The Ringer NFL Show - Fantasy Sleepers 2.0

Episode Date: August 28, 2024

The guys revisit and update their list of fantasy sleepers by categorizing them into various tiers, from overlooked guys in the earlier rounds to the deepest of sleepers (1:16). “You guys want to do some emails?” (57:08). Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Dad Nap: Evan Engram (Jaguars TE), Jayden Daniels (Commanders QB), Joshua Palmer (Chargers WR), Christian Watson (Packers WR), and James Cook (Bills RB) (3:12) REM: J.K. Dobbins (Chargers RB), Rico Dowdle (Cowboys RB), Ty Chandler (Vikings RB), Jameson Williams (Lions WR), Khalil Shakir (Bills WR), Jerome Ford (Browns RB), Brian Thomas Jr. (Jaguars WR), Xavier Worthy (Chiefs WR), Jakobi Meyers (Raiders WR), and Taysom Hill (Saints TE/RB/QB) (12:24) Comatose: Jaleel McLaughlin (Broncos RB), Bucky Irving (Buccaneers RB), Kimani Vidal (Chargers RB), Demarcus Robinson (Rams WR), Tyler Conklin (Jets TE), and Colby Parkinson (Rams TE) (48:02) Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In the summer of 1999, thousands attended what would be the final iteration of the Woodstock Music Festivals. But unlike its namesake, Woodstock 99 was not about peace and love. Joining me as I dive deep into this story about music, mud, violence, and tragedy. From Spotify and the Ringar Podcast Network, I'm Stephen Hayden. And this is Breakstuff, the story of Woodstock 99. Available Tuesday, August 27th. Football show, my name is Danny Hightford. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horleck.

And today we are doing Sleepers for the 2024 fantasy football season, baby. Night night, Steph Curry. Steph Curry style. Nui, Nui, newie. What is, is that French? Yeah, that's what he had in the sweatshirt after the one. Because it was in France. I get it.

I get it now. Oh, he's good. Because what are they speaking in Paris? Oh, yeah, okay. Sleepers means a lot of things to a lot of people because on one hand, it's like, Oh, I want like Bucky Irving for the buck. Someone, no one has ever heard of, really. That's a great one, by the way.

But some people are like my fiance's dad who just text me like two hours for his draft. He's like, who should I take? And we're going to just hit the whole gamut right now. So we're going to just go through levels of sleep because, you know, especially as Craig and I get older, we realize there's levels to sleep too, right? There's like, you know, light sleep. There's heavy sleep. We're going to just go through.

We're going to start with very obvious names. So please don't yell at us about they're not sleepery enough. We're going to start with the very obvious names that I will be texting to my fiance's dad. And we're going to go. all the way down to like weirdos and 16, not your weird, but a 16 team league. That's a lot, that's a lot. And we're going to go all the way through those people.

Yeah, we'll get to the, all you sickos in like 18 team, 20 team leagues. We'll get to your guys as well. Sickos. What's the biggest league? Email us if you're in a league that has like 24 people in. I want to know the biggest league. There are leagues of 30, there are 32 team dynasty leagues. I know of that.

What about redraft? I want to know the biggest redraft league. Theoretically, you could probably do 32 and you could have 32 starting quarterbacks. Yeah. I want to know. You're in a 32 team league. Email us, please.

I want to know about it. All right. Emails to ringer fancy football at gmail.com. And of course, if you're drafting this weekend or whenever, you're drafting at some point, our rankings are fancy football. Dottermere.com. And again, the best way to crush your draft is to use different rankings that the ones everyone else is staring at because no rankings are perfect.

We have a draft tracker. You can draft right along there on the, you mark players on your team, on other people's teams and so you can just play right along. We have tiers. You can check tiers during the draft. We also have good old printable PDF rankings. You can just download.

I love printing rankings. Hand and paper. I love to cross guys off like a Sharpie. Yeah. It's fun. Stalin. Nobody can hack me.

I'm off the grid. Did he cross people off with a Sharpie? With crayon. His daughter's crayons. That's different. That's morbid. Okay. Yeah.

Anyway. Well, you know what? Fantasy football is serious business, DK. All right. Let's just get into it then. DK. Age before beauty. Our first layer here is the dad nap.

You know, the latest. of all sleeps. Can you start us off with a little dad nap tears? As the only dad. It's the only so far. I was actually talking to Kai about dad naps earlier today when I was talking about how boring this preseason has been. Like teams don't play their players anymore. The preseason sucks.

I'm off the preseason. I was never on it. I like it because it's like you get to see some of the young players and blah, blah, blah. But like, God, this was the most boring preseason I can ever remember. We have enough football. There's 18 weeks plus playoffs. Go on vacation. Don't watch the fucking preseason.

Well, my point is, Craig, that I fell asleep. watching the preseason the other day, which is a total dad nap because I was like sitting on the couch like to Calvin and with my computer on my lap and I just fell asleep. Anyway, that's this category. And I'm going with Evan Ingraham, the tight end for the Jaguars, who by the way had 114 catches last year and nobody's talking about this guy. I don't get it. Like we're all excited about Trey McBride.

I get that. He's awesome. He's exciting. We're all excited about Kyle Pitts. Well, some people are. You know, Dalton Kincaid, Sam Lipporte, all these young up-and-coming guys, guess what?

114 catches is a lot. And he is going to do, I think he's going to have the exact same role or a very similar type role in the Jaguars offense this year. He just needs to find the end zone a little bit more if he really wants to go to that top, top tier.

But touchdowns are a little volatile. It kind of changes every year. And guess what? We just saw, if you were not falling asleep like me, Evan Ingram scored two touchdowns in the Jags preseason game on like a couple of series. So I don't know,

I'm just very excited about Evan Ingraham going into the season. way that he utilized them is basically like a lot of short and intermediate passes over the middle on like mesh plays where he's just able to outrun a tight end, get some yards after they catch. I don't think that's going away. I don't think that Gabe Dave or even Brian Thomas Jr., who I really like are super high volume or high target volume type of players that are going to like really steal a lot of his volume. And they're very different roles, by the way, too. So I don't know. I'm bullish on Evan Ingram. I don't get why no one, I don't get why he's so

like everyone's so quiet on him right now. I think he's a real steal where he's going to in drafts. If Travis Kelsey had caught the second most catches in a season for a tight end ever last year, it's all we would hear about. Be like first rounder. And instead, Evan Engram caught the second most catches in a season for a tight end and no one's talked about Evan Engram. It's because he was bad for a couple years and it's kind of the super bad people don't forget situation, I think, with him a little bit. But yeah, I mean, most catches last year by any tight end and then they just lost Calvin Ridley. No brainer. Boring, though. Boring. Evan. His name's Evan. His name's that's a, yeah, that's a good one, DK.

That's a great dad nap. A couple other dadnap guys. These are people I've talked about a lot, but I just want to shout out again, Jaden Daniels, Washington quarterback. I'm shouting it for the rooftops. We don't have to elaborate. Basically, he runs fast and he will run a lot.

And I don't even know if Washington will be have a good offense, but Jaden Daniels won the Heisman trophy and you can get him like 90th, 100th in drafts. ESPN, reach for them around. Even Yahoo, like get, get them, like, basically, if you don't get Jalen Hurts or Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson and you want a quarterback, I wouldn't bother with the pocket passers. Don't bother with Joe Burrow or Brock Purdy.

Get Jaden Daniels. The floor is going to be crazy with the rushing. That's my PSA. Talked about it a lot. But you can build an entire draft strategy around getting Jaden Daniels this year, especially if you're in an ESPN draft. Speaking of guys that we've mentioned before,

but I want to make sure I get into this episode, Josh Palmer on the Chargers, look, he's the most experienced wide receiver on this team now, and he's the only one who has caught multiple touchdowns from Justin Herbert. Keenan Allen and Mike Williams were gone. Even with Keenan Allen last year, Josh Palmer was on pace for 1,000 yards.

You can get this guy outside of the top 150 in your drafts. A lot of targets are up for grabs, and Palmer's the only guy you can trust in this team. So I think he's a great pick. The other guy that Craig has convinced me of is that Christian Watson is a real value this year because Christian Watson's a guy that was going in the top 40 last year. And then now everyone agrees that the Packers are like a Super Bowl contender,

and Christian Watson is outside the top 80. I've seen him fall, especially on the sleeper app, he's ranked really low. In the sleeper app, if that's where your draft is, I've seen Christian Watson go 105, to which point, I actually, Craig, you've totally converted me that Christian Watson is actually maybe one of the best values in all fantasy right now. Yeah, it's not even just him going outside of the top 80.

There's no Packers past catchers going inside the top 80 right now. So it's not like he's going up against some juggernaut competition. And even last year when he was healthy playing with the Packers, he was the number one guy in terms of targets, targets share, all that stuff. He was the guy. So I think his health issues, knock on wood, will be a bit luckier this year. And I think he'll be a great value. Equalize them legs, baby.

Yeah. Leg equity. Leg equity. We got to measure our hamstrings. Yeah, we got to do that. At the live show, we met someone who was like, I'm literally, what was she? She was a biomedical engineer. 0.01% of our fan base on Spotify, too, which is sick.

I love that. She said she could weigh our legs. Oh, my God. We should get up. Can you just like bring us in? She's like, well, there's a little more to that. I was like, is it a one-time visit situation or would it take multiple? She was like, probably multiple.

I guess so. Can we expense that? I don't know. Bill, if you're listening to this, let us expense, we're going to weigh our legs. How much do you think that costs? To sit in an MRI a lot. And weigh your legs.

Three of us to sit and we have to, I mean, we have to MRI both legs, which I think would be two separate MRI. I think I did get my legs weighed recently. I'm going to look into this. I'm looking into the documentation. Between this and you saying, I think I had a vitamin water.

And then we were like, really? You're like, I can't remember. Like, what is, like, what do you think you had your, your legs weighed? That seems to be a pretty, you know, distinct memory to have when getting your legs weighed at the doctor. I remember vividly getting an MRI because I got, I did this thing. Like, this is what happens when you get older. I did this thing where I got a body composition measurement thing. So I can like basically use that as the foundation for future years where we're keeping track.

My doctor and I are keeping track of like how fat I get essentially, you know, how much muscle I have. I remember because I told you guys on the pod. Like my left arm was lighter than my right arm. I'm pretty sure I could see about my legs, too. Did he tell us this? I don't have the information in front of me. I don't think I knew this. I don't think you told us this.

No, it's on the pod. It's documented. I said it. All right. Talk about bad memories over here. We'll have to check with our Spotify insurance. He gets out of network getting our legs measured. I had to pay cash.

You know what's so funny? Getting your legs, like my legs weigh different amounts. It's like, oh, that's interesting. Your arms weigh different amounts. It's like, hmm. Yeah. A lot of people were making a lot of people are making jacking. A lot of people are making jackoff jokes about it.

The family guy, the single best joke in family guy is Quagmire walking out. And he's like, what's internet porn? And then he cuts. And then he cuts in his like, his left arms like a bobbylor. Looks like fucking Popeye. Anyway, what were we talking about? Should I go? Should we go? Yeah, Dadnap. Give us another guy.

Dadnapp level. James Cook, running back for the bills. This is maybe more of like a Glansberg type of guy that we just aren't really talking about. Because he's going relatively high in traps. But I just think he is being overlooked. for a lot of other players that could end up finishing below him in fantasy points rankings this year. I think he's just one of those guys that doesn't score a lot of touchdowns

and therefore people are completely out on him. But there are so many avenues for him to make up for the lack of essentially goal line opportunities that he's going to have in this bill's offense because Josh Allen is stealing so many of those. But James Cook rushed for 1100 yards last year. He had 281 touches, which is the 10th most among all running back. So this is a guy they were feeding. and particularly late in the season when Joe Brady,

the new offensive coordinator, took over. He averaged almost 20 touches per game in that stretch. He was the RB 11 from week 11 on. And he's a really explosive, good receiver. He's utilized on downfield vertical routes. And I think the touchdowns, he would have had more touchdowns. He had a couple tough plays where he dropped passes that could have been big plays and potentially scored touchdowns on.

And hopefully, you know, he'll get that cleaned up this year and have more opportunities to do that. But I just think he's a value right now because people are sort of view him as like this small space back. But he gets a ton of volume in this offense. And by the way, this is a good offense that gives him the opportunity with the way that Josh Allen plays. It's going to open up lanes for him just because, you know, Josh Allen is so dangerous with his legs. And so I don't know, I just think James Cook. He's one of those guys. This is like a version of the Ravens where he's just going to average over five yards of carry because this offense is just perfectly suited for his skill set.

I worry that the bills worry that James Cook doesn't have the vision to be setting up blocks inside the tackles, kind of like what people said about Gibbs, which I think is overrated. I mean, but if you look at the Joe Brady clearly trust him. I mean, after Joe Brady took over, he was averaging almost 20 touches a game, which is ninth in the NFL. So I don't know. I think people are just looking past people, people see that he's small and that he doesn't get goal line looks and kind of write him off. But I think he can get there in other ways. I think to your point, though, I think I think Cook is priced as if he won't get the goal line stuff, but to your point, if he does. And again, I think every year we see the bills waiting to have Josh Allen as that goal line back till December and that if James Cook gets more goal line work to your point, wheels up, I don't know.

He gets to the bills. You can't really say jet stuff, but I agree. All right, let's get to REM. This is the good sleep. These are the real sleepers. These are the sleepers for the people. You always need more REM. You always need more of these guys.

DK, you don't get that much REM anymore. What, give us some REM sleepers. J.K. Dobbins, what I think is probably going to be the starting running back for the Chargers, starting running back for a Greg Roman offense. So, D.K., should I bet first carry to go to J.K. Dobbins, week one? Yes. Can you bet that? Probably.

It would be him or Gus Edwards. And Gus Edwards has been injured for most of training camp. So I would assume that J.K. Dobbins gets it. But, you know, I don't know for sure. I would say it's going to be a committee with those two guys. I don't think they're going to put it all on J.K. Dobbins back. But that's just, that's what Greg Roman did in Baltimore. But again, it's like this is an offense that they are committed fully to running the football.

That is like the entire thesis of Jim Harbaugh's offenses. You know, they drafted an offensive lineman. They went and got one of the run heaviest, you know, play designers in the NFL. This is what they want to do. And Jackie Dobbins has experience in this Greg Roman offense. So he fits that perfectly. I don't know. I just feel like people are sort of looking past Dobbins because he's been hurt.

but if he can say healthy this year or at least for part of the year, you could really get a lot of value where you're getting, which is really late in drafts. Like he's going past the 10th round. I really think JK Dobbins is Rahim Moster of this season. And I always, I feel like sometimes you can get really lost trying to be like, what, that happened last year,

will happen this year. And it's never that perfect. I do think there's a really weird scenario where Dobbins is exactly like Rahim Moster this year, where you have a guy that everyone's like, well, he's going to get hurt. So ignore all the incredible other things going which is the charge is going to run the ball.

Jackie Dobbins is talented. Jake Godbins has all the traits coaches like. Like they like the way he runs. He does all the little things right. It's kind of like how Zeke Elliott can get work as long as his knees work because they like the way he sets up blocks. Like he does the way things are designed. People like, oh, get hurt.

Well, it's like Rahimuscher last year. The injuries are priced in. That's why he's a 14th round pick on Yahoo. It's like he's going. People, five teams are going to have a defense before Jackie Dobbins goes in a Yahoo draft. So it's like the injuries are priced in. The question is, well, what if he stays healthy?

and if he stays healthy. Think about the payoff. Yeah. Yeah, it's like most of last year. You could be a top 10 running back. Like that's not even crazy to think at all. So I really think Dobbins. And again, if he gets hurt, all, cool, you cut him.

You cut him. And like, you add someone anyway. You're going to cut your 14th pick if they don't perform anyway. I think if he gets hurt in any way, that's probably simpler because then you don't have to worry about it. I think Dobbins is pound for pound. If I had to pick someone where you're like,

where you got him to what he's doing through it six weeks, I think he's probably the best R.O.I. You're going to have the draft. Very low wrist. high reward. I did an auction draft this weekend. I believe he went for either one or two dollars. I was like one of the last guys that, you know, it's like such a great value

and you don't lose anything. If he does get hurt, so be it. Like, who cares? A team that likes to run so much, they literally got rid of Keenan Allen and Mike Williams. And then just, you know what I mean? But also crucially, they have a good quarterback who will give them opportunities to continue drives and get into the red

zone. Like, to be, you want to be a run heavy team that has a good quarterback because then you're going to have actually opportunities to score the I mentioned Zeke. While we're on Dallas, Craig, you said something to me the other day about Rico Dattle, the running back for the Cowboys. Yeah, look, maybe this is a little bit more half-baked. I don't know if I'm like with, with, I'm like full-throating this, uh, recommendation.

Jesus. But, um, he didn't say deep-throating. He said full-throating. That's a phrase. That's a term. Um, I, okay. I feel like you're right. I feel like, it is a term.

It is a term. Like, oh, you say it full-throated. Yeah. Something about making it full-throated. frotting. Like the present made it. Is it a verb? Yeah.

Anyway, Cowboys are you saying. I don't know. I mean, the way I look at it is I'm like, Dallas is probably going to be a top 10 offense this year, right? As they are almost every year. They didn't draft a running back as much as they maybe wanted to draft Jonathan Brooks. They didn't get them. They brought back Zeke, who has the most carries in the NFL.

And they have this guy, Rico Dattle, who's been on the team for four years now. he was an undrafted guy out of South Carolina in 2020. Reported out of camp or he looks good. And they actually re-signed him. And the other reports out of camp is that Zieg looks kind of cooked. And so even if Rico Dowdoll... I reported that.

I talked to him. And he was like, why aren't you... I literally asked him, why aren't you playing in practice? He said, man, I'm kind of old. Dude, there was... He said that. Legs don't work. High Fitz doesn't like when people cite, like, the sideline videos where it's just

like a guy warming up or whatever and looking fast. Like there was actually, the other side of the coin is like there was a video of Craig of of, of Zeke going through, you know like where you run through like the little thing with all the, uh, blocking. I don't even know what they're called. It's not a blocking sled, but it's like you run through the gauntlet thing that has all the. Oh, yeah. What is that called actually? I can't remember off that way. You're talking about the things that look like you're running through like, uh, like pool noodles.

Yes. Yeah. Should probably figure out the name of that thing. Yeah. But anyways, he was running through one of those. The car salesman thing, the inflatable, or inflatable. It's like you're almost in a car wash. He ran through that.

100%. Okay, so he was running through one of those on the sideline. He was just like warming up. And he like got hurt. He was like, ow. And I'm like, oh, that is negative aura, as the kids would say. So look, I'm not saying like Rico Dowdell is the second coming, but this guy could be the one B running back on a Dallas offense.

I don't think Duis Fawn is going to get the majority of the work. And so I'm just like, I don't know. This guy's going 140th, 150th in drafts. I'm kind of just going to like quietly place a dollar on Rico Dattle, I think, in a lot of drafts this year. I know a guy who covers the Cowboys Jeff Kavana. And he is like hardcore on the train that Rico Doudal is their best running back, like, by far. The problem is the Cowboys are weird and they like have this loyalty to Zique.

And so Zik is probably going to get a good amount of carries. But I do think that that Dowdell is the most talented. He has the most juice among those guys. He's a guy actually kind of liked coming out of college. He's very injured in college. So he's like really explosive and elusive, but he had injury problems in college. He's kind of had that in pros. And of course, he's been stuck behind some really good backs in Dallas.

And so I don't know, I think he's definitely worth the last round flyer just to see how it all shakes out. He's a good player. So you guys think Rico Dowdell might be better than Zeke, even though Jerry Jones said this very week, I know what I'm doing. Nobody can do this job better than me. Yeah. Nobody else can do this fucking job. Jerry wants Zeke. Are you doubting?

Maybe Jerry should play running back then. If it's, can we get your dad to talk to Jerry? maybe we can start consulting for the Cowboys, you know? Maybe he'll listen to us finally. Yeah, the live show, if you listen to it, I told the guys, I admitted, my dad listens to our draft show. He's like, you guys know so much. You should call the teams and help them.

They need help. They would listen to you. We're open for business. There might be like no one they would rather listen to less. I actually think we'd be last. I think if they rank seven billion people, we'd be at the end. They'd listen to literally anyone but us. but my dad's yeah he's he's a fan i agree though correct i think rico daddell's a really good pick

again zeke when a guy's admitting to you in august he's like yeah i don't feel great he's the most carries in the league and there's nobody else and he's going to be on the top ten offense anytime you can get the one b or potential backup or whatever i think it's totally worth it's an excellent call dk give us another rem sleeper here i really like ty chanler for the vikings basically i think people are overlooking him a lot because the vikings obviously went out and signed Aaron Jones, and Aaron Jones is a big name. But if you listen to everything that Kevin O'Connell, the Vikings head coaches said this offseason, it's like going to be a committee approach.

And I think Chandler has the talent, the explosiveness, he's good in the passing game to really make his mark when he is in a rotation. He could be, and we've talked about this before. I think, I want to say Ian Hart has maybe coined this. It's flex with benefits. A guy you could put in your flex potentially. But if Aaron Jones gets hurt, the sky is the. the limit with this guy potentially in terms of volume and opportunity.

And so he's one of those guys who you can still be useful, even if Aaron Jones is in there playing and they're rotating snaps. But again, if Jones goes down, he has that contingent value to be like a really high-end volume guy, like potentially even like an RB2 and fantasy. And so Ty Chandler is a guy that I, you know, especially where he's going late in the draft. I'm just like, he has a ton of value.

And I think he's a good player. He's explosive. He's looked good in his opportunities for the Vikings. And so it all kind of adds up. I love this. I think you're totally right, DK. Tachianler's not sexy. None of the Vikings' backs have like emerged.

Like there's him. There's Nguu who's really just a better kick return than anything. And I totally agree. Aaron Jones thing kind of sapped all the juice out of it. But I think this is a great one. This is he's just a way less sexy version. He's honestly similar to Rico Dattle where you're like, is this guy just going to start?

He's not quite the same because obviously Rico might be just be better than Zique. But Aaron Jones always miss his time. I think this is a really good call. Wasn't Aaron Jones one of the guys? guys, last year he had hamstring problems like the whole season. Bernie Jones is 30. Did they get his legs measured?

I can't remember. Yeah, we should, no, that was, we should measure. But to your point, Kevin O'Connell literally said Aaron Jones has been his best when there's another guy. Like, he's got to play. Like, he said out loud that he's going to have a role. Shake and bake, slingshot. Shake and bake, baby.

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Hey, I still get carded. The day I stopped getting carded is the day I end it. Oh, no, that's it. I went to watch at a bar. Shout at Franklin Hall in D.C. I went to watch the, what was it? Oh, it was the USA Women's Olympic gold medal soccer game.

And I walk into the bar and I look at the bouncer. He's meeting up with a bunch of friends and I take out my ID and I handed to him And he looks at me He's like, you're good bro And I was like, I literally I literally said it

I literally said to the bar The bouncer I was like Dude what the fuck And he's like sorry man Dude I went to a bar in Manhattan Beach with friends Shellback Tavern I don't know if you said

Yeah yeah I forgot my wallet So all my other friends We're waiting to get in Guy checked all of our IDs except mine And goes hey man I need your ID And I was like look

Everyone's ID that you've just checked is 30. I am 30 or 29 at the time. I was like, you got to trust me here. And he's like, I don't know, man. I don't know if I can do that. I was like, this woman is my wife. She's 30. I'm not 20. That would be weird. Like, that's my wife. And he's like,

that's your wife. And my friends were like, yes, they're married. He didn't believe you. Yeah, he was like, well, how am I supposed to believe that? So we like, we like, kissed. And he's like, okay, fine. Kissed. Yeah. That's hilarious. I love that just kissing was enough. Like, this is my wife. Yeah, he's like, all right, all right.

That's so funny. All right. Let's get to some other sleepers here. And again, these are REM sleepers. If you really, really want the deep sleepers, we'll get you some coma sleepers later. But I want to get,

you know when you get up in the middle of the night and you can't really sleep, but then you actually fall asleep? And it's like actually an incredible sleep. Like you're a little nervous that you're not going to fall asleep. But then you do and you actually wake up. You're like, wow. That actually really rested me.

Sure. That's Jameson Williams. That's the lion's receiver. Jameson Williams. He's a post-type sleeper. Bizarre career. like lions traded up for him and they

coming off a torn ACL in college did nothing as a rookie came in last year year two he had the gambling suspensions he missed a bunch of time preseason he was able to practice with them despite the suspension in August all Dan Campbell the Lions coach talked about was Jameson William can't catch Jameson Williams can't do anything

I love this guy I wish you would do so like not a Dennis Allen mean way but in a I'm just being honest with you I love this kid can't catch like terrible hands that just said brutally honest positive feedback And then James Williams, he had two touchdowns in the NFC championship game. They basically gave him the Josh Reynolds role as the outside receiver. Like they're banking on him.

And this is a guy that, again, there's no hype. I mean, there is hype, but like it's not being priced in. Like, this is a guy who's a first run. Right. He's fastest the day long. What a weird fucking phrase. You're so, you are getting rid. He can run.

He can run like the wind blows. Yeah, I should, I should just say it to a balance. He's got some giddy up. Yeah. God. This is using slang from like the 1920s to get into bars. Ben Solok doesn't even work here anymore. I'm talking like,

I'm like, I'm filling in the fastest this day is long. But the fill sticks. Fiddle sticks. Golly. Anyway, Jameson Williams, you can get him with like the 11th round. And I'm like,

he's a starting receiver was a first round pick that this is his first normal season. And the lions are instead like actually just leaning into it. Again, this is a guy that probably should be going like 40 spots earlier. But just for whatever's sake, he just really didn't deliver anything till the playoffs, which weirdly is lowering his profile.

And he's just like a perfect dart throw of like a high. He's like a Nico Collins-esque. Like just throw a dart and maybe you have this crazy value on Detroit. And worst case, you know, you're not spending that much, but the upside's crazy. He got really unlucky because the fourth round, Amon Ross St. Brown and the two second round tied in and running backs that they drafted all ended up being awesome. Like just everyone in the team is awesome. And then he was out because he was hurt and then he was suspended.

And now he just kind of showed back up and was like, wait a minute. I'm the first round pick, right? I'm awesome. Yeah, and it's like, no, actually, Amon Ross St. Brown's making $30 million next to you. I don't know why, but like something bothers me about Jameson Williams. I don't like him as a fantasy player. There's just like something about him where there's just like a constant disappointment.

I don't know if it's an expectations thing or the fact that everyone's always been talking about how great he is. You're right, Hyvitz. This is the exact reason probably why people should take him is because I think everyone's kind of off him. But there's something about him that bothers me. I can't put my finger on it. He's like Kirkland brand Kyle Pitts. No one's ever been happy. He's been on their team.

Yeah. But to that point, I just, it's one of those things. Here's the thing, Craig. I agree with you. I actually have never loved the James Williams experience. And I get a little bit of the ick. But that's kind of my point. Like on ESPN, ESPN, if you go to your little lobby with the rankings,

and again, there's a reason you could draft against the rankings. He's 130th. You know what I mean? I do think a lot of fantasy is swallowing your biases and taking the guy you know is the smart pick. Like he's behind Adam Thieling, Jerry, Judy and Gabe Davis, if I told you one of those guys was going to end up as a top 15 receiver this year, which would it be? It's like Jameson. You gotta go for you.

Yeah. 130th on ESPN. Like that first run pick having a first normal season fast that I'm like, look. Fast. He's 130th. He's fast. Speedy. No, I think this is smart. And again, it's not expensive, but you're, you're buying into like what his upside could be in this office. He's a dollar. He was a top, I think he was the 12th pick. They tried up to number 12 or something like that. Um, This was a guy who people absolutely loved coming out of Alabama. Absolute gamer. And, you know, obviously he had like a really rough start to his career. There's almost like a little bit of like the Brandon Ayuk vibes.

I know Brandon Newk was more successful early in his career. But do you remember when he was in Kyle Shanahan's doghouse for a while? And they were just like trying to get him to like buy into the program, start blocking downfield or whatever it was. I feel like Jameson Williams has really bought in. And he's doing the things that they want him to do. I'm sure he has a ton of block. blocking responsibilities in this offense.

I'm sure there's little things that he wasn't doing that, you know, I remember there's coaches talking about him. I think it was last year, like not running the right routes and things like that. And so it seems like he's completely changed his, you know, mentality. And so I'm very excited to pair that new mentality with his very obvious talent. You know what I mean? And so I think it's definitely worth just, you know, late round pick. Why not?

See what happens? He has a ton of upside. Yeah. I love James Williams. Again, it's at cost. Don't take him 70th, please. But 130th, that's crazy to make. Him and Dobbins, maybe, 13th, 14th rounds.

All right, Craig, give us another REM sleeper. Lately, I really like Khalil Shakur, the receiver on the bills. It's pretty simple. It's honestly like the same reason why I like Christian Watson on the Packers. This is going to be a good team. You have one of the best quarterbacks in the league, and it's a very ambiguous receiving group. You have a rookie and Keon Coleman, who I think a lot of people have mixed feelings about.

You have Curtis Samuel, who is 28 years old, kind of a journeyman. He's got Turf Toe. you have Marquez Valdez Scantling who has a neck injury and then you have two solid tight ends and then you're looking at Khalil Shakur who look the bills have 240 open targets now that Stefan Diggs and Gabe Davis are gone and you know right now on the bills Khalil Shakur is the only wide receiver on the team who has caught a pass from Josh Allen wow it's the only one in the entire team and last year he led all wide receivers in the NFL and passer rating when targeted 133.6 was the target was the

passer rating when people targeted Khalil Shakur. He caught 85% of his passes. This dude was incredibly efficient. From week seven on last year, he had more receiving yards than Stefan Diggs on 54 less targets. This guy was awesome at Boise State in college. And I don't know, the more I think about this, I'm just like,

what am I missing here? This is the only guy with chemistry with one of the best quarterbacks in the league. And you can get him. He's going as the wide receiver 51 right now in drafts. Shakur to me is one of the one of those players where if it's like your dad we should tell we should be talking to GMs more they should be taking our advice because I feel like every time Kalos Shakur touches the football or gets a target he does something cool

and I'm like what am I missing here what why don't they play this guy more you were right DK 85% of his target he's caught you're like just throw him the ball more give him the rock but yeah he's he's a guy like coming out of Boise State he's got a little bit of that golden tape to him where he's really elusive after the, after the catch. He can, you know, break a lot of tackles. He kind of has a gyroscopic balance and does some crazy things, you know, after the catch. But, you know, I think the big question is, like, how big of a role is he going to have in this

offense? I think the biggest thing that happened this preseason with the bills is that Curtis Samuel has turfed out. And that could potentially put him, you know, way down the line in terms of, like, his opportunities in this offense. I think this could be a huge boost for Khalil Shakur, who I think, is very good. And yeah, I almost put Kalil Shaker to Craig. I think, you know, there's still a lot of question marks about how much he's going to play and how involved he'll be in the offense. But

we got to take chances on some of these guys because there's just so many, so many opportunities up for grabs in this Bill's offense. I think he, you know, again, like he has experience and he's a good player. And to the point, Keon Coleman is, obviously, he's the receiver of the bills drafted very, very, very high in the second round. And obviously just the absolute darling of everyone's for the thousand everything he does and says is just absolutely adorable and i'm of two minds on one hand i still completely refuse to believe anyone that pure is going to be an alpha and if a receiver i feel like every receiver i've ever encountered who's been great has been extremely jaded in some kind of way and keon kohman's too pure it's for this world also i just think his game's too raw so

it's like keon kohm's a guy going in the top 100 and i'm like shakir is i just i totally agree with this one. And again, it's the same philosophy of just all these guys are true sleepers. These are just dollar players that no one's even going to bid on if it's like it's, again, kickers are going to go before these guys. They're perfect like week one, week two. You're like, oh my God, is Khalil Shakir, like that number one guy. And if it gets no catches, you can cut them for someone else. But I love this one, Craig. I think it's excellent. I got him for a dollar in an auction league this weekend. Yeah. It's just perfect bet. It's just a perfect bet. All right. Next up here, I have Jerome Ford, the running back for

the Cleveland Browns. It's not rocket science. Nick Chubb starting the year and physically unable to perform list. I feel like this is a mix of the Nick Chubb situation being mispropically priced. And I feel like Jerome Ford, even we're probably a little low in Jerome Ford. He's going to be starting running back for the Browns beginning of the season. And it's like you ideally do want guys that are going to get better as the season goes on. So I think that, you know, obviously if Nick Chub comes back later in the year, but I think there's two things being miscalculated.

One, there's no world where Nick Chub comes back and it just dominates the backfield. I feel like Nick Chub, I mean, maybe there is a world. But like, I just feel like coming off this injury, it's like the Tony Pollard thing last year. The idea that Nick Chubb will come back and be amazing just because his name is Nick Chub, realistically, there's going to have to be some kind of cap on his touches. And I'm like, Jerome Ford, number one, I think is going to have a role the entire season, as long as he's healthy. And then number two, he's just going to be better.

Like Kevin Stefansky literally had a quote about how, I know we always joke about it, but he said running backs don't come into the league as good pass protectors. It never happens. And he said they threw Jerome Ford onto the field last year on third downs. And he basically was like, he wasn't perfect. He did the job. He was good enough. but he kept talking about how he thinks Jerome Ford's going to get way better on third downs,

like way better because he knows what he's doing this year. And it's really, it was actually a really good explanation about how if you're, not only do you have to know everything about how to protect the quarterback and like, based on who's blitzing and who's going to protect it, but based on what doesn't happen, how quickly you can go out for a route. Because if no one,

you don't have to block anyone, you can get out. And the Jerich McKinnons of the world were 30 and old, but no at lightning speed. Oh, I don't need to block anyone, get out. That's what you pick up. Rookie year is, I know what to do kind of. And by year two,

year three, year four, you're kind of like, oh, I can go out. And that's the difference between getting a ball on third and four or not.

And so I just think Jerome Ford is like a super hiding and plain sight player because we've seen him. But like, I just think all the IQ improvements with the playing time built in. He's just weirdly underrated. Yeah.

That's a great call. I admit, I got a little out over my skis on Nick Chub. Like, I got really excited about him benching 500 pounds. But let's be realistic. Squatting, squatting. Sorry, not benching.

Benching would be also very... Yeah, that would be even better, actually. It's like, Jesus, is this Captain America? But yeah, I think this is a great call. Again, this is an offense that wants to run the football. Or at least they have been. I don't know, they might get a little more pass heavy this season. But he's an explosive player.

That's the other thing is he's got a little bit of like that Tony Pollardness to him where he can make, you know, his touches count because he's so explosive. So this is a great. great one. I like that. And I'm kind of backing off my Nick Chub hype officially. Just slowly, like, reverting back into the bush. Back. It's a home reception. Yeah. Forget I said anything. The other REM sleepers

I want to shut out, I just have rookie fever. I got it. I got it late. It was kind of like a COVID wave. It was going all over. I avoided it. And then, you know, I just, I got caught the rookie fever. Brian Thomas for the Jaguars, Xavier Worthy for the Chiefs. It's tough because I feel like it's all about value. Like, I don't want to be reaching for Xavier worthy. But I look at Brian Thomas and the Jags. I just keep thinking about how Gabe Davis is Gabe Davis and I'm just not a fan. And then you have Christian Kurt and they just do different things.

But I just believe Brian Thomas is, I don't want to say a complete player, but I just think he's going to be really freaking good. And again, his name's Brian Thomas. And like actually such a big part of this. He led the nation in touchdowns last year. One in every four catches in college was a touchdown. If Brian Thomas was named, I'm going to make something up randomly. Marvin Harrison Jr.

And he was the like by how much the speed, score of how fast as 40-yard dash was compared to how much he weighs, like, the literal 99th percentile. Literally, just, D.K. Metcalf's the 100th percentile. Brian Thomas is just second place. But if his name was Martavis, Thomas? If his name was

Xavier Worthy. You know, would we even give the fuck if a guy named Brian Thomas broke the 40-yard dash record? Right. Thomas. All the Brian Thomas is out there, like, what the fuck? And there's a lot of them, you know, you know, the, I think you should leave me. He's like, what the fuck?

Dude, also the 50s, it's so nice that the 50 cent memes going back around again. It's like, what do you say fuck me for? Because Mahomes tweeted that. Yeah, I totally agree with you. We talked about both these guys on Bill's pod on Sunday. Fastest guy in the league on the Chiefs. What else do you kind of need to hear it with that? You know what I mean?

And then best deep threat in the draft now on the Jags after they just lost their best deep threat in Calvin Riddle. And again, can I reiterate? I watched Ian Hartitz, another great follow on Twitter, by the way. He put together a quote unquote, high. light reel of all the times that Trevor Lawrence almost set a touchdown. And it was like six minutes long. It was like it was just crazy. Play after play after play after play of like Calvin Ridley catching an incredible

pass in the back of the end zone, but he had one foot out of bounds. It was like that for like six minutes. A football field is 53 yards wide. And if a football field was 54 yards wide, one, George Pickens would already be like Caldney Johnson. Yeah, he'd be a hall of favor. And then two, the Jaguars would have gone undefeated last year. for 50 4 yards.

Lawrence would have thrown like 50 touchdowns. It's Brian, yeah. So I love Brian Thomas and he's going way later. Again, another guy you can get way outside the top 100. You know, again, he's not that famous of a person. Like people think about Malik Davis. And again, Xavier worthy. So we'll see.

The chief sign, you juice Schuster. Yeah. Which, again, we've been very heart. And again, we love Rishi Rice. We think Rish Rice is one of the absolute best values because there's fear of a suspension. If Rish Rice gets suspended, well, we were wrong. I don't think he's going to get suspended. My interpretation of the Juji Smith-Schuster signing is that Marquis

Brown's clavicular shoulder joint injury means that I think that they don't know when he's going to come back necessarily or the timeline might be longer than they thought. And so I think that's why Juju. And again, if Juju's just walked, Ju-Ju got cut from the Patriots, dude. Like, like, he's just there. He just knows the playbook. Oh, God, when you put it that way. If you're the chiefs, you have injured Marquis Brown.

So you really have Rishi Rice, Worthy, and Kelsey. And I think Worthy is being dismissed in some ways because, well, the Chiefs have done the fast thing guy before, fast guy thing before with Mekyll Hardman and MvS. I think he's just a better player. Oh, he's so much more skilled. Yeah. Worthy was instantly productive in college.

Miko Hardman was never productive in college. Like they basically drafted a guy because he was super fast. I hope to develop him to a receiver. Worthy is leaps and bounds ahead of where Miko Harman was. The more I think about it, the more I'm like, the only reason Worthy didn't have more crazy plays in college is I don't think any of the

quarterbacks of Texas were getting in the ball great when the deep passes. And also he had a broken hand for a large portion they played through like the Amari Cooper syndrome played through injury and people like, why aren't you better? And it's like, who's playing hurt? The way that I look at it too is like worst case scenario is they can use worthy just like they used Rishie Rice

last year. I mean, essentially at Texas last season, they used worthy a lot in these screen passes like passes behind the line of scrimers, let him go do his thing. He's just so fast and so elusive that he can make things happen, obviously after the catch. But also he has the untapped upside of being a deep threat as well. And so, I mean, like, that's absolute worst case scenario if he doesn't learn the routes

or whatever. They can still use him like Rice. And Rice was a top 10 receiver down the stretch. And I said this on Bill's show. Andy Reid is the chief of stealing stuff. And I think they're going to steal a lot of the dolphins motions for Tyree Kill. And you're going to actually see art imitating life, imitating art again, where it's like the dolphins take Tyree Kill, use them.

And the chiefs are like, we should have done that. And they use worthy that way too. All right, correct. Give us another REM sleeper. I want to throw out Jacoby Myers. the wide receiver on the Raiders. Do you guys remember the first half of last season when Jacoby Myers was like taking the NFL by storm?

Better than Devante straight up. He legit was. Yeah. First six weeks of the season, he was playing better than Devante Adams. He was the wide receiver 13. He was awesome. And Myers and Adams as a duo

were the highest targeted duo in the league last year. After the whole season, 53% of targets went to those two guys. Just a funnel. Yeah. Funnel to the, like if you want to talk about pass to the Italians, we talk about Waddle and Tyreek and Puka and Cooper Cup. It was Myers.

and Devante Adams. And apparently, the reports at a camp have been glowing for Jacoby Myers. And Tony O'Pierce is praising him. Everybody thinks he's been awesome and is ready to take like another step. And he's been in the league a while. He's 28 years old.

He was on the patch for a while. I think he's maybe a better player than we give him credit for. Yeah. He was one of those guys who like didn't have a touchdown until year three of his career, even though he was playing a lot. Because he's just been saddled

with such shitty quarterbacks. He's basically only, he played with Tom Brady when he was a rookie where he didn't play that much. And then after that, he said, Cam Newton, Mac Jones, and Jimmy G. And that's it.

And, like, I know now he's going to have Gardner Minchu and that's not exactly great. But Gardner Minchu last year on the Colts kept a lot of guys alive. Michael Pittman, you know, Alec Pierce and Josh Downs, all had successful seasons with Gardner Minshue. And, like, look, as a super late flyer,

Jacobi Myers, I think, is a really talented guy. Devonte Adams, not loving the Vegas experience. Potentially, you never know, could be traded. I know they have Brock Bowers, but just in terms of a quality wide receiver on a team that I think will get a decent amount of targets. He's going really late in drafts right now. There's nobody

else. If they were to ever trade Devonti Adams, I just think Jacoby Myers is kind of good. To that point, give me your guess on what he is averaged per year in targets the last three seasons. Jacobi Myers? Yeah. It's 109.

Yeah. 109 targets a year. And we've not once talked about. him at like literally this whole time the last three months. I don't think we've mentioned Jacoby Myers. And he's good, he's better every year. He has scored more fantasy points every year of his career. That's kind of wild. He had 126

targets in 2021, 96 and 22, 106 last year. And we just like don't think about him. I think he's a good player. I feel like we've actually really genuinely been in all of our picks until now. I will say, I'm not as in on Jacob Myers as you guys.

He's the wide receiver 54. That's all I'm saying. I think the thing that gives me pause is that I think that he was averaging almost 10 targets a game with Jimmy G. And again, Josh McDaniels is the coach who was kind of Patriots Vegas. So when Jimmy G who knew Myers was the quarterback and they had a connection, 10 targets a game, Jimmy G got benched and went down to five. And so my fear is Gardner Minsh who comes in and his bread is not going to get buttered and keep the starting quarterback job by making Myers happy. I think you keep the starting quarterback job by making Devante Adams happy. that's my only concern.

Having said that, I agree with you that he's way better and perpetually underrated. He's in like the Tyler Boyd Hall of Fame of no one talks about, like, you know what I mean?

He's better for Tyler Boyd. Yeah, yeah. But like, I agree that he's good. My concern is that stretch was like a very specific Jimmy G. World.

Very fair, but look, his new coach now is praising him and Tonya Pierce loves him. We don't exactly know how Minchew's going to perform. And again, Devante Adams,

I think there's a chance he's not on the Raiders at the end of the season. I think Devante Adams would love that. I mean, he might be on the bills in week 11 I want to give devont d'adams

true serum about derrick car he went to play with derrick car and then derrick car was awful and he was like oh this sucks like what did you like that's just like he's like the man stabbed what are you gonna do stab me it's like what was he expected it's a dead dove I don't know what I expected dead dove do not eat yeah

Derek car do not join team of I don't know man it's weird all right any the last REM sleeper I want to give before we get to some momentous. I just, D.K's been on it and it's true. Taysam Hill. It's really simple.

Taseom Hill. We're probably eye rolling. I'm, I disavow this. This is another, the opinion. Here's the thing about Tase of Hill. Here's them at Taseom Hill. Not only is he not, is not like a late round pick. I would say Taysam Hill is so underrated this year. I think you could do your draft.

Throw someone in IR spot. Like you drafted Jonathan Brooks or Hollywood Brown. Anyone you could put in an IR spot. You could then go and add Taseom Hill. Like, I don't think anyone's going to take him. But I think he is the epitome of you want him on your roster just in case his week one is insane. Because I think there's a chance. And again, late round pick, there's a chance that Tason Hill is straight up even more of a goal line quarterback, 1940s offense player than he's been in the past. Because now it's like a mix of what he was doing with he said he's doing new stuff.

They have a Clint Kubiak of 49ers. Shanahan World. Kubiak is like a, his dad's like a longtime coach. And just in case they actually are building an entire new, like, short yardage offense that he, like, is going to do everything in. You might just get, like, a goal line running back at tight end and who also plays quarterback sometimes. And if that happens in week one, you don't want to have to bid on him on waivers. Like, if it doesn't happen, it isn't play, cut him. But, like, I just, that's all I'm saying is like, don't have, if Tassam Hill is this incredible, even more Swiss Army knife,

let it be on your bench or trade him. You know what I mean? If you have to bid $15 on Taysam Hill on waivers after week one, Craig will disavow you. I will disavow you. So Taysa Mill is 34 years old somehow. Do you think the second he leaves New Orleans, he will join Denver, guaranteed? Yes.

Oh, yeah. I'm surprised he's not already on Denver. I know. Well, because he's essential to whatever money laundering operation that New Orleans Saints are coming up. He's his weird ass contract. Some contract. Yeah, they just are crime syndicate.

There's laundering money. But anyway, yeah, Tassim Hill. Pick him up on waivers. You don't even have to. take them. God. I'm just, yeah, every year, we're back on Tase of Hill. But honestly, the way that utilized him in the preseason, I'm like, he's going to be a thing. Like, they're going to use him. Last year, the problem was they didn't play him enough snaps consistently. Like, it was one week they play him like the whole game. The next week it'd be like,

he'd never know when to start him. He might be the, the, have the weirdest career of any NFL player of the 21st century. I think there's a really, really strong argument. Remember when he was the starting quarterback for the team? Well, yeah, he was a starting. Also, you know what's crazy? For like a long time, kind of. I wrote an article about it. What Craig said would be true anyway. And then on top of you, thrown that he was like the trailblazer of

the six year college career. He was like Michael Penix before Michael he was pre-transfer portal. Like, I'm going to play till I'm 20. He came to the NFL at 25 or whatever. So yeah. They kept giving him giant contracts despite zero competition for his services. He's the most

ahead of his time and behind his time. He was born in the wrong era. Like in every possible way. He needs to play the single wing or whatever. Yeah. All right. Let's go through some comatose sleepers, which are if you're in a way deeper league or, you know, maybe these are guys to watch out for on waivers if you're in a 10 or 12th league for

week one. But just keep an eye on these guys. Just keep an eye on these guys. D.K., roll us through a little lightning or thunder round. All right. Of some comatose sleepers. I'm into Jaliel McLaughlin. I've never said his last name the same twice, I don't think.

Jaliel McLaughlin or McLaughlin? I don't know. Running back for the Broncos. Yeah, running back for the Broncos who last year he didn't play enough snaps to be really fantasy relevant, but he always flashed. He always looked pretty good as a pass catcher.

And I think there's going to be a ton of opportunity, a ton of opportunity for the running backs to catch passes in this offense this year. Last year, Sean Payton's Broncos led the NFL in running back receiving yards, 851 yards among their running backs. 29% target rate to running back was also first. Bo Nix is now the starting quarterback.

for the Broncos. And I think he's going to utilize his running backs a ton in the passing game. And McLaughlin is their best. Go back and forth. I don't know. What sounds better? McLaughlin? McLaughlin.

There's an act. Who's the actor from Twin Peaks? Kyle McLaughlin? Yeah. Kyle McLaughlin, right? I think it's McClofflin. That has an extra L. I think it's McLaughlin.

Kyle McLaughlin? You added a second C, I think. I did. Kyle McI can't say it What's his name? Anyway Kyle McLaughlin That's his name

Yeah there you go I don't know Who is who is that The guy from Twin Peaks You don't know Kyle McClockland Dude people My biggest blind spot at the ringer Is you guys all know actors names and shit

Whatever You would recognize him if you saw his face He's a that guy right Craig Yeah they're all that guys I know 20 actors names Okay it does money All right Isn't there Sarah McLaughlin?

That's the... That's the F sound. McLaughlin, right? She's the dog commercial that you have to like either mute or you watch really quickly and you're just like that name is spelled the same way Kyle McLaughlin.

It's the same spelling. Didn't we get emails about her because we were like, what's like the worst karaoke song you could do to kill... It's the best one you could do to kill the vibe and someone was like, Sarah McLaughlin?

Oh, you know what? There is a difference in their names. One is Mac, M-A-C, one is just MC. But the rest of it is spelled the same. So it's essentially no different pronunciation-wise at the end. I don't know. And I also want to add real quick. Last year, McLaughlin was third and half pvr points for snap behind only Achan and

Keaton Mitchell among running backs with a hundred snaps. He was very productive and he got opportunities based on the way he was utilized in the preseason. It's looking like he has the chance to have a pretty big role. So I'm really excited about him. Other running backs just for comatose level. Bucky Irving for the Bucks, which again, nomative determinism. I feel like they don't like the disres. Rishad White's not the most decisive runner.

I think Rashad White will keep the passing stuff, but I do think there's a world where Buck Yirving gets the goal line work. And also, if anything happens to Rashad White, I think Bucking Irving will start for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And Kamani Vidal, if everything we said about J.K. Dobbins, and you're like, well, he's going to get hurt, then I think Kamani Vidal might be,

if there is a Kairn Williams of this year, might be Kamani Vidal, just because unheralded and we'll see. Speaking of players whose last name, we don't know how to pronounce. It's Vidal. No, it's Vidal. Vidal? It's spelled Vyron. Vidal.

It is Vidal. Vidal. Vidal. I know because I had to look it up. Vidal Sassoon. I was between three pronunciations, all of which turned out to be wrong. Vidal? It's Kamani Vidal.

Yes. It's A. Chan. We can't predict anything. He changed it like three times. I still can't believe that Jalen Waddle is, it's Waddell. We, I refuse. Yeah. I disagree about that as well.

They predense, again, once you start doing the Waddle thing, then it's over. Another comatose guy I want to throw out is, is DeMarcus Robinson, wide receiver on the Rams. There's a name I haven't heard in a while. DeMarcus Robinson's the guy when you play that game, that viral video of the Bills, or they're just naming NBA players. It's like 10 years from now when you do the like,

let's name random NFL players, Demarcus Robinson. Mokey Playlock. Yeah. He's been on, you know what's a sign that DeMarcus Robinson is a good player? He's been on the Ravens, the Chiefs, and the Rams. The guys on good teams.

You know what I mean? He's 29 years old. They have good taste. He's going to be the number three on this team. The Rams ran the most 11 personnel in the league. last year, which means three wide receivers are on the field. DeMarcus Robinson is going to be that number three. And last year, when Puka and Cooper Cup and DeMarcus Robinson were all playing together,

DeMarcus Robinson was getting a lot of work downfield, more so than Cooper Cup. He actually had a way higher target share of down the field targets than Cooper Cup. So look, also not the healthiest duo right now, Pooka, Nakua, and Cooper Cup. So I think DeMarcus Robinson, even if the whole team is healthy and you're in a deep, deep league, I'm talking 16, 18, 20 team league. I think he's a decent bet. And if anybody were to get hurt, I think he's a pretty solid bet here.

I like that one. He helped me, I'm in a league that starts five receivers, and he helped me win a championship in that league last year. Yeah. I will always be, indebted to him.

Yeah, always be indebted to him. Can I throw out one more? I want to throw out a tight end. Tyler Conklin, Jets. No one's talking about this guy. Nobody gives a shit about Tyler Conklin, and it's annoying. This guy was,

this guy is not bad. Craig's offended four. Tyler Conklin. I am. He was second on the Jets and receiving yards last year. He had zero touchdowns, which I think is why nobody thinks about him. But look, this guy

actually has been very consistent over the last three years. He joins Travis Kelsey, George Kittle, and Dalton Schultz as the only tight ends to see 85 targets or more over the last three seasons.

Wow. Obviously, he's having a huge quarterback upgrade with Aaron Rogers, who is surrounded by Garrett Wilson, Mike Williams, who's 30 years old

and coming off at ACL-Tare. And you have Tyler Conklin, who's a capable tight end here, if he had six touchdowns last year, he would have been the tight end 13. Is that possible? I would say yes in this new offense with Aaron Rogers. So I just want to throw him out there as somebody who has gotten a lot of great comments out of camp this year and is going to be the tight end for Aaron Rogers on a team that we all think is going to be really good if they can stay healthy. I wholeheartedly agree, Craig. I think this is a phenomenal call. And I think that obviously, the Garrett Wilson, Rogers, DeVante Adams thing can happen. But also,

there's always another player that Rogers develops the second mind meld with and I think this could be Tyler Conklin I think is perfect for Rogers and I think this is an excellent call and Conklin's like the epitome of like that random tight end that will be a waiver ad and just randomly end up as a top 10 guy for the rest of the season. I think this is a perfect call. Conklin's perfect

for this exercise. One more tight end that I want to mention is Kobe Parkinson also of the Rams who by the way the Rams throw to their tight end a lot. If you look at the last five years Tyler Higbee has been the main guy for them His targets last five years, 70, 108, 85, 60, 89. He's eighth among all tight ends in targets in that stretch. And obviously, Higby is coming off an ACLTA very late in the season.

And they signed Colby Parkinson to a three-year deal. And late in his career. Tyler Higby's 31 now. They signed Parkinson to a three-year, $22.5 million deal with $15 million guaranteed. That's like not nothing for the tight end position. And I don't know if I watched Colby Parkinson last year for the Seahawks. He was in a three-person rotation, so he didn't get to play a time, but he's actually a pretty good receiver. I think he's very underrated in, like, just his body control and hands, and especially in the red zone, he's just so big.

They could really utilize him in there. So I think if you're looking for a guy to maybe streamed at tight end this year or just have like an extra tight end to think hopefully maybe in week one, he'll like get six or seven targets and you're like, okay, this is this guy's going to be interesting this year. I think Colby Parkinson could be that guy. I just, I just Googled Colby Parkinson, and he was born in my hometown, San Ramon. There we go. That's insane. Also, is Austin Hooper from there, too? Austin Hooper is not from San, is he from San Ramon?

But the thing is, Colby Parkinson went to Oaks Christian down in L.A. Now, Austin Hooper's from San Mateo. That's where he was born. Colby Parkinson has a really long hair. But he moved to Dublin, which is then right next to where I grew up. That's why I know, Mr. Hooper. by the way, what team's he on? Do you know?

Titans, no. I was going to say Titans too. He's on the Patriots. Oh, God. The black hole of fantasy points. Actually, Drake May could be a good sleeper, by the way. You want to add him in here, come to us? Let him start. Let him start. Let's do this.

Yeah. You can run around a little. Sure. Fantasyf Football.com.com. We have a rankings out. Use them for your drafts. And then also just remind it, we're going to be doing, we have shows for the whole season.

We're not just preseason. We have Sundays, Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays. We're doing shows the whole season. We don't just talk fantasy. We love the NFL. Give advice. We just, we talk everything. We talk, you know, when Russell Wilson's throwing against air

in the warm-ups before a game, you know, we hit the whole gamut. So let's do an email before you get out of here. Emails. Emo. It's from Jordan. Jordan. Jordo. Jordo.

Jordo. Jordo in the house. All right. Cool. So we asked for people to send in some suggestions for Sunday night awards. We do our Sunday night episodes. And we wanted some categories. Jordan emailed in a suggestion.

The Saito, the Inception Award for, you know, the old guy who hires Ludo Caper in inception inception. And Leo de Cap, he's like in the helicopter asking to get in. Oh man, filled with regret. Yeah, Leodicapri's like, how can I know? I feel like, first of all, this is perfect for like James and Williams. And you're like, how could I trust you will deliver? He's like, you can't.

but I will. Do you want to become an old man filled with regret waiting to die alone? And I'm like, that is pretty good. I feel like a lot of my fantasy decisions are like every week. I'm like, how do I know James and Williams will deliver?

It's like you can't. But I will. And then you're stuck in limbo forever because it didn't really work out that way. That was good. That was like me with Martavis Bryant for a good five seasons. Dude, Martavis Bryant still making headlines, Craig.

I saw something about Martavis Bryant. He scored a touchdown. Last night. in the Washington Patriots game. Oh yeah, we're recording this Monday, by the way. He scored a touchdown. So he's on the commanders, is something I just learned. Is he going to make the team?

I don't think so. I don't think so. But he did score, I mean, he's playing in the third preseason game. I think Dan Quinn was talking him up. Sure. That's probably not. Sure. It's probably not.

I do love that line, though. Don't they say that twice in the movie? Doesn't it come back again at the end when he sees Saito and he's way older? Yeah, and he reminds him. I think it's because of the beginning and the end, in the like old man living alone dying of regret. Was he in a dream? Does anybody know? I saw crazy theory about inception the other day.

Not inception, sorry, interstellar. And it was one of those videos where I was like this is it was like, it was like QAnon for movies. And then I watched it. I was like, oh fuck, I think this guy's right. This is awful. You get to tell us? Spoiler. All right. If you haven't seen interstellar. I heard the best joke the other day. Anyway, big gulfs, huh? All right.

Well, the theory is that McConaughey died in Interstellar, like very, like on the first takeoff. Okay. And I was like, that's insane. But he went through it and they used the same shot when he's like leaving Earth and then coming down at the end to that like whatever, spoiler, that whatever planet. It's the same, like, literally the same shot. And he's like, why would Christopher Nolan use the same shot that would never happen? And then he looks through it.

And it actually thematically connects through everything. And the point being that the movie is literally about like, you know, how love the only thing that can span dimensions is. love. But his point was, if you actually go a level deeper, that what Interstellar would be about is that, I think there's a line that, like, in Interstellar that, like, when they die, like, your parents are waiting for you in heaven. And the idea that, you know, when he walks in at the end and no one fucking talks to him or notices him? Interesting. When he goes to see his daughter old? Yes. So the idea is that when he shows up there at the end, that's actually his elderly daughter, she's dying. And what are they always saying about him? He's welcoming her to

heaven. He's welcoming her to the afterlife. Wow. And so I'm like, oh, fuck, that makes sense. And then when it hit me, what do they always say? Murph, I was your ghost. Like throughout the movie, the thing hitting the books with the sand that she's figured out the Morse code, they literally, they kept trying to figure out what's the ghost, who's the ghost? He's the ghost. And the idea that your parents are always with you. Wow. That's really sweet. Send me that. I want to read that. It was incredible. It was an incredible theory. I'll tweet it out. I love the idea that it's been 10 years since Interstellar came out. Just the only guy who actually got it is this random dude.

It's actually just a Chris Nolan burner. He's fucking pissed that nobody figured it out. This is taking way too fucking much. I'm just going to spoil it. I love that idea that they just like never told us what it's actually about. Did you guys see that quote recently from Quentin Tarantino who says that the toy story trilogy is like the most perfect trilogy in movie history? and he refuses to watch Toy Story 4, he doesn't care if it's good.

Because he's like, Toy Story 3 was like the perfect ending ever to a trilogy, and I refuse to see the fourth movie. Dude, he's right. I appreciate that. So good. Was like an event. I just love how much he loves.

When he came into the office, God, five years ago, or 2019, and he listed his top 10 movies of the 20th century, or sorry, at the 2010s, although he would have thoughts on the 20th century. Toy Story 3, I think, was his third or fourth favorite movie of the 2010s. He loves it. It's a perfect movie. Craig, that's also on the short list of movies we were like around the perfect age for. My brother, your brother was also

a senior in high school going to college that summer came out. And my brother was going to college. So I saw in theaters with my mom, my brother, all my brother's friends. My mom was fucking, the first scene is moving out your kid for college. What do you do with the toys? My mom was like a fucking puddle. Like she was just melting. Dude, the scene of all of them going into the fire at the end, holding hands is one of the more emotional. moments of my life. Dude, I don't know if I've seen Toysory 3. Have you not?

Oh, it's so good. I'm pretty sure I haven't. I'm very excited now to watch it with Calvin because I don't remember it well enough to like have a strong opinion. I obviously really liked the first one. They go to like toy daycare essentially. I don't think I've seen it.

Yeah. You know, I've never thought of it in that terms, but yeah, in terms of like the third movie of a trilogy, it probably actually is up there with literally anything. Damn. I love that. I think it is a 90. on Rotten Tomatoes, DK. I'm pretty sure I've seen, I know I've seen the first two,

but I don't think I saw the third. I saw the fourth as well, which was not as good. And they're making a fifth. Why not? They got the IP. They might as well do it. Wait, now I want to know where it ranks in the tomato

because I think it used to be... Aren't all the Toy Story is like 99? First three? It's 98. I don't know. Yeah, Toy Story 2 is actually 100. Toy Story 1 is 100, and Toy Story 3 is 98.

which, yeah, that tracks. But the whole Rotten Tomatoes thing is actually just it's silly. It's a binary system. It's basically thumbs up or thumbs down. So 75% of the people give it a thumbs up, it gets a 75. Yeah, but the people who don't give a thumbs up

the Toy Story Story are like war criminals. But you rank it out of 10. I think it's so it's like, if 100% of people gave a movie a 6 out of 10, it gets a 100, a 100. Oh, gotcha, gotcha. So it's kind of weird. It's like movies that don't ruffle a lot of feathers

do really well in Rotten Tomatoes, movies that are like inoffensive and often, yeah, like children's movies because most people will give it like a six or a seven at the very least. So that's why they do so well in Rotten Tomatoes. I don't understand how any movie can have like that high of a rating on anything.

Well, I guess you just explained it, but like there's so many haters for everything. You know what I mean? Yeah. But how many people are like, Toy Story, four out of ten? Two out of ten. Wasn't even close.

I think that's the thing is you can't get that many people to agree on anything. There's just people that just like to hate for fun. You know what I mean? Yeah. I do it with Josh Palmer. I do it Chris Godwin.

Anyway, give us four stars on Spotify. No, five. Jesus Christ. Oh, is it out of five? Give us five. Five. Give us all of the stars. Five stars.

Sorry, I thought it was out of four. I messed up. Please give us five. I think it's how many Michelin stars? Can you get three or does it only go to two? It's out of three. It's out of three. Really fucking with this guys.

Give us five stars at Spotify, please. the full amount of stars. Five. Dekke, you can bring a fucking rating. They should do podcast, Michelin Stars. How cool would that be if it was like the Bill Simmons podcast has earned a Michelin Star rating? I would travel to a country to listen to this podcast. That'd be so cool if it was like only 20 pods a year and got a Michelin Star. That's a good idea.

If anyone at Michelin's listening to this, get in contact with us. Yeah, the tire company. They're going to give out awards for restaurants and podcasts. There you go. All right. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you everyone for listening. Thank you, Michelin.

Hey, just listening. Thank you, everyone. was five stars, baby. RingerFancy Football at gmail.com. Good luck on your drafts if you're drafted in this week. Let us know. Let us know how you did. Yeah. Thank you, Lauren.

Lauren. Thank you, Bubba Sparks. Don't know that is. Also, thank you, Kai. I forgot Kai. Who's Bubba Sparks? Who's Bubba Sparks? You know what that is? I don't really know what that is either.

Oh, is that Miss New Booty guy? Yes. Warren Anderson Mathis. Oh, Bubba Sparks with the Triple X. Miss New Booty. I was trying to come up with the, was it, who's the guy that sings the last song on Toy Story? Like, you've got a friend of me. Randy Newman.

Randy Newman. Yeah, I was trying to come up with that by I couldn't off the top. Oh, Bubba Sparks was also on the song. Yeah, yeah, featuring Bubba Sparks. Do you think Bubba Sparks and Randy Newman have ever been, those two names have ever been uttered back to back? Dude, sit and scouragami. The Bubba Sparks remix. Well, I was going to say Randy Newman, but then I thought about Bubba Sparks.

No, that's a sentence to gargami. That's like when we were talking about like, what do we say? Like, thank you, Dolly Parton and Polo Assassin? How do you remember that? Oh my God. Oh, my God. Dude, the Polo Assassin. Pole Assassin was in the news recently.

I can't remember what for. Did you remember this? Did you see this? This is the monkey. This is the Texas recruiter who was dating the woman who had a monkey, the stripper who had a monkey as part of the, that stripper was doing work in that routine. And then he bit the guy, the monkey, not the guy. I'm trying to find.

the story about pole assassin. That was truly one of the craziest things ever. The monkey's just, she's like the ace ventura of strippers. Oh, there's like an Instagram post from this person who says, it's no secret.

I've changed my name from Pole Assassin to Danny Banks now that I'm married. Danny Banks. That's what they called me in high school. Nice. I don't know. Tim Duncan. Pole assassin.

They changed my name from Pole Assassin, one word. The best. Shout out Randy Newman. She says Paul Assassin is in the past, but I'm still a legend, a.k.a. goat. I love this.

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