre. Yeah. But I cannot wait for Craig to come back with DK in the safe space before Craig. He'll never hear this. Without having to like cater to Craig's sensibilities, how does this make you feel that Arthur Smith will be on the Steelers running their offense?

Man, I'm just like really looking forward to drafting Calvin. Austin the third and Cam Hayward Darnell Washington maybe the Hayward brought the random Anthony McFarland Washington he's yeah he's the joke being all the backups

I kind of think it'll be someone smart smarter than me pointed out to me that like if Arthur Smith's challenge was like he doesn't play as good players it's kind of like Mike Tomlin's defining trait is he just keeps his good players on the field even when they're behaving like guano I will say I will say in going back

to the fans seem to know their teams best. And a lot of times you should just trust teams fans. When I was making some jokes about Arthur Smith getting an offensive coordinator job on Twitter. And there was actually quite a few Titans fans that came in and were like, he's a good OC. He just has no job. He has no. He should not be an offensive or he should not be a head coach because no one will tell him

no. If Tomlin's in there telling him, hey, man, can you give the ball to our first round picks and our really, really good players? Like maybe he'll actually do that. Yeah. I think I liked Arthur Smith, the OC at Tennessee a lot. And then I liked Arthur Smith, the initial play designer in Atlanta when like they were doing cool stuff with with their personnel they had.

As the seasons went on, I'm like, he just got way worse and worse like handling the reins of the team and like managing the team, getting them out of skids, managing personnel. Like I agree, the head coaching hat was not good for him. I'm excited to see what he does with Steelers personnel. I do think that there's going to be games where George Pickens goes with three targets and no catches. And I'm really interested to see how Tomlin, Smith, and Pickens. kind of handle those moments and he's already doing that yeah he's already going games with

you don't know catches i have a quarterback also now is right that's the dude i yeah i yeah i think the other thing just with arthur smith is we saw steve spagnolo flame out as head coach and he's been incredible coordinator for 15 years now and rhen morris flamed out too and as i mean morris is now head coach again for the falcons so replacing him so i you know as much as we've made fun arthur smith it's not insane that he's actually like going to be a good coordinator the other one that's kind of I don't know it's shocking, but Ben Johnson, the Maestro offensive coordinator of the Lions. Maestro? Fuck.

Dude, have you talked to anyone before you talked to us? Have you spoken to other people before you spoke to us on this show? Maestro? Who's allowing you to do this? This one's like worse than any of the others. Who raised you, I guess. I love you, Mrs. Isfitts? I love you.

Oh, my God. Danny Haifitz. myestro. It's because EI. Yeah. Anyway, Maestro.

Yeah, so Ben Johnson's back in that's the worst one I'm like second guessing myself. It's Maestro, right?

It's 100% the worst one I've ever had. Myestro. That sounds kind of cooler though. You said Craig's never going to listen

to this show. Craig's going to listen to this show now the very least this part. Okay, anyway, we're going to put this on mine, aren't we?

Yeah. Savant. What we're talking about? a savant mind. Yeah. Ben Johnson, coordinator for the Detroit Loins. Fair? Fair? So, like, actually scooped, who is it?

The Lions were taking Gibbs in the first round? No, Jameson Williams, when they traded it up. A couple years ago, you scooped that the, you literally, before Schaefter, before anyone, you knew that the Lions, and you tweeted out, the Detroit Lions were going to take James Williams, and then you tweeted out the Detroit Moines. Yeah, but you just said an a astro, so I don't know. No, I'm not a lie. I still get people, like, sending me the, there's like a fake logo of,

Detroit loins where it's like Detroit loins word mark Oh my god the dress in Detroit You should get this like tweet And then there's a pork tender loin And that's the image And I write I will write stories I wrote beautiful story about the Detroit lines this year

And just a top comment on the story It's just that image So it's just maestro Yes Meestro It's obviously like it's like you know AE is not a common like English I mean just sounds like

Maybe in I assume it's like an Italian word Yeah maybe in Italian it sounds more like how you're saying it. But generally speaking, Americans, say Maestro. All right, well, whatever. Anyway, Ben Johnson's not leaving Detroit. So apparently he wanted to go to Washington. We said on our last show, like, he's going to go to Washington. I can't believe it's my maestro.

Anyway, so he's going to go to Washington. So last year he did a smart thing. Ben Johnson was basically, I believe, offered the Panthers job. And he was like, oh, this looks awful. And I'll bet myself. Like, let's lay no. Like, you have options. I did it again.

And it's like. So what's going on there? It's kind of like, all right, now the tuxedo seem kind of fucked up. Yeah. It's like, so let me get this straight. I know Washington's a messed up team. Having said that, Dinsiders is gone. Josh Harris is, I mean, he's not like the worst owner.

Like he's probably already just existing in what we know about it for the sixers in the upper half of NFL ownership. He cares about winning and he's like made his own money. Like that's a good start. And then like you get the second pick in the draft, which means you get either Drake May, who is an incredible prospect falling to you. Or Caleb.

or Caleb Williams, who's from D.C. falling to you. Or Jane Daniels. None of the risk, though, of picking the wrong guy. Maybe the Jane Daniels is better. But if you take, like, Caleb Williams goes first. You take Drake May. Drake May goes first, Caleb Williams. Nobody will criticize you.

No one's going to criticize you for the pick. And you just get this team with, and I'm like, what are you waiting? Like, is he? So I'm like, is he crazy for turning this down? Or do you think it's like, actually, maybe being a coordinator with none of the stress to be head coach is awesome? It's tricky. I think that here's what I believe to be.

emphatically true about the Ben Johnson's circumstance because there's been a lot of cross-reporting and, you know, Washington getting their lease out, whatever. One, I think Washington wanted him for sure. Washington kind of like, there was a report that was like... Well, they were flying to him and he told him. Actually, why would you take the meeting? He was flying to Detroit

to visit both Johnson and Aaron Glenn. They were going to interview both of them. The defense support influence. And then while the plane was in the air with Washington brass to fly to Detroit to go interview the guy. Yeah, they're coming to him. Yeah, Johnson was like, so, hey, I'm withdrawing my name for the consideration, which is, either the worst thing ever or a complete baller move.

I'm kind of thinking of a thing. How did you let them get on the plane and then not have them land and like do the interviews? Sometimes you just have to get it out. Either it's the worst move ever. You like have no idea what you're doing. Like you panic to the element hour or it's deeply hilarious. You're like, wait, I'm going to tell them when they're in the air.

It's a good bit. So I don't know how I fall on it. What I do fall on is like Washington there was a report like, oh, you know, the price tag was too high. Phupkas. Don't buy that for a second. You've literally like, I've never ever heard in history. ever an NFL team being like he just cost too much money like maybe Harbaugh last year

they were flying there they want I don't I don't buy that for a second yeah I think Ben Johnson said no to Washington I think that Washington was counting their chickens this entire process and we're gonna get Ben Johns whenever his season's done and now they're kind of left with with you know what if Rahim Morris was their second pick what if Brian Kellyanham was their second pick like oh no they have to hire bill Bella shack we have to get the guy once so I definitely think Washington's caught with their pants around their ankles a little bit the Ben Johnson of it all. I met the guy,

did a piece on a guy, a big part of the piece was like, why are you still here, dude? Why did you not take the Panthers job? He looked in the eyes a lot, and you were like, oh. Yeah, big eye contact guy, Ben Johnson is,

which is fun. It's a good thing. I wish I was a big eye contact guy. I wish I was a big eye contact guy. But with Johnson, I mean, like, I definitely get the sense

that he does not feel like he needs to go be a head coach and go prove something and whatever. Like, he was in Miami for a long time, with a lot of different coaches and the organization that was like never good and never healthy seemed gone wrong a bunch of different ways. Like I think he'll take a job eventually, but I think he is legitimately happy being an OC.

Loves working for Dan Campbell, loves working with Jared Goff, loves being in a healthy organization for the first time in Detroit. And he feels no pressure to move on. And delivering Detroit to Super Bowl would be being a part of something larger than yourself. This is the best case scenario for the Lions too. It's huge of their lives. If they keep Glenn from Washington, which of our Washington right now would hire in Glenn. And the Seward culture like that probably should have called C word. that was got phrasing.

You know the C word. She's, that was, that was, that was the dumbest thing I've ever said. You said, my estra was worse.

Myestro. It was literally about 13 seconds ago. Are you sure? Yep. Pretty sure. So yeah, so I, it's huge for Detroit.

And, and with like, okay, what will Ben Johnson be for the head coaching market in 20, 24, 25?

He'll be right in there. Like, he absolutely will be. Like, he's going to get interviews and he might take a job. Maybe he'll wait another year. The idea that like,

oh, this is going to turn teams off from him is ludicrous to me. Like Josh McDaniels took the Colts job and then didn't take the Colts job and then you got the Raiders. You can do stuff. Yeah, exactly.

I think it's very, I think Josh is going to be a hot candidate whenever he wants to be. And if he takes a job that he likes, takes a job that he likes. All right. You guys got a couple of emails here. Before we get out of here. One,

I got it that didn't really last long. Someone emailed him named Kevin. Kevin said, Hyphitz is right. You obviously don't pronounce the L and Polk, but I haven't really earned much credence. Well, I'm glad that Kevin.

Yeah. That's awesome. I actually kind of think I'm in your camp now. I don't want to talk. Polk? The last few times I've said it, the L has gotten more silent every time. I'm not saying it's pronounced Polka. Like, you don't like give it a little thing.

Polka. But it's absolutely there. Polk. If you saw P.O.K. You're going hard on. Yeah. Well, it's Jalen Polk. You're saying the O.

You're just there. You just gave a little old. You're saying too much O. You're saying poke. If you saw the letters P.O.K. In order. You would say, poke. And if you see the letters P-O-L-K

in order, you say, Polk. It very clearly affects the sound that you make. Yeah, the O sounds different than how you're saying it, I think. Yeah. It's less about the L and more about the O. Very clearly matters in the pronunciation. You're like, poke. Yeah. It's softer. Like, Bugs Bunny, that's all folks.

Oh, did I say the L there? Yeah, you did. Yeah, you said it. Is that how I said it the first time? I don't know. It's not that you're saying the L in the same way that you say the L and like, ladder. It's just that the L very clearly changes the way the O and the K relate to one another. Yeah, yeah. We need an actual... It's a chemical thing. The L is impacting the pronunciation.

I'm done. That's what people love the show. It's the only podcast of the world whose host can't really speak English. Like, I can't... Constantly get words wrong. Native language. So, all right. Other email. Okay, so you weren't here for this. We have to catch it?

You know, have you heard of the term, like, nervous shits? Nope. Like, just you're nervous, like people before a big game, like, got a shit. You ever feel like you have to go the bathroom before you, like, did your big races in high school? No. Dude, Craig and D.K. said this.

I thought they were, like, an alien planet, but they were like, this is real. That doesn't surprise me. Like, you just nerves, you're just amped up. You just got like, like, like, do stuff. But nervous peeing, I feel like, is like, is like, that's what I. Oh, my God. This is why you're on the show. That's exactly.

I said nervous peeing. Okay. So, for different folks. Okay. What if I told you, that was good. That we got more emails about nervous shits than I think we got. anything in the year of 2023. And did people confirm that it's a real thing?

100, like, yes, yes. Because it is. A lot of nervous poopers are out there. Dozens of people being like, like, yes, this is absolutely a thing. And like you get in like with so many emails, I joke to dig it, we could do an entire episode on the amount of emails we got.

What are we titled that episode? Yeah. Well, this one is the one I'm going to read. It's from Ariel. Ariel. Ariel? Ariel. Probably said it.

It's totally wrong. It's probably like Ariel or something. All right. My name is Ariel. Oh, sorry, sorry. I like the idea of starting an email. My name is Ariel.

I like the idea of us. I like the idea of us trusting every hyphen pronunciation. Because he always like, here's who wrote this email as Ariel. And you're like, don't read the name. And they might be totally wrong. It's like,

Tomas. All right. So wait, so the subject line is, the subject of the email is, I can't believe my first email to you is about nervous shits. Ariel writes, Hi, guys. We get that a lot.

I'm a therapist who specializes in treating anxiety. I thought they were going to say nervous shits. Treating anxiety in children and adolescents. Usually my area of expertise does not overlap with the things you ask for emails about. Which I felt like kind of a dig. She says, but here we are to give you some psycho education, which is information about a psychological phenomenon or psychological symptom. Nervous shits are extremely real, and you wouldn't believe how much of my time I spend talking about nervous shits with people.

I love this. Here's why this happens. Serotonin is a neurotransmitter, a, chemical messenger that affects mood and anxiety. And although serotonin lives in your brain, about 95% of the body's serotonin is produced in the gut.

Shout out to Craig. Keep drinking that pre-biotic. Oh my God. A throwback. A good callback. It's incredible email. Yeah. The serotonin being made in your gut

is why people with anxiety and some other. mental health issues, very commonly experience gastrointestinal issues because this can be any number of symptoms, gas, floating, diarrhea, vomiting. All that, yeah. Yeah, when your body's experiencing high level of anxiety, stress than normal, like playing in an NFL playoff game, it's very likely that you will experience a somatic symptom. And for many people, because of the serotonin in your gut, that's going to be nervous.

So obviously, some people will puke when they're nervous. Yes. And that's the thing. It's like, it's literally, it's like, there's a mind over body. It's body over mind. Josh Allen throws up before games. And you're like, oh, he's nervous. You're like, no, it actually is like a physical reaction to what,

which is kind of kind of wild. Yeah, and you guys didn't believe it. I didn't not believe it. I just don't do it. I never, yeah, I don't. That's fine. I didn't say, I was, I'd never heard it. No, you didn't believe it.

I'm with him. I'd like to check the game because I feel like you didn't believe it. Well, I, no, that's why I did when both of you said it. What are the odds of both you, you like, fine, I didn't believe it. Turns out pretty good odds. Unbelievable. Please emails at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com more about your nervous shits. Like I just,

email us about the phone. Emails, yeah. You know, go whatever you want. Thank you for the email. I was in very important. Shout out of Ariel. All right. I think we should get out of here.

NFLdraft.com. That's where DK's draft guide is. It's incredible. Top 32 big board scouting reports. He's the comp. It's the best comparisons in the game. It really is. You keep getting down.

You keep getting emojis on that. On the video. So we're doing this video. Oh, because I make a thumbs up. It's some symbol that you do. This is what I'm. Emails at Ring of Fantasy Football at Gmail.com. If you're work,

if you do Zoom or Google Hangouts and you do like hand signals and you've turned on like the bubbles or like the. There it is. Yeah. If you have like made. Like did you guys see in the pandemic, the lawyer who was like, you know,

and everything went virtual like April 2020. A lawyer was in a deposition and his like six year old kid and put the rabbit filter or the cat. He was like, he was like, the judge was like, what's the, you do this. He's like, oh, I'm sorry, your honor. It's a cat.

Dude, that is all. Every single feature that has been added to a video conferencing program or website is bad. No one's ever wanted features. A hundred percent of them are bad. Even my background is a beach. I haven't needed that since I was 13. I'm like, we don't need features. I kind of like the on iPhone when you like send someone like with effects or whatever. Those are pretty sick. Other people use them. I'm always like, I should use that more. Yeah. But then I forget the buttons there. Yeah. I'm like, oh, I'm saying that. Boing.

All right. All right. Thank you, DK. Thank you so luck. Thank you to Tucker. Kai for producing this episode. Thank you,

and again, thank you, Tucker for an unusual amount of help behind the scenes to make this one go. Yeah, it looks great. Well, people are listening.

Yeah, it is, though. And, God, you're doing the balloons. Whoa. I'm just looking at all the cameras. Yeah, thank you, Craig. You're hearing spirit.

Thank you, everyone for listening. Thank you, especially anyone emails and goes to NFLdraft. org. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, Blink,

1,000. Heard of them. Nice. Heard of them. Big for me. Heard of them. Heard of them. I mean, that's a plus.

A lot of that time, that's not the case. I've heard of John Claude Van Damme do. Oh, yeah. What's the stat it? Yeah. So one of your comps of the guide, who is it for? Laotia, Lato. Lato.

UCLA, Eddrushar? And I comped him to John Cod Van Dam because I was watching Bloodsport. And there's a ridiculous scene where he's like training to do this, you know, combat fight. And he's blindfolded the whole. whole time. He's just doing like the hand chops. And Latsu's got gray hand chops. And then

he's gray with his hands. Solek kind of was super silent. We kind of turned around. Yeah, I got no reaction out of Solek when I said John Claude Van Damme. I think Solek probably thought it was like one of the ore miners from Colorado school. Do you know who John Claude Van Dam is? I'm not going to lie. I haven't seen Bloodsport, but I know who Jean-Claude Van Damme is.

If you asked me how Bloodsport was, I wouldn't even know. If it was like a movie, TV show, book, song, got no idea. That's the next episode this week. John Claude Van Damme, though. That's a good name. Yeah, big time. I put him high on my draft board. Big time.

That's brutal. Do you know, I think the first time I saw Jean-Claude Van Damme, I think he did a cameo in Friends. I think that's how I learned who he was. Oh, wow. That's the actor's name of the actor. I thought it was name of the character. That guy's real name is John Lovina.

I know, right? Hot dog. I think his real name is something else. I see. I don't know if it's actually as a real name. Like Bruce Willis's his name is Walter. Walter Willis. Walt Willis.

That's not a bad name. Well, I think Walter White made Walter Walter Walter Walter something cool. that Walter White break the bat if Walter Wittles was kind of a dirty name.

Yeah, yeah, that's actually a good plan. I agree with you that one. All right, goodbye, everyone. Must be 21 plus and present in select states.

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