The Ringer NFL Show - Fantasy Championship Chaos and Week 18 Winners and Losers

Episode Date: January 10, 2023

We start off by addressing an unprecedented ending to a fantasy football season—following the canceling of the Bills-Bengals Week 17 game—and the chaos that ensued in thousands of fantasy championship matchups. We later recap the end of the regular season and highlight the biggest winners and losers from the week, including Brock Purdy’s incredible run, the Texans blowing the no. 1 pick, the Cardinals firing Kliff Kingsbury, and Brandon Staley refusing to sit his starters. Email us! [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Jessie Lopez Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What's up everybody? It's Austin Rivers from the Minnesota Timberwolves. It's a new year and I have a new podcast here at the Ringer, Offguard, hosted by me and my guide Pasha Higigee. Austin and I go way back and talk so much hoop already that we figure it was time to fire up the mics and let you in on all of these conversations. Every week, Pasha and I will hit on the biggest stories happening in the league. And get Austin's perspective of someone currently hooping in the NBA.

Tap into Offguard every Friday on the Ringer NBA show feed on Spotify or wherever you get your podcast. Fantasy football show. My name is Danny Hibon. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Whirl. But the regular season is over. It's in the books. Wednesday's episode, we're going to be doing the fantasy rewatchables.

We're going to be recapping the entire season in the style of the rewatchables. One of the best podcasts we have here at the Ringer, which Craig produces. That's one of the most fun podcasts we do all year, so that'll be out Wednesday. Today, we're going over everything week 18, everything we didn't get to hit last week.

Wow, a lot of things have happened. It's a very strange week. I will first start off by saying, sorry I was not around last week. I got COVID, and so I was just down for the count for a few days there, and that affected our schedule. So apologies for that. Apology, not receptive.

Yeah, as we have learned, it's your fault for getting sick. That's been like, you know, a big theme. So, Dick, I'm glad you're feeling better now. That's what happens when we get you on the finest Ivermectin that money can buy. So, no, I'm glad you're feeling better. But, yeah, now we can finally talk about a legitimately, like, unprecedented ending of this fantasy season. So obviously we haven't done a show since because Bill Spangled game was canceled

and then obviously the Marse Hamlin's situation threw everything for loop and then by the time he got better, DK got sick, but we can talk about this now. At this point, everyone knows the deal, you know, obviously he's doing much, much better now, which is important and obviously in our Hamlin's health. It's like, yeah, obviously it's the most important thing. It seems

like we are approaching on the range of outcomes here like we're teetering right toward like the best possible outcome here, which is incredible. Not to mention like so many great things happened to around his recovery. Obviously, his toy charity went through the roof. He had like a $2,000.

You know, that was his goal. And he handed up making, what, $7, $8 million on that? Yeah, yeah. The first play of the Bills game, the Naheem Hines kick return for a touchdown at Buffalo is incredible. So it's been really great to see everything, his recovery as well. What a freaking moment that was.

Holy cow. It was amazing. I'm not going to lie. Last week I was telling you that I've had like two or three very small moments in my life that maybe like believe in God. And like, I'm not going to lie. That was like my first thought after Nehemines ran this. And I'm not particularly like.

hype. It's when it happened, I turned around to Liz, and I was like, you know, this is the type of shit that makes me be like, there's something going on. What are you up to? What are you up to? Universe? No, but really, you know there had been four, because also kickoff return, my voice cracked. It's okay. It's emotional. They don't happen on touchdowns. There only had been four kickoff return touchdowns all year. And then they just, the bills just go and do it on the opening kickoff. That was, and then they had two in the game. He got another one.

It got another one. Well, I'm not a lot. I had John. Josh Allen, we can get into this, but I had Josh Allen and Diggs in a championship because we were using week 18 points for week 17. And the first one is like, this is nice. And the second one was like, this is still nice. But man, really wish that Josh Allen would get the ball. After a touchback. I was the only person in the world not happy about that. I was going up against Naim Hines.

I was banking on like one or zero points and he gets two freaking touchdown. Oh my God. It made me sweat. Everyone in the world's like, wow, like God is real. and D.K.'s like, God is dead. Who was starting Naim Hines in their delayed championship matchup? It's a league where we have 13 starters,

so it's, you know, very deep rosters or whatever. So, yeah. Is there a better argument that fantasy football is trash and it ruins football than D.K. not being happy about the Nihimans. No, truth be told, I actually did not real. I forgot that Hines was playing.

And so I was super excited. And then I saw it. I was like, oh, shit. So it was initially very excited. actual proof that I've been rewatching Game of Thrones too and it feels like one of the moments where they're like, nope, nope, there is a god I'm like, I'm going to pick it. All right, let's keep, but we should get a memento tattoo for that for last season.

That should be our last memento tattoo. It's like, God is real. That should be. Don't forget that. And he hates you? But what if he hates you? I mean, he or she. Even more important to keep that in mind. He or she. She will smite you. Arguably even more important to know that God's real

if God hates you. Okay, anyway, I don't know how we're got to get this. Anyway, so all that's to say that obviously real life is important and fantasy football is not important. Having said that once it became clear that DeMarie Hamlin was okay, improving. And then the games were happening. It was like, okay, everyone in their fantasy football leagues like, we got to figure out what we're doing here. So we're in a league where I think a lot of people ended up. Because also this kept changing a lot, right? Where it's, you know, there was where the game's going to be played? What are the outcomes? What are the motivations for? Are they going to change week 18? Yeah. We're in a league where we just had the Bills and Bengals players. Their scores counted back to Week 17. What did you guys, what were your leagues like? What did you guys end up doing? I apologize to everyone who, we wish we could have come to you earlier in the week last week.

But what did you guys end up doing in your leagues? Honestly, part of the reason I don't even think we would have helped last week anyway is every league to me is very unique in terms of how they dealt with this. I'm in a bunch of leagues, as you guys know. And like no one league did the same thing. Like, everybody did something different. I swear to God. Imagine D.

22 group chats going to kind of figure this out. I wouldn't even imagine. Just chaos. Wait, did you actually have 22 groups? I just occurred to me. It didn't affect every league. But part of the reason I think it's almost like giving start-sit advice. Every league is different because every league has a different dynamic with what's going on with the championships and how they deal with this type of thing.

There were some leagues where the person who was leading going into that Monday night game was so far ahead. basically the loser just conceded and said, I was never going to catch so-and-so anyway. So I'm conceding and I lose and therefore he's the champion. There's a lot of leagues and I did this in several different leagues where we just decided to split the pot and there's different ways to do that. You can do it 50-50.

You could do it based on the probabilities of projections. That was one of the solutions people use and then obviously you guys like you guys did. You pushed it into week 18. I think that was another pretty common one. I do feel that in most cases pushing the Bengals Bengals players to

week 18 and retroactively using their points to add to your week 17 score makes the most sense and it was honestly a little shocking at times especially in certain leagues I was in

to see people pushing against that it's clearly the most logical solution in my mind and honestly there was a lot of like stop the vote people a lot of people winning

when that Bill's Bengals gang got canceled and they're like hey we don't need to add Josh Allen and Joe Burroughs scores next week like hey shit happens

let's call it now And I did not stand for that Just as eventually prevailed But that was Craig, to be honest with you A lot of my leagues just did that Like that is bad shit crazy To me points are irrelevant If you were being Carrie Lake

If you were being Carrie Lake about Well, this person almost died And therefore I will use this to my benefit Even though if the situation were reversed I would not be saying any of this Like I'm not going to blast Craig Whoever your friend was in that other league you had Or they just wanted to give digs

And all the players It was Alan Burrow and Chase. They wanted to give them all zeros with your lawyerly ass answer of like, well, the NFL officially gave them zeros. And so blah, blah, blah. I'm like, dude, can someone almost like died on the field? Like, get a fucking grab.

And you know what's scary about that hype? You know why I have no faith in America? We put up a vote. It almost lost. It won by one vote to count the players. Let me real quick. Here's where I think there is a little bit of gray area and why I said I think it's unique to every league

what you decide. Craig, in your situation in that particular scenario, the guy, your play, someone in your league had two, in a Superflex league had both his quarterbacks. Both quarterbacks and were really good quarterbacks. Right, both really good quarterbacks and another player. That's the league right now. So to me in that situation, it's clear and obvious.

You can't call it. You can't call those zeros. I just don't see why in any situation it doesn't make sense just let the players who were supposed to play play and see what happens. However, I will say, just to finish my thought, like if it was like one player, like a T. Higgins, for instance, that you have left in your game, and that, like, you decide that player's just not going to get any points this week.

That's like what happened. It's bad luck. But like T. Higgins, two weeks ago got zero because he got hurt and warmups. Like, shit happens. You know what I mean? So, like, I think there is a gray area here. That's cool. No, no, no, no, no.

We all sign up for that. That's fine. Like shit happens. Like, oh my God. No, he had one catch for seven yards in week 18. They canceled the game. They canceled a game because someone literally had to be resuscitated with like AED on the field. Like someone who's died.

This is an act of God. Like if the team plays an entire game and your player can't play for whatever reason, injury, what have you personal reasons? That's what you sign up for that's baked in. The team played the game. You need an opportunity for your players to play in the game. I'm playing devil's advocate. I didn't actually do this in any of my leagues.

but I'm just saying this happened in a lot of my leagues. In my commission leagues, I either split the pot or we moved to week 18. However, a lot of leagues just canceled that. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, to be honest. I feel like I'm saying crazy. You know what the reason that makes me so mad about this is if people had,

if the situation reversed, anyone is arguing, well, they got zeros and like, you know, that's life. If it happened to you and your players were happening, there's zero chance people would make that case. And what bothers me is, it is a fucking game that you play with your friends. And when someone actually almost dies to not just be a goddamn adult

and metaphor, like, if Zach Taylor in real life walked across the field, Sean McDermott be like, what do we want to do here? The fact that you couldn't do that in your own fantasy league is like pathetic to me. And so everyone that actually argued for like zeros so that you could win

and you try to use this to your benefit, all will remind you is that as we established earlier, God is real. So Craig, you had some very strong discreements in your league. I would say almost all my leagues were it was like everyone was like, yeah, let's do that. That's fine. Like no one really argued that. You're an adult.

It's actually spread. Like, I feel like that's what you should be mad. And people were like really strongly one way or another. Yes. In fact, correct. I was, I was livid to be honest. I was like, am I on a TV show right now? Like, how are we not?

They're like, I don't know, man. Like, maybe they should just like split the pot or something. I'm like, no. Let these players play in the game. And they're like, I don't know, but the week 18 matchups different than the week 17 matchup, like that matters? I'm like, no, it doesn't. That is like 58 on the matter of, on the list of things that, like, affect a matchup. Again, fantasy is like the smallest form of self-government we actually have in American society. And it's just like you and your 10 friends.

And I now have no faith in government. Yeah. Some people were like, you know what, let's get along, like this is healing and somewhere like the Brazilian parliament. Can I just say that? So we went through like a 24-hour battle, right, in this group chat. And at the very end, I sent what I basically told you guys what the situation was. And I stayed impartial. I didn't tell you which side I was leaning to. Danny Kelly responded first and responded, you know, in favor of what I wanted. I sent that screenshot to my group chat. And then like half the people were like, okay, I feel better now. Okay. That makes me feel better. I'm like, God. So in the actual game, and again, the other thing we didn't mention, but it's worth saying about that made all this

harder is that honestly, the right answer I think kept changing. In the middle of the week, when a lot of this didn't become clear, it was like, all right, like, you know, maybe we split the pot, whatever, we won't make a decision of the NFL does. The NFL cancels the game, but it wasn't clear what the motivations would be really until the NFL ended up coming out with, like, the scenarios.

And because if they had just done the winning percentage thing, the Bengals would have won the Ravens game, but then they're like, there's a coin toss so the Bengals are going to play, and then the bill. And so it wasn't really clear that, A, the Bills would be up for playing, and that the Bengals and Bills would both be motivated. It wasn't extremely clear until later

what the stakes of each game were. And so, you know, he kind of came down to the wire on like Saturday, Sunday with that decision. So that made it hard, too. The actual games got played. Josh Allen and Stefan Dix crushed it. Jamar Chase crushed it. Joe Burrow did not have a great fantasy game.

Joe Burrow missed by like, I don't know, three yards, like five, like three different touchdowns that were like 40 yards each. Joe Burrow literally would have had like 140 more yards and three more touchdowns by a combined. like four yards of like air. He just missed these passes. And so like he would have had a completely different game.

So would Higgins and Chase. But like overall, it was like, oh yeah, that's why this was such a big deal. It was like all the players involved in this game were like maybe the best or second best player on everyone's teams. Sever Higgins who had one catch. Higgins had one catch.

But again, he should have had two touchdowns and 60 yards and more missed and twice. It was like it would have been completely different. Yeah. So anyway, okay. So all that said, it is honestly fantastic that as awful as what happened in Marhamlin was. That was like, you know, almost the worst of football has to offer.

And then some of the best of humanity came out afterward. It's great that he's okay. And can't emphasize enough. Shame on all you lawyerly people who are trying to argue the zero seat. It happened a lot. I'm telling you. The lowest of the low. So disappointed.

Okay. Anyway, let's get to the losers, a week 18 honest so the real true loser right now Cliff Kingsbury got fired from the Cardinals that happened today we're recording Monday January 9th and then General Manager Steve Kimes

is going to step down Dick I'm curious if you thinker I mean I have my thoughts but to just set the table Cliff Kingsbury's now has been a head coach for 10 seasons between Texas Tech and Arizona he's had a losing season seven of those 10 I'm curious what your first

thought was with Cliff Big Finer My first thought is to go look for the tweet from the Cardinals 10 months ago when they re-signed both of these guys to extensions for no apparent reason. It's just such a bizarre series of events. Clearly he was not doing a very great job. He was definitely not doing a great job. He was arguably not even doing a good job. And then they extended both of these guys, him and Kai.

And then now less than a year later, they're both fired. Well, Kime, I guess, is stepping down, but whatever. Fired is probably more accurate. my second reaction was that for Kingsbury like probably kind of a relief like my first literally like the first thing I thought of was like it's got to be tough to coach kinder

like the relationship is just so strained constantly they're not on the same page they're like basically planting shit in the media you know against each other like it's I don't know to me it might just be a relief that you got fired it's like when a man like starts dating a woman who already has a kid and you just like don't get along with the kid, you finally break up, you're like,

Jesus Christ, this is not to do that anymore. Dude, that is one hell of a analogy, but yeah. Jeremy Fowler at ESPN had this great report that was, it was like a few weeks about Cliff Kingsbury. And Cliff Kingsbury actually started a press conference. And someone was like, see, yes, you've been a coach for, you know, a minute

between Cardinals and Texas Tech, and Cliff Kingsbury cut him off. He's like, it's not been a minute. It's been 10 years. It felt like 100, though. I mean, he looks tired. He looks more tired, than any other coach. I think being a coach is pretty hard. You know, looking back now, I'm like,

wow, Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, Andy Reid. These guys are psychopaths. I mean, look what's going on with Tomazir. We don't know if he's coming back. All these young guys are like, man, this is brutal. I was going to do this later, but since you mentioned McVeigh, the idea that McVeigh is going to step down, I like that Mike Florio apparently clarified that, like,

McVe, not because he's burned out. Because they suck. Yeah, it's because they're bad. Because it's a terrible situation. He doesn't want to hang around. He's not even using the excuse of like, you know, they're offering me more money, I'm going to retire, I spend more time my family. It literally's like, they suck.

And I was like, that's such a millennial thing to do. There was no... Fuck the lemons and bail. I don't buy that, by the way. I think it's a factor. I don't buy that as the sole reason. I'm not... That's crap.

I actually think, you're right. It's the rare circumstance where, like, you know what no one actually wants is to cite burnout when you're literally the youngest head coach in the NFL? Which he still is, by the way. Is he? Damn.

He is, 36 years old. He's retiring because he's tired. He doesn't want to coach for like 25 years. That was never in his plans. And I think right now it's been a really, Jordan Rodriguez wrote a good piece about it. I mean, he's had a really kind of crazy last 12 months. I mean, his grandfather died.

He got married. His wife is Ukrainian. The Super Bowl with the come down, they've been terrible this year, all the injuries to his team. It's just been like a really hectic month for him. And I think, or a year for him.

And I think that he's just reevaluating kind of where he wants to go. Like, I don't think he's just like negotiating to get a bigger deal with Monday night football, right now. I honestly don't believe that's it. I think he's genuinely kind of at a crossroads and understands that there's a lot of people that depend on him with the Rams and he's an empathetic guy. So he doesn't want to string that along. I just genuinely think he has a lot on his mind. The reality with McVeigh is that he can literally take five years off, re-evalued his life,

make twice as much money to do a quarter of the work, like, you know, start a family, do whatever wants to do, come back, still be relatively young for when people get head coach. It'd be like the third-year-old job in five years. Yes. Like, that's a serious thing. I think that whatever he had done last year, obviously might have been better if he had taken that Amazon job for $20 million a year and not been the coach. But whatever he was going to do was going to regret. Like this year obviously burnout disaster.

If you're taking the money, part of you is always going to wonder, did I just walk away as a rating Super Bowl champ at like 35? You know what I mean? You're always going to wonder if you could have made the playoffs and done better. Like whatever you do, there's always the other side. All right. Millennial, though, big millennial move.

The other thing I just want to say about Kingsbury real quick, I couldn't believe the stat of them. So they fired Cliff. Cardinals, sneakily, one of the oldest franchises. You think about the Packers, the Bears, the Giants. Cardinals have actually been around for over 100 years. They've never had a coach for more than six seasons. So I think that's the short answer of what's wrong with the Cardinals.

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their playoff position. Obviously, there's this question like, oh, do you want to have guys come out like, whatever, flat in the playoffs? You know what I mean? There's just a million narratives that go along with this. But like him playing

in particular, Mike Williams and Echler in this game and Keenan Allen and Justin Herbert, unforgivable. Like, yeah, and Herbert. What are you doing? It makes me so mad. I was half-a-pllectic during this game.

I like the charges. I root for them. And I'm getting more and more annoyed with Brandon Staley every week. Mike Williams and Keenan Allen have played, what, like five games together this year? They've been hurt the whole fucking year.

What are you doing? Justin Herbert has like eight working ribs. Sure. Justin Herbert has like eight working ribs. This game means nothing to them. They're playing the Broncos. Boat finally comes back. He gets banged up.

They have to pull him from the game. And we're midway through the third. They're down 10, and Herbert is still playing. They actually even pulled Herbert to bring in Chase Daniel, and Keenan Allen stayed. Keenan was a fourth. It was a touchdown in, like, the last three minutes in the game or something. It was ridiculous. And Mike Williams got hurt as well.

So, congrats. Mike Williams has back spasms, and Joey Bose is banged up. So they're probably going to lose the Jags now. With the idea that there's a caveat of, like, I understand the idea, you know, we were texting with Bill about this and just like the teams don't know them may have had it practice anymore, and teams do want to get contact. And also, let's be real, the Chargers have. have had a rep, like, under Staley,

they had a reputation for being soft, and so, like, I think that there's probably some mentality. I get all that. Again, I'm a Giants fan. The Giants that already played a somewhat meaningless Week 17 game against the Patriots and won the Super Bowl. I get all that. Having said that, doesn't apply if your biggest problem is injuries. You know what I mean? Like the Giants

are rested, they play their third stringers and Kenny Gallaudet, which is hilarious against the Eagles, because they're hurt. And the Chargers literally the last, it's more than five, eight, nine years of Chargers' history, is almost entirely defined by end-of-game, like, boneheaded collapses, and losing weird games and injuries.

Every Chargers campaign almost for like eight years has been like derailed or almost derailed by crazy bad injury luck. And I know you can't come into season or like be afraid of shit. But like it was kind of, you go into the, it's kind of like the charges, Chargers where it's just like, oh yeah, the only team that needs to get healthier. They got themselves a by week and just didn't use it. They overthought it. Staley's like two in his own head now.

I really think that. He's all turned around. He doesn't know which way is up. This team is the most cursed team in the league, injury-wise, and they're going to play a Jags team that, by the way, delivered them their biggest loss in this season.

The Jaggs beat the charges 38 to 10, like eight weeks ago. So maybe you'd think, let's get to this game healthy with Mike Williams back and Joey Bosa back. No, no. I just think, look, there's always a gray area with this stuff,

but to me it's black and white. Sit Mike Williams. He's been fucking hurt all year long, his whole career and Allen. He's old and has had hamstring issues this year, right? Yes.

And then sit Echler because he doesn't fucking need, like he doesn't need to stay on the top of his, he's not going to, nothing's going to happen if he misses one game. He'll be fine next week. You know what I mean? Like at least those three guys.

And then obviously Herbert, I think you can play him for like a quarter or something. I was going to say the middle ground is if you want guys to mentally stay in the prep mindset of prepping for a game and going through the practice,

like keep them in rhythm. Play him for a couple drives pole. or honestly, I do think you know who crushed it this week? Brian Dable, who didn't even bother playing Tyrod Taylor. He just played Davis' frickin' web. And they almost kind of won.

It was like 19 to 9 in the fourth. Played better than when they played the fucking starters against the Eagles. Incredible. All right. But again, the Chargers ahead of the playoffs. The other team?

The Cowboys Cowboys right before the playoffs. Time is a flat circle. This game was like shocking. I have a question as a preamble to this because I didn't watch this game closely, I was focused on some of the other games. Were the Cowboys trying? That was my impression.

Were they actually trying to win this game? Because they had all their starters in. It was just so bizarre. What the fuck happened in this game? So the Cowboys lost 26 to 6. And again, I can't stress enough. The Cowboys were trying because of the Eagles lost, the Cowboys like Sam, you know,

the Cowboys had playoff position to gain. They, with a coach that didn't know they could be eliminated. Like the Washington, Ron Rivera, didn't know they were eliminated last week. Now Washington's eliminated. playing Sam Howell. First career start for Sam Howell. Fifth rounder.

26 to 6. Dak Prescott had very possibly the worst game of his entire career in this game, probably the worst half of his career in the first half. There are so many things about this game. The two things I will just harp on, Dak Prescott, I don't if you guys saw it. Did you see he basically like through the classic like, Outbreaking cornerback breaks in a route,

picks it. He threw that, and it got, like, wiped out with a penalty. Or a drop, I forget. And then he just, the same thing just happened again. He just did it again. And Kendall Fuller just picksixed him again. And then they also couldn't run the ball. Zeke Elliott had 1.3 yards per carry,

which I don't even know if that's plural, 1.3. He had 1.3 yard per carry. And then Tony, they can't run the ball. Dack is malfunctioning. And then the cow, and now here's thing, it's a flat circle. The first game of the season the Cowboys had, they went to the Bucks that got smacked by the Bucks.

Now they have to go play Tom Brady on the road in the first round of the playoffs. This is crazy. Doesn't it feel like this season in the playoffs? Like, how many favorites do you actually feel good about in the playoffs right now? Like, the charges are only getting, are laying two and a half first to Jags.

That's a fishy line. We got this Vikings' Giants thing, weird line. And now we have this Cowboys' Bucks game. I honestly almost feel like the underdogs are going to win every game in Wild Car Weekend. I mean, think about the basics of what you just said. As you mentioned, the Jaguars, we know, the Jaguars are hosting, but regardless of the Jaguars smacked the Chargers when they played.

Admittedly, though, a lot of, this was a long time ago, but the Jags smacked the Chargers, the Bucks smacked the Cowboys, I know that was September, and the Giants lost to the Vikings, but like literally, what was that, 61-yard field goal? to beat the fight and like as time expired like that was a very close game yeah so like I mean all these teams have played each and then all these teams have played each other really well and I will say there's also a weird amount of divisional games this weekend which I do think are always more unpredictable like the Seahawks 49ers oh yeah it's like Dolphins bills Ravens bangles yeah it's a lot going on so we can do the playoff games at the end but yeah

should we do like a quick like fraud ranking of the playoffs teams yeah like a mini power hour ranking. Craig, you live for this. Who are you most excited to bet on? Well, the cowboys. What a late search for the cowboys. You know how like Apollo Ono used to always just hang in the back and then like on the last lap?

You're like, and here comes, oh no. That's how I thought about the Cowboys this week. It's like, oh, my God. The Cowboys are the most fraudulent team in the lake? I still think we got to give it to the Vikings because their point differentials like 87 and they're 12 and 4. But I think Dallas is right up there with number two. now.

So I'm going to go power ranking most fraudulent teams. Vikings won. Cowboys two. I think I've got to give it to the Ravens. I mean, maybe they don't even count because Lamar's been hurt for so long, but I just say, are the Ravens frauds if everyone looks at that team is like, they suck? Yeah, that's what I was going to say. There's such frauds that they're not even frauds anywhere because everyone thinks they suck.

But they just kind of kept winning. So they're like, they would just win every game 13 to 10 over the last five weeks. Yeah, they'd score like on their final drive. So I think those are my top three fraud rankings. The Giants are not in it. The Giants have expelled themselves from fraud rankings. They are not fraudulent. People know who they are.

Like, I'm not going to give it to the Seahawks, great. I don't know if the Seahawks are fraudulent. They went nine and eight. They snuck in. They're just kind of plucky. They're like, sure. We'll go to playoffs. Yeah.

You know. I think that's it. I think that's top three. And then can we have the reverse fraud ranking, which I don't know what that is, but it's like the like, the dark horse team. Yeah,

yeah. It's like, the teams you don't want to play. Teams you don't want to play but are not going to be favored. It's the Giants and the Bucks. Right? Dude,

I love the Giants, but like, dude, I actually think, so the Giants are 60 to 1 to win the Super Bowl, which I'm not going to like, I didn't know you could get 60 to 1

for a playoff team. Like, that's like, you better bet that. Well, I think I'm going to. Yeah. But the,

the Bucks, you got 30 to 1 on Tom Brady with the Super Bowl. He's in the playoffs. I look at this and it's like, again, I'm aware the bucks are awful. They're not playing well. Tom Brady's in the playoffs.

He's literally the last person you want to play in the playoffs, period. Like, I don't care what team he's on. And again, my favorite Tom Brady analogy ever was DK. And he's on the same team. I know. He's on the same roster. We just don't care. We just don't care.

And we're like, oh, whoa, blah. It's like, dude, it literally takes one quarter of the bucks to figure out their offense. Forever going to be like, uh-oh. Like, they just stop calling plays and let Brady fucking do it at the line.

I know. Then they're good. All of a sudden, it's weird. It's crazy. The Cowboys have, have two times better odds to win the Super Bowl than the bucks.

That is appalling. Cowboys are plus 1,300. The bucks are plus $2,800. Craig has been both appalled and apoplectic in this pod. I love that. I'm dismayed and appalled, confounded.

Oh, my God. All right. So, Seahawks have the worst. odds are 65 to 1. I mean, that's fair. Do we want to wait, Jesse, you want to hop on real quick

in top of this 49ers Seahawks matchup? Because Jesse produces, he's a 49ers fan. Honestly, ever since Jesse started wearing this George Kittle hat, George Kittles straight up in the best hideout in the NFL. Oh my God.

I love it back. What's up, Jesse? How do you feel about this Niners Seahawks matchup? So, once Wilson let the Seahawks, I kind of was like, you know what, they're right. I was never a fan of

Seahawks when Russell Wilson was there primarily because he always beat the 49ers and they were so good. And they were just like that much better. I mean, it made for great games that the last game of the season was it like a couple years ago where it literally went down to the inch of the end zone where Drey Greenlaw hit. I can't remember who the title was. That was crazy. Great games. Yeah. Oh, my gosh.

Yeah. It was insane. Even for insane games. And the games haven't been that much crazier. But I mean, I'm for it. It's a little worrisome because it's hard to beat a team three. times in one season. That's such a dig, though.

I love that. That's such a back-ended. That's like the only thing Seacch fans have going for them right now is that like, we were so excited that we got into Pallas. This literally happened to me last night, like texting on my Seahawks chain. And I was super excited to get in the playoffs.

And then I realized who we were playing. And I was like, fuck. I love that, though. Jesse, it's like what D.K said. They're plucky. It's like, nobody hates the Seahawks. They're like the side character in a rom-com who like gets to like the other girl at the end too.

You're like, oh, cool. I'm happy for that. Well, also, football is such a funny sport where I do actually kind of put credence in like the, it's hard to beat a team three times. But only in football where I'm a Giants fan and I'm already looking past the Vikings, the Eagles. And it's like, only in football, you're like,

well, here's the thing. They already beat us twice. So, you know, we basically have the advantage. They have, they're playing with house money. That's the one thing they have going for them. The 49ers are like the scariest team in the NFC,

other than the Eagles, obviously, they're not playing this weekend. This is the worst-case scenario for the Seahawks in terms of who they're playing because the 49ers are absolutely dominant right now. However, like Highfitz was saying, like the Seahawks, they don't really have anything to lose. Yeah, no one thinks they're going to win this game.

The 49ers are favored by 10 in the freaking wild card round, which is kind of wild. But yeah, I think that's the one thing they do have going from. The other thing that I think is worth noting here, and this is what I'm hanging. this is what I'm pinning my hopes to. The Seahawks actually going back the last 10 years

have like fucking dominated this matchup. I know that this is a completely different team now this year, but like I'm looking at the matchup here. The 49ers won both games this year and that they faced in the division. But then before that, DeCox had won like 90% of the games going back to 2012. So for some reason,

Pete Carroll kind of has Shanahan's number. That's how the NFC West works. Like Carol has Shanahan's number. McVey has Carol's number and Shanahan I don't know who he's number Well everybody has Shanahan's number in the playoffs Kind of seems but yeah

Well I want to call him Because every coach is Work for him I will say well speaking on the night Jess is staying here Because you gotta get winners of the week Rock Purdy dude Rock Purdy

Yes Brought the Niners to 6 and O Speaking of Tom Brady You want to hear a crazy stat Brock Purdy Since he came to be a starter Week 14 he's first in the NFL in

pass a rating, passing touchdowns, passing touchdowns per attempts, yards per attempt, and wins. He's first. Wins. God, dude. He's been incredible. And you know why?

Because he innately understands the most important concept in football. Give the ball to George Kittle. Pass to the Italians. It's kicking and screaming. Just pass to the Italians. That should be the momentous attack. That was really good.

Wait, Jesse, what's your Brock Purdy journey been like as the 49ers fan. I mean, it's... No, wait, twist the question. How much do you give a shit about Trey Lance anymore? You know what?

Is he dead to you? One of two things. He's either going to elevate himself and become better than Purdy or he's going to be one hell of a trade asset. There you go. If Brutty gets to the NFC championship, they cannot start Trey Lance next year, right?

I mean, no. I mean, I'll put it this way. It's tough. Just to stay at like with the regular season, Dude, why is Brock Birdie not the offensive rookie of the year? Honestly, all these other candidates, I kind of don't want to hear it. Like, you're going to tell me Ken Walker, who's like, first of all, he played like 11 games himself. Three of them sucked, so he had eight good games.

Please. So it's basically what, Brock Bertie versus Garrett Wilson? No, like, Garrett Wilson's. Chris Alave? Okay, but like, yeah, maybe. The argument for what, Garrett Wilson and Alave is what? They had 1100 yards and were very fun to watch on a otherworldly. horrible, disgusting passing offense, and they persevered through the muck to still suck and miss

the playoffs, and they were just good. Brock Purdy's story, like, congrats in your 1100 yards. Brock Purdy's story is like, he literally salvaged a team to make them to win the division and bring them undefeated, and they are now like maybe the favorite to win the NFC. Like, this guy is so much more important and better than what anyone else did. Like, Rock Party should be the guy. I don't care. Also, I'm positive. A Mr. Irrelevant has never won rookie of the year.

That would be something. Oh, yeah. Here's the thing. Honestly, Hafeits, I think all the, like, arguments that you make are,

like, logical and sound. But the one thing I think he has working against him is, like, the fact that... Everyone's good in Shannon's offense. Shanahan's, like,

done this before, and people are, like, not that excited about it. I still don't really know if I believe it. You know what I mean? I don't... I don't care. Like, I literally don't care about that.

You know why? I'm curious, me think you. I'm not saying you need to care. I'm saying that's why he might not win. I can see that. Like that's always been the case. But, you know, Craig mentioned Nick Mullins. When Nick Mullins was a quarterback,

you never saw this kind of product. I mean, it's weird because he did see that kind of of lecture for Cato because that was the year he broke Travis, him and Travis Keltre going back and forth with the yardage for a tight end. But it's weird because it's like Brock Purdy just isn't afraid to make those throws. And Shanahan

actually has confidence in Purdy too. be able to make those throws. I don't think he had that, ever had that confidence in Nick Mullins or Jimmy G. Or even Trey Lance. Yeah. He never, like, there's something about Brock Ferdie that Shanahan clearly trust because he's out here making throws that I haven't seen in years. Like, those are the throws that I hope Trey Lance one day makes and those are the throws

that you never see Jimmy even try because he can't do it. It's either overthrown or it's picked off. Like, normally it's where it is with Jimmy G. But Brock's been doing it. And this is all he needs to do. Like all he needs to do is keep the offense rolling. Get the ball to your playmakers. Let them do the rest.

Telling you. It's the best strategy. I think you're totally right. 100%. 100%. The reason that I do think he's rookie of the year, though, is that I understand the argument that Shanahan makes so many quarterbacks good. I get that.

But I don't care because that's a question to me for like, should they re-sign Brock Birdie? Should they trade away, Tray Lance? Should they pay him? Would Brock Purdy be good on literally any other team? Honestly, probably, like, I don't think so. Like, Brock Birdie would probably be better. Mike White on the Jets. I get that. However,

the offensive rookie in the year where, like, he did this. Like, this happened. And it's not just the wins. As Craig said, leading on all those statistics, like, he did it. Like, he did it. It's so much harder for a quarterback. It's so much harder for quarterback to do this than like a running back. I actually, you know, I mean, like, Kenneth Walker

has looked great, but I don't have like a strong opinion that he should be rookie of the year. You know what I mean? Like, he's, he's fun to watch, but it's so much harder to play quarterback. He didn't have a bad game. Did he have a, he had a bad quarter. Yeah. So anyway, I really think so.

I agree. I think it's probably the right pick too. It's a great story, too. Like, Garrett Wilson for 1100 yards. Like, please. Like, whatever. All right, thank you, Jesse for hopping on. Well, maybe we should put some stakes on the Seahawks 49ers game.

Think about that. Emails at Ream Fantasy Football at gmail.com. Do you have any idea of a bet that Jesse and Dekin should put on? All right, next award here, DK. The In His Bag Award, which I just realized, I don't even know what In His Bag means. What are we talking about here? We, you wrote that down.

I know, but I've heard the expression. It means like someone's cooking with all the gas, all the ingredients, you know what I mean? Like they can pull out anything and make it work right now. Actually, that works really well because if you've seen this play, the Chiefs essentially did ring around the Rosie in the huddle and did a big circle thing and then came out. It was like the most hilarious thing I've ever seen in an actual NFL game. At the risk of hyperbole, it was like the most disrespectful. They literally did a child game for five-year-olds and then ran out of play and scored a touchdown. But it got called back.

I was watching that play with the sound off. So I don't know what the announcers said. So the idea behind it was like to disorient the defense and to not knowing who is where, right? Yeah. That's the idea? Sure. Yeah. And it like didn't really work because like Tony scored in like a very athletic way, but it's not

because like defenders didn't know where he was. he just outperform them. Also, wait, hold on. The play got called back, right? It did, yes. Why did the play got called back? Was it illegal formation? No, I think it was holding.

Who was the holding on? Oh, I don't know. All right. Cadarious Tony. Cadarist Tony was holding. He brought the play back. Oh, I see. You doing sarcasm.

Yes, I was. But then he scored again. So it's fun. I hate that. But Reed was in his back. Disrespectful. Craig, is this a golf term? he can use every club

like people say you're such a 40 year old white dad and I look to officially congratulation you I'm going to say like oh he's got that in his bag for golf so kind of it's in his bag no that's not where this came from that is definitely not where the phrase came from

it is correct it's not where it came from but I see where you're heads like you can okay anyway Andy Reid in his bag did you know you know the term in the bag like when you have a game in the bag Do you know where that comes from? Trapping animals or something?

I don't know. The New York baseball giants back in the day, when they knew they were going to win a game, they would take the ball bag and start walking it off the field. And the game would then be in the bag. Wow.

I love the etymology of slag. It's so good. That's actually great. I was picturing like someone trapping animals and putting the animal in the bag. It's also a game of a bag. I think this is what the...

Andy Reid, Ring Around the Rose, who's more like the step brother. there's like smell the white dog poop. It's just mean. Yeah, it was genuinely. Just we have no respect for you. We're going to do this. You know what's funny about Andy Reid?

Is Andy Reed coaches like he's like 38? Like he coaches like we think Brandon Staley should coach and Sean McVeigh. I think that's not an accident. I think that there's like, I bet you Andy Reid just like watching Stranger Things in Wednesday too, you know? Maybe he's just like 26. Young soul. Wednesday's great.

I love Wednesday. An elite actress is a star. Yeah, she is. Ortega, Jenny Ortega. What a awesome moment like that. It's a golf show. It's a show but golf. I have literally no...

You know what you could say? Jenny Ortega is in her bag in Wednesday. Oh, here we go. Full circle. I do want to... I know this stat is both everywhere and also underrated. But Patrick Mahom's being 16 and O

on the road against the divisional opponents. It's pretty fucking crazy. Just dominant. That's insane. An undefeated season on the road against the divisional teams. This is absolutely nuts. All right.

We'll be talking to the Chiefs on the month. But eliminated teams, we could do some funerals here. Patriots, Steelers, hackers, all eliminated in so much dramatic fashion. Lines too in that bunch. Dolphins made the playoffs.

Jets are so pathetic. That was such an awful game. I'm curious. You guys want to be a team? Craig, how did it feel to be depending on Joe Flacco to pull out of a win? So miserable. Oh my God. It's the most helpless feeling.

Just, and like, it's like six to six. I was like, come on. I'm like, watch an injured dog, blimping. I'm like, please, just keep, I do respect. They just kept throwing to Garrett Wilson over into over. 17 targets. All of the end. But at least, you know what?

The Patriots, you know, they ended their season on a flop. The Packers lost to a line scene that had nothing to play for. At least the Steelers lost with a lot. Their heads held high. They played well. They won the game. You know, good season. Tomlin, never losing season, still alive.

Yeah, everyone's like Steelers without dignity. Yeah. Yeah. They were two and six. They were two and six. Finish nine and eight. Pretty good. The flip side, the Jets,

I didn't realize how bad it was. Jets didn't score touchdown in the last three games. There was only like 20 instances, I think, like ever, where in any stretch, not just the end of the season, like any stretch, a team just didn't score a touchdown.

for like three games in a row. That's like really hard. Fantasy was just like tweeting like a rant about how deflating it was to be a Jets fan. Do you guys want to powering the teams we're really excited to not have to watch anymore? Not that they're eliminated.

Yeah, yeah. You know what's funny is like a lot of these teams to me are still in the playoffs, but... Like the teams you don't want to watch? The teams I don't want to watch are still the playoffs. But the Ravens. It's like, yeah, it's like the Ravens,

Tom Brady and fucking Justin Herbert. But... The Ravens are, a shockingly tough watch right now. But the Patriots, I think, were the least watchable team this season. Every single team, I could find something. The Bears got the first pick.

They were kind of interesting with the fields. The Texans were interesting in like an experimental, hypothetical way. The Rams were like, the Rams and Broncos were both like a slow motion car accident you couldn't really look away from. Like it was like a rubbernecking experience. The Patriots were just, I don't know,

it felt like sitting through like a lecture hall. I think the number one team is the Colts. I'm really happy that we no longer have to endure that. Seriously. I can't agree more with this one. They were like by far the worst. They're just a disaster. Didn't feel like an NFL team.

Dude, the Texans, basically we're going to fire Levi-Smith. And Lovey Smith just winning this game and robbing the Texans of the number one pick is incredible. Like, I'm surprised that like the Texans GM didn't like. physically try to, like, restrict. Like, leave his key card. Like, get him off the field. Fire him now.

I can, I bet he was, man. It's just, like, fuming up there. Talk about in his bag. Lovey Smith, man. Going for two. This is the biggest. The fourth and twice. The biggest middle finger to the team.

Like, I can even imagine. This changes the outcomes or, like, the outlooks for, like, multiple teams here. The bears? Think about what they could trade that first overall pick for. Like, this changes everything. It's so huge. This is like the Jets,

the Jets from a few years ago when they won that game and lost out on Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence, yeah. It is like that. And then the Bears, it also helps the Bears jam out because- I never know what they're doing. Idiots.

I never know what they're doing. What are the Texans doing? Oh, my God. It's honestly, what are you going to say? No, it doesn't matter. And it's, it's like genuinely stunning.

They can't even fail. Doing one last thing for the Bears. That's true. Also, never mind the Bears traded what is now the 32nd pick in the draft for Chase Claypool, which is incredible and now no one will care because the Bears got the first pick. But also, the 4th and 20 that they converted

was like a miracle. I mean, it went through the guy's hands. And dude, shout out Roger Sherman, our ringer coworker who pointed this out. I couldn't believe this when I saw it. The Texans were the only team on the entire season. that had two fourth and ten conversions in the same game, and they did them on the same drive in the fourth quarter of the last game in the season

to make sure they did not get the number one in the track. Holy shit. And the fourth and 20 that they converted was literally the only fourth and 20 or more conversion in the entire NFL all year. That was the only one. And they did it to make sure that they didn't get the top pick. Unreal. Amazing.

Bad teams, stay bad. Speaking of late losers, I also want to shout out the Packers for the way Sunday football happened so much, but I also want to shout out Kirby Joseph, the random ass safety on the Lions, who now has as many picks in his career against Rogers as a rookie

as like Brian Erlacken his entire career only had three picks of this guy. He had another one that got called back. Yeah. Low key, if you count that fourth one, which you should, because the bounty had nothing to do with the play. He literally has more picks than anyone on Aaron Rogers

Ever, he's played in twice. Every time Rogers threw a pass is expecting Kirby Joseph to just like teleport into the street. Like he just came out of nowhere on all of them. It's incredible. Did you see someone to make the joke that Kirby Joseph has been more damaged to Aaron Rogers than Aaron Rogers' his YouTube algorithm? That's that Justice Muscat. That's my buddy. Such a good tweet. What does this mean? What do we expect of Aaron Rogers? So he planted the seed, basically Jamal Williams went up to him after the game and was like, hey, can I have you?

Can we do a jersey swap? And Rogers was like, now I'm going to hang on to this one. Yes, James and Williams. Yes. Oh, my bad. Okay. And I don't even think it was a swap. I think he just said, can I have your jersey? He's like, I don't know you, man. Rogers did want his? Also, wait, so many things of this. But also, did you see Jamal Williams's postgame interview, though? Yeah, that was great. Yeah. He's classic. He's easily the best quote. Once Marshawn Lynch retired, Jamal Williams took over as the guy

I most want to watch an interview with. You have to look it up, though. He was literally dedicated to his grandfather, and he's like, sobbing. It's the most emotions I've ever seen it in 20 seconds. He was like, my grandfather passed away, like, I'm so happy for him, sobbing. And then he's like, did for him, but don't take these tears as anything. Like, we're still dogs. All up in this mug.

Yeah, love that. It was incredible. All right. Rogers, I have been on this drumbeat for a while. I think that Rogers signed this massive contract extension in March, no one realizes like he can be traded. It's not hard. And like,

it's if Rogers wants to play, he can play. It's that simple. Like he's guaranteed sick. He can say whatever wants him about retirement. I think he's going to play. If he does not retire, he literally will be giving up $60 million cash for one season.

Now there's salary cap shit, but the salary cap is accounting. It's like your taxes. It's like finesse, whatever. The actual deal is if he plays football in 2023, he will get $60 million cash to his bank account this year, guarantee. So, like, I kind of think he's going to play. And if he plays...

I think he's going to play a few more years, I think. Yeah, me too. I understand if he wants to do you want to do their retirement? He's playing. Do you guys think he looked bad this year? Like, it's kind of like a Brady situation for me where I think he looked fine. His support system was just not that good this year. I agree.

I still think he is making the same Aaron Rogers style throws. Like he's still just like threading balls 30 yards down the sideline like right in the breadbasket. I think he looks fine. He needs to go to a team with like a good offensive line that's like ready to win. He's not, that's almost why I don't think he's going to go to the Jets. Hyfitz, I know you've been on that. Yeah, that's the problem. Too big of a dumpster fire and the coaching.

Institutional like loosering. I don't think he's going to the Jets. I don't know where he's going to go, but I don't think it's New York. The problem is the Jets, the argument against the Jets is that their offensive line, like four, their five guys are kind of huge question marks right now. But I just look at the, look, basically, it's going to be pretty difficult for them to keep Rogers. They kind of almost have to punt on Jor and love and just kind of, like, write them off if they don't, if they bring Rogers back.

Because I guess the point that I would like to make is that because of the way contract works, bringing back Rogers this year is basically committing them for two seasons. Like that's just the way it works. because basically if you pay in $60 million cash this year, it is the only contract. I'm going to talk in my ass a little here, but I'm going to go ahead and say is not the only, but like there's probably maybe the only contract ever in NFL history

where the dead cap will go up every year. He's on the team. But the way dead cap works is it always goes down the longer you wait. Rogers just goes up. If they get rid of him or trade him or retire him this season, it's $40 million a dead cap. If they wait, it's like $63. And then it's like $75,000.

million dollars. So like if you keep them, you're kind of being like, we'll deal with the dead cap and like he's going to play for them 2023 and 24, which is why they're keeping him for two years or they're getting rid of him now. But basically you might as well get rid of Jordan Love. That's the thing. Isn't it kind of Rogers is a choice though? Like, yes. Isn't he have to sort of request a trade? How does this even work? I don't know. We'll get into this in the offseason. If he just shows up, he gets this massive 58 million. bonus and then they have to keep him. So he don't have a choice.

So unless they want to pay him $60 million in cash and bench him for Jordan Love, all he has to do is show up and he gets the money. So it is entirely in his court. And then obviously, like, no team will trade for Rogers if Rogers doesn't want to be there. So they'll back channel and be like, do you want to play for us? And so he's completely in control of his destiny. He wants to play the Packers, they got to do it. And if he wants to get traded, they got to do it.

But I also think Rogers, if Packers don't want him and he wants to play, he would like go find a trade partner. Craig, who's your ideal for Rogers, your ideal team here? Because High Fitz, are you still on the Jets thing, or are you backing off that? I think it makes sense. And like, I agree with Craig, the offensive line is an issue. I think there's two teams that come to mind right now. I think you could go to New Orleans if like Sean Payton comes back, something like that,

or Vegas, right? I think the problem is the teams that make more sense are honestly in the NFC. And I feel like the Packers, their instinct is they would rather. I think they would literally like probably take a hit on the trade itself, not a big one, not a first, but like a fifth or six. They'd rather just send them out of the conference. That's why Bradford got traded the Jets. The first one was look at the AFC teams. The only ones that makes sense to me are unless two is going to get axed by the dolphins. Like it's the Jets, the Titans, the Titans, the Titans are kind of a dumpster fire. So it's like the Raiders for the Jets. And then the other C, honest team notes was sense is the 49ers. The Packers are not sitting Rogers to the 49ers.

They limited the Packers four times in 10 years. Well, that's the thing. The Saints makes more sense. more likely than the 49ers. I just think that, I don't know if they want to send Rogers to the NFC. I do think that if they can avoid that, they would try.

Also, those options, if he goes to New Orleans, he's in the same division as Tom Brady. If he goes to the Raiders, he's back with Devonte Adams. I know. That's funny too. The Saints gave up their first round pick

to the Eagles. So now you have to trade Rogers and you basically would have to argue like, hey, you have to give us all your shit because you'd even have a first round pick this year. So think of like all the things they'd have to ask

which may be the same you give them because they're crazy. Right, if anyone's going to do it. No rummage around in the couch cushions. What are NFL teams going to start doing what NBA teams do?

And it's like, you can have my 2028 first, my 2027 second. Like, when is that going to start getting incorporated? There's a limit on how far in advance you can trade a pick. It's like three years,

two years? Yes, like three. You can't dip, teams can't trade their 2030 first round pick, to my knowledge. Oh. Yeah,

because the Rams would be doing it by now if they had the ability. So, all right. enough contract legalese. I do want to mention because it was Saturday before we got out of here. Dude, the Jaguars Titans game from Saturday, oh my God, dude, the refereeing decision,

the Josh Dobbs fumbles, like, I'm curious what you guys think, but we're all for expedited replay review and all this stuff, but I have, feel like I've never seen a quicker review in my life on a play that literally, like, decided a division title. That Josh Dobbs play, like, the, like, they, I think they actually took my advice and they only looked at it three times.

I think you got to take the good with bad here, Haifitz. We're all for this rule where things should be fast, things should be quick. Yeah, but here's what I don't get. It can get it correct. It can be fast and correct. You know what I mean? Did you think it was wrong? Yeah.

I didn't think it was wrong. The ball went forward like nine yards. I'm watching the replay now and I think I agree with Craig. Like if I was if I was in the moment, it was going on. He was going forward, but if you watch, but I think if you put 100 people in the room, I think you get like 60, 40 at best. I also watch it and I'm like, forget the rule. Forget the, is it interesting?

If you watch that full speed, it's a fumble to me. Like I just watched that. I'm like, yeah, it's not a throw. It's not an attempt. This is Goodell wanting Trevor Lawrence in the playoffs. Just like he wanted Rogers last night. Rigged. You know what the thing with the rigged is that I can't believe?

If the Titans won, people like, see, the NFL just doesn't want Jacksonville in the playoffs. Rigged doesn't work to me when it's like you could actually say it either side. right I was actually going to shout out maybe the Titans as being the team no one wants to watch like that that's a rough watch

the Titans are I mean Josh Dobbs is actually a pretty good story but this team is not pretty much the bottom six teams in the league are pretty rough pretty rough experience David Blow can you even name the quarterback to play this week David Blow subden for the Cardinals

Sam Ellinger came in the Davis Webb for the giant Who was the other quarterback? It was Nate Peterman and one other for... Oh, yeah, for the Bears. Who was the third guy? Tim Boyle.

In the running... What is with all these backup formats? Worst name in the league, Tim. Tim Boyle. David Blow. No matter what, David Blow and Tim Boyle are not going to be successful quarterbacks. I don't care how good they are. Did Blow's better than Boyle.

Yeah, Tim Boyle's bad. Also, while we're talking about all these third stringers, I actually think Kenny Goliday who is the highest paid player of the Giants, more or less. Totally redeem yourself. Playing with the third stringers

and getting his first career touchdown as a giant is somehow more depressing than him missing the entire season to that point because he wasn't good enough to play over their undrafted free agents and practice squad plays. It was actually more sad

to watch Kenny Goladay playing with Davis Webb who literally, Davis Webb is literally the Giants third string quarterback because the bill staff wanted him to teach the offense to the other players and convinced him to be a player instead of taking a job as an assistant coach in Buffalo. Like this is literally a coach throwing him a ball. That's where Kenny Gallaudet is at. I don't buy that Kenny Gallaudet's just bad now. There must be more like off-field, like he's not a good locker room guy, doesn't want to

participate, is not a good, you know, student of the game or Daibald doesn't like him or something. There's no way that this guy was putting up 1,200 yards a year with Matt Stafford, and now he's just bad. I don't buy it. He kind of has the yips though. Like every time he gets in he like has an opportunity to make a big place. The Markell Foltz of Wider Severs. It's like he's in his head. He needs to leave the Giants.

Like this was too much for him. He came in with a hip injury and like it just whatever was physical is now it would be best for it. Like the way Keneers Tony left the Giants, I'm like I don't wish him well. There's just no way he's bad. I hope Kedigali Goli leaves and does well.

I hope Kedegali does well somewhere else. Right. Like go to the Chargers or something for like $2 million and just go nuts. No. They have the younger Kenny Gallaudet. They have Mike Williams. He's also a Kenny Gallaudet. Just the big jumpball guy who's never healthy.

They need more deep speed. And Kenny Gallaudet has that. Let me tell you something about Kenny Gallaudet speed. It has been left in 2018. I know how much of it there was. I still have paid. Kenning Gallaudet is like a better version of like Josh Gordon 30, you know, when he was just trying to do jump balls with the chiefs.

Can I go on is like Mo Ali Cox now? I still believe. I'm buying stock, penny stocks, but I'm buying. Oh, my goodness. Dmaire Hamlin released from last. Oh, wow. That's amazing. Released? Wow, a week to the day.

That's crazy. Wow, that's so good. That's sick. Wow. All right, well, that's all. What a perfect cap to the show. Yeah. All right.

Well, that's awesome. Yeah, that's just awesome. Emails at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. If you have any thoughts on the show, anything, any of your season, and again, you can donate to this bunch of player charities out there if you did end up winning your league. Obviously, DeMarie Hamble and a lot of people

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So check that out. Three of us in Ben Solac. Do we want to go over our playoff schedule here for the playoffs, Craig? Yeah, we'll be coming at you on Mondays. We'll be doing recaps for all the playoff games. We'll be giving out awards, talking about this and that. And then we'll be doing Thursday draft shows. So just two shows a week.

We've also we got some in the works with Fandals. We're going to be doing some fun Fandle contests that people can participate in. These playoffs with us, you can win some prizes, TBD on those. But yeah, stick around. Boom. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Jesse, for production.

help. And I'll see sincerity. Thank you to all the medical people and all the trainers and all the personnel who actually like saved them or Hamelin. I'm honestly all the other ones who don't have to do that but are prepared to do that all the time. So shout on everyone. Absolutely. Yeah. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, Yasha Haifitz. Is that how you pronounce it? Wow. Yes. Yasha. Jasha? Jasha. Jash the greatest violinist ever. Yasha Hythis. Oh, that's your relative. Who is? I am related to Yasha Hyphitz. Tangentially related to Hyfitz?

Yeah. Yeah, no, I am related to Yashai Fis. We met a nice gentleman in L.A. Craig, remind me what restaurant we were at when we met the guy who knew Yasha Hyfitz? Major Domo? No, it was that burger place or sandwich place. Oh, yeah. The burger place went to after Bills.

Oh, Kessels. They had like. Yes. Yeah. And the waiter was like, to put a credit card back was like, are you related to I think he owned the place. He was like, are you related to Yasha Hyphins? And I was like, yeah, he was like geeking out.

It's like the greatest violins ever. Russian-born American violinist. So I will say Yasha. He certainly drained the entire gene pool of musical talent. He got all of it. That was never in the cards for me. Oh, well. You got a fantasy football.

He died in Cedar Sinai in L.A. So there's another Danny Hifitz. He's the drummer for a band called Mr. Bungle. and I've always flat. Yeah, and so, I mean, growing up, it's like this weirder picture. Growing up, like, if you Google Day-Ivice, that was always the guy who came up.

And then Mr. Bungle actually came to Los Angeles, and I tried to, like, talk my way into the back state. I was just literally walking by it, actually on the way back from Ringar Happier, and I just, I was actually just trying to talk my way backstage and be like, showing my idea, like, I'm dating Iepids, so I'd like to Tom related to the other one. But it turned, then I googled it,

I guess he left a band 10 years ago. So it didn't work, but. Yeah, he'd try. Good try. I'm looking at him right now. Born in New York, just like you. He teaches music in Australia right now. If anyone has any possible way for me to contact the other Danny Hyphus, please let me

email me at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. Craig, have you ever met another Craig Horlebeck? No way. There's about one million Danny Kelly's in the world, so. Your life has been lived a thousand times before, not me. I'm sure there's a Craig Whirlbeck. Yeah, maybe. I don't know.

That'd be surprised. Goodbye everyone.