The Ringer NFL Show - Fantasy QB Rankings, Tiers, and Fears

Episode Date: August 2, 2024

The guys quickly debate how they feel about the new kickoff rules before reacting to the news that Justin Herbert, DeAndre Hopkins, and Geno Smith suffered injuries at training camp (1:42). Next, they walk through their quarterback rankings, place the QBs in tiers, and address their most pressing fears from The Ringer’s 2024 Fantasy Football Rankings (10:22). “You guys want to do some emails?” (51:34). Tier 1: Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, and Anthony Richardson (12:24) Tier 2: Kyler Murray, C.J. Stroud, Jordan Love, Dak Prescott, and Brock Purdy (25:09) Tier 3: Jayden Daniels (33:29) Tier 4: Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams, Jared Goff, Kirk Cousins, and Tua Tagovailoa (38:58) Tier 5: Justin Herbert, Matthew Stafford, Aaron Rodgers, Geno Smith, Baker Mayfield, Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson, and Will Levis (44:00) Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and I'm joined by Danny Kelly. And that's it. We actually already recorded this episode with Craig. Yesterday. Today is Thursday, August 1st. We recorded our quarterback tiers episode with Craig yesterday on Wednesday. But then so much stuff happened today that we wanted to talk about the stuff that happened today.

But Craig said his 30th birthday. And I didn't really want to bother him at his 30th birthday weekend away because Justin Herbert has planter fasciitis. That didn't really see that. So it's just going to be DK and I. So it's Thursday. We're going to just hit some news and a bunch of stuff that happened today. And then we'll get to quarterback here in a second. Also, we watched football.

Dude, football's back. We'll start with that. Football's back. Hall of Fame game. It's actually going on right now. So something crazy happens in the second half. Sorry, we'll do another one of these. The new kickoff.

I feel like we could talk with Davis Mills or Camakers, whatever. But the new kickoff, what did you think of the new kickoff and did it look weird to you? It definitely looked a little different. I would say my first impression was it wasn't as weird as I was expecting, but I think it's going to get weird as the year goes on. Right now, they're not really doing anything special with the blocking up front. There's a lot of different creative things that they can do with the blocking up front and the way that they run these. Right now, it's like very generic run up the middle of the field and just move on with lies because they don't want to put anything on tape for, you know, special teams, coaches, opponents to study so they can get ahead of it. So my first impression was like, oh, that doesn't look. as crazy as I thought, but I don't think we were seeing the real kickoff returns quite yet. Yeah, there's nothing kinky yet. Like, week one is when we're going to see the Cadarious Tony back pass or whatever to like that Welsh rugby player

for the Chiefs. But until that, it's just going to be a bunch of, oh, that's weird. The last one we saw, a guy caught it and he literally ran like four yards and then fell down. Yeah, that was tough. Also, if you've noticed it were talking about, they changed the kickoff rules. So basically, there's fewer injuries, but they can, so there's more returns with fewer injuries and they stole it

from the XFL. And I think it's actually going to be really cool. I think week one and week two in particular are actually going to be pretty fun. But just so you know, the onside kicks, actually, no onset kicks unless you're A, losing, B, declare you're going to do it, and it's the fourth quarter. So it is pretty different, honestly, with everything going on. So, yeah, that's a Hall of Fame game football's back. Also, Davis Mills juked out a defensive end, who I hope has a job tomorrow.

Hold on, how do you say his name? Quittoriano. How's that? You're asking me how to pronounce something? This is preseason football right here. Davis Mills to that guy for a touchdown. Football's back, baby. That's all that matters.

Okay. Speaking of other things that matter. Okay, so my God, Justin Herbert, charges quarterback, the Chargers official Twitter account tweeted this today. Following yesterday's practice, Justin Herbert was diagnosed with an injury to the planter fascia fascia. I don't know. Sounds fascist. I don't know. His foot thing.

In his right foot, doctors have recommended approximately two weeks in a boot, followed by a, I said boot weird. Doctors have recommended approximately two weeks in a boot, followed by a graduated return to play protocol with the expectation that he will be ready for the start of the regular season. One, weirdly elaborate tweet on a medical thing. Yeah, it's almost like when the team gives that much detail that makes you worried more. Yeah, they just tweeted Justin Herbert, parenthesis

foot. We're like, ah, he's fine, and now I'm like, oh, man, this seems bad. This seems serious. Like, he's, I'm actually pretty worried about this. This sucks. My dad had Planner Fiasia, he never shut up about it. This is, this does not go away. Eli Manning had it, like, it doesn't go away. Insanely painful injury. Yeah, it's constant pain. Dude, so later in this

episode, spoiler, we talked about how Joe Burrow, like, it's kind of always something with Joe Burrow, right? We're talking to this in our live show. Herbert's up there with the always something. Can you just have one normal? Dude, really? Herbert, that whole draft class, like Tua, Joe Burrow, Herbert,

it's kind of always something with those guys. Like, none of them are healthy, but like Herbert, you have, he ended last year with the, oh God, what was the finger injury? Sorry, it's July, August, training camp. I can't even keep him straight. I can't even keep track now.

He had the one where he got his spleen obliterated in Week 2 and Thursday night football was two years ago. And so he's just been a mess, the rib injury. And now it's like this foot injury will be there all year. It's just a pain tolerance thing. So that's fun.

So that's a worry. And Craig and I have been on the Chargers train this off season in terms of like the pendulum that swung too far against the Chargers. Like we think they're going to be better in fantasy than people are thinking. But now this is is threatening to ruin all the fun. This is good because I think you were starting to realize that I was probably right and that this is your off ramp. So this is good thing.

Right. Nice. Next up, Gina Smith, your Seahawks. Gina Smith has missed a couple of practices and is now, this is Thursday. So if Gino Smith practices tomorrow, which is Friday or August 2nd, that would actually be good for the Seahawks. But Gino has missed a couple practices and is getting testing and imaging for his knee and hip. And the Seahawks' backup quarterback is Sam Howell because they traded for him because Drew Locke went to the Giants.

Dek, are you ready for Sam Howell, Seac's quarterback? No. I'm not. I mean, look, it's early and we don't know anything about this injury yet. They haven't even really talked about what it is. They're being pretty quiet about it. And it doesn't seem like they're panicking. but anytime we get injured in preseason or in training camp,

it's definitely concerning. The Seahawks didn't tweet about it, which makes me feel better. Hip and knee. I don't love that. Dude, I'm not going to lie, that's old. That's some old. I also feel like I have issues with my hip and knee. So I'm less worried about this than the Herbert thing,

but it's definitely not great. I'm not feeling very good about it. And Sam Howell, an exciting player because he is not afraid to huck the ball up down the field, but he was just not good last year. I mean, he threw 20, I think it was 21 interceptions, which is that bad? It's not great. I don't love this. This is like, this happens every year where we're so excited about football.

We're getting back. Like the first game of football started literally today. It's so exciting. Everything is new and fresh. There's so many possibilities and everybody starts getting hurt. And not only is it, Herbert and Gina Smith, Deontry Hopkins receiver for the Tennessee Titans has an injury missing the entire preseason. The initial diagnosis for Hopkins is four to six weeks.

It's August 1. So that means, you know, week one is in question for Tandre Hopkins. Yep. Yikes for him. That sucks, especially because, you know. So it's good for our boy, Traylon Burks. Our boy. That was a collective.

Oh, is it a joke? Yeah. I mean, I don't, I mean, he might make the team now. No, it was not a joke. Oh, it wasn't? He was never not going to make the team. Come on. Well, yeah, but just because he was a first round pick.

Hopkins is 32. Not great when a 32-year-old gets into the injury on August 1st. I think this is probably good for fantasy-wise. I love just every time there's an injury, we're just the, Tim Robinson. How am I going to make money on this? How am I going to make money on this? It makes it easier.

Calvin Ridley, I think that the Titans were this weird 1A, 1B, like Calvin Ridley was under, and now it's way less ambiguity. Calvin Ridley played really well for the Jaguars. I think they kind of used him weird. They had him on a ton of go routes and stuff. And also he... Low probability throws.

The rust. He forgot that the white lines mean that's out of bounds because of the suspension. So now that he remembers where the green grass is. And also the Titans' new offensive coordinator, Nick Holes. I don't know, H-O-L-Z? Holtz?

Holtz? I'm not sure. Steve Holes. Holes. I'm guessing Holtz, but we'll look into that. Anyway, he came from Jackson, but I think that even though he came from Jackson, I think that Calvin Ridley will probably be used a little differently this year and probably more

to his conducive to his skill set, especially with Hopkins gone. I think Levis is just like a Blue Mountain State going to feed the number one guy. So I think actually it's probably better for Calvin Ridley. Yep. And yeah, it sucks. The league's better with the Adjah Hopkins doesn't have an injury. I'm bummed.

Yeah. A lot of injuries. All right. Well, on that lovely note, anything else? You want to just get over it? Let's get to the quarterback tiers. QBee. All right. Get back to the show.

Next up, quarterback tiers we recorded this Wednesday, which is why Craig doesn't bring up Justin Herbert's planter fasciitis. But yeah, happy birthday, Craig. We're in Los Angeles. We are going to do our quarterback tiers today.

So our rankings are at fancy football.com, but to be totally honest, the best way to draft is you want rankings and tiers because you want, basically you want to buy position group all the players into basically groups of players of somewhat equal value

so that you can just kind of figure out live in your draft when it's like, tick, tick, and you're like freaking out. Oh, there's like, eight quarterbacks left I still like and two running backs, take a running back and see you don't panic. And so if you just kind of put it in the work to be like,

oh, who am I actually comfortable with and draw a red line? And that way you don't just panic and totally just regret one random August 29th date for the rest of your life. Yeah, bucketing players with similar potential. Right. You just, like in an ideal world, you want to get like the last guy in the tier every time, right? But that's not realistic.

I actually don't even know if that's true because when, especially if you're in an auction draft, if you're in an auction draft and there's one guy left in the tier, that guy actually might go for more. He's going to go for more. Yeah. And a couple of guys in the middle of the tier. But in the snake draft, I mean, like,

in theory, you're getting the most value if you get the last guy in every tier. Yeah. I don't know. Well, we're here actually recording some Bill Simmons's office and he would say that if you'd be mad at me. You do your bugger brain. That's or whatever.

Bougar eater or whatever. Eat your boogers. Isn't that how cavemen got smart in a way, you know? By eating their own boogers? Or maybe it was bone marrow. It was bone marrow. It was bone marrow. They ate their own bone marrow and that's how they got smarter.

Not their own boon marrow. They ate other people's bone marrow? Yeah. And that's how they got smarter? It's the theory. Sapiens. Is that Aaron Rogers' theory? Yes.

Have you read Sapiens? I have. It's really cool. I know. I've thought about reading it. I don't know what that is. You've all Herrara, right? You've all know a Harari.

Yeah. It's a good book. Yeah. It's quite long, I believe. It's super long. Books are so long. Maybe audiobook. Just out of words.

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All right. So quarterback, just to start off here, do you guys want a really good quarterback this year or do you want to just wait and just get one of the random, the infinite 6'4 white pocket passing quarterbacks at the end of the draft? I have completely abandoned like the like take a late QB thing.

Like I am so fully good QB pilled or something. Yeah, you're online. I think just saying pilled means you're online. Yeah, yeah. No, I absolutely want one of the big, I think there's a big five, and I want one of them. Who's your big five? Lamar, Josh, Mahomes, Hertz, and Anthony Richardson. Ooh, I like the last one.

That's the end of the team. I think, like, I like those top guys, and I'm trying to come away with a, my strategy on quarterback is I want to come away with a guy that is going to give me a huge advantage at the position, and the way that they do that, generally speaking, is they either throw 50 touchdowns, or they run a lot. And the 50 touchdowns had happened like four times out. Like Mahomes, you know. So I think like there are some guys who are going later that could do that,

but you're taking a risk by not grabbing one of the big rushing quarterbacks like Lamar, Josh. Jaylon Hertz. Jaylen Hertz, of course. Richardson. Richardson. To a degree, yeah. And then I think there's a couple other guys that could rush a lot and could run a lot and get a lot of touchdowns, but we just don't really know.

And we'll talk about those guys. So we're going to go through our quarterbacks here. And we're just going to actually right now, we're going to basically negotiate out what our tiers should be. And then we're actually going to update our rankings of fantasyf football.com so that when you click in each position, these tiers that we argue at right now will come up in the format. And then we have a draft tracker at fantasyfutball.org.com. So if you're doing your draft on whatever platform, ESPN or Yahoo Sleeper,

and you want to use our different platform, which, not to tutor our own horn, but one of the best ways to just take advantage of your draft is don't use the same rankings everyone else is looking at. Like, that's just the easiest way to get value. So use our stuff. Yeah, do your own research with our research. Yeah, exactly. You do your own research because we did the research for you.

Yeah. Just don't do everybody else's research. Use our research. This is Aaron Rogers approved? Yeah, he is. Aaron Rogers approved research. Okay. So starting tier one, tier one quarterbacks.

Josh Allen for the Bills. Jalen Hertz for the Eagles. Lamar Jackson for the Ravens, no question. I think my question is, is this a tier of just those three guys? And then Patrick Mahomes gets like his own tier? Is it a tier of like Josh Allen hurts Lamar because they all run.

Is Mahomes in there too? Should Anthony Richardson be in there? Like, is this... Because part of me is like, are those the top three and then Mahomas should be like fourth? He's just like... Right.

I think it's a big five. I kind of lean the other way. I feel like Josh Allen hurts Lamar. They are in their own tier because they have proven year in and year out that they're going to run a lot. They're going to score a lot of touchdowns. And they are essentially giving you

a running back, like an RB2 and a QB1 in one. roster spot on your team. Yeah, but Richardson was like literally the best quarterback in the league in fantasy points per drop back last. Yeah, but it was, but it's, it's such a small sample.

I think that's what the difference is. Because in a perfect world, if he's fully healthy all year long, unquestionably deserves to be in that. Yeah, okay. But doesn't it have to prove it? Anthony Richardson has played 17 football games since he was in high school.

And it's, it has to matter a little. Right. There's just so, there's just so much more variance with him than the other guys. they've proven it year and year out. I've seen Lamar won two MVPs. I've seen the Great Pyramids of Egypt.

Like I've seen Josh Allen. I think, I'm on the wavelength with you, D.K., because there is like a question, basically would you, I think the essence of a tier, and this is why I encourage people to make their own tiers and edit them, the essence of a tier is, I don't actually care how you rank these people in the group as long as they're in the same group.

Yeah. Josh Allen, Jalen hurts Lamar Jackson. I don't care if you take Lamar Jackson first. I don't care if you take Gillen Hertz first. I would not take Anthony Richardson over Josh Allen. Josh Allen has been the number one scoring fantasy quarterback in three of the past four seasons, number one. And the year he was not, he was number two. You're not taking Anthony Richardson over him.

Like, you can't rake him over. I think that's fine. I honestly genuinely think that's fine. Wait, Craig is taking him. You would take him over? I think if somebody did, I'd be totally okay with that. To me, I'm like, look, he lost Stefan Diggs. There's a wrinkle there.

And Jalen Hurts doesn't have Jason Kelsey. I do think there are variables factored into both these guys around. I'm like, I don't know if this is going to be the... I mean, there's an entirely new offense getting put in in Philadelphia right now. Okay, but would you do it, though? Yeah, I would absolutely take Anthony Richardson over Jaylon Hurts. Would you really? Yes, yes, I will.

He's going hard on Anthony this year. To be clear, when I said take him, are you saying, like, I would take Anthony Richardson two rounds later? Or like, they're both there. They're both there. Sitting in front of me, I would take Anthony Richardson over Jalen Hertz. Honestly, I don't hate it. It sounds nuts, but like if you just said that two years about Jalen Hertz versus Lamar Jackson, he would have won your league in 2022.

So I don't. I want to say you're nuts, but I think it's actually just, it's trusting your eyes because, again, Anthony Richardson, the 18 fantasy points in six minutes first of time. I just can't get over that. Yeah, I mean, look, I understand, but I do, I also feel like, if you're in a league with friends who, like, are into fantasy and they're, like, are watching and keeping up with everything,

Anthony Richardson is by far that, like, the sexiest most talked about player in the offseason right now, you're not going to be able to get him in tier two. Like, he is going to be included with the rest of these guys, I guarantee it. So tier one, we're saying. saying so it's Josh Allen Hertz Lamar, Patrick Mahomes, Richardson. So what happens to Kyler? Because I do not think at all. The next group is Kyler Murray. And then it's like CJ Stroud, Jordan Love, Joe Burrow, Dak Prescott, like pocket passing guys. Kyler Murray ran for 14 touchdowns or some crazy. Am I making that up? No, how many touchdowns

that he ran for in 2020? Four years ago? Shut the fuck up. Right. It was a lot. He ran for 11, 11 and 2020. Like he can't be in the the same group as Gilboro. Okay, but the last three years, 533. Right, I was going to say, well, not all three of those years.

He has said that he doesn't want to run as much. Yeah, yeah. He said he wasn't going to play video games as much. And he has stopped. So, hold on, Ben Simmons said he'd play basketball.

So are you guys, so Craig, I guess you would be the person to ask, since you really want to put Anthony Richardson in tier one. I think you could talk me into Mahomes being outside of tier one more than you could Anthony Richardson.

Right. Dude, but, most is the greatest quarterback. Everton? So what? I know. It's not like Brady

was the top five quarterback the last three years of his career, even though he was playing great. Are we saying so tier one is Josh Allen Hertz, Lamar, Mahomes,

and Richardson. I think it's a big five, yeah. But look, I'm willing to be overruled. DK, what do you think? Do you think of, because the way I've actually...

The second the season starts, Anthony Richardson is going have 32 points in week one or we're going to be like, fuck. Fuck. Yeah. Honestly,

you're right about that. I'll give you that. I just feel like there's way more risk with him, though. I do like the week one test of like, think about if this guy explodes, would you redo this in week one? I'm like, honestly, yeah, I need to see it one time. I immediately regret this.

I think it needs to either be Alan Hertz, Lamar, Mahomes, and Richardson in Tier 1, and then Kyler in his own tier in tier 2, or I think we need to split those guys out. And I think I personally would do Tier 1, Alan Hertz, Lamar, Tier 2, Mahomes, Richardson, Murray. That kind of makes sense. You think Kyler's with Mahomes and Anthony Richardson?

Yeah. I do. No way. You know what? I thought about it for four months and I thought yesterday asked me right there and I was like, yeah, no, I don't believe that. Kyler, Kyler's the best of the next group. You're telling me if you're in a draft and Kyler and Anthony Richardson are sitting right there and Patrick Mahomes,

you'd be like, I could see myself taking Kyler. No, he's right. I would not take Kyler over Mahom's here. He's right. No, he's right. He's right. Leave me alone, Craig. Kyle is the best of the right.

We're in person now so I feel like I can physically assault. He's just like, fuck this guy. No, I think, actually, Craig actually stared me down right there. I was like, you know what he's right? I'm not. Called your bluff. I am not taking Kyler over, Richardson. Like, there's no chance.

And like, my own rule. So I guess is Kyler in his own tier then? Well, I think let's lock in the top five. I actually feel really good about that. Where it's like, it's the four best rushing quarterbacks in the NFL and Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. And like, that just makes sense.

Like, those are the five quarterbacks who should go. All right, so let's lock that in. That's literally what it is. It's the four best rushers. The only thing you could convince me, I was if you want a mini-tier it with just Mahomes and Richardson and, like, tier one B, that's fine. No, because then we're making it so complicated. Like, imagine, like, everyone listening right now, we're like, all right, so it's like a tier one A and then a tier one B. It's like, fuck that.

Like, just tier one is the four best rushing quarterbacks in the NFL and Patrick Mahomes. Like, that just makes common sense. It's exactly how we would do it. Like, in our drafts and the least we care about, like, that's just, that is it. I also, the other thing I will say about this group. And the reason I agree, like, in terms of what we're actually going to do this year. I want one of these guys. or I'm going to be the like or Kyler but if I'm not getting one of them I'm the last person to take a quarterback because I actually love the way if you do mock drafts or you can do best ball or whatever just to like game it out best ball's a little weird because receivers go like rounds and rounds and rather than your real draft will but I love how your teams come out if you start with like a running back or a receiver in the first two rounds and if you can get like Lamar Jackson and you can still get his tight ed like Mark Andrews or you can get Travis Kelsey in Holmes or you can get um

John and Dalton Kincaid, or even Kyler Murray and Trey McBride. I love how the teams come out where you have this quarterback tight-end stack. You have a great running back. You have a receiver. And you can hit like a few more receivers, come back around and try to get your number two running back being, you know, there's so many guys. Like I don't even love all. Austin Eckler or Camara just look good. Is your number two running back?

Austin Neckler's probably toast. But like you get a nodgy Harris, Jailon Warren. Yeah. Like there's all there are so many running backs. Joe Mixing for the Texas. Like there's so many running backs you can come around or even like Gus Edwards if you want to just like back. Phil, you know. Josh Jacobs.

There are so many guys. So anyway, I, I like, that's my strategies. I would love to do, like, a quarterback, maybe a tight-end stack if you want to be cheeky. But if you don't, I'm waiting for, I don't like the next tier. I want to be clear about that. Of quarterback, yeah. Where did we land? So we landed to Josh Allen.

Big five. Jalen Hertz, Lamar Jackson, Mahomes, and Anthony Richardson's the big five. That's the tier one. Okay. I can't tell with Hertz. Can we briefly talk about Hertz? What do you mean? You can't tell?

So, like, I go back and forth. I have had Hertz at one and five in my rankings and, like, everywhere in between. I can't figure out if I'm like a guy had 15 rushing touchdowns last year I think he's an awesome player but I'm also like all right everything's different now their center's gone

who is like the center piece of the office I would not overre I would not over it brand new offensive scheme they have a new running back they have a new center and the vibes are kind of weird I don't know I feel like a lot

actually is different the vibes are weird but I wouldn't overrate the tush push because they're going to do it first of all other teams did the tush push it works it's honestly it was a difference

they're not going to give it up and 90% success yeah it's it's still, the Eagles are still going to be doing the push and they're still going to use it. It's like a binary thing. It's like, yes, they're going to do it or no, they're not going to do it. Maybe they're not going to be doing it as much. The reason why Hertz was who he was.

I have this stat somewhere, but it was like, Lamar Jackson had like nine rushes inside the five last year or over the last year. Jalen Hertz is 36. Yeah. So I'm just like, I'm just making, I just want to make sure that that's still going to happen. I think that's fair, but I still go back to 2022. Jailen Hertz had more games over 30 than under 20. And there's, and again, Jailen Hertz also fell off last year because he had this ankle injury. Yeah, he was offence.

And it collapsed. He was still the number two quarterback on the season. I also think there is a Russell Wilson-esque thing here where his off, the offense that Jalen Hertz plays in is the Jalen Hertz offense. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like he's not a quarterback that they're just going to be like, oh,

we're going to abandon running him now because we got Syquine Barclay or because we can't do the touch push. I don't think that's going to be the case. He's going to still do his thing. He's going to scramble a lot. You know, maybe he doesn't score quite as many touchdowns, but he's still going to be scoring a ton of rushing yard,

of rushing fantasy points, especially relative to like almost every other quarterback. A down season for Hertz is a rushing touchdown every other game. That would be bad. Yeah, like eight, nine rushing touchdowns. So I'm still really good on hers. And also, like, maybe the touch push is more of a product of the fact that he can squat like 620 pounds.

Can we talk about the, I will say the vibes, though, I think it's the realest thing for the Eagles because... Yeah, it's just like, I don't know. When I'm taking a quarterback this high, in an auction, if I'm spending 50 bucks on a quarterback, like, I want to make sure I'm heading into this season and my boys on the squad are happy. You know?

I want the vibes to be high. I don't want to turn on an Eagles game every week and be like, fuck. The vibes are kind of good, though, I think. Well, no, Nick Seria. No, the vibes are awful. No, the vibes are awful. He's a figure-head. He's the head coach.

He's the fucking head coach. Yeah, but I mean, he's a figurehead. Yeah, that's bad vibes. Like, that's, like, he can get fired. Everything we've heard out of Eagles training camp has been positive in terms of, like, what the offense looks like. I don't, sure about that. But I think we're, so just for prologue, Craig nailed the eagle season last year, which was a Super Bowl hangover, where they actually woke up drunk, started 10 and 1,

and then the hangover set up, and it was like, set in and it was the worst ever. Collapse, one and six, destroyed. And Sunday at 5 p.m., that's us after the live show. And so the Eagles, they're going into the season. They have a new offensive coordinator. They have Kellynne Moore. They have a new defensive coordinator in Vic Fangio.

And so they have Nick Siriani as the head coach. So how he was offence that he won't. Howie Roseman hired Kellyn Moore? Yeah, well, the things are like a baseball team. Like the Yankees now, the Yankees have a man. have a manager, but Aaron Boone doesn't, like, the front offices for baseball teams now kind of do way more of the stuff that managers used to.

The Eagles are like that as a football team where they're doing a lot more. Like you always hear about coaches that have personnel controller, Kyle Shanahan or Bill Belichick. The Eagles are the other way. The front office is way more power than most teams do. Brian Jayball chose Shane Bowen. He, like, walked into Joe Shane and was like,

this is my D.C., we're hiring him. Exactly. Sirioni was not like I want Kellynne Moore. Sirrani was informed we will be high. hiring a new offensive coordinator. And so Nick She's what I'm saying. Assistant to the general manager. Assistant to the general manager.

And so Nick Siriani, though, like, so now he's just this guy who... Now he's like... He needs a bad vibe. But I don't think he mattered. I do feel like he doesn't matter. Dude. But when Big Dom... He's not doing shit?

Why does he matter? I don't know. He matters because if they start three and three, he's going to get fired. You matter because I feel like him and Jalen hurts are having really weird comments back and forth in the media. Who has more power? Hurts by a mile. It shouldn't have to be a question that is Jalen Hertz going to get Nick Serrani fired in, like, October.

Like, I don't know how you're ignoring this. You don't want your, one of the highest picks you take in your draft to have their coach get fired four weeks in the season. If the Eagles start 0-and-2, everyone in Philly Media is going to be like Nick Seriani should be fired, and it's all Jailen-Hurz-Lefs to talk about. I think Big Don should be the coach. Honestly, Big Dom should be the coach. His title, his title? His title is like head of coaching operations. What?

Head of coaching? Like he operates Nick Siriana, like a meet puppet. I'm going to look up his job title. Anyway, he got promoted. To your point. I just think Seriati doesn't matter. Siriani is the most emotional roller. That's so weird.

I just think he's like irrelevant to me. Like the head coach. He's there. He's just a guy that's in the building. I don't see probably right. All right. You guys want to move on? All right.

Next tier here. So is Kyler alone? So what's the question? The next guys in our rankings are Kyler Murray, C.J. Stroud, Jordan Love, Joe Burrow, Burrow, Dak, Prescott. we can lump Kyler in with them, but I think it's this simple.

Would you take CJ Stroud or Jordan Love over it? Would you take CJ Stroud over Callow? Would you take Jordan Love over him? No. The upside of the Upsych. Stroud doesn't have the rushing upside. No, I would take Kyler. I think the hate's gone a little too far on Stroud.

I think Haifitz has been kind of anti-Straud for so long that it's seeped into my brain. I love CJ Stroud. I just think the problem is everybody loves CJ Stroud. And hence I would like to sell my CJ Stroud stock while everyone's agreeing. That's totally fair. I agree that I'd probably take Kyler over Stroud, but do I think it's like a question? Yeah.

Do I think... I think that's fair. Yeah, if someone... All right, fine. So the next tier should probably be Kyler, Stroud, Jordan Love. Yeah. You could stop.

Jack? I would like to move Joe Burrow down. I don't think Burrough should be in this. I don't think Burroughs should be in this tier. I don't think Burroughs are bumming me out. I like guys who throw football three days in a row. Can we call this tier? I still love Burrough.

I can throw football three days in a row. Joe Burrow cannot. Burrow and three? He's not allowed. We need to name this. Burrow and three or no? I don't know. Whatever.

Burrow and three? That didn't really make any sense. It's all right. No bad ideas in a brain story. So wait, so the next year is Kyler Stroudge. Burrude and love. I think move, do we want,

I think, I think Dak, should Brock Purdy be in this year? With Kyler and love? Yeah, I have to ask. I have to ask. I'm contractually obligated to ask.

Yeah. Also, Big Dom's coaching title is, he is in charge of game day coaching operations, as opposed to he was the senior advisor to the GM and chief security officer now he's in charge of game day coaching operations Did you?

I met the get back guy Dude I met Big Dom at the Combine Did you? How was he? Was he big man? Didn't you get a selfie with him? So I would never like the professionalism with like being around these guys I would never have asked I've never in my life

has a player for picture or coach but I was like Big Dom like I don't know He's a cartoon character And I walked right by Siriani I had no idea I didn't realize He's just a guy. I'm telling you. I didn't notice him in the hotel lobby.

You're strengthening my case. I honestly didn't notice me. I was there. I don't know what you mean by that. He doesn't matter. Michael Scott if he got angry more? He doesn't matter. Purdy was a QB7 last year.

18 and a half of me. That's why I have to ask. If someone wants Purdy over Jordan Love, what I'm going to do, fight them? Like, Purdy over Dak Prescott? Like, I get it. Purdy outscored Z. Yeah. Dude, that's, I think that, I think this answers her question.

But so did Kurt Cousin. But, well, he tore his Achilles. Tier one is the top big, the best four rushers the NFL and Mahomes. Tier two is the really good young pocket passers. It's like Kyler Murray. I don't understand why Kyler's not in the top group. Because to Craig's point, the rushing happened four years ago, and I have to acknowledge that. And again, the core thing with the tiers is, can you actually rank these guys in any order?

And like, with a straight face. I don't think you can put Kyler in that first tier. Craig made a point for Anthony Richardson with a straight face over Hertz. get it. Tier two is Kyler Stroud, Jordan Love, Dak, Brock. You can order those guys in any order with a straight face. Even if you disagree, I don't think you can get up in arms about it. I think that's

fair. IMO. Dak is so weird because I'm like, I don't even think about him. And yet, Jack was like one of the highest paid player ever, but like for real. He probably should have been the MVP last year. He was a top four quarterback in fantasy.

The MVP probably should have been Patrick Holmes. no I mean statistically it was like his worst season I know but do we should we do this I mean it's a regular season award and DAC was incredible it probably should have been fucking Dak he had that one bad game and it just like killed

remember that weird stretch where it was like every week there was a new MVP candidate and then they got killed on Sunday and then it changed to a new guy I just like you know Sha Shaq said this about the NBA award this year because they had this whole argument on um inside the NBA and Shaq was like I think it like people talk about stats He's like, MVP should go to the baddest motherfucker. And I was like, it's, it's Mahomes.

Like, it's this year. It's like, who's the guy you don't want? Who's the defense the most scared of? Yeah, like, Lamar, like, I love, Lamar had an amazing season. I'm not taking anything away from him. Well, I'm taking an MVP away. But, like, the-

highest honor that the NFL can do. Ravens had the best defense in, like, years. And he played incredible. And, like, Mahom. Rashad Bateman, you know, didn't play a time, but first-round pick. Say, Flowers was a first-round pick. Mark Andrews was a high pick.

He had all these offensive line, like, Mahomes had the worst receiving core in the entire league and they led the league and draw. I don't know. We have to relitigate this, but I'm like, I don't know. I'm like, the Cowboys went 12 and 4. Dak had 36 touchdowns and 9 picks and they were 4,500 yards. Whatever. Do you want him in fantasy?

Well, this is why it's so weird. I feel like nothing has really changed. I mean, assuming like C.D. Lamb plays this year. Yeah. Theoretically, this is going to be the exact same situation and he was a top four guy and we're kind of just like, yeah, but not really. Okay, I just think. He's just...

I don't want DAC because I don't want any of these pocket passers. I want to take the weight and take the last one. I want Jordan Love. If I have to... Because I think he's going to go the latest of this group.

And I also think Jordan Love has the highest up. I mean, Kyler's the guy that if Kyler fell, I would like Kyler. But if I don't think Kyler, I'm going to say it again, is in his own tier.

I don't think he's in the same tier as these pocket passers. He still averaged last year coming off an ACL. He averaged over five points a game rushing. I agree with you. But in total, that was he averaged 18 points a game,

which is like... But he was coming off an ACL. He came back in October from an ASE. I agree with D.K. I think that the reason I like Kyler and then I was pushing from the maybe be in the big six is because I think everyone's just forgotten that Kyler Murray is a really good runner because he came back mid-season from this ACL injury and they're the Cardinals. And like, let's be real, how often do you think about the Arizona Cardinals?

Like how, you know? He could have much better passing numbers too this year. You got Marvin Harrison, another year with Troy McBride, the offense gets going. But we can't just give out our own tier to Willie-Nilly. Like, you know who deserves their own tier? Kyle Pitts every year, tight end gets his own. I think we can do whatever the fuck we want.

Damn. Why can't we do it? Because it's good. I don't know. I want to do it. I'm just saying it. Kyler tours ACL. 2022. 2022.

Right. So before that though, like 2020, before he got injured, he once again, averaged 18 fantasy points a game. I'm just like, that's kind of basically what Craig's point is,

I just think it's fair to put him at the top of this tier. He's my number one quarterback in this tier. Anti- Richardson average 18 fantasy points per game last year. Yeah, But the perfect thing was weird. Yeah, he left half the games of injury. He wasn't playing at him.

He averaged like, he was really nine points a quarter. Yeah. Per dropback, again, number one. I'm just like, if somebody looked me in the eyes, it was like, I'm taking Jordan Love over Kyler Murray. I'm not going to be like stupid decision. I think that a tier for its number one player has to be like unanimous.

Like, it has to be like three keys in the submarine. I feel like I've disagreed with all your guys's tier so far, but that's fine. You can overrule me. Right, about D. D.K. Spocker, right, about everything. All right. All right. So I think we just lock it.

and then Kyler, Stroud, love, Dak, Purdy, and we're going to drop Burrow? D.K., how do you feel about that as somebody who's kind of in opposition of all of our decisions? Yeah, someone who hates us. I'm still very hopeful and optimistic for Burrow, but I don't think you can completely ignore the risk stuff. It's really weird.

I really hate that I'm like, I've become like the horseman of the apocalypse that one of the most fun players in the entire league is, like, I don't, I'm not trying to be like the NFL is so much, more fun when Joe Burrow is elite. Also, the only person who's actually put up a fight against Patrick Mones, like the only one. Having said that, he can't throw football three days in a row.

Like, what is, like, I don't know. If he, honestly, it's the difference. If he had the little questionable tag for the draft, like, it makes you think, like, once you take Joe Burrow and he's got that little cue and you're like, is that going to be there all year? Yeah. Yeah. Like, honestly, it's just, if you're talking about risk, he has more risk.

Yeah. Period. Like, objectively, it's more risky. Even though he could be awesome. He could have a career year, and I wouldn't be that surprised, but, you know, the injury is legitimate concern. Yeah. So I think we move him down. I think we move Purdy up just because Purdy, I don't think it's hard to argue that

Pretty should be there with Dak and them. Here's my question. I know we're begrudgingly just being like pretty fine. He's really good. He's there. He's doing great. Here's my question for the next tier. I would argue, I think the next guy we have here is Jaden Daniels.

We're starting tier three. No, yeah, this is tier three. So, tier one is the top five guys, tier two. We have... Kyler is the top one in tier three, though. Yeah. No, Kyler is the top one tier two, yeah. I'm glad we made this so simple for ourselves, yeah.

No, we're here. Five guys in tier one. Five guys in tier two. This is as simple as it can be, actually. That is pretty easy. Yeah, wow, good for us. So I kind of think Jane Daniels should be his own tier. And maybe you want to put care...

Now you want to your own tier. Because there's no one even remotely... I don't know. Here's why. Here's why. If the tier is just... Because we just... 10 quarterbacks.

Yeah. So now we're approaching, it's really just like a bunch of backups that you're going to mix and match. I actually love having, I love that we do our, I think it's like

Jane Daniels is just tier three, just tier four, Joe Burrow, and then we go to your five. Just rankings? No, here's why, here's why,

here's why. I'm going to read the next. It would actually be a good. It would be a good thing. 30 tiers. So here's what he, we could agree on anything. Tier two.

Yeah, no, tier 28 is Cardin, Chubon, and Daniel Jones. Can I read the next list of quarterbacks? Here's why I think Jaden Daniels, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams, Jared Goff, Kirk Cousins, Tua. And I'm like, just Jaden Daniels's fantasy profile have anything in common with those people?

Like, no, it's like, Jaden Daniels could throw for 190 yards a game, but run for like... He has such an incredible floor. And that's the thing. The rushing, the combo, it's like he could be great as he could be great as in real life and for fantasy BRG3. He could be as bad of a passer as Justin Fields and still be the QB3. And I'm like, that's not true for any of these other guys. Like he could just be Justin Field. Yeah.

So how are we going to lump in move with Justin Herbert or Joe Burrow? Like I really do think he's unlike anyone else and it should be designated as such because he's just a different, and he's going to start immediately. So I think he's a different kind of guy. I can get behind that. He's the Ricky Bobby team. How do you feel about Jane Daniels being ahead of Joe Burrow? I mean, in fantasy, I'm fine with it.

What's Joe, seriously, what is actually Joe Burroughs upside, that the wrist injury is fine, he gets over it, and then he, like, leads the league in passing touchdowns? Yeah, yeah, the, you know, the possibilities with Burrow are, yes, he could have 45 passing touchdowns. Wouldn't shock me whatsoever. Even those offensive coordinator left to become the head coach of the Titans, and, you know.

But like in terms of, when we're just talking fantasy, like straight up, the rushers are way more valuable. And he's going, Jane, Daniels especially because he had in college, if he waited, the way that he played, he was scrambling a ton. Even if they don't utilize him as a designed rush guy, which I think they will, by the way, but even if they don't do it as much as we are thinking, he's going to run around a lot. There's big question marks about their offensive line. He's really explosive.

They're probably going to be playing from behind a lot. You know, he could be the type of guy. Remember a couple years ago when Jalen Hertz would do nothing for the first three quarters and then score like 20 points in the fourth quarter? Like, I could see Jane Daniels being that guy this year. from a pure fantasy point of view, I don't have any problem ranking Jaden Daniels really aggressively because I think that's the type of player you're looking for in fantasy.

Your upside with Burrow is 22. Burrow threw for 35 touchdowns, 12 picks, 4,500 yards. He was the QB4. He averaged 22 points a game. I think the thing is with Burrow, there's also a case for Trevor Lawrence. It's a case for Goff. There's a kick, Kirk Cousins, Herbert, Tua.

All those guys have like, oh, well, they could have a great year. And I look at Jaden O'Brien. And it's just the supply demand to me. Just like the supply of quarterbacks you can do what D.K. said is Jaden Daniels and Justin Fields if he starts for Pittsburgh. And if you want to argue Caleb Williams having less rushing, but like better passing, sure. But like, right. So that, that's where I'm just a Jaden. So I think tier three is just Jaden. Daniels. Hell yeah. We do every, every single position group, we should have one guy who's his own tier.

It makes sense. Are we trying to play on it. You literally, I literally was just arguing for this about like five minutes ago and you guys. Yeah, but he shows me bad. And this was good. No, I disagree. We should do it for every single category or every position. That's so fun. Pitts, Daniels, who's the running back? I feel like I'm getting freaking gaslighted right now. Gas lit? Gaslighted. Gaslighted. You just gaslit yourself into thinking gaslighted was a real word.

I hosted a party and I turned my gas stove on with my ass. And I blame, yeah. My ass lighted yourself. Well, my friend Claire was like, Danny, you just did that. And I was like, no, you did that. Gaslighting. She's like, I did? I was like, gaslighting.

Oh, my God. Anyway. Is Devon A-chan in his own tier? Yes, he's it. He's it for the running backs. He's his own tier. Yeah. There's never been anyone like him ever.

We're not talking about running backs right now. Whatever. We need to, we just need a wide receiver. There's never been anyone like H&. Receiver. I mean, is it? Who is the receiver? It's hard.

It's hard. Dude, Cooper Cup. Jack just through Cooper Cup. I actually think Cooper Cup's not bad because he's not. He's kind of like, could be the wide receiver one overall. Yeah, could be number one receiver also like might not play. Like he literally is a year away. He's a year off of a triple crown.

Unfortunately, I do think. We should probably lump Diggs in with them, just because Diggs is all... Semantics. Technically, that season ended in 2023. Just to recap, so our top 10 quarterbacks, we have Tier 1 is Josh Allen, Jalen, Jalen, Hurts, Lamar Jackson, Mahomes, and Richardson. So Tier 1 is the best four rushers in Mahomes. Tier 2 is Kyler Murray, C.J. Stroud, Jordan Love,

Dack, Prescott, Brock Purdy. That's 10 quarterbacks. Tier 3 is Jaden Daniels, just him. And then Tier 4 is honestly just pocket passers, for the most part. With question marks. With question marks, but also some upside. So Joe Burrow, if he's healthy, he's awesome, but wrist injury. Justin Herbert, who is like a top for real-life quarterback but is playing for maybe the most run heavy offense in the NFL.

Trevor Lawrence, who I actually think is really good, even though people keep meming him, like having Daniel Jones's stats, which as a Giants fan, I think it's hilarious when people question it. I'm like, I would trade. I would do like horrible things to spot. Unspeakable things. I would do like crimes. Crimes. I would have to go in front of like the Hague for the shit I would do to get Trevor Lawrence for data. Okay.

So he's there. Caleb Williams, who I feel like it's like the most fun of all these guys. I think Caleb Williams would be a fun ride. Jared Goff, where Detroit just has another season of just like all their games are indoors. If you look at their schedule, like Jared Goff would have good.

It is lining up really well for God. 14 of 17 are in a dome. I looked at the Lions and I was like, oh, well, like, you know, their defense was bad. It might be better this year. And like, oh, maybe it won't be. Dude, they really, they just have, they're the Mario Kart Rainbow Strip again.

And also, Craig, you were gone for that episode, but Deacon and I cracked the case that he can't throw on the road because we think he can't poop away from his house. Yeah. I mean, it's a real thing. It happens to all this. Read a book.

Yeah, you know. Traveling binds you up. It does. Your brain just knows from like your space. Anyway, so Gough, cousins, and Tua. That's Hock Tua. Three, six, seven. That's seven guys.

Why didn't he just say that? I don't know. Honestly, honestly, I didn't mean to it. It was like, it was reflexive. It was subconscious. You got to walk to a pole. Vote on that thing. We've been saying that for the last two days.

Walk to a pole. and vote on that. Is it the Hillary Clinton means? Yeah, I love all Hillary means. Okay. Any thoughts? I think this tier, I think basically what I want to do is I want to, if I don't get one of those top guys, top five guys.

I don't know Herbert's in this tier. You think you'd move him back down? You think we're too high on Herbert? You know, that with Joe Burrell? Like, what are we doing? You don't think he's even in the same tier as Herbert? We can move Herbert down. You want him with Kirk Cous?

We can move lower down the tier. I don't know. If somebody was like, I'm going to take Justin Herbert. over Joe Burrow, would you be like, yeah, I support that. I don't know, you tell me, you guys are the one that hate Joe Burrow. I'm the one, well, you guys are the ones who keep talking about the Chargers passing offense. Look, I do think that, like, the Chargers wide receivers are pretty undervalued right now. But I'm like, I don't know, Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams to me seem like,

and even maybe Goff feel like in a higher tier. Maybe even Tua. I don't know. I'm like, Tua led the league in passing last year. He could throw for 40 touchdowns this year. Goff is like one of the best offenses in the league. Caleb is a dual threat. You know, Trevor Lawrence had like the most unlucky season ever last year

and is another kind of a dual threat guy. And then Burroughs Burrow, I don't think Herbert has any shot of leading the league in any passing category. I'm totally fine with that. I don't want Herbert. I agree. To be clear, I agree with you what you're saying with the church and receivers. I just think it's Ladd-Baconke, not Josh Palmer.

But I agree with you that Herbert- I don't think you're right. There's no path for if the, like, I think there's a point of being like, like how many ifs do you need? And it's like, if the chargers actually get what they want out of the season, Herbert will be a below average total volume player. Occam's Razor. So yeah, I'm fine to move forward to this.

That's fine. How do you feel about that? Yeah, that's fine. Okay. Okay, so then this tier is, and again, basically back of quarterback. More like I'm just like tired of arguing with you guys. Well, that's what the, that is the complete of the show. Middle fucking child.

Craig and I have older brothers. I'm quiet quitting on this podcast. The, correct? Are you a middle child? Yeah. That's why we have older brothers. We're born in it. He's just like five, whatever.

I was born in the darkest. You have no idea what it was like. Dude, our brothers would have so much. I think our brothers have a lot in common. My brother was visiting like a couple weeks ago and he had to go. We had, he came over for lunch to my apartment and he was like, should I just because I was like, oh, I have to go. I have recording.

And he's like, should I just like hop on the Zoom and see how long it takes for them to realize it's not you? Like, do you think he could have gone 20 seconds without speaking and you kind of wouldn't have known it's him versus me because we look very similar. I think I would have noticed. Immediately? I mean, we would have noticed.

Over Zoom? Okay. All right. I thought I was going to. Zoom is still like your face. It's pixelated. It's not as clear. I thought it was going to be a good prank.

You should have tried. Okay. So then strategy-wise, I would pair one of these guys to Jaden Daniels for like upside. We're two of them together. I don't feel good about having just golf, but I would do golf. So we're doing Tier 4. So Tier 3 is Jaden Daniels on his own. Tier 4.

Borough, Lawrence, Caleb, Jared Gough, Kirk Tua. Yeah, Kirk Tua. Give them the old Kirk Tua. Kirk Tua. And vote on that, throw on that thing. Tier six, these are guys that honestly, like, it's just really star-studded waivers.

Wait, hold on. I kind of feel like we could even have a bigger tier than this. I don't know. You think, like Rogers? Like Rogers, Stafford. Yeah, they're all guys that just can be on your bench and, like, maybe they'll be good. So the next group we have here is Justin Herbert,

Matt Stafford, Aaron Rogers, There's Gino Smith, Baker, Russell Wilson, Deshawn Watson, Will Levis. I feel like, I mean, Roger just speaks for himself. Like, he does speak for himself. I think that these guys are all like high upside backups or pick them up if they do well. Like, Deshawn Watson, I mean, I can't say I want to spend my Sundays like being like, go to Sean Watson. But like in terms of his performance, I actually do think, I feel like he'll probably actually be better this year. I think he's hard not to be.

Yeah, he was like the worst quarterback. But he did have a shoulder kind of destroyed. Yeah. And I look at Deshaun Watson. I'm like, all right, he'll probably be better. Will Levis. Everyone was worried about Anthony Richardson's shoulder injury, but Deshawn Watson was actually

worse. He was feuding with Kevin Stefansky, the Browns said coach. They were publicly disagree about the diagnosis. Right, they were not on the same page. No, which is very... Nothing about that has been... Nothing about Deshaun Watson has been normal for half a decade at this point. Yeah. I mean, I think anybody in this tier has a ceiling like when everything goes right.

You know, like any of these guys could be top 10 quarterbacks. Herbert, if the defense collapses and they're playing from behind a bunch, has to throw, and he's really efficient. There's a bunch of touchdowns. I mean, like, last year, Russell Wilson. I know.

Type of season. Stafford is like, look, if Buka Cup and Stafford play 17 games, Stavard is probably going to be like fringe. Yeah, but they did that last year. I mean, Cup did it by no, but Stafford play, Stafford actually is a lot like Herbert,

sub- MVP level playing last year. Like, Stafford, I actually think was like fourth an MVP, like, should have been the fourth most valuable player right there with like Lamar and Mahomes and Dak. But he average 15 points a game. You know what I mean? Right. But so like, and that's-

Because Kyron stole all his touchdowns. You know what this tier is? This tier to me is the argument for doing Superflex in fantasy where like the Mahomes becomes the first pick or Lamar Jackson or Joshon's the first pick. Because I look at this group and like if you do a 10-team league, one quarterback, all these guys will be on waivers. Justin Herbert, Stafford, Aaron Rogers, Gino Smith, Baker, Russell Wilson, DeShon Watson will love us. Well, they won't be on waivers.

They'll just be on your bench. No, dude. Some might be on waivers. These are, this is like 24 quarterbacks in the 10-team league. I think they're all, like, half these guys have been. Not everybody has two quarterbacks. Half these guys have been waivers. It's pretty common to have a backup on your team, no.

I don't know. If there's a bunch of guys on waivers that you could just pick up, some people just prefer not to have a backup quarterback. Trevor Lawrence is not like on the waiver. Not Lawrence, but if that's the point, though, because if we go to Tua, that's like, what is that, is 18-19 quarterbacks for us? If you're in a 10-team league, if Herbert Stafford Rogers, Gino Baker, Russ, Deschon Watson-Levis are on waivers,

why do you need to add? And like, yeah, I don't know. You know what I mean? Like, some degree, it's match-up. Who do you,

who do you like the most in terms of like, who are you kind of excited about if you take this guy for your backup quarterback in one quarterback league? Or if you're playing a super flex. Like, really excited, like potentially has the most fun potential or upside potential. Um,

because I feel like some of these guys are floor plays. Stafford's a floor play. Geno's a floor play. Mayfield is a floor play. It's probably Deshawn Watson or Aaron Rogers. Yeah, What about not Levis? Statistically, it's DeShon Watson.

I think that it's the easiest case to make for him, like, statistically. I find it, like, somewhat emotionally constipating to have him on my fantasy football team. Like, I just, it's just like, I just don't want him on my team, but like. Kind of like Rogers, too. Yeah. Rogers could throw for 45 touchdowns and it'd be like, yeah. Yeah, he's full of moral clarity, too. Yeah.

He's got it all figured out. You should look into it. I should look into that. What about Daniel Jones? I would rather scratch my, no. Well, let's not ask him. quarterback coming off the ACL injury and the neck issue? That's fine. With no offensive line? Yeah, with no offensive

line. Yeah, no, I'm good. Thanks. Okay. I do think Will Levitton is Super Flex League. I think Will Levis is a really good third quarterback. I like to I like to imagine a world when Will Levis is a top ten fantasy quarterback. I don't think he's going to be a top ten real life quarterback, but it just seems fun. Levis is the opposite of a foreplay. He's like

random spike week guy. Right. All right. So that's our, that's our tier five. And then tier six is just, yeah, it's the Derek Carr's, the Daniel Jones guys that we actively would do. Tier 7. Whatever, man. I can't count.

Yeah. LeBron with the not one, not two, not three. Justin Fields is increasingly becoming more of a realistic last round pick, right? Oh, yeah. Justin Fields, I would take over all these guys because if he played week one, the outside is. If Russ tears his ACL tomorrow, what tier is Justin Fields in?

Dude, I would put fields in that. He's like Fringed tier two? He's like in the Jane Daniels here. I would take, I would put him if, well, if you're saying Russ is out for this season? Yes. Fringed tier two. I would take fields above.

Like Stroud? Honestly, yeah. Dude, Justin Fields, even when the Bears sucked. He ran for a thousand yards. He ran for a thousand fucking yards. That's only been done three times by a quarterback. Like Michael Vick, Lamar Jackson and Justin Fields.

Like, I would take him. I just, yeah. There's some, that's actually the answer. Justin Fields should actually be, do you know why he's also perfect? Because if Russell Wilson starts week one and they win, you can cut Justin Fields, but if Russell Wilson like plays terribly and gets hurt in week one

and Fields is starting, like I think Fields is a top 10 guy like every week in our rankings. There's also, there's just a little weirdness right now with, I think there's some ambiguity where they're going to kind of let the, let this thing play out a little. If Justin Fields takes the job, he'll take the job. He's the most important. waiver guy to monitor of the year.

It's not even close. Right. So it's also one of the more interesting camp battles we've had in a long time. Like Russell Wilson is like a Hall of Famer, Super Bowl winning quarterback, like all about leadership. And like coming to a new team after this bizarre experience in Denver, even in this weird contract situation where it's like everybody knows that like the Broncos are paying him all this money and the Steelers aren't paying him anything. And then Fields coming in is this like weird first top 10 pick who like it's like the jury's out and like whether or not he should he. even like be a starting quarterback in the NFL. And like the fact of like those two are battling, like,

I feel like both quarterbacks could, like I feel like Justin Fields is like, I'm obviously way better than Russell Wilson. And Russell Wilson is like, I'm obviously way better than Justin Fields. Mike Tomlin was asked about those two exactly the dynamic he said. And Arthur Smith, who was fired as head coach. And Mike Tomlin just says like, I like it because all three of these guys, frankly, have a lot to prove. Yeah, totally.

And I don't know. I just think it's like such a weird dynamic between the two of them. I know that Russ is all like fake, like, happy to have him here. happy to love competing. Yeah, but it's not Trevor Simeon versus Brock Osweiler, like a quarterback. It's a very straight. It's a very high-profile battle. What if they just play them both?

Just a platoon. I think in 30 years, if football and America in the world still exist, that like two quarterback systems will actually be the new offense. But we don't have to find one, though. Yeah. True. Also, I'm pretty sure the sled thing, he was not pushing one of those, like defensive sleds. He was pushing like a weighted sled for like a workout.

Oh, is that right? Well, like a reindeer? You know those like, you know there's just like those like metal sliding sleds that you like put like stacks of like you put like a plate. Right, right. He was doing like in the weight room. He wasn't on the field. Well, I think he was maybe doing it on the field, but it was a workout. It was the first day of the conditioning test.

He's going over. Yeah. It was a new test. I feel bad as poor people. What's the, what is, what is that sled called the like defensive sled that like the offensive sled? Like the offensive lineman thing. What does that call that? That big sled.

A sled. A blocking sled. Called a blocking sled. Is there a name for that? Probably. I don't know. Okay. I just sleds.

Just sleds. Anyway, sled's a funny word. Sled. Yeah, already lost all meaning. Sled. Okay. You got emails? Emails.

God, okay. All right. So, on, what day is it? It's Wednesday. If stuff has happened, don't yell at us. This one's from William. Will. Yay.

Go it's Will I am, actually. Can you imagine if you listen to the show? No. I just need to, William says, I need you all to settle a dumb argument between my friends. He's pasta salad. pasta. No.

Yes. I say no. Is pasta salad pasta? It's like is macaroni and cheese pasta? Yes. Yes. No, it's not. What do you mean? It's not. I mean, it's made out of the same like material. Tell me how it's different. Would you ever say? How is it different from Cacho Pepper? It's a completely different. It's like a completely different food how we picture it. And how we reference it. It's pasta. Because we. It's pasta.

If you're talking like scientifically, yes, it's pasta. It's like, it's literally. It's Literally, pasta. Right. Why is he asking the fucking question? Because no one thinks of pasta salad as pasta. If you say, I want to go have some pasta for dinner. No one's having pasta salad. I agree that it's not what you necessarily picture of. Why is the question being asked then?

Of course it's pasta. It's made literally out of pasta. So then what are we arguing about? How people actually use it and reference it. It's like fruit salad is like tomatoes of fruit, but it's not a fruit. But fruit salad is fruit. You could argue that pasta salad falls under and, Antipasto.

Get the anti-pasta is pasta? I'm just saying it is- Before pastas, it's pasta. But if you Google anti-pasto, like pasta salad will pop up. Like, it is, that is more likely to be featured as an appetizer on an Italian menu than a main course. But if you put pasta, if you take a pot of pasta and you like- The pasta word is losing all meaningfully. Yeah, but you put in like mayonnaise on it.

You're like, well, that's not pasta anymore. I think ridiculous. it's still pasta. No, no, no. If you tell, okay, so you're having a dinner party, he's like, invite some friends over, you're saying, yeah, we're going to have some pasta for dinner. And then you make them macaroni and cheese, they're going to think you're fucking insane. That is, but mac and cheese is pasta. It is. But they're going to think you're fucking insane. They're going to think you're a lunatic. If you say, we're having pasta for dinner, and then you make them macaroni and cheese. Yeah, I think just, in terms of like how people

it's like, am I being cranked? They don't think of mac and cheese because it has my specific name. Yes. But it is still pasta. That's just like the way that we, you know, that's just like the way we perceive these dishes. Yeah, I agree. I think that you can be right. Which is what I'm arguing.

But it is pasta. It's fucking pasta. Like, how do you have you have this conversation? Look, I understand scientifically it's the same thing. What I mean scientifically? Why even ask the fucking question? I didn't ask the question. He asked the question.

Will is the real. You literally did ask me the question. William asked the question. I read the question. Yeah, why'd you read the question then? Because because I want, I just thought it was easy to, figure out. I didn't anticipate. Yeah, it is easy to figure out. It's not pasta.

I feel like I'm taking crazy. Okay, spiritually. So what is it? Spiritually. If you want to say spiritual. It's a side. It's a side. Spiritually is like a vague. I mean, we can do anything. We're in Los Angeles. Like it's a, you know, it's a spiritual town. Yeah. I'm not religious. I'm just spiritual.

Is cereal bread? Are pretzels bread? Right. I feel like you guys are... Serial bread. Like, to me it's very clear, they're different things. Like, the way that they're used and the way they're referenced and the way that we communicate what we're eating to each other. Like, it's like, is a burrito the same as whatever other Mexican food that has the exact same ingredients?

It's like presented differently. I know what you're saying. Is that a burrito? I know what you're saying because it's like, oh, it's a hot dog a sandwich. And it's like, it's because it's kind of like a trick of the light. I think the problem is... Right. Pasta.

Like, sandwich isn't in the name hot dog. Pasta. salad, the only two ingredients are like pasta and like mayonnaise. And like vegetables. And yeah, I know, but like those, like if there's pasta mayonnaise by definition it's pasta salad, I'm like, how is it not pasta? If you microwave it, it's definitely

pasta. Can you microwave mayonnaise? You can't do that, right? What? Can you microwave mayonnaise? Doesn't it get hot and like it... Seems like that would be disgusting. Yeah. You're not supposed to, there's a reason you're not supposed to microwave mayonnaise, right? I've never heard of it. I don't know, but it sounds disgusting. But in theory, like, there's nothing you have

with mayonnaise that you, like, heat up. other than like a grilled cheese? Yeah, I guess that's true. But you put mayonnaise on hot things. Like you put mayonnaise on a burger. Like what? I guess my question is like if you have pasta salad, why wouldn't you might? You would never microwave pasta salad, but like why not?

No, I was just joking more so that like pasta salad is typically served cold. But if it was hot, I would feel like it's more pasta. More regular pasta. I think, is it the temperature? Have you ever eaten pasta salad as a main? No, it's a side. Yeah. Is it the temperature, you think?

Like, if pasta salad was hot, it would be pasta? Like, is it the problem? That's what I'm saying? If you microwave pasta salad, it feels more like, true pasta. Yeah. It's like some weird-ass pasta that Italian people would be

outraged that you're eating. But right, pasta salad would be an appetizer. That doesn't mean it's not pasta. It's just weird to have pasta as an appetizer. I mean, it's obviously scientifically pasta. In use, it's not pasta. I get what you're saying.

I do too, but I even have qualms with that statement. Why? I don't know, because it is pasta. We've just Americanized the fuck out of it. and called it something else, but it is pasta. Here's like, I get what you're saying about the spiritually.

I think about this way. I just think like why even ask the question. It's American caccio pepe. I mean, you have macaroni and cheese. I'm picturing your son Calvin, who's five years old, like taking a fork and thing of pasta salad and taking a bite and turns and saying, hey, dad, is this pasta? And you're like, no. Yeah, you wouldn't say that. Would you say no?

Yes. Yeah. How would you explain this to Calvin, your literal five-year-old son? I would say that's pasta salad. So it's pasta. So it's pasta. Oh, sorry, you said mac and cheese? Yes.

No, I'm saying, or... I thought you're talking about mac and cheese. Mac and cheese is even better, sure. Yeah, I would absolutely not say mac and cheese is pasta. No. So he's like, so this is, so this is not pasta. Correct. So what is it?

Macaroni and cheese is not pasta. It's macaroni and cheese. Okay, wait. There's a very, very big difference. Okay, but what if it's not even macaroni? What if it's just like a different shape? This is what I'm saying? Let's go deeper.

What is mac and cheese to you? Yeah. Noodles with cheese. What's caccio pepe? I don't know. I haven't made it before. What is it? Cachio pepe is literally just like parmesan,

pepper and noodles. Right. Famous Italian pasta dish. Right, but what do you think of when you think of macaroni and cheese? It's a specific thing. It's a specific thing. But I'm saying like...

I think of like the... If I make you a dish with whatever type of noodle, farfalle, and I cover it in melted Gouda and cheddar and Munster and I bake it.

Is that mac and cheese or is that pasta? Mac and cheese. Why? Because that's what I've always called it and that's what it's people call it. But I'm not using macaroni and I'm not using craft cheese or whatever you think is typically on mac and cheese. Like it's just, I'm just putting cheese on pasta. Is that mac and cheese now? It depends on if it's like a common thing that people use and call mac and cheese.

See, I think... What if you just have pasta and you just kind of throw some like butter on it and some salt pepper? Is that just buttered noodles? Yes. What if you come over and take the Parmesan on it? Put some parmesan on it. And you mix it up and there's so much cheese. Now it's like actually more cheese than butter originally.

What is that now? It depends on how much cheese we're talking. A lot. That's not pasta anymore? If you sprinkle some cheese on buttered noodles, that's not macular cheese. So here's my thing. If you, so what I'm saying is words are, you guys are like arguing that words have no meaning. You're the one.

No, we're arguing words have meaning. Pasta is pasta. No, no, you're not. I'm saying any pasta with cheese on it is pasta. Yeah. Because it is. No, because it's like subgroups. Everything has a.

specific name for it. What are you talking about? Macaroni and cheese is a specific thing. Agreed, but it's a subgroup underneath the umbrella of pasta. Because by definition, it's pasta. Right. Also, what are the other groups? Of noodles and

sauce? Yeah. I mean, there's like a million. I don't know. There's a million specific dishes that you would call a specific name. You want to just to call everything pasta? Would you say mac and cheese is a type of pasta? That's all. If you're saying, like, oh, spaghetti is spaghetti. Yeah.

You guys are... You guys are arguing, like, I understand that it's literally pasta. I'm saying nobody fucking says that. So it's irrelevant. Okay, we're going to do a poll. Yes. Is mac and cheese? What are you fucking talking about?

Of course, it's pasta. I understand scientifically it's the same substance. No, but I want to make sure we accurately word this poll. I think the poll should say, if somebody said, no. I think, you know what I think the actual differences, and I don't know why, but this is like, I can't believe you're on hyphitz's side on this. No, no, I think. I know.

I feel like you should do it. That's a red flag for you. No, it's a red flag for him. Here's, I think. Fighting between my two parents. I can't explain why, but this is. This sums it up. I hear what you're saying when I'm like, I hear what you're saying.

I'm going to make pasta and I make mac and cheese. You're like, oh, that's not what I was envisioning. That's like a misdirection. But I also think if I take a bite of mac and cheese and I'm like, oh, this is pasta. You're like, no, it's not. That's also kind of whack. Okay. Right?

Like, if you said, no, this is not pasta. weird thing to say. I think in the spirit of the question, it makes no sense to say, yes, it's pasta. Why are you fucking asking if it's pasta? The poll should say, because it's not.

That's why he's asking. Well, I never heard me to ask until I saw this question. Is pasta salad pasta? Of course it's not. Oh. That's why he asked the question. All right, so that's the poll. Does this guy actually think pasta salad is salad or pasta, I mean?

It's not salad. That's the thing. It's not salad or pasta. No, I think that's neither. I think that's the poll. Is pasta salad pasta? And I think yes or no? And I'm like, yes, it is pasta. I think you're a lunatic if you think pasta salad is pasta.

I think you're lunatic if you think it's salad. I think it's pasta. Fine. I actually just had pasta salad last weekend. And it was a giant bowl of tortellini, cold. If you ate it for a whole meal. No, I had on the side. It was on 4th of July.

I had on the side of a hot dog. Which I don't know what the fuck a hot dog is. You know what's ironic is we did a pretty good job. Sandwich. Like pacing this episode. I don't actually. I don't know how long it's going to be. I want to make the poll about mac and cheese.

I think the poll should be like, when you think of mac and cheese, do you think of pasta? But he had it before. It's like, is it's either is pasta salad pasta or is mac and cheese pasta? And I think it's just like yes or no, because he's like emphatically,

no, of course not. That's the simplest version. I don't want to say is mac and cheese pasta because D.K's admitting that it is pasta. But pasta salad, he just said it's not pasta. Is a taco salad? No.

Taco requires a tortilla. Yeah, tacos is a shape. There's tortillas in it. Little strips. It needs to be. In a full tortilla. The definitional difference. Oh, so you think a taco has to have a very specific set of parameters.

This isn't coming out how you think it's coming out. Yeah. I have absolutely no doubt that I'm right about this. A taco is a shape of a thing. It's a specific set of ways that you make it that everyone knows what it means. That's to me what pasta is. It is meat sauce and toppings inside of a taco. I think here's my actual question for you.

If I have pasta, macaron cheese is a specific thing that people can picture. How much cheese do I need a grate on part? Parmesan, you're saying that there's a spectrum where eventually, if I added enough cheese, it would cease to be a pasta dish in a way. Like, if I do it, like, two seconds of, like, if I have just buttered noodles and I just scrape some Parmesan. He's saying, like, if there's only a little bit of cheese, it's pasta, but then if there's a lot

of cheese, it doesn't really make a lot of sense. If I kept going, it would eventually become like a mac and cheese thing. It becomes what is everyone acknowledges is mac and cheese. But we have to get to the core of the question, which is, which is what? Is mac and cheese pasta? I think the core is the simplest one is the poll is this pasta salad pasta. yes or no or is mac and cheese pasta yes or no like that's the that's where he like that's the core disagreement because right now still if I ask you is mac and cheese pasta are you still saying no

yeah okay okay then we should make that that's the poll yeah okay I don't think do you think mac and cheese is pasta yes yeah it's just a type of pasta weird it's a type of pasta noodles with cheese on it it's just an americanized dish I just think you you would think someone was insane if they said we're having pasta for dinner and it was mac and cheese I agree because the words matter yeah but that'd be like if I was like we're having spaghetti dinner and then I serve them lasagna. They'd be like, this is just different than what you said, but they're still both pastas. It's just not the pasta.

You think that would be a normal thing if someone said we're having lasagna and you got, or spaghetti and they got lasagna? No, no, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying like, if I was like, hey, everybody, I'm serving spaghetti for dinner tonight. Come on over. And then I served them, Kachioi Pepe. Maybe like, or I don't know. If I was like, I think what you're saying is mac and cheese is so popular.

It has its own name so that like, you usually don't refer to it. But it's like, I agree that like, you know, they're having pasta for dinner. oh, I wasn't envisioning mac and cheese, but it's not the kind of pasta I envisioned. But it is pasta. No, I understand that. I mean, I understand what you're saying that pasta is, pasta salad is literally made out of the same substance as pasta. So why is it not pasta?

Because the name matters. Pasta is something that people specifically know what that is. The name is pasta. Macaroni is pasta. I know. So a taco salad is a taco salad. No, because a taco salad is a thing that is a shape. And when you take the shell and.

In a salad. When you take the shell and break it and put it over the ingredients. It's a specific way that you make it. No. No. When the taco shell. You know a taco salad is not a taco. You know pasta salad is not a main.

It's not a salad. It's not a pasta. No, it's ridiculous. I'm saying that the words that you use to describe something matter. And when someone says, we're having pasta for dinner, no one thinks, oh, it's going to be a pasta salad. Be that as it may, it's still pasta. Yes, exactly. It literally, yes.

It literally is pasta. I'm aware of that. You don't know really weird way I don't even know if we disagree. You guys are arguing with me? Like, I can't comprehend that it's made out of pasta, which I understand.

All right, we got to, thank you, D.K. So we got nowhere. We are going to make a poll. If you're on Spotify, please vote. Even if you're on another platform, please go to Spotify and vote in the poll. We need to know about this. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig.

Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Jack. Oh my God. Thank you everyone to listen to slogging through that. Oh my God. Please vote in the poll. I don't know. Email us at Ring of Fantasy Football.

He had to witness that. Jack grew a beard from the time that we've been here. Email us at Ring Your Fantasy Football at gmail.com. If you have thoughts on pasta salad and mac and cheese, vote in the poll. Thank you, Lauren. Thank you. T. Nice.

Do you see where we're coming from, though? Yes, obviously. Don't disrespect T. I like that. Dude. Yeah, fine, fair. We've got to talk about T.I. a little bit.

I love, dude. T.I. He was right there with Jay C. and I'm and Adam and Kanye for like a couple years. He had his moment. He had some hits. Yeah. Live your life. That was everywhere. Yeah. Yeah, such a good song. It's like the early aughts. Yeah, rubber band man. That whole era.

Rubber band man? That song's great. Swagger like us. What does T.I stand for? There's initials. Wow, what does T.I. I've never looked that up. Let's get into it. Oh, he also had this song with Justin Timberlake. What is it? Not since you've been gone.

the uh so long if i can't sing what is it timberland look it up everyone's screaming right now the old he's dead and gone dead and gone yeah dead and gone there you go his name is cliff harris oh great job at the rebrand what does ti stand for

what does ti stand for you're tip it stems from his childhood nickname tip there you go okay dead and gone was good dead and gone dead and gone He had a really good peak there for a while.

Yeah. Oh, remember whatever you like, you could have whatever you like. Oh, yeah. It was really good. Yeah. Was it one of his songs in The Hangover? Oh, bring them out. Maybe not.

No, I think you're thinking of Floorida. Yes, Floorida. Yeah. And then also the Kanye's song when they go to the city and say, what is it the? Oh, can't tell me nothing. Yes. No, I don't think I was singing that one. The flow right.

No, you're thinking of right round. you spend my hair That's like pasta Yeah Should we ask T I have pasta salad as pasta Yeah he's the foremost authority on it Shout out to William Who just emailed us in the most chaotic segment

He knew what he was doing Because he knew that Because we're the authority Stupid shit Someone would have an insane opinion on it So all he said How are we insane? All he so William was just like

I'm gonna ask these guys He's gonna toss a fucking grenade Yeah he's tossing a grenade And letting us go at it. He just created a tsunami. I just can't push back for one thing. If Jack, you came over for dinner and Jackie was making pasta and it was pasta salad, you'd be like, fuck you.

You'd be like, this is insane. I can't believe she did this. For a Maine? I wouldn't say fuck you because I'm a normal human being. Internally. She's going to make like a chicken. On the way home with Skippy, you'd be like, she said pasta. It was pasta salad. It was pasta salad. And then the pasta is pasta salad. You'd be like, you'd go home after the dinner. If she said, I'm going to

have pasta on the side, I'd be like, yeah, that's fine. Pasta salad. Pasta on the side. But no one says, I'm going to have pasta on the side. But you were like, what's for dinner? And she's like, oh, yeah, I made a chicken and there's some pasta inside. And then the pasta was pasta salad. You drive home with Skippy after you and be like, that was crazy. She had pasta salad and said pasta, right?

If you made chicken and then had pasta salad on the side, I think it'd be a little weird. But she said pasta and it was pasta salad. You'd be like, that was weird. Yeah. I don't think it's that weird. I think pasta and pasta salad mean completely different things. And I'm going to, I will die on that hill. They mean different things.

Sorry. Words matter. No, look, they do mean different things. I know, but the words matter. They're just different types of pasta. I'm like with you until you take the words matter Uppity Horse High Hill because then it's like, but pasta's in the word.

They're just different kind of pasta dishes. You're just trying to trick me if you say we're having pasta and then we have pasta salad. Look, I agree. Fine, but then you need to come up with a new name for pasta salad because if it's not pasta, we can't call that. I'll come up with a new name. I don't care.

All right. We have a recording. It's like, if I was like, hey, come over. I'm making potatoes and then I serve you potato salad. You like, fuck this. That's fair actually Oh my God So we agree

Yeah but it's not one to one with potatoes Because potatoes is not like a dish That's true Pasta is a dish But you can't say I'm making potatoes tonight Bake potato? You'd have to specify Right exactly

But that's also a side pasta's a main Also you know what You know what we actually kind of like We tore each other apart But I think that we should reunite over Who rebranded all the mayonnaise is a salad Pasta chicken salad salad, tuna salad. Who is the person who's like, we're going to call this salad?

Do you guys like pasta salad? I love it. Yeah, that's good. I like chicken salad. I like everything. Honestly, I think all food is the best. You like all food. I like Macs. You and Ty. Oh, best of friends. Do we dare wait into macaroni salad? Oh my God. You wear of that? It's going to tear us asunder. That is literally the combination of mac and cheese and pasta salad. Is it macaroni salad? Wait, so is the question, Question is macaroni salad? Pasta. Is it pasta?

Is macaroni salad? If there's cheese in it, is it mac and cheese? If there's cheese in the pasta salad? What is macaroni salad to you? Is that pasta? No. Same thing. I mean, I'm sticking with it.

It's something different. I feel like... I think it just... It is pasta, but it's a different type of pasta dish. Yeah, it's just a different type of pasta. Pasta is a wide net. It's just something... Right. And I've acknowledged that.

Is lasagna pasta? No. It's a specific type of pasta. Right. It's not pasta. Dude, again, my whole point this whole time has not been that it's literally not pasta. It's just how we refer to something and how we should describe something. And the specific words that we use to describe a food or dish matters.

That's my whole point this whole time. It's never been, I literally don't think it's made out of pasta. No, I know, I know. for the eighth time. Is cereal bread salad? It's bread soup. I just had the weirdest laugh of all the time. Bread soup?

Bread salad. I think it is. I think the macaroni salad question. That's going to haunt me. Is it macaroni? Is it pasta? Let's get the fuck out of here. Goodbye, everyone.

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