The Ringer NFL Show - Fantasy Sleepers 2.0 and Jonathan Taylor News Reactions

Episode Date: August 30, 2023

Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck open by reacting to the news that running back Jonathan Taylor will miss the first four games of the season after the Indianapolis Colts announced they won’t be trading him before the start of the season (2:07). Next, they revisit and update their list of fantasy sleepers by categorizing them into various tiers, from overlooked guys in the earlier rounds to the deepest of sleepers (19:16). Finally, the guys close with emails (57:16). Check out our 2023 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens Producer: Kai Grady Audio intern: Jack Sanders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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That's Thursday, 2.30 Eastern, Reddit AMA, so you can catch us there. Boom. We're going to get into our sleepers. These are the guys that it's crunch time. We're actually drafting. We've been talking all month, but it's like, you know, we're doing our drafts this week and we're like, wow, these are the guys that where everything, the dust has settled, that we just like these guys are just misvalued and we like them a lot.

But first, news, we were thinking about leading with all the kickers. But I guess we'll start with Jonathan Taylor. So the Colts did not trade Jonathan Taylor by their self-imposed deadline. they're going to place Jonathan Taylor on the physically unable to perform list, which means Jonathan Taylor will at least miss the first four games of the season. And then beyond that, who knows? We have updated our rankings at fantasyf football.3.com. We have moved Jonathan Taylor all the way down to 85.

And to tell you the truth, it was spiritually felt really incorrect because we put them right next to Rashad Penny. You know what? When they play, they're good. Are they going to play? Who knows? And to tell you the truth, I wish we had a more forensic account. counting of why we could drop Jonathan Taylor down to 85, but to tell you the truth, we kind of vibes it out.

And I don't know, if we knew that Jonathan Taylor was only going to miss four games, we'd have them higher. But now a Levi-on-Bell thing really does seem on the table here. It's not, no, too priced in, but there's a real chance. I don't know. Jonathan Taylor might not want to play until the trade deadline. And so at some point, it's really about your risk tolerance. We were talking about how much having an injured reserve slot on your league could actually

alter whether you take them or not. but DK, when you look at this 85, if I told you we were like a comeback from the future, I'm like, we're way too high or low on this. Like, what are you more, like, what are you more concerned? Where do you lean that you're like, oh, my God? If I'm being totally honest, I'm worried we're too low because he's a great player. You know, there is still a chance, although maybe it's more remote now that he does get traded to a good team and ends up playing the final, you know, whatever amount of games that he's going to play this year.

And he's awesome. And he like kicks ass and everyone's really glad they took him. But at the same time, the way, the way, the way, When we talked through it, it was like, do we know, first of all, what's going on with his injury? Like, do we know anything about this mysterious injury? We don't. He truly seems to hate this front office. It seems like there's been a very, very strong animosity between him and Erse in particular.

Ursa, of course, went on and went public about how he's just not that valuable to them, blah, blah, blah. You know, I think, I'm sure Jonathan Taylor, after taking the amount of punishment he takes as a running back, did not take kindly to that. there is this chance, long story short, that even when he's coming off the PUP list in week five, that he just won't play, that he'll, like, string this along,

he'll do the Michael Thomas thing where he's like, oh, my ankle still hurts or whatever. And, you know, he just stays up on the PUP list. And then people that got him in the eighth round or seventh round overpaid for him. You know what I mean? So there's just so many scenarios that could go in here. It's really tough to know.

And I think that's, again, spiritually, why we chose to put it where he did is like, Rashad Penny, he could lead the league in rushing. or he could just not play. It's one of those guys that he's just so unreliable. I don't know where to put him. But I think that's mainly why we put him there. He's not like a Kamara situation where after X amount of weeks,

he's coming back and he's going to be awesome. It's like, will he come back? Craig, you're more skeptical of this 85 on Jonathan Taylor. I don't know. This stuff is so hard. It's really just like, it comes down to the psychology of you as a drafter, right? Like, he's going to go for very cheap in auction drafts.

this is the perfect situation for somebody who like doesn't really know what's this is the guy who's like the least informed about football in the league who will draft him being like oh what he's out four weeks whatever he's like isn't he like one of the best running backs in the league that guy will take him i and for and for all we know he'll come back week five and rush for like 1,100 yards or like dk said he'll quiet quit and hope for a trade and we have no idea i mean after that video we saw of him limping around training camp that didn't exactly inspire confidence in me. He looked like my grandpa out there on the field. I, me personally, I tend to stay away from guys like this. I usually don't like me.

There's like a million red flags. I know technically he has a huge upside, but I tend to stay away. Here's the problem. I think maybe the simplest way I could explain why we have. Because there are probably people listening being like Jonathan Taylor at 85, like we're insane. Here's the simplest way to explain it. Him being injured is like the best case scenario. Because think about it this way. If Jonathan Taylor's not hurt, And he's milking this situation. He's milking. He's like, oh, my ankle, my back.

Like, to just because he doesn't want to play for the Colts. Then why would he come back after four weeks? If he's milking it because he doesn't want to play, then he's, then the earliest we're talking about is Halloween for the trade deadline because there's no reason to go to the PUP and come back if it's just like. So we now, the optimistic scenario is actually Jonathan Taylor does want to play, but is so injured that he must be ruled out for the first month. I don't even know if that makes sense,

but that is the best case scenario here. So, I mean, we got a running back with an ankle and a back issue. Again, it's a weird thing to parse. But at some point, you have to remember that when people are in the middle of an injury, you almost have to take the name away. I think it's the hardest part of doing our job is you have all these analysis of like in all this history, right, memories of this player. But when they're hurt, they're not quite that player.

And so either Jonathan Taylor is not that guy or he is that guy. he doesn't want to play. And either those seem pretty awful to me. Do we think that the dolphins are just going to trade for him midseason for a lower price and that they kind of called Indianapolis's bluff here and was like, fine, you're not going to lower the price now? We'll wait. So I don't know exactly what they offered. Here's the problem. It's twofold. If you're the dolphins, why would you pay a higher pick to get less of Jonathan Taylor? Because you were trying to trade from to get 17 regular season games plus the playoffs. So you're basically banking one of the dolphins being in the playoff race and having injuries.

And you're banking on desperation for teams to pay more later. The flip side is the floor is the cults are like, well, if he goes into free agency, maybe we can get like a fourth round compensatory pick. So then it's like our team's going to flip a third or fourth round pick. You get into all that stuff. But I don't know where this goes. Honestly, the Levion Bell thing was weird because Levion Bell had made a lot of money and had more freedom. But you could argue that I don't know what Jonathan Taylor is going to do.

But I think that's kind of the point is. I don't know how many of these options really lead to Jonathan Taylor playing two and F months at being great. Yeah. I think we alluded to it a little bit in terms of like if he's going to come off the PUP list after four weeks too. But the other worry that makes me, I mean, I feel fine where we have him. Like I feel ultimately fine where we have him.

But the other thing is like if he does get actually nicked up down the stretch, like is he going to fight to come back? That's the other worry. So there's like, it's like a sandwich of worry. Not only are we worried is he going to come back in four, in week four. But if he does get banged up, he hasn't picks up like an ankle or whatever, is he going to fight to get back on the field when he has a legit injury down the line, you know, for a team that like has, you know, put him in this situation where they

clearly don't value him like he wants to be valued. So, you know, it's, this is just like walking a tightrope. There's, there's certainly a chance that it will work out, but there's a lot of ways that you can fall off. To give people something tangible to take away from this, let's say you're doing an auction draft. How much money should John and Taylor go for? should he go for sub-10? That's a good question.

I will say this. I'd rather take him in an auction than a snake draft because in a snake draft there's an opportunity to cost of, if I take Taylor now, I definitely can't have this other player, you know, who's going to get taken. And frankly, I look at the reason they have Jonathan Taylor 85 is we have Jahan Dotson, like, you know, not that far.

It's like the idea of letting Jahan Dotson go because of Taylor. So frankly, I think if you're an auction drafts is the most likely place to take him, yeah, throw a few bucks on them if you have an IRA. spot, four bucks, whatever. You think he's going to go that low, three, four dollars? I think he'll be in the 10 to 15 range. Yeah, realistically, I don't think I'd go much beyond 10 or 11 bucks. Because when you get in that range, now you're talking about like, well, I could

have gotten like Traylon Burks and, I don't know, Elijah Moore for 10 bucks. But to tell you the truth, what would make the difference for me is whether you have the IR spot. Right. Because at least that is not burning a hole in your roster. Okay. Next question real quick before we move on. What now?

Are we taking it? Zach Moss? I think my favorite guy on this roster right now is Zach Moss. He has a broken arm. Because it just wasn't annoying enough. So maybe Dion Jackson then by default. Or maybe Evan Hole or whatever his name is? It's Evan Hole.

Okay. Sounded wrong for some reason. I don't know. Yeah, he's not going to play the first month. Is he going to play in the last month? Is he going to be traded at the trade deadline? And then the Colchereet, right. Zach Moss is the guy.

We were talking with Riley McAtee earlier today, one of our editors, he was just like, yeah, Zach Moss averaged a yard and a half more per carry. There's a lot of weird things to the Coles last year. Dion Jackson, I think he's all right. D.K., you think he's just a guy. Jag is your worst name you can call a player. It's not to say he's bad.

I just don't think he's special. I think Zach Moss is more close stylistically to what Jonathan Taylor is typewise in terms of he's big, physical. He can break tackles, make some hay after first contact, create on his own. Whereas I think Dion Jackson is just, you know, he's fine. He'll do his job, but he's not like going to elevate anything.

So here's where we put these guys. And again, there's a number we put to them, but we really want to share the logic. Because again, I wish we could give more forensic accounting here, but we had to balance a lot of things. We put Zach Moss right next to Jeff Wilson at 127 because we thought Jeff Wilson actually represented a lot of what's going on Zach Moss, which is Zach Moss might not play. one necessarily with the broken arm. But when he's healthy is probably the starter

if Jonathan Taylor's not there. I think Zach Moss, similar to Jeff Wilson, might just, you know what? Might be nothing. Like, Jeff might not play. Zach Moss might just be like rotating with Jonathan Taylor after week four. Jonathan Taylor also might not play.

And Zach Moss also straight up might just be a starting running back for the Colts for like the final four months of the season. And that's a crazy range. And he might be weirdly good at it. So I thought Zach Moss is there. Then we have Dion Jackson, like 20 spots lower, kind of around Tank Bigsby.

We don't know your role. We don't know how much you're going to participate. And we have Evan H. frankly, kind of like a little lower around like Devon A chain, just like frisky rookie. But really, I think the Dolphins backfield is kind of similar to these Colts backups. Evan Hole is, I think his claim would be he's a good pass catcher. So that's how he could kind of carve out his role.

He's big and fast, too. The one thing I will say about Zach Moss is last year when he played from week 15 through 18, he was the RB20 in that stretch. he averaged almost 11 points for game and half ppr. Like, he was pretty good. And so that to me is why I've got him ranked the highest. And that's why we put him where he is. But again, there's just so many variables that we don't know.

It's hard to really nail down exactly what's going to happen here. But that's why I'm going with Zach Moss as the next man up, because I think he'll be back week two, week one or two, with this broken arm, off this broken arm and carry the load if Jonathan Taylor is not playing after week four. Let me ask you this. If you've already drafted, should you just go? And let's say everybody went and ran and grabbed Dion Jackson and Zach Moss. Should you just add Kareem Hunt for the next week just to see?

Probably. Yeah. I think that's a good idea. If you cut your kicker for sure and add either Zach Moss, Dion Jackson, or Kareem Hunt. Yeah, I think that's a really good note. Like, that's definitely the first thing. Yeah, just rent Kareem Hunt for a week and see if he signs. Did he visit there?

I can't remember. Yeah, he did. There was a report out yesterday that the Colts were actively considering Kareem Hunt. So he's 15% rostered right now on Yahoo. So just grab him for a week. If he doesn't sign, you can drop them. And I think that's kind of the big picture, again, as Craig said, a tangible way to look at this.

I kind of think the cult's running backs are kind of just can be best understood as like the Dolphins running backs and which team Jonathan Taylor is on is kind of hanging over both of those backfields. They're all very fragile. But within that, there's upside. But then it's Kreme Hunt too. But that's, yeah, go cut your kicker unless you have Justin Tucker and just add. Zach Moss.

There you go. Okay. Next up, Arizona Cardinals Cut Colt McCoy. So the starting quarterback for the Arizona Cardinals will either be Clayton Toon, Tuny, or Josh Dobbs.

Tuned up. I love it. Tooned up. Josh Dobbs has been in Arizona Cardinals since August 24th, which five days ago? Yeah, but he only needed like two days to start the other,

to start a game for the, I think it was the Titans last year, right? Like he did fine. So he's gonna be, D.K. Do you think, do you think, do you think Carla Murray plays a game this year?

I do. Yes. Okay. I'm still sticking with it. Cardinals are winning nine games, baby. Nine games. I'm going to die on this hill for no fucking reason. I don't even believe this take, but just the idea, just for some reason, whenever

whenever like the media, everyone agrees on one thing, like my spidey sense starts going, okay, something's up here. Every single person on the internet made a tanking joke yesterday when Colt McCoy was cut. And so therefore, I kind of feel like the Cardinals are going to be good this year. They're going to be fine. Carter Murray is going to start playing after four weeks because he's on the PUP list, so he can't play for four weeks after that. Wheels up, they're going to be amazing.

It's not to take perch you are professionally responsible for everything you just said. So good luck with that. But yeah, the Cardinals are simming the season like Madden. Before we get into this, I don't think cutting Colt McCoy means you're tanking. Did you watch Colt McCoy play last year? No, no, no. It's leaving your options to be. Clayton Tooney, who's a fifth round rookie, or trading for Josh Jobs, who hasn't been on the team for

seven days, that's the tanking. Like, those are your options? Well, yeah, that's fair. But they're also going to get Kyler Murray back in like a month. I also don't know of any other team that I think even has a chance to be the worst team in the league like the Cardinals do. Like, is it the Texans? Like, is it the Panthers? What team is even in contention? The Cardinals have the Texas pick. This is, again, shout at Hayden Wink's at Underdog. We made this. The Cardinals are simming the season like Madden. You trade it all your players. You stop spending money and just get the picks. Let me just sim to that draft where I collected all those picks. That's all they're doing. I get it. It's fine. But you're right. If the Cardinals don't care about the season, we don't have to care about the Cardinals.

I just, this isn't even, I don't know how fantasy relevant this is, but why all the kickers got traded? Nick, the Patriots traded Nick Folk to the Titans and the Patriots new kicker is Chad Rylind. Saints traded Will Lutz to Sean Payton and the Denver Broncos. And the Saints new kicker, do I have this wrong? Who cares? Who cares? Who cares? Blake group?

Sure. Blake group? Sure. Groupie? Is the kicker for the New Orleans Saints? People, NFL teams just cycle kickers back and forth. You know, it's like media executives. They just get fired from one company and hired it another.

It's just like, doesn't matter. Basically, it's like if you miss a crucial kick on your team, you'll get traded to another team until you miss a crucial kick on that team and then you'll get traded to a new team. That's the cycle. This whole story, and I tweeted this, it reminds me of one of my favorite comics, Brian Regan has this bit about how he saw two log trucks

going past each other on the highway. He's like, if they need logs over there, and if they needed logs over there, you'd think a phone call would have to save them a whole lot of trouble? Why putting them on a truck and going the other way? This is how I feel about kickers. Just sign somebody. It doesn't fucking matter, unless you have Justin Tucker,

which only one team does. It's all, every other kicker is the same. Swapping Dustin Hopkins for Cade York or whatever. It doesn't matter. You should have a kicker for 10 years and he can't leave and that's it. It is like the NFL teams did a key party with the kickers. Like they really did. Which is going out with someone else's kicker.

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ranking father here. Well, you're the only father here. Let's keep it that way for some time. we're to start off a little dad nap, a little light sleep sleeper. Give us your first, you know, little dad nap sleeper here. Yeah, this is a very light sleeper.

And I'm going to go with David Montgomery for the Lions. It's kind of a, it's a little bit of a Glansberg in the sense that we just haven't really talked about this guy. I don't think anyone's really talking about him all that much.

And so therefore, I think he kind of qualifies as a sleeper. And I feel like I'm the last person on the face of the earth that thinks David Montgomery is good. Does anyone else think he's good? No one thinks this guy's good. Good. The Lions gave him a three-year $18 million contract. He got $8.8 million guaranteed.

And that number, the guaranteed number, is actually 10th among all running backs who are not on the rookie contract. So that feels high for David Montgomery. He seems to me like a replacement level running back. No, this is what I'm saying. He's good. Or at least he's above average. I'll put that way. He's there. I do think, I will say in all seriousness, that I think he's better than Jabal Williams was last year. And obviously, I don't think we're going to see a recreation of what Jamar Williams did last year, where he scored whatever it was, 18 touchdowns and led the NFL in touchdowns. But situation and environment really does matter for running backs. I feel like we're kind of losing that thread a little bit when it comes to David Montgomery. Just comparing.

So first of all, David Montgomery was RB23 last year. He was the RB 27 in points per game. So, you know, low end RB2, again, not super exciting, but whatever. We've got him as our RB 27. I think that's his absolute floor. on this Lions team, if he compared the Lions in the Bears last year, the Lions were fifth and points per game,

the Bears were 23rd and points per game. The Lions rushed for 880 yards and 23 touchdowns. Sorry, the Lions running backs did that. The Bears running back 1600 yards. Not 800, 800, 800, 800 yards, 23 touchdowns. Bears running backs rush for 1,600 yards, and only nine touchdowns as a team. The Lions, and this is from fantasy points,

the Lions team expected fantasy points last year was 1,300. The Bears was 880. There's like a 400 point difference in fantasy points expected. And that's just all, that's a long way of saying the Lions offense is so much fucking better than the Bears offense. And they're going to score so many more points than the Bears offense did last year. And I think David Montgomery being in this new situation, like I said, like RV7, that was what he was last year on the shitty Bears team, shitty Bears offense. And now he's on a very good offense. He's probably going to score a lot of touchdowns.

Probably not as many touchdowns is Jamal Williams. But his opportunities were just going to skyrocket. last year, and this isn't even inside the five yard line. We talk about like Jamal Williams rushing from inside the five lot. From inside the 10 yard line, Jamal Williams rushed 45 times.

David Montgomery, 16 last year. So I think he's just going to convert more of those into touchdowns. And I think he's going to outplay his ADP. So I think he's a sleeper. He's the first team all boring team. I think this is exactly like this is if you want, if you think you're trying to fade hype,

sexiness, and you just think the edge of the market, is people that are completely boring you don't think about ever. I think this is David Montgomery's your guy. I like your pitch, D.K., but then when I go in and look at David Montgomery in our rankings, we have him as our 27th running back. Every guy ahead of him, though, I feel like I'd still, even though I like David Montgomery enough and I think he's a solid pick, I'm like, would I have him over Rashad White?

Probably not. Madison, probably not. Camara, probably not. Miles Sanders, probably not. And I'm like, well, maybe he is probably ranked, but he is still a good pick at where he is ranked. You know what? David Montgomery's everyone's a cup of tea, but he's.

no one shot of whiskey, you know what I mean? Because I look at the guys even we have after David Montgomery. And I'm just looking at this list after James Cook, sexy. Joe Burrow, sexy to me. DeAndre Swift, I love DeAndre Swift. Sexy. Sex appeal. Great name. David Montgomery's cute. You know what I mean? He's not turning heads in high school. The girls aren't after him like that. He's cute. He's like, he's going to do better later in English for a semester. DeAndre Swift is the exact opposite where DeAndre Swift right in the same range is like the absurdly absurdly hot person who's probably like pretty crazy but he's so high up on the crazy hot scale that you're like oh my god but the flip side bill always talks about this like bill and with teams or fantasy it's

like buying a distressed asset deandre swift do you remember one year ago deandre swift thousands thousands maybe billions of people we're taking deandre swift in the second round of drafts one year ago. He was like the 15th pick overall in fantasy. And it was a disaster year. He was hurt and he was benched and the coaches hated him and Jamal Williams got literally all

the goal line touches. And all right, yeah, that's bad. DeAndre Swift, we have him 70th this year, give or take. I mean, on ESPN, DeAndre Swift's 89th. Like if you're drafting on ESPN between now and the season, DeAndre Swift is behind A.J. Dillon. He's 30 spots

behind Giovante Williams. One year Before Giovante Williams hurt his knee, DeAndjay Swift was a full round ahead of Giovanni Williams. And since then Giovanni Williams has shredded his knee, returned, and is still 25, 30 spots out of DeAndre Swift. What are we doing here? If it's an auction draft, you can get Deonti Swift for $3. That's crazy to me.

The funny thing about Swift is he finished us the RB22 last year. He was like, fine. He didn't live up to his ADP, but he didn't wreck you either. You know what I mean? Like he was, he was not great, but he was not atrocious either. in that alliance offense. And so, yeah, now in an offense with like such a great O line, I think he's an absolute value.

I think people are just like worried that he's, they just don't know how this whole rotation is going to work out. And I think they're undervaluing him because of that. I agree. We don't know. But like, there's a lot of things we don't know about this season. I'm just, I'm not to pick on ESPN, but I'm just, I'm looking at ESPN's rankings.

And again, if you're doing an auction on ESPN, it's like $4? For Deandre's, you know what I mean? I feel that way that every eagle's running back. They're all like $5. I would just draft them all. One of them is going to hit. And that's kind of the thing.

Look, we can go into like yards before contact and specifics of suit. But at the end of the day, he was the second round pick one year ago. And I was the Eagles traded for him. I don't know what's going to happen. Probably somewhere in between the second and the ninth round. Apparently, or ostensibly the Eagles like him because they traded for him. The lions clearly did not like him. And he was still a RV 22.

So, yeah. All right. a little light sleep dad nap here. Yeah, Alexander Madison is my guy here who's going around 50th. Alexander Madison was the most elite handcuff and fantasy football

for two straight years. All we talked about is like, if you're going to get a handcuff, get Madison. If Dalvin Cook ever gets hurt, Madison's amazing. And you know what? Every time Dalvin Cook got hurt, Madison was amazing. Whether or not you think he's actually good, the volume he got and the numbers he put up were fantastic. Delvin Cook's missed

four games the last two seasons. In those four, games, Madison average 19 fantasy points a game. Last year, that would have been first in fantasy football. Dalvin Choke is on a different team. He essentially tore his ACL and it is now Madison's time. They have no other running backs. They have a second round, a fifth round rookie from last year, Ty Chandler, who got hurt last year. And that's kind of it. And for some reason, we just stepped into this season and we're all like, actually Madison's gross now. When he was a backup, he was sexy, but now that he's a starter, he's gross. And it's the same. And it's the same. same role. Like, I feel like if it was week five and Dalvin Cook was still on the Vikings and he got

hurt, we'd all be like, oh my God, spend $100 on Alexander Madison of your free agent auction budget because he's, he's truly an RB1 when Dalvin Cook is out. But for some reason, now that Dalvin Cook's officially out, we don't see Madison that way. Why isn't he like top 10? I think it's truly, it is truly because we don't believe he's good. But you're right, the volume is almost surely going to be there. Well, probably probably going to be there. Well, I'll give you a Volume stat. When Madison was playing when Dalvin was hurt, he got 77% of team rushing attempts. That would have been second last year behind only Josh Jacobs. His target share was seventh among running backs. Like the dude's just getting elite work when he's on the field.

I think that not stylistically, but in terms of fantasy football, the comparison for Alex Madison was Tony Pollard, where it's like Tony Pollard was behind Ezekiel Elliott and Alex Madison was behind Dalvin Cook. And if one of them got hurt, that guy's like, oh, true, one for one backup will get all the work and be good and they hurt. And Alex Madison was behind. Madison was in fantasy good. I think the difference is on a per touch basis, Tony Pollard, as Dickie Liff says, is like, I don't know, the best player in the history of the NFL.

Not really, but it always seemed that way because, you know, he was always good on a per touch basis. Madison just got a lot of touches and was there. And I think the two problems are, one, to your point, half the games he filled in were against the Lions and the worst run defense in the league. And the other one is the difference between Madison and, like, Tony Pollard gets the job with Zeke Elliott, you know, gone.

And we're like, oh, he's a top 15 player, probably still undervalued. The difference is Alex Madison has 404 career carries. One has gone longer than 24 yards. Why is he higher than Najee Harris? It's funny. Actually, when I have that note,

I have parentheses, Najee Harris ass written down next to him. Yeah. That is a Najee Harris ass stat. And Najee Harris has Jalen Warren sniffing up his butt. And Alexander Madison's got nobody. I think that's probably the fair thing

is that Alex Madison's probably like the Kirkland brand, Najee Harris, because honestly, Najee Harris, like the Steelers being committed to giving him a lot of touches. But now Jalen Warren might get some. Like, that's fair. Madison just, I mean, look, him and David Montgomery, these are two boring running backs to me. I'm just, I would just kind of rather have the receivers around them.

Like, Christian Watson's right there. I'm like, I'd rather just have Christian Watson. Craig, are you worried at all that the Madison numbers that we cite so frequently came when he was playing for a different coach? Because last year, he started zero games. Like, he would, you know. Well, yeah, Dalman didn't get hurt last year. And the year before that, it was the Mike Zimmer team. Like, it was a totally different coaching staff.

And so I think there's two question marks with him that make me just shy away is that, number one, I don't think he's very good. Or he's not, I don't think he's special. Put it that way. There's one probably happy. Yeah. You're not any good. Yeah. Have you ever seen him skate?

You're a hockey player? But, yeah, like, to me, he's just, I don't know if he's special. And number two, like, I don't think we know really how the team is going to use their running. back rotation. So that those are the two things that I'm just like, I'm out. I think those are pretty soft excuses. I mean, like, Hey, Dickett, stop being a bitch. You're actually like a bitch right now. Yeah, that's fair. I mean, honestly, like scared money don't make money kind of deal is certainly true. But like, hell yeah. He's just boring. That's it. Yeah. That part of our rankings at

fantasyfobble.com, we have just a bad, just all these like really boring guys next to all these really sexy guys. I mean, you know, I mean, we got Miles Sanders, Camakers, King of the Boring, Alvin Camara, obviously huge name. Tyler Lockett, King of the Boring. Lamar Jackson, extremely sexy player. Alex Madison, extremely boring. DeAndre Hopkins, really, like, fun player. Christian Watson, sexy. Justin Fields, sexy. James Connor extremely boring. Just like, just back, like your little Myers-Briggs test right there for you. By the way, Madison last year was second and missed tackles force per attempt. Also, the Vikings, as we speak waived rookie Dwayne McBride who people thought might have a chance at like playing over him.

I just think Madison's going to get 20 touches of game. I don't know. Yeah. Maybe I'm stupid. Discount Eric Henry. All right. Let's get to more normal sleepers. These are like REM sleepers. D.K. Yeah. Classic. Good old Rick and Woody Fun sleepers. Hempden hot over this one because I really like him. But I think there is a reason he's a sleeper. It's another guy who's just kind of boring. Brian Robinson Jr. for the commanders who is our running back 33, overall 84th. We're a little bit above consensus on him or terms of ADP. So I think that makes a lot of sense. To me, it's just basically, there's a couple factors here.

Number one, the man got shot in the leg twice, and then he played football last year. If you expect that he's going to be at like full speed after getting shot in the leg, like he got shot in the knee and the thigh, right? Like those are important things for running. and he still came in, played pretty well, and essentially took Antonio Gibson's job, more or less. Like a lot of people thought Gibson was going to be, you know, their three-down guy, like super heavy volume.

And Brian Robinson came in and was playing a very important big role. And so going forward, I don't necessarily think that he's going to take over that backfield. It's very much looking like it's going to be a split. But I think the team really likes Brian Robinson. I don't think they're as high on Antonio Gibson from everything we've heard over last year or two. and I think there's just this chance

that Brian Robinson is going to be more consistent, more reliable, versatile in both the passing game and on the ground throughout the year and could end up having like a bigger role as the year goes on. He's going to get most of the goal line stuff, most of the short down-and-distance stuff because he's a big, tough, physical runner.

And there's also just this chance that the Washington commander's offense is slightly better than we're thinking they're going to be. So to me, he's a pretty good sleeper, not expensive at all, kind of in this middle to late rounds. and I think you can use them as an RV too. There are certain players every year where, like, again,

you build out all these rankings. Like, oh, well, how efficient are they per touch? And how many touches do we think they're going to get? And portions of the offense. And every three or four players every year, I'm like, well, what does that have to do with it? Brian Robinson, I'm like, 3.9 yards per carry last year. I'm like, he played football.

That was incredible. He got shot. He almost, I just, I don't know, I completely agree. I also think, I don't know. First of all, at some point, in fantasy you do want people to root for? I don't know, man. I think he actually could just totally catch passes.

I just kind of believe in him more than Antonio Gibson. Yeah, I think Gibson's going to have his role as a pass catcher. And I think he is good in that role as sort of like a guy that you can move around the formation. He's able to run vertical routes and things like that. But like in terms of just being a pure running back, like coaches like, we talk about this all the time. Coaches get their guys and the guys they trust. And those guys tend as the year goes on to get the more valuable touches. You know what I mean?

And so like especially around the. goal line and in situation, high leverage situations. And coaches tend to go with the guys they trust. And so I think Brian Robinson is that type of player. Like he does the dirty work. He's just a good, you know, sort of gritty runner. And he breaks tackles and he's physical. He has good vision.

One of the things that we heard over the last year or two with Brian, with Antonio Gibson is just like his vision and decision making was not very strong. And that makes sense because he was a receiver in college. And so, I don't know. To me, I'm just like banking on Brian. Ryan Robinson sort of winning over the coaching staff as the year goes on. I love that we came out of the gate here with four straight mid-round dead zone running backs. Good job.

I can fix that. This is like in the last show, Craig, when we just talked about injured guys the whole time. What if they were helping? Look, and it was mainly injured like running backs. I get it. There's a lot of value. If you can find the running backs in, they're all cheaper this year. Running backs are the value of a running backs has been probably as deflated as as it's

ever been in fantasy football. And five years ago, all these guys would have been like third, fourth round picks. And now you can get him in like the fifth, sixth, sixth and seventh. So if you can find the right ones, they're a value. Yeah, it is funny that you could, in theory, like, it's actually totally possible this year to get like Tyree Killer Cooper Cup in the first round. And you could get Tony Pollard, Joe Mixen, and Remindra-Steevinson in the like two, three, four. That's totally possible.

And that is unthinkable in previous seasons. But I'm going to fix it. We've all, the two receivers. Here are my sleeper receivers. It's like all of them between, I don't know, the 70th or 80, like anything after the eighth round, like all the receivers are good. We have Jahan Dots, Jahan Dotson for Washington, so our wide receiver 36, 83 overall. We've Brandon Cooks for Dallas, Jordan Addison in Minnesota, Traylon, on Berks, Tennessee, Gabe Davis to Buffalo. All these guys, all these guys are sleepers.

Like, Jordan Addison is the, it's true. It's like, I want in a perfect draft, like any, basically no matter what it's going on in a draft, I want a double, if not triple tap from this group. whether, you know, if you want like receivers and you end up hitting a bunch of running backs and quarterbacks and tight ends early, you're like, oh, I'm kind of behind a receiver. Or you can start with three receivers out of the gate, not hit it at all and then come back here

and like just kind of whatever you want to do, keep coming back to this group. Jordan Addison is a rookie, but I think it's the perfect compliment to Justin Jefferson. Basically think that I don't know if there is one or two other teams in the league that would be better suited for his skill set than Minnesota.

Dotson is, again, perceived to be the two to Terry McLaurin. It's really more of a 1B. and that's Terry McLorna's toe injury. It's not crazy to think he could miss some time. John Dotson is so underrated. Traylon Burks, first round receiver last year. Good as a rookie when he played. Had an injury this offseason.

Like, he's already back from the injury. Like, Traylon Burks is basically the cheapest he's ever been at any point in his second season. Gabe Davis, post-type sleeper, burn people last year. Nothing about Gabe Davis's situation has changed. He's going 40 spots cheaper. And then Brandon Cooks, again, another boring dude. literally been a top 20 receiver every year he's been healthy.

Not counting last year when he quiet, quick, because the Texans were tanking. Now he's on the Cowboys, the best season he's had in years. And it's like, just boom, top 20 guy every year is great. You get like 40th. And I just, this group to me overall is there, the up, it's small misses and big hits. I just look at this and I'm like, I, it's hard to see barring health. These guys like being tremendously disappointing at costs, but it's very easy to see them being like outrageously helpful.

I agree with this a lot. I think so Dotson in particular we've been excited about. I think he's just an eye test guy that has like true potential to be like one of the best receivers in the NFL. You know what I mean? Like he, I think he looks like he's that good. And then Jordan Addison, just a savvy route runner, good, you know, great hands, playmaker, former Balitnikov winner. He can go deep. And he's playing in an offense that's probably going to pass a lot and has Justin Jefferson across from him.

So he's going to get single coverage all day long. So those two in particular, I'm excited about it. I am excited about Trailerks too, if he can stay healthy. And then Gabe Davis, like you mentioned it, he was injured from like week two on. And he was playing on one leg, essentially. And this is a piece of, this is an offense you want a piece of. So all those guys are very interesting to me.

You know what I like about this group, Hyphitz, is we always go back to how difficult it is to have a wide receiver with shitty quarterbacks. I have the worst fucking attorney, guys. Every guy on this list other than, I guess you could say Jahan Dotson, has a quarterback that you can actually have faith in. Brandon Cook says Dak Prescott. Addison has Kurt Cousins.

Traylon Burke says Tannehill, who is respectable. And obviously, Gabe Davis has Josh Allen. So other than Dodson, like, you're not going to have to be sweating out every pass from these quarterbacks to these. Miracles. Yeah. Yes. It's true. Honestly, you look at the receivers ahead of them are like we keep calling it the dread zone because there's the running back dead zone.

But now there's the receiver dread zone of all these very talented receivers with very questionable quarterbacks. like, you know, Michael Pittman with Anthony Richardson, and then, you know, Godwin and Mike Evans with Baker Mayfield and all these receivers, Drake London, who I love, but has Desmond Ritter. And then these are kind of like Justin Fields, yeah. These are like the up-and-coming receivers who are younger than them, but, except for cooks, but they have glasses on. And you're like, oh, my God, three weeks in, they take the glasses off.

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All right. Any other normally sleepers you got, Craig? Oh, for our YouTube TV high here? I had trouble deciding between which Baltimore wide receiver I like, but one of them is going to pop. Was Rashad Bateman or Zay Flowers is going to pop? And this new high-powered, spread it out, Todd Munkin, Baltimore offense. Zay Flowers is a rookie who came in from Boston College.

He's absolutely electric. He's been compared to Tyree Kill and has looked great in preseason. And then you have Rashad Bateman, who's in his third year. super injured. He had Liz Frank surgery in November. But when he's been on the field, he's also been fantastic. Both these guys, the Ravens drafted in the first round. And one of them will make an impact and will be very good. I just couldn't figure out which I want. So I'm almost like hedging by listing both here. But I think one will make an impact, a big one. Yeah. I like both of these two. I did a auction league draft a couple of weeks back and

landed Bateman for, I think, like a dollar or two dollars. People just aren't excited about him right now. Both these guys are going outside of 100th. Flowers is going 112 and Bateman's going 143rd. I mean, these guys are real late in drafts. Yeah, but both of these guys, first round picks. And like you said, Craig, they're going to be in an offense that looks completely different than what we're used to and what we've seen in Baltimore the last few years.

So there's more ceiling, I think, this year than ever before in Baltimore or certainly in the Lamar Jackson era, just because, you know, before. not only was Baltimore, like one of the most run-heavy teams in the NFL by far. In one of the most run-heavy teams sort of in like NFL history, or at least modern history. They were medieval. Yeah, they were also one of the slowest teams. Like they would run like fewer plays per second or whatever during games than almost any team. They would always go really slow.

They want to grind you down, you know, run the clock, run the ball. The clock keeps running, all that stuff. And so there's been a lot of talk this off season about how they might go way more up-tempo. So they're going to be running more plays. there's more opportunity for scoring, more opportunities for fantasy points. I don't know. I just think there's a chance this offense looks completely, completely different than what we've expected and what we've come to know.

And so that's why these guys are getting severely underrated. I think it's a little bit like object permanence where we don't know what, because we haven't seen this offense really yet, like we can't imagine it. And that's why subconsciously we're thinking of these players like they're in the old Ravens offense. Like flowers and Bateman going outside the top 100. I think that people just have a hard time envisioning multiple Ravens receivers, let alone one, actually having an impact. Right.

I think you're totally right, Craig. It's kind of like what Dic always says. At the end of the day, you're trying to pull trigger on someone you're going to pick and there's a rookie receiver. And you're like, well, but what if? And it's because you don't have the positive associations to balance it out. It's hard for your imagination to actually outweigh the negative questions. And so they just fall and fall kind of always end up being values. And it's the same with the Ravens are like, well, well, but I've seen.

And yeah, you start the Belmar. And people are like, oh, I've had a Ravens receiver before. It didn't work out. I'm good. Yeah. Yeah. It could work for us. All right.

Deeper sleepers, comatose. Yeah. These are like true late round flyers. If you're in a 10-team league, honestly, these are probably fringe draft picks, priority waivers, 12-team league. These are probably your last picks, depending on who we're talking about, obviously. But keep in mind, D-K, give us some late-round. flyers, like your last pick that you look back

on your draft and you're like, oh my God, what a steal. Like the guys that after week one or two, people might be like, oh, trying to like bid on. Sticking with the rookie theme here, there's at least three guys. There's actually probably more than this, but I singled out Marvin Mims of the Broncos, Jaden Reed of the Packers

and Jalen Hyatt of the Giants because number one, they're all like $1.00 players. End of your complete end of your draft. No one's going to be bidding with you on these guys or trying to get these guys too early in a snake draft. But they're rookie receivers. They're all relatively highly drafted and, you know, good pedigree in terms of, like, how they were scouted coming into the NFL. And they're all playing with what could be decently good quarterbacks. Obviously, you know, this isn't Patrick Mahomes or whatever. But like, you know, we got Russell Wilson, who's had a history of having elite, elite efficiency passing down the field. I think he pairs up perfectly with Marvin Mims. Marvin Mims has made his way up the depth chart over the offseason because they've had several guys get hurt and lost for the season. And so it's looking like Marvin Mims is legitimately the number two in Denver.

And so I think he's probably my favorite one in this group. But Jane Reed is another guy who's playing a ton of snaps with the ones. I liked him a lot coming out. He was a second round pick for them. You know, Jordan Love has been much more impressive than I kind of anticipated in the preseason. I think there's a chance this offense could be a little bit more efficient than we're expecting. And then, of course, with Jaylon Hyatt, every time he's on the field, I feel like he flashes in the preseason. You know, there was a replay going around from this last week.

where he smoked Suss Gardner on a double move downfield. As a Giants fan, I will admit, that was extraordinarily out of context. But it did look cool. What do you mean? But it was... What's the context that it was out of? The video is clipped to make it look like sauce gardeners one-on-one, but he has safety help.

So he's playing underneath him because he's... It's basically double-covered. So a couple things, yes, that's probably true, but also, number one, the way that they got him released from the line of scrimmage, they ran him across the field on motion. And that's, like, a big thing with him is, like, last year, Jamaheitt for Tennessee was basically always getting free release off the line of scrimandion. That was why he was able to get behind defenses like almost every single play. And win the Bolinikoff and be just like this massively productive player, there's some

worried going into the NFL that like he's going to get caught up on bigger, stronger corners. But they were moving him around the formation. That was that was helpful and helping him get. His double move, I think, was still really good regardless of what happened. But that's not just, that's not the only play. Like he's had a couple of plays where he got behind a defense in the preseason. and I don't know. I'm just kind of excited about that

and combine that with the fact that, you know, the Giants have a bunch of slot receiver, like middling slot receivers. I feel like there's not a lot of competition for him to move up the depth chart. So these are all just guys that I think maybe they're going to be a little frustrating

early on in the season, but as the season goes on, we've seen this year in and year out. Rookie receivers emerge as like very, very valuable starters in the second half of the season. So these are guys just keep in mind, stash them on your bench, whatever, or maybe pick them off off waivers if you want in a couple of weeks.

But to me, their guys definitely worth monitoring. I love all these guys. If I had to pick one, I love Jalen Hyatt, but if I had to pick one of these guys to leave on waivers to start the season, it would be probably Hyatt because I think the Giants have established guys. Like Darius Slate and Isaiah Hodgson is probably starting over him, plus Darren Waller. I think it's hard to see Hyatt being, I mean, honestly, like,

probably the poor man's Will Fuller to start the season of like touchdown our bus, kind of like a baby, Mike, like a malnourished Mike Evans, just like 40 points or Z. But the guys, look, Marvin Mims, we don't talk about this enough running up to the draft. Marvin Mims has the record for receiving yards in Texas high school. In Texas high school, I think, yeah. 2,500 yards as a senior, like 32 touchdowns is the record. It might be the national record.

I don't know for sure. Probably, yeah. I mean, if it's the Texas record. He feels like a guy where it's week six and he's like the wide receiver 16. And he's like, oh. And that's thing, Marvin Mince is going to start in week one. And then the other, Jonathan Mingo for the Panthers kind of think he's just going to start in week one. So I love all those receivers.

and also shamelessly plugged on it from People's Jones for the Browns too because he's not necessarily. Did you say People's Jones that time? People's Jones. Yeah. Did you see all those emails of everybody upset with you for calling him Donovan People Jones? Well, it was just, I was just, it's, you know why it's because I don't know. Like, the people Jones flows out of the tongue. Too many plurals.

I do know his name is. Yeah. I said it right the first couple times. I didn't want to say anything in the moment because I didn't want to be that guy who's like, you're actually pronouncing it wrong because I knew you knew. Yeah, he did. I was animated. Yeah.

I knew he knew. Say it really fast. The S slows you down. It is a bit of a tongue twister. Yeah. Donovan People's Jones. People's Jones. People's Joneses. It almost the attorneys generals. You know what the word sucks is thousands? 1000s to end the word N DTHS. It's impossible. Thousands. Yeah, you sound pretty dumb when you slow that down. It's just cruel for us to try to pronounce that.

Highfids, I like the People's Jones one though. I think he's a big, time sleeper because he's getting overshadowed by Elijah Moore. A starting wide receiver. All horny for Elijah Moore. And also he was pretty good last year. He was four inches taller, 40 pounds have Aaron starts for the Cleveland Browns and is one year older. He had like 800 yards last year or something.

Does Elijah Moore even have more than 800 in his career? Barely. I do remember having him at least on a dynasty team. But he was startable like down the stretch. He wasn't like going to be a super high ceiling. But he was like a flex guy that you could plug into your lineup and feel fine about it. You know, he was getting a solid amount of targets. Yeah, and especially if Watson makes a big jump this year.

This is another team that apparently or reportedly, everyone expects them to be kind of totally different schematically than they haven't in the past. There's a bunch of reports that they're going to be more spread out, more high tempo, more opportunity to pass and be less run heavy like they've been the last couple of years. While you're talking about guys that are kind of like startable, all my sleepers, my comatose late round flyers. There's so many of these, not even just late round. You might have to go a couple picks early in late rounds, but it doesn't matter. Just all these running backs, all the flexes with benefits, as D.K said. It's not a handcuff. Because a handcuff was like Alex Madison with Dalvin Cook,

where Alex Madison has zero value of Dalvin Cook plays. But if Dalvin Cook gets hurt, then Alex Madison's a top 10 running back. The flex with benefits is these are guys that actually you could probably start on a buy week and you could just put them at a flex and they're playable. They actually have value. But if someone also got hurt, then they'd be a top 10 running back. All these guys. Jailin Warren.

for the Steelers is like now the Kirkland brand Tony Pollard and Najee Harris is now the Kirkland brand Zeke Elliott Jalen Warren's an incredible value right now. Tank Biggsby for the Jaguars. Like maybe he has a goal line role plus more receiving. I don't know. Worst case you could cut him, but kind of think there's work on the Jaguars.

Tyler Algier for the Falcons, I think he's going to play way more than we've talked about. Like Bijan Robinson and Falcons are obviously going to play a lot. But Tyler Alger was the, had the most rushing yards ever for a rookie for Atlanta. I think he's going to actually get like a pretty healthy amount of work, even if Bijon's total. healthy all year. And then Jeff Wilson for the dolphins, again, just starting running back that

just maybe might just start in week one and is just out there available, like after top 150 picks. And then as much as you mentioned, Alex Madison, Craig, you bring this full circle. Ty Chandler for the Vikings. I don't know what the breakdown's going to be, but like he's just out there. He's free. I like Ty Chandler. Craig. Craig's like, fuck this. Fifth rounder, Ty Chandler, who like broke his foot last year. Yeah. What a great profile. Yeah, yeah, he had a good day, though. What, he finished dead last? Yeah, yeah.

What did he get zero touches last year? Yeah, yeah. Fine. Ignored Tyler L.Gero, a thousand-yard roster. He's too busy winning. Okay. Alexander Madison is too busy being the best running back in fantasy when he starts. The guy, I do think completely off the radar that's really interesting, Sean Tucker, he's the rookie running back at a Syracuse.

He's a plotter. I don't know the best way to describe him. I think that his kind of runner that old school coaches would love. He was a very highly ranked running back in this year's draft. And then they discovered in the pre-draft process, he had a heart condition. So he actually went undrafted. Then the Bucks actually went out of their way and gave him, like, one of the largest signing bonuses ever for undrafted free agent. He made the roster.

It's kind of going to be him and Rashad White. And so Sean Tucker, I think, totally can see him kind of leading our, like, waiver ad show for week one. So Sean Tucker is a guy that keep a name out, especially if you're in like a 12, 14 team league. That's deep, man. I feel like Sean Tucker, more than anybody we've discussed on this entire off season is the, is the, is the, least known player that we've talked about. Sean Tucker is, that's comatose.

That's like sleeping beauty. I think he's got, he's, he's an interesting one. He's got some explosiveness. He's got some explosive traits. And he, in theory,

could factor into the, to the passing game. So yeah, there's some, there's some things to like there. You know, I wasn't like super high on him necessarily. And then the,

the condition that made him go undrafted came up. But there's definitely a lot of people in like the dynasty world that really like him. So he's definitely one to watch. Also, A great fantasy pun team name if you draft Sean Tucker. Sean Tucker Must Die.

Anybody out there seen John Tucker Must Die, the movie? Oh, my gosh. That's a old, that's way back. Oh, it's a classic. John Tucker Must Die, great early aughts movie. Hi, but you seen it? I don't think I saw John Tucker Must Die. Wow.

Okay. All right. Well, check it out. I've heard of it, Craig. I know you're talking about it. Also, it's kind of fucked up considering his heart condition. But, you know, it's all right.

Well, you know, humor and tragedy. I don't know. My comatose guy here is a tight end. This is for all the people who, if you're drafting Kyle Pitts or somebody like that and you want to back up just in case somebody who might pop late. Joanne Johnson of the Saints,

you can get him, he's literally going undrafted. He's going 175 in drafts right now. He's an undrafted free agent out of Oregon. This is his third year. This is his fourth year. He was signed by the Saints. He's a converted wide receiver. He had seven touchdowns last year.

third on the Saints and Targets and targets last year, Joanne Johnson. He's got a great rapport with Derek Carr and camp. Derek Carr, I know this is stupid and means nothing. And all these players just say this bullshit on when they're getting interviewed. But he recommended drafting Joanne Johnson. If you have a fantasy football team, you need a tight end. I just think this offense is actually going to be better than people think.

They have a really easy schedule. And Joanne Johnson could be the Red Zone target for the Saints this year. And if you want to get a guy outside of the top one, 50 who could catch 7, 8, 9, dare I say 10 touchdowns? John Johnson is a fantastic $1 pick. Dare I say? Craig, I think you missed it when we did the show without you earlier. We were talking about this because I think it was either Joanne Johnson or Derek Carr was saying.

Called him a long lost brother. We're like, I'm in. This is like the new Cooper Cup having breakfast with Matt Stafford narrative that we love. Well, yeah. And Derek Carr was talking to his brother, David Carr, I believe, and told David Carr to draft John. That's the third brother. It's actually David, Derek, and Jawan.

It's like me, Shreger, and Sean McVeigh. Three brothers. I will say, to back Craig, this isn't been a guy that I've been really into since last year. He's one of those like, check the tape guys who I think he's actually really good, too.

There's just a lot of like moving pieces because the Saints have literally three tight ends that we have to fucking think about. Yeah, they have Jason Hill, they have Foster Moreau. And then can we talk about how Jimmy Graham is still playing football and didn't play last year. And it's like, you know what?

I'm 36. Let's come back. And now he's on the Saints. He reportedly had like a seizure and wandered into traffic, which is, you know, very scary, clearly. And then this next game, this past weekend, he had like a ridiculously sick catch up the seam. And then he caught a touchdown on like a classic Jimmy Graham boxout in the end zone. I'm like, we got to worry about four tight ends now.

I love John Johnson. He's very good. But also they have four tight ends. So I don't know, but I'm into it. Seven touchdowns last year is not nothing. Not nothing. Every year we delude ourselves into thinking there will be some late rounds, sleeper tight end that will just make your team.

And those people are delusional. However, this year it could work for us. Juan Johnson, Donald Kincaid rookie tedding for the bills, Sam LaPorteur, rookie tenant for the Lions, Luke Muskrave rookie tenter for the Packers. You know what? Rookie tight ends historically, famously never work. But you know what?

This year it'll work for us, obviously. It will. Gerald Everett for the chart, the L-A team, Cheryl DeVos for the Rams. If you do wait on tight end, you're like, you know what? I don't really want to get Pat Friarmooth in the ninth round. Then these are your guys.

What could go wrong? I love all three of those guys. Cincade, Leporter, Musgrave. Just build your whole team out of rookie tight ends. The reason why rookie tight ends don't pop is because they don't play. And the difference this year is Sam LaPorte, Luke Musgrave and Dahl and Kincade are playing a lot in preseason. They've been playing 80, 90% of snaps.

We have to make a pack, though, which is, this was a historically great tight end class. And if these good rookie tight ends aren't good, that we can never do this ever again. Get the momentum tattoo. It'll be a memento tattoo at the end of the season. Yeah. This year it's going to be different.

All right, as long as we make a blood packed here. Okay. Those are our sleepers. Time for some emails? Emails. Sorry, that was weird. Why did I say it like that? We're keeping that out of.

You went extra nasally. Incredible. Emails. It's been smoky here, so I've kind of like a thing, you know, like a nasal thing going on. Are you blaming your weird voice on wildfires? I'm blaming my weird voice on, yeah, on climate change. Climate change. Got it.

Yeah. It's not my fault. It's the boomers. All right. We got an email. Danny. Those boomers out there driving hummers. Sorry.

It's not funny. This is more gallows humor. Well, it's kind of fun. What are you going to do? Like, not laugh, but the world that day? What are we going to do? Sure. We laugh so we don't cry.

Recycle? All right. Danny and DK were talking about Bon Jovi. a few shows ago. I had a room in college whose girlfriend thought the lyrics to the song, Living on a Prayer, were actually living on bread. And she thought it was a song about a family going through hard times.

How could you confuse that? I don't, there's a lot of weird lyric things that people get, but like that one, living on a, I don't know. Living on a bread. I don't know how you missed the, I don't know. Living on a bread. Heifitz, I mentioned to you when I was

giving Bon Jovi a shout out that my buddy Logan is going to make fun of me for liking Bon Jovi and I confirmed with him. He in fact loves Bon Jovi, which makes me so much happier. Do people not like Bon Jovi? That's what I said. No, I think it's more just like the

impression that they're just like a weird hair band from like... Is this about Bon Jovi or is this about your relationship with your friend Logan who makes fun of all your music? I mean, shit. You just hit me deep, cut me deep there. Sounds like you and Logan got some stuff to work with him. What's going on?

Listen, this is what he texts me. We do all have those friends, though, who bully us. Craig, my friend, Matt, who lives in Los Angeles, is, like, too cool for the big booty remixes. And you always like, oh, yeah, like, listen to two friends. I'm like, you know what, man, I can't always just cue an hour of music on a moment's notice. Like, sometimes... Get over yourself, Matt. I know.

Unbelievable. Well, Logan, my friend, he texted me. He said, John Bon Jovi has three non-profit restaurants where he can just eat for free. People can just eat for free. They don't have any money. He regularly works in the dish pit. His songs generally rip and have held up infinitely better than the majority of 80s rock contemporaries. Danny is wrong.

He texted to me. I feel like I don't believe any of those things. Do we just two-truths one lie? First of all, there's no. Bon Jovi's definitely making money off those restaurants. I don't know how, but he is. And secondly, he only works in the dish pit when there's like a PR show there. Netflix is shooting a show about him.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Wow. So cynical, Craig. Kind of like how the president shows up to a hurricane and just like moves like five boxes out of a truck and then leaves. Yeah, there's this new restaurant in L.A. called Netflix Bites. Netflix opened their own restaurant and they serve food from Netflix's food shows. Like celebrity chefs come in and cook the meals from their shows and serve it at the restaurant. And they just did like a big profile of it. And while the, you know, the person covering the story was there, Ted Sarandoz happened to be there making a pizza.

And they're all like, oh, wow. Oh, Ted Sarandos loves cooking, loves pizza. it's like, yeah. What a coincidence. He happened to be there. Email us at Ringer Fantasy Football at gmail.com. If you have other one weird lyric things, but not like, I don't know what Rock the Casma meant. Like really like how did you come up with that lyric?

Or just people in weird photo ops that you don't believe. This is really a low-stakes conspiracy. Bon Jovi's son is engaged to Millie Bobby Brown. Really? K.K., what does that mean to you? I know who that actress is Okay Okay

She was in Stranger Things Yeah Rizzed up by Bon Jovi Jr. Is Stranger Things still going on? Is still a thing? Yeah, there's one more season coming out I told you this before in the past Craig But the main, the kid,

The cool kid from Stranger Things reminds me of you I don't remember his name in the show The guy that was Steve to have, yeah, Steve fucking Steve I don't know who's the best things. What's funny is he like becomes less cool throughout the show and you kind of realize he's

not that cool and he's just kind of like a normal work. Yeah, that's your arc on this show. That's fine. I feel like you can't, there's a limit. There's a ceiling to how cool you can be if you host a fantasy. Exactly. Hard, you take that back.

How dare you, sir? Don't you so cool when you tell people you have a podcast? No. I wonder if that will ever sound cool. Oh, God. No. You tell me, we have a podcast. No.

I don't think so either. I'm trying to say negative connotation. Yeah. It's someone, it'll have to, we'll have to like change the name and like rebrand it because it'll be so, like it's, you know the meme where the guy's like explaining to something to the girl in the,

in the club and she's just like, oh my fucking God stop talking. It's like radio, but it's on demand. You can listen to whoever you want. No, no. I know most people think they have podcasts, but ours actually has a lot of.

listeners. Because you basically have to say I have a podcast, but actually a successful one. The connotation, the connotation when I tell this to Jackie's family members, it's not good. Any uncles that I meet of Jackie, whenever I say I have a podcast, they, the implicit, it's implied. They're like, oh, okay, so what do you do for money? I know. I was going to say, do you do that full time? That's like probably the most common response I get.

You do that full time. Also, like, it's always maligned in media. Like, there hasn't been a TV show or movie yet where, like, the person whose job is a podcast house is cool. I just started watching Only Murders in the building. And it's just about making a podcast. Like, that movie with Jonah Hill, which I have a comedy on Netflix. Like, he's a, he's like a radio podcast guy and it's, like kind of lame. And then Eddie Murphy thinks it's lame.

And then that comedy bros, uh, uh, uh, bill. Eichner is a podcast host and it's just like it's never painted in a flattering life. You know what one's good? The Sex and the City reboot. The Sex in the City reboot. She does, obviously, Sex and it's obviously everyone knows this, but if you don't,

you're not culture enough. Sex and the City was her column that she wrote and now in the reboot, Sex and the City is the podcast and she does it with Bobby Lee who's, uh, and it's fun. It's a fun. It's actually like the coolest podcasting probably Portuguese. That's cool to be a podcaster.

Let's change this. Characters who did radio on TV were cool. Like, Frazier, like, hosted a radio show. And that was, like, cool. And I don't think podcasts for some reason, they didn't make the transition. Oh, my God. Craig, when I was a little kid, I thought radio DJ was the coolest job in the world. Yeah, radio is cool.

And that's the ceiling on your life is a set. But, you know. Maybe it's the fact that literally anyone can have a podcast, and that kind of just ruined it for the actual. Maybe. Maybe the fact there's like 300,000. a new podcast every year. Yeah.

Might be something like that. We got an email from Ben. Benjamin. I'm talking about how Archer, the TV show. I think the important context to this is that an archer, the name, it's like about the fake CIA. It's basically Lucille Bluth runs the fake CIA. And it's called the International Secret Intelligence Service, which is ISIS. Right.

And then, you know, I said, Ben writes, I'm a massive fan of the show. and I set up my Wi-Fi name in my apartment as ISIS HQ. Holy shit. To Archer. And then, you know, ISIS happens. And he says, it took me way too long to change my Wi-Fi name because I didn't think about changing it. Obviously, and then ISIS became a terrorist organization. I really dread to think about what my neighbors thought for months.

and months and months as my Wi-Fi was named Isis H.Q. I changed it to Hangle McRinkleberry after the Key & Peel sketch. Yeah. There's just something funny about the idea of the real ISIS having a Wi-Fi password which is name actually just being ISIS HQ.

That's their legitimate network. Craig. The reason like Craig, if you watch like Zero Dark 30, like the whole basis of the movie is like the ISIS is so offline. They just use Curry and everything, that's how they caught. Different organizations, for sure.

Imagine you're like, you're like on the corner of some building and you like pull out your phone. It's like, huh, ISIS HQ is trying to connect to me on Wi-Fi. You just look up at the building. You're like, huh. No password. One of the ones next to me was FBI surveillance van. That was the name of someone's Wi-Fi name.

This was the thing for like a hot minute where it was like funny to name your Wi-Fi like network, something funny. Like, Bob, I know you're stealing my internet. Yeah. It's kind of like you get the creativity used to have with the aerial screen name, or away messages. Emails at ringer fantasy football at Gmail.com. Good Wi-Fi names that people have. Boner Jams 96.

Funny fantasy football team names and funny Wi-Fi. I don't think that'll ever go away. That's always funny. It's like a fart joke. You know, it'll always hit. All right. We should probably get out of here. Thank you, D.K.

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Thank you, Lorne. Lauren. Thank you, L.L. Cool, J. I never had a relationship with L.L. Cool J. Before my time, completely missed it. I got to be honest.

I have the top of my head. I don't think I can name an LL.L. Cool J.'s song. Oh, come on. I'm going to knock you out. That's like his most famous song. I think you've heard that before. Also, L.L. Cool J. I feel like he's actually in a lot of, like, the music, obviously is an actress.

Yeah, he's like in a long running, like an FBI show. I can't even remember what it's called. N-C-I-S-L-A? NCIS, yeah. You've heard Mom and said I knock you out. I'm not, yeah, I'm not denying I haven't heard of the songs. I just couldn't name any of them. Doing it well, doing it and doing it and doing it well. Around the Way, girls, very famous. Hi, bitch. Do you know what L.L. stands for?

Ladies Love Cool J. Yeah. Pretty, pretty dumb name. This name is Ladies Love Cool. James. Really? I feel like it worked. I mean, L.L. Cool J is good. But the etymology of his name is pretty sad. All right. If the point of a rap name fundamentally is to make you a successful rapper. It's like a sixth grader thought of this. I kind of just have never understood most rap names. Like I feel like a lot of rappers are successful despite their lame names.

That's like the opposite of the fantasy football thing where if you have a boring name, you suck. Yeah, I'm just like LL Cool J? Who's a rapper you think succeeded despite their day? Is it kind of like post Malone? And you're like, Like, I don't know, Lil Baby? I just like, is Lil Baby a cool name? I don't really understand that. It's ironic. I don't know.

Is Lil Uzi-Vert a cool name? I think that's kind of cool. I don't know. I just think we think they're cool because they're already cool. Like, there's no other, we don't know it any other way. Like, if I was telling you guys that I was going to become a rapper and you were like, cool, like, what's your name? And I was like, I think I'm going to go with Snoop Dog. Would you be like, that's such a cool name?

I don't know. I was thinking the same thing about the Beastie Boys. Like the Beastie Boys, objectively, it's like a pretty stupid name for like a band or a rap group or whatever. The Beastie Boys. I mean, most bad names are pretty stupid. Craig, all bad names are stupid. I don't know. I just like what your name is your name.

Like Kendrick Lamar, that's just like, I like that. I think it's actually harder after the internet. I think the internet made. We're out of names. Yeah, it's hard now. Panic at the disco. Some people have nailed it still, right? Like Andre 3000, cool name.

I mean, look, we're really throwing stones from a glass house here. Our first name for this podcast was the Tennessee football show. Right. Which Google thought was a- Auto-Corrects to. Are you trying to find fantasy football? Indefensible name of a show. So, I mean, yeah.

Who are we to talk? We didn't really get it right at the first try either. Chance the rapper. Chance, comma. The rapper. What are you? Hi. I don't know.

I'm Chance. The rapper. Maybe it's all ironic. I don't know. Yeah. But the flip side is acid rap as an album name. Age is like fine wine. Great name.

Nas. Cool name. It's true. Beastie Boys. What is that? Like this is the Beastie Boys is like the Backstreet Boys were taken so they weren't Beastie Boys. Backstreet Boys, by the way, terrible name.

What are we doing here? Well, the lyrics to the song doesn't make sense. You ever, like, sung the Backstreet Boys songs out loud? They were written by Max Martin, who had, like, half English. Yeah, they were written in, like, Swedish, I believe. Yeah. And so when they were translated to English, they don't make any sense. I want to do it prompt of what is the worst named band of all time.

Yeah, all right. Email us at Ring and Fantasy Football at Chimels.com. The worst named band. Backstreet Boys, maybe. Goodbye, everyone. Must be 21 plus and present in select states. Fandul is offering online sports wagering in Kansas under an agreement with Kansas Star Casino LLC.

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