The Ringer NFL Show - Fantasy Football Mailbag: Players to Avoid

Episode Date: July 12, 2023

Danny Heifetz and Danny Kelly open up the mailbag to answer the most burning fantasy football–related (and non-fantasy-related) listener questions on everything from which players to avoid at all costs to hilariously misused phrases (1:35). Finally, the guys recap their experience at Craig’s wedding (37:22). Check out our 2023 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] Hosts: Danny Heifetz and Danny Kelly Producers: Kai Grady and Isaiah Blakely Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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super easy to spell. We'll put it in the episode description. I'm at Danny Hyphen's on Instagram. I made a thread that of peer pressure. And you're just Danny B. Kelly everywhere. I am. I haven't joined threads yet, but I need to get on that. We'll do it.

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So fantasy football. Dot the ringer.com email us. And we're just going to go through the mailback. So we can jump right in. Question we got from people email us. We have their names. And then Twitter, it's like their handle.

So it's like from Samuel. Am I totally blasted for considering taking Travis Kelsey with the first pick? I mean, I don't think it's crazy. We haven't ranked what number seven overall. Like it's not totally, you know, absurd to talk about it.

I think most of the other guys above him in our rankings have at least one or two question marks attached like Christian McCaffrey, Josh Neckler, Cooper Cup coming off injury, Bison Robinson's a rookie. I'd say Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase are the only two guys on there that I'm like feeling extremely, extremely confident about right now. So no, I don't think it's wild,

but it's also a little bit of a zig when everyone else is sagging. What do you think, Hyvitz? I mean, probably don't, but if you want to, sure, I think a good rule of thumb is if a person's not going to be there the next time you pick and you really want them,

just take it, whatever. Like, if you don't overthink it. At the end of the day, we can't, like, perfectly predict the future. if they're not going to be there. I think a reach, the definition of a reach, is you take someone who, if you had waited, would have been there with a later pick.

You don't ever want to take someone who's going to be there later. Kelsey won't be there when you pick at 20 or 24, whatever. So it is what it is. Having said, it's probably not optimal. Maybe I have them up too much. I don't know, you shouldn't be taking Kelsey first because the reality is like, you know, Tyree Kill could be the first receiver to hit like 2,000 yards this year.

Justin Jefferson was flirting with that pace last year. Like, those guys have such a huge advantage. and then McCaffrey, Austin Echler, like those running backs who have the biggest running back seasons are the guys who usually have like percentage-wise the best league winning ability. So, and of course the year that we hype up Kelsey is the top of the pick is when he's going to get hurt

for the first time. Yeah, he's going to be 33 years old. Is that how old he is? 33? I think it'll be 34. But it doesn't, all right, it doesn't, he hasn't been hurt in a decade. And Jamar Chasing Cooper Cup missed more time

than him last year than he has in 10 years. But if you want to do what you can, but we have him at 7 for a reason. I think I actually have him a little higher than you guys. I have him top five. But I think there's Jeff. Jefferson, Chase, Tyreek, those guys are probably safer, and then Cooper Cup, depending how you feel, like, just coming off a high ankle sprain. But take it wherever you want.

But I'm fine with it. Go for it. Yeah. You're not blasted. This is from Tyler. Who is your absolute must-avoid among the guys who are expected to be top picks? And it's like must-avoid. It's like there is no, everyone being a top pick is good.

Yeah. But, Dek, is there anyone that you're gun shy on in the first 10, 20-ish picks or whatever? I mean, not really, to be totally honest. I think if you want to include anyone here, it's guys like Christian McCaffrey, Alice Nekhler, who, I mean, with Christian McCaffrey last year, it was when Elijah Mitchell was on the field with him and was healthy. When both these running backs were healthy, there was like a pretty solid healthy rotation between these two. And that, like, worries me a little bit. I think Christian McCaffrey, you know what I mean? He's always been the most dominant guy when it comes to a volume perspective.

And if you're talking about taking him second overall, which is the context of this question, that's, where it starts to worry me a little bit. I think if I'm picking at two, I'm either taking Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase or Cooper Cup, and I'm probably feeling a little like you put a gun-shy about Christian McCaffreyhouse-Nekler, even Bejohn Robinson, who, you know, is a rookie. We haven't even seen him on the NFL field before he's playing for Arthur Smith,

so there's just a lot of question marks there. So I'd say any of the top running backs, if I'm picking in the top five, I'm a little bit gun-shy about. Turn your mic on, Kai. We've got a, which player is the closest analog, to Kai's taste and food. Again, you want to remind us what you eat, Kai? Go-to's turkey sandwich, just turkey and bread.

Nothing to get chicken nuggets. Chicken tender is dry. You know? That's kind of where I'm at. Isaiah is here in the studio with me, and Isaiah is just like the hand all the way up to the top of the forehead. I mean, I'm just, it's got to be whiplash because he probably has no idea. So this is tough to find out this way. Also, shrimp for some reason is on that lamp.

It's shrimp and then like chicken tenders and fries. Pop-Tarts cereal. So the context of this question, though, is who is the most bland flavorless player in fantasy football? If it's like a dry turkey sandwich, it's Adam Thielen. Like the Panthers Adam Thielen. Yeah, yeah. I love this one. Adam Thielen, how old is he now?

He's getting up there. He's like 33, 34. He's old enough that he's doing NFL Network. So he's got one foot out the door. He's on a new team. He'll be doing bowl games soon. Rookie quarterback. This is actually a good.

This is a good segue because my guy is similar enough, I think, to Tyler Lockett. So I made a, I did a search the other day and I looked at the last five seasons in the NFL. And the two guys that are tied at number five in total touchdown catches are Adam Thielen and Tyler Lockett. Like literally the two most boring players, receivers in the NFL maybe. So Tyler Lockett, just let's go down the list here why he, you know, kind of fits this turkey. just cold turkey on white bread with no, no dressing, no south, nothing. He's short, balding, and I can say that because I'm bald. He writes poetry.

He talks incessantly about being a real estate agent, which... Like, he is one or wants to be a real estate agent? Tyler Lockett has a real estate license? Yeah. What? So one foot out the door, maybe. Quite possibly a virgin, or at least he's talked about saving himself for marriage, I think. And then top five, again, in touchdown.

the last five years. So, like, Kai, like turkey sandwich on white bread, it gets the job done. It gets you nutrients. You know, it's there. I was just thinking. Yeah, I was like, this is, you know, it's boring. It's not fun. It's not sexy. But it does what it needs to do it. You know, I'm not as hungry after eating it. Are you putting salt on? No, he's got the alien saliva. It just like cuts through like steel or whatever. Oh my God. Wait, do you think Tyler Lockett the secret is the virginity? You know, like, boxers like they don't. Yes. Yes. You know, do anything physical like before a fight, but Tyler Lockett's done that his whole life.

So, I mean... Yes, I do. I think that's the secret. Is this something like all Seahawks fans just know and like just quietly like, no? Well, I don't know. I think I'm sort of joking. I don't actually know if he's a version.

In fact, I think he might have gotten married recently, so that's probably not the case anymore. But... Congrats on the sex to Tyler Lockett. But otherwise, you know, he's just kind of a dorky guy, but he's elite pass catcher also. He's like freaking awesome.

And he's like the polar, opposite in every way almost of D.K. Metcalf. So it's just kind of a funny contradiction or funny contrasts, I should say. D.K. McC. McC., having like three-sons, with only fans models? Oh, my God. Yeah. All right. So, yes, I think Tyler Lockett is my version of Kai's taste and food. Not completely

offended by this one. I'll say it. I'm not going to delve too deep into that. All right, we got an email from Stoff. I don't, like Stoffers, but it's just Stoff. I don't know. Stoff. Sorry, Stoff. Who would win in a fight?

One, Jordan Davis-sized Deuce Vaughn or three Deuce Vaughn-sized Jordan Davis. So for context, Jordan Davis is a defensive tackle now for the Eagles who got like Heismund votes at Georgia. He is 6-6, 340 pounds. And then Deuce Vaughan is a running back now in the Cowboys who is 5'6, 176 pounds. So is that really neatly a foot taller and almost twice as heavy, right? Just a touch under exactly half. This one I had to think about quite a bit. It's kind of like the mountain versus the viper, you know, like one, one side relying on sheer brute strength

and size, the other side, you know, nimble, sneaky. That's what the helmet's for, so you don't get your cold brush. I'm going to go with one Jordan Davis-sized deuce von. I think that would be hard to beat that. Just too powerful. How many of the small guys would you need to win? Ten is like 10. Yeah.

I think you need to go to 10 for that for sure. Have you seen Deuce Von? Have you watched him play, Hyves? Well, he's the running, my favorite thing was there was, I've never seen this before in any level of sports, but there was like a left tackle, like blocking from like engaged in a block with a defensive end. And Deuce Vaughn ran between them underneath. Like a child. Like a toddler. He ran underneath these two people on their engaged arms.

It's like the, yeah, it just reminds me of like in Lord of the Rings. The hobbits are like just running around underneath the horse's like legs and stuff. That's like, dude's fun running through the line. Deuce Vaughn, he definitely, like, can take advantage of, you know, his size in terms of, like, you literally can't see him. He's just so small and behind the line. And I'm actually kind of being serious right now. Like, that actually might be an advantage because, like, the defensive players just actually can't see him. He's five foot six.

Well, this is real with quarterbacks. If you just sort basically any of the last few seasons by just blocked pass or batted passes, with the exception of Burrow, who's always up there, it's just the really tall quarterbacks and the really short quarterbacks. It's Herbert and Trevor Lawrence because they're like 6-6 and everyone can see where they're throwing. Or it's Baker, Russ, it's all the short

quarterbacks who can't get the ball up high enough. So it's like, it's just the extremes. It's like no one from 6-1 to 6-4 gets their passes about it down. That just reminded me when you're talking about Russell Wilson. There's one famous play. I don't even remember what season is from a couple years ago where Russell Wilson was trying to run a sneak. I think it was near the end

zone. And they tried to do like, you know, quarterback sneak where Brady will just like reach across the goal line and, you know, score a touchdown because he's so tall and has such long arms. And Russell Wilson's just behind the line like jumping up. Like he can't get over his offensive linemen. So it's just he just looks like a little kid like trying to get a ick go for it's truly that is the biggest ick I've ever seen after that. I was like, I can't do this anymore with Russell Wilson. Should we do the ick? You got a lot of emails about the ick. That's a greatick. Watching Russell Wilson trying to run a sneak from behind the line of screwage and score a touchdown.

It was, yeah, it was bad. So yeah, let's do the Ix right now. I find it interlude. Ick interlude. Give a recap of what the X was if we didn't, if you didn't hear the episode where we talked about X. It's just like things, a small thing that a small thing that a guy does

that instantly turns a woman off. And it could go in any direction, but guys probably do more of it. And so just there's things guys think turn women off. And then there are things that actually turn women off. And so we got a great email from Curtis. Yeah. that says my co-worker's girlfriend and her roommate have a running list of X that they keep on their fridge.

He took a picture of it. This was like espionage. I fucking loved this, by the way. He sent the list. The list of X, things that turn women off, wearing a bike helmet. Falling in public. Yeah. I said this to my girlfriend.

My girlfriend said to me, it's not just that. It's flex. It's when the guy trips but then looks back at the ground, like incredulous that he could trip. Like, it was the ground's fault. The hell was that all about? The list contiguous. It's being spun around in the barber's chair. Yeah.

This is very closely related to the one that we talked about in the last show, which was wearing one of the capes from the barbers shop. Swimming with goggles on. Yeah, I can see that. Seeing green bubbles in the text. Yeah, so Android user. This is something that we got from several different people, by the way. Five people.

Screaming on a roller coaster. That's good. Using Band-Aids? This one's confusing. What are you supposed to do with open cuts? I know. I grab it to bleed everywhere. I think that's it.

Just don't get hurt. What are you going to do bleed on me? Scars are cool, but bleeding's not. When your feet are dangling on a chair or stool. Yeah, aka short. I like the feet dangling on a chair stool. This reminds me so much of Austin Gail in Sweden. We were there.

He's not like short, but this was a very tall stool that we were sitting on at a bar one night. And he's just like swinging his feet. He looks at me. I mean, he's just, I remember he's just like, I feel like so ridiculous right now. That's Russell Wilson, go over the go line. We got another great one from Jacob who said, uh,

great, when a guy chases a ping pong ball that's rolling on the floor. That's so, that's so specific, and I can see it 100%. And this is a great one. When a guy calls you, and it's his mom's name because he's on his mom's phone plan.

That's tough. That's tough. Yeah. Is that still a thing? the call ID will say you're like whoever's the person on your yeah wow that's tough all right well those are the ex so anyway yeah Russell Wilson not being able to reach the goal line is absolutely I'm gonna try and dig up this tweet I'm gonna try and dig up like the actual video footage of it and

I'll tweet it out because it's seriously hilarious it is a hundred percent a true ick and I think that was maybe when things turned well there was that play and then there was one other play and I lost to the Super Bowl no well that well that was tough but that wasn't so much of it your mind repressed the memory. Like, you skipped over that. There was one play where he, like, tried to spin away from a sack, like, three times, and then eventually ended up throwing the ball backwards out of bounds.

And I think that was, like, the distinct point in time when Seahawks fans were like, okay. I think that. I think we're good. I think I'm done. That's fine. Move on. The SpongeBob meme?

All right. I'm a head out. This is from NC. Who are the biggest boom or bust wide receivers and fantasy this season? Yeah. This is a good one because he's in the news today. Cadarious Tony. Hives, did you see kind of what was going on with this on Twitter today?

Cadarious Tony is in people's DMs. By the way, don't DMs. By the way, don't DM athletes and talk shit to them, first of all. It's like the most pathetic thing I've ever could imagine. But also, if you're a professional athlete, don't respond to them with voice memos. Like, what are he doing? So, yeah, he's basically been talking trash with a bunch of Giants fans who don't like him for obvious reasons because he's like talking

a bunch of shit about the Giants lately. He found all of my burners. It's crazy. Every single one. Is this you? I fits? Every single burner. Now I need to make more. But yeah, specific to Tony though. I mean, honestly, obviously we've seen the talent, the natural talent of him on the field. Like when he's playing more than five snaps, he has shown the ability to

not only get deep, but like get by guys, make it ridiculous catches, make guys miss, like all the stuff you want to see from a receiver. But he's just been and so insanely, incredibly, incredibly inconsistent. Well, I was going to save this for the take purge and then I realized that it's the most mainstream take possible, which is, I think Cadarius, Tony will be a top 10 wide receiver in fantasy this year by points per game. And we'll just see how many games to play.

It's five games. Like, he'll get like 25 a game. What do you think the overunder is, should be for the amount of games to plays? We should, I guess it would be pretty bad if we had like injury-related over-unders on Fendell's, but if we could set a line, yeah, if we asked Fendell for a line, what would it be on games played?

games are like starts because you know like a guy gets hurt and then he plays like like real games five snaps like the Super Bowl right starts dude

I would set it at six and a half yeah would you take the over on six and a half games for Tony yeah but that won't feel good about it because for context

even though I you know not the biggest fan hence why I was in the DMs but Tony how many he's played he started eight games in his career are you serious he's been in the injury

I swear to God, there's no record for this, but I think he would have the record for most separate injury designations through two years of his career. How do you have eight different body parts on your career injury port in like two seasons? It's like heavy goodmore. I was the only guy who took off my skate and stabbed someone. So, you know, there's that other than him because we talk about him all the time. Who else is like a bigger, like a boom busts?

So yeah, I think Tony's obvious. The other guys that I had on my list that kind of, I think are just a really wide range of outcomes. Devo Samuel. I mean, obviously a couple of years, if you go a couple years back, you know, he was, I think, the number two receiver in football, just incredible. He was a cheat code, essentially, like, what we talk about with all these quarterbacks these days is he was essentially a running back and a receiver in one roster spot back in 2021 when he scored.

I believe he scored, like, eight or nine rushing touchdowns, plus he had 1,400 yards receiving, just absolutely ludicrous usage and production. But then last year, things kind of fell apart. He was hurt. You know, there was some indication that maybe he came in out of shape and overweight. Well, no, not even indication. He talked about it. I actually, every year we make fun of the guys in August

who were like, I'm in the best shape of my life. And Debo is one of those, like, small handful. I was out of shape last year. I was really mad about my contract. And I'm like, thank you for the honesty, someone. So, but and now there's reports, which of course happened every time, or every year at this time of year that he's in the best shape of his life. He's talking about, you know, slimming down and being more explosive.

And he looks at himself from last year. And this is, I think, in the same interview that you were talking about, it's where he's just like, oh, just make myself sick looking at myself. I got to get more explosive. And so I think Debo Samuel is the classic boom bus because obviously we've seen what his upside is. We've seen what he can do in the right role. And if we see someone like Christian McCaffrey get hurt, which hopefully that doesn't happen, but it has happened in a couple of years in his career. And so, you know, if McAfree goes down, I think Debo's ceiling is automatically like massively, massively high.

But if Christian McCaffrey stays healthy, I think he's pretty capped because I think they brought Christian McCaffrey in part at least to take some of those rushes away from them, obviously, because he wanted to. Yeah, I hope so. Well, I mean, that's obvious, but part of his mini quasi holdout or whatever was like, I don't want to be a running back, you know. Yeah, that was good call. And so, yeah, I think he's another guy that has an extreme range of outcomes. I think Christian Watson was a guy that came to my mind when I, when this question was asked,

basically, like, he's another guy that just really relying on big plays, super explosive, super fast. But I don't know, you know, what this offense is going to look like. for the Packers with Jordan Love at quarterback. You know, is he going to be super run-heavy type offense where they kind of try and ease Jordan Love in, obviously going from, you know, one of the all-time great quarterbacks of all time

and Aaron Rogers to Jordan Love, who we've seen play like five quarters or something. You know, there's just a lot of question marks there. So I put him in that boom and bust window. And then the last guy I'll mention is Mike Williams, who, again, like, seems like there's stretches of time where he's like top three receiver in the NFL, it feels like. And you're playing with Justin Herbert.

And then there's other stretches where he either disappears or he's hurt. Well, it's not just Mike Williams. You know who the biggest boom bust receivers are this year other than Tony? It's everyone named Mike. All the mics are kind of like the ick. It's not Mike. It's just the icks. It's like Mike.

Imagine if your team had the following receivers. Mike Evans. Mike Evans is a great one. Michael or Mike Thomas and Michael Pittman. You imagine if your team is all four of those guys. All those guys are like weirdly like the same. You're like, oh my God. It's a good point.

Something there. I don't know what that's all about. But yes, I'm with you. All the mics. And we are calling Michael Thomas Mike now. We should start calling Pittman Mike too. I will say, I think Michael Thomas has been Mike his whole life. But then it's just like officially.

But I don't know. I know that. I know that. My point was more just like no one wrote it in the press, Mike Thomas. And then all of a sudden everyone started writing Mike. We're not previously poisoned against this person. I mean, I changed my name like mid-life. So it's not like I would get mad if he wanted to change his name.

I just, no one told me. No one told me. You've been mad for a month. no one told me that Michael Thomas wanted us to call him Mike. In fact, I don't think that happened. People just did it. They started doing it for some reason. I don't know. I can't believe I'm defending by Thomas. I don't want to be in this position.

Anyway, Mike Thomas. We're out on the mics. All right, TK, this is from Rio. Rio. If there was a guy going, making it up, seventh round or later, that next year is like a top 30 pick, who's like a couple guys that that could be?

Just looking at this year, who are guys in the top 30, several of them are previously highly drafted running backs that kind of broke out last year. For instance, Travis Cetian, Brees Hall. And so a couple of guys that come to my mind here, and Javante Williams, this is sort of like a post-type guy. If Javante Williams can like down the stretch this year,

number one, show that he's back and healthy. And number two, sort of like the number one running back on this team, the lead back, he's going to get a lot of work in the passing game. I could see him ending up being like a top, four round guy or whatever, top three round guy next year, just based on projected usage, just based on the fact that he's going to be more healthy going into next year. So he's the first guy that comes to mind.

And then if you want to throw in a few of these rookie running backs, Kendra Miller for the Saints, if Jamal Williams is gone, if Alvin Camara is gone going into next year, like Kendra Miller could be, you know, the projected number one in this offense, and depending on what he does this year. And Kai's going, go frogs again.

Another TCU guy. I think he's kind of a sneaky guy that could sneak up into the top 30 next year. Tadje Spears, if Derek Henry retires or is traded or whatever, like ends up on a different team, not traded, but ends up on a different team. Or just runs for like, 1900 yards again

and we're like, ah, but he's probably done. This is the time. This is the last one. Right. And then at quarterback, Anthony Richardson, if he just goes off rushing, like, it's going to be hard not to pick him really, really highly.

Now, there's a caveat that, like, you know, you have to be like basically a top one or two quarterback to go top 30. So that might not happen. But I think if he, you know, does like a Cam Newton rookie year type performance, then all bets are off. So those are some of the guys that brought to my mind. Who did you have in mind, Hyfitz? I think those are all good picks.

I just, you mentioned Henry. Darcy emailed us like, who's the new Larry Fitzgerald, aka the guy who's 400 years old and you assume we'll fall off, but wins you the league every year is a fourth run pick. I'm like, well, it's going to be Derek Henry. Derek Henry went for 1900 yards last year. and we're like, ugh, God. And I'm like, well, he's the third oldest running back in the league.

I'm like, well, he's going to just keep doing this forever. Is there a world in which the Titans' offense is just way better than we're thinking it's going to be? Because I think right now the worry is Tanna Hill is cooked and the receiver suck. But if Tanna Hill, number one... And the line is not great either. Right. If the line improves or is just average at whatever, I think Tana Hill is better than everyone makes him out to be still. I think he's one of those guys that sort of just underrated every year.

Really? We're still on this? Daniel's underrated? He got the, he, oh, he's on, everyone knows Tannenhill is underrated. So, like,

he's now properly rated. Yeah, but we're still underrating him, I feel like. I mean, no one's fucking talking about him. He's like, he can't even move it. And everybody thinks

that the, the Titans offense is going to be just atrocious, which it might be, granted, but, I mean, look, Hyfitz,

we haven't ranked as a QB28. That's just insulting. I don't want him. That's below Jimmy Garoflo. You know why? There's 27 quarterbacks I'd rather have. I would disagree with that wholeheartedly.

in fact, I have them ranked the highest among us. So we can just skip like the top 15. It's like, all right, Jalen Hertz, Mahomes, Josh Allen, Burrow, Lamar, Justin Fields, Herbert, Lawrence, Dach, Daniel Jones, Tua, you know, Deshawn Watson, Kirk Cudson, Gino Smith, Jared Gough. That's, okay, that's 15. Anthony Richardson, Rogers, Russell Wilson, Stafford, all of them were upset. That's 19. This is like about where I start taking Tannehill. You take Pickett over Tannehill?

Yeah, because Cunning Pickett can still, Kenny Pickett's like. younger Tanahill, he can run, he can move. What if the Steelers are good? I guess. What George Pickens is one of the best receivers in the league? What about like Jordan Love? Who are you taking that? I think Jordan Love might be good.

You mentioned the Packers earlier. I think Jordan Love could suck. I think it's really weird that Jordan Love took a contract this all season that essentially bets against himself. It's like we're in this era where everyone bets on themselves. Jordan Love basically like took like less money for like security. It was really weird because he basically was like, just in case I'm awful.

and never get another deal from anyone. I want this money up front, which maybe that's smart. I don't know. But it was really weird that he was not like, I'm the guy. I'm going to keep this job.

Having said that, he also has a can and he's been sitting for three years. And I think sitting for quarterbacks is super underrated. Roger sat, Mahomes sat, Brady sat, Brie sat,

like almost every quarterback except like luck and Lawrence who's been good in the last 20 years, almost all of them ended up sitting. And then the, unless you went to like the best, most talented team like Dak or Russell Wilson did. But also like, I don't know he could run.

The Packers' offense, I think Jordan Love, like actually that could be a good team. Purdy, like if he's healthy, like it's the 49ers still. I don't know. I just, I can't fathom taking T. All right. Well, back to my point, basically, is there's a chance I think that the Titans offense could end up being better than we're assuming it is. And if that's the case, Derek Henry's going to get a lot of points.

It's going to score a lot of points, right? And so this is the answer to the question you asked is who's the new Larry Fitzgerald. Derek Henry's still up there, Treps Kelsey. The guy that came to my mind is James Connor, who I don't even know how old is. It just seems like he's really old. He might not even be that old. But James Connor is kind of this forgotten guy because he's on this Cardinals offense that everyone's just giving garbage. He got to Caprio two years ago.

Yeah, I mean, he's 28, which is really old for a running back. And he's like slow, just kind of like really big guy. I think he's a type of player that could just get the massive, massive, amount of volume and it just won't even matter. It's the biggest player on the Cardinals. They've Kyler Murray and then like five receivers who are under five nine. Roddell Moore. Markis Brown. Markis Brown is like 160 pounds. Markis Brown was the first receiver taken in that draft in 2019, right? And the entire conversation around Markees Brown was, is he too small to be a first rounder?

He is the biggest receiver on the Cardinals. I don't even think of them as small anymore just because relative to these other guys. Greg Dorch is like five, six. But it's Mission Impossible with Tom Cruise. They have to get like short actors, right? because they can't have people who are too tall around Tom Cruise. Do you think the Cardinals have done that with Kyler Murray? Or they can't have anyone like wait.

Like they can't get Mike Evans on the Cardinals because it'll just tower. Sure. I think that's possible. If Craig was here, he would have liked that. Damn. Oh, Craig. We missed you, Craig. Craig is like maybe listening to this on a beach and Mau.

You're like, nice. All right. On that note, you want to get to some dumb, stupid emails? Let's do that. All right. We asked a couple weeks ago at this point, we asked for people songs or bands that license their music to like a commercial or TV and it like ruined their reputation.

And now it's like all you think about with that song or band or whatever is like that commercial. We got good emails. So a few off the top that were good. Mike, I guess Chevrolet, Mike, Chevrolet, Mike, Chevrolet using like a rock. This is a great example. I don't even, I honestly, I thought they wrote the song for Chevrolet. I do. I thought it was a jingle.

I don't, I honestly. don't know if I knew it was like a real song. I'm not a big Bob Seeger fan. Apologies. Josh Syntheson. Shout out Josh. I thought Lust for Life by Iggy Pop was the jingle for Carnival Cruise Lines. I had no idea that was like a whole other song. Oh, that what I knew was a real song.

I actually I don't remember seeing these commercials. I also thought Iggy Pop was like made up. I didn't realize that was a real person. I thought that was like a fake person that like the Simpsons and like had made up. Like Russell Bland's character from Yeah, Alda Snow. Yeah, I thought he was like,

oh, that's not a real person. All right, but this is, now we're in the meat of it. Tyler wrote in to say the entire Shrek soundtrack. Everyone associated with Shrek. But I think that stuff kind of helped them. Yeah, so this was

Smash Mouth wrote All-Star, which I 100% just associate now with this Shrek movie, for sure. But that didn't hurt it, though. Everyone loves the Trek soundtrack. Well, here's how I think about it because it's not necessarily that it makes them less famous or they don't like the movie. It just to me, it like taints the image of them as like a band.

To me, I don't know what I'm like, it's hard to explain. You know what you're an 80s. You're an 80s guy and I don't know what the hell is going on in the 90s. But like I feel like people of your generation selling out has like, it's like the lowest level of hell is like for people who like sold out. Well, I don't actually feel that way like too hard. I wouldn't say like this. Sometimes it like doesn't help. But literally though,

Hyphids, here's like, here's what I think about when I think of smash mouth. Number one, the Shrek soundtrack. And number two, them like trolling people on Twitter. Like the smash mouth,

the smash mouth Twitter account is just like into politics. Those are the two. I don't even like, are they still band? Do they still play music? Are they, do they tour? Are they on the casino circuit?

I think. I don't know. I mean, I went to see a Springsteen concert and the next concert they were having was nickel back. who was also on tour just following Bruce Springsteen everywhere. So, I mean, I'm, yeah, smash mouth.

This is the best one, though, for, like, bands that, like, change how you think of them. This is from Jerry. Jerry. As a big fan of the Who, I am so sad that a great song, Who Are You, will forever be associated with David Caruso

pulling down his sunglasses on CSI. This is so fucking good. This is the exact... This is a perfect example of what I was talking about. Yeah, it's Horatio Kane, like this, like, eyes strangled by his pocket watch. And then Horatio King takes off the shades. Like, I guess someone ran out of time.

It's like, yeah! So abrupt. It's like a smash to the intro of music. There's a supercut on YouTube of just all the CSI-Miami intros with the one-liners. And he's like, Horatio, we found this woman with an ice pick through her skull. She's been in the freezer all week. And he's like, I guess this is a cold case. Yeah.

Oh, my God. This is another good reference. to forgetting Sarah Marshall. He's like, ouch, talk about dixical. Oh, God.

That is so good. This is the perfect, perfect example, because that is 100% what I think about now when I hear that song. Can you imagine, like, listening to that song

on, like, in your headphones? I can't imagine. Ironically. You can't listen to these songs anymore. Imagine listening to like a rock in your headphones. Like,

you just can't do it. It doesn't work anymore. Email us. Ring your Fantasy Football. Gmail.com, if anyone has other songs that, really that's what we're looking for. It's like, imagine listening to that in your car. It seems to be a real song. It's now a

commercial. That is that is the definition. You know what did it for me is Westworld had a cue like once every three episodes for Paint It Black by the Rolling Stones. And it has killed that song for me. I just can't imagine ever putting that on a playlist and listening to it.

Similarly, this is a good, this is a good, it's not a TV or something, but we got Nima from Trent, who made a great point. Trent. Isaiah, we're like the same age. So if you have thoughts on this, please. Good riddance by Green Day was ruined because on every single goodbye anything, every time you graduated or every time you left a grade, every time you've camp, like a camp ended, anything you ever did,

they put together a slideshow, prom, whatever. And they put together like a slideshow video. And it was always good riddance by Green Day was the thing playing over the slideshow for like my entire life. And now if you just, you cannot just play that song. know. I hope you had the time of your life. Yeah, for sure. This is the new age version of vitamin C's graduation, which was my generation. I mean, so you know that song. But yes, 100% you can't take that song seriously anymore at all. I have nothing else to say about that. I just thinking about

all the slideshets. Everyone just used that song. Dude, Green Day, honestly, though, it gets a bad rap. Like, dude, American Idiot was the first song I had on my iPod. My iPod. There were three songs on it, and it was American Idiot, and I had Vertigo by you two. But Vertigo starts with Bono, being like, Uno, Dos, Trace, Catoose, which is like 14 in Spanish, but I was like eight years old. So I thought that that meant four. I thought Cotorce was four in Spanish until I was like 20. Oh my God. I used to get so mad about that too. I was just so stunned that Bono was Irish, though, because that was like the first thing I

ever heard was Vertigo. I thought that Europeans were supposed to be better at languages. I know. You know, that us Americans, a stupid like one-language Americans. This is an excellent segue. because we got an email from Arturo, who not only does know that four is quattro, not Cotorce. But so Arturo says, and this is something to do with good riddance. He says, English is not my first language, and I only started using it regularly when I moved to the U.S. in high school.

All throughout high school, college, and deep into my career, I would say goodbye to people using the phrase good riddance. Since the word good is in it, I always thought it was a warm way to end the conversation until I, found out I was wrong two weeks ago. I'm 36 years old. Good riddance. I just love this so much. This guy's been telling like co-workers and bosses like leaving for the office. If we leave for the night and they're like good riddance.

This is like saying bond voyage or like, you know, I don't even know what the version in Spanish is. But like, you know, it makes a lot of sense when you think about it logically. Like he's saying good. Yeah. To be ridden's like an insult. rid of you like good it's good you know guys like picking up a girl from her house to have a date and telling your dad like good riddance i love these like signing like business emails good riddance this is a classic one uh we got a lot of these misused phrases and idioms by the way so this is

this this podcast but is also just a clearinghouse for us like going back in some of the inside jokes that we asked you guys to email us about we got a bunch of these misused phrases um and idioms that people have been using their whole life and not realizing that they're completely fucking up. I think the prompt we had was take it for granted with something that you hear a lot of people say for some reason.

Anyway, from Eric. Eric? Eric. One of my friends wrote in a group text that it was a doggie dog world instead of dog eat dog world. Doggy dog. My favorite one, I was literally just like cackling. This one's from Greg.

Greg with two Gs. A couple years ago. 60% G. My wife and I wanted to have a date night. So my brother-in-law offered to have my two daughters spend the night at his apartment downtown. My daughters were two and six years old, which is a very key part of this story. Two years old and six years old. So Greg's brother, his apartment is a small studio.

And one of the girls had a cold. So I asked how he was going to handle the sleeping arrangements. He assured me it wouldn't be a problem since he had an air mattress and the girls would go ass to mouth. I can't even read. it. This guy's brother told him that his two daughters are going to go ass to mouth. Greg in the email stipulates that he basically said, come again. Like what the fuck did you just say to me?

Apparently, Greg's brother spent the first 33 years of his life, believing the phrase going ass to mouth was another way of saying sleeping head to foot. After Greg explained it, what it actually meant. And Greg's brother, fact, checked it on Google and presumably porn hub, he assured me he would never used that term in connection with my daughters again, my two-year-old and six-year-old daughters. Jesus. I think this whole thing is just made me more afraid of, like, that there are other phrases

I'm still using. This is like, hyphids, by the way, used the term run a train with like a professor or something. Yeah, I realized. I just thought it meant you know, getting run over by a train. And I told a professor, they were like, how's the test? I'm like, ran train on me. I'm like, I thought it meant I go run over that train. How am I supposed to know?

Dude, that was bad. But I'm afraid I have more of those. Yeah, I am too. I'm afraid that you do too. Dude, that's, I mean, I'll be great. Ask the mouth. That one.

That was a fanat. Couldn't be clearer. Come on, man. Jeez. All right. We should probably also talk about, what a transition. Ask the mouth.

We should probably talk about Craig's wedding. Oh, God, dude. You're the transition king. That was not so good. Do we have to cut that? I don't know. We'll figure that. I'll figure that out later.

That's good. Craig's wedding. Can't confirm. Craig has a lot of friends. He wasn't lying. A lot of good friends. A lot of, dude, that wedding was insanely fun. A lot of dancing.

I would say the wedding, there was a really cool, I think, twist on the normal structure of a wedding where they did the wedding ceremony. They had like a little happy hour. And then they got, they brought everybody into like the dining hall. And everybody, they just made everybody dance for like an hour. Yes. The flow, it was the best flow for a wedding I've ever been to. Yeah.

And also shout out, just, they really love each other, which was super cute, actually. They're like, yeah, genuinely, like, you could tell, uh, these two people love each other very much and their whole, whole family, all the families love each other, like just love, love, love is so awesome. Wait, hold on, hold on. Kai, as we're talking about how much the couple loves each other, Kai just DM this to say, I'm still waiting for my invite. Because Kai is like 23 and still thinks everyone should be invited to their freaking

You have no idea what's coming for you, but you have no idea it's come down the pike. Let me interrupt the love. But I wasn't there, Kai says. I love it. It was awesome though.

But yeah, the flow was like the reception, which was beautiful, right into cocktail hour. And then into like the, you know, the room where you, you know, sit down with the dinner and stuff.

And, like, they introduced, they brought them in. And then what happened? They made like one little speech. They just did Craig and Liz's first dance. And then we all danced together, sat back down, salad, father-daughter dance, then, like, the two speeches, and then dinner. And I was like, this is great.

It's like dance, food, dance food. They didn't want anybody to have, like, a belly full of food and, like, not want to dance, I think. Which I love. Good strategy. It worked really well. It was super fun. Live band, which is awesome. Yeah.

And then there was like a room across where they basically, like, the last song of the, wedding. You're like, oh, and then instead of everyone kind of like, I feel like it ends up being like a mosh pit around the couple for the last song, they like left the dance floor. We were like what? And then they're like, come on, come on, come on. And like no one knew what was happening. So we just follow them. And they just run outside and they stop. And it's like a musical. I thought it was like Mamma Mia. And they're like, come on everybody. And then they usher everyone into the after party, which they just like had it like like a rave and we just played Mr. Brightside. It did feel choreographed. It was like a musical, like a trope from a musical.

everybody like runs into a different room and starts dancing. You know what the one part that sucked though? There was one, if Craig's listening to this and Liz, I'm sorry. If God, you know, Craig, Liz's parents listening, I'm sorry. The one part that sucked was Kai wasn't there. Yeah, I agree, actually. Like, I couldn't, like, that was just, I mean, brutal.

Big time snub. Big time snub. Oh, my God. Producer Kai. When Kai heard about that. From Matthew wants to know the best and the worst moment of Craig's wedding weekend. Well, the worst was Kai. What do you think the best was?

there. The worst moment was when it ended. How about that? And then the best moment I don't know, that's a good question. There was a point in time where High Fitz Craig and I were jump dancing in a circle joyously to... Oh, the Tom Tom!

The Tom Tom Club came on! That was crazy. They played it at the after party. And we just, I'm sure, like, to us, we're like, this is the greatest moment of our lives. And if I haven't seen him, like, this is the nerdyest. Look at these three white guys. Like, getting four inches off the ground with the vertical. Like it probably would, but to us,

granted it probably, I'm guessing it wasn't Craig's favorite moment from the wedding, but it was definitely mine. I hope this was like getting married. Right. Do you think? Like that would be, I actually was super concerned if that was his favorite moment.

Oh man. Anyways, yes, it was super fun. Congrats to Craig and Liz. I'm very glad that they're enjoying their time off this week. All right. Craig, I think Craig will be back next week. We'll do a whole debrief with he can explain to Kai, you know, why Kai was so snubbed. It's ridiculous.

Thank you to everyone for listening. Emails at ringerfancy football at gmail.com for thoughts on any of the football stuff we talked about, but let's be real. Sayings that are being said wrong, I cannot get enough of the icks. The icks are so funny. But it can't be clear. It's like you need to get them from women because the whole point is that we just don't get it. Watching and put on water shoes at a water. The number of like head injuries after this from bike exons is going to go out.

I know, yeah. wear a helmet. You know what looks cool? No helmet smoking sakes. That looks cool. That's cool, yeah. All right. Fantasyfewpoll.

orgorFerromancyfoolball at gmail.com. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig, for inviting us to his wedding. It was amazing. Thank you, Isaiah. And Liz. Oh, yeah. Well, sorry, yeah.

Liz. I don't know if Liz wants to be associated with anything you just talked about, honestly. But, yeah, thank you, Liz as well. Thank you, Isaiah for production help. Thank you, Kai, for production help producing this and inserting himself while we were trying to talk about how much they loved each other. Thank you. Intern Jack right here. Yeah. Wait, come here. Intern Jack, come here. Are you upset that you were not invited to the wedding?

No. That's the right answer. Thank you, Lauren. Thank you, the who. Nice. Bob Seeger. Shouts to Bob Seeger, who I've never listened to, really. I confused him at Pete Seeger a couple weeks ago, and I feel like. The Bob Singer fans of our listenership are pissed. They hate us. No, we just pissed off all the Brian Adams people. That was my bad. All the Canadians were so freaking out.

That was valid. That was bad. That was bad. Sorry about that Canadians. All right. Goodbye, everyone. All right, hold on. I know I just said goodbye.

We actually turned the mics back on. Wait, so Isaiah, who's here, you didn't know dog eat dog world? No, I definitely have been saying it wrong. Like, I've probably said it like three times in my life. I've definitely been saying it wrong. So it's dog eats dog? Yeah, dog eats dog. world. Like it's competitive. You got to eat the other dog or something if you want to get ahead.

Why do we pick dogs and don't eat dogs? I suppose a lot of other animals that eat each other. What is a dog eat dog world? What is the context you were saying? I don't know what that means either. I think I was saying and not know what it meant and now I know I'm saying it wrong. Did dogs like used to eat dogs? Can't confirm. Not sure. I mean probably at some point somewhere along the line. Dog eat. I've never thought. I think the best part about that email was like that the person didn't just say it. Because if you say a quick doggy dog world, like they put it in writing. Right. And it looks so dumb when you put it in dog.

Oh, yeah. That's terrible. Doggy dog written out is hilarious. That's a doggy dog world. There's so many of these, by the way. So this other guy brought up the term heights. Do you guys say this instead of height? Heights.

Heath? What? What's your heights? What? Instead of British? What are you talking about? Max said he's referred to how tall something is height. So H-E-I-G-H-T-H.

Instead of height, it's... I've heard this a lot. What's your height? Is that a thing? No, it's not a word. It's height. But it's the thing that people say that? Heights?

Yeah, it is. I've heard this a million times, by the way. You know, you just started scratching high up on your face like you used to do it. I scratch my neck. I scratch my neck. It's low. It's low on my head. Some people do it.

And I'm like, that sounds like you until you read the email. I want to shout out a guy named Ryan, Ryan, who said he called pancakes, Pancakes for his or almost his entire life, which I did too. My family, for some reason, called him Panicakes. I think this is like a Midwest thing or something. Yeah, like P-A-N-A cakes, pan-a-cakes. Anyway, my mom called them that.

And then my dad finally was just like, we got to stop doing this. This is not what they're called. They're called pancakes. You cook cakes in a pan. Hy-Fid's a speechless for the first time ever. I'm speechless. Dude, if I didn't mispronounce more stuff here than anybody,

I would make so much fun of you. But I'm definitely like, I think one of the reasons I got a job at the ringer is Bill wanted someone who could like pronounce more words wrong than him. Like my pronunciation, dyslexia is like actually like much worse than bills. But definitely I definitely have like the highest P-E-R in the mispronunciation. So yeah. Love it.

All right. Goodbye. Actually goodbye this time.